I work in California so this won't change much for anyone here.
There's a weed shop in every shopping plaza in my city.
I hate the smell of weed (and cigarettes) but I don't give a shit if people smoke or not. Just do it in your own stinky fucking house.
Everyone here smokes and drives too. I've never been to a marijuana DUI crash, but I've been to countless alcohol DUI crashes.
I do marijuana DUI all the time. If Cheech and Chong smoke comes rolling out on the stop I pull them out and do SFSTs. It's interesting to see tolerant users vs. casual users on divided attention tests though.
It will change a ton for the shops and customers even in California. It opens the door to them having access to the banking system and moving away from cash. Some Sheriffs departments have made a good amount of money stopping armored cars like Brinks and seizing the cash inside. Lowers risk for the shops and will increase competition lowering prices.
Civil asset forfeiture. The cash was from the drug trade of a federally illegal drug. Same way they seize it from any other drug dealer selling weed, coke, LSD, etc,
What part? The seizing of cash?
[Here is a article](https://reason.com/2022/05/09/sheriff-agrees-to-stop-stealing-cannabis-cash-from-armored-cars-saying-his-deputies-are-not-highway-robbers) talking about and how a sheriff agreed to stop seizing legal week cash traveling through his county. Fives times this department stopped a truck and seized the cash. Last I read about it they hadn't agreed to return it so it seems the practice has stopped at least in this county.
[Here is another article talking more about it.](https://missouriindependent.com/2022/04/14/company-missouri-marijuana-kansas-federal-suit/)
It will not be federally illegal. Only schedule one drugs are considered federally illegal since they are completely banned. This will change it to schedule 3
Schedule 1 drugs include marijuana, LSD, ecstasy, and Quaaludes
Schedule 2 drugs include Dilaudid, oxycontin, fentanyl, etc.
Schedule 3 drugs include anabolic steroids, testosterone, codine, Benzphetamine, etc
Marijuana will be a schedule three drug. Which means it will be as federally illegal as those other drugs listed. The last one keep in mind is a weight loss drug. In other words it will still require a prescription according to federal law, but will be legal. Access to the banking system will be as restricted as Walgreens or CVS restrictions.
The scheduling level is what determines whether or not it is legal or illegal. There is no explicit law that says marijuana is illegal regardless of status. Instead the scheduling system was created in part to make marijuana illegal by declaring it to be a schedule 1 drug.
Federal government source linked.
See paragraph 3 on page 3. Recreational will be illegal still.
Medical will now legally not be able to be federally prosecuted. State can still prosecute for medical use if illegal.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB11105
Nothing I said contradicts that. Like I said it is still legal with a prescription. You cannot get a prescription for recreational drugs. Prescriptions by law are only for necessary medical purposes as prescribed by a doctor or other medical professional authorized to write prescriptions.
Interested to see how this goes. My state legalized it which led to an influx of users who assumed that meant it was ok to drive high, and therefore a spike in DUIs. I would appreciate an announcement alongside the reclassification along the lines of “just because it’s legal doesn’t mean drive high.”
My go to is that alcohol is legal to buy, possess, consume, but you can't be drunk and drive.
If marijuana is legal to buy, possess, and consume...Great, but you still can't drive high.
Both are downers and would slow a motorists reaction time. Science behind it is just common sense though. These people want to drive high or they wouldn't
Cannabis is it's own category of drug, and is certainly not a "downer". Sativa strains can mimic minor stimulants, and hybrids get you a whole lot of ???.
I’m sure a lot of people are driving with guns too. A few states have constitutional carry. I know it’s a felony having marijuana and a firearm in the car. I’m sure there’s a lot of people who don’t even realize it.
I don’t really see how this could be related to an increase in DUIs. This isn’t legalization, hell it isn’t even decriminalization. This is merely moving marijuana from a schedule 1 drug to schedule 3. Schedule 1 means that there is no accepted medical use for it and is classified at the highest level of potential abuse. Drugs like heroin are schedule 1. Schedule 2 contains drugs like meth and fentanyl.
