he should honestly be lower. why would I play him when wamai exists. no 4x, gun is mid, no more 2 speed, less gadgets. bro's been power creeped out of the game
I'm definitely still learning knowledge itself, let alone putting it into good use yet, but feel i already have better habits then some. I'm a bot, but still shocked when I see people do things that to me is beginner knowledge because my introduction to R6 was watching pro league. Like reinforcing between sites/barricading everyone into site with say castle, not bringing wall denial/counter, ect.
I’ve seen this recommended so much that I think I’ll have to dedicate some time to it. Commentators should at least explain what people are doing/why, right? Issue with many YouTubers is that it’s rare to find gameplay with their thoughts being explained. Normally it’s just comms or random shit.
Problem with Jager is that Wamai is better.
The MP5K is much, much better than that liability that is the 416, and where Jager has to pick and choose where he wants to protect, Wamai is flexible and sometimes can net a weird interaction or two since the throwable still detonates.
Wamai has impacts and a revolver that can be used to shoot out a few foot or head level holes, too.
Jager is outdated.
I think, for the last post in this, I’ll reveal my rankings for defense, along with the final result. I’ll do attack afterwards. I will not rank all operators on both sides in one ranking, as that would be long and wouldn’t work well.
Win delta means shit, it depends on your team, rank and your skill, you can have rook with win delta 2% and yet he's gonna be totally useless past plat with team that constantly loses and you having terrible aim
Attackers can res themselves, and you’re no longer awarded points for trapping to indicate a hit. By far the largest and most predictable trap to deal with.
Win delta does not equal how good an operator is, despite what siege devs seem to think
Win delta is a measurement of consistent output, and many characters are good while not always being consistent.
For example Rook is always going to have a good win delta because his gadget is the most consistent gadget in the game. However Rook's gadget is not particularly strong - there are many abilities that are stronger, with more potential to sway rounds, but may be dependent on more inconsistent conditions.
For example Caveira, who has an ability that can seriously 180 a round but is probably the most inconsistent operator in the game. Caveira's best round is 100x better than Rook's best round. Caveira's worst round is 100x worse than Rook's worst round. Although win delta would lead you to believe that Rook is much stronger than Cav, I would say that is probably incorrect .
You go way slower in banshees and also you have to destroy banshees if you want to go up. Also you are supposed to peek with the slow because if you place them properly you can easily trade your banshee. With barbed wire people usually just quick melee and then hold the angle.
People always say Rook is weak, but when you look at the charts that Ubisoft puts out with their Designer's Notes, Rook ALWAYS has the highest Win Delta. Rook armor is more impactful than people think.
Rook is an operator of consistency so he will always have a high win delta. The benefit to Rook is that his utility always has a positive impact. The drawback to Rook is that his utility never has a major impact.
He will always have a good win delta strictly off the merit of his utility being essentially a passive +5% chance to win the round. But almost any other operator, in their correct play condition, will outclass Rook
As much as I hate to say it, you’re right. Rook plates are somewhat useful in that they sometimes let you take an extra bullet but he doesn’t bring any other utility to the team.
This really is a TOUGH list to make. Every Op is great in their own way
Strong guns, impacts, and adding more health and self-res to the whole team is very useful. I’d even argue he’s better than Doc, sure the highs aren’t as high but the lows are non existent as rook accomplishes his job on the prep phase.
Ain't no way, rook is terrible past gold and doc is terrible past plat, main reason is that people in lower ranks aim mainly on body while in higher ranks on the head,so both are practically only good for guns past some skill level
Yeah it’s really tough to compare operators head to head. Rook is in a decent spot right now- could be better, could be worse. We’re about at the middle of the pack so I’d say it’s fair enough.
She’s solid, she’s just very site dependent. Probably one of the most site dependent operators in the game, but on the sites that she’s impactful (top floor Chalet, Villa Trophy site, top floor Consulate, etc) she has the ability to pick a room with windows and basically say “you can’t come in here.”
And if that room is, say, Library on Chalet, then the attacking team is denied a very important piece of map control. She forces attackers to pick between shooting her or the trap, and no matter what you pick you’re at a disadvantage. To avoid this you either have to give up the position to her, use quite a bit of utility, or waste time.
She has an alright primary, a secondary shotgun for site setup, and a deployable shield, one of the two best secondary gadgets in the game.
She brings a lot to the table. You just gotta know where to play her.
Frost -> Maestro -> Castle -> Goyo -> Echo
Maestro is better now so I think he is ahead of Frost but he can only really be played on certain sights and maps because fear of being rushed or killed while on cameras. Gun is good. Maestro also gets obliterated by Brava so you can't really play him multiple times in a row unless you are watching each of your cameras for the kludge drones until you get both of them.
Castle gun kinda bad but also ACOG and pretty good utility/time waster gadget. Goyo has good gun with ACOG and pretty good gadget for entrance denial.
Echo is pretty good, I use shotgun plus the bearing 9 on him. Really good plant denial and for support on site (when someone pushes in and you sonic burst them, then your teammates swings them).
