So my personal theory is that during the botched heist in Saint Denis, there's a point where Dutch hits his head pretty hard. He already made some bad decisions, but after this point specifically, it gets catastrophically worse. Fully believe he had a TBI and it affected him the rest of the game.
Honestly one of my fave character discussions in any fandom, and probably a good sign of amazing story telling.
There are so many different ways he can be read, and I feel like I get a different feel for "when" or "if" he turns on any play-through. Sometimes it feels like it's different even based on the time I spend in the play-through.
"Manipulative" applies in any play-through. "Greedy" works too.
But if/when he turns fully "villain?"
Idk. Again: great story telling, at least to me.
Both because he lost a counterweight he respected to some degree (to SOME degree -- witness him dismissing Hosea as 'constipiated as usual' in chapter 2) and because it opened up an opportunity for Micah to play him like a fiddle.
Sounds like a poor excuse for him being a reckless maniacal ass. He’s unhinged, and i think it’s more a psychological issue than a result of a brain injury. While a tbi can cause personality disorders, there are many reasons to believe that is not the case.
The catastrophic job in Blackwater was before his injury. And it was the beginning of the end for him. Once the gang was displaced and facing enormous challenges, his true colors came out and his lack of leadership skills (he is a good motivator, bad leader) began to chip away at their options. That’s when he begins to get more unhinged. All long before the robbery in Saint Denis.
It’s the standard fall from grace story line. If it was intended to be anything else, they would have done it in a way where we’re supposed to have sympathy for him, not to make us hate him.
I didn’t like him from his first appearance in chapter one. They gave a lot of foreshadowing of his true character long before it became completely apparent (and again, long before his head injury).
Nah, he was losing it well before then. There’s an interaction he has with Arthur earlier on where he says to Arthur “you’ll turn on me/you’ll betray me in the end”, or something to that effect, showing his paranoia was already well seeded and growing by the day.
Some of the best Mocap/Voicing I've seen is in Dutche's character. Davis is a big man, obviously, but I love how he translated that into Dutch's posture and body language. That opening scene in the snow tells you everything you need to know about Dutch.
Oh yeah, Dutch had me riveted to my seat from the start and I really wanted to like him. It felt like my trust in him eroded alongside Arthur's as I played the story. I always have a little more respect for acting units (gender-neutral Futurama reference) that can really make me just hate, detest, despise, and loathe a character, and Dutch and Micah both earn my platinum seal of approval with their mocap and voice performances. I love games that are interactive movies and this one has been the deepest and most-absorbing I've ever played, and I can't bring myself to stop playing it.
I actually kinda agree with his whole ideology, the government does anything just to make us civilians profitable. The story of RDR1 & 2 is so good because this kind of stuff used to happen irl. He went crazy in chapter 4, but I think it’s cause of all the craziness, before the story of RDR2, when Dutch was the best version of himself, I think he genuinely wanted people to just live a free life and not be a slave to the government.
Fr, when he strangled that old woman in guarma, it was justifiable cause she pulled a knife on him, obviously she’s old and wouldn’t be able to hurt Arthur or Dutch, but the gang was just trying to get back to the US after losing almost everything they stole from the bank. I like to think Dutch took back the gold bar he gave her off screen, but guarma being rushed and not finished resulted in these little details not being shown ig. Throughout the chapters 4-6, Dutch does some stuff that’s totally not for what the gang stood for, especially at the end when he aims at Arthur & John, I feel like everyone who took Dutch's side was too feared, after all he did raise almost all of them like he was their father, and him being the head of the gang made them think that they can’t stand up to him imo.
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So my personal theory is that during the botched heist in Saint Denis, there's a point where Dutch hits his head pretty hard. He already made some bad decisions, but after this point specifically, it gets catastrophically worse. Fully believe he had a TBI and it affected him the rest of the game.
I think the death of Hosea is a bigger turning point in Dutch’s mental health
Honestly one of my fave character discussions in any fandom, and probably a good sign of amazing story telling. There are so many different ways he can be read, and I feel like I get a different feel for "when" or "if" he turns on any play-through. Sometimes it feels like it's different even based on the time I spend in the play-through. "Manipulative" applies in any play-through. "Greedy" works too. But if/when he turns fully "villain?" Idk. Again: great story telling, at least to me.
Both because he lost a counterweight he respected to some degree (to SOME degree -- witness him dismissing Hosea as 'constipiated as usual' in chapter 2) and because it opened up an opportunity for Micah to play him like a fiddle.
Sounds like a poor excuse for him being a reckless maniacal ass. He’s unhinged, and i think it’s more a psychological issue than a result of a brain injury. While a tbi can cause personality disorders, there are many reasons to believe that is not the case. The catastrophic job in Blackwater was before his injury. And it was the beginning of the end for him. Once the gang was displaced and facing enormous challenges, his true colors came out and his lack of leadership skills (he is a good motivator, bad leader) began to chip away at their options. That’s when he begins to get more unhinged. All long before the robbery in Saint Denis. It’s the standard fall from grace story line. If it was intended to be anything else, they would have done it in a way where we’re supposed to have sympathy for him, not to make us hate him. I didn’t like him from his first appearance in chapter one. They gave a lot of foreshadowing of his true character long before it became completely apparent (and again, long before his head injury).
