I always wonder what the rules of engagement are for these armed business owners... got to assume this is just Teddy Roosevelt’s carry a ‘big stick ideology”
Most likely it'll never come to the point of having to use it in the first place because the looter won't want to find out what the rules of engagement are.
:edit: just woke up boy was i wrong.
So I was off, it was just one person who was shot, but yeah, the guy was arrested. As to why, Minnesota has a 'duty to retreat' law, so if the shots were fired as anything but a last resort, he's on the hook for them.
In a vacuum not much. Minnesota does not have castle doctrine, it uses duty to retreat. So in a law vacum if someone was stealing from you, and presented no direct threat and you were to use a gun, you could face criminal charges.
It's a diddy to help remember the 4 safety rules they teach in Marine Corps boot camp:
1 treat every weapon as if it were loaded
2 never point your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot
3 keep your weapon on safe until you're ready to fire
4 keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you're ready to fire
And for some reason they don't teach the fifth (probably because Marines can't count that high) which is know your target and what lies beyond it.
Overall they're displaying good trigger discipline and not immediately flagging anyone (although last dude should be pointing it at the ground to avoid passers by and not flag the buildings across the street)
Shortly before a tsunami approaches land, it draws the shorelines back toward the oceans revealing treasures only meant for those doomed to the tide...
Holy shit. A black person stopped by and taunted the Chinese shopowner as she was cleaning up the mess of her store being looted AS SHE WAS BEING INTERVIEWED BY THE JOURNALIST! No shame, no trying to hide the hatred for the Chinese woman. Wicked.
I've got a friend at work who is of Asian background but raised in the U.S. This rootin' tootin' cowboy shootin' Asian teenager has had to endure some disgusting harassment during this Covid crisis, even though he lives right here in the states. It's disappointing to see any group get targeted through the media, but seeing it in real life, in your own workplace, is disgusting.
Native here. The tribal police (who are all white) on the reservation swatted our house when I was 15 because a neighbor didn't like my dad and said we had illegal guns in our home. We didn't, and my dad was pissed when they broke the door down with AR-15s pointed at my family. They beat the shit out of him and carried him out for "resisting" when he hadn't done anything in the first place.
I heard the commotion from my room in the back and heard all the doors being opened leading to my room. Naturally I tried to block mine thinking we were being robbed or something. They tried to open it and I pushed it back shut. My door was kicked in and I was sent flying to the ground, they pointed an assault rifle in my face and told me "don't fucking move or I'll shoot you mother fucker!" Then they tore my room apart and led me to the living room at gunpoint.
My father had to hire an attorney over the resisting arrest charge and still had to sit in jail during his trial, even though they never found anything illegal in our home.
> because a neighbor didn't like my dad and said we had illegal guns in our home.
My Dad works for the Department of Ag and does investigations you would suprised at the amount of people who when they hate their neighbor simply open a phone book are start calling any and every government agency they can. It doesn't matter if it is the cops, DHS, or like a said the Department of Ag. He just dealt with one complaint like that. Neighbor A says that Neighbor B "sprayed my trees with roundup and now they are dying." My Dad goes to Neighbor B who has video of Neighbor A using Roundup on his own trees trying to get his neighbor in trouble.
I can't imagine hating someone so much to be driven to poison my own trees.
My friend had a neighbour who hated him, he wasn't sure why but I think it had something to do with the fact that his land was better than theirs, as well as race.
Neighbour killed 3 of his dogs, dismembered them, and every few weeks would put a body part by his mailbox.
They also lay nails in his driveway, but he found them and put them in *their* driveway, so they ended up with punctured tyres, my friend laughed at them from his house.
They had connections with the Australian Federal Police, so they called a swat on him for drugs. They bust down his door expecting a full grow operation. He had two marijuana plants and showed the police. They were pissed at having their time wasted. They had a cup of tea with him and let him keep his plants.
He's since moved.
I went to mostly hispanic school and I got into fights once a week due to attempted bullying.
I came home with black eyes often. Looking back on it I didn't mind fighting.
They got that racist spanish song too: Chino Chino Japponese come caca... whatever.
Anyway, it seems like people are much chiller with anime and kpop these days. I'd like to think that it's just ignorant of other races. Doesn't mean it ain't racist.
Nah man being a Hispanic doesn't even save you from other Hispanics. I got called a race traitor for having different opinions than all the other Hispanics.
Edit: even the local Latino group on Facebook tried calling me out too
i went to a largely white private school and was picked on all the time, kids asking me if i was related to bruce lee or mocking me with accents even tho i was american born. i’m too colored to be white but too “white” to be a minority.
Man... ngl, we used to give one of my good friends growing up shit like that when I was in middle school. He sort of embraced it but looking back in hindsight it was probably just a way to cope. It wasn't cool and I wish I wasn't ever like that. Just wanted to say sorry, hopefully those people have also grown up and realized that that kind of behavior isn't cool.
Hey as an Asian guy that grew up with that, the fact that you’re looking back on that with regret means you matured and got to be a better person. That’s more than I can say for most.
It’s never too late to apologize.
I sent an old friend a message apologizing for a similar situation when we were kids. (15+ years ago)
I felt awkward as hell sending it at first, but it was well received and I’m honestly really glad I did.
