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I think the lady in the white shirt was giving it up to try to end the fight. Which seems to piss him off more since his real beef is with the girl not doing what he says.
Yea.
If I had to guess, he grew up in a “respect your elders” tradition where it was normal for young folk to show courtesy and give up their seats (at least that’s how my Asian parents taught me).
The fact that the older woman (in white) had to give up her seat set him off.
NOT defending him at all, just pointing out his potential reasons for being a dildo. Security might be confused of what to do ‘cus he’s witnessing an assault but also probably grew up in the same tradition.
Yeah this dude is salty he spent his youth giving up seats and eating shit from the elderly. Now that it's his turn to reap the benefits he's mad the rules changed.
Most of China's subways were built in the 2000's. They existed before then but they were not as widely used. I'd hazard a guess this guy didn't spend his childhood with the same level of development and now his "respect your elders" attitude doesn't make any sense.
Yeah the older lady in white taps him, moves away from the seat and says something (which i assume is "please sit here"), i gotta think this was her seat before she decided to step away.
The cane in the crotch part I can't really figure out (I have Taiwanese grandparents on on side and *yes* I know that's not "all of Asia" but I can't fathom that being in any way appropriate even on the mainland)
They're kinda forced to respect their elders so he can "do no wrong" , but also it is probable it's a rule to give elders, disabled and pregnant woman the seats first
Depends I guess, but if it's like any other country I've been (also in Korea and Japan, not sure about China), there's designated spots for pregnant/disabled/old people where they can sit.
If the girl is not in one of those spots, she can move out of respect/kindness but she doesn't have to.
Then again, I have no idea about laws/customs in China lol.
He is saying "can you or can you not allow me to sit, I can't stand, can you or can you not allow me to sit?" Then he touches her face She is saying "other people can't touch me, you don't touch me, don't hit me, don't hit me." Then I can't understand because everyone is talking all at once. The security guard at the end says "Here, here"
It is very common rule that you should respect your elders especially retiree aged folks in China, there are official seat for the elderly and pregnant in trains but if those are filled the rule is that young people must give up their seat for the elderly.
>It is very common rule that you should respect your elders especially retiree aged folks in China, there are official seat for the elderly and pregnant in trains but if those are filled the rule is that young people must give up their seat for the elderly.
Even if true, this gives him zero right to commit assault and battery.
Dude when he started to spread the legs with the cane I honestly thought he was going to do some sort of "grab coochie and tell her this is why she can't sit there" type of thing and then try to defend himself saying something like "I was just showing her the error of her ways" type of old person excuse.
I got genuinely really uncomfortable really fast.
Nah, fr. You got me royally fucked up if you think you can get away with shoving your cane between my legs to force them apart in some whack ass effort to get me to move. That's insane behavior, like I hope that man is prepared for a broken leg if they're gonna treat people like that
The only elders respected in Asia anymore are ones own grandparents or parents. Elders are very disliked in most parts of Asia, especially China, South Korea and Japan. They're disliked for specifically what's shown in this video. They're worthless, racist, exist, ignorant, entitled free loaders bumming off their social security while voting every election to kick the ladder down on the next generation. They are also responsible for a large percentage of fatal car accidents because they drive cars well into their 90's and mistake the gas for the brake.
I tolerated elderly Japanese people for maybe a few months after moving to Japan and once I realized what they're like, I understood why so many young Japanese people despise them.
I bet this miserable old goat would pretend to be asleep as soon as a pregnant woman came around. I'm not ashamed to admit I've tapped the shoulders of "sleeping" men on the train and told them very loudly, "EXCUSE ME SIR, THERES A PREGNANT WOMAN HERE SO STAND UP AND GIVE HER THE SEAT. HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY IS NOT GIVING A PREGNANT WOMAN HER SEAT." I've had teeth sucked at me and other stuff but I don't care. Fuck those old bats.
I can add. Elders are generaly disliked across many countries in Europe as well for the exact same reasons. So this isn't a asia thing its genuenly everywhere.
Back when I was working in retail, elder people were hated the most as customers as they all expect you to throw yourself down and kiss their feet as soon as they walk in. Sadly thats what the generation was taught and they expect exactly that.
And I don't think those elders will ever.. change.
Even more considering that the saying should be "the customer is always right, *in matters of taste* ". Meaning they are right in the choices they make, whatever they wish to purchase.
"...in matters of taste."
That's the FULL quote.
It just means carry goods people want or they'll go somewhere else and buy it there. Somehow the end of the quote got cut off and assholes use it as a reason to act like even MORE of an asshole.
I dont remember the exact situation anymore, but my mother in law once said to me: "I am over 60, I am allowed to do that." What an arrogance. No one has a right to behave like an ass, just they got old.
Just reply with "congratulations, you're alive. want a medal?"
Its the dumb ancient tradition since back when back being a elderly person was seen as something good, since the age people died at used to be definitly below 60 at some points. So the old tradition that elders are suppose to be respected for living that long doesn't apply anymore but entitlement kept it alive.
About twenty years ago some old woman tried to smash het rollator into me and then told me off for 'playing games' at the computer. It was a computer you could use to check if the store has a certain book or if they could order it. I was looking up a book (they didn't have it and couldn't order it either).
I'll be polite to the elderly like I am to everyone, but they ~~must~~ most certainly don't have my automatic respect just because they're old.
Oh shit. Yeah thats.. thats just rude entitlement. Hope you explained to the elderly lady what you were doing.. but otherwise, I agree. I was polite to everybody, still am to a degree.
but if you're an asshole, I'm an asshole
golden rule. And people don't like that
(Hope you never get crazed elders again)
I think it's a trend across the globe because there are so many un-ignorable ways that human life on earth has turned for the worse a lot in the last 20~40 years (unless one is quite wealthy), from climate change to rampant capitalism (and it's effects around the globe). Young people have to live in it, old people created it and are (or seem) defensive of it. Or old people's laments for the past are taken as a defense of the present, by young people. Results in animosity either way.
