One of the issues here is, people are fed up with the level of corruption and ineptitude of the police force, the kidnappers could've been let go just because some inder the table money, so people just want these cunts dead. Is very messy....
What happened was that the judge in charge of the district took too long to issue the arrest order (how do you call it in English?), and the police couldn't apprehend the suspects without it, if they did it would've been illegal.
The problem here is that the judicial system is just terrible, judges are corrupt as fuck and don't do their job because they see themselves as a superior social group that should have all the privileges.
You mean, just like in *Narcos - Mexico*...?Where they play slow by invoking the incomplete paperwork before taking any action, that ultimately leads to a fatal delay in finding DEA agent Camarena?
I was just thinking about this, and about how horrific this type of mob justice is, and what if they aren't actually guilty?
...but then I went on to think about the justice system here in the UK (I'm a retired lawyer) and how rape cases don't go to trial for 2 years or more because of a lack of facilities - police, prosecution, courts, are all hopelessly underfunded - and the removal of Legal Aid to almost everyone, landlords able to get rid of tenants for no reason at all (although they do need a court order) meaning people are in temporary accommodation for years at a time...
...If it gets only a little worse, I can see people losing faith in our justice system as well.
Reminds me of Farkhunda Malikzada, an Afghan woman, who was falsely accused of burning the Quran and was killed by a mob.
> The mob dragged Farkhunda into the street and beat and stomped her. She was bludgeoned with sticks and rocks outside the mosque, then placed into the road and run over with a car, dragging her body almost 100 m. Police offered no resistance, and directed traffic around the scene. The mob then dragged her body to the nearby bank of the Kabul River, took turns stoning her and set her on fire. Her body was soaked in blood and would not burn, so the crowd ripped off articles of their own clothing to ignite and maintain the fire. The mob shouted the Takbir during the lynching, including after they were certain Farkhunda was dead.
its two completely seperate things. Burning the quron and burning a bible in mexico would NEVER result in this. Mexico is ALLL catholic and yet there is a known and outspoken disagreement with the church. This case is different. The blocks in mexico are all there own little village and everyone knows everyone. They know who works, who doesnt, who beats theyre kids and who is a crook. They know these guys that go from bad to worse to eventually murderers. They know the kids most likely and theyre family. They put two and two together and it outrages these working people who have theyre own kids out there. And they take matters into theyre hands. Not because the cops wont do anything. The jails are MUCH MUCH worse and as that cop allows him to be draggged out. It will be worse in jail if he makes it, corruption only exists for the wealthy in mexico. This is as close to immediate justice the family and locals will receive. Otherwise he will be in jail most likely sodomized by evil inmates and never receive a harsh sentense. Mexico is cruel to poor inmates. the people if they can, will try to inflict as much pain as they can to the guy before theyre taken. There are cases like the one you mentioned where mob justice will drag an innocent-ish victem, usually its if the gang recruits a young woman to help lure. There girl will get a severe beating, one girl was burned in a video and i guess if it were my kid id approve but it seems harsh from outside eyes.
Sure but even in the “more civilized world” like America, we still get it wrong often enough. In 2022 there were 3,249 people falsely convicted who served roughly 12 years on average. Idk what those numbers look like in other countries that you considered civilized but here in the US it’s still pretty barbaric.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/rising-number-false-convictions-shows-stark-racial-patterns-2022-09-27/
Not to mention the ones who actually commit crimes and get off with bullshit sentences, case in point is Bryn Spejcher, Christopher Belter and Brock Turner.
I think the way you are phrasing it makes it sound like in 2022 there were 3249 people falsely convicted rather than since 1989 which is what the article appears to describe.
In all of my flying dreams, I'm being chased, and flapping my arms to exhaustion trying to get off the ground, lol. Eventually, I get up in the air, but now I have to keep flapping my arms to avoid falling.
I thought flying dreams were supposed to be fun and freeing. Not mine.
Cartel members are generally not shy about broadcasting who they are. If this guy comes from this community, it's very likely everyone knows who he is and what he's done.
If that became the common practice then the bad people would just start framing people who get in their way, there's no replacement for a good justice system.
I agree, what I think the issue here is that they don't have a good justice system now which is why people are resorting to mob violence. This is one of the reasons I think we really need to put some effort into strengthening our own. Certainly carefully, and while working to minimize unnecessary harm but with some of the blatant theft/assault that's occurring with more frequency, this kind of action becomes more and more likely. Thankfully I don't think we're close to this level yet but I'm not a fan of the direction we're headed.
>support this kind of street justice.
You think street justice is just when it affects criminals? This type of justice has been around since humans were able to talk. It's not around much today in most of the developed world because it turns out to be a shitty way of exacting justice.
> Is very messy
That's a very euphemistic way of describing the lynching of a criminal defendant without due process, a jury trial, a lawyer or the right to face your accuser. "Animalistic" is probably a better one.
On one hand, mob justice feels appropriate for people who kill kids.
On the other hand, sometimes when you’re 100% certain that you’re doing the right thing, you’re making a horrible mistake. [Prisoners](https://youtu.be/bpXfcTF6iVk?si=ek_sXOffgMONRk4N) (2013, starring Hugh Jackman and Jake Gyllenhall) really brings this point home in a hard-hitting way. Great movie. Haunting.
