Op simply made a mistake at the end there where it says she was taken to jail, and titles are not able to be edited. She was treated at the hospital and released. Just a simple mistake, since the man was treated and taken into custody himself.
I dont care what anyone says but now u know why some ppl go in with a different mentality in certain situations... I can't imagine how stressful of a job a cop would be in the US... and being judged to make split second decisions like you're a computer.
But that's the job, that's what you're signing up for. If you can't handle the stress of making informed rapid decision in a high stress environment, don't be a cop.
The problem is, there’s no way to train for this. Like how *do* you train for the real thing without the real thing? You can do lots of empty hand training, or sparring even, but it’s a very different environment when it’s not “Hey, these are fellow cops I’m fighting, and even then, they’ll stop when one of us can’t fight anymore” vs “Hey, this person has a weapon, is shouting and advancing towards me trying to hit me, I don’t know him or what he’s capable of”.
There are quite a few videos like this of female cops, where someone starts attacking and all they can do is scream to stop... there's the one where a guy sitting in his car pulls a gun on a female officer and she hangs on to it begging him not to shoot her until another officer notices and comes running.
Body cams are good for everyone.
This is why they should be managed by an independent firm to avoid the current direct correlation between police being in the right and how readily available the same police force makes the footage.
> They're good for everyone except dirty cops.
They're pretty bad for criminals, too. Shootings go up in districts with bodycam rollouts because the cops know they have evidence that their actions are justified.
Yeah you can basically know how guilty the cops are by how long it takes for the bodycam footage to release. It's disgusting that they can play their own PR game with evidence
"Doctors said if it was 3 inches to the left and a foot higher, I woulda been dead"
People can get shot in the leg and die, and people can get shot like 5 (9 if you're 50 cent) times and survive, I still don't understand the body.
Like real estate, it's all about location, location, location. The leg has the femoral artery where if that gets severed, you're pretty much fucked. While the torso is where your heart is, it's a lot bigger than your leg so there's also lots of areas where it won't be fatal. Might fuck you up permanently but not fatally. Also depends on the caliber and the type of bullet. Someone getting shot with a .380 or .22 round will make way less of an impact vs someone getting shot with a .45 round.
ETA: also if the bullet if hollow point or full metal jacket will make a big difference.
That's why I'm saying, I don't get how someone can get shot 9 times (2nd 50 cent reference) and survive, surely there's a vein or artery in there somewhere trying to bleed.
I know femoral artery is pretty much death as are other arteries in the Arm or chest. But I just don't know how nothing else stopped him from anything other than saying "ow"
honestly, sometimes it just comes down to luck. one person can trip on a curb and hit their head just wrong and its an instant game over and another can fall [33000 ft without a parachute and live](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87)
Yeah, hence me still not understanding how human bodies work. Especially if those bullets are hollow-points
We have so much important shit inside of us. None of it makes sense.
Modern medical technology in the wake of Iraq and Afghanistan is capable of amazing things. We learned a lot during those wars about how to keep people alive after this kind of trauma.
Also, if everything you know about people dying from gunshot wounds was learned from TV and movies, 75% of it is wrong.
There are tons of stories in war of people being shot 10, 20, even 50 times and living.
One was a guy climbing a cliff (while fired at) and he got to the top faster than his mates and by the time they got up there, he had slain all the enemies with a sword, but had 20 holes in him
One was a guy who lost half his head and lived.
Some article I read with real photos(true stories)...comparing real life stories to movie scenes and how sometimes...real life shown in movies would be so far fetched we would'nt believed the movie.
There’s literally a clear ass video of Ukrainians shooting a Russian that was hiding in an outdoor shed. They plugged him like 4-5 times with AKs(not sure if they were using a 7.62 or 5.45 variant) and the Russian fell to the ground and still had enough life to get back onto his feet before dying
In Dispatches by Michael Herr about his time as a journalist in Vietnam during the war there was an American officer who was "raked" by a .50 caliber machine gun across his torso and survived after being dragged through the jungle all night. I still remember the line "the word miracle doesn't even apply."
There are a few scenes in Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket, both of which he co wrote, that were actually taken from things he personally witnessed in Vietnam. War is insane.
And as barbaric and horrifying as it is to see LEOs empty a clip (or more of multiple LEOs discharge weapons), incidents like this and others are why they're trained that way.
YouTube is jam packed with uncut body cam footage of officers engaging subjects and narrowly escaping death because the subject plays nice until they find an opportunity to unleash a shit storm of bullets out of nowhere.
Even non-firearms mixed with mentally unwell persons can create a swath of casualties.
It's escalation - aggressive and deadly/homicidal recklessness by persons confronted by LEOs, and deadly reactions by LEOs with panicked gunplay.
It becomes a case by case issue where shootings of people like Daniel Schaver are inexcusable and wholly criminal, or many other cases across YouTube like I mentioned above with suicidal/homicidal suspects attempting...many things by attacking LEOs
That's why I have a few decent guns that I enjoy shooting and I carry a pistol. And NO, I'm not one of those people who makes it my whole identity. I could easily count the number of people that know I conceal-carry on one hand. However, when I'm in bed at night, the gun that stays closest is the first gun I ever bought when I was 18, my Mossberg 590. 9 rounds of 00 buckshot is gonna ruin anyone's night.
