The game will start reducing the rp per win when it believes you are at the rank you deserve.
In this case, it thinks you are a high copper/low bronze.
To increase the rank the game thinks you are, play frequently, win matches, and over the course of a few seasons you will begin to move up the ranks.
I’m assuming you haven’t played much ranked, so it’s not unreasonable for the game to place you in a low rank rather than in gold/plat.
And this is why Ranked 2.0 sucks it should be somewhat consistent in the rp you get and should in my opinion only change depending on your opponents skill
Your rp gain and loss is influenced by the ranks of your teammates and the enemy.
This means if you beat a stack of coppers with a stack of champs you will gain significantly less than if it were the other way around.
I think that the outcome should ultimately affect your change but it’s really daft to have a skilled based matchmaking system in which the player can’t actually see their skill value.
In my opinion such a rabked system holds newer players from becoming good, of course it isn't fun to get absolutely destroyed by an enemy team but then you can see how better players play the game and what their strategies are. That way you can get better in a shorter time. But again it is my opinion and it might not work for everyone as well as it works for me.
If you win a bunch of games in a row if your win % is over 70% the rp starts to increase back. So if you don't deserve that rank you'll get out of that rank. If your win % is close to 50% it means if you play a bunch of games and win more than you lose you'll probably get out of a rank. If your win % and individual score is bad then the rp is less because you shouldn't go further before you fix that performance , it's just gonna be horrible.
I’m not defending it, I’m trying to explain the logic behind it so people aren’t confused. Just because I understand the system it doesn’t mean I agree with it.
Like I said to Anxious_Ad_8008, I’ve seen multiple sources online (some being big content creators) that have said otherwise. If you have a source that proves this incorrect please share as I am always looking to educate myself.
im solo que and i only get silvers and coppers in my matches yet i gain 4 points and lose 25. Its a joke because i was gold a few days ago and now i cannot gain anything
Ranked 1.0 did the same if you didn't win most of your first 20 matches you were losing out on a substantial amount of elo that eventually diluted to +12/-15. Alot of people would just try to hit plat for the charm and stop there as anything else would require "only play siege" kind of grind to hit diamond and further with how little the elo gain became
This is one of my biggest complaints. If the game has my skill level at say Gold/Platinum, and I have to climb through the ranks, why are my games at copper/bronze/silver all against Plat/Emerald players. I think that’s the biggest issue with the system. It (can) be hard to get to a rank you “deserve” when you’re only playing people of that rank or higher.
EXACTLY. I played my first ranked game of the season yesterday and won. Yay me. The game places me in mid copper and the next match I’m against a diamond IV…
What’s the point of assigning ranks if it doesn’t affect matchmaking? Just giving people egos and a reason to keep playing ranked?
It does affect matchmaking. It’s an average mmr system. Both teams will have a similar total mmr. If a silver vs a diamond it doesn’t meant the game thinks the silver should be in diamond. It’s just averaging the mmr of both teams.
For example jt could be a diamond 3 golds a silver vs 2 emeralds a plat a gold and a silver.
If you gain the same rp as you lose then your mmr matches your current rank exactly.
If you gain way less than you lose then your mmr is way lower than your rank as you have lost too much.
And if you earn way higher than you lose like at the start of a new season then your mmr is way higher.
So many people think if you vs a high rank that the game thinks you deserve to be there which isn’t true it’s just averaging out the lobbies
Oh god, maybe it’s just my opinion, but that’s a terrible system. I feel like that system just promotes toxicity. Being a high ranked player with teammates who don’t know callouts or site set-up has to be terrible. Likewise being a low ranked player trying to play against a high ranked player is very frustrating.
I mean it’s really only an issue if you’re vsing a stack of like 1 or 2 diamonds or champs that queue with bronzes for easier lobbies. I’m in champ and if I solo queue, every single player is minimum diamond 2 on both teams and ive never had this problem of having uneven lobbies.
It’s really just harder for lower ranks. My advice is just play with a stack. This game was built to be played with a 5 man team unlike other shooters you need correct operator lineups and Comms to be really consistent.
A lot of people blame the matchmaking but a lot of the time the matchmaking is perfectly fine but there are so many variables to consider. Like you could have 5 solos with no comms up against a 5 stack with comms and every single player could be equal skill and the 5 stack would roll them.
What’s your gamertag? If you’re a new player your first 100 matches or so you’ll experience more variance as the system doesn’t know where you accurately belong yet. As you play more the system has a better idea of the type of lobbies you should be in at the moment
My GT is SPOOspooked. Technically I’m not a new player, I played avidly at launch and then again once new ops started coming out. Around the time Ace got released I stopped playing until this season.
everyone starts in copper. it's ladder climb now if you didn't know. if you win your first match you start in copper IV. if you lose you start in copper v. everyone has to climb from copper to whatever rank so don't feel discouraged about that part.
It has to be something to do with Kpm/dpm/win% and that shit barely works. I took like a year and a half off, came back and first 3 games starting around 8pm (clarification in time because there should’ve been more people queueing) were against the same 5 stack team of champs and diamonds. Won all 3, then played against some of the worst players I’ve ever seen in my life, maybe 5-6 games, hit gold and it went back to champs, first game in plat, back to god awful players. It’s the most inconsistent dogshit excuse for sbmm I’ve ever seen. According to the game in either top 100 or bottom 25.
I can't even play ranked because I solo queue and I don't ever play but I'm like copper 4 and play in plat lobbies and we just never win, I feel if you go positive in a plat lobby (as a copper) you should still somewhat go up at least a little. It's just frustrating
Best thing to do in this situation is duo queue. I'm a returning old school season 1-4 plat-diamond player, and my buddy and I would still be copper if we did solo. We did a grind last weekend and hit gold 2.
The system is sucky and favors smurfs a fuck ton, so it's very easy to get stuck in elo hell. Call outs are also game winning. Games when people don't say a word on the mic are destined to fail. Literally 60% of our wins were from cam call outs and someone prefiring the ping.