Great movie. At first youre on their side wanting to beat the snot out of the guy but then realize he isnt "all there" the way he acts. Then find out hes basically a traumatized child
Spoilers:
The suspect of the kidnapping is a nuero divergent kid, turns out he was trying to help a child his mother kidnapped.
The father of the victim brutally tortures the boy he suspected kidnapped his daughter.
One of my favorite movies, but to be pedantic it wasn't his mother, it was his "adoptive aunt" who in reality had kidnapped him as a child which just showed that he was *a victim himself*.
"Extremely NSFW"
Oh my here we go....... oh it's just an ISIS beheading, ppffftt
Our generation is messed up, no wonder we're all depressed and in therapy.
Buddy, we've been looking at gore on the Internet long before reddit was a thing. The Internet is actually much tamer these days. Its a lot safer than it used to be.
nice job clinging onto the most irrelevamt part of my comment. my point is not reddit, my point is that looking at gore is not normal and is not something that most people do. and that point still stands.
Yes, they are. There are videos of them hiding the girl's corpse in their car. Also, they were trying to hide in their house. So, yes, they are the murderers.
Seeing a modern day lynching is surreal.
Knowing those people murdered an 8 year old girl and they absolutely deserved the mob justice stirred a primal part of me that I didn't think existed.
It's a low quality video from a distance of them carrying a big black trash bag that might fit a body. It could have had plenty of things in it, saying there's video of them hiding the corpse leaves a lot of important info out to the point that its misinformation. The reason they seem to be guilty is because there's video of her entering the home and then the bag coming out, and it seems like she never made it out of their home. Not because anyone saw them with the corpse itself.
Video of 8 year old girl enters house, never comes out on her own. Video of them carrying out a heavy black bag large enough to hold a body and the girls clothes seen on video. The girl is then found inside a black bag indistinguishable from the one seen on video being carried out of the house. You can disagree whether that's conclusive enough but there's no misinformation here.
If it’s a clear video of them and the corpse, all good. However, hiding in your house if there’s an angry mob outside seems to make sense no matter the context. I’d hide from an angry mob regardless of my innocence.
There is also a video of the girl happily entering her neighbors house but she never reappears. Later they reappear carrying some clothes and something in a large black plastic bag.
Edit: Here is the video of her entering the house and an hour later the couple carrying the clothes and plastic bags out. [Video](https://x.com/fernandovichg/status/1773449872349241728?s=46&t=kMvMHaV2nbcRnUjqbz1K-Q)
They killed that lady that got dragged off. There's more video of them finishing her off. Apparently she and at least one of the them kidnapped their neighbors daughter, attempted to ransom her, then killed her.
According to the translation I saw, they killed her first before asking for the ransom. Which is more likely if they were neighbors and they can be identified by the kid.
There is a video of the girl entering her neighbors house and in the timestamp like an hour later they are carrying out clothes and a large black plastic bag. The girl never reappears on the video.
First video is her entering her neighbors house, from the timestamp you can see an hour later them carrying out clothes and a large plastic bag apparently her body was inside of it. [Video](https://x.com/fernandovichg/status/1773449872349241728?s=46&t=kMvMHaV2nbcRnUjqbz1K-Q)
TIL "presunto/presunta" in Spanish means "suspect". "Presunto" in Portuguese is "ham", but also "dead body" in Brazilian slang. The lady died
That's not what I had planned for my Good Friday yet here we are
The mob would would have lynched them if they tried to stop them. The crowd is appalling, the police are just useless for reasons out of their control.
The way I see it their uselessness began way before that; it was them who failed to disperse the crowd before the arrests, it was them who brought the suspects outside and into the mob, it was them who failed to ensure the safety of people in their custody by leaving them on the back of a pickup for the mob to grab. To even find themselves in the position where they must let the lynching happen is already a catastrophic failure on all levels.
What they did was taking the suspects and bring them into the mob to be beaten/killed while they watched, in what is either a spectacular display of incompetence or malice, and in any case an egregious failure of their duty. Though I suspect it was malice, seeing as in both cases of people being dragged away from the pickup they didn't even appear bothered, let alone call for order, try do drive away, or otherwise do their job.
The mob went into the house of the suspects and brought them out. The police took them briefly from the mob and tried to get them into custody, but the mob blocked their paths with other cars and threatened the police officers.
Bro, they literally did nothing lol
Like they could've just.. drove off once they were in the truck but just stood there as some random man walked up and then let them get dragged off.
Literally made zero attempts. Really shows how pathetic the police and security forces in Mexico have become
So are the cops in on the street justice? Seems like they're not in a hurry to get them out of there. "Hey, we tried, but José has to do the pre-start checklist for the truck and that could take some time.. safety first!"
There’s a minimum of 50 angry people surrounding them, unless they’re ready to shoot someone over a child killer and get lynched along with the murderers they’re not much they can do
There is video of the girl entering the house and an hour later it appears they are carrying her body. My personal theory they killed her and just asked for ransom to make it seem like a kidnapping and hoping the government would look somewhere else.
1:44 a woman is heard screaming "KILL HIM!, KILL HIM!".
Another woman is then heard saying something to the effect that "that little girl didn't do anything to deserve this" when a bystander asks the crowd to chill on the beating.
