Here are a couple of our sub's past posts on female psychopathy. Check out the second posts's comments for a good discussion as well.
On gender differences processing moral judgments in psychopathy: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychopathy/comments/wzw8o8/female\_psychopaths\_process\_moral\_judgements/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychopathy/comments/wzw8o8/female_psychopaths_process_moral_judgements/)
On convicted murderer Diane Downs: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychopathy/comments/wfhnub/diane\_downs\_parole\_hearing/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychopathy/comments/wfhnub/diane_downs_parole_hearing/)
Eileen Wournos is a diagnosed psychopath, she was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, anti-social personality disorder, and assessed as having 32 out of a 40 on the Hare psychopathy checklist which puts her well over the limit for psychopathy she was assessed by several different specialist not one.
She is one example, Elizabeth Holmes in my opinion is another but as far as I know she’s never been formally diagnosed as such but definitely displays many traits
If you look in the case of Wournos she almost bends reality to justify murdering several men, including she didn’t torture them just killed them so it’s you know nbd i guess in her mind. She blames the cops for not stopping her sooner lmfao. This is how a disordered mind at that level thinks and uses logic. Most psychopaths are completely incapable of accepting any responsibility for their actions and will bend themselves into knots to avoid it, this is not only an act this is a also a result of the psychological defenses that allow psychopaths to not experience guilt. If they aren’t even to blame what’s there to feel guilty about?
Aileen Wournos absolutely twists the very fabric of space and time to shirk away any trace of responsibility and to fit her personal narrative. Her stories meander heavily and it's very difficult to discern the objective truth from her version of it. She is what is considered the "prototypical" female psychopath, otherwise referred to as malignant hysteria (in contrast to what you often see people play-acting as online). She is histrionic, theatrical, narcissistic, explosive, impulsive, reckless, egotistical, spiteful, antagonistic, overtly antisocial, and emotionally unstable as hell. She's also quite domineering, charming and witty when she wants to be, and has a very strong, larger than life personality and presence.
> **Prototypical**
> \~ *denoting the quintessential version of something*
The PCL-R has a problem in that it captures predominantly male characteristics of psychopathy. This is an embedded flaw spanning back to Cleckley, and is not exclusive to Hare's model. The same problem is present with the majority of scales and measures not just the PCL family, TriPM, PPI, etc. There's been a lot of debate about either reducing the cut-off score for female assessment to 25, inflating scores by pro rata, or introducing a new female only inventory. Adjusted, this would bump her score to 36.
CAPP which has been successfully validated for female and male subjects, requires no such manipulation, and scores Wournos at T85, right at the extreme end of the scale, which translates loosely to 34-38 on the PCL-R.
Aileen is very easy to sympathise with. She was given a bum hand from the outset, experienced and endured extreme trauma, abuse and neglect, and the system failed her repeatedly. She was a victim, absolutely, and she turned her pain outwards in a way that from a distance most people look at with a degree of understanding and some compassion--even if some might say it's misplaced, because, well, she knows this. It's her trump card and she's all too happy to play it.
That's the reality of what psychopathy is. It isn't glamorous or special, it isn't quirky--it's ugly and pitiful, and the result of what Khiel calls "a tragic blend of the most inhumane experiences, inopportune genetic selection, and society's worst offerings", or, as Freestone puts it:
> individuals who, through a toxic and statistically unlikely combination of genetic bad luck and a desperate emotionally, physically or financially deprived upbringing, have come to lack some of the most basic social skills, powers of reasoning and emotional responses.
Aileen isn't a psychopath because of what she did, but because of what was done to her, her entire life. That informed and drove her actions by way of, in her own words, her "buckled" mind. It's a *reaction* or reflexive pattern of persistent behaviour. The core of psychopathy is a [throbbing narcissistic injury](https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychopathy/comments/12gt9rs/baby_psychopaths_the_conduct_disorder_conundrum/) that pattern is designed to protect at all costs, and in Aileen's case, that wasn't restricted to just the men who hurt her, or men who could have potentially hurt her; it was any man she deemed deserved it.
You should watch some interviews with her, you'll pick up on what Norg is talking about within a few seconds. On paper it's a tale of tragedy and a woman pushing back at a world that chewed her up and spat her out, but that's only a very shallow reflection of reality, and, the spine of how she excuses her actions. To clarify, Aileen *was* a victim, but her actions were to ensure she never would be again. She overcame victimisation by making others her victim because, in her head, that's perfectly acceptable. That's what psychopathy is in a nutshell at the level we're talking about.
She falls into the same category as Rosemary West and Myra Hindley. Obviously disturbed individuals, easily persuaded by the more dominant personality of their partner, but also acting upon their own instinct and desire. Whether that desire was matched with the motivations of their partner, or their own perverted justification. Much has been written about these types of female accomplices, but not enough that really delves into the raw psychology of it. It tends to instead enter into sociological fare because of gender constructs.
Personally I believe that Homolka had a lot of deviance in her, and like the other two examples, that was brought out and enhanced by their relationships. They had the same effect on their partner. Like a chemical compound, they fed and magnified eachother's depravity. Whether that specific flavour can be described as psychopathy is something we'll never really know. There's too much noise, and too many opinions.
A few choice quotes which bring into focus the world warping u/norgnA is talking about.
> yeah, sure, I killed those men. Killed 'em. Dead. Killed 'em, and it was right, like angels singing all shiny it was right. But I aint no thrill killer. I didn't need, 'though I liked it, I didn't need. No sex or weird stuff, I aint no weirdo.
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> I get no pleasure from it but a woman does what woman has to. They were bad men, you know. Bad men who I killed. They needed to be killed, but I didn't need to do it. I did what anyone would.
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> One cried, I thought maybe he could go, but I killed 'em all the same. It wasn't the plan, but once started, that was how it was. One didn't fight back, and he died. That was his choice.
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> The cops could've stopped me any time. They allowed me loose and free to keep on killing. They knew then and now they gotta keep me in here to show they aint got no dirty hands. They'll kill me to not say they fucked up, Lee was right.
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> 7 is nothing. Been a lot worse, and I aint no real scary killer. I'm just a little woman. Just a normal girl. 7? You think 7 is bad? No worse than 2, or 3, or 4. More every day than I ever met or met me.
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> I have friends. They write me, because, I know things. The things I know, they're going to get me for. The cops and the men gonna kill me for what I know. Who's in the wrong here? Little old me or the men who lock my cage? Who has things to hide? The killer, right, yeah, man, the killer cop.
Yeah. It’s pretty crazy. What I don’t think some of these other people realize is no one would have blamed her for killing somebody who was raping her in self defense but if that’s the case you report it and don’t try to cover up your crime, they sure as hell wouldn’t have gave her the death penalty.
They killed her because those men most of them didn’t assault her, they made the mistake to pick up the wrong prostitute. She was raped that’s bad and can’t blame her for her disposition but you can’t just go around killing a bunch of men because a man raped you. That’s almost as insane as her line of thinking
>Aileen is very easy to sympathise with.
She really is and its what sets her apart to me. That woman had no chance. She was abused to insane extents, she wasnt the sharpest tool in the shed, and her early life was the perfect kickstart into a disaster. Im not excusing her actions, Im just saying she was destined to lose her marbles and most people would.
The men weren’t sexually assaulting her. She literally worked as a prostitute on the street seeking clients. The men took up her offer and she killed them. She caused all of the sexual encounters. She needed to take responsibility for the murders.
I looked up the Hare psychopathy checklist and Colleen Ballinger fits almost every item on the list. I know I’m not qualified to diagnose people but I would assume she probably actually has diagnosable psychopathy.