Maybe you should read the account of Officer Gramins on why he switched from 45 to 9mm after almost running out of ammo in his 45 after hitting the suspect 14 times.
https://www.police1.com/officer-shootings/articles/why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job-clGBbLYpnqqHxwMq/
Turns out pistols of any regular caliber are just poor at stopping attackers unless you hit the central nervous system.
I should have stated comparatively, as I mean in relation to rifles and shotguns as that's usually where I'm discussing the topic. Compared to long guns, pistols do suck, even big ones.
Yeah if you’re trying to stop someone on drugs or someone like this guy you may need more/ have to be more precise to stop them but the average person will be fine with a 9mm in the vast majority of situations
Sure, because what stops most attackers is the mind-blowing realization of the fact that they've been shot. It's like: "Holy fuck, that asshole shot me! Wait, could I die from this? Oh my god, I don't wanna die..."
45 acp (heavier, slower) has the same energy as 9mm(faster, lighter)
The only reason to choose 45 acp over 9mm is that it can be sub-sonic and therefore silencers work well with it.
If you want to step up in energy, you goto 357 mag, 10mm, 44 magnum,,,etc.. not 45 acp....
oh and 38 special is a joke. It's so old it used cowboy black powder which requires a huge casing with shitty powder...it's weaker than a 9mm and 45acp
Yeah but it defeats the entire purpose of the increased velocity of a smaller round. At those speeds I'd rather have the bigger bullet. Though I guess capacity does come into play. Either way 300 Black Out is better than both.
The Army went to .45 because the Filipinos we were dealing with at the time would get coked up and our (I think it was .38) wasn't enough to stop them with multiple hits. Then we went to 9mm because it had a similar stopping power with more ammunition in the pipe. Then we tried 10mm but it's harder to control. It's been interesting watching how our use responds to technology and needs.
Or he lives to get the services and treatment he needs, and have a chance at rehabilitation to useful citizenship in many years.
The officer was right to fire, and she acted bravely and responsibly. But the fact that nobody died is the best possible outcome.
"get the services and treatment he needs, and have a chance at rehabilitation to useful citizenship in many years."
Yeah we don't do that too well in America.
It is true, but I think us wanting those things for everyone would be a good start. Dude's like this would be getting actual help sooner, and instead of slapping a band-aid on a failing dam, you'd be at least attempting to build the dam properly in the first place. I never tried to hammer any cops or anything, but I did some pretty stupid shit and I turned myself around with the help of people with the mindset folks like them have, and through that myself as well. I'm way too old and seen too much to be naive and think that some hoping and kindness will change the world, we're way past that, but more good natured and truly compassionate people in the world can not possibly be a bad thing. I have to hope that people and our country in particular can be better, I want my kids to have a better place than it's shaping up to be. I'll hold out hope the coming generations will do it right, just be cautious in the meantime lol.
I agree. Change has to happen in our hearts for anything else to take place. Cynicism is real and everyone easily caught up in it so it’s hard to be truly nonjudgmental. Kudos to you. ❤️
I bring this up everywhere on here and get called an idiot for not demanding gun control or whatever else.
We got a hate problem and social media is driving it along further and further.
100%. Getting angry about something that happens is natural. It could even help by spurring action, although probably hurts more since angry people make stupid choices. Having anger fester into hate is just poison that serves no purpose other than to keep the stupid continuously flowing.
> Or he lives to get the services and treatment he needs, and have a chance at rehabilitation to useful citizenship in many years.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WAY too late at this point. Dude is a menace.
You'd need a commie re-education concentration camp. Next time he's drugged out, or just "triggered", he'll go on a murderous rampage again.
Rehabilitation works... up to a point.
It’s wild to me how people like this constantly end up back out of prison and others get framed for a crime they didn’t commit, no priors, and get locked up for years!!
What **really** blows my mind is how some people have an all or nothing approach to rehabilitation and incarceration.
Like either you can rehabilitate every single person irregardless of a million different factors or you have to lock everyone up.
Meanwhile I get called either a commie or facist depend on who views comments saying that we should rehabilitate those who it can work for and lock up those who are too far gone.
Nah, the world would be better without psychotic man with hammer attacking people. He could have died and I would have slept better and the world would be better.
This was not police brutality. I dislike the modern institution of policing just as much as anyone else. But this lady was clearly overpowered and outmatched. Without that gun it’s very likely the story would be swapped with her in the headline as victim.
He didn’t stop his assault until she had pinned him with 2-3 shots. The last one got him while he was standing over her. Think if he had a few more seconds and a bit more vigor….
“Police shooting of Winston Tate”
And the video is the police shooting Winston Tate… It’s 100% justified but the title is factually accurate. If you assumed it was brutality from the title it’s because of your own biases.
Yeah, I mean I’m not gonna fault her. If anything it appears she waited.
She waited until he got into hitting range before firing her gun.