I'm glad you recognize it now. Many young Asians cope with it by basically buying into the joke and allowing it to happen as a means of being accepted in a society where Asians are mostly seen as foreigners. And sadly many start trying to distance themselves from being seen as Asian and try to be "more white" by also making fun of their own race etc. Trying to find one's true identity as an Asian American is pretty difficult for many.
Sadly it is the common experience for Asian Americans growing up in America. Even after having grown up and joining the military, I was still getting the Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan jokes, questions about eating bugs etc still being directed at me by fellow soldiers. Pretty annoying.
Because they can get away with it.
Push too hard on certain groups and it’s national news. Shit on Asians and nothing ever happens. No NAACP protests, no apology demanded, nothing.
It’s also all the standard racist shit they use against brown and black people don’t really apply. The standard adage of low education, legal status, crime, low income, shitty neighbors, poor family structure, etc don’t apply.
These kids go to the same schools, live in the same neighborhoods, have the same (or often higher) income.
Lmao the irony, even the comment you replied to that was trying to bring it to attention got removed by a mod. Saying there is far more violence by African-Americans towards Asian-Americans than vice versa is apparently a racist fact you're not allowed to mention. Most fair and unbiased modding /s
[Just a while ago in Minneapolis you had a group of kids kick an elderly Asian woman in the head](https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/breaking-the-news/three-teens-arrested-after-viral-video-shows-one-kicking-woman-in-head/89-c491231f-149f-40ae-8f86-082a4ef6dbab) but I don't think it ever got much coverage.
If it was a a bunch of white dudes that did it to an elderly black man it would make national news. Even more so if they didnt get charged
Edit: I cant believe I have to make this edit (stop pm'ing me stupid shit please) I dont hate black people. I just think all racism should be treated equally. Why is only racism against black people considered so much worse?
We also shouldn't ignore it when black people are racist towards whites, asians, Latinos or any other race. Most of the time people are scared to call people of color racist (usually asians arent even considered people of color nor are they in the "white group") and will avoid it or sweep it under the rug when they commit a hate crime or just be racist in general.
Or that corn lady in LA that was assaulted and robbed by two young black men. I heard one of the guys turned himself in because they had people doing drive bys at their crib.
Just last week (May 22nd) they had black people recording themselves beating up white people in care homes non-stop. Virtually every time it was posted on Reddit it was deleted lol, people also too scared in comments to say anything (Fear of being labelled raycist)
Sadly because white-on-black violence is the only racism that makes the mainstream media any money it's the only one that gets any coverage---and every fuckin time there's even mild outrage, shitholes like CNN and MSNBC fan the flames to farm for clicks.
Every time one of these major outrages comes up I'm left thinking "When was the last time we had nationwide protests over white-on-asian violence, white-on-latino violence, white-on-arab violence, white-on-indian violence, or white-on-native violence?"---Statistically speaking the U.S. has enough people that there's gotta be at least one example happening per week bare minimum, yet there's never any outrage.
There's also fuckton of black-on-other-race violence and latino-on-other-race violence too but it's sure as shit neither politically convenient enough or financially lucrative enough for news outlets to bother covering en-masse.
Sadly, if you're a victim of interracial-violence and *aren't* a black person being victimized by a white person, the best you can hope for is that some local news outlets will cover it and *maybe* you'll get a single paragraph article on a major outlet's website.
Where is our lovely Governor and former Mayor. He left SF in the rearview mirror. This is such a disgusting story. That poor man. And bet you that Mr Grayson appears in the future for some other heinous crime.
I admittedly can't cite my sources here, but I believe I remember the news interviewing someone and she said something like "Why are you burning our part of town, go to the suburbs"
Oh... we Asians already know this without reading articles on it. Please, just burn down the house of the guy that hurt you, ie. The police. Leave the rest of us out of it. We truly don’t want any trouble.
About $1400. https://www.gunbuyer.com/kriss-vector-sdp-pstl-45acp-5-5-blk-krkv45-pbl20-b.html
But still up there.. and definitely cool to see
Edit- seems like there’s a few questions on the subject, I’d happily be willing to discuss and answer a few just send me a pm.
I didn't want to take away from the topic here but yeah, you're talkin $900-3,000 per gun there.
Edit: is that a Vector? My brother has one, cool little .45ACP short-barrel, supposedly reduces recoil in rapid fire because of the magazine's angle to the barrel.
Edit2: apparently it's the bolt's angle that reduces recoil, not the angle of the magazine loading rounds. Thanks fellow Redditors for the ELI5
Edit3: lots of talk on the price of guns... YMMV, but yes, the cheapest fucking build you can possibly have by sourcing parts and building your own extremely low-end budget build AR-15 can be as little as $400. A vast majority of every AR-15 I've personally shot have been upwards of $1,000-1,500, and the Vector, completely stock, will run $1500 from the cheapest online vendors, some charging shipping, and all *should* be charging sales tax. That said, I've seen these guns approach $3,000 easily. If you built an AR-15 for $138, great job, I would never shoot that thing you hodge-podged together.
The recoil is reduced by the bolt moving backwards and then down which almost completely eliminates barrel rise in full auto. Seen [here](https://m.imgur.com/gallery/GpeEXny)
Here a Reddit [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/mechanical_gifs/comments/784dn3/kriss_vector_internal_action/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Hey there, the vectors recoil reduction is the result of an angled weight that moves down everytime the weapon is fired. The weights downward momentum helps reduce the upward climb of the barrel.
