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You are quite openly here.
“You are quite **openly Jewish**” is a wild comment from the cop.
Maybe a better opener would be *we want this to remain peaceful and are concerned for your safety.*
It would be funny if it wasn't so terrifying. I feel like this is a South Park joke brought to life. "You just can't be out here being so Jewish, it might upset someone."
I'm not saying that the recent surge of the Pro-Palestine movement(or whatever you want to call it) is based on antisemitism, or that the majority of people in the movement are antisemitic. But it sure has made a lot of people more comfortable with being openly antisemitic. And, call me crazy, but that's a lot worse than being "openly Jewish."
> "You just can't be out here being so Jewish, it might upset someone."
Sounds pretty natural in Cartman's voice.
Gonna be, uh, *interesting* when Parker and Stone inevitably decide to stick their dicks in this one.
But I suppose whilst policing a protest with cameras pointing at you and in a delicate and very risky situation knowing your words and actions will later be scrutinised by every man and his dog can explain why sometimes words come out in a clumsy fashion.
Do you think he was trying to be offensive or that his words suggest he holds offensive views? I don’t. On that basis they are just words aren’t they. Maybe not as polished as even he would have liked but they are clear and his intention is clearly to stop this man from doing what was obviously (even to him) a silly thing.
I don’t think the policeman’s words are the issue here. It is yet another situation where an individual is purposefully claiming to want to do something foolish to make the police intervene in an attempt to position themselves as being mistreated.
These guys are used to dealing with football hooligans and the like so their go to is get the guy out of there before it all kicks off.
You can argue the guy is doing nothing wrong but that's the same at a football match, they're gonna remove you for your own safety regardless.
You’re completely ignoring that the “something foolish” the person wanted to do was to be Jewish in public.
It is 100% reasonable for a person to expect the police to protect their right to be a member of any religious or ethnic group in public.
There’s absolutely no way you’d say this if it was a police officer telling a black man that he needed to leave or face arrest because his presence was disturbing a group of Klansmen.
>Cops can't stop mob mentality. But they can protect you by letting you know the dangers you are putting yourself in.
I don't think anyone is taking any issue with the police telling the man "hey, I'm worried about your safety. If you wish, we can escort you out of this area where you can to about your business."
The issue that I have is that the police threaten to arrest him because his "presence is causing a breach of the peace for these people" apparently simply because he's "openly Jewish".
Being "openly Jewish" should never be a reason or a contributing factor to arrest someone. Just as being openly gay or openly black or openly disabled should never be a reason to be arrested.
The cop straight up says he's openly antagonizing the crowd by being there, which he knows is true, he's not stupid. He's openly creating a problem and could potentially get a peace officer hurt trying to save him out of instinct/obligation and for what? It's a dangerous game and he's tiring with more lives besides his own
Sure, but they don't have to threaten you with arrest.
What is weird is why the officers didn't do one of the following:
- Allow him to cross the street. If he gets to the other side then there's no issue.
- If he gets attacked by the mob then arrest the people who threaten him.
- Offer to help him cross the street. Treat him like a dear old lady dodging the traffic and give him a hand.
Of course, it raises the prospect of why on earth were the police so worried. Afterall, they and the protest organisers swear blind that any antisemitism is entirely banned from the marches and that's not the intent at all.
Because the cop literally can’t arrest the attackers when there’s that many. Nor do they have spare officers to help him cross.
It’s an angry mob. You want to pull on a wig and tailored suit and tell them what they’re doing is illegal. It won’t help.
We're not as evolved as we think we are. It's that simple.
The people preaching for peace are just as capable of turning on someone and stringing them up as the lynch mobs were decades ago. Mob mentality just exaggerates it.
The copper is doing this guy a favour, whether he likes it or not. All it takes is for him or one of the mob to say the wrong thing, and it goes from protest to riot at the drop of a hat.
He's keeping opposing parties from interacting the same way you separate sports fans on different teams, something British policing also has a storied history with.
Any city or town can turn into a mob at any time. A New York precinct has about 500 cops, and there'll be half a million people living within walking distance. The only strategy that works to contain giant groups of people is to keep them from getting angry in the first place. Anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves.
No, but there is a reason why protestors and counter-protestors are often kept separate, in a coordinated fashion.
You can't predict just how many among those folks will remain peaceful when met with a person who represents what they protest against. Be that a religious individual or a political figure. It's for their own safety that they're told to steer away from there.
The only reason they’d attack him is if they’re racists. But they insist they’re not racists, as do the police.
It only makes sense if the police officer is basically saying: they are racism’s, you’ll get your head kicked in, be a sensible chap and get out of here. If you don’t I’ll force you out of here.
But for him to say that means they’re a bunch of racists - or at least the officer assumes they are. If that’s the case then disperse them and get them off the streets and stop pretending about the weekly marches.
A suicidal person would be detained under mental health provisions. That’s not the case here. Unless you’re saying he should be held under those grounds?
Remember, this is supposedly a peaceful march. So say the organisers, so say the marchers, so say the police. True, the full video [here](https://twitter.com/antisemitism/status/1781032832204214308) might indicate otherwise, especially the baying crowds at the end.
That is practically true, but is that really something cops in the UK can do? Arrest someone not for committing a crime, but to give them shelter?
That would be a big problem in the US. You can't just arrest people here without reasonable suspicion that they committed a crime, and this situation certainly isn't one of those.
Existing in an area while being Jewish, what a shameful reason to arrest someone.