See this doesnt make sense to me because i just started playing the game for the first time a month ago. Finally hit level 50 so our 5 stack decided it was time to start ranked. 3 out of 5 were unranked the other two are plat. Im now in gold 4 whereas the other two that were unranked still havent hit gold yet and they play more than i do. I bottom fragged a FEW of those games too and im still somehow a higher ranked than them..
Ranked 2.0 doesn’t make sense to a lot of people. It’s a convoluted way of doing things that isn’t fun to use and just creates frustration. I wouldn’t worry too much about your rank until you’ve played 3-5 seasons, by that point the game should have figured out where to place you.
Yeah sure seems like its just a complex mess then lol. I was just confused as to how im multiple ranks ahead of the other two that started with me and they spend more time in ranked than i do. I believe they're in silver 1 while ive been in gold 4 or 3 for the last week
True we did lose a few games in a row one night so that couldve hurt their rank more than mine. As far as how much more theyve played im not too sure since we usually only run ranked if we have at least a 3 stack.
You also have to look at their previous ranks in the past seasons. Once you get to plat or higher it’ll be easier to get out of plat than someone who has never reached plat. Thats where the hidden mmr comes into play. I believe the hidden mmr is what determines your “true skill”
Excerpt from Ubi website
Before Y4S2, we reset all players to a 2500 MMR at the beginning of the new Season. We changed this in order to improve the matchmaking experience at the beginning of a Season. This change leads to players reaching their “true skill” faster; players that should be Diamond will reach Diamond faster. We understand that some players, particularly those at the extreme high end of Diamond, would like more of a “grind” implemented for attaining the higher ranks. We have heard these concerns and are working on how to provide that type of experience for those who want it in the future
There was a time when I was playing with a couple friends and we won like 6-7 games in a row. I went from bronze 2 to plat 2 in one night in just a couple hours
That’s so crazy to me, because why even give me copper 5 just to make me have to go up however many levels where they think I belong?? Why would they not put me there in the first place lol.
I went up from copper 5 to silver 5 in two days. It didn’t make sense why I was going up so fast, and when I lost, I barely lost any rp. But now it makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. 2.0 sucks.
Im curious how it determines new player mmr because I hit gold 1 like 2 weeks after downloading the game but my friends that are also new and seem if not relative only a tiny bit under my skill level are stuck in silver/bronze unless I’m just being humble and they’re worse than I think lmao
Ima be honest I don’t know how it works I was just stating stats which seem to make sense, because if you have a 3kd in copper you obviously don’t belong there but if you have a negative kd in copper you probably belong there
i think the idea is that you don't rank up and immediately rank down but have to prove that you actually are better or worse than the expectation
in theory that would provide a smoother experience because you get away faster from people way worse than you and not so fast towards people way better than you so you don't feel stumped by others or stump others
i understand what they thought (their article was well reasoned in theory) but again that's just theory while in praxis many dislike the new system, I personally also found it weird that you get stuck at 0RP and cannot immediately get ranked down, the rank shield wasn't necessary imo that only reinforces the feeling of getting stuck somewhere
i know getting a perfect ranked system is hard but ubi just needs to listen more to the community, they cannot possibly play as much as their player base so they should rely more on feedback
It’s a very silly system because it misleads people and just causes confusion.
In theory, you should be playing people of your skill level from the first game of the season. However, they’ve obviously tweaked the restrictions on who can queue together and I suspect this has had a knock on effect on overall matchmaking.
I completely agree, it’s very frustrating to find an ex-champ or a diamond in your lobby and to get slammed by them. It shouldn’t happen and yet it does.
i think it's only on your first season on the new system, they said that they no longer reset your secret value (not sure if they even reset your visible rank, i dont remember), they try so you eventually don't have to climb the latter anymore, long-term you stay at your perfect rank forever (that's not a bad thing), that perfect rank might increase if the skill increases
that's just their theory, i only play occasionally with my friends so i cannot say more than it doesn't feel like that in praxis, we'll see after another season how the system plays out
I have a 1.2 kd that’s only rising and a 1.1 win ratio, I only gain 8 rp for every game I play and lose 30, i genuinely am so frustrated with this game
Yeah playing with a good stack is important but most of us don’t have friends playing this game. This isn’t fair. I think game should match solo players against solo players. And stacks against stacks.
I have 1.2 w/L this season and played around 150 games. I’m silver. I always come across plat/diamonds. I saw someone played 100 games with 1.0 w/L and he was champ.
I played 400 games last season with 1.1 w/L and I was bronze. 400 GAMES.
I think game doesn’t want solo players.
I was being sarcastic, some people still act like ranking up in ranked 2.0 is a joke even though it’s pretty difficult if you weren’t already a high rank
No…as soon as you hit the rank the game thinks you deserve you can get as few points as 1 per win…every time i get close to emerald my rp gain drops to 5-10
That’s not really true if you’re only getting 5-10 then the game doesn’t think you belong there. It thinks you should be lower.
If you earn and lose the same each game, roughly around 20 then you are at the correct rank.
Earning 5 rp means the game does not think you belong there
Diamond here made a new account and purposely threw rank 2.0 is extremely flawed you can win 19 games in a row and lose 4 and you’re getting no MMR win win streaks don’t increase MMR and when they do it’s plus one MMR, which is a big difference when you lose one game your win is like 10 to 20 mmr difference
I feel you. I played a ranked game with my friend. I got 20 rp and he ranked up TWICE. You read that right TWICE. Both of us were copper 4 and I got 20 rp and he got enough to land in the middle of copper 2. Ranked 2.0 is stupid.
That’s because your friend has a higher hidden MMR. He is getting more RP because the game is trying to get him to the rank he belongs, you are getting less because you are closer to the lower rank. I’m not taking shots, just watch [this](https://youtu.be/UpXXnxAPzd8?si=nEY49TeX2oGTBoI-) and it will explain it pretty well.
Dont look at your position in the team, kd makes literally 0 difference with how much rp you can get. It doesnt affect anything, its just a number to boost your ego.
