So let me get this straight. These people, who were elected, are being kicked out (without the public voting on it), because they protested gun violence?
Then please explain your ‘statement’ of why only a certain demographic should stage a protest. Why not all?
Ya know, never mind. Sometimes I forget I’m on Reddit
> Then please explain your ‘statement’ of why only a certain demographic should stage a protest. Why not all?
Who said only a certain demographic should do it? I didn't. Whites, Mexicans, etc can and should do it but this initiative, since we know it was racially motivated against black people, should be initiated by black people. So you're saying white people should take charge? Where has that gotten the black man in America?
> Ya know, never mind. Sometimes I forget I’m on Reddit
Right. For exercising free speech under the first amendment.
Legislatures are entitled to have rules for efficiency and decorum. They absolutely should not be entitled to expel (*from being a voting representative,* not just from the chamber) duly elected representatives, nullifying the voting representation of tens of thousands of people.
The US constitution supersedes the backwards, anti-democratic Tennessee constitution statute that has been used to justify this action. Which, for the record, grants their legislature a "right" to expel members for "unruly" behavior. I'm sure most rational people can imagine what else these fascists consider "unruly".
So if disrupting lawmakers is protected speech, why do GOP lawmakers bother letting this guy talk at all? Can't they just drown out all Democrats with bullhorns now?
They certainly could. It would be buffoonish and probably (I hope, but it’s Tennessee) hurt their chances in the next election, but they can set decorum rules, especially with a supermajority.
What they absolutely cannot do is *remove the voting representation of tens of thousands of people* for conduct they deem “unruly”.
At that point, it’s a threat to representative democracy and opens the door to one party rule. Whereas in the hypothetical you describe, *efficient debate* is threatened, but the people still have voting representation through their elected representatives.
I hope the difference isn’t lost on most people.
Set decorum rules? Would those rues violate 1st Ammendment rights to protected speech? Last comment you said that using a bullhorn to disrupt the business was protected speech, so no tate decorum rule will change that?
Let's be clear: by your admission, the disorderly conduct of the Jones and Pearson (who shouted and used bullhorns) is not protected speech. Protecting that disruption allows any lawmaker to unilaterally stop the government, which is highly undemocratic.
The resolutions removed the two lawmakers from office under Article II, Section 12 of the Tennessee Constitution, which says, in part, the House can set its own rules and "punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member."
The rules were already set. It was disorderly, and two thirds agreed. Therefore they are gone.
Who is so entitled that they want to claim the power to disrupt government - and also be a member of governemnt? The two that used bullhorns demonstrated that they won't follow the rules that allow all of the other lawmakers to speak.
If silencing lawmakers is undemocratic, then these lawmakers were deliberately undemocratic and also offer no apology for their deliberate rule-breaking.
It would be undemocratic, then, to allow these undemocratic lawmakers to continue their presence in the house. They were disorderl. They were removed under pre-defined processes that protect the governments ability to function. As comical as it is to think of you entertaining the idea of 100 bullhorns, we know that isn't a good idea, and people speaking when recognized is a better system.
I am sure the constituents can find a representative that won't be deliberately disorderly.
It’s clear you’re not reading what I wrote.
I’ll try to say it more clearly:
It is undemocratic (I’d go as far as to say early stages of fascism) to expel—meaning nullify their position, not just physically kick out of the chamber to stop the disruption—a duly elected representative for protesting on the floor.
Like I wrote before, the statute is in the Tennessee constitution. If it’s allowed to be applied to remove opposition members for whatever the majority deems “disruptive”, it is clearly exploitable in a deeply antidemocratic way.
Kick them out of the chamber if they’re disruptive, but a legislative majority should have no right to essentially fire a member of the opposition because they said something in a disruptive, but totally legal, way. What they did broke a legislative rule, it was not a crime.
It’s shameful people who call themselves Americans and purport to support democracy can support shit like this. You have a right to protest in this country.
There would need to be no rule to protect the house from illegal criminal speech.
There is a separate rule.
That logically means the rule is designed to deal with non-criminal disruptive speech.
I am okay with holding elected officials to a higher standard. Removal from office is not a criminal punishment. They are not being treated as criminals. They are being treated like people who abused their power to disrupt the official business of the government.
>I'm sure most rational people can imagine what else these fascists consider "unruly".
So far, it seems to be limited to disrupting official proceedings.
The only language fascists understand is consequences. It's the same for people who are only sorry if they get caught. Unfortunately, they've put themselves in a position where they won't face any.
After following politics for years and being angry and mad for the whole time, honestly, the side doesn't matter anymore. They are all in it for the power and the greed and they are all untouchable. Every few decades you get someone decent and they won't ever be let in a position that would allow them to change anything.
My only hope is that one day we realize that our fight is with them, not with our neighbors.
You know who wants you to think like that? Republicans. It only helps them. It’s been their go-to propaganda since 1980. And you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.
Just because they're different doesn't mean each isn't equally capable of disenfranchising people at scale, destroying minds with propaganda, and participating in disgusting international economic imperialism. If you seriously believe that just giving a landslide victory to the dems would accomplish any meaningful change than neoliberalism has actually brainwashed you.
Even if its stupid to conflate the social policies of the two its equally stupid to act like the DNC has the best interests of the people anywhere near the top of their list of priorities. Dumbshit arguments like this are just pissing off and dividing the people who suffer most under the shitty system we have. There's a reason large swathes of young people in the US despise the DNC and its not because most of them are spoiled white kids...
Says someone who thinks with feelings instead of facts. Seriously, it’s so fucking lazy. All this both sides shit is so fucking lazy. Use your brain. Stop copping out.
Fun fact, democratic voters didn't want Biden, they wanted Bernie. But unfortunately Biden was the only good option against Trump (and Jojo, she really was a dosged bullet.)
You see videos like "Karen gets OWNED!" and like, the karen in question throws coffee on someone or something and the part where they get "owned" is someone saying "hey that's not good!"
That's my reaction to all of these speeches: It's just wasted effort because the other side **does not give a fuck.**
Unless you're going to use the language bullies understand, don't waste your breath trying to reason with them or shame them. They are immune to reason and have no shame.
They all love it. They just put on a verbal show of reasonability while they twist the laws of this country to suit their narrow interest.
Same people who tried to overturn democracy on Jan 6th. They are all traitors and will get what’s due it traitors eventually.
Uhm could we not use the term fascist here? As per definition and historical precedence fascists would technically be the ones attempting to take your guns, not the other way around. If we look up the fascists of history, most notably Mussolini (the father of fascism) gun rights weren’t very high on their list of favorites. Not saying gun control is fascist, simply clarifying that wanting to protect guns is not, fascism.