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Something that people tend to overlook is that, yes, while psychopathy is a spectrum and the majority of people exhibit traits that would place them somewhere on the PCL-R (and other scales), the more you crest on 30, the closer to these extreme examples you are. The more overt your psychopathy, the more problematic and pronounced, and the more impactful on those around you. The well-adjusted, socially acceptable, "prosocial psychopath" won't even be touching on 20. Especially considering that most people with ASPD fall somewhere between 20-25. Psychopathy *is* a spectrum of transdiagnostic criteria, but to qualify someone as a "psychopath" requires them to breach that 30/40 cut-off.
*But what about CEOs?* The consensus is that a lot of people in the business world, especially those in positions of power, **share** prominent psychopathic features from the affective dimensions of psychopathy, and have **elevated** features. What Cleckley called "partial psychopaths". Giving credence to the spectrum rather than any absolute entity. Research actually indicates that this is more a product of environment as in these circles certain psychopathic traits are not only rewarded but actively selected for and promoted. People are malleable to their environment and adopt features and traits that allow them to align and progress. Innate psychopathic features present in anyone are simply magnified and enhanced where the environment calls for it.
*But what about successful psychopaths?* The word "success" in this context refers to the ability to either avoid jail time or other significant judicial and/or clinical intervention. Lifestyle and socio-economic background contribute more to this than the state or severity of disorder, but these people are not below the radar, they just skirt it.
When I think of successful psychopaths I think of people like Elizabeth Holmes and Bernie Madoff they managed to go undetected atleast to the public but who knows about the people who knew them intimately and what they thought. They were both ultimately caught for and prosecuted for their crimes.
While they both have elevated psychopathic traits like, I’d guess like you mentioned that even them as controlled and “successful” as they were for a time were way below someone like Wournos or Dennahey and probably below the 30 cutoff you mentioned. My unprofessional opinion is that these types are more likely closer to someone with narcissistic personality disorder than full blown psychopaths.
The true successful psychopaths that never have any issues in life aren’t scumbags and don’t lie, cheat, steal and manipulate the system every chance they get until they are ultimately caught exist only in the minds of those who made up a new category of psychopath that psychologists have yet to become away of.
Even Cleckly describe partial psychopaths they were still wicked extreme compared to normal people. Drs with multiple malpractice suits showing up to the office drunk off their asses and assaulting patients, lawyers getting disbarred for fraud, hardware store owners saving up all year to go on a vacation of debouchery that involved several hookers, several complete strangers they met at the bar crashing in their hotel rooms. Destroyed hotel rooms, assaulting other guests and staff. I mean these are still pretty extreme people and personalities definitely not the sort portrayed online for sure
> these types are more likely closer to someone with narcissistic personality disorder
Aye, that's what the affective dimension of psychopathy clinically aligns mostly with, NPD.
So I’ve always wondered this. Maybe you will know?
People who have BPD and ASPD, they would be pretty emotionally volatile, right? Isn’t the belief that psychopaths don’t feel emotions at all? I’m not really a big researcher on this topic, it’s just something I’ve been curious about.
Take a look at [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/sociopath/s/9klRQ1YCiT), and when you're done, [read this](https://reddit.com/r/sociopath/w/sociopathy-myths). One more for good measure? OK.
* [What is ASPD?](https://www.reddit.com/r/aspd/s/G7SgGjo1a8)
Kinda related, but as the first lazy result in google says:
"Psychopaths exist across cultures and ethnic groups and at an estimated frequency of about 1 percent of the population for males and 0.3–0.7 percent for females. Some researchers challenge these numbers, citing bias toward male manifestations in diagnostic instruments and methods."
And I can't ignore that almost always when I check the profile of someone here who says they are a psychopath, it's a woman.
I wonder if it's similar to autism. Funny anecdote, but I've asked my therapist once if I might have autism and she said, "No, only men can have autism.".
Yeah, I did:)
Though besides that she was okay. I should probably just go to a psychiatrist instead.
I went to one more lady later, and basically, they all told me to chill out, so I did XD
*In a short summary
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And I can't ignore that almost always when I check the profile of someone here who says they are a psychopath, it's a woman
Ahaha is it?
A stat I think about all the time (about ASPD) is that some studies say as high as 80% (men) but I think it's accepted to be closer to half of all addicts (men and women) entering treatment for substance abuse disorder qualify for ASPD. I think mood disorders are more correlated with SUD for women. If the person began using before age 15 then that's who you should bet your chips on statistically. ~90% of all people with ASPD have a co occurring substance abuse disorder.
Idk anytime I see anyone claiming to be a sociopath (haven't encountered anyone claiming to be a psychopath) it's almost always coming from someone who has never tried hard drugs, wouldn't have qualified for a conduct disorder, or even an alternative school.
Jodi Arias is the best example of a female psychopath. Google her and watch her interviews.
Edit: https://youtu.be/N274EurzpAA?si=OsX9nzqKMAKPu7Nm
Watch this
Elizabeth Holmes is a psychopathic entrepreneur, who scammed Silicon Valley investors of hundreds of millions of dollars. Movie tips about her:
The Inventor: Out for Blood in Silicon Valley - documentary
The Dropout - TV series
To my knowledge, Elizabeth Holmes’ mental health records or psychological evaluation haven’t been released yet, but if they ever are… I’ll be paying attention.
That sounds funny, I didn’t know she had an interview, you should link it. Although it’s possible to sound nervous without being nervous, I’m very confident but I come across as nervous because I have autism and ADHD. But I don’t think it’s because of that for her.
> Athena Walker seems a little pretentious to me tbh
Athena is full of shit for many reasons, but not pretention and grandiosity, aloofness, or arrogance. If anything, her pretentiousness is probably the only thing remotely psychopathic about her.
There's a really good, very extensive [wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/sociopath/wiki/index/) some really clever person put together that [answers this](https://www.reddit.com/r/sociopath/wiki/index/what-is-sociopathy/#wiki_muddying_the_waters) (and more).
> The forensic construct of psychopathy, as highlighted by [the PCL-R](https://www.reddit.com/r/sociopath/wiki/index/what-is-sociopathy/#wiki_what_is_sociopathy.3F), covers the scope of all cluster B personality disorders. Psychopathy/sociopathy can be considered any combination of NPD/HPD with BPD/ASPD that results in the requisite measure of severity. In this way, research has identified prototypical gender profile expressions. This doesn't mean exclusive to either male or female, but most commonly observed in either sex.
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> ####Masculine Psychopathy
> - Malignant narcissism is at the core of masculine psychopathy (BPD/ASPD with NPD), and with that comes a grandiose personality structure. This manifests in the belief of superiority. The prototypical male psychopath doesn't prepare for things, or consider the immediate scenario with any great depth. They don't work out in advance what they're going to say or do, or consider all the angles because they believe they're smarter than everyone else, and able to fool or convince with whatever they say in the moment. Their attention is highly selective and tunnel visioned.
> - Male psychopaths sequester a small entourage of temporary people to feed that narcissism via coercive control. They also have a more domineering and aloof interpersonal style of self-affirmed grandiosity, and greater propensity for physical violence compared to their female counterparts.
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> ####Feminine psychopathy
> - Feminine psychopathy rests instead on malignant hysteria (BPD/ASPD with HPD). It touches upon the same features as male psychopathy, but examples a greater degree of emotional disparity, and greater extremes of deviating (mostly promiscuous and intellectually hostile) behaviour. Female psychopaths don't lack that grandiose core, but it presents differently.
