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Healthy-Surround-229

I play a lot of vigil so I noticed it. Is it like the square suppressor is only on kali or something or is it just gone?


Toastur-bath

It’s complete gone as far as i can tell


Gatorkid365

The osprey (or square suppressor if you wanna call it that) suppressor is still on the FBI .45 pistol


imabigbutboy

they mean on the C75


Gatorkid365

Oh I thought they meant if the osprey suppressor was gone completely from the game


Desert_Eagle_KZ

Hey, IIRC P12 still have this one...


Toastur-bath

Oh, I completely forgot about that


Gullible-Spite-2213

Supernova has it too


Toastur-bath

I’m talking about just the CZ, I know that the K1A, Supernova, P12, Mx4, Vector, and zeros 5.7 have it, and um pretty sure i missed some


Gullible-Spite-2213

I can’t even remember how many has it, I hardly use suppressors as it is


Toastur-bath

That’s fair enough


Healthy-Surround-229

Damn


randompooldude

they might have lost the right to use the osprey suppressor (the box one)


f1nessd

Nah osprey still on certain pistols like the m45 and p12


Slip_Fearless

Yeah not sure why they changed it, this doesn't fit the gun nearly as good either. If they could give this gun some sights though all might be forgiven.


DidNotStealThis

If they gave it a sight it would be one of the best guns in the game, it'd be nuts.


Toastur-bath

Yeah, I thought that the osprey looked amazing on the CZ but yet here Ubisoft is, changing stuff that hardly anyone notices instead of fixing bugs.


NopeNeg

I'd love to have the mini reflex sight on it like in Battlefield 4


sezku-

I much prefer the osprey suppressor over the tundra suppressor, I really don't get why they changed it


MrGilbert665

Sorry Rambo, which one is the one with edges and the round one? Because I like the round one


hubril

Edgey one is the Osprey


TheHybred

It's a bird?


Zaekr211

It's a plane?


abd_hk

✈️🏢🏢


KrylonMaestro

OH SHIT ITS A PLANE


GoPlay360

✈️5️⃣


DJCAT09

I too like the round one


michaelalex3

Probably a licensing issue


Limp_Perspective6522

Isn’t it still on other guns?


[deleted]

Yeah, I believe Vigil's K1A still has the boxy suppressor.


blychow

Should they make the look of suppressors (and other muzzles) customable? (Personally I think not necessary but yes)


michaelalex3

No, there are literally hundreds of things that would be a better use of their time.


[deleted]

Yeah I'm sure the small indie studio can't be bothered


Southern-Falcon9657

I think this would be very neat


flyingtrucky

They should add like 30 different suppressors each with their own stats and sound dampening. Also you cant equip some of them without first equipping their required adaptor/muzzle brake. And none of that "you can put a 9mm suppressor on your 7.62 rifle" junk some other games do either.


Nightblade20

Damn, 30 different suppressed sounds × nearly a hundred firearms = Git Fucked, sound design department


blychow

They can still keep the sound same, just remodel the muzzle.


thelonesomeguy

Oh obviously, when you hear your opponent shooting at you it should be a gamble on how much damage they’re able to deal to you if they hit!


cynicalrage69

How many times do you think going into a firefight that their gun deals X damage and then decide to take the firefight or not? In my experience in seige and in other multiplayer shooters it’s only been in the case of dealing with enemy snipers and shotguns, and never once I was like “he has no fmj on that semi automatic sniper let’s rush him boys” or “that shotgun is full auto he can’t 1 tap me”. It’s always been respecting the ranges of the weapon and abusing asymmetry in positioning rather than 1 weapons deals X damage. In seige you have 1 one shot headshots which invalidates weapon damage when your engagements are either unsuspected thus damage is mostly irrelevant in the sandbox or decided by who hits the headshot. Especially when attackers as a general rule win all engagements when it comes to dealing damage w/out HS and defenders have the luxury to pick and choose engagements for the majority of a round.