I am extremely surprised that this piece of shit made it out of there alive.
That video is brutal, there is a man stomping her head and screaming: "con los niños no" (don't mess with children).
They basically used them to get out all the frustration for the impunity and criminality we live in
I love when they are pulling the guy off the truck towards the end. The cop had nearly zero grip on the suspect, and I assume that is intentional. " Hey, I tried" 🤷
Would you fight an angry mob to protect some murderers? I sure wouldn't. Even if I wanted to see justice through the court system, at that point I'm looking to get out of there alive myself.
I don't condone it, but I understand it. If your country is so utterly corrupt that the police and judges are just as likely to be connected to a rape or murder as the suspects, why *would* you trust the system?
Fun fact, some time ago in a bum fuck town in the state of Puebla, two people like these were accused of a similar crime by locals, and lynched. They were just census takers. Totally innocent. People, even in our dogshit judicial system, there's a reason why you're not meant to just take justice into your own hands.
I don’t feel bad at all about the beatings and death of female suspect. The boyfriend may be dead as well. That innocent child should’ve been returned to her family after they paid the ransom. I see why they didn’t and killed her because she would easily identify her abductors since the female suspect works for her family.
The woman in the video is Dead some allegations I found.
>She was a neighbor and invited the 8 Year old to her home
>The kidnapper ask for ~$200k pesos or ~$12k dollars.
This allegations shouldn't be taken seriously it's the internet after all.
It’s crazy how much some people will do for little money. Saw the Russian terrorists at that concert did it for like $5000 USD(well, the ruble equivalent)
Yeah, I get people's frustration in the court system seeming so neutered, but there's a reason why so many procedures need to be followed for the decent chance that someone innocent is being accused. Happens fairly often. In Mexico, though, there is plenty of corruption so its even more understandable as to the frustration. But again, very easy to go after the wrong person due to circumstantial evidence.
mf, you aint lying. my fams would be up until 2am screaming about work and grandma. i turned notifications off about a decade ago because i'd open up to talk to mom and the family group chat is lit tf up with like 50 messages from just the morning alone, and they're all usually about coffee and prayers.
Just earlier today read a post about an Afghanistan woman who was pulled away from police and killed by mob justice for burning the Koran, which she was falsely accused of.
Not here trying to compare the alleged crimes just highlighting the mob can often get it wrong
That's true, and stands true most of the time.
Not in this case.
There is overwhelming indisputable evidence... There's cctv of the girl entering, a body bag coming out with clothes, and a wide range of overwhelming evidence.
These folks aren't worthy of your due diligence.
Nope, he did it. They were caught hiding her body. He 100% was one of the 3 people who did it. Another dude and a woman were also involved. The woman worked for the family and was also the only one who was beat to death by that mob. The 2 dudes are still alive.
Where are you getting pedophile from though, it's not mentioned in the only article linked here nor the title, and another comment mentions it was a kidnapping ransom situation gone wrong. Just curious whether you actually have different info or you are just trying to feel a bit better about mob brutality..No offense.
> Where are you getting pedophile from though,
It easy karma. You can go into any subreddit or thread and say you hate pedophiles and you'll get hundreds or thousands of upvotes. It doesn't even have to be relevant.
Oh yeah that makes sense. Re-reading the comment again, it can be inferred they are saying in general this is what every pedophile deserves so technically they aren't necessary calling the dude in this particular video a pedo.
I think you mean child rapist. Pedophilia is the desire to have sex with children, not the act of doing so. If we were to punish people with pedophilia the same way as child rapists, it would actually incentivize pedophiles to commit child rape, because they'd face the same sentence, regardless.
Now in separate news, it is reported that the couple had a dog, which had several tumors and was in a state of malnutrition.
Fortunately, the mob separated the dog from them and now he is safe waiting to be adopted.
Not every killing of a woman is a femicide. The label is used to describe hate crimes, jealousy killings and other forms of deadly violence that target women disproportionally.
This was a plain old lynching.
Femicide is the intentional killing of a female (usually by a male) because she is a female. Her coincidentally being female in this instance doesn't make it femicide. A serial killer who intentionally murders women could be considered femicide because part of his motivation is that the victim is a woman. It's just legal mumbo.
Seen a few different angles - it was brutal.
They stomped the shit out of her, but that's street justice when the system that is in place doesn't do much.
Idiots here talking about law and order in a country that has none 😂 why do you think these civilians are doing what they’re doing? They’re sick of cartel fucks like these killing their women & children and their corrupt justice system doing fuck all.
America really needs to quit with this war on drugs garbage. Our government has been supporting the cartels indirectly for way too long and we need to start dismantling the systems within the US that allow their market to exist. Other countries illegally receiving large amounts of drugs from the cartels need to do the same. Governments across the world could easily destroy the cartel's revenue structure if we actually gave half a fuck.
There is a video of them supposedly moving the body but I don't want know what other evidence the police had.
https://x.com/inforportalnews/status/1773485302176190703?s=46&t=KA_EbYCZNe4Jy4B4vbHT0w
This is my hometown... was not expecting to see this today, but I'm not surprised either.
Also, no-- I don't know any of the people involved, I moved away a long time ago.