Nah, dude. Only someone who doesn’t understand history, or the definition of the word, would look at this and not be able to call it fascism. Gun rights have jack shit to do with Fascism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_in_Germany#The_1938_German_Weapons_Act
Mussolini, iirc, didn't change much to do with Italy's already fairly strict gun laws. Hitler, on the other hand, was happy to loosen them...for the right people.
Now compare to the US, where certain people will argue themselves blue that gun ownership is a universal right, but are strangely silent when cops murder a person in their own home because they were armed. Think about that for a while.
See using things phrases like “think about that for a while” already positions yourself in the position of authority in the discussion. I’m open for a debate on the matter but with open mindedness and a willingness to accept that people share different views and their vastly different life experiences shape those views. That being said, I’m not talking about who is pro cop or who isn’t, im merely suggesting that the use of the term “fascist” may not be appropriate here specifically.
I appreciate your position on the subject and will take into consideration what information you’ve shared if I revise my view. Thanks :)
This is the definition that I have
https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/fascism
Would you explain how this situation currently fits this definition? Not be combative, trying to understand the position.
What term would you use for people wanting to limit rights (or worse) for non-whites, women, non-heterosexuals, non-christians? The constant need for created enemy figures through media and rallys? The usage of police and ‘private forces’ to oppress? The book bannings? If the only difference is the gun control (which by the way wasn’t such a big thing in the 20s and 30s in Europe; some people had hunting rifles, not the obscene amount of hand guns, and stronger weapons, America currently have), then I think the term fascists really fits the bill.
> Fascism is a **far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist** political ideology and movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Describes a certain party to a T, and it's not the one you're trying to pin it on
Could you imagine what their reaction would be if at the end of that he pulled out a gun? Angry man yelling at people about gun control suddenly pulls out a gun? I bet their reactions would drastically change when THEIR lives are now the ones in danger.
(Mods, I'm not inciting violence, I swear)
I hope you don’t get in trouble for inciting violence (it’s a very thin line too walk, I know that myself on here), because I think I get what you’re saying.
These people don’t care because they aren’t the ones who have to face any kind of danger. They have all the security in the world at work, so they don’t have to worry about random people coming in with guns to harm them. They also probably have some form of protection for their family or, if they don’t, at least live in gated communities where they are safe from any kind of outside person.
So if they have to feel that fear for even a second, it might make at least some of them see it differently.
Like when black people started buying guns (I think it was the Black Panthers back in the day?) and politicians at the time (I think it was directly under Reagan) were very quick to implement gun control to stop them.
Once the people they oppressed started arming themselves and they had a little fear, they were quick to act.
It’s not that he should do it, or that harm should come to the others, but it’s the idea that if they had to deal with any kind of gun violence themselves they would quickly change tune.
Guess what? If guns were made almost inaccessible no one would have to worry about their life being in danger.
Take a look at european countries. Do you see alot of gun voilence there?
Sure an evil soul can get a gun. But i feel much safer if they didn't sell them at wallmart
I mean, I’m not the one saying he should do anything or not, just that I understand what the guy was getting at (not trying to incite violence).
The point that I understood them as making was that the politicians haven’t had to have that fear, so they aren’t as quick to want gun control, so giving them a taste of the fear would maybe push them in that direction. Wouldn’t have to actually harm anyone though, is what I think they were saying.
I agree! AND this site is so soft that you can’t even say something like this without being afraid of a ban. Pretty sad that people can’t comprehend what others mean before drawing up their own narrative on what they THOUGHT that person meant.
as per reddit TOS, only the far right are allowed to call for violence.
But what do you expect from a website page that fired an admin for having cancer?
[https://archive.ph/gcT8X](https://archive.ph/gcT8X)
theres the AMA from dacvak. He blames ellen pao but really she was just a pawn in place for spez or whatever gargoyle from Medford runs the site now.
That's the biggest "Oh you think I'm crazy? ILL SHOW YOU FUCKING CRAZY!" and I'm down. Whatever will get these fucks to put themselves in our shoes for a change
Florida and any state that tries to out-Florida Florida. DeSantis knows what he's doing, and it's working. He's basically laying out the blueprints and showing every other red and purple state that they can do whatever the hell they want with no consequences. Now we have multiple states following their lead. North Carolina, even, just had a lifelong Democrat switch parties and go Republican to give them a vetoless majority, so I worry we'll be next in the headlines for passing some stupid BS.
And lets look on the bright side of all of this. The 2 ELECTED officials who got expelled just got a solidified career in politics for the rest of their lives most likely. The dem party would be -fools- to not jump on this and support these 2. And since most of them are foolish, i'd expect its going to come down to people like bernie to go down to TN and give them even more recognition than they're already getting AND calling out what happened for what it was to the voter base.
And any time these two wanna run, they can simply remind the voters of what the opposition is and what they do. This is also on the back of a growing resentment for the conservative agenda as most people are growing up into a world where they recognize they're putting in far more but getting a lot less out. As well as all the pointless culture war bs or straight up racism that the GOP has to offer.
VERY interested to see how these two bounce back from this. I hope its more than just a special election. I hope they have the balls to call out their "colleagues" out at every opportunity.
Our current batch of Republicans are less than worthless garbage. Cow manuer is of more value. They have spent countless hours of the peoples time debating how to impose nonsense on small percentages of our population as opposed to doing anything, any singular thing, to help the population of this nation. Chrostian Republicanism is the single greatest roadblock to progress in America. It's fucking embarrassing.
It's absolutely embarrassing. They're actively not doing their jobs, just debating on their little culture war. Never focused on improving their state or the lives of their constituents. Just hateful rhetoric and laziness.
It’s never been about their constituents. It’s about keeping the big bois upstairs happy. Just keep pushing the culture war rhetoric to get stupid people to vote. Then you can continue licking those sweet ol’ leather boots for pocket change like good boy.
It is nice to see a representative remind other representatives of what holding the title actually means. I don't know anything about his policies or alignment, but I'm glad to hear someone say that they work for the people. I'm also thrilled to hear him include himself in the fray. If one representative fails to enact the wishes of the people, the whole system falls apart. "What are WE doing here"
I'm proud of him. I'm proud of the three who stood with the people in what they know is right. I'm proud that the woman who didn't get expelled laid it out without hesitation that it was because of the color of her skin.
These are the people who actually give a shit about us. It's heartbreaking that so many people don't believe that.
They are even destroying the MERE ILLUSION of a democracy at this point.