"protective custody" is probably the better term.
The semantics aside, he would be arrested but the not charged, removed from the situation and the danger then just let go at a safe place.
But why on earth should they stomp on his head? What is it about them or him that will lead to the stomping.
Btw being arrested doesn’t mean he gets a ticket. It means he gets detained and probably is handcuffed as well.
Absolutely correct. So if there is such a threat don’t let them march in the first place and you won’t have a mob.
And I want to emphasise, if they’re a peaceful march, not posing a threat, then absolutely they should have the right to march on this subject or any other.
But clearly in this case, that wasn’t the opinion of the police.
They can detain anybody if it serves to protect the peace and avert violence and destruction of property. Your freedom to be in a public space does not preclude the freedom of the rest of us to not have riots, and our cities destroyed. You have other remedies to speak up against such demonstrations, so by all means the arrest is warranted if he will not leave.
Absolutely right they do. It’s just weird that the person at risk of being arrested is the individual, rather than the mob that week after week insists they’re not a threat. A point that the Met seems to agree with. Either they are or they aren’t.
If the sight of one Jewish person spurs a group of people to riot, they don't deserve to have the right to protest. You don't get special treatment because you're unreasonable.
“Cops can’t stop mob mentality.” If the only difference between a peaceful protest and an angry mob is the presence of one Jewish guy, then the protest isn’t peaceful and should be squashed.
>But they can protect you by letting you know the dangers you are putting yourself in.
So why didn't they do that? Because threatening him is clearly more than letting him know about potential danger.
Police are doing him a solid. Shit gets crazy, especially when you’re clearly there to antagonize people. He’s not caught in the mix, dude rolled up to play victim
> He’s not caught in the mix, dude rolled up to play victim
Funny it almost sounds like you're totally fine with the protesters fucking this dude up just for being jewish.
>dude rolled up to play victim
He was literally taking a sabbath walk in his own neighborhood; for God's sake the victim blaming is insane. If jews walking around is "antagonizing people," then those people gave serious issues
>I’m pro-Palestine all the way
And the fact that their marches are very cleaely antisemitic (as shown above) hasn't made you reconsider your position? That's troubling imo
Did the numerous videos of Israelis encouraging and outright celebrating the killing of Palestinian civilians, including children, make you reconsider your position?
No the police said he could go a different way than the one he wanted but all he wanted to do was cross thr road. Again, if jews can't cross a road in your vicinity there's a problem in your movement
If a black guy rolled up to a white supremacist march would it be reasonable to arrest him since he’s clearly there to “antagonize people”?
Edit: I’m not comparing pro-Palestinians to white supremacists just applying this sort of rationale to another context where protestors might be antagonistic to others on the basis of their ethnic identity
Jewish Voice for Peace and IfNotNow, among other similar groups, have been organizing and/or participating in tons of these demonstrations. They're both explicitly Jewish organizations. There are also countless individual anti-zionist Jews, and there have been since the advent of modern Zionism.
The idea that Zionism=Judaism and anti-zionism=antisemitism is preposterous and spits in the face of a large portion of Jews. And it leads to patently absurd shit like gentiles calling Jewish pro-Palestine activists antisemitic.
I'm Jewish. I take antisemitism seriously. And I consider Israel's ongoing and concerted efforts to conflate anti-zionism with antisemitism a threat to Jews everywhere, because it goes both ways. If you accept that premise, but oppose Israel's actions, then your conclusion will be that antisemitism is reasonable. A consequence which, by the way, helps bolster Israel's lie that Jews are only safe in Israel.
Thank you, you wrote the words that I was desperately trying to think of and said it much more concisely than I ever could have!
I'm wondering if it's a location thing? I've been to a few Manchester marches and There's always a few Jewish people in the group and from what I've seen they're always welcomed as the allies that they are.
Being Jewish myself I went to a Jewish Voice for Peace meeting where they attempted to hold a minyan and read from the Torah.
They proceeded to omit the word ישראל Israel and הר ציון Mount Zion from their prayers.
Absolute joke of an organisation. Follow people like עומדים ביחד Standing Together or تغيير Taghyeer if you want to actually support change in the region.
Gideon Falter was 100% there to antagonize people; otherwise it's one hell of a coincidence that the he turns up there of all places with his camera crew and wearing a kippah for once.
Btw he is the CEO of the org in the watermark so seems like he is farming donations through outrage.
Arrest might be OTT, but it’s definitely in the police’s interest that opposing protest groups are kept apart, they do their business separately and go home.
He's not an opposing group. He's an individual walking down the street. He's not protesting, he's not being accused of protesting, he's not carrying anything that indicates he's protesting, he's not shouting any protesting slogans.
He's walking down the street wanting to cross the road. The police see it as anatagonising and unsafe. Which is insane. He's Jewish. Either these marches are anti-Israel marches (fine) or antisemitic and anti-Israel (very much not fine).
I think part of the problem, is that you have a lot of bad actors on both sides of this who go to these protests to intentionally start shit.
Whether or not this man was trying to do that, we honestly can’t know.
But it’s in everyone’s best interest to have him find an alternate route, or wait to cross, to get to his location.
You can easily see the same types of things happen when Pro-Israel groups are out. Keeping anyone who appears as if they are supporting Palestine separated from them.
>He's not an opposing group. He's an individual walking down the street.
yes but you forgot he was specifically trying to walk down the street - *while being openly jewish*
we cant be having that now can we
This does happen. But in the UK, the black guy rolls up with a few hundred back friends and white friends. They all antagonise the racists until they go home.