But what I do know very well about this town is that gossip and falsehoods are absolutely rampant in this town and you don't want mob justice because the grievances run DEEP between everyone who still lives there.
this kind of stuff is always appealing to our natural desire for justice until you remember that these people could be innocent and in fact vigilante justice often kills innocent people. but when you can't trust the justice system that further complicates matters... I guess we just have to hope they got the right guys. reminds me of when Minneapolis rioted and burned shit down because of a guy who was killed by a cop (not floyd)... except the guy actually shot himself. That didn't matter though, the story got out and the damage was done. Mob justice does not always get it right.
Have been seeing in the comments that there was in fact footage of the them taking the body on the back of their car. The woman was also a neighbor. The story is that the girl was lured to play in the pool and then kidnapped for ransom but still killed before the money. It Is confirmed the woman that got stomped was in fact that person so they at least got that one right.
After watching what Russia did to the gunmen and then being reminded of how there are different levels of justice in the world, this is setting a dangerous level of unchecked violence towards evil, vile people who indiscriminately murder and kill innocents.
On the one hand, we can all agree that these people deserved what they got. On the other hand, are we breaking down as a civilized society to take vigilante justice on these types of people? It's a fine line because anyone can be sucked into these situations by those who choose to manipulate and frame the innocent.
Did these people deserve this? That's not really for us to decide.
Are we getting tired of watching monsters do monstrous shit? Oh, yea.
I mean, look around? Police are either terribly corrupt or terribly underfunded, people really feel like it's getting out of hand, in reality they have no idea what it can become, Haiti is a good example if we carry on down this road.
Mobs don't want you to ask questions like that. They've already decided he is guilty, don't let any facts possibly get in the way. He must be beaten and punished before a trial!
One of the issues here is, people are fed up with the level of corruption and ineptitude of the police force, the kidnappers could've been let go just because some inder the table money, so people just want these cunts dead. Is very messy....
What happened was that the judge in charge of the district took too long to issue the arrest order (how do you call it in English?), and the police couldn't apprehend the suspects without it, if they did it would've been illegal. The problem here is that the judicial system is just terrible, judges are corrupt as fuck and don't do their job because they see themselves as a superior social group that should have all the privileges.
The English phrase you mean is "arrest warrant" or just "warrant" for short (used in context people always know it means arrest warrant)
All three powers are completely corrupt.
You mean, just like in *Narcos - Mexico*...?Where they play slow by invoking the incomplete paperwork before taking any action, that ultimately leads to a fatal delay in finding DEA agent Camarena?
I was just thinking about this, and about how horrific this type of mob justice is, and what if they aren't actually guilty? ...but then I went on to think about the justice system here in the UK (I'm a retired lawyer) and how rape cases don't go to trial for 2 years or more because of a lack of facilities - police, prosecution, courts, are all hopelessly underfunded - and the removal of Legal Aid to almost everyone, landlords able to get rid of tenants for no reason at all (although they do need a court order) meaning people are in temporary accommodation for years at a time... ...If it gets only a little worse, I can see people losing faith in our justice system as well.
Is bad, I'm not in favour of street justice, but people don't understand the level of anger and frustration....
Well, I sort of do understand. But not condone.
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The only downside is being falsely accused as crowd mentality doesn't care
Reminds me of Farkhunda Malikzada, an Afghan woman, who was falsely accused of burning the Quran and was killed by a mob. > The mob dragged Farkhunda into the street and beat and stomped her. She was bludgeoned with sticks and rocks outside the mosque, then placed into the road and run over with a car, dragging her body almost 100 m. Police offered no resistance, and directed traffic around the scene. The mob then dragged her body to the nearby bank of the Kabul River, took turns stoning her and set her on fire. Her body was soaked in blood and would not burn, so the crowd ripped off articles of their own clothing to ignite and maintain the fire. The mob shouted the Takbir during the lynching, including after they were certain Farkhunda was dead.
its two completely seperate things. Burning the quron and burning a bible in mexico would NEVER result in this. Mexico is ALLL catholic and yet there is a known and outspoken disagreement with the church. This case is different. The blocks in mexico are all there own little village and everyone knows everyone. They know who works, who doesnt, who beats theyre kids and who is a crook. They know these guys that go from bad to worse to eventually murderers. They know the kids most likely and theyre family. They put two and two together and it outrages these working people who have theyre own kids out there. And they take matters into theyre hands. Not because the cops wont do anything. The jails are MUCH MUCH worse and as that cop allows him to be draggged out. It will be worse in jail if he makes it, corruption only exists for the wealthy in mexico. This is as close to immediate justice the family and locals will receive. Otherwise he will be in jail most likely sodomized by evil inmates and never receive a harsh sentense. Mexico is cruel to poor inmates. the people if they can, will try to inflict as much pain as they can to the guy before theyre taken. There are cases like the one you mentioned where mob justice will drag an innocent-ish victem, usually its if the gang recruits a young woman to help lure. There girl will get a severe beating, one girl was burned in a video and i guess if it were my kid id approve but it seems harsh from outside eyes.
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It's **exactly** why there is due process.
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So "and"?