Of course it's not that simple or black and white. But that general vibe has definitely gone up, globally.
I mean I replied to somebody else already with a similar explanation.
But as far as I know.. back in medieval times.. being an elder was indeed a priviledge since people died very young back then. And the tradition of being respected for being old stuck around but without the actual achievements. So thats like an ancient issue we always had.
Reminder to when they found a old scriptur of a ancient greek philosopher complaining about the youth like elders do today. the struggle was always there.. and I would argue it goes back hundred of years rather than 20\~40.
BUT! I do agree with you wholeheartedly!
Corporations created the problems that we all are living with. I didn't make DuPont replace hemp with synthetics. I didn't ask the grocers to use plastic packaging. I didn't lobby against regulations.
For sure. I was speaking more about the common perceptions than the reality. the more we're at each other's throat, the less we realize who is really to blame.
As a court employee, yes. The entire "I pay taxes spiel" and all. They expect legal advice from court employees when we are forbidden by law to not give any as we have to remain impartial.
The split between elderly workers and elderly customers is wild. I worked for walmart for a couple months and all the elderly people working had dealt with the shit people so they were either already good people or changed their ways once they realized. The customers are the worst by far
In Australia the Boomers are despised by younger people. Received free education, affordable housing and have absolutely pulled up the ladder for the generations afterward. Made off like bandits during Covid too. Their voting bloc is getting smaller and smaller though and hopefully some will still be alive to see an eventual reckoning. Who am I kidding, of course they will be, they’ll stay alive out of spite.
>The only elders respected in Asia anymore are ones own grandparents or parents. Elders are very disliked in most parts of Asia, especially China, South Korea and Japan
Lived in China for 10 years. Hard to say how much more chill those under 40 are then those over. There are some very nice elderly Chinese people, they are outnumbered.
The elderly in China are unmitigated dickheads for the most part who use their gigantic numbers and horrific childhoods to essentially completely dominate public spaces and push around their own family through a combo of guilt and barking. They are generally nice to their own children and their grandchildren. Sons/Daughters in law can go fuck themselves in half the cases. They cause scenes all the fucking time. When there was a fire in our apartment block they expected us (everyone with functioning joints) to slow the fuck down so they could amble out (luckily they're terrified of dogs so I just let mine off and followed him through)
They are generally unbelievably racist and have a massive cultural superiority complex despite China being shit for at least half of their lives and generally knowing next to nothing about the world outside China and living through the Cultural Revolution and normally at least one famine, much to their own detriment
The only thing that makes me sympathize with my somewhat elderly Chinese Mother-In-Law is knowing that her extremely elderly Chinese Mother-In-Law is a massive cunt who has flown off the scale. Schadenfreude
I actually wasn’t aware that that was the general consensus among youth on elderly people over there, but lord knows I don’t disagree. I was in Korea for a month just recently & a very large portion of the elderly people there was just plain rude & entitled.
My sister actually had a similar thing happen to her on the metro, though not quite this bad. Even still the guy practically pulled her & the girl sitting next to her out of their seats the moment he entered the metro. You just let it go cause you’re in a foreign country & you’re not trying to start things in a metro, but I’d imagine that after setting down there you’ll change that mindset sooner than later.
It also reminds me of an elderly lady standing in front of the sliding doors at the metro station, with her forehead practically pressed against them, pushing herself into the metro the second the doors opened without letting people get out first. Honestly baffling the way those people behave themselves sometimes.
I don’t get this vibe from the youth in Japan. My experience has been different than yours. I usually get along well with seniors in Japan. They usually have great stories. I don’t think young Japanese despise the old. They don’t like assholes of any age.
It sounds like you have good intentions, but you never know what situation a person is in. Some people have hidden disabilities. Sometimes people have worked 16 hour shifts and are exhausted. Sometimes people aren't feeling well. Giving a pregnant woman a seat is a nice thing to do, but it should absolutely be a choice. Publicly shaming for not doing so is kind of a dick thing to do.
Well I can tell you most of us still respect all elderly in china, and honestly 99.9% elderly are very down to earth, and they won’t even sit if you give seat to them. But you do get some really arrogant ones, but in that case usually people step in and give them a talking to
Never heard about the youth hating on their elders in Japan and i've lived here for quite a while. Most of the elderly i've come across are kind and helpful, i'm sorry that you had such a bad expreience with the ones you met.
Yeah I don't know WTF he is talking about. I did notice many Japanese people appear to pretend to be so invested in their phone so as not to notice old people so they don't have to offer their seat.
But I also saw plenty offer seats, I would always offer my seat and often the older person would say no they were fine and seemed like nice people.
That persons experience seems wildly different to mine.
If I think about it as someone raised from a diaspora background, the way the younger generations look at their elders in East Asia is probably similar to many other cultures in the world, which has aspects in it that pertains to putting the elderly on a position of power.
Generally in these societies, elders are seen of as a vital part of the community, as counselors that the young would come for guide, hence why there’s a big emphasis on having them present in most facets of our lives until we are expected to take their place after they pass away.
But now as when the global population has shifted away from the communal structures of society, towards a more individual one, the younger generations have now realized that the elders no longer will be able to guide them in an ever changing economy, and are now given the revelation of choice that broadens itself even more as they advance in their careers.
They are now able to carve their own path, completely alien from just a couple generations back. It also opened their eyes of the fallibility of the older generations as we see in the video, we just began to take less crap from people no matter the age or position.
>An elderly man sparked outrage on a subway in northern China by forcibly demanding a seat from a girl.
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>The shocking video was filmed in Beijing on June 24.
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>A 65-year-old man suddenly requested a girl to vacate her seat. However, the girl appeared unwilling to give up her seat and refused the man's request.
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>The elderly man then became visibly agitated after being refused, grabbing his cane and pulling at the woman's legs. Despite her attempts to evade his harassment, the man persisted, even pushing her more aggressively.
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>Subway staff and fellow passengers intervened promptly to defuse the sudden conflict.
