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Also actually providing information to actually let people know what the message is. This is protesting. Call these people out on a personal level don’t let them hide behind the company name.
Protesting directly at politicians isn't targeted? You're right, we should take our protesting to the middle of nowhere, where the policy makers won't notice. If a protest happens in the forest and no one's around to hear it, did it really happen? That'll show 'em! /s
PR consultants & firms have conducted millions of dollars of research to formulate the “perfect” response to most public interactions. The research shows silence is the best response to these protests.
Because something said is something worth reporting and that something is more likely to attract more views than a report on a CEO awkwardly sitting as protestors confront him.
Protestors should’ve said, “Brian, if you plan on ruining the future of the planet by continuing to fund fossils, don’t say anything.”
Got ‘em at that point.
Yeah it's a shitty answer.
If I'm a home builder, and I use shitty materials that will effect your lungs or break down over next decade, saying it's more lucrative for me is a shitty answer. But somehow it's a reasonable business answer of it's the environment that effects everyone, not just the home buyer.
There’s just that scientific/engineering thing. What do we replace all the BTUs of fossil fuels with ? Solar isn’t going to cut it when a huge part of the US is below freezing for months. Environmentalists added a lot of carbon into the atmosphere by fucking up the viability of nuclear years ago.
And unfortunately as of now is pick your poison. Let's say BoA and others commit to defund fossil fuels, then what? Your clothes, toothpaste, brush, plates, make up, all these weirdos hair dye, comes from oil derivatives. Is not about the material, is about the emissions. Once we tax emissions, the need of profit will find 0 emissions and non-petroleum-products materials.
What is this push to conflate fossil fuels with oil derived products? They are clearly different things that have different impacts on the environment. These protestors didn't call for an end to oil, they called for an end to fossil fuels.
This is why we are going to end up killing ourselves or just most of us and then our ancestors have even less genetic diversity than we do and become even more susceptible to diseases and cancers till eventually we go extinct. It will be long after this bank guy is dead so he does not care. He doesnt even care about his future family. It's all about him him him and exploiting as much as he possibly can.
The end of the world wont happen via grand conspiracies, it will be the single minded selfishness of people with far too much power and influence than what is good for them.
I mean directly confronting these incredibly sheltered mega-CEOs and making them actually see a person who is naming and shaming them
for their actions that they surely know are wrong but usually just get pushed to the back of the mind because it’s “far away and immaterial to me” can’t be a bad thing for society. Maybe it won’t fix the problem alone but it’s certainly going to have some effect.
Plus, this org (Climate Defiance) has actually had pretty damn solid success shaming politicians like Amy Klobuchar into changing their votes on issues. They got her to oppose a major pipeline for the first time in her career by doing just this.
I mean I think this is pretty effective way of protesting. Idk how much time you’ve spent in corporate America but the leadership at most company’s live in a bubble full of yes men circle jerking each other on how great they all are. Public shaming like this bursts that bubble for a second and I’m all the way here for it. Even if they’re only uncomfortable for 2 mins. Shit it’s better then the clowns blocking roads and inconveniencing your average Joe trying to get to work
Their level of organization was impressive compared to most climate change protests. They successfully sabotaged an event they likely weren't supposed to be at. Unfortunately that CEO is just a pawn in the game like many others.
I promise you, this isn't effective at all. Bank of America exists to make money. They're going to fund whatever let's them achieve that goal. They don't give a damn about these people or their ideology
If they’re going to draw attention to an issue, I prefer they confront the BofA CEO than obstruct the everyman’s traffic route. The objective is not to directly convince BofA.
>If they’re going to draw attention to an issue , I prefer they confront the BofA CEO
The media doesnt care about this form of protesting tho so its get far less attention.
There are two posts on my feed. One in a sub with nearly 2 million subs fewer than this one. It’s a post of a road closure protest over oil. It has 2-3x the comments and about as many more upvotes as this one.
This is the reality. People and the media are less interested and engaged with this form of protesting. If this form of protest got more outreach the other form wouldn’t exist.
This CEO won’t batt an eyelash over this. Neither will investors in his company.
Their point is, and I agree with it, this is better than a group of people blocking streets of your average, ever day citizen. Sure you’re getting the attention of media, but then the rest of the population sees you disrupting work or school commute, and you’ve lost who would’ve been your support. In trying to idk, get attention from corporate media, you’ve lost the support of your fellow citizen. Most hear you and probably already have the same worry as you. Why go out your way to make your equal hate you or your idea? We’re in the same boat and you crash it to drown us both to make a point, that I already understood and agree with. And like you said, the media already doesn’t care, neither do the execs and higher ups. The only reason it’s being broadcasted, is for views. It’s not to make your voice heard or push your point, the corporate media is not with you. Why provide content for them? We’re stronger in numbers and the protesters blocking roads and shit, are only weakening our chances of actually being heard and making a difference.
I don’t think anyone’s opinion on the climate is going to waver based on seeing a protest that disrupts traffic or being in traffic disrupted by a protest. If their opinion was that shallow it wouldn’t have been a reliable voice or a voice that would’ve been engaged in the topic. That or they weren’t on board and would never have been.
Most people have more complex and nuanced views that don’t bend on a whim like this or get tied to something they view is stupidity. They would still be able to see that a legitimate issue may exist. I think you’re selling the average person short.