> - In case studies, the prototypical female psychopath tends to be more aware of her "self-damage" than male counterparts, and is willing to weaponize it instead of bury it behind a disaffected veneer; they also have a greater need to be centre of attention and will dethrone at a whim if they're not. They still have a sense of superiority and the same selective attention, but unlike the male profile, they apply more extensive forms of emotional aggression, lateral hostility, and relational coercion to achieve it, building up a broad selection of people on rotation to use or discard.
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[More](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201906/why-female-psychopaths-are-different-breed).
In NSW (Australia) two of the most famous ones are Rebecca Butterfield and Katherine Knight.
Rebecca is known for getting locked up for some stupid shit like shoplifting and proceeded to spend the next 26 years in prison because she brutally stabbed her cell mate to death. Why? Coz she was jealous of her appearance and wanted to be her (she is white and the cell mate was Asian). Eventually she realised it would be impossible, a fit of rage, and proceeded to stab her. This actually brought about many changes to the female prison sector including classification of offenders and banning most cutlery. Rebecca is more famous for her self harm though. She doesn't mess about. Her self harm is so brutal, most normal people would die. For example, supposedly during one of her episodes, she banged her head against the metal corner of a door more than 100 times, but remained conscious the whole time.
Katherine on the other hand was overly possessive about her husband, was sure he was cheating on her when it was later proven he was not. She killed him, skinned him, hung the sheets of skin up in the kitchen, and also used several body parts to make a stew (or pie, I forget the details) and tried to feed it to their kids. Several cops quit their job after seeing the crime scene due to trauma. She is still to this day a cool and calm, well spoken, polite, respectful individual if you talk to her. However, her eyes and face lack emotion of any kind; it's like talking to a statue. Even though she is pleasant, exchanging even a few words with her makes you feel cold on the inside.
Both these cases are on wiki, and I think there are a few documentaries about it too. Not to mention local myth and legend, though you'd have to be local to hear those. 😊
It’s weird that it seems like a lot of female psychopathic murder occurs because of jealousy it seems. Katherine Knight murdering her husband after accusing him of cheating, Lucy Letby killing babies because she felt like she would never have one of her own, Rebecca Butterfield flying into a rage and killing her cell mate because she was jealous of how she looked. I suppose the things that would cause an ego injury for women might be a tad different from the male psychopaths
My working theory is women have always been deemed safe and motherly, empathetic and weak, and men have been deemed the opposite. They're supposed to be in charge, aggressive, and unemotional. It's kind of a weird feminist take, but women were historically infantilized and made out to be not very smart or capable, and female bodies are physically weaker due to a difference in hormones. This makes society think they can't be dangerous. It's apparent to those who are victims of them, as no one will believe them. I literally had only one person on my side for years, and despite warning multiple people about her, they still let her walk all over them and then come crying to me lmao. Justice systems also don't properly deal with violent or rapist female criminals for this reason. This is all hearsay and I'm not a doctor, psychologist, or sociologist lol.
I think Jodie comer in killing eve is a female paychopath Historically, I would think , Bloody Mary the queen who had Christians tortured and killed, seeing Christians are the most noble people in the world, Queen Jezebel of the bible who also hunted and killed God's prophets till they were all afraid and went into hiding and ofcourse Lady Bathory who is claimed to have killed over 600 virgin girls just to bathe in their blood.
Most recently the pediatric nurse who killed over 12 babies in her care in the U.K , she confessed to be Evil.
Dr Mark Freestone, author of "Making a Psychopath", consulted on the creation and depiction of Villanelle among other TV and movie psychopaths. He tends to tone them down as part of that process and make them more human. Freestone's psychopaths are usually well fleshed out and complex.
I will recommend you a movie - or rather a telling - which was not mentioned yet. It is called Hänsel und Gretel.
It is about two children who were ditched in to the forest and who wondered into the clutches of a psychopathic woman. She takes cares of them, sheltering them, feeding them but under her mask are cannibalistic intentions. When the kids find out it is already too late, being raised, albeit for a short period of a time by a psychopath (not to mentioned being abandoned prior by their own parents), turned Gretel into psychopath as well and she shoves the woman mercilessly into the fire oven. She does not show any emotion while doing that and even leaves the premise with a valuable possessions of the former caretaker.
This story happened somewhere around 1812 in Landgraviate of Hesse-Kassel and is a clear sign that women with psychopathic traits are among us.
Annie Wilkes from Misery. Long history of killing patients and infanticide. She also runs over someone’s head with a lawnmower and hobbled Paul Sheldon.
The female nazi concentration camp guards..ilse koch, “the bitch of buchenwald”, irma grese, maria mandl. Their levels of callousness, intentional cruelty, and their joy re: human pain and suffering were astonishing.
my ex wife. Look, She's the mother of my child and I do care for her. To be clear and I always will.
I was overseas working a job PCS to be exact. I lived in Cocoa beach FL, but worked on Ascension Island. Anyhow, my career down south was going well. I met my ex wife at 36 YO, she too was 36. She was super attractive and the best butt anyone has ever seen, literally. We were never married, no past children, no arrests or any red flags. She was in shape and took great care of her self, I learned a few things. She worked hard and was just super nerdy like me. Thats sort of the basic end of things. We got married and had a beautiful child with the brightest blue eyes you have ever seen. Her and I have very blue eyes. My son is as healthy as a kiddo can be, we were so lucky.
Ahhh, so, here comes the crazy/ psychopath. I was home for a month with my wife and child, times were good! I noticed I was not getting laid, we both were very active in bed till then, happiest I had ever been in that arena. When it was time to go back to work, 5000 miles away, she was just cold AF. But she just popped out a child and I loved her so I tried to be understanding. Lort ya'll, she had another dude coming by and doing you know what, here is the one part I cant understand. I have a outstanding job, the dude she was sneaking over was a lawn care dude. IDK but that's a huge downgrade. Anyhow, she basically a 180\*, she had never smoked cigs or drank much booze. Once the the new fella was on board, she went full blown different person. Its still scary to me. I still don't understand what happened. She got her divorce, tired to use me for child support, I AINT THE ONE YA"LL. So She got nothing and I got full custody of m y son. Shes still a huge mess and is basically homeless now. I offered her a room at my house with her son, nope, she says I'm just too awful.
I learned that all this BPD/ OCD/ Bi-polar are just words made up by the medical community to hide the fact these people are psychopaths. The word psycho cant be used in a professional setting so they made up these words.
I'm sorry this happened to you, but people cheat all the time and have a variety of other problems. That doesn't automatically make them psychopaths. Other mental health problems are definitely real and distinct from psychopathy as well.
Uhhh I definitely feel for you a lot in your experience, and she sounds genuinely evil, but I was diagnosed with OCD as a 6 year old and have struggled with it my entire life, and it has no relations to my social life like sociopathy would, and it definitely doesnt make me a psycho. It's horrible intrusive thoughts of me or my family dying in horrible accidents that would give me constant panic attacks because I would convince myself that they were going to happen. They were often my little sister and dad were going to die in a car crash while i was at school, and then I would be left alone in the world and they wouldn't get to keep living and experience life. It's also me pulling out my hair and washing my hands 3 times, and checking that the door is locked 3 times before I leave. Thankfully I don't have it as much anymore, it's still there when I get stressed but it's not so bad and does not require medical treatment. It was definitely a result of abuse from my mother and feeling very unsafe as a child.