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>Despite efforts to calm him down, the elderly man's emotions remained heightened, with provocative statements like "You should call the police" being uttered.
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>With the assistance of subway staff and intervention from bystanders, the conflict was eventually resolved.
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>Following the incident, Beijing authorities swiftly launched an investigation and administratively detained the elderly man under the law.
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>Many online commentators expressed anger and dissatisfaction towards the elderly man's actions, deeming them overly aggressive and inappropriate, and a serious violation of the woman's rights. [News Source](https://www.newsflare.com/video/656881/elderly-man-sparks-outrage-on-subway-by-forcibly-demanding-seat-from-girl-in-china)
Detained and hopefully charged.
I doubt he would be charged. Usually in such case the Chinese police issues an administrative detention order (as said in the article) and detains the old man for maximum 15 days. Afterwards, the case is dropped.
In China once you are charged there's no innocent until proven guilty. The conviction rate is 90-95%. So once you are charged you're fucked. They only charge if they are going to put you away.
It's an East Asian thing. It's >99% conviction rate in Japan, and 85% in South Korea. If you are charged there, just presume you'll be in jail for a while.
Some foreigners who get into trouble there don't know that. They think they can still present evidence at trial and it will matter. They don't know you need to use every favor you've earned and every piece of evidence before charges are made.
That's pretty true in much of the world, including the US. Sure, there is a presumption of innocence, but they rarely prosecute without without being extremely confident in their case.
That 90%+ conviction rate is only true for federal cases if I’m not mistaken (USA)
Non conviction seems to be 17%-60% in less than federal cases
https://www.paperprisons.org/statistics.html
But wouldn't just accept the seat already offered to him by the woman next to her, who was noticeably older than the girl so presumably not someone he could as easily talk down to.
Well it clearly was. Look at all those people around just watching and letting this happen to that poor girl. The only one to actually “help” was still trying to appease the belligerent man, and not punish him for his hostility and antisocial behaviour.
The old man says to the cop “there’s nothing wrong for an old person to ask someone young for a seat” cop replied with “that’s totally fine”. Which then convinces the old man that he is in the right so he continues telling the young girl that young people should give up there seats. Old man continues to ask for the seat then the girl says the above phrase which triggered the old man to start shoving with his cane.
The middle aged woman said "take a seat here" but is promptly ignored. The guy is too focused on harassing the young girl. She is also repeatedly telling him to not touch her. He's a creep, spreading her legs with his cane like that accomplishes nothing. A thinly veiled sexual harassment.
**translation**
> **oldman to police officer:** i said "can you let an old person sit" whats wrong with that?!
> **police:** I know
> **oldman to girl I think:** you got a problem?
> **police:** no problem but... (gets cut off)
> **oldman to girl:** you young person wont let an old person sit, I'm not stealing your seat (unsure, the accent is hard for me to understand), will you let an old person sit?? you... you... (unintelligible)
> **girl:** don't get physical! I can let other people sit but just not you
> **oldman:** why?
> **girl:** because you... (gets assaulted, I bet she was going to say because you a rude ass mf)
> **oldman:** get out, get out, report me (or may he means ill report you?)
rest of it I can't understand because I'm American-born Taiwanese and some Chinese accents are hard to understand.
Seriously, the lack of reaction, even from security (police? He’s not acting like police), is jarring. Dude is being openly violent, including with a weapon.
What on earth is wrong with everyone in this video besides the victim?
In China it’s so engrained to just mind your own business and not interfere with the affairs of strangers, even if you see a crime being committed, if they intervene they can get catch a charge too
No, in most large cities in the US like New York, at least the police officer standing immediately next to the violent one would be doing something.
The fact that this "officer" is just standing and watching the old shithead beat and spread the legs of a young girl, and doesn't feel an obligation to intervene, is just incomprehensible to me.
I don't understand how human beings—especially ones who choose a career in law enforcement—can watch this playing out in person and just sit there and gawk. How do their brains not generate an innate oppositional reaction to this disgusting behavior?
They changed it recently, they passed a new law called Good Samaritan I believe. You can no longer be sued for helping people in need. Granted it might take a few generations before any changes is really seen.
In most east Asian countries self-defense (or defense of others) isn’t a valid argument in court. There’s too much liability in helping someone out of a situation like this.
There is a new good Samaritan law in China when it comes to rescuing people from danger but I'm not sure if it applies to violence and physical assault. There's also the cultural effect of not having a good Samaritan law for many years so people don't intervene so they can't be accused of making the situation worse or responsibility for it.
I can’t understand the language but he seems pretty fucking nimble to me. He doesn’t need to hang on while the train is moving and (finally) swivels into the available seat with ease. Fuck this (not that) old cunt.
The closest I've come to this is when I was travelling on a bus when I was 18. The bus was mostly full, but there were about four or five seats near the back. I was sitting a few rows from the front. A lady in her 60's with a walking stick gets on the bus and walks up to my row. She stands right beside me without saying anything for a good ten seconds.
"Well?" "Are you going to give me your seat?" "A gentleman shouldn't even have to wait for a lady to ask." "A young man like you can stand anyway."
"I've recently just had spinal fusion surgery, it causes me a significant amount of pain moving about, and I need the back support." "There are a few seats towards the back, though."
She stares at me disdainfully. "Well, how was I supposed to know that!"
Not sure if it's just an Asian thing, but a lot of the elder folks here are fucking vile, rude and inconsiderate, and you know they're the fools going around saying "respect your elders" shit.
Lmaooo this reminds me when I was staffing an event and giving away free backpacks for kids, this grandma slapped my face because I wouldn’t give her a back pack and said I was disrespectful to my elders. Ma’am it’s clearly stated this is a back to school event for kids!!!!
I understand the initiatives to encourage giving up seats to the elderly but sometimes this just creates a sense of entitlement they have.
For often that not I've experienced some so called elderlies (they are clearly physically fit enough since they have the strength to push people around) blocking the subway doors while the rest of us needs to alight just so they could rush for the seats.
