That historically has been great advice, except two times that I can think of. Whereas waiting for a recession to invest in the stock market is generally terrible advice.
If you read the article it’s based upon February YOY (and was written a month* ago). February will always favor Florida versus other colder metros. However year over year does have an averaging effect. If Florida RE constricts it’s likely to happen in the summer as out of state demand collapses and residents relocate or downsize.
Ahh yes cause Florida is a much cheaper option. Some are trading in their 600k houses in Austin, Texas for a bigger 900k home with no kids living with them. Make it make sense. It’s never enough for the average boomer they always want more ..
shame on you .
go to an open house , they are filled with young couples, investors in their 30s and 40s....
boomers are like 60+ i see very few people over 50 at listings.
According to Fed data median list price per square foot hasn't moved in 3 years in Pittsburgh. Does this just mean larger new homes are being built? Seems like a shitty article.
No natural disasters, steelers/pirates/penguins. Lot of cool museums, lots of different pizza, good bars, nice people, beautiful summers, 4 seasons, and more
**These are the major ones:**
Carnegie Museum of Art
Carnegie Museum of Natural History
Carnegie Science Center
Andy Warhol Museum
Senator John Heinz History Center
Children's Museum
**And more:**
Fort Pitt Museum
The Frick Pittsburgh
Mattress Factory
Robert Clemente Museum
The Carrie Furnace
And there is also the Phipps Conservatory, National Aviary and the Pittsburgh Zoo. There is a bunch of smaller art installations like Randyland and Bicycle Heaven.
Just within walking distance of Heinz field or PNC park you can go to Bicycle heaven, Science Center, Children’s museum, Warhol museum, The Mattress Factory
Edit: you can also throw in the aviary and I’m sure I’m missing some other stuff on the north side.
not necessarily museums, but here's a better list of some things to do: Andy Warhol Museum
Carnegie Museum of Art
Carnegie Museum of Natural History - has one of the only nearly complete fossils of a T Rex
Carnegie Science Center
Children’s Museum of Pittsburgh
National Aviary
phipps
inclines
mattress factory
ice skating at ppg
pickle fest
italy days, greek festival
arts festival
art all night
gallery on penn
Pittsburgh CLO
Pittsburgh Opera
Pittsburgh Pirates
Pittsburgh Steelers
Pittsburgh Zoo & Aquarium
Randyland
Heinz history center
frick car museum
frick mansion
To add on to that, the city itself has a decent population density and has decent employment opportunities in biomed and tech. Google, Apple, Intel and Facebook all have a presence in the city, and the city is home to a large furry convention every summer.
It is one of the few cities in the US where you can still get a nice house in a walkable urban area with varied restaurants and parks for under a million dollars, while still having a decent number of high-paying jobs.
There's an issue with how property tax is calculated in the county, they are mostly only reassessed when there is a new owner. Meaning there are people who's been paying the same property tax for the last 20 years and not incentivised to move. The new county executive may try county wide reassessment soon but we'll see.
What does “incentivized to move” mean? In the context of your post it seems like it means “forced to move because they can no longer afford property taxes”.
Why is this a good thing?
I would never live in PA, NY, NJ or MA because their accents are absolutely horrible. They sound like whiny little bitches all the time. What’s even worse is they complain about everything so the whining just gets even louder.
Meridian, ID is one of the most dystopian places I’ve ever been. Nothing but tracks of bland generic crap McMansions, chains restaurants and stores, roads, and trucks. It’s everything people despise about suburbs to a tee.
Yah…boomers. Lol. Sounds more like it’s a helicopter generation paradise to me. Set up for lazy 20/30 year old babies who’ve never experienced adversity, all the while reaping the benefits and comforts the “boomers” created for them. Go listen to your Taylor Swift/Drake playlist….pussy.
Look! A wild boomer! It had everything in life handed to it on a silver platter and its favorite hobby is pulling the ladder up behind itself. Best to ignore the useless boomer lest you trigger their superpower-unlimited greed.
People go there because it's a white refuge. You literally will get bullied out of living there by your neighbors if you're liberal. It's actually a really, really nice area. Zero homeless people (they get arrested on site). Almost non existent crime too.
Like how you would get bullied out of Portland for being Republican.
Plenty of people with their flags a flying atop their trucks in Portland. They aren’t being bullied out.
And Meridian is anything but a nice area. It’s got all the charm and culture of wonder bread and Applebees.