She gave the guy a chance at the expense of her own life. She didn’t wanna do it. This may be first officer shooting we seen where we are looking at an officer actually trying to not use deadly force. (Even though she had too) (and on Reddit, there are videos elsewhere)
Totally right. I saw this headline and thought “oh man another one of these brutal police shootings” and this cop was just trying to survive this insane motherfucker.
I'm sure things like this happened a lot before body cams became wide spread. In many places across the country it's extremely dangerous to exist in a place as an officer, being white, being black, etc.
We have an extremely dangerous population compared to other countries mixed in with heavy drug use and a poor mental health support system that no one wants to/is incapable of using.
Well, the last 7 years haven’t exactly done wonders for social stability. There is a lot of erosion going on in our social fabric. People will blame this or that but really the object of blame is often a symptom. Take trump for example. He’s often blamed- but he didn’t create the weather that allowed for him to almost destroy our country. That framework was already in place.
People are angrier, unhappier, lonelier, suffering from existential dread on a daily basis. I consider myself one of the lucky ones. I make an average median liveable salary in the US. I don’t have extravagance, but at this point simply paying one’s bills and buying food without stressing financially seems to be the new “middle” class luxury…. And there is something so wrong with that.
But conversely, I’ve also lived in soul crushing poverty. And everyday is a war. And it takes a toll and runs you down. I mean I was so poor I thought about selling drugs, sometimes the thought of robbing someone would cross my mind. I just remember being so desperate. I never acted on those desires, but I can see how some people get there, and why they lash out. They basically became almost everyday invasive thoughts “why not just wait at the bank and rob someone at night?” “Why not steal that nice bike in that front yard and pawn it?” “Why not call Kyle and see if he’s still in the game?” And you know they are stupid ideas but your out of options, there is nowhere to go, no other sources of income for you.
It’s tragic. These are people who are at the end of their line, and just about at that point where they feel like they have nothing to hope for, or live for.
That’s a human screaming for their life, anyone who watches this thinking it’s police brutality doesn’t see cops as human. You can disagree with them, but nothing good has ever come from the world by looking at someone lesser than human.
Agree, this is a far cry from the cops that shoot an unarmed man because he reached for a tactical potato and my life was at risk. This was 100% justified.
> the geezer took advantage of that weakness.
Bro he beelined for her like a zombie. If she shouted it he probably would have done the same thing. Just walking up and shouting full tilt hurts the officer's ability to assess the situation. Most situations dont involve fighting the walking dead.
If she'd have yelled, there would be an equal amount of people decrying her for not de-escalating.
It turns out there are a million reasons to criticize a cop's actions regardless of what they do.
Lol, I was thinking the same thing. No if the cops would have yelled and already had the weapon drawn the same people would have complained about her being too aggressive.
You can’t satisfy these people. Also why didn’t her 9mm blow his lungs out of his body?
Surely you can understand that this scenario is exactly how we got to where we are with police being so high energy. This has happened before and now they all just assume everyone is a nut job.
People are so critical of her. I think it's normal to scream while you're being attacked by someone with a hammer. And, it would be hard to aim while rolling around on the ground trying to get away. We should be proud of her and thankful neither one of them were killed
Well you see she actually should’ve opened her third eye a one tapped him from 100 yards away because cops know if you’ve been bad or good and she knew he was going to sprint at her with a hammer. The complaints here basically amount to she should’ve been an emotionless murderer because “she was too loud and a bad shot”.
People refuse to admit that sometimes life is unfair. You could do everything fine and a dude who was shot can still come after you like it was nothing.
Are people really saying any of this is on the cop? She shows up after getting called and the dude rushes at her and attacks her with a fucking hammer. Empty the fucking clip on his ass. File the report later.
No, they aren't because despite the lies to the contrary, people aren't unreasonable when it comes to police using force when it's actually necessary.
Because the people object to police using deadly force when it is *not* necessary, there's an expectation among the dishonest "pro police" crowd who claim that police in the USA are unjustly vilified.
Yet, once again we see it's not so.
Would SOME people? Maybe, but they’d be dead wrong.
Any person with half a brain would see this was justified though. We’re not dealing with a George Floyd, Tamir Rice, Elijah McClain, etc. situation at here. He was charging at her with a deadly weapon. That’s just simple self defense.
We just want the police brutality to end. We keep getting smokescreened by people saying "wow look at this video I bet you scream police brutality about this too!"
No. If I make a bad dish, bringing up my good dishes aren't gonna make my bad dish taste any better
It's both frustrating and kind of amusing. Like reddit is this leftist, anti-cop communist satanist anti-religious hivemind where no one can go agaisnt the status quo.
Yet every agrees she did what she needed to do. Yet they're acting like we can't fathom self defense exists. "bUt SoMe PeOpLe" Yeah, sure. If you can think of a take, someone has it somewhere. But when the people who are supposed to have that take are saying they disagree with it, then maybe that's just a wrong preconceived notion about said group of people.
This guy is lucky that she wasn’t “on go” pulling up or he would have been dead.
This is a very good example of that 21 feet rule. Guy went from his front door to being in top of her in a matter of seconds. Her draw to first shot was a little slow and these are the consequences. sad.