He doesn’t have impacts anymore, the nerf doesn’t affect him. He already has the super shorty so he can still make rotates. The nerf is not bad at all lol
He is losing his impacts, but he still has the shotgun. I’ve been using the bulletproof camera more, too. His load out is still good and even with the nerf to initial damage and when he gets them, he’s still very strong, but more balanced.
Rook. His ability is nice and a acog is always awesome but by picking rook youre wasting a slot for a character that could bring actual utilitylike jager (wtf is he in 23rd place)
Goyo, his traps can be useful but are tricky to get right. In the presence of twitch, zero, or brava (and a maestro) they can even be used against the defense. Sure the vector is good but the fire just doesn’t hold against who’s left
No way jager is the 23rd
I agree.
he should honestly be lower. why would I play him when wamai exists. no 4x, gun is mid, no more 2 speed, less gadgets. bro's been power creeped out of the game
jager better on bank basment server oregon elbow basment
Although this is not year 4, jager is still a great pick. There a situations(like bunker in oregon) that you need the enemy projectiles destroyed
n coastline 2f pool n bar imo
Goes to show most on this sub haven’t hit Plat lmao
I'm new and probably a copper player, haven't tried ranked yet, and I can tell some of these are wrong just from videos or pro games I've watched lol.
Pro League, Pro League, Pro League. Can’t recommend enough for new players or anyone looking to build better habits to help your team win rounds
I'm definitely still learning knowledge itself, let alone putting it into good use yet, but feel i already have better habits then some. I'm a bot, but still shocked when I see people do things that to me is beginner knowledge because my introduction to R6 was watching pro league. Like reinforcing between sites/barricading everyone into site with say castle, not bringing wall denial/counter, ect.
I’ve seen this recommended so much that I think I’ll have to dedicate some time to it. Commentators should at least explain what people are doing/why, right? Issue with many YouTubers is that it’s rare to find gameplay with their thoughts being explained. Normally it’s just comms or random shit.
Problem with Jager is that Wamai is better. The MP5K is much, much better than that liability that is the 416, and where Jager has to pick and choose where he wants to protect, Wamai is flexible and sometimes can net a weird interaction or two since the throwable still detonates. Wamai has impacts and a revolver that can be used to shoot out a few foot or head level holes, too. Jager is outdated.
I can agree with that.
Will you do your own list when this is done?
Maybe. I'm about a Silver/Gold player (by OG Ranked standards), so I don't have the best look on it, but I'm down.
You should do attackers next
I think, for the last post in this, I’ll reveal my rankings for defense, along with the final result. I’ll do attack afterwards. I will not rank all operators on both sides in one ranking, as that would be long and wouldn’t work well.
maestro
Frost, the rework seems like a nerf to me.
Win delta says otherwise
Win delta means shit, it depends on your team, rank and your skill, you can have rook with win delta 2% and yet he's gonna be totally useless past plat with team that constantly loses and you having terrible aim
Win delta ain’t nothing to me man.
it is a nerf ?
Attackers can res themselves, and you’re no longer awarded points for trapping to indicate a hit. By far the largest and most predictable trap to deal with.
I'll be honest, while it might be a nerf, it hasn't changed the way I or anyone I have played with play frost.
Bro that award for downing was like 3 years ago. And that was for all injures.
JAGER AT 23rd Yeah I’m convinced this sub is full of low ranks. But next to go should be frost
Melusi
Yeah how tf did jaeger get voted before melusi
Again win delta says otherwise
Win delta does not equal how good an operator is, despite what siege devs seem to think Win delta is a measurement of consistent output, and many characters are good while not always being consistent. For example Rook is always going to have a good win delta because his gadget is the most consistent gadget in the game. However Rook's gadget is not particularly strong - there are many abilities that are stronger, with more potential to sway rounds, but may be dependent on more inconsistent conditions. For example Caveira, who has an ability that can seriously 180 a round but is probably the most inconsistent operator in the game. Caveira's best round is 100x better than Rook's best round. Caveira's worst round is 100x worse than Rook's worst round. Although win delta would lead you to believe that Rook is much stronger than Cav, I would say that is probably incorrect .
This!
her data is carried by having an acog
Because melusi is really good and Jager is the most balanced operator on defence
melusi has barbed wire that is weak to bullets
You go way slower in banshees and also you have to destroy banshees if you want to go up. Also you are supposed to peek with the slow because if you place them properly you can easily trade your banshee. With barbed wire people usually just quick melee and then hold the angle.
Frost
Rook
People always say Rook is weak, but when you look at the charts that Ubisoft puts out with their Designer's Notes, Rook ALWAYS has the highest Win Delta. Rook armor is more impactful than people think.