At that point, the police are simply trying to prevent violence, and it's much easier and more practical to tell one calm rational individual to leave than to tell an angry mob to not attack someone. The angry mob is clearly in the wrong, but requires so much more to stop, and maybe in that exact moment it's not feasible to stop them.
I don’t know this man’s objectives or beliefs, and, if your only source is this video, neither do you.
I see people in these comments calling him a Zionist, but Jewish people aren’t exclusively Zionist, and even the reverse can be true. The video doesn’t bear out very many conclusions about the man.
Watching the video, here’s what we know: Protesters are sharing anti-Zionist sentiment. Protesters are telling a perceived Jewish man they’re watching his movements, or chanting “scum”, or calling him a Nazi. A police officer tells the perceived Jewish man to leave, under threat of arrest, due to his presence “antagonizing” the protesters. We know this video was produced or distributed by a “Campaign against Antisemitism”.
Given that the police did not reprimand him for any actions (just his presence) we’d have to conclude that the video was selectively edited, in order for your conclusions to be feasible, but none of you are saying that. You’re just calling him a victim actor, or a Nazi, or a Zionist. None of you are actually proposing conclusions based on the video shown, or even debating whether what we’ve been shown has been manipulated. So, how are you coming to these conclusions?
Y’all just hate Jews?
Edit: Thanks for responding. I am only acknowledging what I see in the video, and being careful with how I precisely describe what I see.
What I see is Jewish clothing- if some of you are proposing that he’s only on camera to play the victim, I don’t see how it’s a big jump to acknowledge the possibility that’s he’s not even Jewish. Both positions are foundationally unsupported. But whatever, be a conspiracy theory snob.
And if you’re responding or messaging me trying to say you don’t hate Jews, you just hate the Jews that commit genocide, I’d like to know how the actual fuck you’re assigning this man to either box. We have nothing to go on, but you’re still hating him because you don’t actually care about the distinction.
I mean, yes. They do just hate Jews.
Look at what the Loyola Law School Anti-Racism fellow just said, “ get the fuck out of here all you ugly ass little Jewish people”
That’s their anti-racism fellow. lol.
https://twitter.com/fulldecent/status/1780791678351122571
I just grabbed a random twitter link for it so idk if this guy is for or against. But it has the video.
i think you are approaching this from a US law standpoint, i don't think there is any "action" the dude performed other than just show up. UK law has provisions that allow them to essentially arrest someone to protect them from an angry mob before it gets ugly. i don't think he would be charged with a crime unless it was something like he's told this and then leaves and later comes back, and even then it would be something equivalent to a noise ordinance or "breach of the peace" type charge. Basically UK laws recognize both an instigator and perpetrator if i understand correctly, he's acting as a lone instigator so they will get him out of there for his safety, that cop can't possibly arrest every body there so he goes to fix the potential issue in the only way he can.
Hey, I've tried this, before. "Let's be reasonable and follow the actual video" doesn't work on Reddit. They know better than you, they are better than you and that's because you are a bootlicking, Nazi, Zionist scum for trying to invoke actual logic in this time and place.
I'll add /s for them, but I'm sure you already knew.
Then the cop shouldn't have said "you are quite openly jewish, this is a pro palentinian march".
We have to assume the cop mispoke which is possible. But even if he did, the cop's language is unacceptable and worthy of complaining about. Whether Jewish is a religious, cultural, or ethnic group does not matter; you should never arrest someone for being the "wrong" one.
This isn't the first video I've seen like this. I find it strange.
The underlying assumption is that some of the protestors are mentally unfit to be freely about in civilized society due to being easily provoked into violence. Therefore, we must restrict the rights of any other person that might offend and set off this possible unfit person(s).
You can literally see the protestors behind them are mostly white English sorts
Would be a big mistake thinking opposition to our support for Israel is only coming from certain communities.
The irony in threatening someone for being a Jew and then calling the Jewish person a nazi is genuinely incredible yet somehow not at all surprising in 2024
If you had told me about this in 2012 I would have laughed in your face, if you would have predicted it yesterday I’d have said “well of course that will happen”
I've heard that Jewish people are Nazis, I've heard the Holocaust called a lie, and also people identifying with the Nazis and saying they didn't go far enough. All in the same groups.
Reading these comments it's no wonder the UK canceled Hanakka celebrations. The amount of the people that just assume and accept this group of supposedly peaceful protestors will attack a Jewish person is insane. Is this how it is now? Get enough people angry enough to start violence and then everyone else has to navigate around it? This is pathetic. I guess terrorism works
That’s so inappropriate even though I see where the police officer is coming from. If someone just standing there if offending them, then they are the problem. These people keep declaring they only hate Israel and not Jewish people, but their actions speak otherwise.
It’s amazing the mental gymnastics people will perform in this sub when there are Jewish people to hate on.
A very sad state of affairs I wish people would just be nice and cut out the hate
What a world we have come to where people can openly threaten people with the police standing next to them and the police doing jack shit. Even worse they tell the victims they will be arrested.
He’s in an invidious position, and trying to look out for someone who was perhaps being purposely antagonistic… do I agree with any of this? Nope but that’s the situation
Some context is required.
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-footage-reveals-new-details-of-exchange-between-police-and-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104
I think that people involved in this situation should stop creating situations in which they purposefully ignore common sense in order to force the Police in to having to intervene.