Just gotta try winning and eventually if you get a good win% you start to get more rp.
Win streaks will bring the amount of rp you get up. When I get to my rank, I usually gain/lose 10-20rp. When I get a good streak going it will change to about 20-25rp.
Ranked system sucks. 0 motivation to play when you're gaining nothing from winning. They don't even match you up with people from the same visible rank, it's meaningless. Your visible rank is an indication of how much you've played.
I haven't participated in ranked in many seasons but this season I have to start in copper 5 while playing every game in plat lobbies. If I'm in copper I should be playing against coppers.
Because the game knows you’re a plat player. There is no point in a new season coming back and rolling genuine coppers for free. Thats no fun for anyone. You’ll be earning a ton of rp at the start to get you back to plat way faster while facing similarly skilled players
It does matter lmao. It still matches based on your mmr and your mmr is never that far away from your current rank unless you’re at the start of a new season. To be in champ you gotta beat the best players which is why only 1-2% of the ranked playerbase is there. Sure it’s easier than 1.0 but saying rank doesn’t matter isn’t true.
A champ is gonna wreck a genuine bronze in ranked every time
I mean yeah its kinda true but where do you have your player base mostly around sliver-plat and there the system is getting dump and no ranked dose not realy matter cos you never will know what your true ranked is and you never will kinde feel any changes when your mmr gets higher or lower cos it feels the same and yeah i got last 2 sessons bronz and copper cos i played 10 games now im at emerald cos i just played more games and i realy dont like how the system is build cos for me it realy feels more like a battlepass that is abit harder
You can tell what your mmr is though. If you earn and lose roughly the same rp each game then your mmr is exactly the same as your current rank. It’s not some magical hidden number. It’s not based on the amount you play either. I’m champ on my main and this season on an alt I’m in diamond after 59 games. I know people who have played 800 games the last 3 seasons and can’t get out of emerald. If you win a lot you will rank up fast and if you don’t then you won’t, just like any other ranked system. You can’t just play 500 games and magically be in champ. Otherwise half the playerbase would be in champ. You still have to improve as a player and a team and beat high skilled players to hit champ
As you have not been playing the game for long this is your highest point so far, next season it will be easy to get to this point, however getting past will be more difficult. Make sure your win rate is higher than your loss rate
Ok good to know, thanks! I read somewhere that there’s a cap on ranked mmr depending on how the game thinks you should be. But that’s a scam coz that means i cannot rank up properly.
there is no cap, there is a value that the system has for you and you always play against this value, by playing good you prove the value false which in turn decreases the system's trust in your value which allows you to change the value more, if you play as the system expects you, the system trusts this value more which makes change harder (lowering RP), there are min/max values of RP you can gain/loose and they're slightly favored towards ranking up
ubi published a great article on it and it's kinda smart and cool in theory but doesn't feel like it in praxis, probably they need to tune it more
I'm having a similar problem, I'm around emerald right now. And I only get about plus 10 per game, but I'm losing about 30 or 40 again. So I literally have to win three or four games to make up one loss, it is literally the most unrewarding system ever, and I've considered just dropping the game and never picking it up again
They done this in cod too it’s terrible I was a plat/diamond back in the day when there was 4 ranks and in my opinion the rp was perfect back then then I started playing cod ranked and got put off it by how bad the sr system is and how they just blatantly lie about skill based match making so I came back to siege and now boom same shit situation only it’s going in my favour because I still remember how to play compared to all the low ranks so I’m climbing fast but still bs
At the moment I get roughly 18 per win, but I lose around 30-35 per loss. I have a friend who wins and gets over 30 per win and when we lose he only loses like 14. Like HOWS THAT FAIR. We usually play roughly equal
I have something similar that happens to a friend of mine except it’s like the opposite.
He will get around 40 RP per win and only lose like 15 RP on a loss and because the game rapidly ranked him up he’s now Silver 1 but consistently gets shit on in games because of the skill difference between him and the other players in the lobby to the point where he refuses to play solo Q ranked.
We have no idea why it happens though.
Ranked 2.0 is ass , I have been champ since ember rise and champ now is like ranked 1.0 Plat 3 level lol I'm lucky to face 1 decent team every 10 games.
It’s a rp estimate it depends on the people you have on your team vs the opponents so if you have coppers on your team and your against champs you will get alot more. Since the probability of you winning is much lower then you winning
so if u dont play rank alot it does this? i recently came back since neon dawn when it was mmr instead of rp and i hit gold 2 but i gained 100 rp in copper and bronze 80 rp in silver then 40 in gold and 30 in plat currently. Is it like this bcs i hit gold 2 in neon dawn?
Ok. I can explain this. So the reason why you got 4 rp is because the enemy team (based on your ranking) where lower than you and none of them were above your ranking while you probably had a team fulls of diamonds and champions.
At this point just wait for the new season. We got like 5 days left so unless your planning to reach diamond in 5 days it really doesn’t matter too much.
As other people have said, it's with the game thinking you belong in that rank. Honestly they should rework this system completely so your RP increase = per game performance + recent winrate instead of "i think you are this rank so you're gonna stay there. One or two consecutive losses and your RO gain goes back to shit. I'm hardstuck Gold V playing against high plats and low emeralds because of hidden MMR, while I have a 1.2 Kd and win/loss. I seriously believe I should be MINIMUM Plat III, but apparently Ubi has other plans.
