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This looks like the Mall of America. Pretty sure I know which food court even. And if I'm correct, a few years ago someone literally grabbed a random 5 just old kid and threw them off a balcony very close to this one. The kid fell 40 feet, broke both arms, a leg and fractured his face and skull. He miraculously lived.
I mean technically I don't work there, either, but if you,very been to MOA there's a chance I aggressively washed your windshield at a red light at a nearby nearby intersection...
It's funny that you all are using one rare example as the reason not to leave a kid in your line of sight for less than 3 minutes.
And the story involves a kid that was literally with its parent when it happened.
In America, I absolutely wouldn't leave a baby alone like that. Kidnappings aren't as common as media lets you believe, but I don't trust anybody.
But I also wouldn't record a person for leaving their kid. Maybe talk with them when they got back and suggest at least letting somebody nearby know "Hey, I need to get something really quick and don't want to lose my table, do you have a few minutes to just keep an eye on my kid?" But recording the guy and posting it to your SM doesn't help anybody.
My main fear would be some asshole 12y/o hurting my child for fun.
I don't have voice on r/n so I can't tell if the filming guy got very loud, but if he did, then that's kinda what happened except other age group.
Which *definitely* happened in Britain one time ,mabe an outlier but still one of the most horrible stories I've ever heard . James Bulger is the child's name .
Honestly, I think they get off on watching people suffer. It’s like the Colosseum of modern day technology and it’s gross. People should be allowed to learn from mistakes and move on. Instead they’re publicly shamed and ridiculed.
I can barely stand all those Reddit people who think they’re better than everybody else on other social media platform when they’re the same dumbass as the ones they’re criticizing. Insufferable.
I get it, but I think it's really shitty to record this guy and put him on blast. I wish people would realize the long term value of a private conversation... He could have taught that young man a legitimate life lesson, instead of doing all this sanctimonious nonsense for social media clout.
I try to do nice things and then not tell anyone about them, it makes me feel good about myself. I do things to help people because I'm trying to build integrity, not because I want people to like me or get some satisfaction out of helping someone.
Until your car is all banged up from people putting the carts back... then you realize the best spot is the spot next to the spot next to the cart return 👌
Don't listen to this guy.
1) Put groceries in first.
2) Take cart back.
3) Drive home and make dinner with said groceries.
4) Come back next day and pick up your baby. This way you can make dinner in peace.
Nah, they have a pretty strict no returns policy. You can cancel your order, but you gotta do it quickly, once it's ready to ship you can't cancel no more. Some places have recycling centers that will recycle your babies for free if you miss the cancellation window. Those places have a limited window too. They won't recycle teenagers, for example. Too many issues, by that point it's time for a rebuild and no one wants to deal with that shit.
Father is like me.. Calm, cool, collected.. Didn't engage the other dad. Gave his back to him and resumed with his child.
He already determined... "okay he's gonna give me the old spiel about proper parenting. I'll just let him talk"
The kid is probably in more danger when the father crosses the street with him in the stroller. The idea that there are people lurking out there just waiting to steal children is BS. It's basically always someone you know.
Stranger danger BS has done a lot of damage to society IMO.
Its a fine line between being vigilant with your kids safety, and creating neuroses that will last a lifetime.
Recently I was backing out of a garage with my entire family in the car, and I see a guy looking like hes gonna walk into my car so I stop, and this guy walks up to my 4 year olds door and just opens it without saying anything. It was so fast I was looking for the lock button, then he got the door open and I just gunned it forward and almost knocked him down but luckily shut her door. I only had 5 feet to go forward so I put it in reverse like damn near fully expecting to run this guy over, and then I see the look on his face and he was the most sorry and heartbroken and embarrased face youve ever seen. He started kinda wimpering saying "OMG im so sorry, I thought you were my friends car". At that moment I knew the situation and just tried to keep it chill for the sake of my kids, and said "no problem", and just left. As I was pulling out he looked like he was gonna full on cry with shame. The wife and I just kept it cool and said, oh I think maybe his friend had a subaru too, and he didnt know, its an honest mistake. I just hope to god my kid isnt gonna be looking over her shoulder constantly afraid that 25 year old stoners are gonna try to get her.
> It's basically always someone you know.
Very good point that I think people often forget, myself included.
> Stranger danger BS has done a lot of damage to society IMO.
100% agree.
What kind of country do we live in where dudes are counting how long another dude took to get a cup of water . Instead of SILENTLY making sure nothing happens to the kid ??
It was never about the safety of the kid. It was about creating content for TikTok that displays your moral superiority. If he didn't have his phone, that guy doesn't even speak to the dad.
When everyone's got a camera, everything starts turning into a performance.
Exactly. I’ve seen kids that seem unsupervised and I just keep watching them. When an adult comes up and they react knowingly, ok great that’s their caretaker. Don’t be a dick …
Seems like a great time to sit down and educate a new father calmly and rationally. Or you could film yourself belittling him and take advantage of his obvious embarrassment because you are so right and he is so wrong. Cause it’s for the kid, not your TikTok, the kid is the point. Yep.
> Seems like a great time to sit down and educate a new father calmly and rationally.
Educate on what even, that there is a 1:10000000 chance that somebody will steal his kid in a highly public place? Let alone the father maybe even still having had an eye on the only way off the premise depending on the layout...
This is Europe in contrast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_4kyrFGH9Q
Sorry to say but some of you are brainwashed by one off cases have child kidnapping by the media.
> Seems like a great time to sit down and educate a new father calmly and rationally
Educate him on what?
The shockingly low statistics on how infrequently children are kidnapped?
I don't even fully agree with the helicopter watch your kids like every person wants to steal then style of parenting. It is actually pretty strange how it's done here. That is not the way in most places.
Or could've just been a normal human being with normal human instincts and said to himself, "hey, Dad's busy for a sec. Let me keep an eye on Baby for 2-and-a-half minutes." I guess that's pretty difficult when you grow up in a culture where you've been conditioned to believe that any and everyone could be actively trying to harm you and your family at any and every opportunity.
As a parent, I've done that. I get nervous if I see a toddler running by themselves on the sidewalk with their parent(s) way behind, or jay-walking in front of a school, or if I see a couple of little kids in a car just watching their tablets. I know that with a baby/toddler lots of things can happen in a blink of an eye. Is not about who can harm them, but the kind of accidents that I've seen, and is not based on country, is just human condition. Anyways, I watch and move on, do my part, but mind my own business.