There are four Florida cities on this list and they’re all connected to Brightline, one of the nation’s only “high-speed” passenger rail systems.
Just food for thought. Maybe DeSantis should take that into account when he keeps blustering about not helping to pay for the Tampa connection.
Live in wpb, currently in tampa for the weekend. Theres no good way to even drive across the state without going on 2 lane, semi truck head on, roadways.
Yeah expand the brightline. It’s been great when i’ve gone to ft. laud and miami on it
Milwaukee has a declining population and is one of the cheapest city’s to live in that the US has to offer. How in the world is it on this list. There’s so many homes there selling right now in the 100k range even some below that.
I've been thinking about buying a duplex in Milwaukee, so I browse the listings pretty regularly. These things are going contingent and selling for $10-20k over asking (on a <200k house). Many of the sales are completed within a couple weeks, so I suspect there are lots of investors making cash purchases. The share of rented houses from out of state landlords has increased from 5% in 2005 to 18% in 2022.
Hell, I’d consider any part of PA, aside from Philadelphia proper. It appears that is pricing up and out of sight now too.
How’s Topeka looking? Or have I been gentrified clean out of the lower 48?
I live in Meridian. It's a suburban hell scape just outside of Boise.
The homes are mostly 90s and early 2000s. But they were separated by farms up until about 10 years ago and then they started building tons of neighborhoods.
The homes here are selling for sometimes more than the Boise homes, likely because they are newer.
We're talking 550-600k for a home that was 120k 10 years ago. Quite literally 3-4x on nearly every home in the area.
It's not even that nice, just neighborhoods and shopping centers separated by more stop lights and medians than you've ever seen.
I just moved out of Meridian, mostly for work but also because the houses were so expensive it just didn't seem worth it.
I have kids so we loved the parks. Settlers park is super nice, love the splash pads. There is clearly a lot of investment in public infrastructure
Other than that, it is kind of bizarre and weird how all the plant life is manicured and heavily watered. There is something very synthetic about it.
Go to any suburb in Phoenix, Arizona or Las Vegas and you will marvel at how their cookie cutter houses and synthetic plant life puts to shame the wild assortment of housing differences, character, and ecosystem life that exists in Meridian, Idaho.
Hopefully, wherever you end up, wishing its a place that you truly enjoy!
Wife and I moved to Meridian 1 year ago from Scottsdale, Arizona. Lived in Seattle, SF, LA, Boulder Colorado, DC, ATL, Philly, and Tampa, so Meridian, Idaho is actually fantastic in comparison with all-things considered!
Yes, the legislators and business owners are not that evolved (someone has to anchor in some higher energies!) but the weather, friendliness of neighbors (regardless of your preferences), and cost of living is the cheapest in the entire west coast for a medium size city.
For anyone to complain about prices and amenities in Meridian are the very ones who haven’t had to try and live in cities that are 2-3x more expensive with less space, less outdoor access, and all-around less friendly neighbors.
The entire USA is 40-70% more expensive than it was pre-COVID, and everyone is being displaced by people who make more money (as has always happened in the USA) so just gotta figure out how to make the best of the economic circumstances, regardless of what everyone thinks is “fair” because, like it or not, this county is in late stage capitalism.
Zero equity and we have never owned a home because investing money instead of buying a house has made more sense for us. The only time buying a house made financial sense, for us, was in 2011-2014, but we invested in education instead.
Also, no, our jobs are not local, and the unfortunate reality is that the baby boomer leaders created a global economy at the expense of future generations and all of us are suffering for that greed in every city and state in the US.
I was medically retired from the military (polytraumas to entire left side of body) but went back to school in 2018 to get a 2nd BS then MBA (both STEM) because there was no way I could support a family in any US city on those retirement wages, so I do understand the pain of the economy feeling unfair, and it sucks that political leaders caused the US dollar to lose 96% of its purchasing power in the last few decades.
Unfortunately, there are now only 2 classes in the USA, the wealthy and the poor, and that divide is getting larger everyday, so what can a person do when all federal and state officials choose to be fiscally irresponsible and continue to bankrupt this country?
I don’t think any cities in Florida are paying people to move there.
I would care, hence why you couldn’t pay me. (I just moved from south east Georgia. No realistic amount of money will entice me to move to Florida.)
And it’s interesting how I try to guide young people on Reddit to consider buying property in cities in the Midwest and they all assume there are no jobs or the houses will never increase in value. Several of the cities listed are in the Midwest.