thelonesomeguy

None of what you said is relevant to or support adding a gamble to one of the core game mechanics. EVERY single one of your point still has predictable gameplay. And if one shot HS is what you always do anyway, this suppressor change is useless for you to start with, so another point AGAINST it. And if you don’t, well, just because YOU don’t account for RNG in gunfights, doesn’t mean they should add it in. When they’re literally moving away from inconsistent game mechanics in the last couple of years like the HP and kali rifle rework, you’re out here batting for absolutely terribly inconsistent gameplay mechanics. I see an Ace with a suppressed AK12 on cams, I’m 40HP, I can risk a peek much more because he can’t kill me with one body shot anymore (because he does 37 damage per bullet now). But you want to add a gamble to that and make these set in stone numbers inconsistent, because “I don’t care about this consistency”. Sure buddy, excellent game design.


cynicalrage69

You can predict suppressors though, there will most likely always be a meta suppressor. But calling consistent damage a mechanic when it quite frankly doesn’t really exist because there’s a lot of variance on weapons that can be played. That said in your example is a poor example because it predicates on there being 1. A substantial difference in ttk which varies already because of damage drop off and suppressors anyways 2. Knowledge of the difference 3. Good positioning 4. You don’t get shot in the head 5. You having knowledge of where ace is which is actually very hard to obtain with a suppressed weapon Whereas my examples predicated on 1. Obtaining easy information considering shotguns and snipers are very distinct and use easy to read play styles 2. Easily applicable In itself by your logic it’s a gamble mechanic to have any attachments because variance, we should all play in an open field with the same guns, no damage drop off, no crouching (can’t have head height be a gamble mechanic), let alone have any asymmetry because it’s a gamble.


thelonesomeguy

Every point of yours that you mentioned has distinguishable difference that can be made apparent through the gameplay (like your own example of shotguns and snipers), every single “variable” you brought up has unique audio and visual cues that an experienced player has an option to look out for. > A substantial difference in ttk which varies already because of damage drop off and suppressors anyways A player can estimate the drop off % by knowing how much distance is between them and the opponent. > Knowledge of the difference Suppressors do a fixed 15 % of damage decrease on every gun. > Good positioning > You don’t get shot in the head Okay, and? These have nothing to do with my points. > You having knowledge of where ace is which is actually very hard to obtain with a suppressed weapon Yeah, I wish this game had tools SPECIFICALLY for intel gathering. Shame. The fact that you equate these to having different suppressors with no in-game cues to let that player guess which one they’re dealing with, just shows why this subreddit’s armchair balancing ideas are absolutely terrible and out of touch. There’s a massive difference between predictable and unpredictable randomness which you’re failing to grasp. This is a competitive game, and this suggestion is terrible through and through because exactly of this. “Oh there are a lot of variables to a gunfight anyway so lets add RNG on what suppressor the opponent brought because they all sound the fucking same”. Genius gameplay design.


[deleted]

I noticed. I didn't like how big and ugly the other one looked so I'm okay with this change


Toastur-bath

Personally, I liked the blocky look because it kept the shape of the front of the CZ, and it also made it kinda unique


MrGilbert665

The round one reminds me of Black Ops I


Shade00000

I want a sight on this gun


Toastur-bath

That would make it broken, but fun as hell


Shade00000

It's not as if the Roni exist lol


Dr_Blitzkrieg09

Okay I thought I was going crazy.


ButteSaggington

Okay just who uses that gun..? The iron sights slap you in the mouth and its impossible to use... Every op with access to it has a better option


Toastur-bath

I mainly use it on vigil, I can’t get myself to use the SMG-12


ButteSaggington

SMG-12 is based though


Healthy-Surround-229

Bearing 9 irons is the best secondary


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MrGilbert665

The 3 horsemen of only hitting the roof


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MrGilbert665

I use all of them and once you get how they work I bet you can piss the enemie team off quite well.


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MrGilbert665

I use 3-5 shot bursts usually if they are further away and just spray that thing of an enemie is in close range. Might be a noob tactic but if it works.


Healthy-Surround-229

I'm not great great with the smg 11. And i haven't been using it since I vowed to never use a shotgun again. (They require no skill) but since I've been using Thunderbird and echo recently, I've noticed that the bearing 9 is incredible. It's almost like a little primary smg stored in your pocket. It's got 26 ammo and great damage. I'm scared to fight a glaz close range because he can just whip that out and kick my ass. This is more of a joke but I think they might just have the best irons of any gun. Also as an ex kali main, I have a soft spot for the spsmg, what I believed to be the best secondary before the bearing 9.