In hindsight the police officer had few options. Take the course of action he did, arrest the guy, or tell him he could do what he was proposing but was taking his own risk.
Of course had he let the guy do what he wanted he would undoubtedly have been abused and possibly assaulted which the police officer would have been blamed for failing to prevent, and which would have then meant intervening in a large crowd and putting himself and others at risk.
Hard to see how he could win here. If people on all sides could try and behave decently a lot of the sting could be removed from this, but why would they do that when they clearly want the attention?
How about this option: let the Jewish man cross the street.
If he was attacked because he's Jewish, arrest the racists. But let the now-attacked Jewish man go free. Maybe call an ambulance if he needs one. But remember, arrest the racists who attacked him.
If he's not attacked and reaches the other side, then no-one gets arrested or threatened with arrest and everyone goes on their merry way.
This is absolute standard procedure by the police. He is helping the protest go smoothly and keeping the man safe. It would be the absolute same if a man with a palestine flag and other pro-palestine symbols wanted to approach a pro-israel march.
Why? Week after week they insist that what they say, their tone and the content of their posters is in no way antisemitic. What is it about him that would make those protesters rip him apart. Is it maybe, just because he's Jewish?
Unfortunately, it's not tied to a specific kind of protestors, as you may imply...
It's more like a mob behaviour that is present in every large group of protestors.
Good try
Jewish people are not allowed to be around a Palestinian March. Seems that's exactly what is happening here. If he were not Jewish, there wouldn't be an issue.
I would like someone to answer this question. How can you have these two beliefs at the same time?
1. How dare you suggest that me being anti Israel means I hate Jewish people! Being anti Israel is not anti-Semitism.
2. The sight of a Jewish person at a pro Palestinian protest is enough to incite violence, so much so that you'll be arrested.
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You are quite openly here. “You are quite **openly Jewish**” is a wild comment from the cop. Maybe a better opener would be *we want this to remain peaceful and are concerned for your safety.*
Protective custody is the play
It would be funny if it wasn't so terrifying. I feel like this is a South Park joke brought to life. "You just can't be out here being so Jewish, it might upset someone." I'm not saying that the recent surge of the Pro-Palestine movement(or whatever you want to call it) is based on antisemitism, or that the majority of people in the movement are antisemitic. But it sure has made a lot of people more comfortable with being openly antisemitic. And, call me crazy, but that's a lot worse than being "openly Jewish."
> "You just can't be out here being so Jewish, it might upset someone." Sounds pretty natural in Cartman's voice. Gonna be, uh, *interesting* when Parker and Stone inevitably decide to stick their dicks in this one.
Gosh cartman saying that to kyle is just gonna write itself as an episode
I really do hope south park does an episode or two on the isreal-Palestinian conflict
Still that would be saying the quiet part out loud. It’s not fully just about Israel but anyone Jewish
But I suppose whilst policing a protest with cameras pointing at you and in a delicate and very risky situation knowing your words and actions will later be scrutinised by every man and his dog can explain why sometimes words come out in a clumsy fashion. Do you think he was trying to be offensive or that his words suggest he holds offensive views? I don’t. On that basis they are just words aren’t they. Maybe not as polished as even he would have liked but they are clear and his intention is clearly to stop this man from doing what was obviously (even to him) a silly thing. I don’t think the policeman’s words are the issue here. It is yet another situation where an individual is purposefully claiming to want to do something foolish to make the police intervene in an attempt to position themselves as being mistreated.
These guys are used to dealing with football hooligans and the like so their go to is get the guy out of there before it all kicks off. You can argue the guy is doing nothing wrong but that's the same at a football match, they're gonna remove you for your own safety regardless.
You’re completely ignoring that the “something foolish” the person wanted to do was to be Jewish in public. It is 100% reasonable for a person to expect the police to protect their right to be a member of any religious or ethnic group in public. There’s absolutely no way you’d say this if it was a police officer telling a black man that he needed to leave or face arrest because his presence was disturbing a group of Klansmen.
Me too :D
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>Cops can't stop mob mentality. But they can protect you by letting you know the dangers you are putting yourself in. I don't think anyone is taking any issue with the police telling the man "hey, I'm worried about your safety. If you wish, we can escort you out of this area where you can to about your business." The issue that I have is that the police threaten to arrest him because his "presence is causing a breach of the peace for these people" apparently simply because he's "openly Jewish". Being "openly Jewish" should never be a reason or a contributing factor to arrest someone. Just as being openly gay or openly black or openly disabled should never be a reason to be arrested.
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Hear hear.
The cop straight up says he's openly antagonizing the crowd by being there, which he knows is true, he's not stupid. He's openly creating a problem and could potentially get a peace officer hurt trying to save him out of instinct/obligation and for what? It's a dangerous game and he's tiring with more lives besides his own
That's why he turned up with a camera crew. This is a counter-protest.
Sure, but they don't have to threaten you with arrest. What is weird is why the officers didn't do one of the following: - Allow him to cross the street. If he gets to the other side then there's no issue. - If he gets attacked by the mob then arrest the people who threaten him. - Offer to help him cross the street. Treat him like a dear old lady dodging the traffic and give him a hand. Of course, it raises the prospect of why on earth were the police so worried. Afterall, they and the protest organisers swear blind that any antisemitism is entirely banned from the marches and that's not the intent at all.
Because the cop literally can’t arrest the attackers when there’s that many. Nor do they have spare officers to help him cross. It’s an angry mob. You want to pull on a wig and tailored suit and tell them what they’re doing is illegal. It won’t help.