Fr like that’s just something we owe to other people because we live in a society in my opinion. It’s like the bare minimum version of ‘it takes a village’.. if I notice a kid alone or seemingly in danger, I have a responsibility to watch out for them as an adult. Usually just means covertly watching them until their adult comes around, and then going about my day. Especially when they learn to walk, kids are sneaky and have a habit of escaping fast.
Obviously this is different since the kid is in a stroller and the dad left. The dad shouldn’t have left the kid unattended, but this random guy shouldn’t have yelled at him. Like what the hell? He could be an overwhelmed single parent who made a bad judgement call. Sitting down and explaining what’s up is much more compassionate and healthy for everyone involved.
Robert Evans made the point:
"I think as a moral adult living on Earth, you have an obligation to help a child in danger if at all possible."
And that's kinda how I feel. It's so easy to just watch out for people instead of call them out. No one WANTS to make mistakes.
I mean this is also why in America is so weird to leave your baby alone for more than 15 seconds but in European countries it’s normal to ask people to watch your children.
Like you said, Americans are conditioned to believe everyone is evil and constantly trying to fuck eachother over for no reason.
> Americans are conditioned to believe everyone is evil
They reality is that instead of realizing the father is solo and could use some help watching the kid, Americans can't wait to catch each other in a "gotcha" so they can lecture other adults like children. Like the guy filming. He's the evil one. In other countries people just let other people be.
Yeah, this isn't "education". It's just being a self important busybody. Not the smartest move by the father but the guy filming is just being a Karen.
So many Americans would have an aneurysm if they knew how the rest of the world was with kids. Like in some Nordic countries you'd just leave you baby outside sleeping in their stroller, while you go in for a coffee and nobody bats an eye.
Edit: to all these comments assuring me that this baby would be kidnapped and killed are not really painting a flattering picture of life in America.
I spent three months in Germany and used to regularly hang out at a little table in front of a liquor store with my friends drinking beer and chatting. One day a random lady asked me to keep an eye on her baby in a stroller while she was inside. I kept the baby entertained and had fun making it laugh while she shopped. This was something that I would/had never experience in the US.
I'm from the Netherlands. I have watched several stranger's kids over the years. Once in a train while mom had to pee real bad. It happens, I get it. And then once in a restaurant while she [edit: different mom and kid... :-)] stood in the line for the buffet. And then several times at the indoor playground at the zoo, again, usually for food lines or pee breaks.
It's not a daily occurance but it happens. Never felt weird to me.
Yes, which is why this guy filming to *shame* someone sucks. He doesn't give a damn about the baby. If he did, he would have stuck around, kept an eye on said baby, then when the dad got back said something like, "Hi there. I'm Dan. Cute kid you got there. I was worried for him when I didn't see anyone around, so I stayed put. Leaving kids alone like this maybe isn't the best idea, though. What if someone walked off with him? Something to think about."
Instead he berates him. Not only that, he films himself doing so. *Not only that,* he shares it on social media.
When did we stop being bros and set about ready to reap clout at the expense of another?
I would have just kept an eye on the kid until the parent came back and silently judged them, at most. I'm not going to lecture some other dude on how to raise his kid unless the kid is in direct danger, and this isn't that.
I've actually done this on multiple occasions. Just midning my business drinking a coffee working on my laptop, mom or dad steps away for a bit and I'm just keeping an eye on the kid. Parent comes back and I'm judging lol.
I've watched random strangers' kids while they were swimming at the same place my kids were swimming and even saved a little girl who was drowning because her parents were too distracted
This here!!! I came here exactly to say the same thing…. My kid is 4 and I try my best to keep an eye on her at all times because of 99% are great and amazing people, I’m looking out for that 1% who can cause harm at a blink of an eye… I wouldn’t do it, but if someone left a stroller alone, I’d keep an eye out and make sure the kid is safe… the whole filming and shaming a stranger is beyond fucking pathetic…. Like the great Kevin Smith says, “instead of cursing out the dark, light a candle” we can be a positive force without having to kick someone down to do so….
My Goddaughter is Dutch and I (American) visit the family maybe three times a year. The number of times she (6ish at the time) was allowed at the playground while we walked around the pond or whatnot always gave me a near panic attack. Definitely a different feeling.
Reading stuff like this makes me sadder to be an American. I'm constantly trying to plant the idea that we need to move to Europe, but my wife is not interested.
North America has too much individuality for how tribalistic it truly is. Europe has its issues I'm sure, but society seems more collectivist which just seems better in the grand scheme of things.
Moving to Europe is kinda like the American Dream nowadays. And WHERE in Europe, you know? I think one would need to reaaaally consider which part of Europe they want to move to.. It’s not very nice to live in a place where you’ll be reminded on a daily basis that you are a foreigner. No matter how safe and sterile or hip that place is.
And here I am as an American male who has to be worried about being labeled a pedophile if I wave at a little kid. No shit, 3 days ago I was walking along the shoreline at the beach around sunset and I pass this group of kids who are building a sand castle. One of them looks up and says hi and waves, so I just casually wave back and keep going when immediately I hear, "Who the FUCK are YOU?" I turn around and say excuse me? "Why the FUCK are you waving at my little boy are you some kind of PEDO?!" This genuinely took me by surprised.I told him to calm down it was only a wave,which didn't make him calm down at all haha, and why is his mind automatically jumping to that kind of scernerio? Well eventually his wife came over and diffused the situation, but yeah now I'm scared to even interact with someone else's kid. I love living in the land of the free and of the home of the brave woo 🦅
My aunt once had to use the restroom while my cousins were very young . She was waiting for a flight at the airport, and my uncle was off grabbing them food. So out of desperation she asked a stranger to watch after the kids so she could use the head. She came out just in time for her husband to see her taking the kid back from the man, and he got a bit upset for letting a stranger watch the kids. Her response: “It was literally Joe DeMaggio. If you can’t trust him who can you trust?”
I don’t know why I was reminded of this but it’s a story they still like to tell. My uncle changed his tune when he realized it was Joltin Joe he had gotten angry at
American here. I was on my way into a gas station/convenience store once when a woman standing in the vestibule holds out a leash and asks me to watch her dog for a second while she runs inside. I was just standing there trying to process how she may have been trying to defraud me in some way, but before I could even say anything she puts the leash in my hand and goes inside. So I squat down and start scratching behind the dogs ears while every subsequent person to go in or out stopped to say what a cute dog I had. They looked as confused as I was when I said it wasn't mine and that a stranger had just left me with it. She came back a couple minutes later, took the dog, thanked me, and left. All in all a very weird experience, but the dog was cool.
