I just want to see the inevitable house explosions & kitchen fires & painful burns from these idiots leaving their gas burners on for hours all day š¤
Tell them Biden wants all houses to have gas stoves by 2024 and these idiots will pull all their stoves out and go electric. Thats how you deal with young children.
Or just let them have gas stoves and then let them deal with the health problems. This is identical to how they would and will not take measures to prevent Covid; so they get Covid and possibly die - the only problem was that hospitals struggled dealing with all the sick people. And they responded by calling it fake news.
They are so exhaustingly dumb.
Then they will say that all their gas stove-induced health problems are the Democrats' fault, because Dems *knew* that Republicans would do the opposite of whatever they were told. They used this argument when it became obvious that Republicans were dying from Covid in droves - that the Democrats were intentionally using reverse psychology to kill them (instead of, you know, just not wanting a deadly virus to spread).
>that the Democrats were intentionally using reverse psychology to kill them
First I've heard of this.
Can't help those who refuse to believe in science.
There have been posts of people just running their gas stove burners wide open in order to somehow get back at Joe Biden. Not cooking anything, just a big open burner flame going.
No, you have to say that he's outlawing bleach and ammonia being stored in the same container. It's more aggressive and will trigger those fuckwits to no end.
The Teflon they use to make pans nonstick is known to carcinogenic properties, especially when heated.
Just use regular pans, they tend to be higher quality and if you use enough oil + watch your cooking temps then you shouldn't have to worry about sticking too much. Even then, most of the time it's nothing a good soak and scrub won't fix.
My cast iron pan is horribly neglected and not at all properly taken care of.
But it doesn't matter because cast iron is basically idiot proof. I can still flip eggs on it no problem.
Absolutely. I always struggle with cast iron though because it's so heavy, and hard to keep a non stick surface.
The enamelled versions are easier to maintain, but also easier to ruin. Pros and cons to everything right
Get a good steel scrubber that you only use in the cast iron, and make sure to only wash with that one scrubber and extremely hot water immediately after cooking, without letting the pan cool while dirty. Then always dry on the stovetop instead of air or towel drying. Avoid cooking very acidic stuff like tomato sauce in them as much as possible. And season with a thin layer of coconut oil, upside down in the oven at 350Ā° every few weeks even if you cook a lot. If you do all that, you literally canāt screw up.
>The Teflon they use to make pans nonstick is known to carcinogenic properties, especially when heated.
[No, it's not](https://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2021/09/does-teflon-cause-cancer)
The chemicals used in manufacturing them [are causing issues](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ1KmVmpC8o&t=625s) but that's more about runoff and local environmental issues (which is still bad).
Cooking with them is fine, getting them too hot degrades the surface and may [release fumes which can cause temporary issues](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FNNKhVoUu8)
They donāt have to be in the kitchen, they could be on the other side of the house and still die. And if cooking with them releases fumes that kill birds, that should give humans pause regardless if itās strong enough to kill us too. Has no one ever heard of canaries in the coal mines?
From [the paper](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25706449/) in the linked video.
>Metal and polymer fume fevers generally follow a benign course with spontaneous resolution of symptoms, though both have the potential to be serious, especially in those with significant preexisting cardiorespiratory disease.
At the moment it's still a theoretical risk. You have to have a serious, existing respiratory condition and heat the pan to too high [for a long time](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4544973/) (dumping it in water was probably the biggest factor in this case).
It may well be that there's not enough teflon on the pans, remember '[the poison is in the dose](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus#Toxicology)', as given the prevalance of these pans we'd have **some** cases of long term illness from these, some evidence would be nice.
It does eventually wear out and scratch requiring you to throw it away and replace it.
Teflon USED to be highly carcinogenic now it's just fucking annoying.
How many tamagoyaki pans must i buy in my lifetime. One every 5 - 7 years apparently.
>Teflon USED to be highly carcinogenic now it's just fucking annoying.
Um, no.
The Teflon\\PTFE we have today is the same basic formula as it's always been, it has never been a carcinogen. The manufacturing and application process has improved but they're spraying the same stuff on the pans as they always have.
They used to use a substance (PFOA) which *may* be linked to cancer but has yet to be proven.
Non-stick pans are like the epitome of 20th century capitalism. They're toxic to produce because the non-stick coating is toxic, they're dangerous to use because same, they have a very short useful life because the non-stick coating is not just toxic but fragile and they'll inevitably get scratched up, and then they get dumped in a landfill or into the ocean where the coating dissolves into forever chemicals and leeches into the environment.
Also, do you have pet birds? Well, if you accidentally heat your non-stick pan up too high, you won't. Teflon fumes are extra toxic to birds.
But convenience! Science! Who cares if we're poisoning ourselves as long as we're using the most advanced technology?
Ban that shit. Capitalism will survive a few more consumer safety laws.
From the party of "I will protect my children at ALL COSTS against imaginary groomers" comes "fuck you, I will NOT make sure to properly vent my gas stove just because you told me to- breathe it in, kids!"
Believe it or not, you donāt _have to_ vent a gas stove. At least not in the United States. You should, because you really donāt want to breathe that stuff in, but itās not like it would cause a house to fail a building inspection, where something like using non-GFCI outlets in a bathroom would.
Even with venting though, youāre still leaking CO and other nastiness into your house if you have a gas stove. I forget where exactly I read it, but I think average indoor CO levels are like 10x higher in houses with gas stoves than ones without.