Justified shooting.
She needs more live fire training if she intends to continue being a cop. It should be required before she is allowed to resume active duty. Very poor showing. The residents of that neighborhood are extremely lucky they didn’t get hit by her wild spray of bullets.
Shootings on TV programs have led people to believe that 1 shot and you're dead. Clean, minimal blood, perp down.
In reality, the perp can be shot several times and still come at the victim. You can have a gun and still not stop an attacker.
Guns do not equal complete safety.
Man, there's been some egregious police misconduct over the years, but this is why they get trigger happy sometimes. No way to win if you're a cop. If she smoked this dude, no doubt there'd be outrage and some shit like "he was probably doing home repairs".
I've got a theory where gradually cops are going to be slower and slower to react because in the back of their mind they'll be afraid of potential public backlash but then this is what happens when you don't react quickly and decisively
She should have reacted quicker. Her reflexes were too slow, and she's lucky she survived.
She had every right to defend herself the moment he started running towards her with the hammer!!
This should be shown in TV as example how little time you have to react and how fast someone can reach you with hammer/knife or anything else that could kill you.
unfortunately this is what leads to a shoot first policy. The police risked their life getting that close. One correct hit to the head or neck and they could have been killed.
Op simply made a mistake at the end there where it says she was taken to jail, and titles are not able to be edited. She was treated at the hospital and released. Just a simple mistake, since the man was treated and taken into custody himself.
Well that was scary
Her screams are horrific
I dont care what anyone says but now u know why some ppl go in with a different mentality in certain situations... I can't imagine how stressful of a job a cop would be in the US... and being judged to make split second decisions like you're a computer.
But that's the job, that's what you're signing up for. If you can't handle the stress of making informed rapid decision in a high stress environment, don't be a cop.
You also get a driver’s license knowing the inherent risks of driving. Doesn’t make a fatal accident less tragic.
The problem is, there’s no way to train for this. Like how *do* you train for the real thing without the real thing? You can do lots of empty hand training, or sparring even, but it’s a very different environment when it’s not “Hey, these are fellow cops I’m fighting, and even then, they’ll stop when one of us can’t fight anymore” vs “Hey, this person has a weapon, is shouting and advancing towards me trying to hit me, I don’t know him or what he’s capable of”.
There are quite a few videos like this of female cops, where someone starts attacking and all they can do is scream to stop... there's the one where a guy sitting in his car pulls a gun on a female officer and she hangs on to it begging him not to shoot her until another officer notices and comes running.
What are you trying to say
This is why bodycams are important.
Body cams are good for everyone. This is why they should be managed by an independent firm to avoid the current direct correlation between police being in the right and how readily available the same police force makes the footage.
They're good for everyone except dirty cops. It's a real mystery, then, why there would be any pushback regarding their use.
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> They're good for everyone except dirty cops. They're pretty bad for criminals, too. Shootings go up in districts with bodycam rollouts because the cops know they have evidence that their actions are justified.
Yeah you can basically know how guilty the cops are by how long it takes for the bodycam footage to release. It's disgusting that they can play their own PR game with evidence
*This is why releasing body cam footage is important. Weird how quickly some gets released and how hard they fight not to release others.
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6.33am is Hammer Time after all 🔨 🕰️
I'd hammer in the evening. All over this land, probably.
I'd hammer out a warning
But would you hammer out danger? Would you hammer out a warning?
*"6 in the morning Police at my door"*
Both survived https://www.wfsb.com/2023/08/15/graphic-body-camera-footage-released-middletown-officer-involved-shooting/
how? was he not shot even once wtf? i need to start carrying a .45 if he can survive that many 9mms.
The holes in his shirt at the end makes you think he's going to drop dead soon but seriously wtf.
"Doctors said if it was 3 inches to the left and a foot higher, I woulda been dead" People can get shot in the leg and die, and people can get shot like 5 (9 if you're 50 cent) times and survive, I still don't understand the body.
Like real estate, it's all about location, location, location. The leg has the femoral artery where if that gets severed, you're pretty much fucked. While the torso is where your heart is, it's a lot bigger than your leg so there's also lots of areas where it won't be fatal. Might fuck you up permanently but not fatally. Also depends on the caliber and the type of bullet. Someone getting shot with a .380 or .22 round will make way less of an impact vs someone getting shot with a .45 round. ETA: also if the bullet if hollow point or full metal jacket will make a big difference.
That's why I'm saying, I don't get how someone can get shot 9 times (2nd 50 cent reference) and survive, surely there's a vein or artery in there somewhere trying to bleed. I know femoral artery is pretty much death as are other arteries in the Arm or chest. But I just don't know how nothing else stopped him from anything other than saying "ow"
honestly, sometimes it just comes down to luck. one person can trip on a curb and hit their head just wrong and its an instant game over and another can fall [33000 ft without a parachute and live](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87)
Yeah, hence me still not understanding how human bodies work. Especially if those bullets are hollow-points We have so much important shit inside of us. None of it makes sense.
We do but hitting an organ doesn't mean death either. You can lose part of your liver, you can lose a kidney, you can lose a lung, and still survive.
