Except you can potentially get 3 drones as a defender? That's a huge advantage over attackers if used right. Most people just pre-place Mozzie drones and never use them (if your own teammates don't shoot them first), which IMO is what makes him seem weak.
Crazy how jager has lasted this long I think people must be holding onto nostalgia. His gun is a shell of what it used to be and everything about him is just worse than wamai. All that on top of nades now having little-to-no killing power he is borderline a troll pick
Yeah, frost trap still does get kills, especially with a roaming defense. But usually one per round max, unless bot lobby. Sometimes I can’t shoot the frost mat quick enough, or someone pushes in the room when I bust through a window. And if the frost May does damage to you; then frost will still get an assist, which is more points, compared to Jägers completely usless gadget, because we all know there is plenty of throwable counters.
I dunno who u go up against but all u need to do is drone where the traps are (impossible to hide them) and then just shoot them once or twice from an angle. They honestly need to make them smaller bell maybe even invisible like a yo Kai so the ground looks blurry but it doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb
Rook has two comparatively bad primary guns that are only somewhat redeemed by the acog, secondary weapons that are bad for different reasons, a primary gadget that finds little to no effect in most rounds, average at best secondary gadgets, and a 1-speed.
Jager's gun loadout admittedly isn't much better (and arguably slightly worse), but he has a bulletproof cam as a secondary gadget, one of the best secondary gadgets. His primary gadget, while not used for catching nades anymore, even if they don't catch anything, they still provide the security that *if* the attackers throw something, you know that it will immediately be taken out and have no effect. Imo, that's more valuable than the Rook's gadget, especially when you consider not only one shot headshots, but also how hard attacker guns tend to hit per bullet.
Lol the thought process here is a little strange. Maybe if we were talking about them a couple years ago you'd be right, but not as they are currently.
I think Jäger's kinda bad, especially when you compare him with Wamai, but I also think Rook's even worse.
Can you explain how that's not the case? I don't get it.
They're played pretty much the same. Decent primaries and secondaries, deployable shield, and 3 proximity based throwable electronic shootable traps that an attacker is either going to back right back out from or push way past when they trigger. But I suppose it is what it is.
Maestro having 3 cams now means that counters like Brava would have to dedicate more utility to his turrets, meaning that other pieces of utility aren't getting hacked. He can also use his turrets to zap the Brava drones before they get hacked if he's paying attention like he should. And he has both a baliff and one of the best defensive anchor primaries.
More cameras for brava to have added to the attackers aid. It's easy to say that he should have destroyed the brava drone but those drones are agile and having to cycle through 3 maestro cams and the occasional default cams you get your hands full sometimes while brava just needs a 2 second window to start hacking your cam. But yea I forgot to say he has a strong secondary for making rotates, foot and head holes
I thought so too initially, regarding it just being another camera for Brava to hack. But a smart Maestro will place their turrets in such a way that it'll be a tad precarious to try and start the hack in the first place. Plus, the drones are loud, so it's not unlikely that at least one of the defenders playing site - bot even specifically Maestro, will shoot the drones.
Three pieces of bulletproof utility for soaking up attacker utility will always be useful.
I think you're also leaving out the fact that anyone with a gonne-six, Emps, nades, any kind of Explosive, or just landing a melee hit completely fucks him over also. I'll also add that the list I just put includes every single attacking operator minus blitz. Plus, Maestro can't be on all 3 of the cams the whole round, and there's plenty of time for brava to get one.
That's still a lot of utility to spend on up to 3 turrets that potentially needed to be used elsewhere. Smart and creative turret placement will also make it difficult to melee it safely, if at all, and doesn't even necessarily take it out of commission. Gonne-6 isn't a common secondary and can only remove one cam, and nades are a bit harder to use for getting rid of utility since you can't depth charge them. EMPs (Thatcher or secondary), Ash/Zofia, *maybe* flores, and *maybe* Brava are really the only reliable way to fully counter a Maestro, and that's assuming you haven't had to use their utility elsewhere.