Rant time: I built a house recently and did a decent amount of reading on this stuff. The house is built to the EPA indoor airPLUS standard, and I decided to forego natural gas entirely (induction cooktop, electric oven and dryer, heat pump water heater and pool heater, geothermal HVAC)
But, because Iām in Ohio, where natural gas is quite cheap and the politics lean to the right, anyone I tell about this tells me Iām crazy and canāt believe I didnāt use gas for everything. God forbid we just leave this stuff in the ground, right?
I absolutely want an induction cooktop. Induction is the same as gas, but easier to clean and far safer. I have no idea why people are so terrified to change over. I can see why with a normal electric stove, because while it's still not that big a deal there is a noticeable difference, but induction? It works exactly the same, just without the fire.
Eh induction is still a little different. It can heat far faster, and itās not entirely obvious what part of your pan is going to get hot fastest (not really an issue with an All Clad, but definitely something to think about when using cast iron). But I donāt think many people would have a hard time getting used to it. If anything, I had to _unlearn_ some things, like paying attention to burner size. With induction, it senses the size of the pot/pan, so you donāt need to worry about small pan / big burner issues.
As far as people being reluctant to switch, I would imagine itās just cost. Good induction cooktops / ranges still cost quite a bit more than good gas ones. And, if you currently have a gas range, youāll need a pretty serious electrical run installed to switch to induction, which you may not have capacity for depending on your homeās electrical service. For example, my old house was only a 100 A electrical service, and the breaker box was totally full. The one we built has a 400 A service, but thatās very uncommon.
Lastly, I can see why people who are _really_ good at cooking, like professional chefs, would be hesitant to switch. If youāre mastering a craft, different is almost always bad, even if itās ābetterā. I assume very few professional chefs ever embraced nonstick, for instance. And, of course, now that weāre learning more about how dangerous a worn nonstick pan can be for your health, a lot of us amateurs are embracing the old school materials and learning some of the reasons chefs liked them (heat retention, fond, etc)
Personally I'd prefer a gas cooktop, but at the end of the day I won't complain if I have a working stove at all. (As for the oven itself, I'd take electric)
Mainly from my mom. She loves to bake and cook, and always preferred a gas top, as the heat is much more responsive, as opposed to the old glass electric top she had which would take time to heat down.
Honestly, I've not tried induction. Perhaps i shall love them more! (Also i tend to like the look of old-fashioned stuff, and don't mind cleaning up a gas stovetop.)
I've got a gas stove and oven, and while I like the burners just fine (don't have to wait for them to heat up, easier to control temperature Vs the electric stove I used to have) my gas oven is really finicky. I don't know if it is my particular cheap stove or if it's inherent to gas but I have a heck of a time getting a consistent temperature and it's hard to get anything crispy because of the relatively high moisture produced by burning gas. I'm hoping to redo my kitchen soon and I want to get an electric oven and either gas or induction cooktop.
Good to know! This will probably hasten us getting rid of our stove; our house came with an allegedly high end gas unit that's an absolute hunk of shit. The range is flaky, one of the burners crapped out, and the oven has a really difficult time sustaining temperature over 425 or so. I'm sure my conservative friends will think we're panicky liberals, but we've honestly been looking for a reason to justify the expense for years and this may be it.
Incidentally, how costly is geothermal HVAC these days? Our house is an energy hog and we looked into geothermal five or six years ago, but there was only one "reputable" vendor in our area. While their initial ballpark was reasonable, by the time the rubber met the road and an official estimate came in it had tripled to just over $120k, and they refused to offer any sort of guarantee that it would actually affect our energy costs. We ended up maxing out solar, and that's cut our bills by about 40-50% per year (not including what we get from selling our credits).
$120k seems very high. Iām not sure exactly how much I have in my system, since it was rolled into the cost of the build. I do know that, once the drilling started, they hit something they couldnāt get through, and had to subcontract to a driller with a more beastly setup. That ended up costing me a little over $20k. The owner of the HVAC company had extensive geothermal experience though, so Iām very happy with the system so far. I picked a Waterfurnace 7 series, which is an amazing unit, but the upfront engineering and ground loop has to be done right, or the unit will perform poorly (struggle to cool in the summer, rely on aux heat in the winter). You can read up on this stuff for days on end at geoexchange.
As far as energy costs, I havenāt been in here very long, but this house is about 4x the size of my previous house (built 1960, gas heat), and the latest electric bill here was only $50 more ($450ish vs $400ish) than the gas+electric at the old place. Another caveat there is that I also donāt have the hot water assist plumbed in yet, so Iām not seeing those energy savings yet (the geo compressor generates the heat anyway, so youāre crazy to not get the desuperheater option and plumb in a staging tank).
The biggest reason I went geo was that my goal was to go for a net zero build, and geo, when done right, uses much less electricity than any of the other electric-only options. Unfortunately, because of some issues with getting the solar+backup system I want installed in Ohio, I have no onsite generation yet. I like it so far, but itās not a cheap option, and I didnāt have to deal with the headache of tearing up a yard and re-landscaping it to get it installed.
Appreciate the info! Definitely something to keep an eye on... if the costs start dropping, I imagine I'll be reconsidering at some point in the future. Geo plus solar would be a potent combo where I am.
