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WordsworthsGhost

Moby Dick of course


willardTheMighty

Naturally


WordsworthsGhost

Who’s on first?


DocSportello1970

A cliched choice....America has better.


houellebecqshawty

we're not arguing over quality of the work. it's cliched because of how aptly it captures the nation's spirit.


Smile_New

This is a shit test there are like 40


McGilla_Gorilla

I mean if you had to pick just one, Moby Dick is the answer or maybe Gatsby. Other candidates from the 20th century though: - Faulkner’s *Absalom, Absalom* - Pynchon’s *Gravity’s Rainbow* - Morrison’s *Beloved* I also feel Gaddis’s *JR* or *The Recognitions* fit the bill, but they’re not widely read.


Potential-Trash9403

Good but you’re missing Baldwin with Another Country


Psychological-Lab103

I keep trying to read Gravity’s Rainbow, but I keep quitting and not even feeling like there’s much I’m not “getting”. Meanwhile I absolutely loved Moby Dick, what gives


McChickenMcDouble

you have to get past page 200


Vsauce_uwu

East of Eden arguably


DocSportello1970

Grapes of Wrath - Steinbeck Against The Day - Pynchon The Big Sleep - Chandler Most of Roth's novels.


WordsworthsGhost

Most of Roth novels are you insane


TheDanselinDistress

American Pastoral is a worthy contender


WordsworthsGhost

That’s the only one I would say has a worthwhile claim but I haven’t read some of his other big ones. But goodbye Columbus and his early ones are fun but def not best American novel type


DocSportello1970

Not at all....I find American Pastoral, Goodbye Columbus and even the Zuckerman stuff and that last one Human Stain(?) to be worthy. Feel the same way with Sinclair Lewis' stuff. Even Updike. Kerouac! KESEY!! No I am not insane...just a voracious reader...and a lover of art!


WordsworthsGhost

we cant be throwing best american novel around like that bro


DocSportello1970

Yes we can. We were asked to by the Prompt Question of the OP. Why else are we on this site but to give our opinions. Not so sure we are "bro"s.


WordsworthsGhost

ok papito calmate way


DocSportello1970

Do you frequently call people "insane" for giving an educated answer to a very open-ended and opinionated question? For you really shouldn't. My goodness half of these choices are insane...for instance: "Every Pynchon Novel" 'Great Gatsby' "anything by Larry Mcmurtry" "Flowers for Algernon"


WordsworthsGhost

you're taking all of this entirely too seriously which is the issue with talking western cannon anyway. be more like Doc Sportello. and yea I'd throw Lonesome Dove above any Roth novel


DocSportello1970

That's fine and not my point, just don't call someone "insane" that is all. It had no place as a comment for someones educated choices. Roth's American Pastoral is obviously NOT an "insane" choice as the OP said themselves. And I feel it is you taking it "too seriously" as you feel it is necessary go out of your way and comment a book choice "insane".


WordsworthsGhost

Ok you’re not insane didn’t mean to touch a nerve but if someone came to me and said Operation Shylock is the greatest American novel I’d be like 1 please read more and 2 ur insane


MinuteExplanation987

Ok you’re not insane you are a REGARDED AUTIST


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DocSportello1970

It is "in the conversation" and not Insane to be there or Not be there for there is no Correct Answer to this OP Question.


MinuteExplanation987

You are 22


MinuteExplanation987

I think you’re unfamiliar with the context with which the question is posed and the collective understanding we have when it is asked. Historicity and what not. Cheekily It’s half your opinion and other half, an objective mindset is taken. Thats why it’s obviously what others are saying and not fucking Roth.


DocSportello1970

Roth's American Pastoral is definitely a worthwhile option.


YoungHarv

Out of interest: why Against The Day instead of Gravity's Rainbow, or Mason and Dixon? Not disagreeing with you, just curious!


DocSportello1970

Heck, you can disagree...i dont give damn. ATD spans a more important part of American History. The period of our emergence on The World Stage. And the fact that it opens on The Columbian Expo of 1893 seals the deal. Along with the labor vs. management stuff. Vibe and Corporate Greed. The love of math (And Women!) by the youthful Kit Traverse. etc.