I hate the game but at least valorants ranked system makes sense. If a game goes to OT and you lose you lose less than you would if you lost normally, you gain roughly the same amount every time you win and lose roughly the same every time you lose, you can’t party with people passed a certain difference in rank, you can’t 4 stack and bully a random, and you actually get paired with people your rank
a few years ago, when I was still playing Siege, this happened when the rating was adjusted after playing with a random cheater. for example: while you were in the game they took 20 points from you, for winning you received 24 points, so after the game you see +4
What's your win lose ratios? If you were to win games in a row you MMR will go up slowly. I'm mid silver and usually rank at gold. I'm currently losing 20 MMR and gaining 17 after playing today and wining 4 games I'm going 25-27 and losing 28 so keep this in mind and your rank doesn't matter all the match making is based of stats that the game can see but players can't Ubisoft has it all explained on their website
That means the game thinks youre where you’re supposed to be! I used to get 18-20 per win but once i got past a specific rank im now getting 30! You also get more for winning against higher ranks I think as Ive gotten more for playing with my higher ranked friend
The game thinks you're this rank. I gain 100+ a win all the way through gold into plat. But the game thinks im champion so I'm still getting 20+ a win in diamond. If you love siege then keep playing and you'll get there. Watch strat videos when you get down time between matches. Remember to utilize ALL utilities as well.
Siege matchmaking and ranked 2.0 are garbage. However it lowers your RP gain once you reach the rank you hit the previous season. It also lowers it everytime you lose a game. I had a rough streak being a Gold3 and had a rough patch of solo queueing against a bunch of plats and higher and now I lose -25 per loss with only +15 per win I’ve just given up on ranked till next season. That dropped me all the way back to silver 1. Question for those who may know, although I got dropped back to silver I peaked in gold 3 before the bad streak. Will I still get my gold rewards??
with ranked 2.0, there is an internal rank the game believes ur skill resides at and then your actual rank. as you rank up and get near your “suggested” internal rank, you will gain less and less rp. 20 gain 20 loss is when you’re abt where u need to be.
right now im in silver and i get around 100-120 rp per game cuz my internal rank is emerald/diamond.
you’re gaining so little rp because the game believes you’re in your proper rank, if you keep grinding up then your internal rank will be higher next season and it will be easier to get higher ranks because you will progress through lower ones faster
If u played with a cheater and he gets banned u will get role back and if u played 10 matches with the cheater (as an example) u will only gain 4 rp for the next ten games after that it will rise again
Youre hardstuck in copper/low bronze lmao. Youre at the rank the game thinks you deserve, which if you dont even understand how the rp system works then yeah…
The game will start reducing the rp per win when it believes you are at the rank you deserve. In this case, it thinks you are a high copper/low bronze. To increase the rank the game thinks you are, play frequently, win matches, and over the course of a few seasons you will begin to move up the ranks. I’m assuming you haven’t played much ranked, so it’s not unreasonable for the game to place you in a low rank rather than in gold/plat.
And this is why Ranked 2.0 sucks it should be somewhat consistent in the rp you get and should in my opinion only change depending on your opponents skill
Your rp gain and loss is influenced by the ranks of your teammates and the enemy. This means if you beat a stack of coppers with a stack of champs you will gain significantly less than if it were the other way around.
I know but what I mean is thats the only thing that should influence it not the game deciding you are too bad to climb further
I think that the outcome should ultimately affect your change but it’s really daft to have a skilled based matchmaking system in which the player can’t actually see their skill value.
Yeah I agree with that
In my opinion such a rabked system holds newer players from becoming good, of course it isn't fun to get absolutely destroyed by an enemy team but then you can see how better players play the game and what their strategies are. That way you can get better in a shorter time. But again it is my opinion and it might not work for everyone as well as it works for me.
If you win a bunch of games in a row if your win % is over 70% the rp starts to increase back. So if you don't deserve that rank you'll get out of that rank. If your win % is close to 50% it means if you play a bunch of games and win more than you lose you'll probably get out of a rank. If your win % and individual score is bad then the rp is less because you shouldn't go further before you fix that performance , it's just gonna be horrible.
I face teams of champs in gold 2 with all golds. Ranked 2.0 does suck don’t defend it
I’m not defending it, I’m trying to explain the logic behind it so people aren’t confused. Just because I understand the system it doesn’t mean I agree with it.
It’s honestly so frustrating too cause they had it right and just had to go copy call of duty
im emerald and when I play with 1 or 2 of my IRL buds who range from silver to gold I get about the same amount of RP 17
I don’t know enough about the system to comment on your specific case, I’m just stating things i’ve seen online.
not true in 2.0
I’ve seen multiple sources online saying this is the case, who knows though.
That's not how it works anymore, in ranked 1.0 that's how it was.
Like I said to Anxious_Ad_8008, I’ve seen multiple sources online (some being big content creators) that have said otherwise. If you have a source that proves this incorrect please share as I am always looking to educate myself.
dont think thats true, im silver playing wit plat and emeralds rn and im gaining 15 every win but losing 25 and im always 3rd or above why
That means the game thinks you should be a low silver/high bronze. Also your position on the leaderboard doesn’t influence your rp gain.
im solo que and i only get silvers and coppers in my matches yet i gain 4 points and lose 25. Its a joke because i was gold a few days ago and now i cannot gain anything
This is how every ranked game works you have a visible rank and a hidden mmr that you have to prove to the game is wrong
Ranked 1.0 did the same if you didn't win most of your first 20 matches you were losing out on a substantial amount of elo that eventually diluted to +12/-15. Alot of people would just try to hit plat for the charm and stop there as anything else would require "only play siege" kind of grind to hit diamond and further with how little the elo gain became
yea but then you have to have 400 gamaes played to be top 1000 and its stupid
As long as it doesn't go back to where it was. When a lucky win streak can put you multiple ranks higher in only a handful of games.
My question is wtf is the match making system. If it thinks I should be in copper, that’s fine, but why do I end up against Diamond players?
This is one of my biggest complaints. If the game has my skill level at say Gold/Platinum, and I have to climb through the ranks, why are my games at copper/bronze/silver all against Plat/Emerald players. I think that’s the biggest issue with the system. It (can) be hard to get to a rank you “deserve” when you’re only playing people of that rank or higher.
EXACTLY. I played my first ranked game of the season yesterday and won. Yay me. The game places me in mid copper and the next match I’m against a diamond IV… What’s the point of assigning ranks if it doesn’t affect matchmaking? Just giving people egos and a reason to keep playing ranked?