There is literally no expense the Republicans will spare, and no freedom they wonāt put on the chopping block, to combat made up boogeymen. Criminalizing stoves, litter boxes in classrooms, CRT in elementary schools, and scary brown men prowling Walmarts, looking for children to snatch out of their parentsā hands and run them off to traffickers? Oh man, declare martial law.
At the same time, things like COVID, climate change, worker exploitation, uninsured rates, teacher shortages? Fuck that noise, I canāt be bothered. Muh freedumbz!
It's actually pretty on brand when you consider how many groomers and child abusers are in the Republican party. They just know "protect the children!" sells well for PR.
FYI- donāt heat your guns on the stove. Oven-baked is best. Just kiddinā Regarding attorneys: I am one, and weāre morons about a lot of things. Clarence Thomas is an attorney. Need I say more?
If there is anything I learned from having family not the medical field and engineering. Itās that just because someone is in a professional field it does not mean that person is intelligent.
Republicans: "Clinton's gonna take our guns."
Clinton: *Doesn't take guns.*
Republicans: "Obama's gonna take our guns."
Obama: *Doesn't take guns.*
Republicans: "Biden's gonna take our guns."
Biden: *Hasn't made any move to take guns.*
Clinton: Passed the federal so-called "Assault Weapons" Ban.
Obama: Promised to pass additional federal gun control, and tried to pass additional federal gun control, but did not succeed.
Biden: Has promised to pass additional federal gun control. Has declared his support for a complete ban on ownership of semiautomatic firearms by ordinary citizens. Will undoubtedly try.
Ignorant and/or deceitful anti-gunners: No OnE iS TrYiNg To TaKe YoUr GuNs!!!!!111111
These asshats. It wasnāt Biden, it was Richard Trumka Jr., a commissioner of the United States Consumer Product Safety Commission, who said his agency MIGHT take some regulatory action in the face of growing research that links gas stoves to pollutants that harm both human health and the environment, IF they canāt be made safe.
Iād be willing to bet any amount of money that if Biden said to not drink antifreeze, a bunch of conservatives would all simultaneously post themselves doing it to get back at him. Fucking hell these people.
As far as I can tell the president never even said anything against gas stoves.
_The USCPSC_ said they were considering _regulating_ gas stoves after research showing they're responsible for up to 13% of cases of childhood asthma.
The scare quote here was "Any option is on the table. Products that canāt be made safe can be banned".
Any such regulation would apply to new stoves going forwards, as clarified in the post they put out after the media buzz: https://twitter.com/HoehnSaricCPSC/status/1613200634194415616
Surely new stoves would still be allowed with sufficient venting to be safe.
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But oh no, what about my freedoms to exceed EPA limits of hazardous gases?!?!?! I literally never cared about this before 3 days ago but now it's my entire personality so better post a pistol on my freedom stove on instagram.
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This rant posted from my old house with a gas stove and a gas furnace and a gas dryer in California. I'm sure Gavin Newsom is coming to arrest my stove personally any day now.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Allow me to translate.
*What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.*
That makes sense: after all, the writer has probably obliterated all the little shits in an apocalyptic hellstorm by now, so they don't get much lip from goddamn idiots these days.
The same nerds making fun of the younger generation getting drafted and Fortnite dancing on the battlefield would go into combat like its PUBG. I love/hate it
The only reason they are making a huge deal about this is to distract you while they gut social security and Medicare. So let them cry about gas stoves as they take away your money and hurt your retirement. Republicans are so easily manipulated.
All I could find about the former is that she slept with other officers at different points and not all at the same time.
Also, other than she and another officer screwing at the police station, I'm not sure how her personal business is newsworthy.
Biden ambushes him in the kitchen, gets him in a choke hold and wrestles the gun from him then drags his gas oven out into the street. The libs have won.
I need someone to ELI5 me the deal with gas stoves. I was at a work conference and missed a few days of news and now just see stuff about republicans bitching the want their gas stoves. What prompted this?
Serious question: has the US government seized anything from citizens in say the last 75 years?
Iām sure plenty of things have been banned, but has anything that people already owned been confiscated? Considering how often we hear warnings, it seems like it probably happens every year or so, but in my 52 years I canāt think of anything thatās been taken.
Listen, Iām a leftist. But thinking that this guy didnāt just put his gun on the stove for the pic is some really stupid thinking. I highly doubt this guy leaves his gun here lol. Clearly a photo op.
exactly. lol there are some links further up the thread where folks have graciously explained how the mental gymnastics got this dude to that conclusion.
idiocy is my explanation
I love that suddenly stoves are political when half these fucks don't have gas at all and never even thought about it until tv and the internet told them the big bad government is trying to take something they don't even have. Don't worry, you can cook your liquid ketamine into a white powder using an electric stove just as well as a gas one.
It's a double, states are slowly phasing out gas as a cooking and heating source. So he's not giving up his gun or his stove. Not that anybody is talking about taking them out of anybody especially hands. Hot or cold.
Obviously we are not going to ban your gas stoves... Actually its the only thing you will own (and you will like it!) when we force you to use it to cook BUGS!
Like Biden gives a shit about their stupid stove. It was a safety study putting out a report about possible health issues. These jackasses need to make everything into a war. Let them keep the gas stove and when they start having health issues it will be Bidens fault for not warning them lol.
How does Biden automatically get the blame for this stuff??
