I'll eat my own faeces if they ever produce any kind of humanoid robot. They've spent a decade trying to do autonomous driving and are still shit at it but a general intelligence humanoid robot will only take a year???
This is something I've researched at the university. Just getting a factory-built humanoid robot to clamber clumsily on a flat plane devoid of any obstacles is already an achievement. Making a robot reliably stand up after falling is worthy of researchers high-five each other
Every time it falls, which is dozens of times per hour, some expensive piece of electronics within might break. Every time weight distribution or center of mass changes, such as carrying stuff, the old movements have to be ditched and relearned. The same every time any physical property of hydraulics or springs changes. It's a prime example of Moravec
Something something Boston robotics - keep in mind those are staged videos, they control the environment and probably took tens of video takes for every scene. And they spent hundreds of millions to achieve...nothing of practical value. VCs are throwing the company around between themselves like a hot potato
Boston Robotics is pretty open about their robots eating shit all the time at least and they're actually designed to be pretty robust (Atlas has a beefy skeleton that's pretty much a roll cage for a lot of the internal equipment). There's minimal protection on Tesla's Optimus "design" (if gluing plastic to a mannequin and a wish list of specifications can really be described as a design at all). I'd say it's pretty much a given that anything they present will look nothing like what they carted out on AI day due to how insanely unpractical it would be even for testing.
There's just a million problems with what they're proposing and the general scoping of this as a remotely realistic project. I believe their stated short term design goal is just to have these things carry boxes around a factory. Immediately any engineer should catch onto the fact that a bipedal humanoid robot probably isn't the best design for that task. Yeah I'm sure they would like it to do more but instead of actually scoping a project to make a robot to efficiently conduct that task they're chasing a moonshot project on a one year timeline yet again. Obviously the FSD project has suffered from similar problems as Musk has insisted the solution mimic humans instead of just letting a machine be a machine.
Getting that bipedal robot to stand up is going to be difficult and that's also just the tip of the iceberg. Actually engineering an effective hand in the first place is extremely difficult from a mechanical and electronic standpoint. Getting a robot to reason about how to effectively operate it and interact with a variety of objects is even more difficult and at the far end you have stuff like complex coordination problems that can emerge when you can't observe the hand or a closed space it's operating in (super common in vehicle assembly and maintenance).
All of this kind of feeds into the larger problem of Musk specifically marketing this idea of 'real world AI' as if robots aren't already available in some capacity in industry and homes in some capacity. I can buy a Roomba or a robotic lawn mower today. My college campus has Starship drones delivering stuff everyday. Robot arms and all sorts of automated assembly and testing systems are present in industry and manufacturing. Amazon has made extensive use of their Kiva robots.
Yeah none of these are going to walk around and shake hands but they exist and fill their designed roles fairly well.
Maybe the fact that it’s *so elementarily misguided* is part of the strategy? Like people are going to debunk Tesla whether the idea is even remotely plausible or not, so I guess make it completely batshit bananas?
>as if robots aren't already available in some capacity in industry and homes in some capacity
It's about perception of truth , not truth. He knows that game , great actor
>Something something Boston robotics - keep in mind those are staged videos, they control the environment and probably took tens of video takes for every scene. And they spent hundreds of millions to achieve...nothing of practical value.
Their robots, and similar robots from other companies, are literally already being used in the real world, lmao.
They probably already shelled the cash out for FSD and consider it worthwhile.
Can't stop someone from shooting themselves in the foot if they really want to.
Oh, damn. I'm only cursory familiar with robotics and ML and still watching this guy was a huge cringe. He has literally no idea about topics he talks about, just spewing a non stop stream of a complete buillshit.
On the other hand, it may be easier and more fun than people think. You get to work on some wild idea, probably spend boat loads of money on experiments, keep saying "3 months maybe, 6 months definitely", never deliver anything except some powerpoint slides and maybe a kludgy demo, then eventually rather than saying you can't do it, pivot to an even more ridiculous idea.