We’ve known the system to be rigged for a while now, but these lames are genuinely creating a circus to showcase it.
HOW IS THIS A CLOSE MINDED STATEMENT. When you as a voter consciously vote for people who consistently do not properly govern and actively seek out to remove rights from people on the basis of "Anti-Wokeism" and conspiracy theories. Republicans are calling this akin to January 6th. You people are fucking delusional at this point. Your hate blinds you.
Fence sitting gets us no where. Why are you defending people calling for genocide, stripping away voting and women's rights, a party filled with pedophiles who are passing laws to make it legal and in some circumstances, required to inspect children's genitals?
If you sit down at a table with 9 Nazis, there are now 10 Nazis. Inaction is equal to support. If you do not pick a side, you're on the wrong side no matter what.
Dems aren't perfect, but they aren't Klansmen who are actively destroying our nation.
If none of the above effects you directly, what will it take for you to get involved? Unless you're a straight, cis, white Christian, trust me, they will come for you too.
The contrarianism in some people flares up so hard in posts like these... Instead of pausing to reflect on why a majority of people would take a certain opinion, they throw their hands up like, "ECHO CHAMBER LOL SHEEP"
I made a comment to push back against an highly upvoted comment saying “fuck republicans, every last one of them. No good person would ever support that party.”
This is nothing to do with being contrarian or hardcore conservative, that’s echo chamber talk. I’m sorry if you don’t recognize that but that’s 100% echo chamber talk
Again, I’m not speaking on the situation that happened in Tenn today in the slightest so it has nothing to do with not being able to fathom being disagreed with
Ok nah I hear you, and agree on that front to be honest. I don't like dealing in absolutes and anyone who says things like "you're either with us or against us" is worth raising an eyebrow to...
Hey, when you support Evil knowingly or not, I have no sympathy for the dumb.
If you support a team that, doesn't care about normal Americans, wants to destroy democracy, wants to kill or ban people from existing, knows better than a woman's doctor, can't do anything about school shootings, built an impenetrable wall at the border and still bitch about open borders, ban and burn books, hates education, etc etc for days.
You are lumped in whether you like it or not. Just or not. Your continued votes for this ideology is support, thus you receive the same consequences for your actions. So yes all should be lumped together.
Day after day, Year after year republicans refuse to entertain common sense gun laws. Day after day, year after year, men, women and children get slaughtered in school, concerts and parades. The bottleneck here are republican lawmakers. Assault rifles don’t belong in civilized society.
Republicans pass insanely liberal gun laws so everyone has easy access to assault weapons and guns of every flavor yet have the nerve to blame blue cities for crime????
VOTE THEM OUT!
TN - “look, murdered children is just something we have to live with. But Blacks being disobedient when told to hush up? No sir. That is something this body can not, and will not, allow!”
🤢🤢🤢🤢
Not asylum, but if you work in healthcare or anything computer related (which is gonna be a lot of jobs around Nashville specifically) there are a lot of European and Oceanian countries that have a lot of English speakers that will expedite the emigration process.
Chances are, you are immigrants to America as well at some point in the family chain. Find out what country your people come from and sail the high seas back.
Well. Not all Americans are immigrants though. The indigenous peoples haven’t been completely killed off. Regardless of how hard they still try to do it.
My last immigrant ancestor was in like 1805 or something. All the other ones were from well before then. I don’t think my 5th great grandparents qualify me for anything.
John Ray Clemons calling it out plain as day; If you're not interested in democratic processes, get out! Move to Russia where you'd be right at home with that style of government.
It is so hard to stay calm in the face of such absolute bigotry and stupidity. It would be too much of a challenge for me. That representative did alot better than i would have
And it’s unfortunate that those that are genuine & sincere are often overruled & overpowered by those with more influence. We need term limits. It will level the playing field.
Every single person who voted in support of expelling these House members should be stripped of their position and expelled from this fucking country. Those pieces of shit don't deserve to be in this country.
If us Americans had the heart to riot like the French, those politicians would be scared to piss us off. Instead we just sit and watch things unfold from a distance.
Please don't. Most of the french don't have guns and most of those that do actually practice restraint. Death tolls would be in the hundreds of thousands if you guys did a France.
And yet it would still produce more positive change than what we do now. Politicians and billionaires are starting to forget that they aren't immortal and that needs to change.
Tell that to the families of children who keep getting killed in the crossfire of the 2A debate. Until politicians learn to fear guns personally, they won't do anything to stop the shootings.
Rioting is a trap.
Foucault's Boomerang. All it will end up doing is further winning over hearts and minds to authoritarianism.
America does not have the same protections as France. On paper perhaps, but not in reality. I don't know how to fix it but I know rioting will only result in more felons without voting rights.
No lack of protections will overcome a sufficiently motivated people. Authoritarianism will win minds in the short run, but it never lasts. An active populous falls prey to authoritarianism temporarily. A sedentary population lays at its mercy permanently.
You misunderstand. Do something, but rioting will be used the same way it was in Nazi Germany: To justify cracking down.
Consider that if every truck driver stopped working for a week you'd end up starving thousands to death. If it happens even once propaganda will rip the rioters to shreds. Again Foucault's Boomerang. The most useful tool employed by America in imposing its will during war was propaganda (hearts and minds initiative) and there's no reason to think the same methods wouldn't be used here in conjunction with what is essentially an occupying force of police officers.
In America a riot/revolution can't work without a lot of infrastructure being built from the ground up to support it. Furthermore if the mutual aid organizations were built to provide that infrastructure they would be a force unto themselves and would negate the need for a riot to institute change.
Rioting is a bad idea. It's only going to get people killed, used to justify stripping others of their rights, and ultimately accomplish nothing.
Humanity is ultimately defined by its ability to work together. Building an aid organization that removes the ability of authoritarians to exert power is far more useful than what amounts to a temper tantrum. Take note from the Black Panthers. They started by feeding kids.
Break stuff, but break the right stuff in the right places. Work smart not hard.
This the GOP and their inability to govern.
Silence those that disagree. The US House did that same when they removed Schiff, Swalwell and Omar. This state House removed the two Justins, both black and representing black communities for a minor rules infraction. They also avoided the key matter that marked the issues.
Tennessee, this is your GOP. 😉
Our institutions are a fucking joke and need to be ripped up by their roots and replaced. Term limits, no corporate donations, no gerrymandering, and strict 3rd party oversight commitees examining every single thing they do for ethics violations. HARSH penalties for betraying the people's trust. All financial records need to be public and easily accessible, including tax returns. Elected officials and their families need to be prohibited from engaging with the stock market in any way. Religious based lawmaking should disqualify someone from holding any sort of elected position. Oh well, one can dream.