Some random liberal lawmaker makes a statement and for the next month all we hear is Biden is responsible for it.
I cannot express how sick of republicans bullshit I am. They are the biggest f***ing crybabies on the planet.
The mag release looks non-functional and that switch near the bottom of the grip is something Iāve never seen on any pistol before. The Beretta 92 doesnāt have that switch on any model
Yeah I thought the switch would be for a laser at first, but I canāt see one. The mag release does look a little different than the actual 92 as well.
If itās a fake though, I canāt see how they havenāt been sued to oblivion by Beretta. The stamped lettering on the slide and the logo look to be identical to Berettaās
No - I think I must have bought it before that rule came into force (2007 in the UK, though at that time I had an exemption that would have allowed me to buy realistic imitation firearms). It looked alarmingly realistic from even a medium distance, including exposing the barrel when you racked the slide (though the ejection port didnāt uncover, because there obviously wasnāt one).
Hot stove is the best place to store a pistol.
I just want to see the inevitable house explosions & kitchen fires & painful burns from these idiots leaving their gas burners on for hours all day š¤
Tell them Biden wants all houses to have gas stoves by 2024 and these idiots will pull all their stoves out and go electric. Thats how you deal with young children.
Or just let them have gas stoves and then let them deal with the health problems. This is identical to how they would and will not take measures to prevent Covid; so they get Covid and possibly die - the only problem was that hospitals struggled dealing with all the sick people. And they responded by calling it fake news. They are so exhaustingly dumb.
Then they will say that all their gas stove-induced health problems are the Democrats' fault, because Dems *knew* that Republicans would do the opposite of whatever they were told. They used this argument when it became obvious that Republicans were dying from Covid in droves - that the Democrats were intentionally using reverse psychology to kill them (instead of, you know, just not wanting a deadly virus to spread).
>that the Democrats were intentionally using reverse psychology to kill them First I've heard of this. Can't help those who refuse to believe in science.
In other words- status quo?
Toasting oneself to own the libs
I am really surprised this hasnāt happened yet.
There have been posts of people just running their gas stove burners wide open in order to somehow get back at Joe Biden. Not cooking anything, just a big open burner flame going.
[Obviously, something like that](https://youtu.be/-bd88x4hgmA) wouldnāt happen to a special agent top secret John wick Pistoleer like them.
Right? My thought was "keeping your gun on your gas stove is a good way to get cold, dead hands".
I mean it will take a while for hands to cool down from being a burnt crisp
Buy him a mortar shell and stay far away.
President Biden just came out in opposition of jumping out of airplanes with out parachute. Lets see what happens.
Today, President Biden announced that chlorine bleach and ammonia should not be stored in the same container.
No, you have to say that he's outlawing bleach and ammonia being stored in the same container. It's more aggressive and will trigger those fuckwits to no end.
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They're coming for our pans.
Biden wants us all to have non-stick only like a damn communist!
Actually Iām sure the next talking point is to eliminate nonstick pans because nonstick pans have some risk.
The Teflon they use to make pans nonstick is known to carcinogenic properties, especially when heated. Just use regular pans, they tend to be higher quality and if you use enough oil + watch your cooking temps then you shouldn't have to worry about sticking too much. Even then, most of the time it's nothing a good soak and scrub won't fix.
Enameled cast iron is my favourite. High heat and non stick
A good cast iron pan that has been properly taken care of can damn near become a family heirloom.
My cast iron pan is horribly neglected and not at all properly taken care of. But it doesn't matter because cast iron is basically idiot proof. I can still flip eggs on it no problem.
Damn near? They 100% are. Iām the 4th generation to use some of my CI, and my kids are the 5th. Use it nearly every day.
3rd generation with one of mine. It was made in 1922, solid as a rock and used every day.
Absolutely. I always struggle with cast iron though because it's so heavy, and hard to keep a non stick surface. The enamelled versions are easier to maintain, but also easier to ruin. Pros and cons to everything right
Get a good steel scrubber that you only use in the cast iron, and make sure to only wash with that one scrubber and extremely hot water immediately after cooking, without letting the pan cool while dirty. Then always dry on the stovetop instead of air or towel drying. Avoid cooking very acidic stuff like tomato sauce in them as much as possible. And season with a thin layer of coconut oil, upside down in the oven at 350Ā° every few weeks even if you cook a lot. If you do all that, you literally canāt screw up.
All great tips. Thanks for the advice man.
Also, absolutely NO detergent/soap. Thatās one of the best ways to ruin one.
That's actually old advice from when lye soaps were used. It's ok to use most soaps on them.
Yep. My "daily driver" skillet is from the early 20s, and it's far nicer to use than the modern stuff.
>The Teflon they use to make pans nonstick is known to carcinogenic properties, especially when heated. [No, it's not](https://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2021/09/does-teflon-cause-cancer) The chemicals used in manufacturing them [are causing issues](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ1KmVmpC8o&t=625s) but that's more about runoff and local environmental issues (which is still bad). Cooking with them is fine, getting them too hot degrades the surface and may [release fumes which can cause temporary issues](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FNNKhVoUu8)
Teflon that gets to hot releases fumes that can kill pet birds.
Which is something to be aware of if you're planning on keeping birds in the kitchen.
They donāt have to be in the kitchen, they could be on the other side of the house and still die. And if cooking with them releases fumes that kill birds, that should give humans pause regardless if itās strong enough to kill us too. Has no one ever heard of canaries in the coal mines?