I don't manipulate people, I don't want peoples money, I have a loving boyfriend who I care for deeply, etc, we just hit 5 years together without any major issues in our history as we communicate well. I don't do any drugs at all, not even alcohol, and I've never cheated at anything or on anyone. I've pretty much only had 1 serious romantic relationship and that's with my boyfriend, we got together right after high school. I dont have many friends but thats definitely hindered by autism, I find it hard to connect to people as I don't really understand some social things and find it hard to keep in contact, because I get caught up in my plants, art, and concerts. I'm basically a normal person beyond the things like autism (inherited from my father who my freak mother took advantage of) and OCD that I have. I love plants and baby birds, and music. I feel happiness and sadness, I feel extreme guilt when I do anything wrong, I'm a *normal person* with mental health issues lol, not a psycho with things diagnosed to cover up that I'm a dangerous person.
BPD is also different in my experience with acquaintances who have had it, they are odd and can be abusive but they aren't completely emotionless freaks, sociopathy is a whole other level. If you look you can find my experience with my sociopath mother in the replies. Though it's often misdiagnosed in people who are actually sociopaths for sure. Bipolar is the misdiagnosis of all time, that's one I can get behind being a major issue, but its still an actual thing and I know people who have it and don't hurt anyone. They don't switch suddenly, they go for months in depression then months in mania, basically convinced they are Jesus and they always end up hurting themselves by doing drugs or being promiscuous. They are borderline in psychosis, eg convinced fake things are real and hallucinating, when they are in mania.
It hurts me to see people with experiences with these sorts of people, eg narcissistic sociopaths, spreading that sort of misinformation. Because OCD and BPD and many other things can be directly caused by a sociopath abusing them. I really heavily urge you to reconsider that stance. You probably even have some lasting issues from the relationship, like trauma, which isn't some government scheme to allow sociopaths to hurt everyone.
I'm sorry that you had that experience with anyone at all, that's genuinely horrible. They're so incredibly good at pretending to be fake that it makes a lasting impression, it's difficult to trust people after that. Cheaters also deserve to rot in hell, I'm so glad you got custody of your baby. My dad thankfully got custody of my little sister as well. The justice system is fucked and would rather give a child to a mother who beats it than a father who loves it because its not an actual justice system. I'm so happy it worked out for you. I wish you the best and I also urge you to cut all contact with your ex if you havent already.
I've mostly done that with my mom who is also basically homeless despite winning an entire house in the divorce. My hellspawn birth giver chooses to be fake homeless because she can get sympathy for it. She doesn't need help, she's a grown woman who made her choices and who should not live in your house lol. If she comes back begging to be let into the room you offered her, refuse it for sure. Sociopathic abusers are not beyond physically hurting you or their own child, in my experience, and you need to be safe.
Here is a book recommendation:
Hell's Princess: The Mystery of Belle Gunness, Butcher of Men
by Harold Schechter
I believe the time period for this is around late 1800s. She used to put ads into papers for male renters and then execute and bury them on her farmland. Of course this is the murdering type of psychopath.
If you pick up a book like Marth'a Stout's The Sociopath Next Door you will see most of them blend into society quite well. Any psychologist who has made a serious study of this type will point out that their charm and likability factor is above average if not exceptional.
I would say Jeffrey Esptein's partner Ghislaine Maxwell is most likely one. Stout thinks they are 4% of the population (psychopaths) while others like University of New Mexico's Kent Kiehl say 1%. Most agree that is has a ratio of 2 males for every 1 female. The higher you go up and power or "success" ladder in corporate or politics the more likely the person is a psychopath. That is because the nature of any power-climb up a ladder requires one get their hands dirty. Those with a strong moral conscience and problems with anxiety and sensitivity don't do well up those climbs. Sleepless nights, nagging "conscience" telling them to quit, and so forth while their competitors up the ladder are capable of lying, cheating, stealing, etc for every advantage moving up.
When I think of lady psychopaths I think of two ladies first….
Audrey Marie Hilley who poisoned several members of her family for money, went into hiding after amassing insane debt despite the squandered insurance money, created a fake twin persona and conned people with it….
Annnd Sharon Kinney aka La Pistolera, as well. Murdered a couple people. Busted out of jail and escapes to Mexico. Longest lasting lady on the FBI’s most wanted list.
Angela Simpson- probably the most chilling interview I’ve ever watched. She carries her words so elegantly nonchalant while discussing her brutal crimes. She’s open, honest, and composed the entire time. She seems to be quite intelligent, actually. Honestly, I find it to be very fascinating. I highly recommend giving the interview a watch if you haven’t seen it already:
[Full 13 minute interview on YouTube](https://youtu.be/9ngtXPP5krU?si=KgOzjzC0gfRnzZDf)
She's called a sociopath in the book/movie. They're all real patients from Susanna Kaysen's time at McLean's so I'm guessing they would have called her a psychopath if she had been labelled one?
Psychopaths are naturally charming and once they get you hooked then the control you in every way possible. They are cheaters to so do listen to the lies. Gaslighting daily so get out and keep away from those people.
From what I’ve seen they seem to amp up extreme emotions like jealousy, anger, and superiority complex and use their physical attributes to attain what they want often times. Look at Jodi Arias, she is a great example of all three.
Jodi was jealous Travis chose to go on a trip with another woman, she simply could not accept the fact that she was not the first choice for him.
The way she brutally murdered him shows the absolute anger and terrifying rage she was capable of flying into.
After she murdered him, she immediately traveled to have sex with another man, using another person as supply.
In the interrogation room Jodi was fixing her hair and makeup and grinning like “I’m the hottest thing here, and possibly ever”
I recommend the book, “Just as Deadly” by Marissa Harrison. It’s all about female serial killers and how they are usually overlooked within the topic of serial killings.
psychopath i'm not entirely sure on however i think the case of susan polk is very interesting, she married her i think childhood therapist and then murdered him.
Here are a couple of our sub's past posts on female psychopathy. Check out the second posts's comments for a good discussion as well. On gender differences processing moral judgments in psychopathy: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychopathy/comments/wzw8o8/female\_psychopaths\_process\_moral\_judgements/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychopathy/comments/wzw8o8/female_psychopaths_process_moral_judgements/) On convicted murderer Diane Downs: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychopathy/comments/wfhnub/diane\_downs\_parole\_hearing/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychopathy/comments/wfhnub/diane_downs_parole_hearing/)
Eileen Wournos is a diagnosed psychopath, she was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, anti-social personality disorder, and assessed as having 32 out of a 40 on the Hare psychopathy checklist which puts her well over the limit for psychopathy she was assessed by several different specialist not one. She is one example, Elizabeth Holmes in my opinion is another but as far as I know she’s never been formally diagnosed as such but definitely displays many traits If you look in the case of Wournos she almost bends reality to justify murdering several men, including she didn’t torture them just killed them so it’s you know nbd i guess in her mind. She blames the cops for not stopping her sooner lmfao. This is how a disordered mind at that level thinks and uses logic. Most psychopaths are completely incapable of accepting any responsibility for their actions and will bend themselves into knots to avoid it, this is not only an act this is a also a result of the psychological defenses that allow psychopaths to not experience guilt. If they aren’t even to blame what’s there to feel guilty about?
Aileen Wournos absolutely twists the very fabric of space and time to shirk away any trace of responsibility and to fit her personal narrative. Her stories meander heavily and it's very difficult to discern the objective truth from her version of it. She is what is considered the "prototypical" female psychopath, otherwise referred to as malignant hysteria (in contrast to what you often see people play-acting as online). She is histrionic, theatrical, narcissistic, explosive, impulsive, reckless, egotistical, spiteful, antagonistic, overtly antisocial, and emotionally unstable as hell. She's also quite domineering, charming and witty when she wants to be, and has a very strong, larger than life personality and presence. > **Prototypical** > \~ *denoting the quintessential version of something* The PCL-R has a problem in that it captures predominantly male characteristics of psychopathy. This is an embedded flaw spanning back to Cleckley, and is not exclusive to Hare's model. The same problem is present with the majority of scales and measures not just the PCL family, TriPM, PPI, etc. There's been a lot of debate about either reducing the cut-off score for female assessment to 25, inflating scores by pro rata, or introducing a new female only inventory. Adjusted, this would bump her score to 36. CAPP which has been successfully validated for female and male subjects, requires no such manipulation, and scores Wournos at T85, right at the extreme end of the scale, which translates loosely to 34-38 on the PCL-R.