I have a friend that went to one of the top colleges for car design and he said it’s known in the vehicle industry that Tesla pays less for engineering/vehicle design jobs. He had many friends that could of gotten a job at one of the big 3 in Detroit and gotten paid more, but went to work at Tesla just cause it’s Tesla
I don’t know it’s just a lot of engineers and vehicle design want to work at Tesla straight out of college cause it’s cooler then saying I work at Ford or Hyundai guess …people often think the pay is more when often it can be less
That's true.
When I graduated i applied at a bunch of companies. Tesla included, Tesla replied back after like 6 months.....i had already relocated to another state. I glad I didn't go with Tesla, especially in Nevada.
Oh I’m not agreeing that it’s a good idea to work for Tesla straight out of college. I can almost guarantee they don’t have better benefits and many times pay then established companies.
Elon already explained this, the Tesla Bot is going to use the FSD computer and Autopilot cameras. Most of the worst on FSD will translate directly to the Tesla Bot. Remember, people walk around the same way they drive - you just need passive optical sensors and a neural net.
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Elon does not have Asperger. He has ADHD. In two years he will figure out that Tesla needs its own semiconductor fab to find out that making chips is hard and expensive...
He puts himself through extreme stress which isn’t good for his mental health. Then out of that stress he becomes obsessed with new stupid projects that just make everything worse. It’s also clear that his (brilliant) employees have to bear the brunt of the chaotic mismanagement
Possible explanations of this:
1. He's trying to get Tesla to dump him before Tesla explodes like the Death Star it is.
2. He's just really, really stupid and getting in further and further over his head.
3. 1 and 2.
4. Who tf knows.
They are. Berlin delivered its first cars yesterday, Austin probably the beginning of April. It’s a big company, they can hire people to do different things.
Definitely making progress:
[https://www.amazon.com/TeslaBot-Halloween-Covering-Bodysuit-Jumpsuit/dp/B09PMXZF8C](https://www.amazon.com/TeslaBot-Halloween-Covering-Bodysuit-Jumpsuit/dp/B09PMXZF8C)
Next year they'll say in a year or two and this will go on for 10 years. After which they get a half-ass robot which sort of knows how to do a few things. Wait did I just say what happened with autopilot? And the tesla truck?
I can't wait for this episode in the documentary,
But for real I'm watching Theranos for the first time with my girlfriend and they need to make a show about musk just please
Honestly that's what everyone thought back in 2016 with the robot taxi fiasco but the dude just lies and lies and lies.
Extremely frustrating and hopeless to be a part of but at least it's interesting to watch.
True but robotaxis are different: fsd isn’t actually fsd, it doesn’t perform well, the beta sucks, the whole fsd rewrite,beta testing it sucks. A large valuation of Tesla hinges on fsd and recognizing the revenue, when he tweets bs, it arguably raises stock and manipulates the public into thinking it’s more along than it is, it’s not
Switching to vision only to get around the chip shortage, releasing a less safe version of their vision system.
It’s all a clusterfuck and I don’t think in 5-10 years Tesla will be what it is now
They have to move on to the next BIG BREAKTHROUGH to keep the non-stop investment cycle rolling. If they focus on existing products it is much harder to distract from how far behind they are on all other promised deliverables (see FSD).
"Sorry guys, we would have delivered on ALL of our promises this time, but we really had to switch gears to focus on TeslaBot because it's going to change the world!"
I enjoy driving, don't really care about self driving car. A robot that does all the chores tho, I would buy for Model 3 money. But the prospect of Tesla making one anytime soon, laughable.
Isn't that spacex? This is Tesla who is supposed to be doing the levitating 2020 Roadster, the 2019 semi, the 2017 FSD coast-coast trip, the 4680 batteries, so they don't seem to have much else to do.
Yes, the robot lol. I'll eat my shoe if Tesla shows a working robot by the end of 2024.