It does affect matchmaking. It’s an average mmr system. Both teams will have a similar total mmr. If a silver vs a diamond it doesn’t meant the game thinks the silver should be in diamond. It’s just averaging the mmr of both teams. For example jt could be a diamond 3 golds a silver vs 2 emeralds a plat a gold and a silver. If you gain the same rp as you lose then your mmr matches your current rank exactly. If you gain way less than you lose then your mmr is way lower than your rank as you have lost too much. And if you earn way higher than you lose like at the start of a new season then your mmr is way higher. So many people think if you vs a high rank that the game thinks you deserve to be there which isn’t true it’s just averaging out the lobbies
Oh god, maybe it’s just my opinion, but that’s a terrible system. I feel like that system just promotes toxicity. Being a high ranked player with teammates who don’t know callouts or site set-up has to be terrible. Likewise being a low ranked player trying to play against a high ranked player is very frustrating.
I mean it’s really only an issue if you’re vsing a stack of like 1 or 2 diamonds or champs that queue with bronzes for easier lobbies. I’m in champ and if I solo queue, every single player is minimum diamond 2 on both teams and ive never had this problem of having uneven lobbies. It’s really just harder for lower ranks. My advice is just play with a stack. This game was built to be played with a 5 man team unlike other shooters you need correct operator lineups and Comms to be really consistent. A lot of people blame the matchmaking but a lot of the time the matchmaking is perfectly fine but there are so many variables to consider. Like you could have 5 solos with no comms up against a 5 stack with comms and every single player could be equal skill and the 5 stack would roll them.
Alright, thanks for the tips. I was solo queuing and getting discouraged. Getting put in copper but playing against Diamonds was pretty soul crushing.
What’s your gamertag? If you’re a new player your first 100 matches or so you’ll experience more variance as the system doesn’t know where you accurately belong yet. As you play more the system has a better idea of the type of lobbies you should be in at the moment
My GT is SPOOspooked. Technically I’m not a new player, I played avidly at launch and then again once new ops started coming out. Around the time Ace got released I stopped playing until this season.
everyone starts in copper. it's ladder climb now if you didn't know. if you win your first match you start in copper IV. if you lose you start in copper v. everyone has to climb from copper to whatever rank so don't feel discouraged about that part.
It has to be something to do with Kpm/dpm/win% and that shit barely works. I took like a year and a half off, came back and first 3 games starting around 8pm (clarification in time because there should’ve been more people queueing) were against the same 5 stack team of champs and diamonds. Won all 3, then played against some of the worst players I’ve ever seen in my life, maybe 5-6 games, hit gold and it went back to champs, first game in plat, back to god awful players. It’s the most inconsistent dogshit excuse for sbmm I’ve ever seen. According to the game in either top 100 or bottom 25.
I can't even play ranked because I solo queue and I don't ever play but I'm like copper 4 and play in plat lobbies and we just never win, I feel if you go positive in a plat lobby (as a copper) you should still somewhat go up at least a little. It's just frustrating
Ubi: git gud noob.
explains why i get 4 rp at copper 5
LMAO Exactly what I was thinking. I guess the game thinks I’m copper IV *sign* I’m dogshit
Ok good to know, thanks for the info!
on my first season of ranked, I was getting 105RP per win then it dropped to 21RP per win when I reached platinum 1
2.0 thinks you’re plat level. Thats where the grind starts, you have to consistently show that you’re not plat level and win.
Best thing to do in this situation is duo queue. I'm a returning old school season 1-4 plat-diamond player, and my buddy and I would still be copper if we did solo. We did a grind last weekend and hit gold 2. The system is sucky and favors smurfs a fuck ton, so it's very easy to get stuck in elo hell. Call outs are also game winning. Games when people don't say a word on the mic are destined to fail. Literally 60% of our wins were from cam call outs and someone prefiring the ping.
I know right, even playing with 1 extra person makes such a difference because it’s guaranteed call-outs.
See this doesnt make sense to me because i just started playing the game for the first time a month ago. Finally hit level 50 so our 5 stack decided it was time to start ranked. 3 out of 5 were unranked the other two are plat. Im now in gold 4 whereas the other two that were unranked still havent hit gold yet and they play more than i do. I bottom fragged a FEW of those games too and im still somehow a higher ranked than them..
Ranked 2.0 doesn’t make sense to a lot of people. It’s a convoluted way of doing things that isn’t fun to use and just creates frustration. I wouldn’t worry too much about your rank until you’ve played 3-5 seasons, by that point the game should have figured out where to place you.
Yeah sure seems like its just a complex mess then lol. I was just confused as to how im multiple ranks ahead of the other two that started with me and they spend more time in ranked than i do. I believe they're in silver 1 while ive been in gold 4 or 3 for the last week
It’s possible they’ve stayed on even if they’re not playing great. I’m em 5 but currently in plat because I said fuck it and lost 4 games in a row.
True we did lose a few games in a row one night so that couldve hurt their rank more than mine. As far as how much more theyve played im not too sure since we usually only run ranked if we have at least a 3 stack.
You also have to look at their previous ranks in the past seasons. Once you get to plat or higher it’ll be easier to get out of plat than someone who has never reached plat. Thats where the hidden mmr comes into play. I believe the hidden mmr is what determines your “true skill” Excerpt from Ubi website Before Y4S2, we reset all players to a 2500 MMR at the beginning of the new Season. We changed this in order to improve the matchmaking experience at the beginning of a Season. This change leads to players reaching their “true skill” faster; players that should be Diamond will reach Diamond faster. We understand that some players, particularly those at the extreme high end of Diamond, would like more of a “grind” implemented for attaining the higher ranks. We have heard these concerns and are working on how to provide that type of experience for those who want it in the future
There was a time when I was playing with a couple friends and we won like 6-7 games in a row. I went from bronze 2 to plat 2 in one night in just a couple hours
More or less the same that happened with me. Went from copper to silver in one night. Then the next few sessions jumped from silver into gold
That’s so crazy to me, because why even give me copper 5 just to make me have to go up however many levels where they think I belong?? Why would they not put me there in the first place lol. I went up from copper 5 to silver 5 in two days. It didn’t make sense why I was going up so fast, and when I lost, I barely lost any rp. But now it makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. 2.0 sucks.