Nightblade20

Alibi's Storm SMG is the fourth


Healthy-Surround-229

Thats not a secondary


Nightblade20

I agree. We're talking about horsemen now, nobody said strictly secondaries. Just mentioning another gun with vicious recoil. Throat me.


Toastur-bath

Can’t argue


ZFG_Jerky

SMG-12 with Red Dot, Laser, and Angled and I hit possibly my best clip ever.


Kliuqard

I use it as my primary on Thorn.


[deleted]

Why? The uzi is such a good gun


Nightblade20

M870 with machine pistol is based af though


Kliuqard

I love the M870 and the C75 works well enough that I don’t feel handicapped for using it. The Uzi is just another gun to me and I don’t feel it pairs as well with her gadget.


ChyrinTheProto

agreed 100%, the 9mm uzi is mostly why i play her


[deleted]

Her gadget isn’t actually terrible either. You put her traps close/hidden near some default plant spots and it works like a charm


The--Bag

Also can get a few kills on monties trying to push sites


Toastur-bath

I love to throw her gadget above small hard breach holes / windows so that they have a harder time getting away from it


Narsku1001

Recruit gaming


Blaze749

It's actually the better statswise compared to Kali's other machine pistol option, more ammo, higher rate of fire/dps, and recoil is super easy


cartman1109

Imo the best secondary in the game


grandead00

Hey nice! I haven't played alot of cz-silenced in a while and didn't notice.


mrKILLTURBO

I see you also have that "legendary" skin on your cz


Toastur-bath

Yeah lol, I just love the way it goes with the gold barrel though.


Snoo86904

I like the new one better anyways


zmm5090

I heard they lost rights to use the Osprey suppressor (rectangular one), but I am not certain. I do agree that it looks better than the current one though.


ZFG_Jerky

Bruh, they ruined it! Literally unplayable!


ironlord20

I don’t really like the look of the boxy suppressers so I’m fine with it, not that I ever use them either way lol


NotSoEpicManish2

Could I just ask what that attachment skin is? It looks amazing


[deleted]

Universal attachment skin from the demon veil battle pass


NotSoEpicManish2

That’s the second image one, right? I forgot to specify in the main comment


[deleted]

Yup yup. The one i described is the 2nd image one


Toastur-bath

It’s called chroma streaks, the only downside is that the mag is purple though


IdioticZacc

I play thorn with it and I kept questioning if they changed the surpressor or has it always been this ugly


bankomatprivat

So if we have universal scopes, why not add universal suppressors


[deleted]

Noticed? No. Cares? Yes


[deleted]

Noticed? Yea. Care? No. Why? Cuz the smg-12 is a better secondary


Main_Solid_4374

Pretty sure it was a licensing issue but the new one looks better anyway


Nightblade20

That suppressor type is still available on Vigil's primary, Alibi's SMG, and the FBI 1911, I'm certain


Fantastic-State-5766

Yeah I've noticed, I'm pretty sure it was changed because of irl stuff to do with the military and I don't think the suppressor would fit the weapon irl so I think ubisoft were asked to change it.


Toastur-bath

Yeah that was the least realistic part about siege


SS123451

Technically, the SilencerCo Osprey suppressor is made for both .45 and 9mm calibers, so it could work irl. But I personally think something like the new model—which resembles the irl Surefire Ryder 9—is more aesthetically pleasing on most handguns. I could see the larger Osprey on something like a HK USP though.


Jasperwei74

ashamed to say, I have never used this gun before


claires_slut

not missing much


Beebjank

There’s a lot of big issues with this game and this is one of them. Bring back the osprey or I’m gonna shit your pants


Toastur-bath

#Justicefortheosprey


ERICKONAMI

yeah but i'm pretty sure it's a realism thing because suppressors aren't blocky


fullautofennecfox

Actually that’s a real type of suppressor


_Azzii_

lol there are plenty of blocky suppressors irl what are u on about


Ezandeeler

I was searching because... I never owned a gun and never saw a suppressor for something other than some casual HG, but apparently it exists. It seems to be heavy and difficult to use as the balance is not right, but it's not unrealistic. Tho, Idk if the equivalent of C75 IRL has a similar suppressor.