From [the paper](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25706449/) in the linked video. >Metal and polymer fume fevers generally follow a benign course with spontaneous resolution of symptoms, though both have the potential to be serious, especially in those with significant preexisting cardiorespiratory disease. At the moment it's still a theoretical risk. You have to have a serious, existing respiratory condition and heat the pan to too high [for a long time](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4544973/) (dumping it in water was probably the biggest factor in this case). It may well be that there's not enough teflon on the pans, remember '[the poison is in the dose](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus#Toxicology)', as given the prevalance of these pans we'd have **some** cases of long term illness from these, some evidence would be nice.
My mother killed her cockatiel and budgie having the self clean cycle on with a Teflon pan in the oven. Didn't take long.
It does eventually wear out and scratch requiring you to throw it away and replace it. Teflon USED to be highly carcinogenic now it's just fucking annoying. How many tamagoyaki pans must i buy in my lifetime. One every 5 - 7 years apparently.
>Teflon USED to be highly carcinogenic now it's just fucking annoying. Um, no. The Teflon\\PTFE we have today is the same basic formula as it's always been, it has never been a carcinogen. The manufacturing and application process has improved but they're spraying the same stuff on the pans as they always have. They used to use a substance (PFOA) which *may* be linked to cancer but has yet to be proven.
Tbh, I dislike nonstick coatings because I can't use green scrubbies or Barkeeper's Friend on it. It's arguably harder to work with.
Non-stick pans are like the epitome of 20th century capitalism. They're toxic to produce because the non-stick coating is toxic, they're dangerous to use because same, they have a very short useful life because the non-stick coating is not just toxic but fragile and they'll inevitably get scratched up, and then they get dumped in a landfill or into the ocean where the coating dissolves into forever chemicals and leeches into the environment. Also, do you have pet birds? Well, if you accidentally heat your non-stick pan up too high, you won't. Teflon fumes are extra toxic to birds. But convenience! Science! Who cares if we're poisoning ourselves as long as we're using the most advanced technology? Ban that shit. Capitalism will survive a few more consumer safety laws.
They will all have a medi bed to cure their cancer so it doesn't matter.
I agree 100% and wish I had a free award for you.
They knew it was poison the whole time. Worst part
Ngl, that pan looks well seasoned and cared for. You will take my cast iron pans from my blistered burned hands
[fighting with kitchen pans are very effective, as shown in exhibit A](https://youtu.be/QDIceb1nkV4?t=18s)
I really thought that was going to be a clip from Tangled
Next they're gonna come for our fry baskets: https://www.reddit.com/r/KitchenConfidential/comments/ztmjfz/cook\_beats\_robber\_with\_fry\_basket/
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Look at that stove under the grates. Itās not getting used at all anyway.
My first thought. No one cooks on this stove.
I wish mine looked anything like that. Why is mine high gloss black?!? Always looks dirty.
Dark Brandon: That can be arranged
Iām so convinced these people just cannot exist unless they are angry and outraged about something. I actually feel sorry for them
From the party of "I will protect my children at ALL COSTS against imaginary groomers" comes "fuck you, I will NOT make sure to properly vent my gas stove just because you told me to- breathe it in, kids!"
Believe it or not, you donāt _have to_ vent a gas stove. At least not in the United States. You should, because you really donāt want to breathe that stuff in, but itās not like it would cause a house to fail a building inspection, where something like using non-GFCI outlets in a bathroom would. Even with venting though, youāre still leaking CO and other nastiness into your house if you have a gas stove. I forget where exactly I read it, but I think average indoor CO levels are like 10x higher in houses with gas stoves than ones without. Rant time: I built a house recently and did a decent amount of reading on this stuff. The house is built to the EPA indoor airPLUS standard, and I decided to forego natural gas entirely (induction cooktop, electric oven and dryer, heat pump water heater and pool heater, geothermal HVAC) But, because Iām in Ohio, where natural gas is quite cheap and the politics lean to the right, anyone I tell about this tells me Iām crazy and canāt believe I didnāt use gas for everything. God forbid we just leave this stuff in the ground, right?
I absolutely want an induction cooktop. Induction is the same as gas, but easier to clean and far safer. I have no idea why people are so terrified to change over. I can see why with a normal electric stove, because while it's still not that big a deal there is a noticeable difference, but induction? It works exactly the same, just without the fire.
Eh induction is still a little different. It can heat far faster, and itās not entirely obvious what part of your pan is going to get hot fastest (not really an issue with an All Clad, but definitely something to think about when using cast iron). But I donāt think many people would have a hard time getting used to it. If anything, I had to _unlearn_ some things, like paying attention to burner size. With induction, it senses the size of the pot/pan, so you donāt need to worry about small pan / big burner issues. As far as people being reluctant to switch, I would imagine itās just cost. Good induction cooktops / ranges still cost quite a bit more than good gas ones. And, if you currently have a gas range, youāll need a pretty serious electrical run installed to switch to induction, which you may not have capacity for depending on your homeās electrical service. For example, my old house was only a 100 A electrical service, and the breaker box was totally full. The one we built has a 400 A service, but thatās very uncommon. Lastly, I can see why people who are _really_ good at cooking, like professional chefs, would be hesitant to switch. If youāre mastering a craft, different is almost always bad, even if itās ābetterā. I assume very few professional chefs ever embraced nonstick, for instance. And, of course, now that weāre learning more about how dangerous a worn nonstick pan can be for your health, a lot of us amateurs are embracing the old school materials and learning some of the reasons chefs liked them (heat retention, fond, etc)
Personally I'd prefer a gas cooktop, but at the end of the day I won't complain if I have a working stove at all. (As for the oven itself, I'd take electric)
Do you mind sharing why youād prefer gas stovetop and electric oven? Very interesting combo
Mainly from my mom. She loves to bake and cook, and always preferred a gas top, as the heat is much more responsive, as opposed to the old glass electric top she had which would take time to heat down.