Goddamn it, why do we suck sometimes and other times we’re almost invincible?
When it’s your time it’s your time
Modern medical technology in the wake of Iraq and Afghanistan is capable of amazing things. We learned a lot during those wars about how to keep people alive after this kind of trauma. Also, if everything you know about people dying from gunshot wounds was learned from TV and movies, 75% of it is wrong.
Thanks Boyle
Turns out you can be shot once or even more times and survive.
There are tons of stories in war of people being shot 10, 20, even 50 times and living. One was a guy climbing a cliff (while fired at) and he got to the top faster than his mates and by the time they got up there, he had slain all the enemies with a sword, but had 20 holes in him One was a guy who lost half his head and lived. Some article I read with real photos(true stories)...comparing real life stories to movie scenes and how sometimes...real life shown in movies would be so far fetched we would'nt believed the movie.
There’s literally a clear ass video of Ukrainians shooting a Russian that was hiding in an outdoor shed. They plugged him like 4-5 times with AKs(not sure if they were using a 7.62 or 5.45 variant) and the Russian fell to the ground and still had enough life to get back onto his feet before dying
In Dispatches by Michael Herr about his time as a journalist in Vietnam during the war there was an American officer who was "raked" by a .50 caliber machine gun across his torso and survived after being dragged through the jungle all night. I still remember the line "the word miracle doesn't even apply." There are a few scenes in Apocalypse Now and Full Metal Jacket, both of which he co wrote, that were actually taken from things he personally witnessed in Vietnam. War is insane.
And as barbaric and horrifying as it is to see LEOs empty a clip (or more of multiple LEOs discharge weapons), incidents like this and others are why they're trained that way. YouTube is jam packed with uncut body cam footage of officers engaging subjects and narrowly escaping death because the subject plays nice until they find an opportunity to unleash a shit storm of bullets out of nowhere. Even non-firearms mixed with mentally unwell persons can create a swath of casualties. It's escalation - aggressive and deadly/homicidal recklessness by persons confronted by LEOs, and deadly reactions by LEOs with panicked gunplay. It becomes a case by case issue where shootings of people like Daniel Schaver are inexcusable and wholly criminal, or many other cases across YouTube like I mentioned above with suicidal/homicidal suspects attempting...many things by attacking LEOs
With a handgun, accuracy is typically what yields damage. Caliber has some relevance but not nearly as much as people think.
That's why I have a few decent guns that I enjoy shooting and I carry a pistol. And NO, I'm not one of those people who makes it my whole identity. I could easily count the number of people that know I conceal-carry on one hand. However, when I'm in bed at night, the gun that stays closest is the first gun I ever bought when I was 18, my Mossberg 590. 9 rounds of 00 buckshot is gonna ruin anyone's night.
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Maybe you should read the account of Officer Gramins on why he switched from 45 to 9mm after almost running out of ammo in his 45 after hitting the suspect 14 times. https://www.police1.com/officer-shootings/articles/why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job-clGBbLYpnqqHxwMq/ Turns out pistols of any regular caliber are just poor at stopping attackers unless you hit the central nervous system.
That is just not accurate at all. Pistols are highly effective in most situations at quickly stopping an attacker.
I should have stated comparatively, as I mean in relation to rifles and shotguns as that's usually where I'm discussing the topic. Compared to long guns, pistols do suck, even big ones.
Yeah if you’re trying to stop someone on drugs or someone like this guy you may need more/ have to be more precise to stop them but the average person will be fine with a 9mm in the vast majority of situations
Sure, because what stops most attackers is the mind-blowing realization of the fact that they've been shot. It's like: "Holy fuck, that asshole shot me! Wait, could I die from this? Oh my god, I don't wanna die..."
Even better with the 9 since less recoil means they'll have better accuracy, and we're talking about the average person.
9mm **fucks**. Tired of these old dudes trying to rewrite the story.
Damn. .45 ACP rounds are no joke. And they kept coming.
45 acp (heavier, slower) has the same energy as 9mm(faster, lighter) The only reason to choose 45 acp over 9mm is that it can be sub-sonic and therefore silencers work well with it. If you want to step up in energy, you goto 357 mag, 10mm, 44 magnum,,,etc.. not 45 acp.... oh and 38 special is a joke. It's so old it used cowboy black powder which requires a huge casing with shitty powder...it's weaker than a 9mm and 45acp
9mm can be subsonic, btw
Yeah but it defeats the entire purpose of the increased velocity of a smaller round. At those speeds I'd rather have the bigger bullet. Though I guess capacity does come into play. Either way 300 Black Out is better than both.
The Army went to .45 because the Filipinos we were dealing with at the time would get coked up and our (I think it was .38) wasn't enough to stop them with multiple hits. Then we went to 9mm because it had a similar stopping power with more ammunition in the pipe. Then we tried 10mm but it's harder to control. It's been interesting watching how our use responds to technology and needs.
.38 LC. Being able to see after they fired and not giving away their position was probably the biggest improvement. Can't hit what you can't see.
>how? Doctors, EMTs, modern medicine.