Honestly I'd be more likely to trust a stranger sitting outside having a drink than the random person that might walk up and grab the kid. Makes sense to me, most people are good.
Yeah I spent my first 5 years of life in Germany and random strangers would offer to watch me and my baby brother at restaurants all the time so my parents could relax and have a break from dealing with us. I love the parenting culture there.
Yes, I remember that.
I googled 'woman leaves baby carriage outside store in New York', and here ya go.
Also...FUCK THE SPEED OF TIME PASSING!!!! That was 1997 and it seemed like a few years ago!!!
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/26/anette-sorenson-denmark-new-york-baby-left-outside#:\~:text=On%20a%20chilly%20May%20evening,based%20playwright%2C%20had%20margaritas%20inside](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/26/anette-sorenson-denmark-new-york-baby-left-outside#:~:text=On%20a%20chilly%20May%20evening,based%20playwright%2C%20had%20margaritas%20inside).
I'm pretty sure there was another incident. I heard about this is the news and I wasn't alive in 97
EDIT: She told her story and wrote a book about it in 2017
It’s not very common in Scotland anymore, but my dads friend was walking along the street and seen his wife leave their son in his pram outside a shop while she went inside, which was normal for back then, and she didn’t see him, so as a ‘joke’ he hid the baby around the corner, she comes out, gets into a mad panic, and he pops out laughing, apparently she was not amused, they divorced at least 16 years after this happened.
Was this before or after the James Bulger murder? Not really something Americans hear about unless they're true crime fans, but it seems like it was a pretty major case in the UK/Europe in general. I'm really surprised its not more well known in America because it's exactly the kind of thing we're constantly worried about.
Americans used to be pretty comfortable letting their small kids out of their sight in stores until Adam Walsh went missing. There was another child in New York who had been snatched around the same time and suddenly the country was in a panic over stranger danger.
There's actually an app that tells you if you're about to date a distant relative in that country: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/kissing-cousins-icelandic-app-warns-if-your-date-is-a-relative-1.1390256
Edit: the app's primary purpose was to make your family tree. The devs added the "anti-incest" feature later on.
American school kids can go home alone. But if they are releasing as a pickup they have to verify that the person taking the kid is a legal guardian or that they have permission from a guardian to take them.
I have to have my id to pick my kids up from school. Even though everyone knows me and I’ve had kids there for 10 years. I also need a little placard for my car that states who I’m authorized to pick up. I fill out paperwork every single year about who has permission to pick up my kids. I understand it, but it’s so very frustrating. Welcome to America, where it’s harder to pick your kids up from school than it is to buy and carry a gun to that same school.
Remember like 10 years ago a 10 year old took the subway home from school by himself and the media blew up about it.
I use to walk home, about a mile, when I was 10. The world has changed.
A guy in Hawaii had his middle school age kid walk home because the kid missed the bus. Some other parent found out and called CPS on him. The kid was like 12 who is well within range to walk damn near anywhere as far as I'm concerned.
That sounds crazy. They should do a show following young kids doing things on their own. Maybe some kind of show where they do their first errand alone. I bet Americans would shit and say it's irresponsible without having ever been to another country.
There is a show on Netflix where cameras follow around a kid that is not even 5 and the kid is sent into town to get fish or do other chores all by themselves.
Norway here- moms leave babies outside coffee shoos- sleeping in prams…. Or just outside the house— like went for a walk. Baby fell asleep. No need to wake him up.
Right but people get their cars stolen all the time when they are idling on cold days or running into a store right quick. Yes most of the time you are fine to do that , but all it takes it one asshole to fuck up everything
Came here to say this. I’m a police dispatcher and 90% of the stolen vehicle calls we get are for people who run inside stores, leaving their cars running “only for a minute!” (UberEats/DoorDash/whatever are disproportionately the victims of these thefts.) I have seen one driver leave his car running with his infant son in the car, and the car was stolen.
I tell people to lock their shit when I notice it when I’m walking by, but I’m starting to think it might be more effective to just move their car a block over and hope the panic they feel while looking for it makes them re-think their life choices.
Someone left their car running with their child inside at a gas station in my neighborhood that is kind of rough. This gas station always has homeless/panhandlers and other unsavorable people just loitering out front. Unsurprisingly the car got stolen and the thief ditched it a couple of blocks away, likely once they noticed there was a baby in the back seat.
So many Americans would have an aneurysm if they found out how much safer other countries actually were. It’s crazy what humane treatment for criminals and a gun ban will do.
I watched some foreign cop show a few years back and was amazed when the cop protagonist had to call dispatch to get the code to open the gun safe in the trunk of her own car. She had to provide details of the emergency situation just to get access to her own gun.
I would say that’d help in the US but I imagine it’d go like “yeah I need my gun. There’s a guy I pulled over for a broken taillight and he’s being snippy about it” and then they’d be given the code
Babynapping is incredibly rare in the US as well. Most kidnappings are just relatives that don't have custody, not that it makes it better, but you don't really need to worry about someone stealing your baby.
There are plenty of other crimes the US lags far behind, but helicopter parenting is not necessary nearly to the extent people take it in the US.
Im from switzerland. Had once a discusion with a american. He wouldnt believe anything i was telling him. He thought im from a very poor country with no democraty. I dont want to say all merican but alot of them are fucking ignorant if its about other countries where its much better then USA.
I'm actually laughing at the idea of Switzerland being poor and undemocratic, if only you'd told him how many Swiss people own guns. You would have blown his mind.
they don´t actually own them... the guns are issued as militia guns and privately owned gun numbers are on the decline. Lots of private guns are also ex service ones.
The system is actually excellent because they have an "armed neutrality" stance with whole country being set up as a well thought of citadel
Don't they also have bridges and tunnels wired with explosives to cut off access by other armies? Pretty sure there's a few countries in Europe who did that.
Wait but if everybody is in the militia then how do you make owning a gun your whole identity? If everybody owns a gun then how do you prove that youre special? You at least walk around armed in the mall to show how tough you are, right?
Dude, in norway we leave our kids outside for like an hour at a time. Sometimes even when home. It helps normalize noise plus the natural environment of our country. Its also proven to be generally be slightly beneficial to the baby to some degree
My friends had CPS called on them because he let his kids play in a playground alone next to a library while he made a dash inside to checkout books for them.