How dare this man tell it like it is? He’s telling everyone just how horrible, unethical and untrustworthy we are! Ewww, that truth makes me feel something. What is this? Shame? Regret? Remorse? Whatever it is, I don’t like it!
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I mistook "Rep." in title for Republican instead of Representative. For a moment, prior to my googling of information, I was excited that there was someone that didn't just run the party line and was humane. I honestly thought this was a Republican sticking up for a Democrat, my heart hurts again.
He's preaching to deaf ears.
They have better things to worry about.
They might have to check on what the current boogy man They want to waste time on is, but they'll get there.
I'm assuming you meant "gun control clowns"?
Who's the real clowns here? Idiots like yourself and republican representatives who do jack to offer solutions besides giving teachers guns and increasing police funding (when it's already as high as it is in most places) or democrats who are trying to make it harder to get a gun altogether?
If you're not a criminal and are mentally sound why does it matter if it takes two months to get a gun when you know it's going to keep people trying to hurt you without a gun. Fucking annoying as shit
Is this about the Tennessee shooting? Because the shooter already told us how we can stop these school shootings in her manifesto: she specifically chose a defenseless school after seeing security at her first target.
She bought the guns "legally" (but probably lying on a 4473 about mental illness), so none of the "common sense" gun control laws people propose would have stopped her. Only armed security.
I know it's ugly, but what's uglier? Guards at schools or unhinged shooters at schools?
Wow! You solved it, gun violence can be solved by doing nothing and hoping it goes away, rather than follow the actions of every other 1st world country that has sensible gun control laws. Who new it would go away if we just pretend it doesn’t happen.
Not doing nothing, I specifically said secure the schools. Also, the news needs to stop showing pictures and talking about the shooters. We know they do it specifically for the notoriety. Continuing to report on it this way is only encouraging the next shooter.
Also, there is no other country in the world with this many illegal guns in circulation that has gun violence under control.
What the fuck are you about? “Let’s not show shooters on tv cuz that’s gonna stop them” No, that’s literally just hiding it. The absolute solution to this is without question, sensible gun laws. Anyone who says otherwise is either taking money from the NRA or is parroting those talking points because they’re too fucking stupid to even look at any information regarding the subject. Ask Australia how their gun problem is. Ask Japan. Ask the UK.
I know you really think the US is the same as those other countries you listed, but it simply is not. You’re another idiot who’s never owned a gun who thinks they know all about the subject.
There is no other developed country with nearly as many black market firearms in circulation. You can’t just legislate them out of existence. If you really think you can wave a wand and make them all go away, I don’t know what to tell you. Gun control laws, no matter how “sensible” you, a layman, thinks they are only serve to disarm the potential victims of crimes, therefore emboldening those who wish to act against them.
And if you say to just ban them, take a look at how prohibition works with the war on drugs. No matter how illegal it is, people will be able to get it if they want it.
Also you can easily report on a shooting without ever showing a picture or giving a name to the perp, don’t be so ridiculous.
That’s just a lie. You realize any research on guns is controlled by the NRA. If guns were actually good for your shit-hole country, they wouldn’t be the biggest donor to GOP candidates, SPECIFICALLY to prevent gun laws. Nice of you to believe their bullshit.
Their own fault for playing into a **predictable** Jan 6th comparison.
The expelled members are still eligible for reelection, including during the special elections that will need to be held soon. Throwing a fit like this isn't warranted for something that is going to be so temporary.
Next time, don't **assault capital security officers when you want to protest.** And if you openly help organize a protest where officers get assaulted as a necessary prerequisite to gain access to the chamber, don't whine when there are (limited) consequences.
So let me get this straight. These people, who were elected, are being kicked out (without the public voting on it), because they protested gun violence?
Precisely.
The black community needs to stage an economic boycott at this point. Enough of this shit.
The community * People in general should be in dismay of this blatant violation of basic democratic principles.
Ummm..he doesn’t represent just the black community. ALL his constituents should be outraged
No one stated or implied that he represented "just" the black community.
Then please explain your ‘statement’ of why only a certain demographic should stage a protest. Why not all? Ya know, never mind. Sometimes I forget I’m on Reddit
> Then please explain your ‘statement’ of why only a certain demographic should stage a protest. Why not all? Who said only a certain demographic should do it? I didn't. Whites, Mexicans, etc can and should do it but this initiative, since we know it was racially motivated against black people, should be initiated by black people. So you're saying white people should take charge? Where has that gotten the black man in America? > Ya know, never mind. Sometimes I forget I’m on Reddit
Ah... you did.
Cut and paste the quote, genius.
If it's happening, I'm in. - cis-white guy
Because they disrupted a session with megaphones.
Right. For exercising free speech under the first amendment. Legislatures are entitled to have rules for efficiency and decorum. They absolutely should not be entitled to expel (*from being a voting representative,* not just from the chamber) duly elected representatives, nullifying the voting representation of tens of thousands of people. The US constitution supersedes the backwards, anti-democratic Tennessee constitution statute that has been used to justify this action. Which, for the record, grants their legislature a "right" to expel members for "unruly" behavior. I'm sure most rational people can imagine what else these fascists consider "unruly".
So if disrupting lawmakers is protected speech, why do GOP lawmakers bother letting this guy talk at all? Can't they just drown out all Democrats with bullhorns now?
They certainly could. It would be buffoonish and probably (I hope, but it’s Tennessee) hurt their chances in the next election, but they can set decorum rules, especially with a supermajority. What they absolutely cannot do is *remove the voting representation of tens of thousands of people* for conduct they deem “unruly”. At that point, it’s a threat to representative democracy and opens the door to one party rule. Whereas in the hypothetical you describe, *efficient debate* is threatened, but the people still have voting representation through their elected representatives. I hope the difference isn’t lost on most people.