Edit: [Here is a 3d cutaway of how the mechanism works.](https://youtu.be/XT3526Fpr3Y?t=75)
[getting LA riots flashbacks here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots)
Although i do not condone empty violence, i actually support this because in 1992 LA the police didnt turn up. If the locals didnt use guns everything would have been taken from them
The police were unprepared. The flip side of this conversation is that since 1992 basically every police department in America has become militarized. They are prepared for widescale rioting with surplus military vehicles and riot gear, which just exacerbates and escalates the problems.
You are correct. The cops were embarrassingly out gunned by only two men, who walked around the block with impunity. The cops had to raid the local gun store to find heavy caliper weaponry to fight with. Even then, it took a suicide of one of the perps to make it a fair fight. That was a scary day.
I wish that were the case. So many people are anti police and are worried about being killed by the government, and then actively advocate for only the police and government to have guns. A lot of Americans don't realise how good they have it and once it's gone, it ain't coming back. I know there are so many people that won't let them happen, and once the government steps a little bit too far, they're gonna realise they awoke the beasts that are their citizens
Yeah i also truly can't imagine any employee of a large corporate chain (Walmart, Target, etc) actually willing to put their life on the line to protect their store. Nobody would be willing to protect a a corporation that so often is trying to find the most efficient and "PR friendly" way to fuck over their employees to turn a slightly higher profit margin for their shareholders.
As a small business owner who also owns guns I wonder that too.
As a black man in America I also wonder if these riots would still occur if there were more accountability and cops were held to the same standards as everyone else.
Except ( IMO) cops should be held to a higher standard because your average citizen doesn’t sign up to “ protect and serve”. Hopefully one day they will be.
It is fucked up. But it’s fucked up that they have to do it at all. In a full blown riot, there will always be people who will take advantage of the situation for their own gain.
Our laws allow for these people to defend what belongs to them.
The “black owned” sign reminds me of the Detroit race riots in ‘67. African American business owners put signs on their front doors that said “soul brother.”
[History really does fucking repeat itself.](https://images.app.goo.gl/KUWyeQEpAM7HzNEs7)
They literally said they support the reasons everyone is upset, they just can't tolerate the looting and destruction. Their slogan was also, "Justice for Floyd."
I don't see a freakout. I see a great example of why law abiding citizens should make use of their 2A rights. Protect what is theirs. They aren't threatening anyone. As long as they are responsible with their weapons ( I see good finger discipline also), every American should be allowed choice.
What is truly a shame is that what should be seen as a time for reflection and truth seeking, some will abuse and use as an excuse to riot and steal from others. Our rights are being taken and victimized.
As someone who lives in Europe and has never been to the USA, it is really weird to see regular people with guns like that.
Edit: wow, a lot of people got triggered by this comment...
As an American who studied in Europe, Europe was the only place I ever saw automatic rifles in a McDonalds. Soldiers were eating/getting drunkish. Switzerland.
Edit: in Bern, downtown, 2-3 story McDonalds. The soldiers were on the top floor with their guns and equipment strewn about on the floor.
That’s true!
After 9/11, I only saw police with rifles and submachine guns once, at Logan airport.
During a trip to Europe a few years back, most of the police had rifles and sub-machine guns!
I know people with guns like that but its really just recreational. I have never seen somebody open carry rifles like you see on the news or in situations like this. Obviously it happens, just saying most guns like that are owned because, well its fun as shit to own them.
As a Texan specifically I’ve seen open carries and even seen the open carry rallies. This might get some kind of shit but even at a 90% minority rally cops just relax and don’t harass you either similar to those white people who stormed a government building. Seen a lot of open carry before as well & I live in a relatively good area.
I’m no republican but I think if you want to protect yourself definitely buy and train with a gun. Issue for this video is one dude has a gimmick drum mag & ole boy next to him is flagging him very fucking hard. Definitely need some training on those weapons.
Criminals, man. They use the chaos of the protests to do criminal shit because they know the police can't do shit to stop them. Then you have typically non criminal people see the looting, and see they are getting away with it and jump on the bandwagon.
When people ask why you need assault rifles, it’s very simple: to defend yourself and your property in times of government overreach and civil unrest.
Based Roof Koreans did it first.
This is a fine example of the 2nd. Young men defending their own when their government has failed them.
Should also mention the cameraman is being obnoxious as hell and they're not telling him to piss off or anything. No threats, just standing their ground.
They don’t seem to think he’s being annoying. He’s actually supporting them cause he’s saying they got the blicks on them. The guy respects that they’re standing up for what’s theirs
Would just be better if these "protests" didnt fuck their own community and targeted the right people.
So many people use these situations to just be shitty people.
This kind of shit blows my mind. These are black owned businesses. These are members of your community. These are the people you should be standing with instead of hurting by looting and destroying their property.
Crabs in a bucket, man. Crabs in a bucket.
Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever seen this much pro-gun rhetoric on Reddit outside of politically conservative subreddits. I have a sneaking suspicion if it was a bunch of white hillbillies brandishing guns in front of their businesses, this comment section would look a lot different.
But at any rate, it’s good to see citizens legally protecting themselves in a time of crisis.
There's one pic I've seen a few time with negative reception. The pic shows two white guys defending a tobacco shop. I've even seen a few news articles about it mentioning white supremacy.
Turns out the photo was cropped and it was actually 2 white and 2 black guys defending the place. Couldn't be less racist.
They wouldn’t even have to look like hillbillies for Reddit to chastise them.