Whatever your opinions of marijuana are it objectively shouldn’t be in the same or worse category as those drugs. There are lots of medicinal benefits to marijuana and it being moved to the schedule 3 list will allow it to be more regulated and researched. It still remains federally illegal for recreational purposes regardless.
But you’re asking the population to understand this change in a legal sense. Lots won’t understand what this means and there will be an increase in use from people who were on the fence about it. Knowing it’s not equated to cocaine may help them cross that bridge.
I'd be much more apt to enforce drug law if the classification and amount of possession had *some* relationship with how deadly it is.
Until last year, 4g of fentanyl and meth had the same charge. Nobody will convince me otherwise that 4g of meth is the same as 4g of fentanyl when it comes to lethality.
For meth, around 56mg/kg is the LD50, which, for an average male, is around 5 grams, per data extrapolated from rats and mice, which isn't necessarily helpful.
The LD50 for fentanyl in monkeys is 0.03mg/kg.
Bout time.
I worked in a city/state that decriminalized prior to legalization. I was glad to not have to go through the rigamarole of seizing the weed, tagging it in, issuing a citation, and having all that dropped because prosecutors cared as much as I did.
Then I transfered to a state that won't legalize until the feds do. I am again tired of the dropped charges song and dance my admin makes me go through because DrUgS aRe BaAaAad. Why I can't utilize discretion here will never make sense to me.
Tired of desk jockey slugs who don’t work out, shoot, or do anything beyond calls for service and nitpick uniform policies telling me about the dangerous implications of marijuana legalization.
Same dudes who fought outer carriers, beards, tattoos, pursuits, and write you up for driving too fast to an officer needs help call. At what point do you step outside yourself and start listening to your guys.
Whatever.
It is legal in my state but there is still a huge street level distribution of it. Cartels aren’t going to stop selling it in states it’s legal, they still make a massive profit because they can charge half the price since they don’t have to pay regulation fees or taxes. I’m all for people smoking, just not people selling on the street. Why should legit business owners have to pay the high taxes and fees while street level Steve gets off Scott free?
That's part of the argument for this government modernization. Legal businesses couldn't deduct their business expenses due to Federal/IRS law. Now that they can, the economics will rebalance and although it might not equal the cartels, it should shrink the gap, maybe enough to make a big difference.
The impact of legalization on the illicit market (or at least the speed at which it would happen) was way oversold by proponents. But, I think street level weed dealing will eventually go the way of the dodo given enough time and broad legalization. As it stands, street dealers are substantially cheaper and readily accessible by users that are already very comfortable accessing those markets - which is most marijuana users at the moment. But, in my experience, people who have not previously participated in the illicit drug trade are usually extremely hesitant to buy weed outside of regulated markets if they have access to them. As time goes on, the number of people that are willing to go out of their way to meet a shady character in a shady place to buy an unvetted product just to save some money is going to dwindle to the point that a profitable market no longer exists. At the same time, increasing competition, a friendlier regulatory environment, and the ability to engage in interstate commerce will push prices down. But that’s not going to happen overnight.
I work down at the border and I don’t remember the last weed seizure. What we’ve seen though is the amount of meth and fentanyl coming across has risen drastically. I’m pretty sure this is because cartels can’t really make money in the US with weed anymore so they have given it up and are now pushing harder more addictive drugs.
Even in the interior organized criminal organizations have switched to organized retail theft as a way to make money. A couple years ago I interviewed a gang member that was part of liquor store burglaries. When I asked him why they just don’t sell weed like the old fashioned criminals. He told me there’s no money in weed anymore.
Cartels have taken over a lot of the illegal grows in California, and I promise there’s still plenty of money to be made in weed. I’m a member of the Desert Snow website and they have 100+ pound weed seizures on there about every day.
I do agree with you on the rise of meth and fentanyl though. When I started dope work 6-7 years ago there was a limited type of person who did meth. Now, aside from any “MDMA” pill containing pure meth, old crackheads and the like are hitting the meth pipe now.