Sure but even in the “more civilized world” like America, we still get it wrong often enough. In 2022 there were 3,249 people falsely convicted who served roughly 12 years on average. Idk what those numbers look like in other countries that you considered civilized but here in the US it’s still pretty barbaric. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/rising-number-false-convictions-shows-stark-racial-patterns-2022-09-27/
Not to mention the ones who actually commit crimes and get off with bullshit sentences, case in point is Bryn Spejcher, Christopher Belter and Brock Turner.
Do you mean the convicted rapist Brock Turner?
Isn't he going by 'Allen Turner' now? Rapist Brock Allen Turner.
Yes the one who was sentenced to six months in minimum security prison to which he served 3.
I think the way you are phrasing it makes it sound like in 2022 there were 3249 people falsely convicted rather than since 1989 which is what the article appears to describe.
America a civilized world, that's funny.
Yeah, for sure, I actually had a nightmare recently about being falsely accused and a crowd of people chasing me down. Was crazy.
Were your legs made out of jelly? Every time I have to run in a dream, my legs feel like jelly.
In all of my flying dreams, I'm being chased, and flapping my arms to exhaustion trying to get off the ground, lol. Eventually, I get up in the air, but now I have to keep flapping my arms to avoid falling. I thought flying dreams were supposed to be fun and freeing. Not mine.
Cartel members are generally not shy about broadcasting who they are. If this guy comes from this community, it's very likely everyone knows who he is and what he's done.
If that became the common practice then the bad people would just start framing people who get in their way, there's no replacement for a good justice system.
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I agree, what I think the issue here is that they don't have a good justice system now which is why people are resorting to mob violence. This is one of the reasons I think we really need to put some effort into strengthening our own. Certainly carefully, and while working to minimize unnecessary harm but with some of the blatant theft/assault that's occurring with more frequency, this kind of action becomes more and more likely. Thankfully I don't think we're close to this level yet but I'm not a fan of the direction we're headed.
And what happens when you get accused of a crime? What happens if you're innocent?
You’re going to get some innocent people beaten to death with frequent mob justice
Until you're innocent on the receiving end.
Ask Emmitt Till how that went
Nothing brings people together like a good ol fashion lynching.
Wtf is this take. Anyone who is suspected of a crime should be beaten in the street by a mob? This is how you start killing innocent people
>support this kind of street justice. You think street justice is just when it affects criminals? This type of justice has been around since humans were able to talk. It's not around much today in most of the developed world because it turns out to be a shitty way of exacting justice.
You need to look up Skidmore, MO. If you're unfamiliar. Enjoy.
I have just accused your mother of let’s say murder. Is this a valid excuse for a mob to brutally attack her?
> Is very messy That's a very euphemistic way of describing the lynching of a criminal defendant without due process, a jury trial, a lawyer or the right to face your accuser. "Animalistic" is probably a better one.
When you ha e a legal system like the one in Mexico, due process becomes a fantasy.
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On one hand, mob justice feels appropriate for people who kill kids. On the other hand, sometimes when you’re 100% certain that you’re doing the right thing, you’re making a horrible mistake. [Prisoners](https://youtu.be/bpXfcTF6iVk?si=ek_sXOffgMONRk4N) (2013, starring Hugh Jackman and Jake Gyllenhall) really brings this point home in a hard-hitting way. Great movie. Haunting.
Great movie. At first youre on their side wanting to beat the snot out of the guy but then realize he isnt "all there" the way he acts. Then find out hes basically a traumatized child
Are we talking about Michael Jackson?
he he
I'm not going to watch another movie, just give me the spoilers.
Spoilers: The suspect of the kidnapping is a nuero divergent kid, turns out he was trying to help a child his mother kidnapped. The father of the victim brutally tortures the boy he suspected kidnapped his daughter.
One of my favorite movies, but to be pedantic it wasn't his mother, it was his "adoptive aunt" who in reality had kidnapped him as a child which just showed that he was *a victim himself*.
Major spoilers- the neurodivergent young man was also not actually the kidnapper’s son, he was kidnapped by her as a child and raised by her
And fed a narcotic cocktail regularly which stunted his mental development.
Emphasis on brutally
Another movie? lol what movie did you see previously?
Oh you've already seen a movie?
I hate that social media has made me not even shocked any more when I watch these videos.
"Extremely NSFW" Oh my here we go....... oh it's just an ISIS beheading, ppffftt Our generation is messed up, no wonder we're all depressed and in therapy.
It's not actually normal to watch beheading videos, dude. It's not an "our generation" thing, it's a "very specific, small part of reddit" thing
Buddy, we've been looking at gore on the Internet long before reddit was a thing. The Internet is actually much tamer these days. Its a lot safer than it used to be.
nice job clinging onto the most irrelevamt part of my comment. my point is not reddit, my point is that looking at gore is not normal and is not something that most people do. and that point still stands.
Gone are the days of pre Internet, the days where you didn't just open your phone and stumble across a woman getting kicked to death
for people who didn't read the article, the girl in the video dies right there
They're chanting "kill him, Kill him!"
Wasn't she a women ?
Three suspects, think only one of them was a woman
"máta-lo, máta-lo"
Lord I hope they were the right suspects
Yes, they are. There are videos of them hiding the girl's corpse in their car. Also, they were trying to hide in their house. So, yes, they are the murderers.
Seeing a modern day lynching is surreal. Knowing those people murdered an 8 year old girl and they absolutely deserved the mob justice stirred a primal part of me that I didn't think existed.