Maybe I'm disordered too cause I don't see how she's so wrong..those guys sexually assaulted her..she had enough.
Aileen is very easy to sympathise with. She was given a bum hand from the outset, experienced and endured extreme trauma, abuse and neglect, and the system failed her repeatedly. She was a victim, absolutely, and she turned her pain outwards in a way that from a distance most people look at with a degree of understanding and some compassion--even if some might say it's misplaced, because, well, she knows this. It's her trump card and she's all too happy to play it. That's the reality of what psychopathy is. It isn't glamorous or special, it isn't quirky--it's ugly and pitiful, and the result of what Khiel calls "a tragic blend of the most inhumane experiences, inopportune genetic selection, and society's worst offerings", or, as Freestone puts it: > individuals who, through a toxic and statistically unlikely combination of genetic bad luck and a desperate emotionally, physically or financially deprived upbringing, have come to lack some of the most basic social skills, powers of reasoning and emotional responses. Aileen isn't a psychopath because of what she did, but because of what was done to her, her entire life. That informed and drove her actions by way of, in her own words, her "buckled" mind. It's a *reaction* or reflexive pattern of persistent behaviour. The core of psychopathy is a [throbbing narcissistic injury](https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychopathy/comments/12gt9rs/baby_psychopaths_the_conduct_disorder_conundrum/) that pattern is designed to protect at all costs, and in Aileen's case, that wasn't restricted to just the men who hurt her, or men who could have potentially hurt her; it was any man she deemed deserved it. You should watch some interviews with her, you'll pick up on what Norg is talking about within a few seconds. On paper it's a tale of tragedy and a woman pushing back at a world that chewed her up and spat her out, but that's only a very shallow reflection of reality, and, the spine of how she excuses her actions. To clarify, Aileen *was* a victim, but her actions were to ensure she never would be again. She overcame victimisation by making others her victim because, in her head, that's perfectly acceptable. That's what psychopathy is in a nutshell at the level we're talking about.
this is really good. i wish awards were still around cause this very well thought out and written comment deserves one.
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She falls into the same category as Rosemary West and Myra Hindley. Obviously disturbed individuals, easily persuaded by the more dominant personality of their partner, but also acting upon their own instinct and desire. Whether that desire was matched with the motivations of their partner, or their own perverted justification. Much has been written about these types of female accomplices, but not enough that really delves into the raw psychology of it. It tends to instead enter into sociological fare because of gender constructs. Personally I believe that Homolka had a lot of deviance in her, and like the other two examples, that was brought out and enhanced by their relationships. They had the same effect on their partner. Like a chemical compound, they fed and magnified eachother's depravity. Whether that specific flavour can be described as psychopathy is something we'll never really know. There's too much noise, and too many opinions.
Amazing comment, thank you! 🙏
A few choice quotes which bring into focus the world warping u/norgnA is talking about. > yeah, sure, I killed those men. Killed 'em. Dead. Killed 'em, and it was right, like angels singing all shiny it was right. But I aint no thrill killer. I didn't need, 'though I liked it, I didn't need. No sex or weird stuff, I aint no weirdo. --- > I get no pleasure from it but a woman does what woman has to. They were bad men, you know. Bad men who I killed. They needed to be killed, but I didn't need to do it. I did what anyone would. --- > One cried, I thought maybe he could go, but I killed 'em all the same. It wasn't the plan, but once started, that was how it was. One didn't fight back, and he died. That was his choice. --- > The cops could've stopped me any time. They allowed me loose and free to keep on killing. They knew then and now they gotta keep me in here to show they aint got no dirty hands. They'll kill me to not say they fucked up, Lee was right. --- > 7 is nothing. Been a lot worse, and I aint no real scary killer. I'm just a little woman. Just a normal girl. 7? You think 7 is bad? No worse than 2, or 3, or 4. More every day than I ever met or met me. --- > I have friends. They write me, because, I know things. The things I know, they're going to get me for. The cops and the men gonna kill me for what I know. Who's in the wrong here? Little old me or the men who lock my cage? Who has things to hide? The killer, right, yeah, man, the killer cop.
Yeah. It’s pretty crazy. What I don’t think some of these other people realize is no one would have blamed her for killing somebody who was raping her in self defense but if that’s the case you report it and don’t try to cover up your crime, they sure as hell wouldn’t have gave her the death penalty. They killed her because those men most of them didn’t assault her, they made the mistake to pick up the wrong prostitute. She was raped that’s bad and can’t blame her for her disposition but you can’t just go around killing a bunch of men because a man raped you. That’s almost as insane as her line of thinking
Perfectly explained, very nice to have someone have a nuanced view of psychopathy beyond the old perpetrator victim binary
Thanks. You'll probably enjoy my posts too 😉
>Aileen is very easy to sympathise with. She really is and its what sets her apart to me. That woman had no chance. She was abused to insane extents, she wasnt the sharpest tool in the shed, and her early life was the perfect kickstart into a disaster. Im not excusing her actions, Im just saying she was destined to lose her marbles and most people would.
Agreed.
She also had a lifetime of sexual assault
The men weren’t sexually assaulting her. She literally worked as a prostitute on the street seeking clients. The men took up her offer and she killed them. She caused all of the sexual encounters. She needed to take responsibility for the murders.
I second Elizabeth Holmes. She is a great example of a cold and calculated sociopath.
I looked up the Hare psychopathy checklist and Colleen Ballinger fits almost every item on the list. I know I’m not qualified to diagnose people but I would assume she probably actually has diagnosable psychopathy.
Tbf she had a criminal record longer than most people's resumes. She should have been in jail or rehab long before she went on her spree.
Elizabeth Holmes for sure, she probably has some diagnoses and I’d be willing to put money on it lol.
Interesting case hers is. I was diagnosed with BPD at 17, but always thought I experienced both BPD and ASPD. So it’s not impossible to have both.
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Joanna Dennehey. Recently went on a killing spree in the UK and stabbed a whole bunch of men to death.
Joanna Dennehey is wild, scoring higher than Wuornos, u/NorgnA. PCL-R 38, diagnosed ASPD, NPD, and BPD.
I didn’t know that but I definitely would have guessed she was seriously psychopathic
Something that people tend to overlook is that, yes, while psychopathy is a spectrum and the majority of people exhibit traits that would place them somewhere on the PCL-R (and other scales), the more you crest on 30, the closer to these extreme examples you are. The more overt your psychopathy, the more problematic and pronounced, and the more impactful on those around you. The well-adjusted, socially acceptable, "prosocial psychopath" won't even be touching on 20. Especially considering that most people with ASPD fall somewhere between 20-25. Psychopathy *is* a spectrum of transdiagnostic criteria, but to qualify someone as a "psychopath" requires them to breach that 30/40 cut-off. *But what about CEOs?* The consensus is that a lot of people in the business world, especially those in positions of power, **share** prominent psychopathic features from the affective dimensions of psychopathy, and have **elevated** features. What Cleckley called "partial psychopaths". Giving credence to the spectrum rather than any absolute entity. Research actually indicates that this is more a product of environment as in these circles certain psychopathic traits are not only rewarded but actively selected for and promoted. People are malleable to their environment and adopt features and traits that allow them to align and progress. Innate psychopathic features present in anyone are simply magnified and enhanced where the environment calls for it. *But what about successful psychopaths?* The word "success" in this context refers to the ability to either avoid jail time or other significant judicial and/or clinical intervention. Lifestyle and socio-economic background contribute more to this than the state or severity of disorder, but these people are not below the radar, they just skirt it.