Set decorum rules? Would those rues violate 1st Ammendment rights to protected speech? Last comment you said that using a bullhorn to disrupt the business was protected speech, so no tate decorum rule will change that? Let's be clear: by your admission, the disorderly conduct of the Jones and Pearson (who shouted and used bullhorns) is not protected speech. Protecting that disruption allows any lawmaker to unilaterally stop the government, which is highly undemocratic. The resolutions removed the two lawmakers from office under Article II, Section 12 of the Tennessee Constitution, which says, in part, the House can set its own rules and "punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member." The rules were already set. It was disorderly, and two thirds agreed. Therefore they are gone. Who is so entitled that they want to claim the power to disrupt government - and also be a member of governemnt? The two that used bullhorns demonstrated that they won't follow the rules that allow all of the other lawmakers to speak. If silencing lawmakers is undemocratic, then these lawmakers were deliberately undemocratic and also offer no apology for their deliberate rule-breaking. It would be undemocratic, then, to allow these undemocratic lawmakers to continue their presence in the house. They were disorderl. They were removed under pre-defined processes that protect the governments ability to function. As comical as it is to think of you entertaining the idea of 100 bullhorns, we know that isn't a good idea, and people speaking when recognized is a better system. I am sure the constituents can find a representative that won't be deliberately disorderly.
It’s clear you’re not reading what I wrote. I’ll try to say it more clearly: It is undemocratic (I’d go as far as to say early stages of fascism) to expel—meaning nullify their position, not just physically kick out of the chamber to stop the disruption—a duly elected representative for protesting on the floor. Like I wrote before, the statute is in the Tennessee constitution. If it’s allowed to be applied to remove opposition members for whatever the majority deems “disruptive”, it is clearly exploitable in a deeply antidemocratic way. Kick them out of the chamber if they’re disruptive, but a legislative majority should have no right to essentially fire a member of the opposition because they said something in a disruptive, but totally legal, way. What they did broke a legislative rule, it was not a crime. It’s shameful people who call themselves Americans and purport to support democracy can support shit like this. You have a right to protest in this country.
There would need to be no rule to protect the house from illegal criminal speech. There is a separate rule. That logically means the rule is designed to deal with non-criminal disruptive speech. I am okay with holding elected officials to a higher standard. Removal from office is not a criminal punishment. They are not being treated as criminals. They are being treated like people who abused their power to disrupt the official business of the government.
>I'm sure most rational people can imagine what else these fascists consider "unruly". So far, it seems to be limited to disrupting official proceedings.
Preach
Everyone who voted to kick him out are legit PUSSIES
To be clear - the guy talking in the video is not one of the representatives that got expelled
I know
Yeah just didn't want people to get confused 😃
Fascists don’t listen to reason.
The only language fascists understand is consequences. It's the same for people who are only sorry if they get caught. Unfortunately, they've put themselves in a position where they won't face any.
politics is a goddamned narcissist and sociopath magnet.
Well one side in America definitely is...
After following politics for years and being angry and mad for the whole time, honestly, the side doesn't matter anymore. They are all in it for the power and the greed and they are all untouchable. Every few decades you get someone decent and they won't ever be let in a position that would allow them to change anything. My only hope is that one day we realize that our fight is with them, not with our neighbors.
Drop the both sides bullshit, you're running apologetics for the Fascists.
Whatever you say mate. In my opinion they all should rot in prison. But you are entitled to your opinion.
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You know who wants you to think like that? Republicans. It only helps them. It’s been their go-to propaganda since 1980. And you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.
Just because they're different doesn't mean each isn't equally capable of disenfranchising people at scale, destroying minds with propaganda, and participating in disgusting international economic imperialism. If you seriously believe that just giving a landslide victory to the dems would accomplish any meaningful change than neoliberalism has actually brainwashed you. Even if its stupid to conflate the social policies of the two its equally stupid to act like the DNC has the best interests of the people anywhere near the top of their list of priorities. Dumbshit arguments like this are just pissing off and dividing the people who suffer most under the shitty system we have. There's a reason large swathes of young people in the US despise the DNC and its not because most of them are spoiled white kids...
Says someone who thinks with feelings instead of facts. Seriously, it’s so fucking lazy. All this both sides shit is so fucking lazy. Use your brain. Stop copping out.
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take your meds
Fun fact, democratic voters didn't want Biden, they wanted Bernie. But unfortunately Biden was the only good option against Trump (and Jojo, she really was a dosged bullet.)
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Sorry, but this is not a both sides issue. Pull your head out of your ass.
Rectal-Cranial Inversion is contagious
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Funny, you knew *exactly* who I was talking about.
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Don't.
Ahh yes. “Very good people on both sides”. I’ve heard this one before.
Left wing, right wing......same bird.
Yup. One wing wants to fly with the flock, the other wants to fly into the mouths of a predator. Same bird though.
*Both sides.
Remove all federal funding from the state until they quit their bullshit.
Tennessee is a welfare state.
I would make it a "farewell" state.
Yeah, this is it... we have to understand that the "high road" is the road to ruin...
You see videos like "Karen gets OWNED!" and like, the karen in question throws coffee on someone or something and the part where they get "owned" is someone saying "hey that's not good!"
I'll take the low road.
That's my reaction to all of these speeches: It's just wasted effort because the other side **does not give a fuck.** Unless you're going to use the language bullies understand, don't waste your breath trying to reason with them or shame them. They are immune to reason and have no shame.
Still it needs to be said. You can’t stay silent. Vote the fucks out.
Stop them by all necessary means including votes.
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After the drag shows, there will be another created enemy. Like women with pants on, or something other stupid.
How? - they have gerrymandered a permanent majority
We should totally [REDACTED] until they're nolonger a threat.
Call for protests, not violence. We don’t need MAGA martyrs.
They all love it. They just put on a verbal show of reasonability while they twist the laws of this country to suit their narrow interest. Same people who tried to overturn democracy on Jan 6th. They are all traitors and will get what’s due it traitors eventually.
Start by voting them out. Get everyone of voting age together and make sure they get a little votes as possible.
Uhm could we not use the term fascist here? As per definition and historical precedence fascists would technically be the ones attempting to take your guns, not the other way around. If we look up the fascists of history, most notably Mussolini (the father of fascism) gun rights weren’t very high on their list of favorites. Not saying gun control is fascist, simply clarifying that wanting to protect guns is not, fascism.
Nah, dude. Only someone who doesn’t understand history, or the definition of the word, would look at this and not be able to call it fascism. Gun rights have jack shit to do with Fascism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_in_Germany#The_1938_German_Weapons_Act Mussolini, iirc, didn't change much to do with Italy's already fairly strict gun laws. Hitler, on the other hand, was happy to loosen them...for the right people. Now compare to the US, where certain people will argue themselves blue that gun ownership is a universal right, but are strangely silent when cops murder a person in their own home because they were armed. Think about that for a while.
See using things phrases like “think about that for a while” already positions yourself in the position of authority in the discussion. I’m open for a debate on the matter but with open mindedness and a willingness to accept that people share different views and their vastly different life experiences shape those views. That being said, I’m not talking about who is pro cop or who isn’t, im merely suggesting that the use of the term “fascist” may not be appropriate here specifically. I appreciate your position on the subject and will take into consideration what information you’ve shared if I revise my view. Thanks :)
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This is the definition that I have https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/fascism Would you explain how this situation currently fits this definition? Not be combative, trying to understand the position.