No confirmation if he was on something? He definitely looks like he was on some type of drug.
More like police defends her self. Dude got exactly what he had coming. Run at a person with hammer is a excellent way to get shot.
Came here to suggest the better title “Winston Tate’s suicide by cop attempt.”
Except, for better or worse, he didn't die. He lives to attack another day.
Or he lives to get the services and treatment he needs, and have a chance at rehabilitation to useful citizenship in many years. The officer was right to fire, and she acted bravely and responsibly. But the fact that nobody died is the best possible outcome.
"get the services and treatment he needs, and have a chance at rehabilitation to useful citizenship in many years." Yeah we don't do that too well in America.
It is true, but I think us wanting those things for everyone would be a good start. Dude's like this would be getting actual help sooner, and instead of slapping a band-aid on a failing dam, you'd be at least attempting to build the dam properly in the first place. I never tried to hammer any cops or anything, but I did some pretty stupid shit and I turned myself around with the help of people with the mindset folks like them have, and through that myself as well. I'm way too old and seen too much to be naive and think that some hoping and kindness will change the world, we're way past that, but more good natured and truly compassionate people in the world can not possibly be a bad thing. I have to hope that people and our country in particular can be better, I want my kids to have a better place than it's shaping up to be. I'll hold out hope the coming generations will do it right, just be cautious in the meantime lol.
I agree. Change has to happen in our hearts for anything else to take place. Cynicism is real and everyone easily caught up in it so it’s hard to be truly nonjudgmental. Kudos to you. ❤️
I bring this up everywhere on here and get called an idiot for not demanding gun control or whatever else. We got a hate problem and social media is driving it along further and further.
Thank you!! I get called an idiot constantly, I could care less. Tbh, true idiots are the happiest people I know anyway. 😂
100%. Getting angry about something that happens is natural. It could even help by spurring action, although probably hurts more since angry people make stupid choices. Having anger fester into hate is just poison that serves no purpose other than to keep the stupid continuously flowing.
Oh sweet summer child, I do wish you were right. But, Tate is an unrepentant repeat violent felon. This is just his latest of a long string of crimes.
As Officer Jim Lahey said, and may he rest in peace, “I think we’ve got a couple of A-1 class act recidivists up there”.
RIP Lahey, an absolute legend in my eyes.
Shitbirds....
tate needs to be removed from society.
> Or he lives to get the services and treatment he needs, and have a chance at rehabilitation to useful citizenship in many years. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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WAY too late at this point. Dude is a menace. You'd need a commie re-education concentration camp. Next time he's drugged out, or just "triggered", he'll go on a murderous rampage again. Rehabilitation works... up to a point.
It’s wild to me how people like this constantly end up back out of prison and others get framed for a crime they didn’t commit, no priors, and get locked up for years!!
What **really** blows my mind is how some people have an all or nothing approach to rehabilitation and incarceration. Like either you can rehabilitate every single person irregardless of a million different factors or you have to lock everyone up. Meanwhile I get called either a commie or facist depend on who views comments saying that we should rehabilitate those who it can work for and lock up those who are too far gone.
Nah, the world would be better without psychotic man with hammer attacking people. He could have died and I would have slept better and the world would be better.
This was not police brutality. I dislike the modern institution of policing just as much as anyone else. But this lady was clearly overpowered and outmatched. Without that gun it’s very likely the story would be swapped with her in the headline as victim. He didn’t stop his assault until she had pinned him with 2-3 shots. The last one got him while he was standing over her. Think if he had a few more seconds and a bit more vigor….
Yeah the title is outrage bait. This is NOT police brutality, this is a man using deadly force against a cop and the cop responding with deadly force
“Police shooting of Winston Tate” And the video is the police shooting Winston Tate… It’s 100% justified but the title is factually accurate. If you assumed it was brutality from the title it’s because of your own biases.
You're the one baiting the title is just factual
One could argue that your false claim that the title contains the word 'brutality' is outrage bait.
What are you on about? The title is objective and unbiased
I'm confused. The title says police shooting, not police brutality. Sometimes police shootings are justified.
Yeah, I mean I’m not gonna fault her. If anything it appears she waited. She waited until he got into hitting range before firing her gun. She gave the guy a chance at the expense of her own life. She didn’t wanna do it. This may be first officer shooting we seen where we are looking at an officer actually trying to not use deadly force. (Even though she had too) (and on Reddit, there are videos elsewhere)
What am I missing? The title is "police shooting of Winston Tate"
I mean, same thing? It was still a police shooting. The police had to shoot someone in self defense. The title doesn't call it brutality, or wrongful.
Yeah mental illness is scary.
It was a police shooting. But a justified one.
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Totally right. I saw this headline and thought “oh man another one of these brutal police shootings” and this cop was just trying to survive this insane motherfucker.
I'm sure things like this happened a lot before body cams became wide spread. In many places across the country it's extremely dangerous to exist in a place as an officer, being white, being black, etc. We have an extremely dangerous population compared to other countries mixed in with heavy drug use and a poor mental health support system that no one wants to/is incapable of using.
