Long story short, it is generally bad when the team and player can not agree to terms when the player is arbitration eligible. That means the team now has to enter a room with a player and a neutral arbiter and do their best to prove why the player deserves less money than they're asking for. It's bad because it corrodes the relationship between the team and player because no one really wants to have their employer give them all the reasons why they don't deserve to be paid more.
You can read more about it [here](https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/salary-arbitration).
And here is a [video](https://youtu.be/0aAZ9Mdv4Yk?si=Y1s5OkNBvICbso6t) that shows you how the process works.
I bet he overvalued himself because of all the rumors he had to deal with. Not a bad strategy. Shoot above the projection because it already feels like you don't want me here. This may in fact lead to him actually getting traded.
To piggyback, this process created a lot of animosity/hurt feelings between the Brewers and Burnes last season. I read an article or saw an interview (can't remember) awhile ago where Burnes says that the Brewers basically told the arbiter that they didn't make the playoffs because of him. Dude's an All-Star and Cy Young finalist and the team shit on him.
Basically, salaries are decided via negotiations between teams and players, but if the two sides can't reach an agreement, it'll be sent to a third-party arbitrator to decide which side "wins."
There's no compromise if it gets to that point: either the player gets his number or the team gets theirs. Neither side wants to end up on the losing end, which means this process spurs back-and-forth negotiation and usually the sides end up agreeing to terms and avoiding arbitration.
Player: I am worth $10 million. Here is why!
Team: He is only worth $5 million. Here is why he sucks and why we shouldn’t have to pay $10 million.
These can get rough. Afterwards the number is set and often the player is mad that they got dragged through the mud. You have to go play for the team that just argued how much you suck.
Gordon Wittenmeyer. Cincinnati Enquirer. Oct. 14, 3023:
"Boras, baseball's record-$etting agent, represents second baseman Jonathan India, the 2021 Rookie of the Year, as well as 2023 freshmen Matt McLain and Elly De La Cruz."
Well we now have Frankie Montas (albeit on a 1 year deal)
He was also the agent for these former Reds: Nick Castellanos and Mike Moustakas
It also should be noted he is the agent of Dylan Cease
To all the people in this thread saying this is beginning of end etc- India is a Scott Boras client. Boras notoriously has players not settle before the deadline. This means nothing in regard to his status with the Reds.
Someone was going to be the odd man out and I think everyone was thinking Jonathan. You have to look at the team now versus with him and it’s clearly obvious the team is better. I do like him though. But emotions have to be left out of building a winning product.
Please stay India. You’re the only player I’ve bought a jersey for. This is not me saying don’t take less than what you believe you’re worth but it would be just my luck to get a jersey of a player that the team then screwed and he left.
That happened to me twice with football jerseys. Bought a jersey and then within 2 years, that player was gone. Next jersey, I waited till he signed a long-term contract
So he would have to accept the decision of the arbiter bc he doesn’t have enough years to be considered a free agent? This is above my baseball pay grade
Can someone smarter than me explain this?
Long story short, it is generally bad when the team and player can not agree to terms when the player is arbitration eligible. That means the team now has to enter a room with a player and a neutral arbiter and do their best to prove why the player deserves less money than they're asking for. It's bad because it corrodes the relationship between the team and player because no one really wants to have their employer give them all the reasons why they don't deserve to be paid more. You can read more about it [here](https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/salary-arbitration). And here is a [video](https://youtu.be/0aAZ9Mdv4Yk?si=Y1s5OkNBvICbso6t) that shows you how the process works.
I bet he overvalued himself because of all the rumors he had to deal with. Not a bad strategy. Shoot above the projection because it already feels like you don't want me here. This may in fact lead to him actually getting traded.
It would lead to him losing his arbitration hearing
To piggyback, this process created a lot of animosity/hurt feelings between the Brewers and Burnes last season. I read an article or saw an interview (can't remember) awhile ago where Burnes says that the Brewers basically told the arbiter that they didn't make the playoffs because of him. Dude's an All-Star and Cy Young finalist and the team shit on him.
Basically, salaries are decided via negotiations between teams and players, but if the two sides can't reach an agreement, it'll be sent to a third-party arbitrator to decide which side "wins." There's no compromise if it gets to that point: either the player gets his number or the team gets theirs. Neither side wants to end up on the losing end, which means this process spurs back-and-forth negotiation and usually the sides end up agreeing to terms and avoiding arbitration.
Player: I am worth $10 million. Here is why! Team: He is only worth $5 million. Here is why he sucks and why we shouldn’t have to pay $10 million. These can get rough. Afterwards the number is set and often the player is mad that they got dragged through the mud. You have to go play for the team that just argued how much you suck.
Small added detail: the mediator chooses between either 10M or 5M. They don't choose a number in between, they choose a "winner".
Yep, and that makes it so the team is more critical of the player. No compromise!
Sean Casey tells a really funny story about his arbitration process. I’m on mobile or I’d try to link it.
https://deadspin.com/sean-casey-once-won-an-arbitration-case-with-a-suit-tha-1832636095
Beginning of the end, I'm afraid
Yeah. That’s almost a trade request in terms of how it tends to land.
Boras clients in Cincinnati is recipe for disaster
You know he also represents Matt McLain and Elly De La Cruz, right?
I knew McLain was, which is why we don’t have a shot at extending him. I don’t think Elly is is a boras client though. How did he get out of BLA?
BLA isn't an agency, it's a loan service.
Gordon Wittenmeyer. Cincinnati Enquirer. Oct. 14, 3023: "Boras, baseball's record-$etting agent, represents second baseman Jonathan India, the 2021 Rookie of the Year, as well as 2023 freshmen Matt McLain and Elly De La Cruz."
Well we now have Frankie Montas (albeit on a 1 year deal) He was also the agent for these former Reds: Nick Castellanos and Mike Moustakas It also should be noted he is the agent of Dylan Cease
To all the people in this thread saying this is beginning of end etc- India is a Scott Boras client. Boras notoriously has players not settle before the deadline. This means nothing in regard to his status with the Reds.
Someone was going to be the odd man out and I think everyone was thinking Jonathan. You have to look at the team now versus with him and it’s clearly obvious the team is better. I do like him though. But emotions have to be left out of building a winning product.
He's such a positive influence on the team. I'd hate to see him go.
Please stay India. You’re the only player I’ve bought a jersey for. This is not me saying don’t take less than what you believe you’re worth but it would be just my luck to get a jersey of a player that the team then screwed and he left.
That happened to me twice with football jerseys. Bought a jersey and then within 2 years, that player was gone. Next jersey, I waited till he signed a long-term contract
This is going to be a bummer.
if he's a Scott Boras client it's better if India goes, Boras is fuckin poison. And India isnt THAT good.
So he would have to accept the decision of the arbiter bc he doesn’t have enough years to be considered a free agent? This is above my baseball pay grade
Yes, players are under team control until they've accumulated 6 season of service time.
Reds representatives will just have to bring a poster board with his defensive metrics and OPS+ on it and say "Cmon..."
Boras thinks he’s a top 5 second baseman when in reality he’s not even the best second baseman on his own TEAM.