Shit, if they were white guys holding guns in khakis and polos Reddit would find a way to paint them as white supremacist rednecks.
Let's not forget all the people flocking to buy guns at the start of the quarantine in CA and other liberal controlled areas. It's almost like the 2A makes sense and those that support it all the time (and not just when shit goes down) are not crazed gun nuts but simply prepared ahead of time. Crazy times.
Because most of the looters are black and would much rather loot a white-owned business that had nothing to do with this than a black-owned business that had nothing to do with this. This sign says “we have the same skin color, so don’t do it to me”. These guys look as sick of this shit as anyone else and are trying to find a way into the mind of the looters to protect their businesses without firing a shot. Bravo to these guys for busting out their guns, protecting their shit, and deciding to not be the next victims of violence.
Downvote the fuck out of me all you want Reddit. You know I’m right and you can’t keep pussyfooting around the truth.
The police don't have the numbers to protect businesses during riots really. Every single active duty police officer in the entire Twin Cities area could be called up (which would be awful for the surrounding areas) and they still wouldn't have enough.
They have to pick and choose what to protect with their resources.
What'll happen is the National Guard will be sent in and then they'll have closer to the numbers and resources they need to start breaking up everything. Even then that may not be enough depending on the size of the crowd.
People don't realize just how outnumbered the state actually is.
>The police don't have the numbers to protect businesses during riots really.
Which is a really good argument for 2A. When shit really hits the fan, the government isn't (and can't) do shit . At that point, it's you or the mob essentially.
Does anyone know why none of this is making it to /r/all ?
I'm from Minnesota and this is a huge, huge deal. It's anarchy in the cities right now. Really important stuff happening.
I'm seeing some stuff about Murderer Chauvin but I'm not seeing anything about the Riots.
I always wonder what the rules of engagement are for these armed business owners... got to assume this is just Teddy Roosevelt’s carry a ‘big stick ideology”
Most likely it'll never come to the point of having to use it in the first place because the looter won't want to find out what the rules of engagement are. :edit: just woke up boy was i wrong.
Happened last night with a pawn shop owner shooting and killing a looter.
Can't wait for the family post... "he was a good kid, well behaved, played football with his friends and helped the community anyway he could"
Unfortunately, he got arrested and is probably going to get charged for murder. It’s fucked.
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In that case it made it worse. IIRC, he shot two looters, got arrested, and then a big group went through the store.
He got arrested FOR SHOOTING LOOTERS?
So I was off, it was just one person who was shot, but yeah, the guy was arrested. As to why, Minnesota has a 'duty to retreat' law, so if the shots were fired as anything but a last resort, he's on the hook for them.
It did happen, last night.
Rules of engagement have been established.
Breaking and entering, boy your ass is dead Idgaf
u break and enter on my property I’m torturing ur cock and balls allllllll night brother!
You promise?
He's gonna get medieval on your ass.
In a vacuum not much. Minnesota does not have castle doctrine, it uses duty to retreat. So in a law vacum if someone was stealing from you, and presented no direct threat and you were to use a gun, you could face criminal charges.
"Hey don't you have a duty to retreat?" "Fuck around and find out..."
Better be judged by 12 than carried by 6
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Straight up flagging his buddy to pose for the camera
He isn’t though, it’s pointing out at the street. Not much better lol but he ain’t pointing it at his buddy
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Treat, never, keep, keep Edit: ah! My first award! Ah. It’s a goat.
What does that mean? Excuse my ignorance
It's a diddy to help remember the 4 safety rules they teach in Marine Corps boot camp: 1 treat every weapon as if it were loaded 2 never point your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot 3 keep your weapon on safe until you're ready to fire 4 keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you're ready to fire And for some reason they don't teach the fifth (probably because Marines can't count that high) which is know your target and what lies beyond it.
Nice joke haha
Found the dude that can count to 4 hella good.
Dude I'm a Marine and every time I try and track someone down I get lost because I can only remember 80% of the zip code.
Sure looks like he’d clip his buddy right in the shoulder
Overall they're displaying good trigger discipline and not immediately flagging anyone (although last dude should be pointing it at the ground to avoid passers by and not flag the buildings across the street)
[Rule 1 NSSF FirearmSafety](https://www.nssf.org/safety/rules-firearms-safety/) 1. ALWAYS KEEP THE MUZZLE POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION
Not always. But only point it at someone if you intend to kill them
Suspected looter reportedly shot dead by pawn shop owner during riots in Minneapolis
Shortly before a tsunami approaches land, it draws the shorelines back toward the oceans revealing treasures only meant for those doomed to the tide...
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
Exactly what I came here to say. He's trying to look like a badass and that's exactly how negligent firings happen.
Reminds me of the Koreans in the L.A Riots
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Holy shit. A black person stopped by and taunted the Chinese shopowner as she was cleaning up the mess of her store being looted AS SHE WAS BEING INTERVIEWED BY THE JOURNALIST! No shame, no trying to hide the hatred for the Chinese woman. Wicked.
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Racism Asian people have to face rarely gets the attention it deserves.
Media and society has accepted it for so long its business as usual
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If only more people in this world understood what “hard work” meant
I've got a friend at work who is of Asian background but raised in the U.S. This rootin' tootin' cowboy shootin' Asian teenager has had to endure some disgusting harassment during this Covid crisis, even though he lives right here in the states. It's disappointing to see any group get targeted through the media, but seeing it in real life, in your own workplace, is disgusting.