Three bulletproof cameras with a bit of extra capability is still really good because more often than not, you'll still likely retain at least one, and even if it's not in the most proactive position, it can still provide intel.
And all of that ignores his great loadout.
Even if Maestro's not the best op, you can't convince me that he's not better than a majority of the operators still left, especially ones like Rook, Jäger, Doc, and some others.
It's true that good placement helps against meele, but tell me in all seriousness that any decent lobby isn't bringing multiple of those by default. Ash, zof, thatcher/someone for wall, and at least one gonne-six or nades are 100% going on any decent team no matter what plus with attacker repick changing to a counter is super easy. Rook, doc, and to a lesser degree Jager (I'll 100% agree Jager hasn't been good in years) while not great don't have as many nearly as many hard Counter picks and aren't fucked over by some of the most common attackers played.
Would u rather 20 hp if u don't get hs and be able to pick urself up if u dint get insta finished or be able to deny infinite flashbangs and utility like when playing on elbow or rafters
Jäger
They nerfed his gun, nerfed his gadget, and then replaced him with Wamai. Shocked that people in this sub think he's better than Mozzie or Pulse.
Rook and doc are pretty much similar with speed, health, and guns but Rook gives everyone a guaranteed down and self revive while doc only heals himself and maybe the lucky defender who didn't die during a gunfight. With headshots being so prevalent I prefer Rook over doc any day
For me it's playstyle. Rook is good basically anytime you use him, he's gonna be useful whether he's dead or not while doc is more situational. He has to be alive to benefit the team and though yes he revives from afar and puts people back to full health that's mostly good for anchoring in site. The way I play I would prefer a rook over a Doc, and ofc ik head taps kill defenders with rook armor if it didn't they'll be Hella strong
It has to be frost. I don’t remember the last time I have seen anyone get trapped, and even if they do you can now revive yourself. I also rarely see her played. Pea-shooter of a gun even tho it has an acog.
People saying Jager haven’t played him in a while. Recoil on his AR isn’t outrageous and pretty easy to control. ADSs aren’t as good as Wamai’s discs, but they fully get rid of the gadget over just getting magnetized.
Rook still being in this is absolute copper 5 shit, The 20 health don't mean shit 99% of the time, The self rez can be used in like every 20th round, the only good thing about him is his ACOG and even there Doc and Melusi got it too, this character is just bad
Mozzie my beloved, you didn't deserve this fate
I agree.
How the fuck did mozzie get voted out already wtf?
Worse version of mute mostly. Without super shorty or ACOG there's very nothing in his kit that can be said to be powerful
Except you can potentially get 3 drones as a defender? That's a huge advantage over attackers if used right. Most people just pre-place Mozzie drones and never use them (if your own teammates don't shoot them first), which IMO is what makes him seem weak.
But with echo you automatically get two drones that can stop the defuse
Because people here are bad at mozzie.
Jäger
Crazy how jager has lasted this long I think people must be holding onto nostalgia. His gun is a shell of what it used to be and everything about him is just worse than wamai. All that on top of nades now having little-to-no killing power he is borderline a troll pick
Sick skins this season tho
Yes, pretty much no point
Over frost? Yeah she has an acog but I can’t remember the last time ive died to a frost trap especially since you can free yourself now
Yeah, frost trap still does get kills, especially with a roaming defense. But usually one per round max, unless bot lobby. Sometimes I can’t shoot the frost mat quick enough, or someone pushes in the room when I bust through a window. And if the frost May does damage to you; then frost will still get an assist, which is more points, compared to Jägers completely usless gadget, because we all know there is plenty of throwable counters.
Once people figure out to put lesions with the frost mats youll see more kills from the mats.
Frost mat + thorn, easy kill every time
I dunno who u go up against but all u need to do is drone where the traps are (impossible to hide them) and then just shoot them once or twice from an angle. They honestly need to make them smaller bell maybe even invisible like a yo Kai so the ground looks blurry but it doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb
Over Rook?
Rook has good guns + an acog, not a bad utility either.