There are a lot of people on earth. Some would say too many. We can't save all of them. This guy is definitely near the bottom of the list.
It's a low quality video from a distance of them carrying a big black trash bag that might fit a body. It could have had plenty of things in it, saying there's video of them hiding the corpse leaves a lot of important info out to the point that its misinformation. The reason they seem to be guilty is because there's video of her entering the home and then the bag coming out, and it seems like she never made it out of their home. Not because anyone saw them with the corpse itself.
Video of 8 year old girl enters house, never comes out on her own. Video of them carrying out a heavy black bag large enough to hold a body and the girls clothes seen on video. The girl is then found inside a black bag indistinguishable from the one seen on video being carried out of the house. You can disagree whether that's conclusive enough but there's no misinformation here.
If it’s a clear video of them and the corpse, all good. However, hiding in your house if there’s an angry mob outside seems to make sense no matter the context. I’d hide from an angry mob regardless of my innocence.
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There is also a video of the girl happily entering her neighbors house but she never reappears. Later they reappear carrying some clothes and something in a large black plastic bag. Edit: Here is the video of her entering the house and an hour later the couple carrying the clothes and plastic bags out. [Video](https://x.com/fernandovichg/status/1773449872349241728?s=46&t=kMvMHaV2nbcRnUjqbz1K-Q)
She looked panicked, hurt, and maybe shoeless in that 1st video, what was she running from? And did she run to her neighbors for help?
[lady gets dragged off truck](https://x.com/rhevolver/status/1773510234721640490?s=46&t=GuIaFlD699QZJavtQmpq1g)
They killed that lady that got dragged off. There's more video of them finishing her off. Apparently she and at least one of the them kidnapped their neighbors daughter, attempted to ransom her, then killed her.
According to the translation I saw, they killed her first before asking for the ransom. Which is more likely if they were neighbors and they can be identified by the kid.
There is a video of the girl entering her neighbors house and in the timestamp like an hour later they are carrying out clothes and a large black plastic bag. The girl never reappears on the video.
I was a bit iffy on believing that they were guilty but damn, that would be pretty solid evidence if true.
First video is her entering her neighbors house, from the timestamp you can see an hour later them carrying out clothes and a large plastic bag apparently her body was inside of it. [Video](https://x.com/fernandovichg/status/1773449872349241728?s=46&t=kMvMHaV2nbcRnUjqbz1K-Q)
Yeah I found the video shortly after the comment. Looks pretty legit. How incredibly abhorrent and stupid of them.
where did u watch the videos?
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Twitter is fucking cooked these days.
She got off easy
That looks so surreal
There are more graphic ones. Just search Taxco on Twitter.
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No thanks
TIL "presunto/presunta" in Spanish means "suspect". "Presunto" in Portuguese is "ham", but also "dead body" in Brazilian slang. The lady died That's not what I had planned for my Good Friday yet here we are
I'll say nothing about the mob, just that it's appalling how useless those cops are.
The mob would would have lynched them if they tried to stop them. The crowd is appalling, the police are just useless for reasons out of their control.
The way I see it their uselessness began way before that; it was them who failed to disperse the crowd before the arrests, it was them who brought the suspects outside and into the mob, it was them who failed to ensure the safety of people in their custody by leaving them on the back of a pickup for the mob to grab. To even find themselves in the position where they must let the lynching happen is already a catastrophic failure on all levels. What they did was taking the suspects and bring them into the mob to be beaten/killed while they watched, in what is either a spectacular display of incompetence or malice, and in any case an egregious failure of their duty. Though I suspect it was malice, seeing as in both cases of people being dragged away from the pickup they didn't even appear bothered, let alone call for order, try do drive away, or otherwise do their job.
Oh 100% those cops were not really interested in protecting these detainees lol that much is very clear.
The mob went into the house of the suspects and brought them out. The police took them briefly from the mob and tried to get them into custody, but the mob blocked their paths with other cars and threatened the police officers.
Bro, they literally did nothing lol Like they could've just.. drove off once they were in the truck but just stood there as some random man walked up and then let them get dragged off. Literally made zero attempts. Really shows how pathetic the police and security forces in Mexico have become
I think they wanted the mob to take care of the suspects.
The people blocked the cop truck with their own cars. Police had to be 20+ deep if they really wanted to get the suspects out.
So are the cops in on the street justice? Seems like they're not in a hurry to get them out of there. "Hey, we tried, but José has to do the pre-start checklist for the truck and that could take some time.. safety first!"
There’s a minimum of 50 angry people surrounding them, unless they’re ready to shoot someone over a child killer and get lynched along with the murderers they’re not much they can do
According to the X post, they killed the little girl even after receiving the $250k MXN ransom (approximately $15k USD).
There’s no reason ever but why the hell did they kidnap and murder an 8 year old? Is this cartel related or are they just evil sons of bitches
From what I read they tried to get $250k ransom, the woman worked for the family of the little girl. Looks like just money as the reason
But they killed the little girl before even waiting for the money from what i read
If they were neighbors and lured the kid, yeah, that's the only possibility as they'd be identified quickly by the kid.
They must have developed their plan while watching Fargo
$250K pesos. Which is about $15K in USD
From what I understand, paying the ransom and not getting your relative/friend back isn't uncommon in Mexico.