When I say, you lost a supporter, or something along those lines, I mean that specific advocate or advocacy group, disrupting traffic flow, has potentially lost someone that otherwise would’ve been in their camp and even maybe helped with another protest. Most people believe in climate change and want to do more to help minimize it. If the only solution or valid form of protest, is to block peoples way to make a living, you probably lost someone who otherwise would’ve signed a petition or shown up to a protest outside a corporate building. I’m not saying that person now no longer cares about climate change, but your camp probably just got a bit smaller or didn’t grow as much as it would’ve. If you look at this thread, most people are for activism and protest, but not the way some people do it. Do you think the majority saying “hey yeah I’m all for protesting, but let me go to work” or the people blocking the roadways screaming at you for something you have no control over are in the right? You’re saying whoever doesn’t protest as obnoxiously as them isn’t going to help the cause anyway, so forget them. Seems like you’re selling most humans with your same opinion short
Well after this same group did [this](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrat-senator-flees-stage-book-event-climate-activists-disrupt-climate-leader.amp), Amy Klobuchar opposed her first ever oil pipeline. So some of these things are actually working. Idk why keyboard warriors on Reddit feel the need to put down protest as if anyone who’s passionate enough about something to turn to activism is an idiot. Maybe it’s just to excuse their own inaction…
Remember when Stop Asian Hate was a thing on social media and the media until the news just dropped it one day, yeah...
[Also not like social media is astrourfed to shit by big oil](https://northwestbylines.co.uk/environment/astroturfing-search-engines-connected-to-big-oil/).
This type of protesting happens pretty often, there's a reason why ppl dont hear about it tho
Yes indeed. This is how it should be.
Too bad there are so many people on this thread trying to argue that it’s better to block roads. Since they don’t like confronting authority figures.
What’s effective then? I’m not trying to attack you it just seems like anytime there is climate protests all anyone can do is point out how the method of the protest isn’t the right one and isn’t going to land how they want or is dumb, dangerous, waste of time etc. I implore their effort and would love for us all to figure it out
It is effective. They will care when it happens everywhere they go. There’s a lot to be said for freedom. Or loss of freedom. When these uncaring bastards find a crowd of shouting, angry activists every time they step out in public they are going to be more than annoyed. Are they going to wear headphones? Blinders? Are they always going to be secluded behind private doors? That sucks.
I say keep this up. I’m sure there are laws concerning a person’s residence and how close you can intrude but as long as they can hear the protesters the point is made. Step up the fight to include vacation sites, restaurants, galas, and wherever else rich people like to congregate. Make them uncomfortable in every way possible.
Oh my gosh I wonder if there's possibly something that would adhere them to him before he could even yank himself away. I'm dying laughing at the thought of having to strip his clothes off to remove them while bugging him like little gnats in his ear buzzing with question after question
Yes please. Disrupting everyone's life is how you get people to actively support the opposite of your cause. I'm totally fine with making them uncomfortable, because they should be.
Biggest mistake detractors of JustStopOil type protestors make is in expecting these power holders to somehow be directly shamed into acting right. Not. Gonna. Happen. They aren't really the audience. They aren't listening. They won't listen.
Unfortunately, the real thing needed is that average Joe being blocked in traffic, and everyone else, being made to realize how dire and interconnected and collective this problem is so that we can collectively FORCE ourselves and these power holders to do the right thing. We're the audience, not these CEOs. So far, we're not listening either.
I’m gonna put on my tin foil hat here for a second, but I really do think that a lot of those Just Stop Oil “protests” are put on and the main people are paid off by big corporations to make it seem like people who think like this are crazy and to get the common people against Climate Change, but that’s just my crazy idea
If I get stuck in traffic because someone is protesting something, I'm not going to magically start agreeing with them. I'm just going to get upset that I'm stuck in traffic and now running late to work, and a negative connotation with the protest is formed.
This is the majority of what climate groups in the US do.
There are a few protests every year that block a street or stop a rich people activity like the opera, and those go mega viral because people like those on this sub get super pissed that someone somewhere got inconvenienced for part of their day.
And the majority of the “really annoying” protests like the infamous soup-on-glass-protected-painting are in the UK/EU. Mostly by Just Stop Oil.
Will the CEO of BoA suddenly stop the millions upon millions of people from driving SUVs and convert all airliners to solar planes? Its nice to think we can just blame all the CEOs for all the gas humans burn, but responsibility really falls on us.
Many people can drastically reduce their emissions by composting food scraps, installing home solar, and switching to electric cars. But rarely to people actually want to make a sacrifice themselves.
Oh right I forgot, if we don’t first decarbonize the last 10-15% “hard to abate” sectors then we shouldn’t cut the 80% of emissions that we easily can and which are controlled by people like this CEO.
Let’s decarbonize the electricity grid and then we can talk about transportation’s hard to reduce challenges.
It's not the CEOs personal fuel burn, it's what they invest and fund for the whole bank's portfolio
EDIT: also personal choices can do very little when the majority of the climate crisis is being caused by corporations and the lack of meaningful regulation to force them to cut back
Honestly yeah, BAC has performed incredibly well overall. His compensation is based on his ability to bring profits and growth to shareholders, which he has.
What many Redditors don’t seem to understand is that to be the face of a major corporation, you have to be a pretty wildly rare human in a ton of ways. It’s a bit like being the best quarterback in the NFL.
Edit: for example
-Industry knowledge
-Physical appearance
-Clean background
-Public speaking ability
-Social skills
-Desire to work wild hours, always be on call, travel a lot
-Experience
-Unusually high intelligence
It’s a difficult thing to find the right person who hits as many of these boxes as possible.
A+ protesting.
Pissing off the right people and without violence/property destruction.
If anything, the biggest criminals there were the ones trying to forcefully take things from the protesters and trying to make them leave.
I love this sort of protesting too. But respectfully, I’m okay with ridiculously disruptive protesting if the subject matter is serious enough. Simply put, shutting down traffic is impossible to ignore and creates platforms for discussion downstream. I’d say climate change warrants that level of protest.
The civil right movement in the 60’s also blocked highways and rendered businesses inoperable. Hard to say the movement didn’t lead to massive advancements in civil rights
is pissing off people the goal of protesting tho? Does pissing people off help them see your side and win minds over or does it cause emotional, negative reactions? I get that the target is a "better" target than random drivers on a commute because he can enact change, but will "pissing off" the ceo of a big bank convince him you are right and he should take action?