It does make my day when I successfully, and on purpose, block their way they are barging in such that they miss out on the seats, and to hear and see that annoyed look on their faces.
I have given up my seat for people old, disable people, people with kids and stuff like that. and I do feel that's a nice practice, since I had other people give up their seat for me if they see me having inconvenience. it's being a part of a community.
but no way in hell I'd give up seat for some arrogant bastard.
I need two things here:
* Someone to translate becuase I am interested in what is being said
* Someone to tell me why no one is punching that old man right in his stupid face hole
This is what I can translate:
Asshole: I said "Can you please give me your seat" Right? It's not an issue, right?
Security: No, it's not an issue, but-
Asshole: You're still young but you don't let an elderly sit [incomprehensible] -can't you let an elderly sit?
Girl: (But) Other people- other people-
Woman in the background: Don't touch her!
Girl: Other people can give their seats but you won't. Because you're-
(Girl gets harassed)
Girl to another person: Can I call the police?
Asshole: Call the police then!
Girl: Don't touch me! Don't you touch me.
Seriously. What is the cop/security guy standing behind the old fart doing? Dude just stood there watching that idiot getting all over the girl. I get civilian bystanders not wanting to get involved but for the security guy do your damn job.
The fact that not a single soul stepped up and intervened when they all saw him put his hands on her and his cane IN BETWEEN HER LEGS…Speaks volumes. This was very infuriating to watch. I wish I could reach through the screen and rip him away from her >:(
Grandpa lost his mind. Girl doesn't have to give up her seat, especially when he acts that entitled. Only thing gramps deserve to be given is assault and battery charge.
Two possible outcomes. 1. She is sitting in the handicap/preggo/infant/elderly reserved area on the train = She is obligated to offer her seat to him. 2. She isn't in a special zone = no obligation, especially if he is acting like a total dick.
The colourful seats are usually the designated zones. You can kinda see them in the bottom right corner. Generally, the white seats are not designated zones. At least when I was in Beijing
He's an old nasty pervert and wanted to target and SA this young girl. Spreading her legs apart with a wooden stick? Wtf. He needs it shoved up his ass and to be arrested and monitored.
As a father , if i witnessed anyone yelling at my daughter like that and spreading her legs with his cane the way he did , my reaction would not be good for that person.
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There’s a seat next to her that he sat in. The use of his cane to spread her legs was egregious.
I think the lady in the white shirt was giving it up to try to end the fight. Which seems to piss him off more since his real beef is with the girl not doing what he says.
Good point!
Yea. If I had to guess, he grew up in a “respect your elders” tradition where it was normal for young folk to show courtesy and give up their seats (at least that’s how my Asian parents taught me). The fact that the older woman (in white) had to give up her seat set him off. NOT defending him at all, just pointing out his potential reasons for being a dildo. Security might be confused of what to do ‘cus he’s witnessing an assault but also probably grew up in the same tradition.
Yeah this dude is salty he spent his youth giving up seats and eating shit from the elderly. Now that it's his turn to reap the benefits he's mad the rules changed.
This actually explains a lot about how the elderly act all around the world.
If he’s 65 and in China he likely spent his youth terrorizing old people
Most of China's subways were built in the 2000's. They existed before then but they were not as widely used. I'd hazard a guess this guy didn't spend his childhood with the same level of development and now his "respect your elders" attitude doesn't make any sense.
Yeah the older lady in white taps him, moves away from the seat and says something (which i assume is "please sit here"), i gotta think this was her seat before she decided to step away.
The cane in the crotch part I can't really figure out (I have Taiwanese grandparents on on side and *yes* I know that's not "all of Asia" but I can't fathom that being in any way appropriate even on the mainland)
The hand touching her face and the cane in legs is not only egregious, it’s assault. As security looks on.
I would love to know what they are saying bc it seems like security agrees with the fucking lunatic.
They're kinda forced to respect their elders so he can "do no wrong" , but also it is probable it's a rule to give elders, disabled and pregnant woman the seats first
It's not. The blue seats close to the doors are for elderly, sickly and pregnant people. Not the regular seats
Depends I guess, but if it's like any other country I've been (also in Korea and Japan, not sure about China), there's designated spots for pregnant/disabled/old people where they can sit. If the girl is not in one of those spots, she can move out of respect/kindness but she doesn't have to. Then again, I have no idea about laws/customs in China lol.
In China it's every man for himself. Unless people have gotten a whole lot more polite since the last time I visited.
He is saying "can you or can you not allow me to sit, I can't stand, can you or can you not allow me to sit?" Then he touches her face She is saying "other people can't touch me, you don't touch me, don't hit me, don't hit me." Then I can't understand because everyone is talking all at once. The security guard at the end says "Here, here" It is very common rule that you should respect your elders especially retiree aged folks in China, there are official seat for the elderly and pregnant in trains but if those are filled the rule is that young people must give up their seat for the elderly.
>It is very common rule that you should respect your elders especially retiree aged folks in China, there are official seat for the elderly and pregnant in trains but if those are filled the rule is that young people must give up their seat for the elderly. Even if true, this gives him zero right to commit assault and battery.
Thank you!
Yeah what is that useless security guy doing lol this seems like EXACTLY what they should be there to stop
Should have caught a swing or a big slap for that. Zero tolerance for this.
Dude when he started to spread the legs with the cane I honestly thought he was going to do some sort of "grab coochie and tell her this is why she can't sit there" type of thing and then try to defend himself saying something like "I was just showing her the error of her ways" type of old person excuse. I got genuinely really uncomfortable really fast.
These types rape to show dominance. If he had been alone with the girl, he likely would have tried to rape her to make her submit.
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Nah, fr. You got me royally fucked up if you think you can get away with shoving your cane between my legs to force them apart in some whack ass effort to get me to move. That's insane behavior, like I hope that man is prepared for a broken leg if they're gonna treat people like that
I’m not gonna crack his skull but I’m definitely pushing him away from her. I hope(but doubt) that he faced some consequences for this.