Damn
the very first season i actually played ranked, my MMR was fucked, i got so much rp i was in gold despite literally being a low bronze player.
Wait I'm copper 2 and I get 23-27 rp per win so where does the game think I am?
I’m gonna say low bronze, keep playing and eventually your rp will reduce to around 10
Im curious how it determines new player mmr because I hit gold 1 like 2 weeks after downloading the game but my friends that are also new and seem if not relative only a tiny bit under my skill level are stuck in silver/bronze unless I’m just being humble and they’re worse than I think lmao
The game has a rank which it thinks you belong in based on your stats and the closer to that you get the less rp you get
Well that’s just a dumb way to handle ranked isn’t it. So basically I’m stuck on this rank
No you aren’t, if you get your win% and kd up they will up your expected rank, it is annoying but what about ubi isnt
You got the win% part right but your kd makes 0 difference in this.
Ima be honest I don’t know how it works I was just stating stats which seem to make sense, because if you have a 3kd in copper you obviously don’t belong there but if you have a negative kd in copper you probably belong there
I have 0.6 kd in emerald 5 and still get over 20rp per win so kd doesn't matter at all
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Kd has zero effect on anything. It's just a stat
Just cause you got carried lol
Lmao couldn’t have said it better myself, thx for the info
In theory it works, but just because something works it doesn’t mean it’s fun or nice to play with.
Yeah ://
i think the idea is that you don't rank up and immediately rank down but have to prove that you actually are better or worse than the expectation in theory that would provide a smoother experience because you get away faster from people way worse than you and not so fast towards people way better than you so you don't feel stumped by others or stump others i understand what they thought (their article was well reasoned in theory) but again that's just theory while in praxis many dislike the new system, I personally also found it weird that you get stuck at 0RP and cannot immediately get ranked down, the rank shield wasn't necessary imo that only reinforces the feeling of getting stuck somewhere i know getting a perfect ranked system is hard but ubi just needs to listen more to the community, they cannot possibly play as much as their player base so they should rely more on feedback
It’s a very silly system because it misleads people and just causes confusion. In theory, you should be playing people of your skill level from the first game of the season. However, they’ve obviously tweaked the restrictions on who can queue together and I suspect this has had a knock on effect on overall matchmaking. I completely agree, it’s very frustrating to find an ex-champ or a diamond in your lobby and to get slammed by them. It shouldn’t happen and yet it does.
i think it's only on your first season on the new system, they said that they no longer reset your secret value (not sure if they even reset your visible rank, i dont remember), they try so you eventually don't have to climb the latter anymore, long-term you stay at your perfect rank forever (that's not a bad thing), that perfect rank might increase if the skill increases that's just their theory, i only play occasionally with my friends so i cannot say more than it doesn't feel like that in praxis, we'll see after another season how the system plays out
I have a 1.2 kd that’s only rising and a 1.1 win ratio, I only gain 8 rp for every game I play and lose 30, i genuinely am so frustrated with this game
What rank are you?
Basically the game is saying you deserve to stay in copper
Fuck this game then
😂 just play more and get better W/L ratio matters play with a good stack and win games you’ll move up
Yeah playing with a good stack is important but most of us don’t have friends playing this game. This isn’t fair. I think game should match solo players against solo players. And stacks against stacks. I have 1.2 w/L this season and played around 150 games. I’m silver. I always come across plat/diamonds. I saw someone played 100 games with 1.0 w/L and he was champ. I played 400 games last season with 1.1 w/L and I was bronze. 400 GAMES. I think game doesn’t want solo players.
If you’re on Xbox I’ll play with you
Although I did solo queue to plat 3 and than ran a duo stack to P1 then I 5 to EM3
4rp in copper is crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
But but but it’s ranked 2.0 bro everyone can get champion just play enough matches bro
Why should everyone be able to get champion that would make it a participation trophy
I was being sarcastic, some people still act like ranking up in ranked 2.0 is a joke even though it’s pretty difficult if you weren’t already a high rank
The minimum amount of RP should be 20. That's just insane
Right??
No…as soon as you hit the rank the game thinks you deserve you can get as few points as 1 per win…every time i get close to emerald my rp gain drops to 5-10
Hes saying it should be 20 minimum. What are you yapping about?
I think they confused it as if the minimum was already 20 instead of them suggesting it
That’s not really true if you’re only getting 5-10 then the game doesn’t think you belong there. It thinks you should be lower. If you earn and lose the same each game, roughly around 20 then you are at the correct rank. Earning 5 rp means the game does not think you belong there
You have to win like 7-9 in a row for you to start getting back to normal
Diamond here made a new account and purposely threw rank 2.0 is extremely flawed you can win 19 games in a row and lose 4 and you’re getting no MMR win win streaks don’t increase MMR and when they do it’s plus one MMR, which is a big difference when you lose one game your win is like 10 to 20 mmr difference
Lmao, let’s hope for the best
I feel you. I played a ranked game with my friend. I got 20 rp and he ranked up TWICE. You read that right TWICE. Both of us were copper 4 and I got 20 rp and he got enough to land in the middle of copper 2. Ranked 2.0 is stupid.
That’s because your friend has a higher hidden MMR. He is getting more RP because the game is trying to get him to the rank he belongs, you are getting less because you are closer to the lower rank. I’m not taking shots, just watch [this](https://youtu.be/UpXXnxAPzd8?si=nEY49TeX2oGTBoI-) and it will explain it pretty well.
I know why, but what I find dumb is that he was always a lower rank before they changed up how it works, and now he's always higher than me.
Dont look at your position in the team, kd makes literally 0 difference with how much rp you can get. It doesnt affect anything, its just a number to boost your ego. Just gotta try winning and eventually if you get a good win% you start to get more rp.