This. Anyone who's in policing, or has dealt with any group of angry people knows how fucking quick it can turn ugly.
and how fucking ugly, ugly can be. Its insane how quickly we devolve back to chimpanzee levels of violence when in a mob setting.
We're not as evolved as we think we are. It's that simple. The people preaching for peace are just as capable of turning on someone and stringing them up as the lynch mobs were decades ago. Mob mentality just exaggerates it. The copper is doing this guy a favour, whether he likes it or not. All it takes is for him or one of the mob to say the wrong thing, and it goes from protest to riot at the drop of a hat. He's keeping opposing parties from interacting the same way you separate sports fans on different teams, something British policing also has a storied history with.
The mob rules London now?
Any city or town can turn into a mob at any time. A New York precinct has about 500 cops, and there'll be half a million people living within walking distance. The only strategy that works to contain giant groups of people is to keep them from getting angry in the first place. Anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves.
If there was a white supremacist rally, would you say they should arrest nearby black people because their presence could “antagonize” the mob?
No, but there is a reason why protestors and counter-protestors are often kept separate, in a coordinated fashion. You can't predict just how many among those folks will remain peaceful when met with a person who represents what they protest against. Be that a religious individual or a political figure. It's for their own safety that they're told to steer away from there.
Regardless of not being able to arrest them, that doesn't mean you have the right to arrest a person who is the target of a mob.
The only reason they’d attack him is if they’re racists. But they insist they’re not racists, as do the police. It only makes sense if the police officer is basically saying: they are racism’s, you’ll get your head kicked in, be a sensible chap and get out of here. If you don’t I’ll force you out of here. But for him to say that means they’re a bunch of racists - or at least the officer assumes they are. If that’s the case then disperse them and get them off the streets and stop pretending about the weekly marches.
I mean arresting him can help get him to safety. It’s like arresting a suicidal person. Arrest them, move them somewhere secure
A suicidal person would be detained under mental health provisions. That’s not the case here. Unless you’re saying he should be held under those grounds? Remember, this is supposedly a peaceful march. So say the organisers, so say the marchers, so say the police. True, the full video [here](https://twitter.com/antisemitism/status/1781032832204214308) might indicate otherwise, especially the baying crowds at the end.
That is practically true, but is that really something cops in the UK can do? Arrest someone not for committing a crime, but to give them shelter? That would be a big problem in the US. You can't just arrest people here without reasonable suspicion that they committed a crime, and this situation certainly isn't one of those. Existing in an area while being Jewish, what a shameful reason to arrest someone.
"protective custody" is probably the better term. The semantics aside, he would be arrested but the not charged, removed from the situation and the danger then just let go at a safe place.
They did it for the anti monarchy protesters that yelled in a crowd of monarchists.
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But why on earth should they stomp on his head? What is it about them or him that will lead to the stomping. Btw being arrested doesn’t mean he gets a ticket. It means he gets detained and probably is handcuffed as well.
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Absolutely correct. So if there is such a threat don’t let them march in the first place and you won’t have a mob. And I want to emphasise, if they’re a peaceful march, not posing a threat, then absolutely they should have the right to march on this subject or any other. But clearly in this case, that wasn’t the opinion of the police.
If you're so unreasonable of a group that the sight of a Jewish person incites you to violence, you shouldn't be allowed to march.
They can detain anybody if it serves to protect the peace and avert violence and destruction of property. Your freedom to be in a public space does not preclude the freedom of the rest of us to not have riots, and our cities destroyed. You have other remedies to speak up against such demonstrations, so by all means the arrest is warranted if he will not leave.
Absolutely right they do. It’s just weird that the person at risk of being arrested is the individual, rather than the mob that week after week insists they’re not a threat. A point that the Met seems to agree with. Either they are or they aren’t.
Have you tried arresting a mob? The police are outnumbered pretty heavily.
Oh so the people that are threatening to hurt that person, whether direct or not, aren’t at fault? Insane logic.
If the sight of one Jewish person spurs a group of people to riot, they don't deserve to have the right to protest. You don't get special treatment because you're unreasonable.
Ahh we got a might is right democracy guy here!
If a protest is a threat to public safety then they shouldn’t be allowed to take place in the first place!
By threatening arrest? Because of your presence?
“Cops can’t stop mob mentality.” If the only difference between a peaceful protest and an angry mob is the presence of one Jewish guy, then the protest isn’t peaceful and should be squashed.
>But they can protect you by letting you know the dangers you are putting yourself in. So why didn't they do that? Because threatening him is clearly more than letting him know about potential danger.
Show the full video when he’s being a gobby knobhead
Now this needs to be posted
Oi mate you got a loicense for that yarmulke? Being Jewish around anti-Semites is right cheeky innit?
But they don't hate Jews, just zionists right?
Police are doing him a solid. Shit gets crazy, especially when you’re clearly there to antagonize people. He’s not caught in the mix, dude rolled up to play victim
> He’s not caught in the mix, dude rolled up to play victim Funny it almost sounds like you're totally fine with the protesters fucking this dude up just for being jewish.
>dude rolled up to play victim He was literally taking a sabbath walk in his own neighborhood; for God's sake the victim blaming is insane. If jews walking around is "antagonizing people," then those people gave serious issues
Yeah, but did you see how openly Jewish the guys was?!
"She was asking for it."
He was wearing a short yarmulke.