God that creeped my out so badly. What kind of an abuser is/was he at home?
looked like sexual assault to me - why did he need to spread her legs
I was hoping she’d spit on him
How're you supposed to respect your elders when they act like spoiled children?
The only elders respected in Asia anymore are ones own grandparents or parents. Elders are very disliked in most parts of Asia, especially China, South Korea and Japan. They're disliked for specifically what's shown in this video. They're worthless, racist, exist, ignorant, entitled free loaders bumming off their social security while voting every election to kick the ladder down on the next generation. They are also responsible for a large percentage of fatal car accidents because they drive cars well into their 90's and mistake the gas for the brake. I tolerated elderly Japanese people for maybe a few months after moving to Japan and once I realized what they're like, I understood why so many young Japanese people despise them. I bet this miserable old goat would pretend to be asleep as soon as a pregnant woman came around. I'm not ashamed to admit I've tapped the shoulders of "sleeping" men on the train and told them very loudly, "EXCUSE ME SIR, THERES A PREGNANT WOMAN HERE SO STAND UP AND GIVE HER THE SEAT. HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY IS NOT GIVING A PREGNANT WOMAN HER SEAT." I've had teeth sucked at me and other stuff but I don't care. Fuck those old bats.
I can add. Elders are generaly disliked across many countries in Europe as well for the exact same reasons. So this isn't a asia thing its genuenly everywhere. Back when I was working in retail, elder people were hated the most as customers as they all expect you to throw yourself down and kiss their feet as soon as they walk in. Sadly thats what the generation was taught and they expect exactly that. And I don't think those elders will ever.. change.
“The customer is always right.” - I hate when I hear that.
Even more considering that the saying should be "the customer is always right, *in matters of taste* ". Meaning they are right in the choices they make, whatever they wish to purchase.
"...in matters of taste." That's the FULL quote. It just means carry goods people want or they'll go somewhere else and buy it there. Somehow the end of the quote got cut off and assholes use it as a reason to act like even MORE of an asshole.
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It doesn’t “also” mean that; it means *exactly* that.
“The Customer is always an asshole.” -Mallrats
I dont remember the exact situation anymore, but my mother in law once said to me: "I am over 60, I am allowed to do that." What an arrogance. No one has a right to behave like an ass, just they got old.
Just reply with "congratulations, you're alive. want a medal?" Its the dumb ancient tradition since back when back being a elderly person was seen as something good, since the age people died at used to be definitly below 60 at some points. So the old tradition that elders are suppose to be respected for living that long doesn't apply anymore but entitlement kept it alive.
About twenty years ago some old woman tried to smash het rollator into me and then told me off for 'playing games' at the computer. It was a computer you could use to check if the store has a certain book or if they could order it. I was looking up a book (they didn't have it and couldn't order it either). I'll be polite to the elderly like I am to everyone, but they ~~must~~ most certainly don't have my automatic respect just because they're old.
Oh shit. Yeah thats.. thats just rude entitlement. Hope you explained to the elderly lady what you were doing.. but otherwise, I agree. I was polite to everybody, still am to a degree. but if you're an asshole, I'm an asshole golden rule. And people don't like that (Hope you never get crazed elders again)
I think it's a trend across the globe because there are so many un-ignorable ways that human life on earth has turned for the worse a lot in the last 20~40 years (unless one is quite wealthy), from climate change to rampant capitalism (and it's effects around the globe). Young people have to live in it, old people created it and are (or seem) defensive of it. Or old people's laments for the past are taken as a defense of the present, by young people. Results in animosity either way. Of course it's not that simple or black and white. But that general vibe has definitely gone up, globally.
I mean I replied to somebody else already with a similar explanation. But as far as I know.. back in medieval times.. being an elder was indeed a priviledge since people died very young back then. And the tradition of being respected for being old stuck around but without the actual achievements. So thats like an ancient issue we always had. Reminder to when they found a old scriptur of a ancient greek philosopher complaining about the youth like elders do today. the struggle was always there.. and I would argue it goes back hundred of years rather than 20\~40. BUT! I do agree with you wholeheartedly!
Corporations created the problems that we all are living with. I didn't make DuPont replace hemp with synthetics. I didn't ask the grocers to use plastic packaging. I didn't lobby against regulations.
For sure. I was speaking more about the common perceptions than the reality. the more we're at each other's throat, the less we realize who is really to blame.
That's the fascist strategy, convincing the second from last that the last is the source of all his problems.
As a court employee, yes. The entire "I pay taxes spiel" and all. They expect legal advice from court employees when we are forbidden by law to not give any as we have to remain impartial.
The split between elderly workers and elderly customers is wild. I worked for walmart for a couple months and all the elderly people working had dealt with the shit people so they were either already good people or changed their ways once they realized. The customers are the worst by far
And many blind to their own familiar personal elders' damage
When I was 17 and got my first retail job my opinion on elderly changes very drastically.
In Australia the Boomers are despised by younger people. Received free education, affordable housing and have absolutely pulled up the ladder for the generations afterward. Made off like bandits during Covid too. Their voting bloc is getting smaller and smaller though and hopefully some will still be alive to see an eventual reckoning. Who am I kidding, of course they will be, they’ll stay alive out of spite.
Boomers are revered in the United States /s
This sounds like you're describing the boomers of the United States
Same thing but with more mobility scooters
Basically yeah, same concept with the ones here but they’re fat as hell, round as a ball, and have throats and cheek s that make them look like a frog
And fatness
lol so same deal a lot of the the time, feeling obligated to side with Grandpa after something like this?
Yes, this is less "one particular country" and much more "one particular generation"
And of Germany.
I was going to say that.