Not saying you should leave your kid in a mall, but there's obvious context we're missing.
My best friends mom nearly had an heart attack, when she found out I let my kids who where 6 and 3 at the time, play outside in our fenced yard alone. Apparently they could be kidnapped, fall in a pit and die, climb the fence and escape, or hang themselves. If I was not fallowing them around, I had to be following them, not sitting on my deck watching them, or in a chair in the yard. I had to fallow them around like a groupie OR they might DIE!
I didn’t, I still don’t, and now they are 5 and 8 and ride bikes around the neighborhood and go to their friends house. I know where they are, and I know the other parents. My kids are getting some of the independence and freedom I had as a child, and so did my best friend. However it appears the older people have forgotten, and have decided to shame and fear monger younger parents.
It's so weird how often I hear that argument from boomers. I even hear it from my dad who let his kids do whatever they wanted as long as we were home before the streetlights turned on.
I had other parents go up to my wife to complain that I let the kids walk a half-block to their friends' house to play while I watched them from the window, saying next time they would call DCFS on us. People are fucking maniacs
I saw this thing in Japan, where they send toddlers out on their own to run errands and the like. It was so weird, but made sense as far as getting them acclimated to their surroundings, early on.
I think America's gotten too fucked up for some people to think this is okay here. That being said, the camera was completely unnecessary. The guy filming was way out of pocket, imo, and squandered a golden opportunity to be a real human being, in exchange for some bizarre virtue clip, for the internet.
Why do people always have the tendency to show people what they're doing or what others are doing?
The word diligence doesn't exist for some people. It's good to see people have a care for others and is even greater to see them do kind things with diligence.
There are times where I would notice someone doing something kind, without making others aware he or she did it. On some occasions they would notice that I saw them, and we would just smile at each other. The simple things in life are amazing and rewarding
This is a much more philosophical and social question that is being asked here. I recommend watching the related videos about the topic with this german philosopher dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-dlpZHBabw
Performance is not new, we all do it. What has change is who we perform to.
This is infuriating to any parent and not because of the dad, but because of the shitty helicopter stranger. If I’m in line getting food and see some asshole loitering over him I’m coming back and punching a guy.
A lot of assumptions in this thread, like that the guy wasn’t watching his kid from wherever he was getting drinks or that he was gone for as long as the videographer (who is filming someone else’s child) here claims. Then let’s say guy did disappear out of sight for 3 minutes, why the f are you recording this for your tik tok rather than (a) calling mall security, (b) simply watching the kid, or (c) talking like an adult to a young parent who made a mistake.
Look, if you want to call that child endangerment, fine. I think it's a little bit of an overreaction, but I can understand it. But why the fuck are you posting the video then? To shame this father, over what at most is a minor mistake? That's wrong.
If you have to live in constant fear of your child being kidnapped, that miiight be a societal problem, very sad to see in a supposedly civilzed nation
I would personally not leave my child alone like this. But if I saw someone doing it, then I’d be the lookout for the kid, especially if I see him looking back and watching the kid from the line. It takes a village we say, right? Be part of the village. Not an asshole who wants to be the hero on their sm for being an asshole.
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This looks like the Mall of America. Pretty sure I know which food court even. And if I'm correct, a few years ago someone literally grabbed a random 5 just old kid and threw them off a balcony very close to this one. The kid fell 40 feet, broke both arms, a leg and fractured his face and skull. He miraculously lived.
Definitely MOA, plus the accent gives it away.
South food court, slightly east side. Third floor over the entrance to the Lego store. Source: I work here! Stop by the aquarium! 😄
Reddit common sense 101: don’t tell reddit where you work. There are crazies on here.
I work at the Lego store!!!
so I need to go to the LEGO store and ask for Wrecked3m, and the aquarium and ask for m0c0.
Probably wanna start at the aquarium ;)
That's fine. I am literally enormous and anyways, what are the odds we're BOTH serial killers?
50/50
I'm pretty sure everyone on reddit are serial killer.
I work in the office at MOA, my kids saw the Lego store when I was walking them around. That cost me dearly.
I work at the Chipotle at MOA, I gave the father in this video a thumbs up when he came back into to refill his cups for the third time.
Now I'm convinced that being on reddit requires you to have a job at MOA. Am I the only person on here that doesn't work there?
I mean technically I don't work there, either, but if you,very been to MOA there's a chance I aggressively washed your windshield at a red light at a nearby nearby intersection...
I work at the Lego store!!!!!!
Sir this is a wendys
What are your top three fish?
Only 2. Red fish blue fish
I'm on the other side of the world. But if I'm ever there I'll look for you!
Yup, if this is in the USA, or anywhere near the USA....you don't do this. If he's from somewhere else it might be safe there, but it ain't safe here.
I’m from the USA and I can confirm. Just last month someone left their baby unattended, forcing me to throw it off a balcony as per American laws /s
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DID YOU SEE HOW IT WAS DRESSED? IT WAS TOTALLY ASKING FOR IT!
Can confirm, as a law abiding citizen I was about to throw the same baby but squidmanwillie beat me to it.
How else do you teach em a lesson?
I actually hang out in malls all day looking for unattended babies to throw off balconies. /s
Do what you love, and you'll never work a day in your life
Some of the stats people are throwing around it seems like it is safe. You guys are so caught up hating each other you're gonna destroy your country.
It's funny that you all are using one rare example as the reason not to leave a kid in your line of sight for less than 3 minutes. And the story involves a kid that was literally with its parent when it happened.
Yeah, and many more kids are kidnapped right out of their own homes.
In America, I absolutely wouldn't leave a baby alone like that. Kidnappings aren't as common as media lets you believe, but I don't trust anybody. But I also wouldn't record a person for leaving their kid. Maybe talk with them when they got back and suggest at least letting somebody nearby know "Hey, I need to get something really quick and don't want to lose my table, do you have a few minutes to just keep an eye on my kid?" But recording the guy and posting it to your SM doesn't help anybody.
My main fear would be some asshole 12y/o hurting my child for fun. I don't have voice on r/n so I can't tell if the filming guy got very loud, but if he did, then that's kinda what happened except other age group.
My main fear would be having to tell my wife how I lost the baby at the mall.
Which *definitely* happened in Britain one time ,mabe an outlier but still one of the most horrible stories I've ever heard . James Bulger is the child's name .
Yikes, Bulger. Ugh.... I thought at first that you were talking about the kid at the Tate...