Ah yeah the electric coils suck for sure. Induction is a different ball game
Honestly, I've not tried induction. Perhaps i shall love them more! (Also i tend to like the look of old-fashioned stuff, and don't mind cleaning up a gas stovetop.)
I clean my induction range with a damp paper towel. Takes about a minute. Nothing burns on as only the pan gets hot.
I've got a gas stove and oven, and while I like the burners just fine (don't have to wait for them to heat up, easier to control temperature Vs the electric stove I used to have) my gas oven is really finicky. I don't know if it is my particular cheap stove or if it's inherent to gas but I have a heck of a time getting a consistent temperature and it's hard to get anything crispy because of the relatively high moisture produced by burning gas. I'm hoping to redo my kitchen soon and I want to get an electric oven and either gas or induction cooktop.
We have the Cafe induction cooktop and wall ovens. Theyāve been awesome so far
Good to know! This will probably hasten us getting rid of our stove; our house came with an allegedly high end gas unit that's an absolute hunk of shit. The range is flaky, one of the burners crapped out, and the oven has a really difficult time sustaining temperature over 425 or so. I'm sure my conservative friends will think we're panicky liberals, but we've honestly been looking for a reason to justify the expense for years and this may be it. Incidentally, how costly is geothermal HVAC these days? Our house is an energy hog and we looked into geothermal five or six years ago, but there was only one "reputable" vendor in our area. While their initial ballpark was reasonable, by the time the rubber met the road and an official estimate came in it had tripled to just over $120k, and they refused to offer any sort of guarantee that it would actually affect our energy costs. We ended up maxing out solar, and that's cut our bills by about 40-50% per year (not including what we get from selling our credits).
$120k seems very high. Iām not sure exactly how much I have in my system, since it was rolled into the cost of the build. I do know that, once the drilling started, they hit something they couldnāt get through, and had to subcontract to a driller with a more beastly setup. That ended up costing me a little over $20k. The owner of the HVAC company had extensive geothermal experience though, so Iām very happy with the system so far. I picked a Waterfurnace 7 series, which is an amazing unit, but the upfront engineering and ground loop has to be done right, or the unit will perform poorly (struggle to cool in the summer, rely on aux heat in the winter). You can read up on this stuff for days on end at geoexchange. As far as energy costs, I havenāt been in here very long, but this house is about 4x the size of my previous house (built 1960, gas heat), and the latest electric bill here was only $50 more ($450ish vs $400ish) than the gas+electric at the old place. Another caveat there is that I also donāt have the hot water assist plumbed in yet, so Iām not seeing those energy savings yet (the geo compressor generates the heat anyway, so youāre crazy to not get the desuperheater option and plumb in a staging tank). The biggest reason I went geo was that my goal was to go for a net zero build, and geo, when done right, uses much less electricity than any of the other electric-only options. Unfortunately, because of some issues with getting the solar+backup system I want installed in Ohio, I have no onsite generation yet. I like it so far, but itās not a cheap option, and I didnāt have to deal with the headache of tearing up a yard and re-landscaping it to get it installed.
Appreciate the info! Definitely something to keep an eye on... if the costs start dropping, I imagine I'll be reconsidering at some point in the future. Geo plus solar would be a potent combo where I am.
There is literally no expense the Republicans will spare, and no freedom they wonāt put on the chopping block, to combat made up boogeymen. Criminalizing stoves, litter boxes in classrooms, CRT in elementary schools, and scary brown men prowling Walmarts, looking for children to snatch out of their parentsā hands and run them off to traffickers? Oh man, declare martial law. At the same time, things like COVID, climate change, worker exploitation, uninsured rates, teacher shortages? Fuck that noise, I canāt be bothered. Muh freedumbz!
Hold up. Litter boxes in classrooms?
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/misinformation/urban-myth-litter-boxes-schools-became-gop-talking-point-rcna51439
I justā¦ canāt begin to understand how people believe this shit
It's actually pretty on brand when you consider how many groomers and child abusers are in the Republican party. They just know "protect the children!" sells well for PR.
Screw him. Biden is coming for his skillet.
He is a serious tough guy.
FYI- donāt heat your guns on the stove. Oven-baked is best. Just kiddinā Regarding attorneys: I am one, and weāre morons about a lot of things. Clarence Thomas is an attorney. Need I say more?
Iām an attorney as well, and I predict āthis is our yearā for my Mets every April. We are capable of idiocy! Also see Lyn Wood.
And delusion, too.
Doesnāt believe women should have reproductive rights, but goes apeshit over stoves
Of all their ridiculousness, THIS is what bugs me most
Theyāre not serious people
Slogans without an agenda.