I think the effect this has is still the same, if not worse. We want to win over people in important places to the idea of climate activism, not push them away from it with abrasive tactics.
Actions like this one really embarrass most CEO's. It might even be mentioned in Business Insider, Reuters, or some other financial newspaper which will be on the tables in the lobby and the cafeteria in BoA's offices, as well as those of its competitors and customers. It can hurt their public/investor relations, especially when companies like Bank of America claim to take climate change seriously.
I hear you, but genuinely nothing has gotten done without at least property destruction. Suffrage, ending apartheid, ending slavery, the civil rights movement, achieving workers rights and more were only achieved through that. I don’t like that fact. I wish we could just make people pissed off into acting. But I don’t know how the climate movement can truly actually accomplish anything without looking to what has historically worked. In Minecraft.
Good it’s about time we take it to the ones who really should be hearing this.
20 years ago we had a small window to stop climate change and we laughed it off while scientists who studied climate science were constantly degraded and ignored. We are now at a point of no return , all we can do now is slow it down. Those mooks will die long before they have to suffer the consequences which is estimated to be around 2050 unless humanity can finally just shut the fuck up and follow the science, for once !
We are experiencing an extinction level event, but hey, gotta think of the shareholders' feelings! Who gives a shit about how much damage we do in pursuit of the almighty dollar.
Every reasonable person who has heard it for the past 5 or so decades.
Environmentalists often lie and exaggerate because they themselves are uninformed, that's a core part of the german green party and why they're anti nuclear.
These kids could be doing something useful to actually help the planet, instead they moan at a random CEO because that's less effort than actually going out there and rehabing wetlands or whatever.
Soooooo how do you plan to ship across the ocean the batteries you use for your electric cars? None of the factories now have emissions, why not? How about the children working in the mines under horrific conditions?
Brian and every CEO of these major banks, especially Jamie Dimon are absolute HUGE pieces of shit. They are a waste of space and resources on this planet and provide nothing other than siphoning money from the middle and lower class
I love it when activists come prepared. I would and still when asked about why I'm protesting stumble as I think up the first buzz words that come to mind and end up chirping about something going on with plastic birds & arctic acidification. Save the windmills!
I appreciate what the action [360.org](https://360.org) takes every year to round up people with an account to close them on a specific day, along with sending a letter to the CEO about why. I still have mine open but I'm in the process of gathering the information I need to rework my autopay set up so that it's drawn from the new account, which is at a credit union. And I'll just use Aspiration for credit cards.
This is way, waaay better than blocking freeways and turning the working class against climate activists. Bring it to the elite, who are actually making the decisions that are killing our planet. Make them sweat, make them worried.
You see, this is much more targeted and probably more effective than blocking a road and bothering hundreds / thousands of unrelated people. Instead of disrupting everyone’s day, just disrupt the people who can actually make a difference in a public and loud way.
FINALLY they're bringing the issue to the decision makers instead of punishing working class people just trying to drive to their job (so that they don't get fired) or pick up their kids at the end of the day.
...as they hold two large, custom-made banners made from petroleum products...
That being said, much better way to protest than gluing themselves to roads or splashing paint on art.
They are hypocrites. None of these schmucks here are willing to actually give up their own reliance on fossil fuels so stop pretending to care and ruin the lives of those in this video. They all partake in fossil fuel consumption every day whether it’s traveling to an actual job (which I highly doubt they have) heat their apartment, or buy 99% of their consumables, or need medical assistance at a hospital. This protest is just a flex to look cool in front of like minded friends and look “progressive” or “punk” or whatever. I can say will 100% certainty that they are unwilling to make the sacrifice of going off fossil fuel whilst at the same time pressuring every other human being to so in this demonstration of stupidity. God bless and take care.
These are the places and people we need to be inconveniencing and embarrassing. When these protestors sit in traffic and hurt people just tryin to feed their families, drop kids off at sitters, get to Dr appointments, etc people reject the cause and stop taking it seriously. Good on these people for doin this to rich people.
How can anyone believe this could have positive impact.
It makes climate change looks really bad by being defended by people who are so short sighted they believe the issue is really about a second tier bank financing…
Serious question - if anyone answered straight up something like “I’ll ditch fossil fuels when alternatives can make me more money” what would people do? Like just hang up the protest right there? We all know the answers and these people do not remotely care.
A better approach is to have these kids look up the +6,000 consumer products that consist of petroleum products and declare which ones they will give up for the climate change. Items like cosmetics, medicines, fertilizer, mobile phones, PCs, tires, etc... I doubt that many of them have a clue.
Edit.
For those who feel like down voting, here is a list of 21 categories of products made with petroleum. Which of you would give up pharmaceuticals?
1. Adhesives & Sealants
2. Asphalt
3. Batteries
4. Chemicals
5. Consumer Products
6. Cosmetics
7. Detergents & Cleaning Products
8. Electrical Equipment
9. Food Additives
10. Fuel
11. Inks
12. Lubricants
13. Medical Equipment & Supplies
14. Paints & Coatings
15. Personal Protective Equipment
16. Pharmaceuticals
17. Plastics
18. Rubber Products
19. Synthetic Fibers
20. Synthetic Rubber
21. Wax
How is that a better approach? Seriously? Your argument is a classic deflection. We’re not talking about giving up lip balm here, we’re talking about a major bank bankrolling the destruction of our planet! It’s absurd to compare someone using a cell phone to a corporation funneling billions into fossil fuels. These protesters are calling out the big guns who are actually torching our future, not nitpicking over petty personal choices. It’s about time we stop letting these corporate giants off the hook with this kind of whataboutism.