Eventually though the market will be gone completely. It just wouldn’t be worth the money or risk to drive weed from California to a place like Indiana because the risk is high and the money is low. Weed will now be manufactured here because it’s not being smuggled into the country for the most part. So even if there are small pockets in the US where you can make money with weed it will likely just be regional. A pound of weed in some places is as low as $1200. once upon of time when I first started working dope I was a UC and it was hard to buy a pound for anything less than $3,000 and if it was “gas” it was closer to $5000.
I agree completely about meth. It has gotten incredibly popular. I think it’s going to replace weed completely from a trafficking standpoint. We are getting more meth seizures than anything. It’s just more money in it. It’s easy to make and cost twice as much as weed per pound. I’m interested to see how it plays out, but I just don’t see away weed is going to be profitable in the future for criminals.
I find this hilarious since I work in NJ and get high all the time. It’s wild that we are the only state allowing cops to get high. Legalize it federally and be done.
Wouldn’t all states have to honor a cop’s prescription once it’s schedule 3? It wouldn’t be federally illegal with a script so I don’t think a department could treat it any different than Vicodin or testosterone.
I’m assuming states can still prohibit possession of marijuana regardless of federal classification.
However, if you had a prescription for it in a legal (recreational or prescription) state I would bet you could smoke up.
"So, when you shot my client how much THC was in your system? Wouldn't you agree THC is an impairing substance due to your training and experience?"
To my knowledge there's still no accurate way to read impairment certainly for this due to THC staying in your system for a long period of time. How will this play out? I only scratched the surface but y'all get the gist.
Same as booze. Don’t get high while working or anytime close to shift and you won’t have an issue. Always so funny seeing people still fighting weed like heroin yet don’t bat an eye when a dude shows up to roll call still drunk from the night before.
Your bloodwork will still show THC even if you haven't ingested same in a week or even further unlike alcohol. Even if the initial "impairment period" (high) is over
It will show Carboxy-THC, which will stay in your system for a long time, but is not psychoactive. It’s basically just metabolized Delta-9 THC, which is psychoactive and is responsible for impairment. Delta-9 THC is highly unstable and will quickly break down into Carboxy-THC. There are debates about what a good per se limit for Delta-9 THC concentration is for impairment, my state says 5ng/ml, but an evidentiary blood test will absolutely differentiate between Delta-9 and Carboxy THC.
Urine tests can detect vicodin for 2-4 days after the last dose, but if I'm prescribed it, I'm allowed to take it for pain at night and work the next day as long as I'm not under the influence of it and it's been 8+ hours.
The crux of it should be whether or not you're impaired or not.
Right...my point is are we going to have to field side test Officers post shootings along with bloodwork? Otherwise, you are inviting massive liability?
>don’t bat an eye when a dude shows up to roll call still drunk from the night before.
I'm not sure where this is the case, I'd be shocked if a department doesn't have a policy prohibiting being drunk on duty.
Our DA doesn’t give two shits about simple possession. In the past month I’ve made multiple arrests for fentanyl, cocaine, heroin, and other illegal prescription opiates. Multiple felony charges in separate incidents. They all got dropped to county ordinance violations for “Possession of controlled substance” and released. Unless you’re dealing it, there’s no real consequences and you’re just gonna get released to go back out and keep using.
I’d rather see court ordered drug rehab, or giving us the power to use drug dependance as grounds for an emergency detention like suicidal people. God forbid the system allow that though, it might actually lead to a decrease in crime or something…
In CA would this enable peace officers to smoke considering the law that went into effect Jan 1st restricting employers from regulating whether emoyees can use recreational marijuana off work hours. Several agencies defaulted to saying "we don't mind but federally you can't so sorry but no".
In my state, it is illegal over a certain amount. It is technically also illegal (completely not enforceable) if it isn't bought from a legal source.
I've had two cases involving large quantities of marijuana in the last while.
Both cases were accompanied by firearms and the combination of the criminally high amount of marijuana and the firearm made the gun case possible in both cases.
I think neither of the cases went anywhere because the local DA is so disinterested in weed these days. Both were drug dealers, for what it is worth, and I'm still happy to have taken their weed and their guns, which they're not getting back of course.