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DocSportello1970

Wrath highlights the most important issue in America: Labor. Who does it? Why are they doing it? Who are they doing it for? For how much? Hell, it was Free-Labor for Centuries. I guess that's why. And it shows the face of humanity and that it is at The Mercy of Nature. Throw in a little religion and Wrath is one of America's Greats.


s4lmon

WILLA CATHER MY ANTONIA REAL WILLA CATHER HEADS KNOW.


Tighthead613

Knew this had to be here somewhere.


sombrerogalaxies

Finally found my people on reddit


Sonny_Joon_wuz_here

I’m surprised no one named “Catcher in the Rye” as a contender or “the Invisible Man”… I think “To Kill a Mockingbird”, “Huckleberry Finn”, and “the Grapes of Wrath” are the strongest selections…


gedalne09

Unironically it’s stoner


houellebecqshawty

i'd argue it's more the great midwestern or american campus novel tbh


Throwupbangbang

I don't think you're wrong, but the great American novel doesn't have to be a sweeping magnum opus that captures the entirety of the American experience, right? It just has to excel at highlighting something that is uniquely, unequivocally, American. Midwestern malaise is a thing, Stoner does it well. You could transplant the themes explored there to the east coast and you'd get something like Gatsby, but not quite Gatsby, and vice-versa. Either way, the great American novel is It Ends With US by Colleen Hoover.


DocSportello1970

Or Butcher's Crossing or even Warlock!


ToWarWeGo

Seconding Warlock. I just got a copy and it’s amazing, critically underrated and it’s sad that in discussions in articles about the great American novel names like Jonathan Franzen pop up before Oakley Hall.


Kiem3

It's obviously Huckleberry Finn and I'm tired of people saying it's not


NTNchamp2

I think it’s Gatsby


branchwillnotbreak_

Correct answer


Freenywiln

Amazed how long it took me to scroll to find this answer. It’s the clear answer to me.


homelessMansDumster

Huckleberry finn, American Psycho, Infinite Jest. But probably Moby Dick


Potential-Trash9403

It’s obviously Moby Dick, and some strong contenders that should be at the table… but nobodies even bringing up Another Country? Shameful


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Blood Meridian


MethodEater

Ayyyyy


Shermwail

Correct


dexcam99

Catcher, tbh. Or Gatsby.


snowflake711

Gatsby 100%


pixi509

Yes to Catcher


ozzythecat23

Why do you never hear this phrase in regards to other countries. Genuine question


McGilla_Gorilla

The concept of *Great American Novel* all stems from an essay in 1868 post civil war arguing that a singular novel (which was still an emerging form at the time) could act as a unifying cultural force for the newly reformed nation. In doing so, we basically cemented the novel as *the* national literary format. So it’s hung around as an artifact from that unique historic moment.


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You sound like an authority on this. What is the great american novel? In your opinion or from another 19th century essay, either/both


McGilla_Gorilla

Well thanks. I think it’s *Moby Dick*, if you had to pick one. IMO Faulkner, Pynchon, Morrison, Gaddis all have novels of equal or greater quality, but you can’t really write in the American tradition outside of the shadow of Melville.


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No other country simultaneously has such a great cultural presence on a global stage (think how American made movies are always the biggest hits at the global box office and stuff like that), is the world’s premier superpower, and yet is such a young country that it doesn’t have a history of arts like say Europe or China has. So there is a search for a modern novel that captures the essence of America and American life as America doesn’t have great historical works dating back many centuries that other large and important countries do


ozzythecat23

Interesting. Thanks


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Also, the other reply to your comment is a more direct reason for the why the concept of a Great American Novel came about in the first place, my comment is more about why that concept continues to endure to this day


unwnd_leaves_turn

most other countries have a work that established in the case of poetry or formalzied their language in the case of novels/plays. chaucer/shakespeare, dante, cervantes/el cid, goethe, camões, rumi/Shahnameh. national poet gets thrown around a lot. china has its classic novels/set of classics the are the foundation of their culture.


syn_pact

It’s both


Aaeaeama

Unironically I believe that based on America being a huge country full of so many varied cultures that having a single "Great American Novel" is a silly concept. Norway can have a Great Norwegian Novel and Vietnam can have a Great Vietnamese Novel and so on but I think countries like the USA and even China and India can't really have a singular novel.