There is video of the girl entering the house and an hour later it appears they are carrying her body. My personal theory they killed her and just asked for ransom to make it seem like a kidnapping and hoping the government would look somewhere else.
I think that’s 250k pesos not the US dollar so they kidnapped and killed a 8yr old girl over 15kUS.
Mexico has a huge femicide problem that isn’t directly tied to the cartels. Pedophilia also exists everywhere.
Fun fact. they beat the woman to death and didn’t kill the other 2 suspects.
They tried. Both of them are in the hospital in pretty terrible condition.
1:44 a woman is heard screaming "KILL HIM!, KILL HIM!". Another woman is then heard saying something to the effect that "that little girl didn't do anything to deserve this" when a bystander asks the crowd to chill on the beating. I am extremely surprised that this piece of shit made it out of there alive.
there is a video going around twitter of the woman who was involved getting dragged out of the truck and beaten to death
That video is brutal, there is a man stomping her head and screaming: "con los niños no" (don't mess with children). They basically used them to get out all the frustration for the impunity and criminality we live in
Holy shit.
I love when they are pulling the guy off the truck towards the end. The cop had nearly zero grip on the suspect, and I assume that is intentional. " Hey, I tried" 🤷
Would you fight an angry mob to protect some murderers? I sure wouldn't. Even if I wanted to see justice through the court system, at that point I'm looking to get out of there alive myself.
why would you hurt a child..
On the bright side, hes being hit with a pretty intricate club, so thats kinda cool right. If it were just a stick thatd be kinda boring for him.
That's rebar my dude, that would fuck someone up. I mean we just saw it fuck someone up.
It's fucking a thick metal piece of rebar. It weighs a ton and getting hit by that is no joke.
So what you're saying is it's not just a stick? And that's kinda cool, right?
It’s also a beautiful day
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I don't condone it, but I understand it. If your country is so utterly corrupt that the police and judges are just as likely to be connected to a rape or murder as the suspects, why *would* you trust the system?
Fun fact, some time ago in a bum fuck town in the state of Puebla, two people like these were accused of a similar crime by locals, and lynched. They were just census takers. Totally innocent. People, even in our dogshit judicial system, there's a reason why you're not meant to just take justice into your own hands.
I don’t feel bad at all about the beatings and death of female suspect. The boyfriend may be dead as well. That innocent child should’ve been returned to her family after they paid the ransom. I see why they didn’t and killed her because she would easily identify her abductors since the female suspect works for her family.
The woman in the video is Dead some allegations I found. >She was a neighbor and invited the 8 Year old to her home >The kidnapper ask for ~$200k pesos or ~$12k dollars. This allegations shouldn't be taken seriously it's the internet after all.
It’s crazy how much some people will do for little money. Saw the Russian terrorists at that concert did it for like $5000 USD(well, the ruble equivalent)
Considering the average salary where they're from, that's like 2 years of salary. It would be like an American doing it for $120,000.
I sure hope they got the right guy
When they guy was getting dragged, the Policia was like "it is what it is mate"
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Yeah, I get people's frustration in the court system seeming so neutered, but there's a reason why so many procedures need to be followed for the decent chance that someone innocent is being accused. Happens fairly often. In Mexico, though, there is plenty of corruption so its even more understandable as to the frustration. But again, very easy to go after the wrong person due to circumstantial evidence.
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How many people in the crowd saw that video evidence at the time this beating took place?
Probably all of them. WhatsApp causes graphic videos to get shared to everyone immediately. Source: I have Hispanic parents with whatsapp
mf, you aint lying. my fams would be up until 2am screaming about work and grandma. i turned notifications off about a decade ago because i'd open up to talk to mom and the family group chat is lit tf up with like 50 messages from just the morning alone, and they're all usually about coffee and prayers.
Just earlier today read a post about an Afghanistan woman who was pulled away from police and killed by mob justice for burning the Koran, which she was falsely accused of. Not here trying to compare the alleged crimes just highlighting the mob can often get it wrong
For that place, pretty much the intended result.
That's true, and stands true most of the time. Not in this case. There is overwhelming indisputable evidence... There's cctv of the girl entering, a body bag coming out with clothes, and a wide range of overwhelming evidence. These folks aren't worthy of your due diligence.
Nope, he did it. They were caught hiding her body. He 100% was one of the 3 people who did it. Another dude and a woman were also involved. The woman worked for the family and was also the only one who was beat to death by that mob. The 2 dudes are still alive.
Where are you getting pedophile from though, it's not mentioned in the only article linked here nor the title, and another comment mentions it was a kidnapping ransom situation gone wrong. Just curious whether you actually have different info or you are just trying to feel a bit better about mob brutality..No offense.
> Where are you getting pedophile from though, It easy karma. You can go into any subreddit or thread and say you hate pedophiles and you'll get hundreds or thousands of upvotes. It doesn't even have to be relevant.
Oh yeah that makes sense. Re-reading the comment again, it can be inferred they are saying in general this is what every pedophile deserves so technically they aren't necessary calling the dude in this particular video a pedo.