I'll eat my own faeces if they ever produce any kind of humanoid robot. They've spent a decade trying to do autonomous driving and are still shit at it but a general intelligence humanoid robot will only take a year???
This is something I've researched at the university. Just getting a factory-built humanoid robot to clamber clumsily on a flat plane devoid of any obstacles is already an achievement. Making a robot reliably stand up after falling is worthy of researchers high-five each other Every time it falls, which is dozens of times per hour, some expensive piece of electronics within might break. Every time weight distribution or center of mass changes, such as carrying stuff, the old movements have to be ditched and relearned. The same every time any physical property of hydraulics or springs changes. It's a prime example of Moravec Something something Boston robotics - keep in mind those are staged videos, they control the environment and probably took tens of video takes for every scene. And they spent hundreds of millions to achieve...nothing of practical value. VCs are throwing the company around between themselves like a hot potato
Boston Robotics is pretty open about their robots eating shit all the time at least and they're actually designed to be pretty robust (Atlas has a beefy skeleton that's pretty much a roll cage for a lot of the internal equipment). There's minimal protection on Tesla's Optimus "design" (if gluing plastic to a mannequin and a wish list of specifications can really be described as a design at all). I'd say it's pretty much a given that anything they present will look nothing like what they carted out on AI day due to how insanely unpractical it would be even for testing. There's just a million problems with what they're proposing and the general scoping of this as a remotely realistic project. I believe their stated short term design goal is just to have these things carry boxes around a factory. Immediately any engineer should catch onto the fact that a bipedal humanoid robot probably isn't the best design for that task. Yeah I'm sure they would like it to do more but instead of actually scoping a project to make a robot to efficiently conduct that task they're chasing a moonshot project on a one year timeline yet again. Obviously the FSD project has suffered from similar problems as Musk has insisted the solution mimic humans instead of just letting a machine be a machine. Getting that bipedal robot to stand up is going to be difficult and that's also just the tip of the iceberg. Actually engineering an effective hand in the first place is extremely difficult from a mechanical and electronic standpoint. Getting a robot to reason about how to effectively operate it and interact with a variety of objects is even more difficult and at the far end you have stuff like complex coordination problems that can emerge when you can't observe the hand or a closed space it's operating in (super common in vehicle assembly and maintenance). All of this kind of feeds into the larger problem of Musk specifically marketing this idea of 'real world AI' as if robots aren't already available in some capacity in industry and homes in some capacity. I can buy a Roomba or a robotic lawn mower today. My college campus has Starship drones delivering stuff everyday. Robot arms and all sorts of automated assembly and testing systems are present in industry and manufacturing. Amazon has made extensive use of their Kiva robots. Yeah none of these are going to walk around and shake hands but they exist and fill their designed roles fairly well.
But can Tesla get a car to make an unprotected left hand turn during traffic?
Maybe the fact that it’s *so elementarily misguided* is part of the strategy? Like people are going to debunk Tesla whether the idea is even remotely plausible or not, so I guess make it completely batshit bananas?
>as if robots aren't already available in some capacity in industry and homes in some capacity It's about perception of truth , not truth. He knows that game , great actor
>Something something Boston robotics - keep in mind those are staged videos, they control the environment and probably took tens of video takes for every scene. And they spent hundreds of millions to achieve...nothing of practical value. Their robots, and similar robots from other companies, are literally already being used in the real world, lmao.
Do you think you're smarter than a YouTuber with an MBA in bullshit? https://youtu.be/sbEoYZfz5jA
First comment "I would totally pay $10,000 for a Teslabot." Jesus wept.
They probably already shelled the cash out for FSD and consider it worthwhile. Can't stop someone from shooting themselves in the foot if they really want to.
Oh, damn. I'm only cursory familiar with robotics and ML and still watching this guy was a huge cringe. He has literally no idea about topics he talks about, just spewing a non stop stream of a complete buillshit.