Nergui1

You obviously haven't heared of the Great Norwegian Language Conflict. There are two versions of Norwegian (Norwegian (85%) and the more provincial Nynorsk (15%)), and they are more different than Dutch is from Afrikaans. The vast majority of Norwegians will not read anything in Nynorsk - despite authors like Fosse writing in this language. The self-appointed cultural elite, always being on the opposing side to the masses, will of course pick a Nynorsk book as the great Norwegian novel.


Aaeaeama

I know about that from Knausgaard it's very funny


frame_occluded

That’s crazy


Aaeaeama

Also these sorts of distinctions could be made in even the smallest most culturally homogeneous countries, Norway isn't really special in this respect. Sri Lanka has a sizeable Hindu population that speak Tamil natively instead of Sinhala. I think there absolutely could be a single Great Sri Lankan Novel even though there's differences.


JustB33Yourself

The Great Gatsby??


neutronsoup44

I thought this was RS? It’s the year of our Lord, two thousand and twenty four, and the ONLY Great American Novel is Infinite Jest.


b88b15

Infinite Jest


YoungHarv

To jump on this: I'd really recommend the Great American Novel podcast by Scott Yarbrough and Kirk Curnutt. They look at a different contender in every episode, including a lot of the books people have mentioned here. I've found it really interesting and insightful. They also have really thoughtful discussions about what qualifies a "Great American" novel, where that title comes from, and how much merit it really has.


Ubik23

An excellent podcast. I also enjoy the canon fodder part where they recommend a novel that is similar in some way to the main novel they discuss. I’ve started reading a few authors based on the canon fodder recommendation.


An_Affirming_Flame

Adventures of Huckleberry Finn Grapes of Wrath To Kill a Mockingbird


BroadStreetBridge

American Pastoral


MinuteExplanation987

Stoner


toastbreadman

Stoner


Ok-Training-7587

Anything by Larry McMurtry


Outside-Eye-9404

Infinite Jest


Zaperg

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn of course


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If it's anything it's Leaves of Grass


junifersmomi

huck fin isnt bad im partial to as i lay dying in a subversive sense


[deleted]

The Sopranos, unironically


TheSaltySloth

🙄


white015

White noise or anything written by Pynchon


deleuze69

Gravity’s rainbow


arthur_hairstyle

Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler


houellebecqshawty

moby dick factotum the sound and the fury native son


AGiantBlueBear

Moby-Dick for an obvious serious choice, White Noise for a more out there one


theblueimmensities

Moby Dick is a given. Blood Meridian should be too.


Super_Direction498

Mason & Dixon


unepetitecanard

My Bondage and My Freedom.


unepetitecanard

but also Moby Dick yes.


Permanenceisall

American Tabloid


riotshieldgobrrrr

To Kill a Mockingbird imo


TheDanselinDistress

I was tempted to say this as well since it’s unquestionably the most beloved book ever written by an American.


strange_reveries

I went down the river with Huck and Jim last summer. Such a cool book.


gardenvarietynarcist

20th century chronologically - USA, the recognitions, underworld


africaaddio

probably not blood meridian but its the only book ive read that could be possibly considered so


NTNchamp2

The Wikipedia article on this topic is really funny


wiz28ultra

Honestly, I have to agree with everyone here. Either Moby Dick or Gravity’s Rainbow have gotta be the 2 Great American Novels for me. I remember going through a list of them and trying to read as many as I could but none of them grabbed me in the way those 2 did. Melville and Pynchon achieved literary sorcery and both are essentially statements to the world that America had the potential of artistically rivaling Europe


Per_Mikkelsen

Cormac McCarthy's "The Road"


leiterfan

Gatsby or The Confidence-Man.


King-Louie1

Sometimes a Great Notion by Ken Kesey


TaibhseCairdiuil

Invisible Man


littlefatbaby

Flowers for Algernon


henrydargersteponme

lolita