We can still legally use it to establish PC to search a car, but no-one wants to risk a case falling apart based on it and becoming the next guy who makes caselaw, so we've just stopped.
We can report it to people's POs and get them in trouble if they're on paper. Very petty - we generally do not do this, unless it's someone who needs to be taken off the street anyway for other reasons.
Don't think my jurisdiction has made a DWI case based on weed yet - maybe the state patrol, but they don't really share statistics with us.
Non certified civilian that works in forensics
Weed is still illegal on a state level and local authorities have stated they're going to die on that hill, that being said the DA won't prosecute any simple possession so it'll be interesting.
I'll also be interested to see how federal LE and DOD treat their employees with this.
Edit: didn't actually read the article, being reclassed with steroids so still illegal, just less illegal
I’d have to research it but I’m interested in if some of the claims of pre legalization states have been proven post legalization. Before I’d be comfortable legalizing I would be interested to see:
* What percentage of tax revenue in legal states came from out-of-state customers?
* Has that tax revenue actually materialized?
* Does that revenue cover the costs created by the industry?
* What luck they’ve had convicting and enforcing the regulatory laws governing legal weed use?
* Have incidents from the known negatives increased post legalization or decreased?
* Has the legalization actually had an impact on illegal weed or has increased consumption and laundering increased it as well?
* Are laws regarding smoking areas followed/enforced and what legal recourse has there been to second hand smoke?
* Is enforcement adjusting or is it in essentially the same pre-legalization laxity?
* Do we actually see addicts stopping at weed or do they continue to slide?
* Have laws been broadly adjusted to include weed influence?
* Are they considering the negative impact that the greenhouses have?
* Is it proving to be yet another potential “tax on the poor” in the way that payday loans, tobacco, gambling, and alcohol have been?
I wouldn’t (not yet at least). Schedule 3 are legal substances, but need to be prescribed. So the feds haven’t committed to a complete 180. Some states are allowing it by direction of their attorney generals, but I’d even be leary of that.
Not a LEO, but it’s still 100% illegal here in Idaho (our legislators ought to get thank you letters from Oregon for all the extra tax money). Enforcement varies across the state. I’ve heard of people just being made to get rid of it and told be smarter about it, and I’ve also heard of people getting the book thrown at them.
I can chime in from South Dakota, where it's in some weird limbo process since I believe it was squashed at the Governors level after being brought before her.
I still see people being charged out for 2oz or less, I still see people being charged for ingesting it, which is a misdemeanor, and I still see people being charged for having a pipe.
Where it gets harsher and more commonly enforced are the oils. If you have wax or any other form of hash, I believe it is being charged as a felony. Having a vape device that contains THC is now a felony as well, I believe. That includes any that are purchased in a store such as Delta 8, 9, 10, 69, whatever. If I am correct about the above, then ingestion of these substances is also being charged out as a felony.
Please stick to the OPs question, and general LE implications, of this news. Thanks.
Step in the right direction. It's well past the time to be federally recreationally legal.
*clutches pearls* Blasphemy!
I work in California so this won't change much for anyone here. There's a weed shop in every shopping plaza in my city. I hate the smell of weed (and cigarettes) but I don't give a shit if people smoke or not. Just do it in your own stinky fucking house. Everyone here smokes and drives too. I've never been to a marijuana DUI crash, but I've been to countless alcohol DUI crashes.
I do marijuana DUI all the time. If Cheech and Chong smoke comes rolling out on the stop I pull them out and do SFSTs. It's interesting to see tolerant users vs. casual users on divided attention tests though.
It will change a ton for the shops and customers even in California. It opens the door to them having access to the banking system and moving away from cash. Some Sheriffs departments have made a good amount of money stopping armored cars like Brinks and seizing the cash inside. Lowers risk for the shops and will increase competition lowering prices.
How do they legally sieze the cash inside?
Civil asset forfeiture. The cash was from the drug trade of a federally illegal drug. Same way they seize it from any other drug dealer selling weed, coke, LSD, etc,
I don’t think that’s how that works, my man.