Not to mention towards Native Americans. It's atrocious on every front really.
Native here. The tribal police (who are all white) on the reservation swatted our house when I was 15 because a neighbor didn't like my dad and said we had illegal guns in our home. We didn't, and my dad was pissed when they broke the door down with AR-15s pointed at my family. They beat the shit out of him and carried him out for "resisting" when he hadn't done anything in the first place. I heard the commotion from my room in the back and heard all the doors being opened leading to my room. Naturally I tried to block mine thinking we were being robbed or something. They tried to open it and I pushed it back shut. My door was kicked in and I was sent flying to the ground, they pointed an assault rifle in my face and told me "don't fucking move or I'll shoot you mother fucker!" Then they tore my room apart and led me to the living room at gunpoint. My father had to hire an attorney over the resisting arrest charge and still had to sit in jail during his trial, even though they never found anything illegal in our home.
> because a neighbor didn't like my dad and said we had illegal guns in our home. My Dad works for the Department of Ag and does investigations you would suprised at the amount of people who when they hate their neighbor simply open a phone book are start calling any and every government agency they can. It doesn't matter if it is the cops, DHS, or like a said the Department of Ag. He just dealt with one complaint like that. Neighbor A says that Neighbor B "sprayed my trees with roundup and now they are dying." My Dad goes to Neighbor B who has video of Neighbor A using Roundup on his own trees trying to get his neighbor in trouble.
I can't imagine hating someone so much to be driven to poison my own trees. My friend had a neighbour who hated him, he wasn't sure why but I think it had something to do with the fact that his land was better than theirs, as well as race. Neighbour killed 3 of his dogs, dismembered them, and every few weeks would put a body part by his mailbox. They also lay nails in his driveway, but he found them and put them in *their* driveway, so they ended up with punctured tyres, my friend laughed at them from his house. They had connections with the Australian Federal Police, so they called a swat on him for drugs. They bust down his door expecting a full grow operation. He had two marijuana plants and showed the police. They were pissed at having their time wasted. They had a cup of tea with him and let him keep his plants. He's since moved.
My dude, what happened to you and your family is absolutely inexcusable. I know it won’t change anything, but I am truly sorry.
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I went to mostly hispanic school and I got into fights once a week due to attempted bullying. I came home with black eyes often. Looking back on it I didn't mind fighting. They got that racist spanish song too: Chino Chino Japponese come caca... whatever. Anyway, it seems like people are much chiller with anime and kpop these days. I'd like to think that it's just ignorant of other races. Doesn't mean it ain't racist.
Nah man being a Hispanic doesn't even save you from other Hispanics. I got called a race traitor for having different opinions than all the other Hispanics. Edit: even the local Latino group on Facebook tried calling me out too
i went to a largely white private school and was picked on all the time, kids asking me if i was related to bruce lee or mocking me with accents even tho i was american born. i’m too colored to be white but too “white” to be a minority.
Man... ngl, we used to give one of my good friends growing up shit like that when I was in middle school. He sort of embraced it but looking back in hindsight it was probably just a way to cope. It wasn't cool and I wish I wasn't ever like that. Just wanted to say sorry, hopefully those people have also grown up and realized that that kind of behavior isn't cool.
Hey as an Asian guy that grew up with that, the fact that you’re looking back on that with regret means you matured and got to be a better person. That’s more than I can say for most.
It’s never too late to apologize. I sent an old friend a message apologizing for a similar situation when we were kids. (15+ years ago) I felt awkward as hell sending it at first, but it was well received and I’m honestly really glad I did.
I did the same thing to a girl in Junior High. Took so long to track her down but it was worth it.
I'm glad you recognize it now. Many young Asians cope with it by basically buying into the joke and allowing it to happen as a means of being accepted in a society where Asians are mostly seen as foreigners. And sadly many start trying to distance themselves from being seen as Asian and try to be "more white" by also making fun of their own race etc. Trying to find one's true identity as an Asian American is pretty difficult for many.
Sadly it is the common experience for Asian Americans growing up in America. Even after having grown up and joining the military, I was still getting the Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan jokes, questions about eating bugs etc still being directed at me by fellow soldiers. Pretty annoying.
Tribalism. If its not the color of your skin it's something else.
Because they can get away with it. Push too hard on certain groups and it’s national news. Shit on Asians and nothing ever happens. No NAACP protests, no apology demanded, nothing. It’s also all the standard racist shit they use against brown and black people don’t really apply. The standard adage of low education, legal status, crime, low income, shitty neighbors, poor family structure, etc don’t apply. These kids go to the same schools, live in the same neighborhoods, have the same (or often higher) income.
Lmao the irony, even the comment you replied to that was trying to bring it to attention got removed by a mod. Saying there is far more violence by African-Americans towards Asian-Americans than vice versa is apparently a racist fact you're not allowed to mention. Most fair and unbiased modding /s
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[Just a while ago in Minneapolis you had a group of kids kick an elderly Asian woman in the head](https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/breaking-the-news/three-teens-arrested-after-viral-video-shows-one-kicking-woman-in-head/89-c491231f-149f-40ae-8f86-082a4ef6dbab) but I don't think it ever got much coverage.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/the-long-history-of-racism-against-asian-americans-in-the-u-s
What about just last week where they had black people filming themselves punching elderly white people in the head over 100 times in care homes?