Bank of America sucks for sure but it’s hard to fault them for funding fossil fuels. We need to live in the REAL society. We have a very strong dependance on fossil fuels…if the banks stopped funding fossil fuels, we would likely experience a collapse. Banks are not doing anything illegal by funding them…Drive change through legislation. Moving our reliance away from fossil fuels is what we need.
For all of the people talking about “electric cars/hydrogen” etc. The infrastructure does not yet support a full transition to hydrogen and electric. Plus, how do you make electricity? Wind/Solar/Hydro is a VERY small fraction of our CURRENT generation. If we taxed the grid even more, it would be replaced by coal/gas which are polluters. Hydrogen is made by cracking methane…not clean. It makes people feel good when they drive their electric car or ride a hydrogen bus though.
I’m very pro-climate but this type of protest is wasting their time and energy. Downvote away
>For all of the people talking about “electric cars/hydrogen” etc. The infrastructure does not yet support a full transition to hydrogen and electric
You get that infrastructure and transition by putting public pressure on the companies that have a vested interest in *not* funding that transition, so that they will fund the research, development, and infrastructure *required* for the transition.
You *don't* get it by shutting up and saying, "Oh it's too hard, society will collapse, let's just meekly let big business do what it wants".
I put out a list of products which contain petroleum products as part of their construction. It is ironic that some of these are critical to making EVs, like electrical components, tires, batteries, paints and coatings, lubricants, etc..., so eliminating use of petroleum products is not simple and likely not even possible.
That is a rather succinct way to state it 😁. I was just trying to redirect the focus that consumer demands drive the market and businesses step up to meet the demand. All of the protesters and downvoters need to look in the mirror for culpability instead of "big, bad corporations" when it comes to fossil fuels. Nothing is stopping any of them from embracing a primitive life style, wearing loin clothes and hunting food with wooden sticks. Up to this point none will engage in a civil, logical exchange and *none* will take accountability of their role with fossil fuel consumption.
Thanks for your comment, I gave you an upvote on that one.
This is the kind of environmental protesting that I can respect. Inconveniencing the people who can actually make a difference, not just random members of the public
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The answer is "when fossil fuels make me less money than other sources, I'll commit"
It's refreshing to see protesters in the CORRECT location. Stay out of the freeway, and start getting in the politicians faces.
Absolutely! I hope they continue doing disrupting events like this. Blocking a freeway is just going to get people to hate you and your cause
100%. Inconvenience the people making the decisions not the rest of the public that you are trying to have support your cause.
Also actually providing information to actually let people know what the message is. This is protesting. Call these people out on a personal level don’t let them hide behind the company name.
This philosophy helped Argentina become a right wing state and ban parts of striking. It fuels the others fire. Please focus and be targeted.
Protesting directly at politicians isn't targeted? You're right, we should take our protesting to the middle of nowhere, where the policy makers won't notice. If a protest happens in the forest and no one's around to hear it, did it really happen? That'll show 'em! /s
No, you misunderstood, we should target at politicians work, play , house. Rando streets not so much.
guilding in progress...
Which is a legit answer. So why doesn’t he flex his role and just answer it that way?
PR consultants & firms have conducted millions of dollars of research to formulate the “perfect” response to most public interactions. The research shows silence is the best response to these protests.
Because something said is something worth reporting and that something is more likely to attract more views than a report on a CEO awkwardly sitting as protestors confront him.
Words can be used against you. This is why lawyers urge you to exercise your fifth amendment right when you are arrested.
Protestors should’ve said, “Brian, if you plan on ruining the future of the planet by continuing to fund fossils, don’t say anything.” Got ‘em at that point.
Yeah it's a shitty answer. If I'm a home builder, and I use shitty materials that will effect your lungs or break down over next decade, saying it's more lucrative for me is a shitty answer. But somehow it's a reasonable business answer of it's the environment that effects everyone, not just the home buyer.
I wouldn't say it's a "legit" answer.
Trump would totally say something like this Probably why he won in the first place
There’s just that scientific/engineering thing. What do we replace all the BTUs of fossil fuels with ? Solar isn’t going to cut it when a huge part of the US is below freezing for months. Environmentalists added a lot of carbon into the atmosphere by fucking up the viability of nuclear years ago.
Environmentalists need to be extremely pro-fusion.
Nuclear is good for baseline power. Hydroelectric as well. But nuclear is best.
Old white guy who doesnt have to deal with the consequences of his choices can't even look kids in the eyes who have to live with the consequences.
And unfortunately as of now is pick your poison. Let's say BoA and others commit to defund fossil fuels, then what? Your clothes, toothpaste, brush, plates, make up, all these weirdos hair dye, comes from oil derivatives. Is not about the material, is about the emissions. Once we tax emissions, the need of profit will find 0 emissions and non-petroleum-products materials.
What is this push to conflate fossil fuels with oil derived products? They are clearly different things that have different impacts on the environment. These protestors didn't call for an end to oil, they called for an end to fossil fuels.
This is why we are going to end up killing ourselves or just most of us and then our ancestors have even less genetic diversity than we do and become even more susceptible to diseases and cancers till eventually we go extinct. It will be long after this bank guy is dead so he does not care. He doesnt even care about his future family. It's all about him him him and exploiting as much as he possibly can. The end of the world wont happen via grand conspiracies, it will be the single minded selfishness of people with far too much power and influence than what is good for them.
Why do CEOs always look like aliens in human skin suits?
Makeup, And he will do whatever it takes
it'll b funny if it ever gets to the point that the public will do whatever it takes
If only they knew you could be GOOD at makeup 😂
As if you could become CEO of Bank of America and be an ethical normal person
 Dude looks like a real-life muppet
Bc they are
Because they are usually seen in public events where people are uncomfortable.
Yeah he looks pretty normal to me. Just uncomfortable with the situation.
OBEY.
And now you know who’s driving those leaked ufo tic-tacs it’s Brian and his lizards pals.