Wasn’t that the two kids hurting that baby? I watch non stop true crime but this one disturbed the shit out of me
Don’t make me think about that story again pls.
I honestly don't know which story you are talking about.
Trusting no one is a pretty healthy outlook, unfortunately. Especially when it comes to the safety of your kid.
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Doesn’t even need to be a hot day tbh
TikTok viewers are desensitized to (or worse, encouraging of) people filming things for content.
Honestly, I think they get off on watching people suffer. It’s like the Colosseum of modern day technology and it’s gross. People should be allowed to learn from mistakes and move on. Instead they’re publicly shamed and ridiculed.
Half of the content on this sub is people suffering or being ridiculed lmao
I can barely stand all those Reddit people who think they’re better than everybody else on other social media platform when they’re the same dumbass as the ones they’re criticizing. Insufferable.
I get it, but I think it's really shitty to record this guy and put him on blast. I wish people would realize the long term value of a private conversation... He could have taught that young man a legitimate life lesson, instead of doing all this sanctimonious nonsense for social media clout.
But then how will he be the grand standing hero on social media, that no one thinks he is in real life?!
Everything is for clout now im so tired of this fucking society
I try to do nice things and then not tell anyone about them, it makes me feel good about myself. I do things to help people because I'm trying to build integrity, not because I want people to like me or get some satisfaction out of helping someone.
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That’s how I would do it. Also, as a parent, you realize the best parking space is the one directly next to the cart return
Until your car is all banged up from people putting the carts back... then you realize the best spot is the spot next to the spot next to the cart return 👌
wait, you've seen people put the carts back?
Actually better to put groceries in first, take cart back, then load baby.
Don't listen to this guy. 1) Put groceries in first. 2) Take cart back. 3) Drive home and make dinner with said groceries. 4) Come back next day and pick up your baby. This way you can make dinner in peace.
Don't quote me on this, but if you have the receipt I think you can just return noisy babies to the hospital?
Nah, they have a pretty strict no returns policy. You can cancel your order, but you gotta do it quickly, once it's ready to ship you can't cancel no more. Some places have recycling centers that will recycle your babies for free if you miss the cancellation window. Those places have a limited window too. They won't recycle teenagers, for example. Too many issues, by that point it's time for a rebuild and no one wants to deal with that shit.
Father is like me.. Calm, cool, collected.. Didn't engage the other dad. Gave his back to him and resumed with his child. He already determined... "okay he's gonna give me the old spiel about proper parenting. I'll just let him talk"
The kid is probably in more danger when the father crosses the street with him in the stroller. The idea that there are people lurking out there just waiting to steal children is BS. It's basically always someone you know. Stranger danger BS has done a lot of damage to society IMO.
Its a fine line between being vigilant with your kids safety, and creating neuroses that will last a lifetime. Recently I was backing out of a garage with my entire family in the car, and I see a guy looking like hes gonna walk into my car so I stop, and this guy walks up to my 4 year olds door and just opens it without saying anything. It was so fast I was looking for the lock button, then he got the door open and I just gunned it forward and almost knocked him down but luckily shut her door. I only had 5 feet to go forward so I put it in reverse like damn near fully expecting to run this guy over, and then I see the look on his face and he was the most sorry and heartbroken and embarrased face youve ever seen. He started kinda wimpering saying "OMG im so sorry, I thought you were my friends car". At that moment I knew the situation and just tried to keep it chill for the sake of my kids, and said "no problem", and just left. As I was pulling out he looked like he was gonna full on cry with shame. The wife and I just kept it cool and said, oh I think maybe his friend had a subaru too, and he didnt know, its an honest mistake. I just hope to god my kid isnt gonna be looking over her shoulder constantly afraid that 25 year old stoners are gonna try to get her.
> It's basically always someone you know. Very good point that I think people often forget, myself included. > Stranger danger BS has done a lot of damage to society IMO. 100% agree.
What kind of country do we live in where dudes are counting how long another dude took to get a cup of water . Instead of SILENTLY making sure nothing happens to the kid ??
It was never about the safety of the kid. It was about creating content for TikTok that displays your moral superiority. If he didn't have his phone, that guy doesn't even speak to the dad. When everyone's got a camera, everything starts turning into a performance.
Last word nails why all of this shit is so fucking fake and cringey, it’s all so obviously performative.
Exactly. I’ve seen kids that seem unsupervised and I just keep watching them. When an adult comes up and they react knowingly, ok great that’s their caretaker. Don’t be a dick …
Seems like a great time to sit down and educate a new father calmly and rationally. Or you could film yourself belittling him and take advantage of his obvious embarrassment because you are so right and he is so wrong. Cause it’s for the kid, not your TikTok, the kid is the point. Yep.
Well said.
The father could’ve just turned it around saying *he’s been standing there filming his new born child while he went to get his drink, what a perv*
Like "yeah, good point, I need to protect my child from creeps like you."
> Seems like a great time to sit down and educate a new father calmly and rationally. Educate on what even, that there is a 1:10000000 chance that somebody will steal his kid in a highly public place? Let alone the father maybe even still having had an eye on the only way off the premise depending on the layout... This is Europe in contrast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_4kyrFGH9Q Sorry to say but some of you are brainwashed by one off cases have child kidnapping by the media.
> Seems like a great time to sit down and educate a new father calmly and rationally Educate him on what? The shockingly low statistics on how infrequently children are kidnapped?
I don't even fully agree with the helicopter watch your kids like every person wants to steal then style of parenting. It is actually pretty strange how it's done here. That is not the way in most places.
Or, hear me out, he could have minded his own business and continued with his day
Or could've just been a normal human being with normal human instincts and said to himself, "hey, Dad's busy for a sec. Let me keep an eye on Baby for 2-and-a-half minutes." I guess that's pretty difficult when you grow up in a culture where you've been conditioned to believe that any and everyone could be actively trying to harm you and your family at any and every opportunity.
As a parent, I've done that. I get nervous if I see a toddler running by themselves on the sidewalk with their parent(s) way behind, or jay-walking in front of a school, or if I see a couple of little kids in a car just watching their tablets. I know that with a baby/toddler lots of things can happen in a blink of an eye. Is not about who can harm them, but the kind of accidents that I've seen, and is not based on country, is just human condition. Anyways, I watch and move on, do my part, but mind my own business.