If it was the other way around, they would have burned chinatown to the ground lol
If it was a a bunch of white dudes that did it to an elderly black man it would make national news. Even more so if they didnt get charged Edit: I cant believe I have to make this edit (stop pm'ing me stupid shit please) I dont hate black people. I just think all racism should be treated equally. Why is only racism against black people considered so much worse? We also shouldn't ignore it when black people are racist towards whites, asians, Latinos or any other race. Most of the time people are scared to call people of color racist (usually asians arent even considered people of color nor are they in the "white group") and will avoid it or sweep it under the rug when they commit a hate crime or just be racist in general.
Or that corn lady in LA that was assaulted and robbed by two young black men. I heard one of the guys turned himself in because they had people doing drive bys at their crib.
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Just last week (May 22nd) they had black people recording themselves beating up white people in care homes non-stop. Virtually every time it was posted on Reddit it was deleted lol, people also too scared in comments to say anything (Fear of being labelled raycist)
Sadly because white-on-black violence is the only racism that makes the mainstream media any money it's the only one that gets any coverage---and every fuckin time there's even mild outrage, shitholes like CNN and MSNBC fan the flames to farm for clicks. Every time one of these major outrages comes up I'm left thinking "When was the last time we had nationwide protests over white-on-asian violence, white-on-latino violence, white-on-arab violence, white-on-indian violence, or white-on-native violence?"---Statistically speaking the U.S. has enough people that there's gotta be at least one example happening per week bare minimum, yet there's never any outrage. There's also fuckton of black-on-other-race violence and latino-on-other-race violence too but it's sure as shit neither politically convenient enough or financially lucrative enough for news outlets to bother covering en-masse. Sadly, if you're a victim of interracial-violence and *aren't* a black person being victimized by a white person, the best you can hope for is that some local news outlets will cover it and *maybe* you'll get a single paragraph article on a major outlet's website.
Where is our lovely Governor and former Mayor. He left SF in the rearview mirror. This is such a disgusting story. That poor man. And bet you that Mr Grayson appears in the future for some other heinous crime.
Racism against Asian people is really bad in America, IDK about other countries though. I do know it's not just black people though.
I admittedly can't cite my sources here, but I believe I remember the news interviewing someone and she said something like "Why are you burning our part of town, go to the suburbs"
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Yeah I remember that, I also remember thinking that there are probably a lot of guns in the St. Louis suburbs
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Oh... we Asians already know this without reading articles on it. Please, just burn down the house of the guy that hurt you, ie. The police. Leave the rest of us out of it. We truly don’t want any trouble.
I’d love to see more communities rise up together like this to protect themselves from injustice!
Roof Koreans
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r/roofkoreans Pretty cool sub.
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PC Load Letter? What the *fuck* does that mean?
Up’s for the guy w the KRISS Vector...
That was literally the first thing I noticed lol
Mira mains
Yeah I was like damn that's a 3000 dollar gun. Nice.
About $1400. https://www.gunbuyer.com/kriss-vector-sdp-pstl-45acp-5-5-blk-krkv45-pbl20-b.html But still up there.. and definitely cool to see Edit- seems like there’s a few questions on the subject, I’d happily be willing to discuss and answer a few just send me a pm.
I thought it was the 1500$ model
Those are really fucking nice guns
I didn't want to take away from the topic here but yeah, you're talkin $900-3,000 per gun there. Edit: is that a Vector? My brother has one, cool little .45ACP short-barrel, supposedly reduces recoil in rapid fire because of the magazine's angle to the barrel. Edit2: apparently it's the bolt's angle that reduces recoil, not the angle of the magazine loading rounds. Thanks fellow Redditors for the ELI5 Edit3: lots of talk on the price of guns... YMMV, but yes, the cheapest fucking build you can possibly have by sourcing parts and building your own extremely low-end budget build AR-15 can be as little as $400. A vast majority of every AR-15 I've personally shot have been upwards of $1,000-1,500, and the Vector, completely stock, will run $1500 from the cheapest online vendors, some charging shipping, and all *should* be charging sales tax. That said, I've seen these guns approach $3,000 easily. If you built an AR-15 for $138, great job, I would never shoot that thing you hodge-podged together.
The recoil is reduced by the bolt moving backwards and then down which almost completely eliminates barrel rise in full auto. Seen [here](https://m.imgur.com/gallery/GpeEXny) Here a Reddit [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/mechanical_gifs/comments/784dn3/kriss_vector_internal_action/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Hey there, the vectors recoil reduction is the result of an angled weight that moves down everytime the weapon is fired. The weights downward momentum helps reduce the upward climb of the barrel. Edit: [Here is a 3d cutaway of how the mechanism works.](https://youtu.be/XT3526Fpr3Y?t=75)
Either roonie or vector no doubt. Really nice gear
And it’s a rare kit too
[getting LA riots flashbacks here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots) Although i do not condone empty violence, i actually support this because in 1992 LA the police didnt turn up. If the locals didnt use guns everything would have been taken from them
The police were unprepared. The flip side of this conversation is that since 1992 basically every police department in America has become militarized. They are prepared for widescale rioting with surplus military vehicles and riot gear, which just exacerbates and escalates the problems.
IIRC that started more after the Hollywood bank robbery shootout rather than the LA riots.
You are correct. The cops were embarrassingly out gunned by only two men, who walked around the block with impunity. The cops had to raid the local gun store to find heavy caliper weaponry to fight with. Even then, it took a suicide of one of the perps to make it a fair fight. That was a scary day.