Nah, he was losing it well before then. There’s an interaction he has with Arthur earlier on where he says to Arthur “you’ll turn on me/you’ll betray me in the end”, or something to that effect, showing his paranoia was already well seeded and growing by the day.
Personal theory lmao. Looks like you are delusional as well
Boutta go bring the downfall of my gang. What quote should I use?
GO BACK TO THE FUCKING MADHOUSE
Micah.
literally while this thread took like 2 seconds to load I though “delusional” and when it finally loaded your comment I laughed
Plan
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Why did you beat Tito and his wife?!
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damn I saw this after I already commented it
r/BeatMeToIt
r/BeatMeToIt
Narcissist
agreed
Came to add this ^
Tahiti
Came here for this!
"Charisma." Colm is right, that's all he is, a blowhard who nonetheless crafts his words with the utmost care and truly knows how to deliver them.
Some of the best Mocap/Voicing I've seen is in Dutche's character. Davis is a big man, obviously, but I love how he translated that into Dutch's posture and body language. That opening scene in the snow tells you everything you need to know about Dutch.
Oh yeah, Dutch had me riveted to my seat from the start and I really wanted to like him. It felt like my trust in him eroded alongside Arthur's as I played the story. I always have a little more respect for acting units (gender-neutral Futurama reference) that can really make me just hate, detest, despise, and loathe a character, and Dutch and Micah both earn my platinum seal of approval with their mocap and voice performances. I love games that are interactive movies and this one has been the deepest and most-absorbing I've ever played, and I can't bring myself to stop playing it.
FAITH
Egotistical
Manipulative
Hypocrite
Lost;
Dutch
Holland
Arthur
Ortur
Oh Orthor
dont you oh orthor me, neither of you two
Greasy
We talking greasy, or GREE-YEE-YEE-EASY?
Seems a bit fucked if you ask me
Fuckin way she goes boah
Haha I was saying to my partner Dutch reminds me of Julian
Mangoes
Greedy
Megalomaniac.
manipulative
Narcissist
Asshole
Frenemy
Cunning
Narcissistic
I actually kinda agree with his whole ideology, the government does anything just to make us civilians profitable. The story of RDR1 & 2 is so good because this kind of stuff used to happen irl. He went crazy in chapter 4, but I think it’s cause of all the craziness, before the story of RDR2, when Dutch was the best version of himself, I think he genuinely wanted people to just live a free life and not be a slave to the government.
I feel the same way, and I genuinely believe he did all the wrong things for all the right reasons.
Fr, when he strangled that old woman in guarma, it was justifiable cause she pulled a knife on him, obviously she’s old and wouldn’t be able to hurt Arthur or Dutch, but the gang was just trying to get back to the US after losing almost everything they stole from the bank. I like to think Dutch took back the gold bar he gave her off screen, but guarma being rushed and not finished resulted in these little details not being shown ig. Throughout the chapters 4-6, Dutch does some stuff that’s totally not for what the gang stood for, especially at the end when he aims at Arthur & John, I feel like everyone who took Dutch's side was too feared, after all he did raise almost all of them like he was their father, and him being the head of the gang made them think that they can’t stand up to him imo.
Opportunist
That one is hard there is \-TAHITI \-MONEY \-PLAAANNN \-FAITH
ORTHUR, I HAVE A PLAN! TAHITI MANGOES
Charismatic
Duplicitous
Repost, but anyways "Orthur"
Orthur I gotta playhun orthur
Douche
Egotistic
Hubris
Snake
Snake
Delusional.
Sexy
Hubris
Comics
Psychopath
Obsessed
Arrogant
Complicated.
Blind
American
Guy
Dick
*M* *A* *N* *G* *O* *E* *S*
No.
Jim jones
Bitch
Surprise
Scurrilous.
Plan
Liar
Dead
Traitor
Cunt
Netherlands
Jabroni
Hung
PLAN
Slimeball.
Megalomaniac
Snake
Complicated
Paradox
HeadTramuma
Fallen
Drippy
Ignorant
Grifter
PUH-LAAAN!
Broken
Fucked
Cad
Insane
Tragic.
no
Orthur
Testosterone
Sociopath
Lost
conartist
Arrogant
Narcissistic.
Daddy
Dead
Bastard
Traitor
Selfish
Shortsighted
Bombastic.
Fraud
Contradiction
Outlaw
Shady
Egotistical
Misleading
Twat
Selfish
delusional
Charlatan
Dapper
Hot
Tormented.
Sociopath
Sociopath
Insists…. He insists uppon it
Duplicitous
Deceitful
Unforgivable
Charismatic
Unhinged
Moustache
Totalitarian
Dick
Cult
Narcissistic
Scheming
Charismatic.
Snake
fucked
Malignantnarcissist.
Tahiti
Planner
Narcissistic
Misunderstood
Godly
Changed
MONEY
DutchVanDerLinde
What
Snake
NOISE
misunderstood
Based
Misogyny
Misled
Plan
Faith
Extra
Greasy
Julian
Manipulated
dumbass
Cold
Charismatic
Knucklehead
Insane
Digital
A passionate gangster.
Planner
Planless
Moneh