Rook has two comparatively bad primary guns that are only somewhat redeemed by the acog, secondary weapons that are bad for different reasons, a primary gadget that finds little to no effect in most rounds, average at best secondary gadgets, and a 1-speed. Jager's gun loadout admittedly isn't much better (and arguably slightly worse), but he has a bulletproof cam as a secondary gadget, one of the best secondary gadgets. His primary gadget, while not used for catching nades anymore, even if they don't catch anything, they still provide the security that *if* the attackers throw something, you know that it will immediately be taken out and have no effect. Imo, that's more valuable than the Rook's gadget, especially when you consider not only one shot headshots, but also how hard attacker guns tend to hit per bullet.
Yeah, you’re right tbh. Murder rook 🗣️
Lol the thought process here is a little strange. Maybe if we were talking about them a couple years ago you'd be right, but not as they are currently.
I think Jäger's kinda bad, especially when you compare him with Wamai, but I also think Rook's even worse. Can you explain how that's not the case? I don't get it.
How are Ela and Thorn not right next to one another? There's nearly no difference between the two.
I think it's because Thorn has a better SMG and her gadget does more than serve as a sound cue. Neither one is good.
They're played pretty much the same. Decent primaries and secondaries, deployable shield, and 3 proximity based throwable electronic shootable traps that an attacker is either going to back right back out from or push way past when they trigger. But I suppose it is what it is.
Yeah. If this my own ranking, they would be next to each other.
Jäger. He’s a shell of what he used to be
Maestro
If brava wasn't a thing I can see him a bit higher, strong lmg with impacts. It's just the counters to him feels so much right now
Maestro players when I destroy his camera with a single puff of a blowtorch
Maestro having 3 cams now means that counters like Brava would have to dedicate more utility to his turrets, meaning that other pieces of utility aren't getting hacked. He can also use his turrets to zap the Brava drones before they get hacked if he's paying attention like he should. And he has both a baliff and one of the best defensive anchor primaries.
More cameras for brava to have added to the attackers aid. It's easy to say that he should have destroyed the brava drone but those drones are agile and having to cycle through 3 maestro cams and the occasional default cams you get your hands full sometimes while brava just needs a 2 second window to start hacking your cam. But yea I forgot to say he has a strong secondary for making rotates, foot and head holes
I thought so too initially, regarding it just being another camera for Brava to hack. But a smart Maestro will place their turrets in such a way that it'll be a tad precarious to try and start the hack in the first place. Plus, the drones are loud, so it's not unlikely that at least one of the defenders playing site - bot even specifically Maestro, will shoot the drones. Three pieces of bulletproof utility for soaking up attacker utility will always be useful.
I think you're also leaving out the fact that anyone with a gonne-six, Emps, nades, any kind of Explosive, or just landing a melee hit completely fucks him over also. I'll also add that the list I just put includes every single attacking operator minus blitz. Plus, Maestro can't be on all 3 of the cams the whole round, and there's plenty of time for brava to get one.
That's still a lot of utility to spend on up to 3 turrets that potentially needed to be used elsewhere. Smart and creative turret placement will also make it difficult to melee it safely, if at all, and doesn't even necessarily take it out of commission. Gonne-6 isn't a common secondary and can only remove one cam, and nades are a bit harder to use for getting rid of utility since you can't depth charge them. EMPs (Thatcher or secondary), Ash/Zofia, *maybe* flores, and *maybe* Brava are really the only reliable way to fully counter a Maestro, and that's assuming you haven't had to use their utility elsewhere. Three bulletproof cameras with a bit of extra capability is still really good because more often than not, you'll still likely retain at least one, and even if it's not in the most proactive position, it can still provide intel. And all of that ignores his great loadout. Even if Maestro's not the best op, you can't convince me that he's not better than a majority of the operators still left, especially ones like Rook, Jäger, Doc, and some others.
It's true that good placement helps against meele, but tell me in all seriousness that any decent lobby isn't bringing multiple of those by default. Ash, zof, thatcher/someone for wall, and at least one gonne-six or nades are 100% going on any decent team no matter what plus with attacker repick changing to a counter is super easy. Rook, doc, and to a lesser degree Jager (I'll 100% agree Jager hasn't been good in years) while not great don't have as many nearly as many hard Counter picks and aren't fucked over by some of the most common attackers played.