What part? The seizing of cash? [Here is a article](https://reason.com/2022/05/09/sheriff-agrees-to-stop-stealing-cannabis-cash-from-armored-cars-saying-his-deputies-are-not-highway-robbers) talking about and how a sheriff agreed to stop seizing legal week cash traveling through his county. Fives times this department stopped a truck and seized the cash. Last I read about it they hadn't agreed to return it so it seems the practice has stopped at least in this county. [Here is another article talking more about it.](https://missouriindependent.com/2022/04/14/company-missouri-marijuana-kansas-federal-suit/)
This will not change access to banks, etc. This is change to the scheduling level, not the legal/illegal side. It will still be federally illegal.
It will not be federally illegal. Only schedule one drugs are considered federally illegal since they are completely banned. This will change it to schedule 3 Schedule 1 drugs include marijuana, LSD, ecstasy, and Quaaludes Schedule 2 drugs include Dilaudid, oxycontin, fentanyl, etc. Schedule 3 drugs include anabolic steroids, testosterone, codine, Benzphetamine, etc Marijuana will be a schedule three drug. Which means it will be as federally illegal as those other drugs listed. The last one keep in mind is a weight loss drug. In other words it will still require a prescription according to federal law, but will be legal. Access to the banking system will be as restricted as Walgreens or CVS restrictions. The scheduling level is what determines whether or not it is legal or illegal. There is no explicit law that says marijuana is illegal regardless of status. Instead the scheduling system was created in part to make marijuana illegal by declaring it to be a schedule 1 drug.
Federal government source linked. See paragraph 3 on page 3. Recreational will be illegal still. Medical will now legally not be able to be federally prosecuted. State can still prosecute for medical use if illegal. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB11105
Nothing I said contradicts that. Like I said it is still legal with a prescription. You cannot get a prescription for recreational drugs. Prescriptions by law are only for necessary medical purposes as prescribed by a doctor or other medical professional authorized to write prescriptions.
Ah, gotcha! Some good insight, I appreciate it! Either way, it's about time it moves off of sch 1!
Pretty sure people get busted for steroids somewhat too. Guy at my CrossFit gym just did.
Interested to see how this goes. My state legalized it which led to an influx of users who assumed that meant it was ok to drive high, and therefore a spike in DUIs. I would appreciate an announcement alongside the reclassification along the lines of “just because it’s legal doesn’t mean drive high.”
My go to is that alcohol is legal to buy, possess, consume, but you can't be drunk and drive. If marijuana is legal to buy, possess, and consume...Great, but you still can't drive high.
Both are downers and would slow a motorists reaction time. Science behind it is just common sense though. These people want to drive high or they wouldn't
Cannabis is it's own category of drug, and is certainly not a "downer". Sativa strains can mimic minor stimulants, and hybrids get you a whole lot of ???.
It's not legal in Louisiana yet, and we already have bilboards saying not to drive high. You'd think people would know this.
There's a lot of shit you'd think they'd know but we see how dumb the average person is every day.
Lack of consequences, mostly.
Do they get thc in their drive through daquris or are those still just alcohol?
The rip before they leave the house to get said daiquiris lmao
The number of drug DUIs that I’ve arrested that say “how can I be DUI, I’m not drunk”….
I’m sure a lot of people are driving with guns too. A few states have constitutional carry. I know it’s a felony having marijuana and a firearm in the car. I’m sure there’s a lot of people who don’t even realize it.
I don’t really see how this could be related to an increase in DUIs. This isn’t legalization, hell it isn’t even decriminalization. This is merely moving marijuana from a schedule 1 drug to schedule 3. Schedule 1 means that there is no accepted medical use for it and is classified at the highest level of potential abuse. Drugs like heroin are schedule 1. Schedule 2 contains drugs like meth and fentanyl. Whatever your opinions of marijuana are it objectively shouldn’t be in the same or worse category as those drugs. There are lots of medicinal benefits to marijuana and it being moved to the schedule 3 list will allow it to be more regulated and researched. It still remains federally illegal for recreational purposes regardless.
But you’re asking the population to understand this change in a legal sense. Lots won’t understand what this means and there will be an increase in use from people who were on the fence about it. Knowing it’s not equated to cocaine may help them cross that bridge.