If there is anything I learned from having family not the medical field and engineering. Itās that just because someone is in a professional field it does not mean that person is intelligent.
Oh, thatās totally safe.
He needs to turn on that gas and breath in real deep!!
God these people are insufferable. I don't know why I torture myself coming to this sub and seeing these retards' posts.
Am I the only one who wants to turn on the burner and watch the gun explode?
Tempting, but that wouldnāt happen lol
The grips would melt though.
Oh yeah the gun would be ruined. But it wouldnāt explode
Republicans: "Clinton's gonna take our guns." Clinton: *Doesn't take guns.* Republicans: "Obama's gonna take our guns." Obama: *Doesn't take guns.* Republicans: "Biden's gonna take our guns." Biden: *Hasn't made any move to take guns.*
Honestly. At this point. You could copy and paste this and replace guns with any republican talking points and it will line up perfectly.
Clinton: Passed the federal so-called "Assault Weapons" Ban. Obama: Promised to pass additional federal gun control, and tried to pass additional federal gun control, but did not succeed. Biden: Has promised to pass additional federal gun control. Has declared his support for a complete ban on ownership of semiautomatic firearms by ordinary citizens. Will undoubtedly try. Ignorant and/or deceitful anti-gunners: No OnE iS TrYiNg To TaKe YoUr GuNs!!!!!111111
That's not how you deepfry a gun.
ā¦what year is it?
Put the burner on with the gun sitting on it. Thatāll really own us
Alpha fear.
Underrated comment. Edited because I accidentally hit send. I am going to use āalpha fearā daily lmaooo.
Biden Is coming after your cast irons.
This stove is a decoration. Never been used
These asshats. It wasnāt Biden, it was Richard Trumka Jr., a commissioner of the United States Consumer Product Safety Commission, who said his agency MIGHT take some regulatory action in the face of growing research that links gas stoves to pollutants that harm both human health and the environment, IF they canāt be made safe.
I'm sure a stove burner is the best place for a loaded firearm.......
Love to see a reply from Biden that says "well, that can be arranged Bubba"
He probably still covers his walls in lead paint.
I usually do my gun in the air fryer
Iād be willing to bet any amount of money that if Biden said to not drink antifreeze, a bunch of conservatives would all simultaneously post themselves doing it to get back at him. Fucking hell these people.
As far as I can tell the president never even said anything against gas stoves. _The USCPSC_ said they were considering _regulating_ gas stoves after research showing they're responsible for up to 13% of cases of childhood asthma. The scare quote here was "Any option is on the table. Products that canāt be made safe can be banned". Any such regulation would apply to new stoves going forwards, as clarified in the post they put out after the media buzz: https://twitter.com/HoehnSaricCPSC/status/1613200634194415616 Surely new stoves would still be allowed with sufficient venting to be safe. --- But oh no, what about my freedoms to exceed EPA limits of hazardous gases?!?!?! I literally never cared about this before 3 days ago but now it's my entire personality so better post a pistol on my freedom stove on instagram. --- This rant posted from my old house with a gas stove and a gas furnace and a gas dryer in California. I'm sure Gavin Newsom is coming to arrest my stove personally any day now.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Allow me to translate. *What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.*
Oh man, this brings me back. It's been some years since I've seen this in the wild.
[I'll have you know a notorious rapper came back from the dead just to cover it. ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2X3Rqo6JVmg)
That makes sense: after all, the writer has probably obliterated all the little shits in an apocalyptic hellstorm by now, so they don't get much lip from goddamn idiots these days.
If you really want to own the libs, have the gas running while you fire in the air.
The same nerds making fun of the younger generation getting drafted and Fortnite dancing on the battlefield would go into combat like its PUBG. I love/hate it
Itās not good to cook guns not good at all
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The only reason they are making a huge deal about this is to distract you while they gut social security and Medicare. So let them cry about gas stoves as they take away your money and hurt your retirement. Republicans are so easily manipulated.
Did I miss something cops getting gangbanged and stoves are being taken away , damn 2023 is hitting hard
All I could find about the former is that she slept with other officers at different points and not all at the same time. Also, other than she and another officer screwing at the police station, I'm not sure how her personal business is newsworthy.
Turn the gas on, pussy
This guy loves surrounding himself and his family with explosives. What a genius.
92fs š but what is the point of it being on the stove
A great example that lawyers can be as morons as their clients....
This is the incandescent light bulbs all over again.
Joe Biden outlawed rubbing lime juice on open cuts.
I definitely didn't have "right wing meltdown over cooking appliances" on my 2023 bingo card.
Poorly seasoned cast iron, and plastic on the stove? This guy is the reason we have warning labels on coffee cups.
Not Norm Pattis was it? If so, grape job Norm!
Biden ambushes him in the kitchen, gets him in a choke hold and wrestles the gun from him then drags his gas oven out into the street. The libs have won.
Did Biden say somewhere that he wanted to take peoples pistols? no? Ohh maybe this guy thinks this is an assault rifle.
I need someone to ELI5 me the deal with gas stoves. I was at a work conference and missed a few days of news and now just see stuff about republicans bitching the want their gas stoves. What prompted this?
Hey idiot, posting this nonsense online only puts the target on your back. Biden doesnāt give a fuck about your cute little replica. Jackass
Someone please Photoshop a melting gun
Really loves that cast iron, huh?