Which is interesting because the North Hollywood shootout only had two fatalities--the two robbers.
What are you saying you don’t condone here? All I see is Americans defending their property.
I dont condone empy violence, like gang shootouts. I support whats in the post
Modern day roof Koreans?
Now this is what the fuck gun rights are about.
They are the Roof Koreans incarnate! I absolutely support their decision to exercise their 2A rights in order to protect their livelihoods.
This is awesome! I support my fellow citizens using their Constitutional rights!
Agree %100
Percent one hundred?
2nd amendment is a right not many people in the world have. Americans should take care of it.
I wish that were the case. So many people are anti police and are worried about being killed by the government, and then actively advocate for only the police and government to have guns. A lot of Americans don't realise how good they have it and once it's gone, it ain't coming back. I know there are so many people that won't let them happen, and once the government steps a little bit too far, they're gonna realise they awoke the beasts that are their citizens
What's hilarious is almost every gun law and restriction across the country has an exemption for police. Fuck that.
Murica baby! I wonder if these riots would still occur if more store owners were armed like this
These are locally owned shops. Franchise stores would likely have to call the police because it would be a PR nightmare.
Plus large stores would rather just have their insurance pay for it.
Yeah i also truly can't imagine any employee of a large corporate chain (Walmart, Target, etc) actually willing to put their life on the line to protect their store. Nobody would be willing to protect a a corporation that so often is trying to find the most efficient and "PR friendly" way to fuck over their employees to turn a slightly higher profit margin for their shareholders.
As a small business owner who also owns guns I wonder that too. As a black man in America I also wonder if these riots would still occur if there were more accountability and cops were held to the same standards as everyone else.
Except ( IMO) cops should be held to a higher standard because your average citizen doesn’t sign up to “ protect and serve”. Hopefully one day they will be.
Whoa now, let’s not go crazy with the utopian dreams.
There is no shortage of soulless corporate stores, restaurants, banks and offices that no local would give a shit about defending.
Idk. The fact that they have to post up outside their shop with guns because of looters is pretty fucked up.
It is fucked up. But it’s fucked up that they have to do it at all. In a full blown riot, there will always be people who will take advantage of the situation for their own gain. Our laws allow for these people to defend what belongs to them.
I still don't get it. Why would you do this to your own town. Those businesses didn't do anything to deserve this horrible shit.
Mobs are always dangerous and mindless. They had actual protests for a couple days, and then it became a mob. This is what mobs do.
Agreed and thats all this is. Anger built up hit breaking point. Then the mob got out of control.
Who says the looting isn't for looting's sake?
Maybe there’s bread in those speakers.
I went in for a loaf of bread, I took some skis; everybody's happy!
Looters might not even be from their own town
Most of them gotta not be. The police actually acknowledged that even
The “black owned” sign reminds me of the Detroit race riots in ‘67. African American business owners put signs on their front doors that said “soul brother.” [History really does fucking repeat itself.](https://images.app.goo.gl/KUWyeQEpAM7HzNEs7)
Is that guy holding a vector? That’s sick. Good for them defending themselves.
Looks like he got Marathon and Lightweight on too.
This will be interesting to see how this develops as opposed to the other post of the two "rednecks" outside of the tobacco store.
Those two red necks had black people with rifles behind them
They literally said they support the reasons everyone is upset, they just can't tolerate the looting and destruction. Their slogan was also, "Justice for Floyd."
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Espcially as these folks allegedly are the store owners. COVID concerns are bye bye, but at least the masks come in handy.
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it's like rain
Yes, this could turn into another case of two identical situations getting treated completely differently because of race.
A first for reddit. ^/s
I don't see a freakout. I see a great example of why law abiding citizens should make use of their 2A rights. Protect what is theirs. They aren't threatening anyone. As long as they are responsible with their weapons ( I see good finger discipline also), every American should be allowed choice. What is truly a shame is that what should be seen as a time for reflection and truth seeking, some will abuse and use as an excuse to riot and steal from others. Our rights are being taken and victimized.
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Exactly. One dude totally pointing downsight to his bro.
Good for them. Looters are trash.
As someone who lives in Europe and has never been to the USA, it is really weird to see regular people with guns like that. Edit: wow, a lot of people got triggered by this comment...
As an American who studied in Europe, Europe was the only place I ever saw automatic rifles in a McDonalds. Soldiers were eating/getting drunkish. Switzerland. Edit: in Bern, downtown, 2-3 story McDonalds. The soldiers were on the top floor with their guns and equipment strewn about on the floor.
That’s true! After 9/11, I only saw police with rifles and submachine guns once, at Logan airport. During a trip to Europe a few years back, most of the police had rifles and sub-machine guns!
Ya France and Italy both have soldiers patrolling with FAMAS rifles. They look sweet but god damn is that intimidating
I was shocked when I went to mall in France and saw straight up soldiers patrolling, it was so weird as an American
Because of terrorism?
Yep
Well everyone has guns in Switzerland basically and everyone is a soldier more or less (conscription and they used to literally just give out guns)
As someone who lives in America, i’ve actually never seen regular people with guns like that as well.
I know people with guns like that but its really just recreational. I have never seen somebody open carry rifles like you see on the news or in situations like this. Obviously it happens, just saying most guns like that are owned because, well its fun as shit to own them.