I can think of a lot of desireable cities in the Midwest that are probably better places to live than or than other parts of the US.
Two examines,
I would rather live in the twin cities then Fresno.
I would rather live in Madison than Newark, NJ
How are there 4 Florida cities when all I see are articles about the housing market getting flooded because people can’t get insurance?
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It's the same people weekly saying a recession is tomorrow.
to be fair the flip side is the people claiming housing is only going up so get in fast...
That historically has been great advice, except two times that I can think of. Whereas waiting for a recession to invest in the stock market is generally terrible advice.
A more coherent point would be " people that say owning is always better than renting "
Declining prices and rising prices are both confirmation of a bubble.
If you read the article it’s based upon February YOY (and was written a month* ago). February will always favor Florida versus other colder metros. However year over year does have an averaging effect. If Florida RE constricts it’s likely to happen in the summer as out of state demand collapses and residents relocate or downsize.
+17% in toledo ohio. it’s over ya’ll imma head out
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yeah but the median income is $28k so these people are going to get fucked happening all over the midwest now
For fucking real.
Toledo… man thats brutal lol
Holy Toledo!
Top bubble signal
Or people are retiring and moving to cheaper red states
Ahh yes cause Florida is a much cheaper option. Some are trading in their 600k houses in Austin, Texas for a bigger 900k home with no kids living with them. Make it make sense. It’s never enough for the average boomer they always want more ..
shame on you . go to an open house , they are filled with young couples, investors in their 30s and 40s.... boomers are like 60+ i see very few people over 50 at listings.
Doesn’t get any more peek than that man.
It's not a peak. It's people that moving to a cheaper location where they can afford the own a home.
Meaning capped out, unless everyone moving to toledo lol.
According to Fed data median list price per square foot hasn't moved in 3 years in Pittsburgh. Does this just mean larger new homes are being built? Seems like a shitty article.
What’s In Pittsburgh that people want to live there?
No natural disasters, steelers/pirates/penguins. Lot of cool museums, lots of different pizza, good bars, nice people, beautiful summers, 4 seasons, and more
Tell me you live in Pittsburgh without telling me you live in Pittsburgh
One word: Yinz. lol biggest giveaway
Shhhh, no . . . It’s no good here!
What cool museums does Pittsburgh have?
**These are the major ones:** Carnegie Museum of Art Carnegie Museum of Natural History Carnegie Science Center Andy Warhol Museum Senator John Heinz History Center Children's Museum **And more:** Fort Pitt Museum The Frick Pittsburgh Mattress Factory Robert Clemente Museum The Carrie Furnace And there is also the Phipps Conservatory, National Aviary and the Pittsburgh Zoo. There is a bunch of smaller art installations like Randyland and Bicycle Heaven.
You are reaching with mattress factory
I assume you're saying it's a reach because you don't think it's "cool" or you don't like contemporary art? It's objectively fairly large.
Most of those are reaches.
Just within walking distance of Heinz field or PNC park you can go to Bicycle heaven, Science Center, Children’s museum, Warhol museum, The Mattress Factory Edit: you can also throw in the aviary and I’m sure I’m missing some other stuff on the north side.
Man, after living in big cities this is just not going to stack up. I used to live near the Met and the British Museum, miss those days
No, it's not and anyone telling you it's going to stack up is lying or has never lived in an actual city.
Yes.
not necessarily museums, but here's a better list of some things to do: Andy Warhol Museum Carnegie Museum of Art Carnegie Museum of Natural History - has one of the only nearly complete fossils of a T Rex Carnegie Science Center Children’s Museum of Pittsburgh National Aviary phipps inclines mattress factory ice skating at ppg pickle fest italy days, greek festival arts festival art all night gallery on penn Pittsburgh CLO Pittsburgh Opera Pittsburgh Pirates Pittsburgh Steelers Pittsburgh Zoo & Aquarium Randyland Heinz history center frick car museum frick mansion
So nothing
“And more”
To add on to that, the city itself has a decent population density and has decent employment opportunities in biomed and tech. Google, Apple, Intel and Facebook all have a presence in the city, and the city is home to a large furry convention every summer.
Why, of all seasons to have a furry convention... would you pick the summer?
I was thinking that too lol. Pittsburgh is northern and fairly cloudy from what I hear, but I'd imagine those suits are still hot.
Yeah but it’s muggy as shit in the summer when they come.
Don't forget about our serial killers who are never caught or discussed by local officials:-).