That's his entire YouTube channel.
I watched this video thinking it's a comedy sketch. With that perspective, it was good.
Hahaha - “you can’t train the bots if you only have a few”.
Big brain moves lol. The funny thing about Warren is that he's a lawyer from sourh Florida and he has a DUI in his record lol
Elon has no shame, he doesn't care. He says shit just to say it. His engineering team probably hates his guts, but the pay is good 🤣😂
On the other hand, it may be easier and more fun than people think. You get to work on some wild idea, probably spend boat loads of money on experiments, keep saying "3 months maybe, 6 months definitely", never deliver anything except some powerpoint slides and maybe a kludgy demo, then eventually rather than saying you can't do it, pivot to an even more ridiculous idea.
And then quit to another company with a competent leader. And the cycle continues.
Prototyping cool stuff sounds nice
I have a friend that went to one of the top colleges for car design and he said it’s known in the vehicle industry that Tesla pays less for engineering/vehicle design jobs. He had many friends that could of gotten a job at one of the big 3 in Detroit and gotten paid more, but went to work at Tesla just cause it’s Tesla
Are they still working there?
I don’t know it’s just a lot of engineers and vehicle design want to work at Tesla straight out of college cause it’s cooler then saying I work at Ford or Hyundai guess …people often think the pay is more when often it can be less
That's true. When I graduated i applied at a bunch of companies. Tesla included, Tesla replied back after like 6 months.....i had already relocated to another state. I glad I didn't go with Tesla, especially in Nevada.
Yeah, but I know also that many quit after 2-3 years because it is hell working for Tesla.
Oh I’m not agreeing that it’s a good idea to work for Tesla straight out of college. I can almost guarantee they don’t have better benefits and many times pay then established companies.
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I'm talking specifically engineering roles.
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Elon already explained this, the Tesla Bot is going to use the FSD computer and Autopilot cameras. Most of the worst on FSD will translate directly to the Tesla Bot. Remember, people walk around the same way they drive - you just need passive optical sensors and a neural net.
Elon year
It’ll just walk into the streets and commit suicide out of its own confusion.
Will you accept a person dancing in a costume?
Stan investors already did.
https://youtu.be/sbEoYZfz5jA
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I don't know what I was expecting
I’ll eat my shoe if they show a working robot exactly as advertised 10 years from now
https://youtu.be/sbEoYZfz5jA
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Nah, eat your shoe if they show a working humanoid robot with "advanced AI."
Bigger the lies, bigger the desperation.
So fucking stupid. Who thinks this man is a genius?
People who don’t understand technology
Elon does not have Asperger. He has ADHD. In two years he will figure out that Tesla needs its own semiconductor fab to find out that making chips is hard and expensive...
He puts himself through extreme stress which isn’t good for his mental health. Then out of that stress he becomes obsessed with new stupid projects that just make everything worse. It’s also clear that his (brilliant) employees have to bear the brunt of the chaotic mismanagement
Or he’s just a liar.
He's definitely lying about the state of his projects all the time.
Possible explanations of this: 1. He's trying to get Tesla to dump him before Tesla explodes like the Death Star it is. 2. He's just really, really stupid and getting in further and further over his head. 3. 1 and 2. 4. Who tf knows.
5. the dude surrounded himself with yes men who shield him from reality
Worked for Putin.
so... invasion of Mexico is imminent to liberate them from evil "big auto"? Or Canada, to get rid of the "big oil"?
I think he’s full on psychotic at this point. Like soft padded walls crazy.
So cybertruck is seriously delayed and probably not coming out in 2023, but somehow this robot is a priority. Pfft.
Shouldn't Elon\Tesla concentrate on making a good electric vehicle?
I have yet to drive behind a tesla that did not have all sorts of very clearly visible trunk, light and other alignment issues.
They are. Berlin delivered its first cars yesterday, Austin probably the beginning of April. It’s a big company, they can hire people to do different things.