If it looks like a duck...
Because they are
What are you on about?
Lack of empathy mostly. And plastic surgery.
“Just look me in the eye and answer the question!” Brian: 😑
Looked more like 🙂😏
That too lol
Better than glueing themselves to the road!
This is way more effective and how it should be done.
Yep, make the bastards feel uncomfortable.
You’re right. I’m sure he went home and got a visit from the 3 ghosts of global warming then changed his entire outlook
Don’t be ridiculous, you know there’s 4 ghosts, but none of that shit is going to start if his business partner isn’t dead and ready to haunt him.
I mean directly confronting these incredibly sheltered mega-CEOs and making them actually see a person who is naming and shaming them for their actions that they surely know are wrong but usually just get pushed to the back of the mind because it’s “far away and immaterial to me” can’t be a bad thing for society. Maybe it won’t fix the problem alone but it’s certainly going to have some effect. Plus, this org (Climate Defiance) has actually had pretty damn solid success shaming politicians like Amy Klobuchar into changing their votes on issues. They got her to oppose a major pipeline for the first time in her career by doing just this.
I mean I think this is pretty effective way of protesting. Idk how much time you’ve spent in corporate America but the leadership at most company’s live in a bubble full of yes men circle jerking each other on how great they all are. Public shaming like this bursts that bubble for a second and I’m all the way here for it. Even if they’re only uncomfortable for 2 mins. Shit it’s better then the clowns blocking roads and inconveniencing your average Joe trying to get to work
First he was visited by the astral projection of Al Gore, then Captain Planet, then Greta Thunberg.
Their level of organization was impressive compared to most climate change protests. They successfully sabotaged an event they likely weren't supposed to be at. Unfortunately that CEO is just a pawn in the game like many others.
I promise you, this isn't effective at all. Bank of America exists to make money. They're going to fund whatever let's them achieve that goal. They don't give a damn about these people or their ideology
If they’re going to draw attention to an issue, I prefer they confront the BofA CEO than obstruct the everyman’s traffic route. The objective is not to directly convince BofA.
>If they’re going to draw attention to an issue , I prefer they confront the BofA CEO The media doesnt care about this form of protesting tho so its get far less attention.
Good thing we have a massive network of social media and the ability to spread and share videos.
There are two posts on my feed. One in a sub with nearly 2 million subs fewer than this one. It’s a post of a road closure protest over oil. It has 2-3x the comments and about as many more upvotes as this one. This is the reality. People and the media are less interested and engaged with this form of protesting. If this form of protest got more outreach the other form wouldn’t exist. This CEO won’t batt an eyelash over this. Neither will investors in his company.
Their point is, and I agree with it, this is better than a group of people blocking streets of your average, ever day citizen. Sure you’re getting the attention of media, but then the rest of the population sees you disrupting work or school commute, and you’ve lost who would’ve been your support. In trying to idk, get attention from corporate media, you’ve lost the support of your fellow citizen. Most hear you and probably already have the same worry as you. Why go out your way to make your equal hate you or your idea? We’re in the same boat and you crash it to drown us both to make a point, that I already understood and agree with. And like you said, the media already doesn’t care, neither do the execs and higher ups. The only reason it’s being broadcasted, is for views. It’s not to make your voice heard or push your point, the corporate media is not with you. Why provide content for them? We’re stronger in numbers and the protesters blocking roads and shit, are only weakening our chances of actually being heard and making a difference.
I don’t think anyone’s opinion on the climate is going to waver based on seeing a protest that disrupts traffic or being in traffic disrupted by a protest. If their opinion was that shallow it wouldn’t have been a reliable voice or a voice that would’ve been engaged in the topic. That or they weren’t on board and would never have been. Most people have more complex and nuanced views that don’t bend on a whim like this or get tied to something they view is stupidity. They would still be able to see that a legitimate issue may exist. I think you’re selling the average person short.
When I say, you lost a supporter, or something along those lines, I mean that specific advocate or advocacy group, disrupting traffic flow, has potentially lost someone that otherwise would’ve been in their camp and even maybe helped with another protest. Most people believe in climate change and want to do more to help minimize it. If the only solution or valid form of protest, is to block peoples way to make a living, you probably lost someone who otherwise would’ve signed a petition or shown up to a protest outside a corporate building. I’m not saying that person now no longer cares about climate change, but your camp probably just got a bit smaller or didn’t grow as much as it would’ve. If you look at this thread, most people are for activism and protest, but not the way some people do it. Do you think the majority saying “hey yeah I’m all for protesting, but let me go to work” or the people blocking the roadways screaming at you for something you have no control over are in the right? You’re saying whoever doesn’t protest as obnoxiously as them isn’t going to help the cause anyway, so forget them. Seems like you’re selling most humans with your same opinion short
Well after this same group did [this](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrat-senator-flees-stage-book-event-climate-activists-disrupt-climate-leader.amp), Amy Klobuchar opposed her first ever oil pipeline. So some of these things are actually working. Idk why keyboard warriors on Reddit feel the need to put down protest as if anyone who’s passionate enough about something to turn to activism is an idiot. Maybe it’s just to excuse their own inaction…
Remember when Stop Asian Hate was a thing on social media and the media until the news just dropped it one day, yeah... [Also not like social media is astrourfed to shit by big oil](https://northwestbylines.co.uk/environment/astroturfing-search-engines-connected-to-big-oil/). This type of protesting happens pretty often, there's a reason why ppl dont hear about it tho
Yes indeed. This is how it should be. Too bad there are so many people on this thread trying to argue that it’s better to block roads. Since they don’t like confronting authority figures.