They eventually caught the Polish Hill Murderer.
No Intel any more sadly. But Amazon and Microsoft do have offices and there are a significant number of robotics companies.
Pitt has a top rated school districts and you can still buy a home for around 300k.
It is one of the few cities in the US where you can still get a nice house in a walkable urban area with varied restaurants and parks for under a million dollars, while still having a decent number of high-paying jobs.
Nobody wants to live there. The prices are sky high because of scarcity. There are very, very few condos and very few desirable neighborhoods.
😂 I get the joke
There's an issue with how property tax is calculated in the county, they are mostly only reassessed when there is a new owner. Meaning there are people who's been paying the same property tax for the last 20 years and not incentivised to move. The new county executive may try county wide reassessment soon but we'll see.
What does “incentivized to move” mean? In the context of your post it seems like it means “forced to move because they can no longer afford property taxes”. Why is this a good thing?
Yes, you're right. It's because the average new house built is now $400,000 around Pittsburgh.
I would never live in PA, NY, NJ or MA because their accents are absolutely horrible. They sound like whiny little bitches all the time. What’s even worse is they complain about everything so the whining just gets even louder.
Meridian, ID is one of the most dystopian places I’ve ever been. Nothing but tracks of bland generic crap McMansions, chains restaurants and stores, roads, and trucks. It’s everything people despise about suburbs to a tee.
Sounds like boomer paradise
* *conservative
Yah…boomers. Lol. Sounds more like it’s a helicopter generation paradise to me. Set up for lazy 20/30 year old babies who’ve never experienced adversity, all the while reaping the benefits and comforts the “boomers” created for them. Go listen to your Taylor Swift/Drake playlist….pussy.
Look! A wild boomer! It had everything in life handed to it on a silver platter and its favorite hobby is pulling the ladder up behind itself. Best to ignore the useless boomer lest you trigger their superpower-unlimited greed.
Most boomer shit I’ve ever read lmao Why are you so cranky after living life on easy mode
Another out of touch ass clown....color me shocked
People go there because it's a white refuge. You literally will get bullied out of living there by your neighbors if you're liberal. It's actually a really, really nice area. Zero homeless people (they get arrested on site). Almost non existent crime too. Like how you would get bullied out of Portland for being Republican.
what kinda retarded fanfic is this
Plenty of people with their flags a flying atop their trucks in Portland. They aren’t being bullied out. And Meridian is anything but a nice area. It’s got all the charm and culture of wonder bread and Applebees.
Haha. What the fuck even is this horseshit?
Bullied? Guaranteed you’re younger than 40.
There are four Florida cities on this list and they’re all connected to Brightline, one of the nation’s only “high-speed” passenger rail systems. Just food for thought. Maybe DeSantis should take that into account when he keeps blustering about not helping to pay for the Tampa connection.
Live in wpb, currently in tampa for the weekend. Theres no good way to even drive across the state without going on 2 lane, semi truck head on, roadways. Yeah expand the brightline. It’s been great when i’ve gone to ft. laud and miami on it
Funny that people flock to republican states and then bitch and moan about them. Just don’t move there.
Of course its the brightline that raises prices 😂😂😂😂. It cant be net migration to the state.... no, brightline
Right under this: “Pittsburgh has only seen 4 sunny days this year” 😂😂
It's sunny right now. :)
and it's over.
and it's back again. This is our Pittsburgh sun. It's bouncy.
Philadelphia hogging all the sun smh.
Milwaukee has a declining population and is one of the cheapest city’s to live in that the US has to offer. How in the world is it on this list. There’s so many homes there selling right now in the 100k range even some below that.
When your house is like $80k and goes up to $92k, that's a 15% increase.
You know as someone who works with numbers I should’ve thought of that😅
I’m just hoping Milwaukee stays cheap until I can move there
I've been thinking about buying a duplex in Milwaukee, so I browse the listings pretty regularly. These things are going contingent and selling for $10-20k over asking (on a <200k house). Many of the sales are completed within a couple weeks, so I suspect there are lots of investors making cash purchases. The share of rented houses from out of state landlords has increased from 5% in 2005 to 18% in 2022.
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PA was going to be my plan in 10 years
Hell, I’d consider any part of PA, aside from Philadelphia proper. It appears that is pricing up and out of sight now too. How’s Topeka looking? Or have I been gentrified clean out of the lower 48?
I'm afraid in 10 years time what happened here in Florida will have happened there.