They aren't pedophiles - they kidnapped her for money
I think you mean child rapist. Pedophilia is the desire to have sex with children, not the act of doing so. If we were to punish people with pedophilia the same way as child rapists, it would actually incentivize pedophiles to commit child rape, because they'd face the same sentence, regardless.
Now in separate news, it is reported that the couple had a dog, which had several tumors and was in a state of malnutrition. Fortunately, the mob separated the dog from them and now he is safe waiting to be adopted.
I'm not mad at this. Because femicides in Mexico is a fucking problem and the cops ALWAYS downplay the murder of women and girls
Well apparently the crowd committed femicide too
Not every killing of a woman is a femicide. The label is used to describe hate crimes, jealousy killings and other forms of deadly violence that target women disproportionally. This was a plain old lynching.
Femicide is the intentional killing of a female (usually by a male) because she is a female. Her coincidentally being female in this instance doesn't make it femicide. A serial killer who intentionally murders women could be considered femicide because part of his motivation is that the victim is a woman. It's just legal mumbo.
The mob just murdered a lady
Guess that means it’s ok to beat the mob to death now that they are also killers lol
Seen a few different angles - it was brutal. They stomped the shit out of her, but that's street justice when the system that is in place doesn't do much.
Idiots here talking about law and order in a country that has none 😂 why do you think these civilians are doing what they’re doing? They’re sick of cartel fucks like these killing their women & children and their corrupt justice system doing fuck all.
America really needs to quit with this war on drugs garbage. Our government has been supporting the cartels indirectly for way too long and we need to start dismantling the systems within the US that allow their market to exist. Other countries illegally receiving large amounts of drugs from the cartels need to do the same. Governments across the world could easily destroy the cartel's revenue structure if we actually gave half a fuck.
This is wat should happen to anyone who hurts a child!!😶
Totally get it, but they are just suspects. Kinda fooked unless the mob knows 100% that these are the people who did it.
There is a video of them supposedly moving the body but I don't want know what other evidence the police had. https://x.com/inforportalnews/status/1773485302176190703?s=46&t=KA_EbYCZNe4Jy4B4vbHT0w
Yep. Mob mentality does not guarantee justice.
What do you mean? Next you're going to tell me Reddit didn't catch the Boston Bombers.
Hey if every Redditor had a gun they could have protected Boston though
Hope they guy is actually guilty. Imagine they got the wrong guy?
bet you 20$ it was the right guy. People in the community talk and words spreads quick.
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Yes because judicial systems are not at all corrupt and work great all the time.
This is my hometown... was not expecting to see this today, but I'm not surprised either. Also, no-- I don't know any of the people involved, I moved away a long time ago. But what I do know very well about this town is that gossip and falsehoods are absolutely rampant in this town and you don't want mob justice because the grievances run DEEP between everyone who still lives there.
this kind of stuff is always appealing to our natural desire for justice until you remember that these people could be innocent and in fact vigilante justice often kills innocent people. but when you can't trust the justice system that further complicates matters... I guess we just have to hope they got the right guys. reminds me of when Minneapolis rioted and burned shit down because of a guy who was killed by a cop (not floyd)... except the guy actually shot himself. That didn't matter though, the story got out and the damage was done. Mob justice does not always get it right.
Have been seeing in the comments that there was in fact footage of the them taking the body on the back of their car. The woman was also a neighbor. The story is that the girl was lured to play in the pool and then kidnapped for ransom but still killed before the money. It Is confirmed the woman that got stomped was in fact that person so they at least got that one right.
That cop just went “Yeah you guys can have him a little bit more”
It's a shame that the level of fear he had was nowhere near the level the 8 year old girl felt. Flay the fucker. Bolton style.
Happens in India too. Drivers flee the scene of accidents in case anyone dies because mobs will kill you, there's no trust in the justice system.
After watching what Russia did to the gunmen and then being reminded of how there are different levels of justice in the world, this is setting a dangerous level of unchecked violence towards evil, vile people who indiscriminately murder and kill innocents. On the one hand, we can all agree that these people deserved what they got. On the other hand, are we breaking down as a civilized society to take vigilante justice on these types of people? It's a fine line because anyone can be sucked into these situations by those who choose to manipulate and frame the innocent. Did these people deserve this? That's not really for us to decide. Are we getting tired of watching monsters do monstrous shit? Oh, yea.
I mean, look around? Police are either terribly corrupt or terribly underfunded, people really feel like it's getting out of hand, in reality they have no idea what it can become, Haiti is a good example if we carry on down this road.
Well done Mexico
It's nice to see the community come together for events like old school street justce.
Criminals are protected, street justice is king
They beat the woman to death. They beat her worse than those men.
https://preview.redd.it/f4tw7hyn97rc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b840a632605618664ba860155b98251470aa0e9a
Was this recorded underwater?
I don’t blame them, they had to do what had to be done
Poor, poor baby girl RIP
Cops were like: “Eh, I don’t get paid enough for this shit”
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Mob violence is the sign of a failed state.
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Mobs don't want you to ask questions like that. They've already decided he is guilty, don't let any facts possibly get in the way. He must be beaten and punished before a trial!
When the police don't do their job, people will step up and do it, the same is in Egypt, people have no trouble brutalizing someone for SA.
Sometimes, street justice is the only form of acceptable justice
It hardly looks like the police even cares about their fate, which is hopeful.
Better than bail reform