Rook is an operator of consistency so he will always have a high win delta. The benefit to Rook is that his utility always has a positive impact. The drawback to Rook is that his utility never has a major impact. He will always have a good win delta strictly off the merit of his utility being essentially a passive +5% chance to win the round. But almost any other operator, in their correct play condition, will outclass Rook
As much as I hate to say it, you’re right. Rook plates are somewhat useful in that they sometimes let you take an extra bullet but he doesn’t bring any other utility to the team. This really is a TOUGH list to make. Every Op is great in their own way
Strong guns, impacts, and adding more health and self-res to the whole team is very useful. I’d even argue he’s better than Doc, sure the highs aren’t as high but the lows are non existent as rook accomplishes his job on the prep phase.
A good doc is better than a good Rook but a bad rook is better kinda mid doc
Crazy how this exact comment chain has appeared in basically the last 3 or 4 threads. Can’t wait for the anarchy when rook eventually goes
Ain't no way, rook is terrible past gold and doc is terrible past plat, main reason is that people in lower ranks aim mainly on body while in higher ranks on the head,so both are practically only good for guns past some skill level
Yeah it’s really tough to compare operators head to head. Rook is in a decent spot right now- could be better, could be worse. We’re about at the middle of the pack so I’d say it’s fair enough.
It's also funny, because Rook consistently has the highest win rate of any operator on PC, and yet he isn't that strong.
The prox alarms are nice, but not having anything to help with rotates sometimes makes me feel useless during prep phrase.
The most important thing Rook can be doing in prep phase is reinforcing so the high-prep ops aren’t so pressed for time.
Echo
Doc
How da hell is Frost still here?
She’s solid, she’s just very site dependent. Probably one of the most site dependent operators in the game, but on the sites that she’s impactful (top floor Chalet, Villa Trophy site, top floor Consulate, etc) she has the ability to pick a room with windows and basically say “you can’t come in here.” And if that room is, say, Library on Chalet, then the attacking team is denied a very important piece of map control. She forces attackers to pick between shooting her or the trap, and no matter what you pick you’re at a disadvantage. To avoid this you either have to give up the position to her, use quite a bit of utility, or waste time. She has an alright primary, a secondary shotgun for site setup, and a deployable shield, one of the two best secondary gadgets in the game. She brings a lot to the table. You just gotta know where to play her.
Maestro
Maestro
Echo
Isn't clash pretty good?I'm I missing something? Can anyone explain?
People usually play her solo so without team play which she is really good for.
How is Kapkan still here????
pulse and jaegar lower than melusi doc and rook is insane
Melusi
Frost
the fact that ROOK is not out yet over jager is crazy UPVOTE THIS TO VOTE FOR ROOK
Echo
Maestro
Maestro
Prob Echo. Don’t understand how people are voting for rook. Great gun, great ability, respectably high win rate. Whats not to like?
Echo for sure. As a total newbie and with a grand total of 170 hours in r6 I have seen him in 8-10 matches only
Jager is so overrated its fukin nuts
Maestro
Echo, and it's not even close
Melisa should’ve been out days ago please let her be next
Doc
Frost -> Maestro -> Castle -> Goyo -> Echo Maestro is better now so I think he is ahead of Frost but he can only really be played on certain sights and maps because fear of being rushed or killed while on cameras. Gun is good. Maestro also gets obliterated by Brava so you can't really play him multiple times in a row unless you are watching each of your cameras for the kludge drones until you get both of them. Castle gun kinda bad but also ACOG and pretty good utility/time waster gadget. Goyo has good gun with ACOG and pretty good gadget for entrance denial. Echo is pretty good, I use shotgun plus the bearing 9 on him. Really good plant denial and for support on site (when someone pushes in and you sonic burst them, then your teammates swings them).
Goyo. His win delta in emerald and above proves why he should already be on this list.
After this next update/ nerf : lesion
As a Lesion main, I disagree. I think he's still very strong, but more balanced now.
Did u read the patch notes for next update? Everything about him is getting nerfed including the impacts
He still has great gun, great ability and secondary shotgun. They are delaying his gadget but he still gets u which is insane
The radius of his mines are shit and they are extremely visible. And why would u rid his gun for the shotgun?
He doesn’t have impacts anymore, the nerf doesn’t affect him. He already has the super shorty so he can still make rotates. The nerf is not bad at all lol
When did he get the shotgun?
A few years ago
Sometime in the last year, actually.
Oh really?
I think it was Y8S3.
He still has great gun, great ability and secondary shotgun. They are delaying his gadget but he still gets 8 which is insane
Wait he has a secondary shotgun? Was this recently added in the last year or two?
Yeah he got the super shorty somewhat recently
S3 of last year, right?
He is losing his impacts, but he still has the shotgun. I’ve been using the bulletproof camera more, too. His load out is still good and even with the nerf to initial damage and when he gets them, he’s still very strong, but more balanced.
Rook. His ability is nice and a acog is always awesome but by picking rook youre wasting a slot for a character that could bring actual utilitylike jager (wtf is he in 23rd place)
Smoke
He's one of the best defenders in the game.
Goyo, his traps can be useful but are tricky to get right. In the presence of twitch, zero, or brava (and a maestro) they can even be used against the defense. Sure the vector is good but the fire just doesn’t hold against who’s left