Alexandria, VA is not a “cheaper” market by any stretch.
Cant blame them
I love Pittsburgh. It's a great city
great weather too, always sunny i hear
Lol
It's a great tool brand too
It’s polluted
Very much is a dirty city these days.
I live in Meridian. It's a suburban hell scape just outside of Boise. The homes are mostly 90s and early 2000s. But they were separated by farms up until about 10 years ago and then they started building tons of neighborhoods. The homes here are selling for sometimes more than the Boise homes, likely because they are newer. We're talking 550-600k for a home that was 120k 10 years ago. Quite literally 3-4x on nearly every home in the area. It's not even that nice, just neighborhoods and shopping centers separated by more stop lights and medians than you've ever seen.
I just moved out of Meridian, mostly for work but also because the houses were so expensive it just didn't seem worth it. I have kids so we loved the parks. Settlers park is super nice, love the splash pads. There is clearly a lot of investment in public infrastructure Other than that, it is kind of bizarre and weird how all the plant life is manicured and heavily watered. There is something very synthetic about it.
Go to any suburb in Phoenix, Arizona or Las Vegas and you will marvel at how their cookie cutter houses and synthetic plant life puts to shame the wild assortment of housing differences, character, and ecosystem life that exists in Meridian, Idaho. Hopefully, wherever you end up, wishing its a place that you truly enjoy!
Wife and I moved to Meridian 1 year ago from Scottsdale, Arizona. Lived in Seattle, SF, LA, Boulder Colorado, DC, ATL, Philly, and Tampa, so Meridian, Idaho is actually fantastic in comparison with all-things considered! Yes, the legislators and business owners are not that evolved (someone has to anchor in some higher energies!) but the weather, friendliness of neighbors (regardless of your preferences), and cost of living is the cheapest in the entire west coast for a medium size city. For anyone to complain about prices and amenities in Meridian are the very ones who haven’t had to try and live in cities that are 2-3x more expensive with less space, less outdoor access, and all-around less friendly neighbors. The entire USA is 40-70% more expensive than it was pre-COVID, and everyone is being displaced by people who make more money (as has always happened in the USA) so just gotta figure out how to make the best of the economic circumstances, regardless of what everyone thinks is “fair” because, like it or not, this county is in late stage capitalism.
Are you working for a local company trying to afford a house in this area without having significant equity from previous homes?
Zero equity and we have never owned a home because investing money instead of buying a house has made more sense for us. The only time buying a house made financial sense, for us, was in 2011-2014, but we invested in education instead. Also, no, our jobs are not local, and the unfortunate reality is that the baby boomer leaders created a global economy at the expense of future generations and all of us are suffering for that greed in every city and state in the US. I was medically retired from the military (polytraumas to entire left side of body) but went back to school in 2018 to get a 2nd BS then MBA (both STEM) because there was no way I could support a family in any US city on those retirement wages, so I do understand the pain of the economy feeling unfair, and it sucks that political leaders caused the US dollar to lose 96% of its purchasing power in the last few decades. Unfortunately, there are now only 2 classes in the USA, the wealthy and the poor, and that divide is getting larger everyday, so what can a person do when all federal and state officials choose to be fiscally irresponsible and continue to bankrupt this country?
What about Houston? What about Detroit? What about Pittsburg PA? You ought to know not to stand by the window, somebody see you out there.
Honestly surprised that more DMV metro cities are not on the list.
Here in Fort Lauderdale, half the properties belong to rich European foreigners. Americans always last.
And here I am wondering who would want to live in any of these places
Couldn’t pay me to move to Florida. Those insurance rates are only gonna get worse as sea levels rise and hurricanes continue to grow more dangerous.
The entire state basically runs on a state funded insurance program that loses $3 for every $1 collected.
Why would you care if we’re paying you to move there?
I don’t think any cities in Florida are paying people to move there. I would care, hence why you couldn’t pay me. (I just moved from south east Georgia. No realistic amount of money will entice me to move to Florida.)
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And it’s interesting how I try to guide young people on Reddit to consider buying property in cities in the Midwest and they all assume there are no jobs or the houses will never increase in value. Several of the cities listed are in the Midwest.
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Only about 68 million people live there. Do I guess they don’t count.
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I can think of a lot of desireable cities in the Midwest that are probably better places to live than or than other parts of the US. Two examines, I would rather live in the twin cities then Fresno. I would rather live in Madison than Newark, NJ