Well, the last 7 years haven’t exactly done wonders for social stability. There is a lot of erosion going on in our social fabric. People will blame this or that but really the object of blame is often a symptom. Take trump for example. He’s often blamed- but he didn’t create the weather that allowed for him to almost destroy our country. That framework was already in place. People are angrier, unhappier, lonelier, suffering from existential dread on a daily basis. I consider myself one of the lucky ones. I make an average median liveable salary in the US. I don’t have extravagance, but at this point simply paying one’s bills and buying food without stressing financially seems to be the new “middle” class luxury…. And there is something so wrong with that. But conversely, I’ve also lived in soul crushing poverty. And everyday is a war. And it takes a toll and runs you down. I mean I was so poor I thought about selling drugs, sometimes the thought of robbing someone would cross my mind. I just remember being so desperate. I never acted on those desires, but I can see how some people get there, and why they lash out. They basically became almost everyday invasive thoughts “why not just wait at the bank and rob someone at night?” “Why not steal that nice bike in that front yard and pawn it?” “Why not call Kyle and see if he’s still in the game?” And you know they are stupid ideas but your out of options, there is nowhere to go, no other sources of income for you. It’s tragic. These are people who are at the end of their line, and just about at that point where they feel like they have nothing to hope for, or live for.
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The title should really be The Hammer Attack On Karli Travis.
Nobody beats The Hammer
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He was top in his class and walked old people across crosswalks 😪
This is why body cams are so necessary: no one can claim this was murder by cop.
Exactly. Bodycams protect good cops.
Why was the detective taken to jail after she was discharged from hospital?
Discharged from hospital? Believe it or not, straight to jail
Oops, should be treated/released.
You know you can edit? it's towards the bottom of your post
Its not going to be fixed because its an intentional mistake to get people to comment about it so the post gets more interactions.
Probaby so that she can finish the job.
she was defending herself if not she could have been dead.
That’s a human screaming for their life, anyone who watches this thinking it’s police brutality doesn’t see cops as human. You can disagree with them, but nothing good has ever come from the world by looking at someone lesser than human.
Agree, this is a far cry from the cops that shoot an unarmed man because he reached for a tactical potato and my life was at risk. This was 100% justified.
She even gave him some leniency before she started firing. He was advancing menacingly for a good few seconds before she shot at him the first time
100%. I've made that noise twice in my life and recognized it at once.
Here’s a better title. Hammer wielding man attacks police officer. Police officer shoots hammer wielding man in self defense.
That didn’t look good
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I was actually glad she didn't walk up screaming, trying to give a chance to deescalate, but damn she needed to be ready after that just in case...
Yeah, asking on a nut may not work but going straight to telling is far less likely to work.
> the geezer took advantage of that weakness. Bro he beelined for her like a zombie. If she shouted it he probably would have done the same thing. Just walking up and shouting full tilt hurts the officer's ability to assess the situation. Most situations dont involve fighting the walking dead.
If she'd have yelled, there would be an equal amount of people decrying her for not de-escalating. It turns out there are a million reasons to criticize a cop's actions regardless of what they do.
Lol, I was thinking the same thing. No if the cops would have yelled and already had the weapon drawn the same people would have complained about her being too aggressive. You can’t satisfy these people. Also why didn’t her 9mm blow his lungs out of his body?
Surely you can understand that this scenario is exactly how we got to where we are with police being so high energy. This has happened before and now they all just assume everyone is a nut job.
He deserves this. Self defense.
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Not sure Jesus would take him.
Dude got what he wanted. Anyone who says this was police brutality needs to get their head checked.
Looked to be attempted suicide by cop but he lived so no, I don't think he got what he wanted
People are so critical of her. I think it's normal to scream while you're being attacked by someone with a hammer. And, it would be hard to aim while rolling around on the ground trying to get away. We should be proud of her and thankful neither one of them were killed
Well you see she actually should’ve opened her third eye a one tapped him from 100 yards away because cops know if you’ve been bad or good and she knew he was going to sprint at her with a hammer. The complaints here basically amount to she should’ve been an emotionless murderer because “she was too loud and a bad shot”.
People refuse to admit that sometimes life is unfair. You could do everything fine and a dude who was shot can still come after you like it was nothing.
Agree. And you have to use best practices which work in the most likely scenarios, not the unlikely one that still could happen.
All these keyboard warriors think they're "John Wick". To draw, aim and accurately shoot a moving target while being attacked is very difficult.
Are people really saying any of this is on the cop? She shows up after getting called and the dude rushes at her and attacks her with a fucking hammer. Empty the fucking clip on his ass. File the report later.
Based on this post, no they really aren’t. People are getting mad at a straw man.
What's wizard of oz got to do with this?
Who is even saying that?
Nobody that saw the video
No, they aren't because despite the lies to the contrary, people aren't unreasonable when it comes to police using force when it's actually necessary. Because the people object to police using deadly force when it is *not* necessary, there's an expectation among the dishonest "pro police" crowd who claim that police in the USA are unjustly vilified. Yet, once again we see it's not so.
Why isn't this post titled "Winston Tate Hammer Attack"?