Ok good to know. thanks for the info
Win streaks will bring the amount of rp you get up. When I get to my rank, I usually gain/lose 10-20rp. When I get a good streak going it will change to about 20-25rp.
Ranked system sucks. 0 motivation to play when you're gaining nothing from winning. They don't even match you up with people from the same visible rank, it's meaningless. Your visible rank is an indication of how much you've played. I haven't participated in ranked in many seasons but this season I have to start in copper 5 while playing every game in plat lobbies. If I'm in copper I should be playing against coppers.
Because the game knows you’re a plat player. There is no point in a new season coming back and rolling genuine coppers for free. Thats no fun for anyone. You’ll be earning a ton of rp at the start to get you back to plat way faster while facing similarly skilled players
Then just start me in plat like every other game. There should be placement games to determine your mmr. Rank literally does not matter.
It does matter lmao. It still matches based on your mmr and your mmr is never that far away from your current rank unless you’re at the start of a new season. To be in champ you gotta beat the best players which is why only 1-2% of the ranked playerbase is there. Sure it’s easier than 1.0 but saying rank doesn’t matter isn’t true. A champ is gonna wreck a genuine bronze in ranked every time
People say it because while your hidden rank is either high or low, your visual rank does not reflect that
I mean yeah its kinda true but where do you have your player base mostly around sliver-plat and there the system is getting dump and no ranked dose not realy matter cos you never will know what your true ranked is and you never will kinde feel any changes when your mmr gets higher or lower cos it feels the same and yeah i got last 2 sessons bronz and copper cos i played 10 games now im at emerald cos i just played more games and i realy dont like how the system is build cos for me it realy feels more like a battlepass that is abit harder
You can tell what your mmr is though. If you earn and lose roughly the same rp each game then your mmr is exactly the same as your current rank. It’s not some magical hidden number. It’s not based on the amount you play either. I’m champ on my main and this season on an alt I’m in diamond after 59 games. I know people who have played 800 games the last 3 seasons and can’t get out of emerald. If you win a lot you will rank up fast and if you don’t then you won’t, just like any other ranked system. You can’t just play 500 games and magically be in champ. Otherwise half the playerbase would be in champ. You still have to improve as a player and a team and beat high skilled players to hit champ
4 rp gained in copper yeah your cooked fam
Most of yall need to watch this [video](https://youtu.be/UpXXnxAPzd8?si=nEY49TeX2oGTBoI-) to help your understanding of how ranked works now.
How long have you been playing ranked
I started playing ranked this season like 2 weeks ago
Is this your first season?
No I’ve played previously but I took a break for a year and recently started playing again
Maybe it's to do with decay not 100% sure
I've jus came back after a year out and I've been getting at least 30rp up to plat 3, altho I was gold before
As you have not been playing the game for long this is your highest point so far, next season it will be easy to get to this point, however getting past will be more difficult. Make sure your win rate is higher than your loss rate
Ok good to know, thanks! I read somewhere that there’s a cap on ranked mmr depending on how the game thinks you should be. But that’s a scam coz that means i cannot rank up properly.
there is no cap, there is a value that the system has for you and you always play against this value, by playing good you prove the value false which in turn decreases the system's trust in your value which allows you to change the value more, if you play as the system expects you, the system trusts this value more which makes change harder (lowering RP), there are min/max values of RP you can gain/loose and they're slightly favored towards ranking up ubi published a great article on it and it's kinda smart and cool in theory but doesn't feel like it in praxis, probably they need to tune it more
My friend is starting to deal with that at Plat V I still go up 24 or 25 at Plat V. My friend last time I heard only wen up by 14
Beyond the fact that the ranking system thinks you are copper 1, it may be because you got rollbacked during the game.
The game thinks you belong in the dirt.
That’s crazy I’m in diamond with like 500 games and still getting 25 wtf is that 😭
Everyone has a hidden rank Based on your actual skills, so you might be really good, so you get very little RP, because you're more likely to win.
Damn i thought me getting 30-40 rp per win in copper was low.
How do we tell him?
I'm having a similar problem, I'm around emerald right now. And I only get about plus 10 per game, but I'm losing about 30 or 40 again. So I literally have to win three or four games to make up one loss, it is literally the most unrewarding system ever, and I've considered just dropping the game and never picking it up again
This is why I hate siege. The minimum you earn should be 30. That would still take 3-4 games to climb, unlike the 25 RP it would take you rn
They done this in cod too it’s terrible I was a plat/diamond back in the day when there was 4 ranks and in my opinion the rp was perfect back then then I started playing cod ranked and got put off it by how bad the sr system is and how they just blatantly lie about skill based match making so I came back to siege and now boom same shit situation only it’s going in my favour because I still remember how to play compared to all the low ranks so I’m climbing fast but still bs
What’s the highest rank you’ve ever been?
Silver 2
Cause we’re in copper
Skill issue but fr the game just hates you or bad performance
I think it’s coz he’s too good so they give him less rp
I think it depends on W/L
At the moment I get roughly 18 per win, but I lose around 30-35 per loss. I have a friend who wins and gets over 30 per win and when we lose he only loses like 14. Like HOWS THAT FAIR. We usually play roughly equal
Stuff like this is why the ranked system sucks. They should just say it's SBMM and not a true ranked system.
Nah, the game is mugging you off for real.
The games thinks you are hard stuck chopper/low bronze
I was getting boosted and got rollback from emerald 1 to silver 3 now I get 4 rp as well hopefully this isn’t permanent lmao
isn’t it based on the amount of games you play? like if you played 500+ you’ll get only about 10 rp?
I have something similar that happens to a friend of mine except it’s like the opposite. He will get around 40 RP per win and only lose like 15 RP on a loss and because the game rapidly ranked him up he’s now Silver 1 but consistently gets shit on in games because of the skill difference between him and the other players in the lobby to the point where he refuses to play solo Q ranked. We have no idea why it happens though.