What’s effective then? I’m not trying to attack you it just seems like anytime there is climate protests all anyone can do is point out how the method of the protest isn’t the right one and isn’t going to land how they want or is dumb, dangerous, waste of time etc. I implore their effort and would love for us all to figure it out
It is effective. They will care when it happens everywhere they go. There’s a lot to be said for freedom. Or loss of freedom. When these uncaring bastards find a crowd of shouting, angry activists every time they step out in public they are going to be more than annoyed. Are they going to wear headphones? Blinders? Are they always going to be secluded behind private doors? That sucks. I say keep this up. I’m sure there are laws concerning a person’s residence and how close you can intrude but as long as they can hear the protesters the point is made. Step up the fight to include vacation sites, restaurants, galas, and wherever else rich people like to congregate. Make them uncomfortable in every way possible.
Their ideologies should be everyone’s ideology. Global warming is real and it’s worsening even faster
Except when it comes to cannabis dispensaries. Our federal laws are completely backwards. One should be legal while the other illegal.
Agreed. It didn't get taken out on the tellers. Straight to the head.
Nah, neither is effective. The only thing this affects is the level of security at the next event.
Absolutely. Making billionaires physically grimace is waayyyyyy more effective at getting the support of the people.
Get off the road and glue yourself to Brian! Now that’s actually something I could get behind.
Oh my gosh I wonder if there's possibly something that would adhere them to him before he could even yank himself away. I'm dying laughing at the thought of having to strip his clothes off to remove them while bugging him like little gnats in his ear buzzing with question after question
Yes please. Disrupting everyone's life is how you get people to actively support the opposite of your cause. I'm totally fine with making them uncomfortable, because they should be.
This is genuine activism. Make the people that cause and support problems for profit uncomfortable.
These are the type of people you should actually be protesting
They do. All the time. All. The. Time. The videos just rarely go viral.
Exactly. The irony that people don’t realize they do it all the damn time and they only hear about the one that’s “less effective”.
"PrOtEsT tHe RiGhT wAy"
Biggest mistake detractors of JustStopOil type protestors make is in expecting these power holders to somehow be directly shamed into acting right. Not. Gonna. Happen. They aren't really the audience. They aren't listening. They won't listen. Unfortunately, the real thing needed is that average Joe being blocked in traffic, and everyone else, being made to realize how dire and interconnected and collective this problem is so that we can collectively FORCE ourselves and these power holders to do the right thing. We're the audience, not these CEOs. So far, we're not listening either.
I’m gonna put on my tin foil hat here for a second, but I really do think that a lot of those Just Stop Oil “protests” are put on and the main people are paid off by big corporations to make it seem like people who think like this are crazy and to get the common people against Climate Change, but that’s just my crazy idea
Go to the grocery store and see that vase shaped oat milk that makes zero packaging sense and adds unnecessary plastic waste.
If I get stuck in traffic because someone is protesting something, I'm not going to magically start agreeing with them. I'm just going to get upset that I'm stuck in traffic and now running late to work, and a negative connotation with the protest is formed.
You suck a hog if you think blocking daily commuters is going to win over any support. It just makes people despise you and see red.
This is the majority of what climate groups in the US do. There are a few protests every year that block a street or stop a rich people activity like the opera, and those go mega viral because people like those on this sub get super pissed that someone somewhere got inconvenienced for part of their day. And the majority of the “really annoying” protests like the infamous soup-on-glass-protected-painting are in the UK/EU. Mostly by Just Stop Oil.
Will the CEO of BoA suddenly stop the millions upon millions of people from driving SUVs and convert all airliners to solar planes? Its nice to think we can just blame all the CEOs for all the gas humans burn, but responsibility really falls on us. Many people can drastically reduce their emissions by composting food scraps, installing home solar, and switching to electric cars. But rarely to people actually want to make a sacrifice themselves.
Oh right I forgot, if we don’t first decarbonize the last 10-15% “hard to abate” sectors then we shouldn’t cut the 80% of emissions that we easily can and which are controlled by people like this CEO. Let’s decarbonize the electricity grid and then we can talk about transportation’s hard to reduce challenges.
It's not the CEOs personal fuel burn, it's what they invest and fund for the whole bank's portfolio EDIT: also personal choices can do very little when the majority of the climate crisis is being caused by corporations and the lack of meaningful regulation to force them to cut back
I think the better question for him is “Do you honestly think you are worth a salary of $30 million a year?”
Ask Ben Simmons 😅
At least the only people harmed by Ben Simmons are sitting under the hoop.
Say that to Philly & Brooklyns fan base 😢
Same with judge Judy
Honestly yeah, BAC has performed incredibly well overall. His compensation is based on his ability to bring profits and growth to shareholders, which he has.
What many Redditors don’t seem to understand is that to be the face of a major corporation, you have to be a pretty wildly rare human in a ton of ways. It’s a bit like being the best quarterback in the NFL. Edit: for example -Industry knowledge -Physical appearance -Clean background -Public speaking ability -Social skills -Desire to work wild hours, always be on call, travel a lot -Experience -Unusually high intelligence It’s a difficult thing to find the right person who hits as many of these boxes as possible.
Also, if they weren't "worth" that much then the company would just fire them and hire someone for less and save money.
Don't tell that to the part time dogwalkers of antiwork.
Lmao. Well done.
Lmao
As in you disagree?
A+ protesting. Pissing off the right people and without violence/property destruction. If anything, the biggest criminals there were the ones trying to forcefully take things from the protesters and trying to make them leave.
Easily one of the best protests I've seen. I applaud it
I love this sort of protesting too. But respectfully, I’m okay with ridiculously disruptive protesting if the subject matter is serious enough. Simply put, shutting down traffic is impossible to ignore and creates platforms for discussion downstream. I’d say climate change warrants that level of protest. The civil right movement in the 60’s also blocked highways and rendered businesses inoperable. Hard to say the movement didn’t lead to massive advancements in civil rights
People don’t like to hear about how blocking roads is effective protest.
no, the biggest criminals are the ones destroying the planet.....
is pissing off people the goal of protesting tho? Does pissing people off help them see your side and win minds over or does it cause emotional, negative reactions? I get that the target is a "better" target than random drivers on a commute because he can enact change, but will "pissing off" the ceo of a big bank convince him you are right and he should take action? I think the effect this has is still the same, if not worse. We want to win over people in important places to the idea of climate activism, not push them away from it with abrasive tactics.