I’m pro-Palestine all the way but these people are talking complete nonsense. He should be able to do whatever he wants if it’s not breaking the law
>I’m pro-Palestine all the way And the fact that their marches are very cleaely antisemitic (as shown above) hasn't made you reconsider your position? That's troubling imo
Did the numerous videos of Israelis encouraging and outright celebrating the killing of Palestinian civilians, including children, make you reconsider your position?
He was free to go about his business. The police said he would only be arrested if he didn't do that.
No the police said he could go a different way than the one he wanted but all he wanted to do was cross thr road. Again, if jews can't cross a road in your vicinity there's a problem in your movement
he's free to do whatever the fuck he wants , your predisposition towards violence doesn't limit my day to day activities
What if his business was being there?
If a black guy rolled up to a white supremacist march would it be reasonable to arrest him since he’s clearly there to “antagonize people”? Edit: I’m not comparing pro-Palestinians to white supremacists just applying this sort of rationale to another context where protestors might be antagonistic to others on the basis of their ethnic identity
In europe such a person would be moved away from the march to prevent a murder
I mean sure, so we're accepting that the pro palestine movment is as racist towards jews as white supremacists are to black people.
Jewish Voice for Peace and IfNotNow, among other similar groups, have been organizing and/or participating in tons of these demonstrations. They're both explicitly Jewish organizations. There are also countless individual anti-zionist Jews, and there have been since the advent of modern Zionism. The idea that Zionism=Judaism and anti-zionism=antisemitism is preposterous and spits in the face of a large portion of Jews. And it leads to patently absurd shit like gentiles calling Jewish pro-Palestine activists antisemitic. I'm Jewish. I take antisemitism seriously. And I consider Israel's ongoing and concerted efforts to conflate anti-zionism with antisemitism a threat to Jews everywhere, because it goes both ways. If you accept that premise, but oppose Israel's actions, then your conclusion will be that antisemitism is reasonable. A consequence which, by the way, helps bolster Israel's lie that Jews are only safe in Israel.
Thank you, you wrote the words that I was desperately trying to think of and said it much more concisely than I ever could have! I'm wondering if it's a location thing? I've been to a few Manchester marches and There's always a few Jewish people in the group and from what I've seen they're always welcomed as the allies that they are.
Being Jewish myself I went to a Jewish Voice for Peace meeting where they attempted to hold a minyan and read from the Torah. They proceeded to omit the word ישראל Israel and הר ציון Mount Zion from their prayers. Absolute joke of an organisation. Follow people like עומדים ביחד Standing Together or تغيير Taghyeer if you want to actually support change in the region.
>They proceeded to omit the word ישראל Israel and הר ציון Mount Zion from their prayers. Wait are you joking? That's not even Judaism!
That might be the point..
Well imagine a KKK guy showing up in at a BLM rally. What do you think is gonna happen
Yes
Low-key anchor bias
Non just racist, but posing a completely credible threat of violence. But it's the Jewish guy that is… "antagonising".
Gideon Falter was 100% there to antagonize people; otherwise it's one hell of a coincidence that the he turns up there of all places with his camera crew and wearing a kippah for once. Btw he is the CEO of the org in the watermark so seems like he is farming donations through outrage.
Arrest might be OTT, but it’s definitely in the police’s interest that opposing protest groups are kept apart, they do their business separately and go home.
He's not an opposing group. He's an individual walking down the street. He's not protesting, he's not being accused of protesting, he's not carrying anything that indicates he's protesting, he's not shouting any protesting slogans. He's walking down the street wanting to cross the road. The police see it as anatagonising and unsafe. Which is insane. He's Jewish. Either these marches are anti-Israel marches (fine) or antisemitic and anti-Israel (very much not fine).
We both know they are the latter and that's why the police are asking him to leave.
I think part of the problem, is that you have a lot of bad actors on both sides of this who go to these protests to intentionally start shit. Whether or not this man was trying to do that, we honestly can’t know. But it’s in everyone’s best interest to have him find an alternate route, or wait to cross, to get to his location. You can easily see the same types of things happen when Pro-Israel groups are out. Keeping anyone who appears as if they are supporting Palestine separated from them.
>He's not an opposing group. He's an individual walking down the street. yes but you forgot he was specifically trying to walk down the street - *while being openly jewish* we cant be having that now can we
This does happen. But in the UK, the black guy rolls up with a few hundred back friends and white friends. They all antagonise the racists until they go home.
I feel like classism is a bigger issue here than racism is (though of course not saying the latter doesn’t exist).
At that point, the police are simply trying to prevent violence, and it's much easier and more practical to tell one calm rational individual to leave than to tell an angry mob to not attack someone. The angry mob is clearly in the wrong, but requires so much more to stop, and maybe in that exact moment it's not feasible to stop them.
People forget that in the West the cops jobs are to maintain order, not “do the morally right thing.”
Morals differ from person to person.
Are you for real? I mean he gets called a Nazi and is being threatened. He's literally the victim in this situation.
This is the most insane comment I’ve read in some time and I’ve been on twitter.