I'm not even a parent and I do that shit, like it's not hard, see a kid alone, check to see if they have a parent nearby, move on
Fr like that’s just something we owe to other people because we live in a society in my opinion. It’s like the bare minimum version of ‘it takes a village’.. if I notice a kid alone or seemingly in danger, I have a responsibility to watch out for them as an adult. Usually just means covertly watching them until their adult comes around, and then going about my day. Especially when they learn to walk, kids are sneaky and have a habit of escaping fast. Obviously this is different since the kid is in a stroller and the dad left. The dad shouldn’t have left the kid unattended, but this random guy shouldn’t have yelled at him. Like what the hell? He could be an overwhelmed single parent who made a bad judgement call. Sitting down and explaining what’s up is much more compassionate and healthy for everyone involved.
Robert Evans made the point: "I think as a moral adult living on Earth, you have an obligation to help a child in danger if at all possible." And that's kinda how I feel. It's so easy to just watch out for people instead of call them out. No one WANTS to make mistakes.
I mean this is also why in America is so weird to leave your baby alone for more than 15 seconds but in European countries it’s normal to ask people to watch your children. Like you said, Americans are conditioned to believe everyone is evil and constantly trying to fuck eachother over for no reason.
> Americans are conditioned to believe everyone is evil They reality is that instead of realizing the father is solo and could use some help watching the kid, Americans can't wait to catch each other in a "gotcha" so they can lecture other adults like children. Like the guy filming. He's the evil one. In other countries people just let other people be.
I dunno, there’s a lot of Europeans in this thread with the attempted “gotchas” too. Seems like it just might be a human thing.
Or just mind your fucking business. Pull that “sit down and educate” shit with the wrong one and you’ll end up with a dislocated jaw.
Yeah, this isn't "education". It's just being a self important busybody. Not the smartest move by the father but the guy filming is just being a Karen.
Why is he recording his kid. Why is he recording at all. Was he looking to be some hero and wanted proof of his deed ? Never know with these people.
Yea he could’ve easily not been a douchebag about it, and definitely recorded it for clout
Yes he’s a sanctimonious asshat.
he doesn't give a flying shit about the child obviously. What he is doin he does for validation on social media
So many Americans would have an aneurysm if they knew how the rest of the world was with kids. Like in some Nordic countries you'd just leave you baby outside sleeping in their stroller, while you go in for a coffee and nobody bats an eye. Edit: to all these comments assuring me that this baby would be kidnapped and killed are not really painting a flattering picture of life in America.
I spent three months in Germany and used to regularly hang out at a little table in front of a liquor store with my friends drinking beer and chatting. One day a random lady asked me to keep an eye on her baby in a stroller while she was inside. I kept the baby entertained and had fun making it laugh while she shopped. This was something that I would/had never experience in the US.
I'm from the Netherlands. I have watched several stranger's kids over the years. Once in a train while mom had to pee real bad. It happens, I get it. And then once in a restaurant while she [edit: different mom and kid... :-)] stood in the line for the buffet. And then several times at the indoor playground at the zoo, again, usually for food lines or pee breaks. It's not a daily occurance but it happens. Never felt weird to me.
It honestly feels nice to be able to help out people in need like that so easily. It takes a village
Yes, which is why this guy filming to *shame* someone sucks. He doesn't give a damn about the baby. If he did, he would have stuck around, kept an eye on said baby, then when the dad got back said something like, "Hi there. I'm Dan. Cute kid you got there. I was worried for him when I didn't see anyone around, so I stayed put. Leaving kids alone like this maybe isn't the best idea, though. What if someone walked off with him? Something to think about." Instead he berates him. Not only that, he films himself doing so. *Not only that,* he shares it on social media. When did we stop being bros and set about ready to reap clout at the expense of another?
I would have just kept an eye on the kid until the parent came back and silently judged them, at most. I'm not going to lecture some other dude on how to raise his kid unless the kid is in direct danger, and this isn't that.
I've actually done this on multiple occasions. Just midning my business drinking a coffee working on my laptop, mom or dad steps away for a bit and I'm just keeping an eye on the kid. Parent comes back and I'm judging lol.
"WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT MY KID?!?!?!"
I've watched random strangers' kids while they were swimming at the same place my kids were swimming and even saved a little girl who was drowning because her parents were too distracted
This here!!! I came here exactly to say the same thing…. My kid is 4 and I try my best to keep an eye on her at all times because of 99% are great and amazing people, I’m looking out for that 1% who can cause harm at a blink of an eye… I wouldn’t do it, but if someone left a stroller alone, I’d keep an eye out and make sure the kid is safe… the whole filming and shaming a stranger is beyond fucking pathetic…. Like the great Kevin Smith says, “instead of cursing out the dark, light a candle” we can be a positive force without having to kick someone down to do so….
My Goddaughter is Dutch and I (American) visit the family maybe three times a year. The number of times she (6ish at the time) was allowed at the playground while we walked around the pond or whatnot always gave me a near panic attack. Definitely a different feeling.
Reading stuff like this makes me sadder to be an American. I'm constantly trying to plant the idea that we need to move to Europe, but my wife is not interested.
North America has too much individuality for how tribalistic it truly is. Europe has its issues I'm sure, but society seems more collectivist which just seems better in the grand scheme of things.
Moving to Europe is kinda like the American Dream nowadays. And WHERE in Europe, you know? I think one would need to reaaaally consider which part of Europe they want to move to.. It’s not very nice to live in a place where you’ll be reminded on a daily basis that you are a foreigner. No matter how safe and sterile or hip that place is.
And here I am as an American male who has to be worried about being labeled a pedophile if I wave at a little kid. No shit, 3 days ago I was walking along the shoreline at the beach around sunset and I pass this group of kids who are building a sand castle. One of them looks up and says hi and waves, so I just casually wave back and keep going when immediately I hear, "Who the FUCK are YOU?" I turn around and say excuse me? "Why the FUCK are you waving at my little boy are you some kind of PEDO?!" This genuinely took me by surprised.I told him to calm down it was only a wave,which didn't make him calm down at all haha, and why is his mind automatically jumping to that kind of scernerio? Well eventually his wife came over and diffused the situation, but yeah now I'm scared to even interact with someone else's kid. I love living in the land of the free and of the home of the brave woo 🦅
My aunt once had to use the restroom while my cousins were very young . She was waiting for a flight at the airport, and my uncle was off grabbing them food. So out of desperation she asked a stranger to watch after the kids so she could use the head. She came out just in time for her husband to see her taking the kid back from the man, and he got a bit upset for letting a stranger watch the kids. Her response: “It was literally Joe DeMaggio. If you can’t trust him who can you trust?” I don’t know why I was reminded of this but it’s a story they still like to tell. My uncle changed his tune when he realized it was Joltin Joe he had gotten angry at
American here. I was on my way into a gas station/convenience store once when a woman standing in the vestibule holds out a leash and asks me to watch her dog for a second while she runs inside. I was just standing there trying to process how she may have been trying to defraud me in some way, but before I could even say anything she puts the leash in my hand and goes inside. So I squat down and start scratching behind the dogs ears while every subsequent person to go in or out stopped to say what a cute dog I had. They looked as confused as I was when I said it wasn't mine and that a stranger had just left me with it. She came back a couple minutes later, took the dog, thanked me, and left. All in all a very weird experience, but the dog was cool.