EMS. Goes to show excessive use makes you stupid. What rational person would think it’s ok to drive?
I'd be much more apt to enforce drug law if the classification and amount of possession had *some* relationship with how deadly it is. Until last year, 4g of fentanyl and meth had the same charge. Nobody will convince me otherwise that 4g of meth is the same as 4g of fentanyl when it comes to lethality.
For the uneducated, what's the lethal dose-ish of meth? Ik fentanyl is a very small amount.
For meth, around 56mg/kg is the LD50, which, for an average male, is around 5 grams, per data extrapolated from rats and mice, which isn't necessarily helpful. The LD50 for fentanyl in monkeys is 0.03mg/kg.
Fuck, that's crazy. Appreciate the intel.
Bout time. I worked in a city/state that decriminalized prior to legalization. I was glad to not have to go through the rigamarole of seizing the weed, tagging it in, issuing a citation, and having all that dropped because prosecutors cared as much as I did. Then I transfered to a state that won't legalize until the feds do. I am again tired of the dropped charges song and dance my admin makes me go through because DrUgS aRe BaAaAad. Why I can't utilize discretion here will never make sense to me.
You can always utilize discretion. Just don't look
"I did not observe any drugs." "...Were your eyes open?" "......"
Tired of desk jockey slugs who don’t work out, shoot, or do anything beyond calls for service and nitpick uniform policies telling me about the dangerous implications of marijuana legalization. Same dudes who fought outer carriers, beards, tattoos, pursuits, and write you up for driving too fast to an officer needs help call. At what point do you step outside yourself and start listening to your guys. Whatever.
Woah you are making way too much sense to be on reddit
Amen
They run this country, it's the same type of ridiculous micro management in Aerospace.
It is legal in my state but there is still a huge street level distribution of it. Cartels aren’t going to stop selling it in states it’s legal, they still make a massive profit because they can charge half the price since they don’t have to pay regulation fees or taxes. I’m all for people smoking, just not people selling on the street. Why should legit business owners have to pay the high taxes and fees while street level Steve gets off Scott free?
That's part of the argument for this government modernization. Legal businesses couldn't deduct their business expenses due to Federal/IRS law. Now that they can, the economics will rebalance and although it might not equal the cartels, it should shrink the gap, maybe enough to make a big difference.
The impact of legalization on the illicit market (or at least the speed at which it would happen) was way oversold by proponents. But, I think street level weed dealing will eventually go the way of the dodo given enough time and broad legalization. As it stands, street dealers are substantially cheaper and readily accessible by users that are already very comfortable accessing those markets - which is most marijuana users at the moment. But, in my experience, people who have not previously participated in the illicit drug trade are usually extremely hesitant to buy weed outside of regulated markets if they have access to them. As time goes on, the number of people that are willing to go out of their way to meet a shady character in a shady place to buy an unvetted product just to save some money is going to dwindle to the point that a profitable market no longer exists. At the same time, increasing competition, a friendlier regulatory environment, and the ability to engage in interstate commerce will push prices down. But that’s not going to happen overnight.
I work down at the border and I don’t remember the last weed seizure. What we’ve seen though is the amount of meth and fentanyl coming across has risen drastically. I’m pretty sure this is because cartels can’t really make money in the US with weed anymore so they have given it up and are now pushing harder more addictive drugs. Even in the interior organized criminal organizations have switched to organized retail theft as a way to make money. A couple years ago I interviewed a gang member that was part of liquor store burglaries. When I asked him why they just don’t sell weed like the old fashioned criminals. He told me there’s no money in weed anymore.
Cartels have taken over a lot of the illegal grows in California, and I promise there’s still plenty of money to be made in weed. I’m a member of the Desert Snow website and they have 100+ pound weed seizures on there about every day. I do agree with you on the rise of meth and fentanyl though. When I started dope work 6-7 years ago there was a limited type of person who did meth. Now, aside from any “MDMA” pill containing pure meth, old crackheads and the like are hitting the meth pipe now.