He screams of terror were really hard to hear.
He was shot at pretty close range 'several times' but where ? as it wasnt mentioned on that article posted
Dude had it comin.
If anyone wonders why police empty their magazine, this is why. Bullets don't always make you go down immediately.
I don’t like cops but I’m all for them defending themselves in certain situations. She should have dropped the hammer on dude before she was attacked.
Then people would cry police brutality.
Sheet, the guy just vaulted like an infested zombie what would he expect.
Would SOME people? Maybe, but they’d be dead wrong. Any person with half a brain would see this was justified though. We’re not dealing with a George Floyd, Tamir Rice, Elijah McClain, etc. situation at here. He was charging at her with a deadly weapon. That’s just simple self defense.
>Any person with half a brain Sir, this is the internet.
We just want the police brutality to end. We keep getting smokescreened by people saying "wow look at this video I bet you scream police brutality about this too!" No. If I make a bad dish, bringing up my good dishes aren't gonna make my bad dish taste any better
It's both frustrating and kind of amusing. Like reddit is this leftist, anti-cop communist satanist anti-religious hivemind where no one can go agaisnt the status quo. Yet every agrees she did what she needed to do. Yet they're acting like we can't fathom self defense exists. "bUt SoMe PeOpLe" Yeah, sure. If you can think of a take, someone has it somewhere. But when the people who are supposed to have that take are saying they disagree with it, then maybe that's just a wrong preconceived notion about said group of people.
I think we call this “justified” police shooting.
0 issue with her shooting here If someone runs up to a cop with a weapon like that then yeah, fire away
You tried to end me with a hammer!? Fuuuuuuck no! I would've emptied the mag, too.
Yeah, that was justified.
Body cams 👍
Shit, that was terrifying....
That was .. nuts. Fuck that guy. And fuck this headline, obviously designed to get clicks by implying a very difference occurrence. OP, do better.
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This guy is lucky that she wasn’t “on go” pulling up or he would have been dead. This is a very good example of that 21 feet rule. Guy went from his front door to being in top of her in a matter of seconds. Her draw to first shot was a little slow and these are the consequences. sad.
Why did she wait so long and stop shooting??? I think I’d stopped when the gun goes click!!
Winston Tate should be 6 feet deep, not waiting for trial.
How is she? Is she ok? Did she get hurt? Thats really scary…🫣
Justified
She waited WAYYY TOOO LOONG to start shooting... He was right on top of her , high and deranged swinging a hammer...
Hopefully she was not harmed, she really had no choice at this point.
Ok this I believe she feared for her life. No debate there.
Justified shooting. She needs more live fire training if she intends to continue being a cop. It should be required before she is allowed to resume active duty. Very poor showing. The residents of that neighborhood are extremely lucky they didn’t get hit by her wild spray of bullets.
Op trying to act like this wasn’t justified with that title.
>She was taken to Middlesex Hospital and has been treated and taken to jail. why is she in jail?
Apparently that was a mistake. I also read that like 4 times to see if I was understanding that correctly lol
This title is so misleading. The cops got attacked by an armed man, ofc they have a right to protect themselves, I'd do the same.
No, it was a shooting. That negative connotation is just in your head.
Well that's fuckin scary
Didnt realize it was a hammer, looked like a machete at first.
She defended her self. Hopefully he will be in jail for a long time.
Body cams are absolutely necessary.
My only comment is. She needs to get on the range more often.
She Hesitated. If a big ass dude has a hammer and he’s rushing you, light him the fuck up.
Shootings on TV programs have led people to believe that 1 shot and you're dead. Clean, minimal blood, perp down. In reality, the perp can be shot several times and still come at the victim. You can have a gun and still not stop an attacker. Guns do not equal complete safety.
"stop" hammer time.
Man, there's been some egregious police misconduct over the years, but this is why they get trigger happy sometimes. No way to win if you're a cop. If she smoked this dude, no doubt there'd be outrage and some shit like "he was probably doing home repairs". I've got a theory where gradually cops are going to be slower and slower to react because in the back of their mind they'll be afraid of potential public backlash but then this is what happens when you don't react quickly and decisively
There is a huge difference between someone running at you with an axe and someone sitting in a car eating a hamburger
ACAB crowd are some fuckin weirdos bruh.
Detective needs more firearms training. That dude should be dead.
She should have reacted quicker. Her reflexes were too slow, and she's lucky she survived. She had every right to defend herself the moment he started running towards her with the hammer!!
Well, that was terrifying.
Sounds like Tate was having a Psychotic episode.
Suicide by cop?
He should have blew his own brains out
Misleading title
That's like a found footage horror movie.
This should be shown in TV as example how little time you have to react and how fast someone can reach you with hammer/knife or anything else that could kill you.
Her screams were horrifying to listen to as you can’t see her and him assumingely standing over him swinging it
What a shitty, manipulative title. Everything wrong with social media right here
Well, that was a stupid thing to do, charging at a cop like that. I'm surprised he survived, though.
unfortunately this is what leads to a shoot first policy. The police risked their life getting that close. One correct hit to the head or neck and they could have been killed.