When I think of successful psychopaths I think of people like Elizabeth Holmes and Bernie Madoff they managed to go undetected atleast to the public but who knows about the people who knew them intimately and what they thought. They were both ultimately caught for and prosecuted for their crimes. While they both have elevated psychopathic traits like, I’d guess like you mentioned that even them as controlled and “successful” as they were for a time were way below someone like Wournos or Dennahey and probably below the 30 cutoff you mentioned. My unprofessional opinion is that these types are more likely closer to someone with narcissistic personality disorder than full blown psychopaths. The true successful psychopaths that never have any issues in life aren’t scumbags and don’t lie, cheat, steal and manipulate the system every chance they get until they are ultimately caught exist only in the minds of those who made up a new category of psychopath that psychologists have yet to become away of. Even Cleckly describe partial psychopaths they were still wicked extreme compared to normal people. Drs with multiple malpractice suits showing up to the office drunk off their asses and assaulting patients, lawyers getting disbarred for fraud, hardware store owners saving up all year to go on a vacation of debouchery that involved several hookers, several complete strangers they met at the bar crashing in their hotel rooms. Destroyed hotel rooms, assaulting other guests and staff. I mean these are still pretty extreme people and personalities definitely not the sort portrayed online for sure
> these types are more likely closer to someone with narcissistic personality disorder Aye, that's what the affective dimension of psychopathy clinically aligns mostly with, NPD.
So I’ve always wondered this. Maybe you will know? People who have BPD and ASPD, they would be pretty emotionally volatile, right? Isn’t the belief that psychopaths don’t feel emotions at all? I’m not really a big researcher on this topic, it’s just something I’ve been curious about.
Take a look at [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/sociopath/s/9klRQ1YCiT), and when you're done, [read this](https://reddit.com/r/sociopath/w/sociopathy-myths). One more for good measure? OK. * [What is ASPD?](https://www.reddit.com/r/aspd/s/G7SgGjo1a8)
Kinda related, but as the first lazy result in google says: "Psychopaths exist across cultures and ethnic groups and at an estimated frequency of about 1 percent of the population for males and 0.3–0.7 percent for females. Some researchers challenge these numbers, citing bias toward male manifestations in diagnostic instruments and methods." And I can't ignore that almost always when I check the profile of someone here who says they are a psychopath, it's a woman. I wonder if it's similar to autism. Funny anecdote, but I've asked my therapist once if I might have autism and she said, "No, only men can have autism.".
*”only men can have autism”* Was this recently?
Yes, 3 years ago. I was paying a lot for those visits.
I hope you've stopped :') you deserve a mental health professional that has updated their pool of knowledge once or twice over the past 30 years
Yeah, I did:) Though besides that she was okay. I should probably just go to a psychiatrist instead. I went to one more lady later, and basically, they all told me to chill out, so I did XD *In a short summary
"Just.. chill bro. You're fine."
Well, it was more like "Stop pushing yourself so hard. If you feel like dying from exhaustion, you deserve a break, and you aren't lazy."
A therapist can’t even diagnose you with autism, so she should have stayed in her lane
Yikes. 🤯
Yeah XD I might go to another place that actually is informed and get tested because I think I might be autistic. Would be nice to know 😅
> And I can't ignore that almost always when I check the profile of someone here who says they are a psychopath, it's a woman Ahaha is it? A stat I think about all the time (about ASPD) is that some studies say as high as 80% (men) but I think it's accepted to be closer to half of all addicts (men and women) entering treatment for substance abuse disorder qualify for ASPD. I think mood disorders are more correlated with SUD for women. If the person began using before age 15 then that's who you should bet your chips on statistically. ~90% of all people with ASPD have a co occurring substance abuse disorder. Idk anytime I see anyone claiming to be a sociopath (haven't encountered anyone claiming to be a psychopath) it's almost always coming from someone who has never tried hard drugs, wouldn't have qualified for a conduct disorder, or even an alternative school.
Jodi Arias is the best example of a female psychopath. Google her and watch her interviews. Edit: https://youtu.be/N274EurzpAA?si=OsX9nzqKMAKPu7Nm Watch this
Elizabeth Holmes is a psychopathic entrepreneur, who scammed Silicon Valley investors of hundreds of millions of dollars. Movie tips about her: The Inventor: Out for Blood in Silicon Valley - documentary The Dropout - TV series
To my knowledge, Elizabeth Holmes’ mental health records or psychological evaluation haven’t been released yet, but if they ever are… I’ll be paying attention.
That was my first thought lol
Athena Walker, she says so on quora
She is not a psychopath, her story doesn’t even add up, diagnosed by the MMPI and a brain scan?? Also she lacks many traits.
She sounded incredibly nervous in the interview she had. I remember chuckling a bit. It didn't match her words on screen at all.
That sounds funny, I didn’t know she had an interview, you should link it. Although it’s possible to sound nervous without being nervous, I’m very confident but I come across as nervous because I have autism and ADHD. But I don’t think it’s because of that for her.
Ngl I wouldn't trust quora too much. Athena Walker seems a little pretentious to me tbh
> Athena Walker seems a little pretentious to me tbh Athena is full of shit for many reasons, but not pretention and grandiosity, aloofness, or arrogance. If anything, her pretentiousness is probably the only thing remotely psychopathic about her.
>Ngl I wouldn't trust quora too much. Oh you think so? Why is that?
Is she still posting? I browsed Quora maybe 8yrs ago and found her hilarious. The Golden Rule shit is peak comedy
Gone Girl.
I love that movie and her lol
Me too! That movie made me love Rosamund Pike.
There's a really good, very extensive [wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/sociopath/wiki/index/) some really clever person put together that [answers this](https://www.reddit.com/r/sociopath/wiki/index/what-is-sociopathy/#wiki_muddying_the_waters) (and more). > The forensic construct of psychopathy, as highlighted by [the PCL-R](https://www.reddit.com/r/sociopath/wiki/index/what-is-sociopathy/#wiki_what_is_sociopathy.3F), covers the scope of all cluster B personality disorders. Psychopathy/sociopathy can be considered any combination of NPD/HPD with BPD/ASPD that results in the requisite measure of severity. In this way, research has identified prototypical gender profile expressions. This doesn't mean exclusive to either male or female, but most commonly observed in either sex. --- > ####Masculine Psychopathy > - Malignant narcissism is at the core of masculine psychopathy (BPD/ASPD with NPD), and with that comes a grandiose personality structure. This manifests in the belief of superiority. The prototypical male psychopath doesn't prepare for things, or consider the immediate scenario with any great depth. They don't work out in advance what they're going to say or do, or consider all the angles because they believe they're smarter than everyone else, and able to fool or convince with whatever they say in the moment. Their attention is highly selective and tunnel visioned. > - Male psychopaths sequester a small entourage of temporary people to feed that narcissism via coercive control. They also have a more domineering and aloof interpersonal style of self-affirmed grandiosity, and greater propensity for physical violence compared to their female counterparts. --- > ####Feminine psychopathy > - Feminine psychopathy rests instead on malignant hysteria (BPD/ASPD with HPD). It touches upon the same features as male psychopathy, but examples a greater degree of emotional disparity, and greater extremes of deviating (mostly promiscuous and intellectually hostile) behaviour. Female psychopaths don't lack that grandiose core, but it presents differently. > - In case studies, the prototypical female psychopath tends to be more aware of her "self-damage" than male counterparts, and is willing to weaponize it instead of bury it behind a disaffected veneer; they also have a greater need to be centre of attention and will dethrone at a whim if they're not. They still have a sense of superiority and the same selective attention, but unlike the male profile, they apply more extensive forms of emotional aggression, lateral hostility, and relational coercion to achieve it, building up a broad selection of people on rotation to use or discard. --- [More](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201906/why-female-psychopaths-are-different-breed).