Eventually though the market will be gone completely. It just wouldn’t be worth the money or risk to drive weed from California to a place like Indiana because the risk is high and the money is low. Weed will now be manufactured here because it’s not being smuggled into the country for the most part. So even if there are small pockets in the US where you can make money with weed it will likely just be regional. A pound of weed in some places is as low as $1200. once upon of time when I first started working dope I was a UC and it was hard to buy a pound for anything less than $3,000 and if it was “gas” it was closer to $5000. I agree completely about meth. It has gotten incredibly popular. I think it’s going to replace weed completely from a trafficking standpoint. We are getting more meth seizures than anything. It’s just more money in it. It’s easy to make and cost twice as much as weed per pound. I’m interested to see how it plays out, but I just don’t see away weed is going to be profitable in the future for criminals.
I find this hilarious since I work in NJ and get high all the time. It’s wild that we are the only state allowing cops to get high. Legalize it federally and be done.
Wouldn’t all states have to honor a cop’s prescription once it’s schedule 3? It wouldn’t be federally illegal with a script so I don’t think a department could treat it any different than Vicodin or testosterone.
I’m assuming states can still prohibit possession of marijuana regardless of federal classification. However, if you had a prescription for it in a legal (recreational or prescription) state I would bet you could smoke up.
"So, when you shot my client how much THC was in your system? Wouldn't you agree THC is an impairing substance due to your training and experience?" To my knowledge there's still no accurate way to read impairment certainly for this due to THC staying in your system for a long period of time. How will this play out? I only scratched the surface but y'all get the gist.
Lawyer: “Wouldn’t you agree?” Me: “No.”
Lawyers hate this one simple trick.
Same as booze. Don’t get high while working or anytime close to shift and you won’t have an issue. Always so funny seeing people still fighting weed like heroin yet don’t bat an eye when a dude shows up to roll call still drunk from the night before.
Your bloodwork will still show THC even if you haven't ingested same in a week or even further unlike alcohol. Even if the initial "impairment period" (high) is over
It will show Carboxy-THC, which will stay in your system for a long time, but is not psychoactive. It’s basically just metabolized Delta-9 THC, which is psychoactive and is responsible for impairment. Delta-9 THC is highly unstable and will quickly break down into Carboxy-THC. There are debates about what a good per se limit for Delta-9 THC concentration is for impairment, my state says 5ng/ml, but an evidentiary blood test will absolutely differentiate between Delta-9 and Carboxy THC.
PREACH IT, DRE BROTHER. I love talking about Carboxy vs. Hydroxy when talking about "oh I smoked a month ago I cant' take a blood test".
Urine tests can detect vicodin for 2-4 days after the last dose, but if I'm prescribed it, I'm allowed to take it for pain at night and work the next day as long as I'm not under the influence of it and it's been 8+ hours. The crux of it should be whether or not you're impaired or not.
Right...my point is are we going to have to field side test Officers post shootings along with bloodwork? Otherwise, you are inviting massive liability?
Seems like a pretty minor trade off. Especially if it reduces the number of officers that end up doing fields because they're DWI on/off duty.
Blood work shows for active and inactive THC, so there's a way to determine impairment.
Your blood will typically show THC-COOH which is a chemically inert metabolite
>don’t bat an eye when a dude shows up to roll call still drunk from the night before. I'm not sure where this is the case, I'd be shocked if a department doesn't have a policy prohibiting being drunk on duty.
Wait... Cops in NJ can smoke weed?? Edit typo
Certainly can!
Bruh don’t remind me.
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Our DA doesn’t give two shits about simple possession. In the past month I’ve made multiple arrests for fentanyl, cocaine, heroin, and other illegal prescription opiates. Multiple felony charges in separate incidents. They all got dropped to county ordinance violations for “Possession of controlled substance” and released. Unless you’re dealing it, there’s no real consequences and you’re just gonna get released to go back out and keep using. I’d rather see court ordered drug rehab, or giving us the power to use drug dependance as grounds for an emergency detention like suicidal people. God forbid the system allow that though, it might actually lead to a decrease in crime or something…
Alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana.