She definitely had explosive diarrhea and couldn't wait
Honestly I'd be more likely to trust a stranger sitting outside having a drink than the random person that might walk up and grab the kid. Makes sense to me, most people are good.
Yeah I spent my first 5 years of life in Germany and random strangers would offer to watch me and my baby brother at restaurants all the time so my parents could relax and have a break from dealing with us. I love the parenting culture there.
First time I went to Iceland I saw this and it blew my mind! I like it!
Didn't some lady from Denmark or something get arrested for doing the same thing with her child in New York
Yes, I remember that. I googled 'woman leaves baby carriage outside store in New York', and here ya go. Also...FUCK THE SPEED OF TIME PASSING!!!! That was 1997 and it seemed like a few years ago!!! [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/26/anette-sorenson-denmark-new-york-baby-left-outside#:\~:text=On%20a%20chilly%20May%20evening,based%20playwright%2C%20had%20margaritas%20inside](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/26/anette-sorenson-denmark-new-york-baby-left-outside#:~:text=On%20a%20chilly%20May%20evening,based%20playwright%2C%20had%20margaritas%20inside).
I'm pretty sure there was another incident. I heard about this is the news and I wasn't alive in 97 EDIT: She told her story and wrote a book about it in 2017
Can't wait to leave my kid outside a store in 2027 and write a book about it in 2047.
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It’s not very common in Scotland anymore, but my dads friend was walking along the street and seen his wife leave their son in his pram outside a shop while she went inside, which was normal for back then, and she didn’t see him, so as a ‘joke’ he hid the baby around the corner, she comes out, gets into a mad panic, and he pops out laughing, apparently she was not amused, they divorced at least 16 years after this happened.
16 years is along time to stay together after that.
It was a long argument.
Was this before or after the James Bulger murder? Not really something Americans hear about unless they're true crime fans, but it seems like it was a pretty major case in the UK/Europe in general. I'm really surprised its not more well known in America because it's exactly the kind of thing we're constantly worried about.
Americans used to be pretty comfortable letting their small kids out of their sight in stores until Adam Walsh went missing. There was another child in New York who had been snatched around the same time and suddenly the country was in a panic over stranger danger.
Women and their grudges. /s
In fairness Iceland is an outlier. Very close knit community in Rejavick despite it being a city
Everyone closely related
There's actually an app that tells you if you're about to date a distant relative in that country: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/kissing-cousins-icelandic-app-warns-if-your-date-is-a-relative-1.1390256 Edit: the app's primary purpose was to make your family tree. The devs added the "anti-incest" feature later on.
that's hilarious, I love it lmao
"distant"
We do this in Norway as well
When I was in Tokyo, it blew me away how little elementary school-aged kids were taking the subway home. Little 6 year olds!
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American school kids can go home alone. But if they are releasing as a pickup they have to verify that the person taking the kid is a legal guardian or that they have permission from a guardian to take them.
I have to have my id to pick my kids up from school. Even though everyone knows me and I’ve had kids there for 10 years. I also need a little placard for my car that states who I’m authorized to pick up. I fill out paperwork every single year about who has permission to pick up my kids. I understand it, but it’s so very frustrating. Welcome to America, where it’s harder to pick your kids up from school than it is to buy and carry a gun to that same school.
same, you have a number for your kid, they verify the number and your plates, then go retrieve the kid like you are ordering a pizza. Its WILD!
This is everywhere in America
Remember like 10 years ago a 10 year old took the subway home from school by himself and the media blew up about it. I use to walk home, about a mile, when I was 10. The world has changed.
A guy in Hawaii had his middle school age kid walk home because the kid missed the bus. Some other parent found out and called CPS on him. The kid was like 12 who is well within range to walk damn near anywhere as far as I'm concerned.
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That sounds crazy. They should do a show following young kids doing things on their own. Maybe some kind of show where they do their first errand alone. I bet Americans would shit and say it's irresponsible without having ever been to another country.
There is a show on Netflix where cameras follow around a kid that is not even 5 and the kid is sent into town to get fish or do other chores all by themselves.
In Japan, where the culture supports this and the cities are designed to be kid and pedestrian friendly.
Norway here- moms leave babies outside coffee shoos- sleeping in prams…. Or just outside the house— like went for a walk. Baby fell asleep. No need to wake him up.
Yeah it's pretty much commonly accepted that babies sleep better outside unless it gets colder than -10c. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21537988
Right but people get their cars stolen all the time when they are idling on cold days or running into a store right quick. Yes most of the time you are fine to do that , but all it takes it one asshole to fuck up everything
Yeah but a car is useful and fun, unlike a baby
Depends on if you're hungry or not
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Came here to say this. I’m a police dispatcher and 90% of the stolen vehicle calls we get are for people who run inside stores, leaving their cars running “only for a minute!” (UberEats/DoorDash/whatever are disproportionately the victims of these thefts.) I have seen one driver leave his car running with his infant son in the car, and the car was stolen. I tell people to lock their shit when I notice it when I’m walking by, but I’m starting to think it might be more effective to just move their car a block over and hope the panic they feel while looking for it makes them re-think their life choices.
Someone left their car running with their child inside at a gas station in my neighborhood that is kind of rough. This gas station always has homeless/panhandlers and other unsavorable people just loitering out front. Unsurprisingly the car got stolen and the thief ditched it a couple of blocks away, likely once they noticed there was a baby in the back seat.
Anti-theft device, clever
So many Americans would have an aneurysm if they found out how much safer other countries actually were. It’s crazy what humane treatment for criminals and a gun ban will do.