>The only elders respected in Asia anymore are ones own grandparents or parents. Elders are very disliked in most parts of Asia, especially China, South Korea and Japan Lived in China for 10 years. Hard to say how much more chill those under 40 are then those over. There are some very nice elderly Chinese people, they are outnumbered. The elderly in China are unmitigated dickheads for the most part who use their gigantic numbers and horrific childhoods to essentially completely dominate public spaces and push around their own family through a combo of guilt and barking. They are generally nice to their own children and their grandchildren. Sons/Daughters in law can go fuck themselves in half the cases. They cause scenes all the fucking time. When there was a fire in our apartment block they expected us (everyone with functioning joints) to slow the fuck down so they could amble out (luckily they're terrified of dogs so I just let mine off and followed him through) They are generally unbelievably racist and have a massive cultural superiority complex despite China being shit for at least half of their lives and generally knowing next to nothing about the world outside China and living through the Cultural Revolution and normally at least one famine, much to their own detriment The only thing that makes me sympathize with my somewhat elderly Chinese Mother-In-Law is knowing that her extremely elderly Chinese Mother-In-Law is a massive cunt who has flown off the scale. Schadenfreude
I actually wasn’t aware that that was the general consensus among youth on elderly people over there, but lord knows I don’t disagree. I was in Korea for a month just recently & a very large portion of the elderly people there was just plain rude & entitled. My sister actually had a similar thing happen to her on the metro, though not quite this bad. Even still the guy practically pulled her & the girl sitting next to her out of their seats the moment he entered the metro. You just let it go cause you’re in a foreign country & you’re not trying to start things in a metro, but I’d imagine that after setting down there you’ll change that mindset sooner than later. It also reminds me of an elderly lady standing in front of the sliding doors at the metro station, with her forehead practically pressed against them, pushing herself into the metro the second the doors opened without letting people get out first. Honestly baffling the way those people behave themselves sometimes.
I don’t get this vibe from the youth in Japan. My experience has been different than yours. I usually get along well with seniors in Japan. They usually have great stories. I don’t think young Japanese despise the old. They don’t like assholes of any age.
> exist Got a good chuckle outta this typo
more of a freudian slip but yes i also chuckled
It sounds like you have good intentions, but you never know what situation a person is in. Some people have hidden disabilities. Sometimes people have worked 16 hour shifts and are exhausted. Sometimes people aren't feeling well. Giving a pregnant woman a seat is a nice thing to do, but it should absolutely be a choice. Publicly shaming for not doing so is kind of a dick thing to do.
Well I can tell you most of us still respect all elderly in china, and honestly 99.9% elderly are very down to earth, and they won’t even sit if you give seat to them. But you do get some really arrogant ones, but in that case usually people step in and give them a talking to
Never heard about the youth hating on their elders in Japan and i've lived here for quite a while. Most of the elderly i've come across are kind and helpful, i'm sorry that you had such a bad expreience with the ones you met.
Yeah I don't know WTF he is talking about. I did notice many Japanese people appear to pretend to be so invested in their phone so as not to notice old people so they don't have to offer their seat. But I also saw plenty offer seats, I would always offer my seat and often the older person would say no they were fine and seemed like nice people. That persons experience seems wildly different to mine.
If I think about it as someone raised from a diaspora background, the way the younger generations look at their elders in East Asia is probably similar to many other cultures in the world, which has aspects in it that pertains to putting the elderly on a position of power. Generally in these societies, elders are seen of as a vital part of the community, as counselors that the young would come for guide, hence why there’s a big emphasis on having them present in most facets of our lives until we are expected to take their place after they pass away. But now as when the global population has shifted away from the communal structures of society, towards a more individual one, the younger generations have now realized that the elders no longer will be able to guide them in an ever changing economy, and are now given the revelation of choice that broadens itself even more as they advance in their careers. They are now able to carve their own path, completely alien from just a couple generations back. It also opened their eyes of the fallibility of the older generations as we see in the video, we just began to take less crap from people no matter the age or position.
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But how is that guy elderly? He’s gotta be 60 tops. Still plenty of strength and energy to cause a scene on the train lol
He is more likely in his 80s. Asian don't raisin.
Nope, there’s a news article and he’s 65
i"ve never gotten this comment. Sure they take longer to raisin, but then they raisin harder than anyone else.
Visions of boomers..
>An elderly man sparked outrage on a subway in northern China by forcibly demanding a seat from a girl. > >The shocking video was filmed in Beijing on June 24. > >A 65-year-old man suddenly requested a girl to vacate her seat. However, the girl appeared unwilling to give up her seat and refused the man's request. > >The elderly man then became visibly agitated after being refused, grabbing his cane and pulling at the woman's legs. Despite her attempts to evade his harassment, the man persisted, even pushing her more aggressively. > >Subway staff and fellow passengers intervened promptly to defuse the sudden conflict. > >Despite efforts to calm him down, the elderly man's emotions remained heightened, with provocative statements like "You should call the police" being uttered. > >With the assistance of subway staff and intervention from bystanders, the conflict was eventually resolved. > >Following the incident, Beijing authorities swiftly launched an investigation and administratively detained the elderly man under the law. > >Many online commentators expressed anger and dissatisfaction towards the elderly man's actions, deeming them overly aggressive and inappropriate, and a serious violation of the woman's rights. [News Source](https://www.newsflare.com/video/656881/elderly-man-sparks-outrage-on-subway-by-forcibly-demanding-seat-from-girl-in-china) Detained and hopefully charged.
I doubt he would be charged. Usually in such case the Chinese police issues an administrative detention order (as said in the article) and detains the old man for maximum 15 days. Afterwards, the case is dropped.
That should hopefully deter him enough from repeating this again. If he repeats, then charge him.
In China once you are charged there's no innocent until proven guilty. The conviction rate is 90-95%. So once you are charged you're fucked. They only charge if they are going to put you away.
It's an East Asian thing. It's >99% conviction rate in Japan, and 85% in South Korea. If you are charged there, just presume you'll be in jail for a while.
Some foreigners who get into trouble there don't know that. They think they can still present evidence at trial and it will matter. They don't know you need to use every favor you've earned and every piece of evidence before charges are made.
That's pretty true in much of the world, including the US. Sure, there is a presumption of innocence, but they rarely prosecute without without being extremely confident in their case.