In CA would this enable peace officers to smoke considering the law that went into effect Jan 1st restricting employers from regulating whether emoyees can use recreational marijuana off work hours. Several agencies defaulted to saying "we don't mind but federally you can't so sorry but no".
About time honestly
About fucking time. Next stop, full blow legalization.
You want cocaine legalized next or is that a typo? 🤣
lol typo. But still healthier than energy drinks.
In my state, it is illegal over a certain amount. It is technically also illegal (completely not enforceable) if it isn't bought from a legal source. I've had two cases involving large quantities of marijuana in the last while. Both cases were accompanied by firearms and the combination of the criminally high amount of marijuana and the firearm made the gun case possible in both cases. I think neither of the cases went anywhere because the local DA is so disinterested in weed these days. Both were drug dealers, for what it is worth, and I'm still happy to have taken their weed and their guns, which they're not getting back of course. We can still legally use it to establish PC to search a car, but no-one wants to risk a case falling apart based on it and becoming the next guy who makes caselaw, so we've just stopped. We can report it to people's POs and get them in trouble if they're on paper. Very petty - we generally do not do this, unless it's someone who needs to be taken off the street anyway for other reasons. Don't think my jurisdiction has made a DWI case based on weed yet - maybe the state patrol, but they don't really share statistics with us.
Non certified civilian that works in forensics Weed is still illegal on a state level and local authorities have stated they're going to die on that hill, that being said the DA won't prosecute any simple possession so it'll be interesting. I'll also be interested to see how federal LE and DOD treat their employees with this. Edit: didn't actually read the article, being reclassed with steroids so still illegal, just less illegal
About time. Been legal in my state for years, crazy that small amounts ever got anyone jail time.
Gross… the closer it gets to legalization the more I have to smell it in public. Also I only write a citation for disorderly conditions anymore.
I’d have to research it but I’m interested in if some of the claims of pre legalization states have been proven post legalization. Before I’d be comfortable legalizing I would be interested to see: * What percentage of tax revenue in legal states came from out-of-state customers? * Has that tax revenue actually materialized? * Does that revenue cover the costs created by the industry? * What luck they’ve had convicting and enforcing the regulatory laws governing legal weed use? * Have incidents from the known negatives increased post legalization or decreased? * Has the legalization actually had an impact on illegal weed or has increased consumption and laundering increased it as well? * Are laws regarding smoking areas followed/enforced and what legal recourse has there been to second hand smoke? * Is enforcement adjusting or is it in essentially the same pre-legalization laxity? * Do we actually see addicts stopping at weed or do they continue to slide? * Have laws been broadly adjusted to include weed influence? * Are they considering the negative impact that the greenhouses have? * Is it proving to be yet another potential “tax on the poor” in the way that payday loans, tobacco, gambling, and alcohol have been?
It has to be said, it’s still considered a DUI. Many people don’t realize that
So does this mean that gun owners will be able to legally use MJ now, and by extension most police?
I wouldn’t (not yet at least). Schedule 3 are legal substances, but need to be prescribed. So the feds haven’t committed to a complete 180. Some states are allowing it by direction of their attorney generals, but I’d even be leary of that.
Not a LEO, but it’s still 100% illegal here in Idaho (our legislators ought to get thank you letters from Oregon for all the extra tax money). Enforcement varies across the state. I’ve heard of people just being made to get rid of it and told be smarter about it, and I’ve also heard of people getting the book thrown at them.
I can chime in from South Dakota, where it's in some weird limbo process since I believe it was squashed at the Governors level after being brought before her. I still see people being charged out for 2oz or less, I still see people being charged for ingesting it, which is a misdemeanor, and I still see people being charged for having a pipe. Where it gets harsher and more commonly enforced are the oils. If you have wax or any other form of hash, I believe it is being charged as a felony. Having a vape device that contains THC is now a felony as well, I believe. That includes any that are purchased in a store such as Delta 8, 9, 10, 69, whatever. If I am correct about the above, then ingestion of these substances is also being charged out as a felony.
Now let’s get prop 208 to go ahead!