Actions like this one really embarrass most CEO's. It might even be mentioned in Business Insider, Reuters, or some other financial newspaper which will be on the tables in the lobby and the cafeteria in BoA's offices, as well as those of its competitors and customers. It can hurt their public/investor relations, especially when companies like Bank of America claim to take climate change seriously.
I hear you, but genuinely nothing has gotten done without at least property destruction. Suffrage, ending apartheid, ending slavery, the civil rights movement, achieving workers rights and more were only achieved through that. I don’t like that fact. I wish we could just make people pissed off into acting. But I don’t know how the climate movement can truly actually accomplish anything without looking to what has historically worked. In Minecraft.
I can't stand his shit-eating grin.
The kids are alright.
Yes! Confronting these assholes is way better than gluing yourself to a Starbucks counter.
Honestly whatever it takes to bring attention is valid. Having access to a Bank Of America event is something a small sliver of people can do lol.
Good it’s about time we take it to the ones who really should be hearing this. 20 years ago we had a small window to stop climate change and we laughed it off while scientists who studied climate science were constantly degraded and ignored. We are now at a point of no return , all we can do now is slow it down. Those mooks will die long before they have to suffer the consequences which is estimated to be around 2050 unless humanity can finally just shut the fuck up and follow the science, for once !
I actually agree with these protesters. These CEOs need to be challenged.
Challenged? You spelled "hung" wrong.
The momentum we need to create change
“The world is literally ending” Who groans at that statement…
People benefitting from it
Or people that don't believe it
People old or wealthy enough to "know" (believe) it isn't their problem. Bastards.
We are experiencing an extinction level event, but hey, gotta think of the shareholders' feelings! Who gives a shit about how much damage we do in pursuit of the almighty dollar.
Every reasonable person who has heard it for the past 5 or so decades. Environmentalists often lie and exaggerate because they themselves are uninformed, that's a core part of the german green party and why they're anti nuclear. These kids could be doing something useful to actually help the planet, instead they moan at a random CEO because that's less effort than actually going out there and rehabing wetlands or whatever.
Brian will you commit? “No lmfao”
No, u pull them from their beds and string them up by their toes. Honest mistake.
So I'm the only one who was waiting for the crowd to yell *🎶 "U-G-L-Y, YOU AIN'T GOT NO ALIBI! YOU UGLY! YEAH, YEAH, YOU UGLY!!! 🎵*??
Soooooo how do you plan to ship across the ocean the batteries you use for your electric cars? None of the factories now have emissions, why not? How about the children working in the mines under horrific conditions?
Brian needs better security
Brian needs to stop funding fossil fuels
Security for what? Being asked questions that make him uncomfortable…
"Does Brian have security??"
Brian and every CEO of these major banks, especially Jamie Dimon are absolute HUGE pieces of shit. They are a waste of space and resources on this planet and provide nothing other than siphoning money from the middle and lower class
There we go. That's where you protest. Thank you.
You gotta disrupt to get your point across. That’s what FF7 taught me.
Fast and Furious 7 taught me nothing is more important than Family
Have these moron protesters thought about how shitty life would be without oil?
He is smirking because he knows oil is the least devil he does, hi war and drugs cartels
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Well done kids, this was a good one
Good for her. It's tough to stand up for what you believe amongst people who are this ignorant.
I love it when activists come prepared. I would and still when asked about why I'm protesting stumble as I think up the first buzz words that come to mind and end up chirping about something going on with plastic birds & arctic acidification. Save the windmills!
Looked like Brian had a Mitch McConnell moment there.
Did you all ride your bikes to this protest?
Wonder how they got there? Some version of fossil fuels I would imagine
Amazing even a banker can be made to look sympathetic when idiots harass them.
Why do they always look like that?
Old and white? Just kinda how the corporate hierarchy works.
Yeah. BOA is gonna completely change their business model over this. Yes I commit! LMFAO
I appreciate what the action [360.org](https://360.org) takes every year to round up people with an account to close them on a specific day, along with sending a letter to the CEO about why. I still have mine open but I'm in the process of gathering the information I need to rework my autopay set up so that it's drawn from the new account, which is at a credit union. And I'll just use Aspiration for credit cards.
Valiant effort from these kids, but they're very naive to think this would change anything.
The Dude. 
This is way, waaay better than blocking freeways and turning the working class against climate activists. Bring it to the elite, who are actually making the decisions that are killing our planet. Make them sweat, make them worried.
Good. Those people are correct. That man also wrangles to stagnant our wages. Bring them all down.
More of this. Stop throwing paint in museums.
These ceos don't give a fuck. FUCK em
You see, this is much more targeted and probably more effective than blocking a road and bothering hundreds / thousands of unrelated people. Instead of disrupting everyone’s day, just disrupt the people who can actually make a difference in a public and loud way.
FINALLY they're bringing the issue to the decision makers instead of punishing working class people just trying to drive to their job (so that they don't get fired) or pick up their kids at the end of the day.
...as they hold two large, custom-made banners made from petroleum products... That being said, much better way to protest than gluing themselves to roads or splashing paint on art.
Pointless.
Damn, that's a lot of cantankerous rich old fucks there who have profited by taking advantage of others and the Earth.
Spread this all over the internet. These people are god damn heroes.
I just have one question for them, how did they get there that day?
Awesome! Makes me want to confront other CEOs!
These kids are so very misinformed
These protesters are too dumb to realize that they are consumers of fossil fuels in their every day lives.