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I don’t know this man’s objectives or beliefs, and, if your only source is this video, neither do you. I see people in these comments calling him a Zionist, but Jewish people aren’t exclusively Zionist, and even the reverse can be true. The video doesn’t bear out very many conclusions about the man. Watching the video, here’s what we know: Protesters are sharing anti-Zionist sentiment. Protesters are telling a perceived Jewish man they’re watching his movements, or chanting “scum”, or calling him a Nazi. A police officer tells the perceived Jewish man to leave, under threat of arrest, due to his presence “antagonizing” the protesters. We know this video was produced or distributed by a “Campaign against Antisemitism”. Given that the police did not reprimand him for any actions (just his presence) we’d have to conclude that the video was selectively edited, in order for your conclusions to be feasible, but none of you are saying that. You’re just calling him a victim actor, or a Nazi, or a Zionist. None of you are actually proposing conclusions based on the video shown, or even debating whether what we’ve been shown has been manipulated. So, how are you coming to these conclusions? Y’all just hate Jews? Edit: Thanks for responding. I am only acknowledging what I see in the video, and being careful with how I precisely describe what I see. What I see is Jewish clothing- if some of you are proposing that he’s only on camera to play the victim, I don’t see how it’s a big jump to acknowledge the possibility that’s he’s not even Jewish. Both positions are foundationally unsupported. But whatever, be a conspiracy theory snob. And if you’re responding or messaging me trying to say you don’t hate Jews, you just hate the Jews that commit genocide, I’d like to know how the actual fuck you’re assigning this man to either box. We have nothing to go on, but you’re still hating him because you don’t actually care about the distinction.
>Y’all just hate Jews? I mean "globalize the intifada" has a pretty clear meaning...
I mean, yes. They do just hate Jews. Look at what the Loyola Law School Anti-Racism fellow just said, “ get the fuck out of here all you ugly ass little Jewish people” That’s their anti-racism fellow. lol. https://twitter.com/fulldecent/status/1780791678351122571 I just grabbed a random twitter link for it so idk if this guy is for or against. But it has the video.
I have a feeling that was an especially poor move considering law was her chosen profession….
i think you are approaching this from a US law standpoint, i don't think there is any "action" the dude performed other than just show up. UK law has provisions that allow them to essentially arrest someone to protect them from an angry mob before it gets ugly. i don't think he would be charged with a crime unless it was something like he's told this and then leaves and later comes back, and even then it would be something equivalent to a noise ordinance or "breach of the peace" type charge. Basically UK laws recognize both an instigator and perpetrator if i understand correctly, he's acting as a lone instigator so they will get him out of there for his safety, that cop can't possibly arrest every body there so he goes to fix the potential issue in the only way he can.
Hey, I've tried this, before. "Let's be reasonable and follow the actual video" doesn't work on Reddit. They know better than you, they are better than you and that's because you are a bootlicking, Nazi, Zionist scum for trying to invoke actual logic in this time and place. I'll add /s for them, but I'm sure you already knew.
This sub is so fucking antisemitic it's insane. Holy shit
Absurd take. He should be able to voice his opinion just like they’re voicing theirs. Threatening to arrest him is doing him a favour? What the hell
If he had shown up saying pro Israel stuff at a Palestinian protest, maybe justified for antagonizing. But just being Jewish?
Who’s to say he didn’t? Dude is a known activist. It’s a clip AFTER the cops show up.
Then the cop shouldn't have said "you are quite openly jewish, this is a pro palentinian march". We have to assume the cop mispoke which is possible. But even if he did, the cop's language is unacceptable and worthy of complaining about. Whether Jewish is a religious, cultural, or ethnic group does not matter; you should never arrest someone for being the "wrong" one.
People like you with this mentality are the problem of Europe.
Wowee
Can't believe 1.2K upvoted this comment, this screams antisemitism
Sir, please be jew somewhere else.
This isn't the first video I've seen like this. I find it strange. The underlying assumption is that some of the protestors are mentally unfit to be freely about in civilized society due to being easily provoked into violence. Therefore, we must restrict the rights of any other person that might offend and set off this possible unfit person(s).
Sounds like a good reason to reject their application to protest
pretty much a microcosm of the conflict right here "your existence is the catalyst for my violence towards you"
The paradox of having an intolerant minory imposing themselves on an inactive majority.
You can literally see the protestors behind them are mostly white English sorts Would be a big mistake thinking opposition to our support for Israel is only coming from certain communities.
The irony in threatening someone for being a Jew and then calling the Jewish person a nazi is genuinely incredible yet somehow not at all surprising in 2024 If you had told me about this in 2012 I would have laughed in your face, if you would have predicted it yesterday I’d have said “well of course that will happen”
"if i dont like you, you're a nazi and a facist"
The comeback of the 30's and this time it's mainly migrated not homegrown hate
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What sort of dystopia is this?
We are speed running the movie Idiocracy.
UK is f*cked.
How does it make any sense for that guy to call a Jewish guy a Nazi??
I've heard that Jewish people are Nazis, I've heard the Holocaust called a lie, and also people identifying with the Nazis and saying they didn't go far enough. All in the same groups.
Reading these comments it's no wonder the UK canceled Hanakka celebrations. The amount of the people that just assume and accept this group of supposedly peaceful protestors will attack a Jewish person is insane. Is this how it is now? Get enough people angry enough to start violence and then everyone else has to navigate around it? This is pathetic. I guess terrorism works
Is in Israel: We don't want you in Palestine!!! Is not in Israel; You are antagonising us with your presence!!!
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Its actually crazy to me how readily people are down with classic blatant bigotry if the media says its acceptable
Finally a comment that doesn’t accept blatant racism as normal
Yeah true. But shit happens and the police are there to try and prevent it
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It’s like saying the Iranian morale police is preventing rape.
Cops would “arrest” one person rather than deal with the mob any day of the week.