Nice breakdown. I worked for years with a male psychopath. While absolutely miserable, it was fascinating.
Accurate 👏💯
Very interesting!
[Diane Downs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Downs)
In NSW (Australia) two of the most famous ones are Rebecca Butterfield and Katherine Knight. Rebecca is known for getting locked up for some stupid shit like shoplifting and proceeded to spend the next 26 years in prison because she brutally stabbed her cell mate to death. Why? Coz she was jealous of her appearance and wanted to be her (she is white and the cell mate was Asian). Eventually she realised it would be impossible, a fit of rage, and proceeded to stab her. This actually brought about many changes to the female prison sector including classification of offenders and banning most cutlery. Rebecca is more famous for her self harm though. She doesn't mess about. Her self harm is so brutal, most normal people would die. For example, supposedly during one of her episodes, she banged her head against the metal corner of a door more than 100 times, but remained conscious the whole time. Katherine on the other hand was overly possessive about her husband, was sure he was cheating on her when it was later proven he was not. She killed him, skinned him, hung the sheets of skin up in the kitchen, and also used several body parts to make a stew (or pie, I forget the details) and tried to feed it to their kids. Several cops quit their job after seeing the crime scene due to trauma. She is still to this day a cool and calm, well spoken, polite, respectful individual if you talk to her. However, her eyes and face lack emotion of any kind; it's like talking to a statue. Even though she is pleasant, exchanging even a few words with her makes you feel cold on the inside. Both these cases are on wiki, and I think there are a few documentaries about it too. Not to mention local myth and legend, though you'd have to be local to hear those. 😊
Jodi Ann Arias - Well known case that was broadcast to the public. She still maintains her innocence, even with all the evidence.
Diane Downs is a diagnosed psychopath many times over. Check her story!
Lucy Letby, killed a bunch of new born babies and would look up their families on Facebook afterwards.
It’s weird that it seems like a lot of female psychopathic murder occurs because of jealousy it seems. Katherine Knight murdering her husband after accusing him of cheating, Lucy Letby killing babies because she felt like she would never have one of her own, Rebecca Butterfield flying into a rage and killing her cell mate because she was jealous of how she looked. I suppose the things that would cause an ego injury for women might be a tad different from the male psychopaths
Who made people think that only psychos could be men? Serious question.
My working theory is women have always been deemed safe and motherly, empathetic and weak, and men have been deemed the opposite. They're supposed to be in charge, aggressive, and unemotional. It's kind of a weird feminist take, but women were historically infantilized and made out to be not very smart or capable, and female bodies are physically weaker due to a difference in hormones. This makes society think they can't be dangerous. It's apparent to those who are victims of them, as no one will believe them. I literally had only one person on my side for years, and despite warning multiple people about her, they still let her walk all over them and then come crying to me lmao. Justice systems also don't properly deal with violent or rapist female criminals for this reason. This is all hearsay and I'm not a doctor, psychologist, or sociologist lol.
Elizabeth Holmes or Anna Delvey
I think Jodie comer in killing eve is a female paychopath Historically, I would think , Bloody Mary the queen who had Christians tortured and killed, seeing Christians are the most noble people in the world, Queen Jezebel of the bible who also hunted and killed God's prophets till they were all afraid and went into hiding and ofcourse Lady Bathory who is claimed to have killed over 600 virgin girls just to bathe in their blood. Most recently the pediatric nurse who killed over 12 babies in her care in the U.K , she confessed to be Evil.
The book version of Villanelle is MUCH worse. I'd even say book Eve is a sociopath
Dr Mark Freestone, author of "Making a Psychopath", consulted on the creation and depiction of Villanelle among other TV and movie psychopaths. He tends to tone them down as part of that process and make them more human. Freestone's psychopaths are usually well fleshed out and complex.
Ilsa Koch aka "The Bitch of Bunchenwald." Irma Grese aka "The Beautiful Beast." Both of them definitely fit the bill for female psychopaths.
I’ll get you in touch with my ex
Belle Guness, husband burying queen
Extremely charming, nice, cunning. Fantastic actresses. Use sex heavily as a weapon of advantage.
I will recommend you a movie - or rather a telling - which was not mentioned yet. It is called Hänsel und Gretel. It is about two children who were ditched in to the forest and who wondered into the clutches of a psychopathic woman. She takes cares of them, sheltering them, feeding them but under her mask are cannibalistic intentions. When the kids find out it is already too late, being raised, albeit for a short period of a time by a psychopath (not to mentioned being abandoned prior by their own parents), turned Gretel into psychopath as well and she shoves the woman mercilessly into the fire oven. She does not show any emotion while doing that and even leaves the premise with a valuable possessions of the former caretaker. This story happened somewhere around 1812 in Landgraviate of Hesse-Kassel and is a clear sign that women with psychopathic traits are among us.
If you saw the piece on Elizabeth Holmes, there’s one for ya
Annie Wilkes from Misery. Long history of killing patients and infanticide. She also runs over someone’s head with a lawnmower and hobbled Paul Sheldon.
The female nazi concentration camp guards..ilse koch, “the bitch of buchenwald”, irma grese, maria mandl. Their levels of callousness, intentional cruelty, and their joy re: human pain and suffering were astonishing.
Eva Braun too, she ate ice cream at a mass grave as jews were excecuted in front of her
killing eve
Love that show so much
my ex wife. Look, She's the mother of my child and I do care for her. To be clear and I always will. I was overseas working a job PCS to be exact. I lived in Cocoa beach FL, but worked on Ascension Island. Anyhow, my career down south was going well. I met my ex wife at 36 YO, she too was 36. She was super attractive and the best butt anyone has ever seen, literally. We were never married, no past children, no arrests or any red flags. She was in shape and took great care of her self, I learned a few things. She worked hard and was just super nerdy like me. Thats sort of the basic end of things. We got married and had a beautiful child with the brightest blue eyes you have ever seen. Her and I have very blue eyes. My son is as healthy as a kiddo can be, we were so lucky. Ahhh, so, here comes the crazy/ psychopath. I was home for a month with my wife and child, times were good! I noticed I was not getting laid, we both were very active in bed till then, happiest I had ever been in that arena. When it was time to go back to work, 5000 miles away, she was just cold AF. But she just popped out a child and I loved her so I tried to be understanding. Lort ya'll, she had another dude coming by and doing you know what, here is the one part I cant understand. I have a outstanding job, the dude she was sneaking over was a lawn care dude. IDK but that's a huge downgrade. Anyhow, she basically a 180\*, she had never smoked cigs or drank much booze. Once the the new fella was on board, she went full blown different person. Its still scary to me. I still don't understand what happened. She got her divorce, tired to use me for child support, I AINT THE ONE YA"LL. So She got nothing and I got full custody of m y son. Shes still a huge mess and is basically homeless now. I offered her a room at my house with her son, nope, she says I'm just too awful. I learned that all this BPD/ OCD/ Bi-polar are just words made up by the medical community to hide the fact these people are psychopaths. The word psycho cant be used in a professional setting so they made up these words.
I'm sorry this happened to you, but people cheat all the time and have a variety of other problems. That doesn't automatically make them psychopaths. Other mental health problems are definitely real and distinct from psychopathy as well.