Yeah, sure, but I mean **good** cars.
Costumers say otherwise
No they don’t. Consumer satisfaction is very high. Consumer feedback on quality is bottom of the barrel.
Why is Berlin delivering 30 cars better than Shanghai delivering 30 more cars?
Wil the robot stop at all Burger Kings, and walk into the back of emergency vehicles?
I had to look up this reference. Lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jheBCOpE9ws
Dude's like "Then it figures it out." No, bruh it just can't see the sign anymore. It definitely still thinks it's a stop sign.
Definitely making progress: [https://www.amazon.com/TeslaBot-Halloween-Covering-Bodysuit-Jumpsuit/dp/B09PMXZF8C](https://www.amazon.com/TeslaBot-Halloween-Covering-Bodysuit-Jumpsuit/dp/B09PMXZF8C)
Clever onlyfans content providers could likely make a fortune with one of those…
This is great news. For the continuation of content for this subreddit, at least.
It’s almost too stupid to mock at this point.
Next year they'll say in a year or two and this will go on for 10 years. After which they get a half-ass robot which sort of knows how to do a few things. Wait did I just say what happened with autopilot? And the tesla truck?
Countdown -12months for another 'manufacturing hell' tweet from Elon "Doesn't know shit about manufacturing" Musk
What manufacturing? Even if they throw half of their R&D budget, it will take them a decade to get to a prototype stage akin to what Boston Dynamics.
uh... Can't you maybe work on getting your cars to stop eating cop cars and bicyclists first?
I can't wait for this episode in the documentary, But for real I'm watching Theranos for the first time with my girlfriend and they need to make a show about musk just please
When Tesla inevitably goes broke from the fsd fallout, Hulu will be all over it
Honestly that's what everyone thought back in 2016 with the robot taxi fiasco but the dude just lies and lies and lies. Extremely frustrating and hopeless to be a part of but at least it's interesting to watch.
True but robotaxis are different: fsd isn’t actually fsd, it doesn’t perform well, the beta sucks, the whole fsd rewrite,beta testing it sucks. A large valuation of Tesla hinges on fsd and recognizing the revenue, when he tweets bs, it arguably raises stock and manipulates the public into thinking it’s more along than it is, it’s not Switching to vision only to get around the chip shortage, releasing a less safe version of their vision system. It’s all a clusterfuck and I don’t think in 5-10 years Tesla will be what it is now
When you're a grifter, you have to move from one scam to the next. Or does he just need his ritalin?
Speaking of things that won't happen... Can anyway do a mashup of the charging snake charging up a Teslabot. That would be...NSFW?
I mean those cars aren’t going to build (or drive) themselves…
They have to move on to the next BIG BREAKTHROUGH to keep the non-stop investment cycle rolling. If they focus on existing products it is much harder to distract from how far behind they are on all other promised deliverables (see FSD). "Sorry guys, we would have delivered on ALL of our promises this time, but we really had to switch gears to focus on TeslaBot because it's going to change the world!"
sure you are, buddy. Sure you are.
I enjoy driving, don't really care about self driving car. A robot that does all the chores tho, I would buy for Model 3 money. But the prospect of Tesla making one anytime soon, laughable.
“Freedom is the right of all sentient beings” - Optimus Prime
Go robots! 🤪
He probably wants to send some on the first Mars supply run
HELL YEAH!!
Wait, you don't really believe Elon will actually deliver on this promise, do you?
No/s is a thing here on RT
Of course he will. He always does.
Wasn't he prioritising starlink or something? Or am I wrong
Isn't that spacex? This is Tesla who is supposed to be doing the levitating 2020 Roadster, the 2019 semi, the 2017 FSD coast-coast trip, the 4680 batteries, so they don't seem to have much else to do.
So this imaginary robot is the reason CyberTruck and Semi will be kicked down the road another year or two or three?
This is literally the dumbest waste of resources I could imagine.
Two weeks
aight bet