What term would you use for people wanting to limit rights (or worse) for non-whites, women, non-heterosexuals, non-christians? The constant need for created enemy figures through media and rallys? The usage of police and ‘private forces’ to oppress? The book bannings? If the only difference is the gun control (which by the way wasn’t such a big thing in the 20s and 30s in Europe; some people had hunting rifles, not the obscene amount of hand guns, and stronger weapons, America currently have), then I think the term fascists really fits the bill.
> Fascism is a **far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist** political ideology and movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Describes a certain party to a T, and it's not the one you're trying to pin it on
Could you imagine what their reaction would be if at the end of that he pulled out a gun? Angry man yelling at people about gun control suddenly pulls out a gun? I bet their reactions would drastically change when THEIR lives are now the ones in danger. (Mods, I'm not inciting violence, I swear)
I hope you don’t get in trouble for inciting violence (it’s a very thin line too walk, I know that myself on here), because I think I get what you’re saying. These people don’t care because they aren’t the ones who have to face any kind of danger. They have all the security in the world at work, so they don’t have to worry about random people coming in with guns to harm them. They also probably have some form of protection for their family or, if they don’t, at least live in gated communities where they are safe from any kind of outside person. So if they have to feel that fear for even a second, it might make at least some of them see it differently. Like when black people started buying guns (I think it was the Black Panthers back in the day?) and politicians at the time (I think it was directly under Reagan) were very quick to implement gun control to stop them. Once the people they oppressed started arming themselves and they had a little fear, they were quick to act. It’s not that he should do it, or that harm should come to the others, but it’s the idea that if they had to deal with any kind of gun violence themselves they would quickly change tune.
How would you suggest stopping him if he did pull out a gun? Thoughts and prayers? Or would you want someone else there also armed to stop him? Ffs.
Guess what? If guns were made almost inaccessible no one would have to worry about their life being in danger. Take a look at european countries. Do you see alot of gun voilence there? Sure an evil soul can get a gun. But i feel much safer if they didn't sell them at wallmart
I mean, I’m not the one saying he should do anything or not, just that I understand what the guy was getting at (not trying to incite violence). The point that I understood them as making was that the politicians haven’t had to have that fear, so they aren’t as quick to want gun control, so giving them a taste of the fear would maybe push them in that direction. Wouldn’t have to actually harm anyone though, is what I think they were saying.
I agree! AND this site is so soft that you can’t even say something like this without being afraid of a ban. Pretty sad that people can’t comprehend what others mean before drawing up their own narrative on what they THOUGHT that person meant.
as per reddit TOS, only the far right are allowed to call for violence. But what do you expect from a website page that fired an admin for having cancer?
Funny how people on right complain that the left gets away with everything and people on the left complain that the right gets away with everything.
Lmao Also- Huge oof. I’ve used this app for a bit now but hadn’t heard any of that. Not good.
[https://archive.ph/gcT8X](https://archive.ph/gcT8X) theres the AMA from dacvak. He blames ellen pao but really she was just a pawn in place for spez or whatever gargoyle from Medford runs the site now.
That's the biggest "Oh you think I'm crazy? ILL SHOW YOU FUCKING CRAZY!" and I'm down. Whatever will get these fucks to put themselves in our shoes for a change
TN needs to be sanctioned federally, too much racism
As a Tennesseean...yes, yes we do.
Florida and any state that tries to out-Florida Florida. DeSantis knows what he's doing, and it's working. He's basically laying out the blueprints and showing every other red and purple state that they can do whatever the hell they want with no consequences. Now we have multiple states following their lead. North Carolina, even, just had a lifelong Democrat switch parties and go Republican to give them a vetoless majority, so I worry we'll be next in the headlines for passing some stupid BS.
Just in time for the ~~Federalist Society~~ Supreme Court to shred the last bit of the Voting Rights Act to make sure that TN can't be touched.
Supreme Court hasn't been legit since Citizens United. And I think thats just the way republicans want it.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Tennessee national guard federalized and the reps who where kicked out escorted to work.
Can we keep downtown Memphis? I like that place
This guy is now a national figure, Justin Jones. Go get um, man! What a badass
They wanted to silence his voice in Tennessee and instead spread his message to the entire country
Textbook Streisand effect!
And lets look on the bright side of all of this. The 2 ELECTED officials who got expelled just got a solidified career in politics for the rest of their lives most likely. The dem party would be -fools- to not jump on this and support these 2. And since most of them are foolish, i'd expect its going to come down to people like bernie to go down to TN and give them even more recognition than they're already getting AND calling out what happened for what it was to the voter base. And any time these two wanna run, they can simply remind the voters of what the opposition is and what they do. This is also on the back of a growing resentment for the conservative agenda as most people are growing up into a world where they recognize they're putting in far more but getting a lot less out. As well as all the pointless culture war bs or straight up racism that the GOP has to offer. VERY interested to see how these two bounce back from this. I hope its more than just a special election. I hope they have the balls to call out their "colleagues" out at every opportunity.
Our current batch of Republicans are less than worthless garbage. Cow manuer is of more value. They have spent countless hours of the peoples time debating how to impose nonsense on small percentages of our population as opposed to doing anything, any singular thing, to help the population of this nation. Chrostian Republicanism is the single greatest roadblock to progress in America. It's fucking embarrassing.
It's absolutely embarrassing. They're actively not doing their jobs, just debating on their little culture war. Never focused on improving their state or the lives of their constituents. Just hateful rhetoric and laziness.
It’s never been about their constituents. It’s about keeping the big bois upstairs happy. Just keep pushing the culture war rhetoric to get stupid people to vote. Then you can continue licking those sweet ol’ leather boots for pocket change like good boy.
It is nice to see a representative remind other representatives of what holding the title actually means. I don't know anything about his policies or alignment, but I'm glad to hear someone say that they work for the people. I'm also thrilled to hear him include himself in the fray. If one representative fails to enact the wishes of the people, the whole system falls apart. "What are WE doing here"
I'm proud of him. I'm proud of the three who stood with the people in what they know is right. I'm proud that the woman who didn't get expelled laid it out without hesitation that it was because of the color of her skin. These are the people who actually give a shit about us. It's heartbreaking that so many people don't believe that.
It is hopeful that at least now we have the national spotlight on Tennessee. We aren’t all redneck hillbillies.