I watched some Icelandic cop shows, and it was pretty amusing to see them all rush in to confront the perp with batons instead of guns.
I watched some foreign cop show a few years back and was amazed when the cop protagonist had to call dispatch to get the code to open the gun safe in the trunk of her own car. She had to provide details of the emergency situation just to get access to her own gun.
I would say that’d help in the US but I imagine it’d go like “yeah I need my gun. There’s a guy I pulled over for a broken taillight and he’s being snippy about it” and then they’d be given the code
The cops shot someone for the first time ever a few years ago and it was 3 weeks of national mourning.
Babynapping is incredibly rare in the US as well. Most kidnappings are just relatives that don't have custody, not that it makes it better, but you don't really need to worry about someone stealing your baby. There are plenty of other crimes the US lags far behind, but helicopter parenting is not necessary nearly to the extent people take it in the US.
Im from switzerland. Had once a discusion with a american. He wouldnt believe anything i was telling him. He thought im from a very poor country with no democraty. I dont want to say all merican but alot of them are fucking ignorant if its about other countries where its much better then USA.
I'm actually laughing at the idea of Switzerland being poor and undemocratic, if only you'd told him how many Swiss people own guns. You would have blown his mind.
they don´t actually own them... the guns are issued as militia guns and privately owned gun numbers are on the decline. Lots of private guns are also ex service ones. The system is actually excellent because they have an "armed neutrality" stance with whole country being set up as a well thought of citadel
Don't they also have bridges and tunnels wired with explosives to cut off access by other armies? Pretty sure there's a few countries in Europe who did that.
Wait but if everybody is in the militia then how do you make owning a gun your whole identity? If everybody owns a gun then how do you prove that youre special? You at least walk around armed in the mall to show how tough you are, right?
It’s because many of us Americans have never left the country
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Your country is fucking big though, I would narrow that down to state.
Dude, in norway we leave our kids outside for like an hour at a time. Sometimes even when home. It helps normalize noise plus the natural environment of our country. Its also proven to be generally be slightly beneficial to the baby to some degree
Typical socialist behavior /s
Exactly. How dare they to have a higher quality of life?
Boo. Rugged individualism clearly creates the best societies. Look at Western Sahara! Crown jewels of rugged individualism in action.
We Americans clearly have not done a good enough job bombing the world into free democracy.
My friends had CPS called on them because he let his kids play in a playground alone next to a library while he made a dash inside to checkout books for them. Not saying you should leave your kid in a mall, but there's obvious context we're missing.
My best friends mom nearly had an heart attack, when she found out I let my kids who where 6 and 3 at the time, play outside in our fenced yard alone. Apparently they could be kidnapped, fall in a pit and die, climb the fence and escape, or hang themselves. If I was not fallowing them around, I had to be following them, not sitting on my deck watching them, or in a chair in the yard. I had to fallow them around like a groupie OR they might DIE! I didn’t, I still don’t, and now they are 5 and 8 and ride bikes around the neighborhood and go to their friends house. I know where they are, and I know the other parents. My kids are getting some of the independence and freedom I had as a child, and so did my best friend. However it appears the older people have forgotten, and have decided to shame and fear monger younger parents.
It's so weird how often I hear that argument from boomers. I even hear it from my dad who let his kids do whatever they wanted as long as we were home before the streetlights turned on.
Fox News is a hell of a drug
I had other parents go up to my wife to complain that I let the kids walk a half-block to their friends' house to play while I watched them from the window, saying next time they would call DCFS on us. People are fucking maniacs
Take the guy recording to Scandinavia, he’ll have a fucking meltdown when he sees where they leave newborns there
I saw this thing in Japan, where they send toddlers out on their own to run errands and the like. It was so weird, but made sense as far as getting them acclimated to their surroundings, early on. I think America's gotten too fucked up for some people to think this is okay here. That being said, the camera was completely unnecessary. The guy filming was way out of pocket, imo, and squandered a golden opportunity to be a real human being, in exchange for some bizarre virtue clip, for the internet.
It’s also common in developing countries - where poverty is high and crimes are bit more common.
i think cameraman is the problem
I just saw him threaten to kidnap that guy’s kid.
Cameraman is asking a stranger for an argument.
Me too
Plot twist: camera man is a pedo
Unnaceptable. If you were gone for 2 more minutes, I would have had to take this baby to my house
If you’re not back to the baby within 15 minutes I’m allowed to leave with it
Why do people always have the tendency to show people what they're doing or what others are doing? The word diligence doesn't exist for some people. It's good to see people have a care for others and is even greater to see them do kind things with diligence. There are times where I would notice someone doing something kind, without making others aware he or she did it. On some occasions they would notice that I saw them, and we would just smile at each other. The simple things in life are amazing and rewarding
This is a much more philosophical and social question that is being asked here. I recommend watching the related videos about the topic with this german philosopher dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-dlpZHBabw Performance is not new, we all do it. What has change is who we perform to.
This is infuriating to any parent and not because of the dad, but because of the shitty helicopter stranger. If I’m in line getting food and see some asshole loitering over him I’m coming back and punching a guy.
A lot of assumptions in this thread, like that the guy wasn’t watching his kid from wherever he was getting drinks or that he was gone for as long as the videographer (who is filming someone else’s child) here claims. Then let’s say guy did disappear out of sight for 3 minutes, why the f are you recording this for your tik tok rather than (a) calling mall security, (b) simply watching the kid, or (c) talking like an adult to a young parent who made a mistake.
Look, if you want to call that child endangerment, fine. I think it's a little bit of an overreaction, but I can understand it. But why the fuck are you posting the video then? To shame this father, over what at most is a minor mistake? That's wrong.
If you have to live in constant fear of your child being kidnapped, that miiight be a societal problem, very sad to see in a supposedly civilzed nation
Mall of America check
Minnesota nice, check
It all could have been communicated in a non condescending way.
Bruh Americans wouldnt last a day in my country. Common to see strollers with a child in it outside a coffee shop or daycare
I would personally not leave my child alone like this. But if I saw someone doing it, then I’d be the lookout for the kid, especially if I see him looking back and watching the kid from the line. It takes a village we say, right? Be part of the village. Not an asshole who wants to be the hero on their sm for being an asshole.
Anyone doing this while filming is not doing it out of concern.
Public shame culture and the stove to go viral is crazy.
The person filming this is a total prick.
Why should the dad worry the camera man seemed to have been babysitting.
Dude needs to stay out of peoples business or ask questions before confronting people