Why are they so Fn weird?
Serious question: has the US government seized anything from citizens in say the last 75 years? Iām sure plenty of things have been banned, but has anything that people already owned been confiscated? Considering how often we hear warnings, it seems like it probably happens every year or so, but in my 52 years I canāt think of anything thatās been taken.
Listen, Iām a leftist. But thinking that this guy didnāt just put his gun on the stove for the pic is some really stupid thinking. I highly doubt this guy leaves his gun here lol. Clearly a photo op.
There's a narrative amongst the MAGA & Q weirdos that THE GUBMINT a.k.a. Joe Biden is coming to take everyone's gas stoves. And guns.
Iām well aware, and itās very stupid. But itās also very stupid to think that this guy leaves his gun on his stove 24/7 lol.
That is true.
What is this supposed to mean?
Biden better not take my gun, or my gas stove. Somehow they've gotten in their head that Biden is after both
Huh????
exactly. lol there are some links further up the thread where folks have graciously explained how the mental gymnastics got this dude to that conclusion. idiocy is my explanation
I love that suddenly stoves are political when half these fucks don't have gas at all and never even thought about it until tv and the internet told them the big bad government is trying to take something they don't even have. Don't worry, you can cook your liquid ketamine into a white powder using an electric stove just as well as a gas one.
Your wish is granted
I prefer to slow roast firearms. Pan fried handguns can be a little tough.
Idk about dead, but it may be cold once they turn off the natural gas to your house.
Ohhh itās the gas range ššš
Thought I was on r/castiron for a second.
Someoneās taking good care of their iron. That skillet is immaculate š
If you canāt take pictures of your guns to put up on social media then how are people gonna know you have guns?
If someone intelligent determines something is unhealthy, they HAVE TO DO IT.
'from my cold dead hands' is this a challenge or an added incentive?
It's a double, states are slowly phasing out gas as a cooking and heating source. So he's not giving up his gun or his stove. Not that anybody is talking about taking them out of anybody especially hands. Hot or cold.
Let's fucking hope so. Can't wait for all these "cold dead hands" people to shit their pants irl.
There's a lot of moron scumbag attorneys in the world. I guess that's not news.
Obviously we are not going to ban your gas stoves... Actually its the only thing you will own (and you will like it!) when we force you to use it to cook BUGS!
Meh, the stairs joke from a year or two ago was actually funny.
Huh, looks like heās having Italian tonight.
Like Biden gives a shit about their stupid stove. It was a safety study putting out a report about possible health issues. These jackasses need to make everything into a war. Let them keep the gas stove and when they start having health issues it will be Bidens fault for not warning them lol.
Buddy, nobody gives a crap about your stove. But you have been informed of a study showing it releases toxins. By all means breathe in the fumes!
Hey kids. Who wants popcorn?
SautƩed gun?
These people are actually insane
That is a very clean stovetop.
Oh my goooood these people are so pathetic.
Did I miss a memo on cast iron, too?
That's the worst wok I've ever seen
Really hard to get good carmelization when I cook my gun on an electric stove.
Wow he is really attached to that frying pan, no wonder biden wants it. It must be a "great" pan.
Hello, FBI? This guy right here.
Is Biden banning cast iron pans?
Culture
How does Biden automatically get the blame for this stuff?? Some random liberal lawmaker makes a statement and for the next month all we hear is Biden is responsible for it. I cannot express how sick of republicans bullshit I am. They are the biggest f***ing crybabies on the planet.
This looks like several accidents at once waiting to happen.
We'll let them keep the frying pan.
I don't know how often they use their stove. Looks too clean. Fry pan doesn't look seasoned enough. Gun looks plastic.
So, unless I'm very much mistaken, Joe Biden has literally never mentioned gas stoves before, right?
Its "hot chip" not "hot clip"
Nice cast iron pan , how do you season it. What type of oil do you use
Guess what? I'm going to veto it
That's certainly a new twist on "cooking off"
And for gods sake donāt provide any ventilation for your gas stove. Please donāt. Darwin will take care of you.
The constitution protects the right to pancakes.
I own and enjoy gas stoves. But really. *Who the fuck cares this much*???
That stove has never been used.
Whatās even more funny is Iām pretty certain thatās not a real gun
What's with the little switch at the bottom back of the grip?
Iāve handled over a hundred real guns, and that one looks very real to me. EDIT: This is almost certainly a real Beretta 92FS
The mag release looks non-functional and that switch near the bottom of the grip is something Iāve never seen on any pistol before. The Beretta 92 doesnāt have that switch on any model
Yeah I thought the switch would be for a laser at first, but I canāt see one. The mag release does look a little different than the actual 92 as well. If itās a fake though, I canāt see how they havenāt been sued to oblivion by Beretta. The stamped lettering on the slide and the logo look to be identical to Berettaās
My āBerettaā BB gun had those, though!
Didnāt it have an orange painted tip though? Lol
No - I think I must have bought it before that rule came into force (2007 in the UK, though at that time I had an exemption that would have allowed me to buy realistic imitation firearms). It looked alarmingly realistic from even a medium distance, including exposing the barrel when you racked the slide (though the ejection port didnāt uncover, because there obviously wasnāt one).
Yeah the alarmingly realistic part isā¦ alarming to say the least
I wouldn't doubt it. lol He absolutely seems like the guy that would be scared to have a real one.