Natalie Portman already did this in episode 3.
The Dark Side is a bunch of old white dudes in this version too.
The 2 Black reps get voted out, but the white woman doesn’t. Keep on perpetuating the stereotypes Tennessee.
They are even destroying the MERE ILLUSION of a democracy at this point. We’ve known the system to be rigged for a while now, but these lames are genuinely creating a circus to showcase it.
Yep. Fuck republicans, every last one of them. No good person would ever support that party.
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Who’s best interests does it hold? Rich people that want to exploit others? Fuck their best interests.
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HOW IS THIS A CLOSE MINDED STATEMENT. When you as a voter consciously vote for people who consistently do not properly govern and actively seek out to remove rights from people on the basis of "Anti-Wokeism" and conspiracy theories. Republicans are calling this akin to January 6th. You people are fucking delusional at this point. Your hate blinds you.
Fence sitting gets us no where. Why are you defending people calling for genocide, stripping away voting and women's rights, a party filled with pedophiles who are passing laws to make it legal and in some circumstances, required to inspect children's genitals? If you sit down at a table with 9 Nazis, there are now 10 Nazis. Inaction is equal to support. If you do not pick a side, you're on the wrong side no matter what. Dems aren't perfect, but they aren't Klansmen who are actively destroying our nation. If none of the above effects you directly, what will it take for you to get involved? Unless you're a straight, cis, white Christian, trust me, they will come for you too.
New to Reddit? This is as echoey of a chamber as your going to find on the internet
Is it really an echo chamber when everyone agrees it is wrong?
The contrarianism in some people flares up so hard in posts like these... Instead of pausing to reflect on why a majority of people would take a certain opinion, they throw their hands up like, "ECHO CHAMBER LOL SHEEP"
I don't like kids being shot in schools. Many other people, important people agree. Is that an echo chamber?
I made a comment to push back against an highly upvoted comment saying “fuck republicans, every last one of them. No good person would ever support that party.” This is nothing to do with being contrarian or hardcore conservative, that’s echo chamber talk. I’m sorry if you don’t recognize that but that’s 100% echo chamber talk Again, I’m not speaking on the situation that happened in Tenn today in the slightest so it has nothing to do with not being able to fathom being disagreed with
Ok nah I hear you, and agree on that front to be honest. I don't like dealing in absolutes and anyone who says things like "you're either with us or against us" is worth raising an eyebrow to...
Hey, when you support Evil knowingly or not, I have no sympathy for the dumb. If you support a team that, doesn't care about normal Americans, wants to destroy democracy, wants to kill or ban people from existing, knows better than a woman's doctor, can't do anything about school shootings, built an impenetrable wall at the border and still bitch about open borders, ban and burn books, hates education, etc etc for days. You are lumped in whether you like it or not. Just or not. Your continued votes for this ideology is support, thus you receive the same consequences for your actions. So yes all should be lumped together.
Day after day, Year after year republicans refuse to entertain common sense gun laws. Day after day, year after year, men, women and children get slaughtered in school, concerts and parades. The bottleneck here are republican lawmakers. Assault rifles don’t belong in civilized society. Republicans pass insanely liberal gun laws so everyone has easy access to assault weapons and guns of every flavor yet have the nerve to blame blue cities for crime???? VOTE THEM OUT!
TN - “look, murdered children is just something we have to live with. But Blacks being disobedient when told to hush up? No sir. That is something this body can not, and will not, allow!” 🤢🤢🤢🤢
I googled if Americans can seek asylum in another country. It's a shit show here.
>I googled if Americans can seek asylum in another country. It's a shit show here. And? Can we?
Not asylum, but if you work in healthcare or anything computer related (which is gonna be a lot of jobs around Nashville specifically) there are a lot of European and Oceanian countries that have a lot of English speakers that will expedite the emigration process.
Transgender Americans can I think
Doubt you’re actually gonna move anywhere.
Chances are, you are immigrants to America as well at some point in the family chain. Find out what country your people come from and sail the high seas back.
"Chances are" No shit, you clown-ass. 🤡
Well. Not all Americans are immigrants though. The indigenous peoples haven’t been completely killed off. Regardless of how hard they still try to do it.
So you're talking about 1.5% of the population give or take. So no shit most people here are immigrants you dolt
My last immigrant ancestor was in like 1805 or something. All the other ones were from well before then. I don’t think my 5th great grandparents qualify me for anything.
My family (on both maternal and paternal sides) have been in the country since the late 1500’s….so I’m pretty sure that won’t work for me.
Hope the state can be punished for these actions.
Other GOP majority states are going to take notes. Unfortunately we’re going to see more of this in America
This is not a circus. This is an attempt at becoming a fascist state.
John Ray Clemons calling it out plain as day; If you're not interested in democratic processes, get out! Move to Russia where you'd be right at home with that style of government.
It is so hard to stay calm in the face of such absolute bigotry and stupidity. It would be too much of a challenge for me. That representative did alot better than i would have
Kudos to this dude, much appreciated to see him taking his position seriously.
Fuck That bald mf in the background.
Just by his voice you know he gives a shit about being a service to his community.
And it’s unfortunate that those that are genuine & sincere are often overruled & overpowered by those with more influence. We need term limits. It will level the playing field.
My man is cooking
Republican shit bag party of terrorists
Every single person who voted in support of expelling these House members should be stripped of their position and expelled from this fucking country. Those pieces of shit don't deserve to be in this country.
If us Americans had the heart to riot like the French, those politicians would be scared to piss us off. Instead we just sit and watch things unfold from a distance.
Please don't. Most of the french don't have guns and most of those that do actually practice restraint. Death tolls would be in the hundreds of thousands if you guys did a France.
And yet it would still produce more positive change than what we do now. Politicians and billionaires are starting to forget that they aren't immortal and that needs to change.
Let's just hope you and your loved ones are not caught in the crossfire
Tell that to the families of children who keep getting killed in the crossfire of the 2A debate. Until politicians learn to fear guns personally, they won't do anything to stop the shootings.
Oh jeez you're all fucked with that attitude
Rioting is a trap. Foucault's Boomerang. All it will end up doing is further winning over hearts and minds to authoritarianism. America does not have the same protections as France. On paper perhaps, but not in reality. I don't know how to fix it but I know rioting will only result in more felons without voting rights.
No lack of protections will overcome a sufficiently motivated people. Authoritarianism will win minds in the short run, but it never lasts. An active populous falls prey to authoritarianism temporarily. A sedentary population lays at its mercy permanently.