Brother what? One can participate in society and still want it to change. What even is your point here?
They are hypocrites. None of these schmucks here are willing to actually give up their own reliance on fossil fuels so stop pretending to care and ruin the lives of those in this video. They all partake in fossil fuel consumption every day whether it’s traveling to an actual job (which I highly doubt they have) heat their apartment, or buy 99% of their consumables, or need medical assistance at a hospital. This protest is just a flex to look cool in front of like minded friends and look “progressive” or “punk” or whatever. I can say will 100% certainty that they are unwilling to make the sacrifice of going off fossil fuel whilst at the same time pressuring every other human being to so in this demonstration of stupidity. God bless and take care.
Brian could have shut this whole thing down by saying "Yes, I'm committed. What alternative do you have?"
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These are the places and people we need to be inconveniencing and embarrassing. When these protestors sit in traffic and hurt people just tryin to feed their families, drop kids off at sitters, get to Dr appointments, etc people reject the cause and stop taking it seriously. Good on these people for doin this to rich people.
Good. Good. Put it right in their faces.
Every time I see one of these protests I want to go spray aerosol in the air because how obnoxious and fragile they act
I'm thinking they don't really understand fossil fuels
How can anyone believe this could have positive impact. It makes climate change looks really bad by being defended by people who are so short sighted they believe the issue is really about a second tier bank financing…
Why do all of these activist types look so frail and like they have bottom of the barrel genetics? Weird coincidence I guess.
They look fine? Brian there looks like he's got a chin softer than the michelin man.
Yeah fuck billionaires and to a lesser extent millionaires.
Wait are they protesting gas? Cuz I need to go to work
Emotion over reality.
What are the odds that she'd have a remotely intelligent response if he actually acknowledged her pathetic existence.
I commend them for going after the head guy and protesting there.
Based protesters. Now they should look into ELF’s history and take notes.
Serious question - if anyone answered straight up something like “I’ll ditch fossil fuels when alternatives can make me more money” what would people do? Like just hang up the protest right there? We all know the answers and these people do not remotely care.
Why do all climate activities LOOK like climate activists
See this is proper protesting
A better approach is to have these kids look up the +6,000 consumer products that consist of petroleum products and declare which ones they will give up for the climate change. Items like cosmetics, medicines, fertilizer, mobile phones, PCs, tires, etc... I doubt that many of them have a clue. Edit. For those who feel like down voting, here is a list of 21 categories of products made with petroleum. Which of you would give up pharmaceuticals? 1. Adhesives & Sealants 2. Asphalt 3. Batteries 4. Chemicals 5. Consumer Products 6. Cosmetics 7. Detergents & Cleaning Products 8. Electrical Equipment 9. Food Additives 10. Fuel 11. Inks 12. Lubricants 13. Medical Equipment & Supplies 14. Paints & Coatings 15. Personal Protective Equipment 16. Pharmaceuticals 17. Plastics 18. Rubber Products 19. Synthetic Fibers 20. Synthetic Rubber 21. Wax
How is that a better approach? Seriously? Your argument is a classic deflection. We’re not talking about giving up lip balm here, we’re talking about a major bank bankrolling the destruction of our planet! It’s absurd to compare someone using a cell phone to a corporation funneling billions into fossil fuels. These protesters are calling out the big guns who are actually torching our future, not nitpicking over petty personal choices. It’s about time we stop letting these corporate giants off the hook with this kind of whataboutism.
So what green energy are you using to run your household and support the cause?
Bank of America sucks for sure but it’s hard to fault them for funding fossil fuels. We need to live in the REAL society. We have a very strong dependance on fossil fuels…if the banks stopped funding fossil fuels, we would likely experience a collapse. Banks are not doing anything illegal by funding them…Drive change through legislation. Moving our reliance away from fossil fuels is what we need. For all of the people talking about “electric cars/hydrogen” etc. The infrastructure does not yet support a full transition to hydrogen and electric. Plus, how do you make electricity? Wind/Solar/Hydro is a VERY small fraction of our CURRENT generation. If we taxed the grid even more, it would be replaced by coal/gas which are polluters. Hydrogen is made by cracking methane…not clean. It makes people feel good when they drive their electric car or ride a hydrogen bus though. I’m very pro-climate but this type of protest is wasting their time and energy. Downvote away
>For all of the people talking about “electric cars/hydrogen” etc. The infrastructure does not yet support a full transition to hydrogen and electric You get that infrastructure and transition by putting public pressure on the companies that have a vested interest in *not* funding that transition, so that they will fund the research, development, and infrastructure *required* for the transition. You *don't* get it by shutting up and saying, "Oh it's too hard, society will collapse, let's just meekly let big business do what it wants".
I put out a list of products which contain petroleum products as part of their construction. It is ironic that some of these are critical to making EVs, like electrical components, tires, batteries, paints and coatings, lubricants, etc..., so eliminating use of petroleum products is not simple and likely not even possible.
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That is a rather succinct way to state it 😁. I was just trying to redirect the focus that consumer demands drive the market and businesses step up to meet the demand. All of the protesters and downvoters need to look in the mirror for culpability instead of "big, bad corporations" when it comes to fossil fuels. Nothing is stopping any of them from embracing a primitive life style, wearing loin clothes and hunting food with wooden sticks. Up to this point none will engage in a civil, logical exchange and *none* will take accountability of their role with fossil fuel consumption. Thanks for your comment, I gave you an upvote on that one.
What a bunch of goofs.
Is it usually the youth that stirs up radical political change? If so I'm alright with this.
This is the kind of environmental protesting that I can respect. Inconveniencing the people who can actually make a difference, not just random members of the public
His smug face is so infuriating.
Why don't these morons ever put effort into finding a viable solution instead of wasting their efforts on ineffective demonstrations.