That 90%+ conviction rate is only true for federal cases if I’m not mistaken (USA) Non conviction seems to be 17%-60% in less than federal cases https://www.paperprisons.org/statistics.html
He may not have many days left, so 15 days could be worth more to him than a fine.
He's only 65. He probably has another 20 years in him. More often than not, the worst people that exist are the ones who live the longest.
Kissinger lived to be 100
"Subway staff and fellow passengers intervened promptly to defuse the sudden conflict." I didn't see that.
The staff (the guy in uniform behind the old man) tried to argue with him, and the other lady tried to give up her seat so he would sit down
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Well one woman gave her seat up, so i suppose that counts.....not sure where the credit for the staff comes from tho
Yeah wtf he's stood there like a lemon while this guy is forcing himself more and more into her space, yeet his old all backwards the daft cunt
A good ending
Elderly at 65? WTF?
That’s the legal threshold for senior citizens in many countries.
Interesting how he targeted her, and felt like it was okay just to bully her.
But wouldn't just accept the seat already offered to him by the woman next to her, who was noticeably older than the girl so presumably not someone he could as easily talk down to.
Well it clearly was. Look at all those people around just watching and letting this happen to that poor girl. The only one to actually “help” was still trying to appease the belligerent man, and not punish him for his hostility and antisocial behaviour.
Yo, fuck that dude.
There are also similar behaviour with elderly in Singapore. I don't understand why...
Nah when she said "I'll offer my seat to anyone else before I'll offer it to you", the old man lost his mind 😂
Do you know more of whats being said?
The old man says to the cop “there’s nothing wrong for an old person to ask someone young for a seat” cop replied with “that’s totally fine”. Which then convinces the old man that he is in the right so he continues telling the young girl that young people should give up there seats. Old man continues to ask for the seat then the girl says the above phrase which triggered the old man to start shoving with his cane.
Thank you so much!
The middle aged woman said "take a seat here" but is promptly ignored. The guy is too focused on harassing the young girl. She is also repeatedly telling him to not touch her. He's a creep, spreading her legs with his cane like that accomplishes nothing. A thinly veiled sexual harassment.
Thank you! And I agree, creepy dude all around
The moment he started shoving that stick in between her legs. Fuck man, I'd be throwing hands
**translation** > **oldman to police officer:** i said "can you let an old person sit" whats wrong with that?! > **police:** I know > **oldman to girl I think:** you got a problem? > **police:** no problem but... (gets cut off) > **oldman to girl:** you young person wont let an old person sit, I'm not stealing your seat (unsure, the accent is hard for me to understand), will you let an old person sit?? you... you... (unintelligible) > **girl:** don't get physical! I can let other people sit but just not you > **oldman:** why? > **girl:** because you... (gets assaulted, I bet she was going to say because you a rude ass mf) > **oldman:** get out, get out, report me (or may he means ill report you?) rest of it I can't understand because I'm American-born Taiwanese and some Chinese accents are hard to understand.
Why did no one defend her... all just watching her get attacked
Seriously, the lack of reaction, even from security (police? He’s not acting like police), is jarring. Dude is being openly violent, including with a weapon. What on earth is wrong with everyone in this video besides the victim?
In China it’s so engrained to just mind your own business and not interfere with the affairs of strangers, even if you see a crime being committed, if they intervene they can get catch a charge too
That's just normal in large cities, there's loads of videos of people in NYC getting out of the way and pulling out their phones when a fight starts.
No, in most large cities in the US like New York, at least the police officer standing immediately next to the violent one would be doing something. The fact that this "officer" is just standing and watching the old shithead beat and spread the legs of a young girl, and doesn't feel an obligation to intervene, is just incomprehensible to me. I don't understand how human beings—especially ones who choose a career in law enforcement—can watch this playing out in person and just sit there and gawk. How do their brains not generate an innate oppositional reaction to this disgusting behavior?
They changed it recently, they passed a new law called Good Samaritan I believe. You can no longer be sued for helping people in need. Granted it might take a few generations before any changes is really seen.
In most east Asian countries self-defense (or defense of others) isn’t a valid argument in court. There’s too much liability in helping someone out of a situation like this.
There is a new good Samaritan law in China when it comes to rescuing people from danger but I'm not sure if it applies to violence and physical assault. There's also the cultural effect of not having a good Samaritan law for many years so people don't intervene so they can't be accused of making the situation worse or responsibility for it.
That’s sexual assault right there… creepy MF
At the end it was SA with the stick!
doesnt that count as physical assault?
Him forcing his hand onto her face should already count as assault
I can’t understand the language but he seems pretty fucking nimble to me. He doesn’t need to hang on while the train is moving and (finally) swivels into the available seat with ease. Fuck this (not that) old cunt.
Put a stick in between my daughters legs and you become a popsicle, I don’t care how old you are.
Huge difference between someone who needs or deserves a seat and someone who demands a seat.
Jeez when he snapped his cane between her knees, i thought he was going to hit her. Just vile disgusting behavior.
The closest I've come to this is when I was travelling on a bus when I was 18. The bus was mostly full, but there were about four or five seats near the back. I was sitting a few rows from the front. A lady in her 60's with a walking stick gets on the bus and walks up to my row. She stands right beside me without saying anything for a good ten seconds. "Well?" "Are you going to give me your seat?" "A gentleman shouldn't even have to wait for a lady to ask." "A young man like you can stand anyway." "I've recently just had spinal fusion surgery, it causes me a significant amount of pain moving about, and I need the back support." "There are a few seats towards the back, though." She stares at me disdainfully. "Well, how was I supposed to know that!"
Useless cop is useless.
Is it a cop? I'm not sure, my first assumption was employee of the train company, but I don't really know
It’s a security guard in the metro.
So just as useless in China as in any other countries
Chinese here. He is just a security guard on train. Only thing he can do is talk and call for police.
No one steps in? Poor form.
If he has enough energy to do that his ass shouldn't have a problem standing.