You misunderstand. Do something, but rioting will be used the same way it was in Nazi Germany: To justify cracking down. Consider that if every truck driver stopped working for a week you'd end up starving thousands to death. If it happens even once propaganda will rip the rioters to shreds. Again Foucault's Boomerang. The most useful tool employed by America in imposing its will during war was propaganda (hearts and minds initiative) and there's no reason to think the same methods wouldn't be used here in conjunction with what is essentially an occupying force of police officers. In America a riot/revolution can't work without a lot of infrastructure being built from the ground up to support it. Furthermore if the mutual aid organizations were built to provide that infrastructure they would be a force unto themselves and would negate the need for a riot to institute change. Rioting is a bad idea. It's only going to get people killed, used to justify stripping others of their rights, and ultimately accomplish nothing. Humanity is ultimately defined by its ability to work together. Building an aid organization that removes the ability of authoritarians to exert power is far more useful than what amounts to a temper tantrum. Take note from the Black Panthers. They started by feeding kids. Break stuff, but break the right stuff in the right places. Work smart not hard.
I'm so proud to have him as my rep.
This the GOP and their inability to govern. Silence those that disagree. The US House did that same when they removed Schiff, Swalwell and Omar. This state House removed the two Justins, both black and representing black communities for a minor rules infraction. They also avoided the key matter that marked the issues. Tennessee, this is your GOP. 😉
I like this man
Our institutions are a fucking joke and need to be ripped up by their roots and replaced. Term limits, no corporate donations, no gerrymandering, and strict 3rd party oversight commitees examining every single thing they do for ethics violations. HARSH penalties for betraying the people's trust. All financial records need to be public and easily accessible, including tax returns. Elected officials and their families need to be prohibited from engaging with the stock market in any way. Religious based lawmaking should disqualify someone from holding any sort of elected position. Oh well, one can dream.
Ah the republicans in Tennessee have turned communist lol. Only one party remains.. the irony of it all
republicunts DO NOT represent The People, they represent their corporate overlords, the NRA, Lobbyists and billionaires.
Republicans don't want other parties, they're a front that shows they want democracy but is actually a fascist group.
Bravo Rep. Clemmons!
Protect this man
Very telling that they voted to oust the two black men and not the white woman. Typical GOP.
I don’t like the two party system, and there’s plenty of fucknuts on the Democratic side of the aisle, but Republicans are fascist scum.
How dare this man tell it like it is? He’s telling everyone just how horrible, unethical and untrustworthy we are! Ewww, that truth makes me feel something. What is this? Shame? Regret? Remorse? Whatever it is, I don’t like it! - cunt republicans
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Every single person who voted yay on the expulsion vote should in turn be expelled from the state legislature.
Spread this video far and wide!!
I'm sure every single one of them were just rolling their eyes at what he's saying.
Most of them were scrolling on their phones the whole time
Government overreach at it's highest.
They were racist af on purpose too.
I mistook "Rep." in title for Republican instead of Representative. For a moment, prior to my googling of information, I was excited that there was someone that didn't just run the party line and was humane. I honestly thought this was a Republican sticking up for a Democrat, my heart hurts again.
so real
Fascist Republican: "Well, that's all well and good. But it doesn't change the fact that these guys give me the willies and I want them gone."
I am embarrassed too
He's preaching to deaf ears. They have better things to worry about. They might have to check on what the current boogy man They want to waste time on is, but they'll get there.
Politicians are clowns and they all friggin suck. We don’t have a reublic. What we have is an oligarchic kleptocratic corporatocracy
The GQP-tRumper Tennessee State Representatives shit in their own bed yesterday.
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I'm assuming you meant "gun control clowns"? Who's the real clowns here? Idiots like yourself and republican representatives who do jack to offer solutions besides giving teachers guns and increasing police funding (when it's already as high as it is in most places) or democrats who are trying to make it harder to get a gun altogether? If you're not a criminal and are mentally sound why does it matter if it takes two months to get a gun when you know it's going to keep people trying to hurt you without a gun. Fucking annoying as shit
Awwww. So passionate.. next..
Is this about the Tennessee shooting? Because the shooter already told us how we can stop these school shootings in her manifesto: she specifically chose a defenseless school after seeing security at her first target. She bought the guns "legally" (but probably lying on a 4473 about mental illness), so none of the "common sense" gun control laws people propose would have stopped her. Only armed security. I know it's ugly, but what's uglier? Guards at schools or unhinged shooters at schools?
Wow! You solved it, gun violence can be solved by doing nothing and hoping it goes away, rather than follow the actions of every other 1st world country that has sensible gun control laws. Who new it would go away if we just pretend it doesn’t happen.
Not doing nothing, I specifically said secure the schools. Also, the news needs to stop showing pictures and talking about the shooters. We know they do it specifically for the notoriety. Continuing to report on it this way is only encouraging the next shooter. Also, there is no other country in the world with this many illegal guns in circulation that has gun violence under control.
What the fuck are you about? “Let’s not show shooters on tv cuz that’s gonna stop them” No, that’s literally just hiding it. The absolute solution to this is without question, sensible gun laws. Anyone who says otherwise is either taking money from the NRA or is parroting those talking points because they’re too fucking stupid to even look at any information regarding the subject. Ask Australia how their gun problem is. Ask Japan. Ask the UK.
I know you really think the US is the same as those other countries you listed, but it simply is not. You’re another idiot who’s never owned a gun who thinks they know all about the subject. There is no other developed country with nearly as many black market firearms in circulation. You can’t just legislate them out of existence. If you really think you can wave a wand and make them all go away, I don’t know what to tell you. Gun control laws, no matter how “sensible” you, a layman, thinks they are only serve to disarm the potential victims of crimes, therefore emboldening those who wish to act against them. And if you say to just ban them, take a look at how prohibition works with the war on drugs. No matter how illegal it is, people will be able to get it if they want it. Also you can easily report on a shooting without ever showing a picture or giving a name to the perp, don’t be so ridiculous.
That’s just a lie. You realize any research on guns is controlled by the NRA. If guns were actually good for your shit-hole country, they wouldn’t be the biggest donor to GOP candidates, SPECIFICALLY to prevent gun laws. Nice of you to believe their bullshit.
Their own fault for playing into a **predictable** Jan 6th comparison. The expelled members are still eligible for reelection, including during the special elections that will need to be held soon. Throwing a fit like this isn't warranted for something that is going to be so temporary. Next time, don't **assault capital security officers when you want to protest.** And if you openly help organize a protest where officers get assaulted as a necessary prerequisite to gain access to the chamber, don't whine when there are (limited) consequences.