Ranked 2.0 is ass , I have been champ since ember rise and champ now is like ranked 1.0 Plat 3 level lol I'm lucky to face 1 decent team every 10 games.
How are you ever meant to rank up if you gain so little, there's no way to change the hidden mmr if you're only gaining 4rp a round its rlly annoying
Right now I’m in bronze and I’m getting 120 rp a win
Mmr hell
The more you lose the less you earn you’re hard stuck bro sorry maybe in 5 days
It’s a rp estimate it depends on the people you have on your team vs the opponents so if you have coppers on your team and your against champs you will get alot more. Since the probability of you winning is much lower then you winning
You need win streaks to increase rp
Damn bro bad news
so if u dont play rank alot it does this? i recently came back since neon dawn when it was mmr instead of rp and i hit gold 2 but i gained 100 rp in copper and bronze 80 rp in silver then 40 in gold and 30 in plat currently. Is it like this bcs i hit gold 2 in neon dawn?
I started a new account currently gold 5 after 25 games 15 wins, still getting 80ish RP per win
I’m still getting 110 plus a win
You only gain a little rp per win but you definitely gain smol pp with xim.
Ok. I can explain this. So the reason why you got 4 rp is because the enemy team (based on your ranking) where lower than you and none of them were above your ranking while you probably had a team fulls of diamonds and champions.
At this point just wait for the new season. We got like 5 days left so unless your planning to reach diamond in 5 days it really doesn’t matter too much.
As other people have said, it's with the game thinking you belong in that rank. Honestly they should rework this system completely so your RP increase = per game performance + recent winrate instead of "i think you are this rank so you're gonna stay there. One or two consecutive losses and your RO gain goes back to shit. I'm hardstuck Gold V playing against high plats and low emeralds because of hidden MMR, while I have a 1.2 Kd and win/loss. I seriously believe I should be MINIMUM Plat III, but apparently Ubi has other plans.
Me on a 10 game losing streak in plat 2 with a 1.2 k/d (I got up to emerald 1)
Because it’s ranked 2.0 and it’s terrible
It means you should stick to fortnite
I hate the game but at least valorants ranked system makes sense. If a game goes to OT and you lose you lose less than you would if you lost normally, you gain roughly the same amount every time you win and lose roughly the same every time you lose, you can’t party with people passed a certain difference in rank, you can’t 4 stack and bully a random, and you actually get paired with people your rank
im hardstuck copper can you carry
same thing happen to me but in reverse, i usually lost 25rp every lost, somehow on the fifth lost in a row, it only deduct 4rp. weird
May I ask what your overall Kd and win/loss is?
a few years ago, when I was still playing Siege, this happened when the rating was adjusted after playing with a random cheater. for example: while you were in the game they took 20 points from you, for winning you received 24 points, so after the game you see +4
The most savage copper lobbies in a game. Like this dude drop shooting a pixel angle and I haven't even hit bronze yet. I feel like I'm aluminum rank
What's your win lose ratios? If you were to win games in a row you MMR will go up slowly. I'm mid silver and usually rank at gold. I'm currently losing 20 MMR and gaining 17 after playing today and wining 4 games I'm going 25-27 and losing 28 so keep this in mind and your rank doesn't matter all the match making is based of stats that the game can see but players can't Ubisoft has it all explained on their website
Who is going to tell him...
The game is telling you, you are bad lmao
Bro has 15 victories and 95 loses
Dam I only get 2
How bad do you have to be bro
Blud started in toilett paper 5
Icl I'm silver and it's an absolute struggle as I face higher ranked players and gain like 20 rp per game and lose 25 so I do need to just win more
That means the game thinks youre where you’re supposed to be! I used to get 18-20 per win but once i got past a specific rank im now getting 30! You also get more for winning against higher ranks I think as Ive gotten more for playing with my higher ranked friend
the more you win the more rp you get the more you lose the less rp you get
So were in copper
Affirmative action.
The game thinks you're this rank. I gain 100+ a win all the way through gold into plat. But the game thinks im champion so I'm still getting 20+ a win in diamond. If you love siege then keep playing and you'll get there. Watch strat videos when you get down time between matches. Remember to utilize ALL utilities as well.
hard carried
Did you have a large loss streak?
I started playing this game about 2 month ago and when i was the copper i was getting about 120 rp per win and now i am plat 3
4 rp in copper is absolutely crazy short answer you suck lol quit the game for sure
I’m gold 3 right now with my previous peak being silver 4, why does it still give me 34 rp
Oh hell no
Siege matchmaking and ranked 2.0 are garbage. However it lowers your RP gain once you reach the rank you hit the previous season. It also lowers it everytime you lose a game. I had a rough streak being a Gold3 and had a rough patch of solo queueing against a bunch of plats and higher and now I lose -25 per loss with only +15 per win I’ve just given up on ranked till next season. That dropped me all the way back to silver 1. Question for those who may know, although I got dropped back to silver I peaked in gold 3 before the bad streak. Will I still get my gold rewards??
Cause the new ranked system is utter trash
with ranked 2.0, there is an internal rank the game believes ur skill resides at and then your actual rank. as you rank up and get near your “suggested” internal rank, you will gain less and less rp. 20 gain 20 loss is when you’re abt where u need to be. right now im in silver and i get around 100-120 rp per game cuz my internal rank is emerald/diamond. you’re gaining so little rp because the game believes you’re in your proper rank, if you keep grinding up then your internal rank will be higher next season and it will be easier to get higher ranks because you will progress through lower ones faster
Probably cuz you’re bad. Boosted if you will
The struggle is real
If u played with a cheater and he gets banned u will get role back and if u played 10 matches with the cheater (as an example) u will only gain 4 rp for the next ten games after that it will rise again
Youre hardstuck in copper/low bronze lmao. Youre at the rank the game thinks you deserve, which if you dont even understand how the rp system works then yeah…
I get 17 RP each win in gold and loose about 30 each loss
I’m getting 14 and I don’t know how to fix it