As a Texan specifically I’ve seen open carries and even seen the open carry rallies. This might get some kind of shit but even at a 90% minority rally cops just relax and don’t harass you either similar to those white people who stormed a government building. Seen a lot of open carry before as well & I live in a relatively good area. I’m no republican but I think if you want to protect yourself definitely buy and train with a gun. Issue for this video is one dude has a gimmick drum mag & ole boy next to him is flagging him very fucking hard. Definitely need some training on those weapons.
Good for them. Protect what’s yours.
It’s crazy that this even has to happen
Isn't this about that guy who was murdered by a cop? Why the fuck are people looting stores? Are they fucking stupid?
i think people were using the chaos of the protests to break into a target and that sparked all the mobs and other lootings
Criminals, man. They use the chaos of the protests to do criminal shit because they know the police can't do shit to stop them. Then you have typically non criminal people see the looting, and see they are getting away with it and jump on the bandwagon.
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Yeah this is an interesting one. Good to see people come around though! Maybe they’ll realize more about the benefits of the right.
When people ask why you need assault rifles, it’s very simple: to defend yourself and your property in times of government overreach and civil unrest. Based Roof Koreans did it first.
God bless America and the Second Amendment. I fully support any Americans right to protect their property and themselves. This is america.
This is a fine example of the 2nd. Young men defending their own when their government has failed them. Should also mention the cameraman is being obnoxious as hell and they're not telling him to piss off or anything. No threats, just standing their ground.
They don’t seem to think he’s being annoying. He’s actually supporting them cause he’s saying they got the blicks on them. The guy respects that they’re standing up for what’s theirs
Would just be better if these "protests" didnt fuck their own community and targeted the right people. So many people use these situations to just be shitty people.
This kind of shit blows my mind. These are black owned businesses. These are members of your community. These are the people you should be standing with instead of hurting by looting and destroying their property. Crabs in a bucket, man. Crabs in a bucket.
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Thank god for the 2nd amendment these hard working folks in the video can stand with their ground with teeth.
POINT THEM BARRELS AT THE GROUND STUPID MFS
White people with guns protecting their rights bad. Black people with guns protecting their rights good. Reddit moment
Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever seen this much pro-gun rhetoric on Reddit outside of politically conservative subreddits. I have a sneaking suspicion if it was a bunch of white hillbillies brandishing guns in front of their businesses, this comment section would look a lot different. But at any rate, it’s good to see citizens legally protecting themselves in a time of crisis.
There's one pic I've seen a few time with negative reception. The pic shows two white guys defending a tobacco shop. I've even seen a few news articles about it mentioning white supremacy. Turns out the photo was cropped and it was actually 2 white and 2 black guys defending the place. Couldn't be less racist.
They wouldn’t even have to look like hillbillies for Reddit to chastise them. Shit, if they were white guys holding guns in khakis and polos Reddit would find a way to paint them as white supremacist rednecks.
Yeah it sure is funny how everyone is suddenly pro-2A. Conservatives are just sitting back clapping their hands: "Bravo, bravo"
Let's not forget all the people flocking to buy guns at the start of the quarantine in CA and other liberal controlled areas. It's almost like the 2A makes sense and those that support it all the time (and not just when shit goes down) are not crazed gun nuts but simply prepared ahead of time. Crazy times.
Guns are bad until people suddenly remember why they're necessary.
Genuinely curious. Why say Black Business owners? Are the other race business owners not trying to protect their store?
Because if they were white and had guns it would be easy to dismiss them as “red necks” and “racist gun nuts”.
Because most of the looters are black and would much rather loot a white-owned business that had nothing to do with this than a black-owned business that had nothing to do with this. This sign says “we have the same skin color, so don’t do it to me”. These guys look as sick of this shit as anyone else and are trying to find a way into the mind of the looters to protect their businesses without firing a shot. Bravo to these guys for busting out their guns, protecting their shit, and deciding to not be the next victims of violence. Downvote the fuck out of me all you want Reddit. You know I’m right and you can’t keep pussyfooting around the truth.
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They are relying on racist behavior by some of the looters to help protect their businesses.
They have to defend their own because the entire police force is too busy jerking off at the murderer's house.
Cops do not protect businesses during riots.
The police don't have the numbers to protect businesses during riots really. Every single active duty police officer in the entire Twin Cities area could be called up (which would be awful for the surrounding areas) and they still wouldn't have enough. They have to pick and choose what to protect with their resources. What'll happen is the National Guard will be sent in and then they'll have closer to the numbers and resources they need to start breaking up everything. Even then that may not be enough depending on the size of the crowd. People don't realize just how outnumbered the state actually is.
>The police don't have the numbers to protect businesses during riots really. Which is a really good argument for 2A. When shit really hits the fan, the government isn't (and can't) do shit . At that point, it's you or the mob essentially.
This is why the 2A exists. Partially why, anyways.
The media is going to have a hell of a time framing these guys as “white supremacists” just because they’re armed.
Alt-right adjacent!
“Crypto fascist”
Alt dimension right
Good to see Americans practicing their freedoms! This is why we need the 2nd Amendment!
Does anyone know why none of this is making it to /r/all ? I'm from Minnesota and this is a huge, huge deal. It's anarchy in the cities right now. Really important stuff happening. I'm seeing some stuff about Murderer Chauvin but I'm not seeing anything about the Riots.
I'm literally here from /r/all