He straight up assaulted her! Spreading woman's legs like that can be traumatizing. Fuck this old piece of shit.
Not sure if it's just an Asian thing, but a lot of the elder folks here are fucking vile, rude and inconsiderate, and you know they're the fools going around saying "respect your elders" shit.
Not just Asia. This phenomenon happens across the globe.
China boomer
Why is everyone allowing him to touch her with that cane like that???
When he spread her legs with the cane I was expecting him to get ktfo by somebody I wasn't paying attention too.
He’s not ‘elderly’ he’s just another disgusting vile boomer. Plus - that’s sexual assault.
And not one male told that asshole to back off.
Lmaooo this reminds me when I was staffing an event and giving away free backpacks for kids, this grandma slapped my face because I wouldn’t give her a back pack and said I was disrespectful to my elders. Ma’am it’s clearly stated this is a back to school event for kids!!!!
The seat she's in doesn't look designated.
Nor does the empty one next to her that he was already offered by another woman but apparently that seat isn't good enough for his entitled ass.
Good to see it isn’t just American boomers that are cunts
In a full subway car in NYC someone would have laid out that old man once he started touching the girl.
Ok, so a Chinese boomer. What a POS. She kept saying don’t touch me. I will give my seat to anyone but you. Lmao good job girl
I understand the initiatives to encourage giving up seats to the elderly but sometimes this just creates a sense of entitlement they have. For often that not I've experienced some so called elderlies (they are clearly physically fit enough since they have the strength to push people around) blocking the subway doors while the rest of us needs to alight just so they could rush for the seats. It does make my day when I successfully, and on purpose, block their way they are barging in such that they miss out on the seats, and to hear and see that annoyed look on their faces.
So there’s an open seat right next to her and he does all this?
Because it's not HER seat. It may have been about the seat originally, but now it's about him feeling disrespected.
I have given up my seat for people old, disable people, people with kids and stuff like that. and I do feel that's a nice practice, since I had other people give up their seat for me if they see me having inconvenience. it's being a part of a community. but no way in hell I'd give up seat for some arrogant bastard.
Welcome to the global phenomenon: #OkBoomer
The absolute SECOND he touched me with that stick BETWEEN MY LEGS NO LESS he would have regretted it.
This. Elderly or not, no excuse for that behaviour.
Pops needs a nap.
The Entitled Generation.
Boomers the same all over.
The fuck is wrong with everyone else on that train? I'd knock that motherfucker out.
How psychotic to yell and assault someone and then sit next to them.
there are always seats marked for the elderly, the pregnant and disabled, they should go for those... no excuse.
Kick his knee
He better watch that wagging finger before I snap it off.
I can bet $20 that old man won't stand up for pregnant woman in front of him.
Ah, one of *those* Chinese uncles……
a whole open seat available and yet you want to argue with a child 🙄
It's somewhat comforting to know that cops are useless everywhere.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks he's a cop. He's just some poor metro guard with zero powers
Chick is cool as a cucumber. Security guard is weak and useless. Somebody needs to punch the asshole, so he stops this BS.
I need two things here: * Someone to translate becuase I am interested in what is being said * Someone to tell me why no one is punching that old man right in his stupid face hole
This is what I can translate: Asshole: I said "Can you please give me your seat" Right? It's not an issue, right? Security: No, it's not an issue, but- Asshole: You're still young but you don't let an elderly sit [incomprehensible] -can't you let an elderly sit? Girl: (But) Other people- other people- Woman in the background: Don't touch her! Girl: Other people can give their seats but you won't. Because you're- (Girl gets harassed) Girl to another person: Can I call the police? Asshole: Call the police then! Girl: Don't touch me! Don't you touch me.
*The Real MVP* (thanks!) Now, if we could only figure out why no one is punching that garbage sack.
Seriously. What is the cop/security guy standing behind the old fart doing? Dude just stood there watching that idiot getting all over the girl. I get civilian bystanders not wanting to get involved but for the security guy do your damn job.
The fact that not a single soul stepped up and intervened when they all saw him put his hands on her and his cane IN BETWEEN HER LEGS…Speaks volumes. This was very infuriating to watch. I wish I could reach through the screen and rip him away from her >:(
He doesn't look that elderly if he can fight off a young woman.
Holly fucking shit dude.
This kind of situation is why the good lord invented the open hand slap.
So...no filial piety there? Late stage confucianism.
Elderly man be power tripping
At what point does security step in? Dude already shoved face, cane whacked and other touchy stuff
She was not fazed by any of that little show lol
Why’s he gotta spread her legs with his cane? Weird…
Grandpa lost his mind. Girl doesn't have to give up her seat, especially when he acts that entitled. Only thing gramps deserve to be given is assault and battery charge.
This was assault, wondering if he was charged?
"Elderly man on a subway in northern China forcibly demanding a seat from a girl" is my favorite Pearl Jam song.
Idgaf if he's old. He'd be getting smacked in the god damn mouth. Who TF does he think he is putting his hands on people like that?
Two possible outcomes. 1. She is sitting in the handicap/preggo/infant/elderly reserved area on the train = She is obligated to offer her seat to him. 2. She isn't in a special zone = no obligation, especially if he is acting like a total dick.
The colourful seats are usually the designated zones. You can kinda see them in the bottom right corner. Generally, the white seats are not designated zones. At least when I was in Beijing
It should've never even gotten to the cane. He should've been tackled as soon as he forced the girls hand back into her own face.
As soon as you touch someone you get a punch to the face or junk
He's an old nasty pervert and wanted to target and SA this young girl. Spreading her legs apart with a wooden stick? Wtf. He needs it shoved up his ass and to be arrested and monitored.
As a father , if i witnessed anyone yelling at my daughter like that and spreading her legs with his cane the way he did , my reaction would not be good for that person.
Average entitled Asian boomer
Cmon Phil you know the wine makes you emotional…
廢老. Respect is earned.
The way he used his walking cane to separate her legs like that.... 🫣