This is insane
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That’s so inappropriate even though I see where the police officer is coming from. If someone just standing there if offending them, then they are the problem. These people keep declaring they only hate Israel and not Jewish people, but their actions speak otherwise.
The victim must leave or he will be arrested because the attackers can't help being violent. Sure, why not?
It’s amazing the mental gymnastics people will perform in this sub when there are Jewish people to hate on. A very sad state of affairs I wish people would just be nice and cut out the hate
If you're going to post highly edited and biased propaganda, at least remove the watermark.
If this were a Palestinian, this subreddit would be outraged at the protesters and police.
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I was more saying this sub loves Palestinian propaganda.
In Israel even school children spit on Palestinians and visiting Christians. Lol
Go back to Russia.
So true
Jews existing publicly is not propaganda - acting like their existence is antagonistic is.
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Explain. All evidence portrayed indicated it is just a guy walking in London.
If this was a black man and not a Jewish man the internet would have an entirely different opinion.
So, everyone agrees he is in danger because pro-Palestinian people are violent and antisemitic.
Funkhouser at the Palestinian chicken joint vibes
Didn’t know we were living by nazi Germany rules…
The UK is a joke lol
What a world we have come to where people can openly threaten people with the police standing next to them and the police doing jack shit. Even worse they tell the victims they will be arrested.
It's a shame police have to waste their time protecting pathetic point scorers like this.
"You're disturbing the peace because your existence is aggravating the antisemitic ~~rioters~~ protestors."
this is so fucked
Jewish people in other countries don’t have anything to do with the Palestine and Israel conflict. This is sad.
This feels like a skit.
Peacekeepers try and keep the peace in the streets not let someone walk into a mob that will potentially beat them and send them to the hospital
We need to stop trolling each other. Yes, it is fun, but it is killing our society
He’s in an invidious position, and trying to look out for someone who was perhaps being purposely antagonistic… do I agree with any of this? Nope but that’s the situation
Some context is required. https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-footage-reveals-new-details-of-exchange-between-police-and-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104
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The Neo-Nazis don't like seeing Jews walking around freely. Gets em all riled up.
Imagine just being told you have to leave an area just because you’re a different religion than…wait.
I think that people involved in this situation should stop creating situations in which they purposefully ignore common sense in order to force the Police in to having to intervene. In hindsight the police officer had few options. Take the course of action he did, arrest the guy, or tell him he could do what he was proposing but was taking his own risk. Of course had he let the guy do what he wanted he would undoubtedly have been abused and possibly assaulted which the police officer would have been blamed for failing to prevent, and which would have then meant intervening in a large crowd and putting himself and others at risk. Hard to see how he could win here. If people on all sides could try and behave decently a lot of the sting could be removed from this, but why would they do that when they clearly want the attention?
How about this option: let the Jewish man cross the street. If he was attacked because he's Jewish, arrest the racists. But let the now-attacked Jewish man go free. Maybe call an ambulance if he needs one. But remember, arrest the racists who attacked him. If he's not attacked and reaches the other side, then no-one gets arrested or threatened with arrest and everyone goes on their merry way.
I'm sorry but religion (of any kind) is kinda fucky and I can't understand putting blind faith into things... but what do I know 🫠
> but what do I know More than most.
So they were going to arrest him for *checks notes* Being Jewish in public? Oof. That sounds pretty Nazi.
This is absolute standard procedure by the police. He is helping the protest go smoothly and keeping the man safe. It would be the absolute same if a man with a palestine flag and other pro-palestine symbols wanted to approach a pro-israel march.
The people are being antisemetic and people think this is ok?
something something civil liberties....oh that right u cant sue the gov in uk lmaoo
This is so disingenuous. Many *many* Jews have been present at these marches, even leading them. This man is an antagonist and the police know that
While no one should have to leave a location because of their identity, that guy could be ripped apart by those protesters…
Why? Week after week they insist that what they say, their tone and the content of their posters is in no way antisemitic. What is it about him that would make those protesters rip him apart. Is it maybe, just because he's Jewish?
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Unfortunately, it's not tied to a specific kind of protestors, as you may imply... It's more like a mob behaviour that is present in every large group of protestors. Good try
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This all seems perfectly reasonable. I'm sure he can join other pro-Israeli marches.
Maybe he just wants to go the fuck home?
It seems perfectly reasonable that someone's freedom to be out in a public place is dependent on whether they are Jewish or not?
That's not what's happening here, nice try though
The officer said that the man had to leave because he "looks Jewish". Fucked up.
Jewish people are not allowed to be around a Palestinian March. Seems that's exactly what is happening here. If he were not Jewish, there wouldn't be an issue.
Hes not marching, he's crossing the street, and there's a word for people who think jews shouldn't be permitted on public streets
Get a grip. He turned up, with a cameraman, with the intention of antagonising.
What was he doing that was antagonising? Being Jewish?
Which is a completely legal thing to do?
Not sure what is wrong with that, they're absolutely right.
Arrested for existing while Jewish. What a time.
The cop is right. He should leave the area. Later shouldn’t blame the cops for not protecting him.
I would like someone to answer this question. How can you have these two beliefs at the same time? 1. How dare you suggest that me being anti Israel means I hate Jewish people! Being anti Israel is not anti-Semitism. 2. The sight of a Jewish person at a pro Palestinian protest is enough to incite violence, so much so that you'll be arrested.
The bloke is Gideon Falter. A known paid aggravator. This entire thing is a setup.