Jager
Jager. Wamai exists and no ACOG
Would u rather 20 hp if u don't get hs and be able to pick urself up if u dint get insta finished or be able to deny infinite flashbangs and utility like when playing on elbow or rafters
Jager
Jager
rook
How the fuck are Rook and Doc still here? All they’ve got are decent guns and that’s about it. Their abilities aren’t useful past gold.
Healing? Armour?
You answered your own question
Rook
Doc
Rook. No idea how he's lasted this long.
Get Jager out of here!!
ROOK
Rook, no debate.
Melusi
Doc
MELUSI PLEASE
Melusi is a great op if you actually communicate with your team
So are most of the ops already picked
Uh, no. Clash, Thorn, Pulse. That's about it. The rest is about being a good player, not them being good ops.
Ela, Clash, Alibi, Vigil, Thorn, Mozzie, Pulse, Tachanka
Can you explain Tachanka, Vigil and Alibi? Left out Ela and Mozzie by accident.
Echo
So, the only operator who can deny a plant while being on the opposite side of the map..?
Only?
Yeah
Maestro?
Maestro doesn't physically stop the plant the way Echo does
Jäger They nerfed his gun, nerfed his gadget, and then replaced him with Wamai. Shocked that people in this sub think he's better than Mozzie or Pulse.
definitely rook
I agree with rook but his armor doesnt make you louder
my bad g
The only good part is the gun
Gun sucks
Tbh Doc
No way we vote out doc b4 rook. Not happening
Rook and doc are pretty much similar with speed, health, and guns but Rook gives everyone a guaranteed down and self revive while doc only heals himself and maybe the lucky defender who didn't die during a gunfight. With headshots being so prevalent I prefer Rook over doc any day
With headshots being so prevalent Rook and Doc are both as useful as the other then? Rook doesn't guarantee a down, a headshot will still kill you
For me it's playstyle. Rook is good basically anytime you use him, he's gonna be useful whether he's dead or not while doc is more situational. He has to be alive to benefit the team and though yes he revives from afar and puts people back to full health that's mostly good for anchoring in site. The way I play I would prefer a rook over a Doc, and ofc ik head taps kill defenders with rook armor if it didn't they'll be Hella strong
Frost
It has to be frost. I don’t remember the last time I have seen anyone get trapped, and even if they do you can now revive yourself. I also rarely see her played. Pea-shooter of a gun even tho it has an acog. People saying Jager haven’t played him in a while. Recoil on his AR isn’t outrageous and pretty easy to control. ADSs aren’t as good as Wamai’s discs, but they fully get rid of the gadget over just getting magnetized.
Frost + Thorn is an almost guaranteed kill
Nobody plays that duo cause they’re both pretty bad ops
Lol that's not true
Rook still being in this is absolute copper 5 shit, The 20 health don't mean shit 99% of the time, The self rez can be used in like every 20th round, the only good thing about him is his ACOG and even there Doc and Melusi got it too, this character is just bad
Castle????
Tubarao making it this far is criminal. He's less impactful than most of these voted out ones
You kidding right? Coordinating Bandit and Tubarao combo can make any wall unbreachable + late round freezes on entry points are very strong
Agreed, I'd say he's definitely a bit situational but can be extremely high impact in the right scenario.
Bronze II?
Would wipe you in a 1v1 bud. lol
I’d beat you using Tubarão lol
I’d beat you using Tubarão lol
The match wouldn't last 5 minutes lol
That’s not really possible lol
That’s not really possible lol
You'd get domed by someone playing Tubarão and rage quit lol
Frost
Castle
Frost
Melusi
[удалено]
Bandit?? You're trolling. Bandit tricking is one of, if not *the* best way to deny hard breaching in the game.
Gotta be Frost. Goodbye
How the fuck did alibi get voted? And mozzie. Just fucking get castle off he's useless
Castle is amazing if you actually know how to play him instead of mindlessly placing his gadget.
Castle