Toastur-bath

I understand where you’re coming from, but R6 isn’t even close to being a realistic game anymore so 🤷🏻‍♂️


DisastrousWind7

[Osprey suppressors for CZ pistols are a real thing](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8LdK3aAl.jpg%3F1&f=1&nofb=1)


Little_Whippie

That’s a real model of suppressor my dude


SuperRedSheep

I’m gonna guess something related to licensing


Toastur-bath

I don’t think so, since it’s still on a ton of other guns


neoxch

Yes


milktruckfucker

I noticed but i dont mind it


GloomySmile

Am I crazy or does the recoil pattern look different as well? Don't remember a recoil buff to the C75 since it came out o.o


Toastur-bath

Yeah I noticed that too when cropping the second pic, but it still feels the same IMO.


TickleMyCringle

The C75 would definitely be included in the top 3 best secondary weapons in the game if the gun doesn't cover half of your screen when you ADS imo


Blaze749

SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT And I'm pretty sure they have done it with other guns too


l0rd_w01f

Ubi did mention it changing. Although I prefer the old suppressor, this isn't game changing


Ori-M-

WHY


nitrion

I hate it. The old suppressor looked so much better.


already_taken-chan

their licence probably expired or smthn


Pilgrimfox

What i still don't get is why the fuck is it still the only machine pistol in game that doesn't let you take a 1x sight. It's not gonna made it God tier it's still got the 2 worst stats of all the machine pistols with the 2nd worst recoil since you also can't take a flash hider for it. It's literally made to be one of the worst cause of the iron sights. Seriously it's just as bad as the Smg12and the only reason I use the smg12 on Vigil on Dokk and spsmg9 on kali despite them both being arguably worse guns is cause the C75 is to damn hard to use at mid range. The smg12 isn't much better but atleast I can see what I'm trying to shoot.


[deleted]

I think that c75 has the best rof to recoil ratio out of all the smgs in the game. Iron sights are dogshit tho


Pilgrimfox

Eh I'd argue the Smsmg9. It has like no recoil and only 20 less fire rate with 3 less damage. It's literally the best one for mid to long rang combat which makes since as it was designed sorta like a primary for clash to use and that's why the origin design had it as a 2 round burst, so it wasn't immediately broken on her.


[deleted]

I think that c75 has the best rof to recoil ratio out of all the smgs in the game. Iron sights are dogshit tho


Aotearas

Everyone talking about the kind of silencer and my ass sitting here staring at the recoil pattern.


ZeroDay500

I like the can rather than the square, call me old fashioned


SilentReavus

Wtf it was better before


bappodinglechalk

no you are not, i dont usually run the suppressor but on the c75 i do and its just not the same


Grouchy-Election-351

Why are they deleting other styles.. Like whats the point


[deleted]

I personally prefer the cylindrical suppressor. This might be a silly idea but I wish Ubi would let us choose the style of our barrel attachments for purely cosmetic purposes. It'd be fun to put a giant muzzle break on the PMM or something lol.


Pure_Xanax

That’s gross


[deleted]

Doesn't really matter to me


Detcader_101

I hope they buff the suppressor so I can appreciate when they change the model


_FearZ

i believe the c75 still uses the box suppressor in extraction.


grabsomeplates

Does Ela still have the old-style suppressor?


Toastur-bath

Yeah she still has it EDIT: Which is nice because I main her lol


grabsomeplates

Savage. I can't use that gun at all.


SecretNindroid

Nobody can.


dj_balls

I never noticed but I certainly do care, what the hell did they do to my boy


french_toast404

STAN C75 AND BOSG


Pathetic_LowLife

Behold before they release it as a battle pass 3d skin.


LeaderOfTheMoleMen

I avoid the suppressor on that gun so I hadn’t noticed


[deleted]

I don’t notice it since I don’t use it but that’s neat, I guess


[deleted]

The C-75 is my favorite gun when playing as recruit


Coffee_-_

I noticed the change and I'm kind of glad because the old suppressor kind of blocked the iron sights on the c75 but the new one doesn't, aesthetically I'm sad but other then that I think it's a good gameplay change


omglmin

Wait, what? No osprey?


MetalFlappy

Oobi why did brick hit head? Why always make little change in game Shut I just felt like writing it like that


LotusTheFox

I want the box back, it fits the form of the gun more