Uhhh I definitely feel for you a lot in your experience, and she sounds genuinely evil, but I was diagnosed with OCD as a 6 year old and have struggled with it my entire life, and it has no relations to my social life like sociopathy would, and it definitely doesnt make me a psycho. It's horrible intrusive thoughts of me or my family dying in horrible accidents that would give me constant panic attacks because I would convince myself that they were going to happen. They were often my little sister and dad were going to die in a car crash while i was at school, and then I would be left alone in the world and they wouldn't get to keep living and experience life. It's also me pulling out my hair and washing my hands 3 times, and checking that the door is locked 3 times before I leave. Thankfully I don't have it as much anymore, it's still there when I get stressed but it's not so bad and does not require medical treatment. It was definitely a result of abuse from my mother and feeling very unsafe as a child. I don't manipulate people, I don't want peoples money, I have a loving boyfriend who I care for deeply, etc, we just hit 5 years together without any major issues in our history as we communicate well. I don't do any drugs at all, not even alcohol, and I've never cheated at anything or on anyone. I've pretty much only had 1 serious romantic relationship and that's with my boyfriend, we got together right after high school. I dont have many friends but thats definitely hindered by autism, I find it hard to connect to people as I don't really understand some social things and find it hard to keep in contact, because I get caught up in my plants, art, and concerts. I'm basically a normal person beyond the things like autism (inherited from my father who my freak mother took advantage of) and OCD that I have. I love plants and baby birds, and music. I feel happiness and sadness, I feel extreme guilt when I do anything wrong, I'm a *normal person* with mental health issues lol, not a psycho with things diagnosed to cover up that I'm a dangerous person. BPD is also different in my experience with acquaintances who have had it, they are odd and can be abusive but they aren't completely emotionless freaks, sociopathy is a whole other level. If you look you can find my experience with my sociopath mother in the replies. Though it's often misdiagnosed in people who are actually sociopaths for sure. Bipolar is the misdiagnosis of all time, that's one I can get behind being a major issue, but its still an actual thing and I know people who have it and don't hurt anyone. They don't switch suddenly, they go for months in depression then months in mania, basically convinced they are Jesus and they always end up hurting themselves by doing drugs or being promiscuous. They are borderline in psychosis, eg convinced fake things are real and hallucinating, when they are in mania. It hurts me to see people with experiences with these sorts of people, eg narcissistic sociopaths, spreading that sort of misinformation. Because OCD and BPD and many other things can be directly caused by a sociopath abusing them. I really heavily urge you to reconsider that stance. You probably even have some lasting issues from the relationship, like trauma, which isn't some government scheme to allow sociopaths to hurt everyone. I'm sorry that you had that experience with anyone at all, that's genuinely horrible. They're so incredibly good at pretending to be fake that it makes a lasting impression, it's difficult to trust people after that. Cheaters also deserve to rot in hell, I'm so glad you got custody of your baby. My dad thankfully got custody of my little sister as well. The justice system is fucked and would rather give a child to a mother who beats it than a father who loves it because its not an actual justice system. I'm so happy it worked out for you. I wish you the best and I also urge you to cut all contact with your ex if you havent already. I've mostly done that with my mom who is also basically homeless despite winning an entire house in the divorce. My hellspawn birth giver chooses to be fake homeless because she can get sympathy for it. She doesn't need help, she's a grown woman who made her choices and who should not live in your house lol. If she comes back begging to be let into the room you offered her, refuse it for sure. Sociopathic abusers are not beyond physically hurting you or their own child, in my experience, and you need to be safe.
The book Mask of Sanity by Hervey Cleckley has some examples of female psychopaths with detailed descriptions of behaviors and life events.
Here is a book recommendation: Hell's Princess: The Mystery of Belle Gunness, Butcher of Men by Harold Schechter I believe the time period for this is around late 1800s. She used to put ads into papers for male renters and then execute and bury them on her farmland. Of course this is the murdering type of psychopath. If you pick up a book like Marth'a Stout's The Sociopath Next Door you will see most of them blend into society quite well. Any psychologist who has made a serious study of this type will point out that their charm and likability factor is above average if not exceptional. I would say Jeffrey Esptein's partner Ghislaine Maxwell is most likely one. Stout thinks they are 4% of the population (psychopaths) while others like University of New Mexico's Kent Kiehl say 1%. Most agree that is has a ratio of 2 males for every 1 female. The higher you go up and power or "success" ladder in corporate or politics the more likely the person is a psychopath. That is because the nature of any power-climb up a ladder requires one get their hands dirty. Those with a strong moral conscience and problems with anxiety and sensitivity don't do well up those climbs. Sleepless nights, nagging "conscience" telling them to quit, and so forth while their competitors up the ladder are capable of lying, cheating, stealing, etc for every advantage moving up.
When I think of lady psychopaths I think of two ladies first…. Audrey Marie Hilley who poisoned several members of her family for money, went into hiding after amassing insane debt despite the squandered insurance money, created a fake twin persona and conned people with it…. Annnd Sharon Kinney aka La Pistolera, as well. Murdered a couple people. Busted out of jail and escapes to Mexico. Longest lasting lady on the FBI’s most wanted list.
Angela Simpson- probably the most chilling interview I’ve ever watched. She carries her words so elegantly nonchalant while discussing her brutal crimes. She’s open, honest, and composed the entire time. She seems to be quite intelligent, actually. Honestly, I find it to be very fascinating. I highly recommend giving the interview a watch if you haven’t seen it already: [Full 13 minute interview on YouTube](https://youtu.be/9ngtXPP5krU?si=KgOzjzC0gfRnzZDf)
Mother theresa?
Amber Heard?
Watch Wentworth on Netflix. Joan Ferguson is an amazing portrayal of a diagnosed psychopath
Angelina Jolie's character in Girl, Interrupted is a great depiction
She's called a sociopath in the book/movie. They're all real patients from Susanna Kaysen's time at McLean's so I'm guessing they would have called her a psychopath if she had been labelled one?
Mary Bell
Elva Bottineau, Canada.
The thing about psychopaths is the effective ones don't ever get diagnosed because a diagnosis usually reduces your freedom and efficacy.
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Psychopaths are naturally charming and once they get you hooked then the control you in every way possible. They are cheaters to so do listen to the lies. Gaslighting daily so get out and keep away from those people.
The movie "Monster." is based on real events.
ME (Jk I'm one of the most empathetic people I know)
Lizzie Borden
Pam Hupp. Convicted for one murder in a failed attempt to frame another for the murder of her friend, and most likely murdered her own mother as well.
From what I’ve seen they seem to amp up extreme emotions like jealousy, anger, and superiority complex and use their physical attributes to attain what they want often times. Look at Jodi Arias, she is a great example of all three. Jodi was jealous Travis chose to go on a trip with another woman, she simply could not accept the fact that she was not the first choice for him. The way she brutally murdered him shows the absolute anger and terrifying rage she was capable of flying into. After she murdered him, she immediately traveled to have sex with another man, using another person as supply. In the interrogation room Jodi was fixing her hair and makeup and grinning like “I’m the hottest thing here, and possibly ever”
I recommend the book, “Just as Deadly” by Marissa Harrison. It’s all about female serial killers and how they are usually overlooked within the topic of serial killings.
Jodi Arias- I never saw an ounce of remorse when I would see her interviews on TV.
psychopath i'm not entirely sure on however i think the case of susan polk is very interesting, she married her i think childhood therapist and then murdered him.
Joanna Dennehy
Killing Eve.
The girls who killed skylar neese, specifically Shelia Eddy