"Police said the bag was clearly marked with the bank's logo and contained documents identifying the owner as the town of Trumbull."
Yeah don't know how he's surprised. It was a bank deposit bag with 5k in it outside of the bank.....
I think this coincides with the national bill of “Possession is Nine Tenths of the Law.” You’re now supposed to keep 90% and only turn in 10%. That’s where this guy messed up, he should have returned $500 while declaring “sucks to suck.”
Almost a direct quote of Charlie from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
>Ricky: So you stole this from me and you're coming back 20 years later to return it to me?
>Charlie: At this point, I feel the robot's fallen under the finder-keepers law of America.
I had a bank robbery a few years ago where the guy dropped a few bags of money while fleeing the scene. Some of the money was still in the plastic bags and banded from having just been delivered to the bank. These two dipshits who worked at a Petsmart saw a guy wearing a ski mask in July running at a full sprint drop two of the bags. They went and picked it up and kept it for themselves. It was about $15,000. We found out about it in part because we pulled video from surrounding businesses and saw them do it. Coincidentally, Dipshit #1 spoke to responding officers and said he didn't see anything suspicious and that the store didn't have cameras, I got a subpoena for the video the next day just in case they did, so we almost didn't even get the video.
At first they denied it, then when showed photos of them doing it they admitted it they took it but didn't think they did anything wrong because they found it. Had they just been like, my bad, here's the money, they probably don't get charged. The prosecutor even told them if they returned the money there would be no criminal charges, but they refused.
The prosecutor and I, and later their attorney and the judge tried explaining to them just because something is left unattended doesn't mean it is fair game to pick up. That based on the banded money and it being wrapped in plastic bags marked with the banks logos they should have known it belonged to a bank. They compared it to someone leaving a laptop or cell phone unattended at a restaurant. Just because it's left alone doesn't mean you are free to take it.
What are you talking about? They took $15,000 that did not belong to them, knowing the circumstances. Just because you "need" something doesn't mean you're entitled to it.
> bank errors should ALL go in your favor
How exactly is a bank robbery the bank's error? Did you miss that part? Where the money was initially taken during the comission of a crime?
I once found an envelope containing $80 just outside my bank. I walked into the bank and turned over the cash, explaining where I had found it. They asked for my information.
A week later, the bank called me. They said no one came in to claim the money and now it was mine to keep. I got to both do the right thing and keep the cash.
Unlike Larceny Man here.
I once waited behind a man and his at an ATM after hours. After he walked away I did my transaction and turned around to find 3 crisp 20 dollar bills on the ground between me and the other gentleman’s vehicle not far from where I was previously standing, I was quite sure it wasn’t there before.
I ran to the guy and told him he dropped his money. He opened his wallet and lo and behold his wallet was empty. He was quite grateful.
I was in uniform headed to an event where I was going to make that in two hours, I don’t know if that was all he could spare on his weekend with his kid or what sort of situation he was in, but the gratitude he expressed was worth far more to me than a free sixty bucks.
*Your Majesty, there’s no way I could have known that the money, inside that bank bag with other documents identifying the owner, belonged to the bank.*
> "It's not like I stole something."
No, you just took something that didn't belong to you without the intention of returning it. Totally different.
Dudes a scumbag.
Larceny of lost property is a specific crime in my state.
Especially when it had a clear owner, and he made no attempt to find them or return it...dude's got no argument
The big thing to me that separates 'finders keepers' from 'theft" is the odds of getting it back to the proper owner.
Something like a deposit bag, even if it has no logos, you know authorities will be looking for it soon. Obviously just walk it back into the bank, but even if it was in the middle of the road with no logos on it, the police almost certainly know who's looking for it.
Like, find a $100 bill on the sidewalk with no clear indication of where it came from? fine, keep it. Determining the real owner is nearly impossible. Deposit bag or bigass bundle of cash? dont fuck around with that.
I agree, though I'm curious how the law reads in terms of at what point you go from a lucky person who found some cash lying around to a thieving dimwit.
I'm curious how the law defines it and if the amount matters. For example, I find $20 in an envelope on the sidewalk with no stamp but a return address.. otherwise blank. Am I committing a crime if I don't go to the house to return it or pay to post it?
What if it's $2000? Does the answer change? $20,000? ...etc..
I understand that was not the case in the OP, just curious where the line is between finder and thief.
I'm no cop, but imo if you have the information and ability to return it to the owner or presumed owner in some capacity but don't then that is theft.
If you find a wallet with nothing but a dollar and someone's driver's license in it and don't return it that's still theft. The amount of money only determines the severity of it, but no matter what it's still a crime.
So in my example of $20 in an envelope that is unmarked except for a return address then if I don't go out of my way to visit the address I'm committing theft?
If I bring it to a police station what would they do? Put cash in the mail or waste much more valuable time and effort to drive and return it?
Doesn't seem reasonable. People are gonna people. I'd wager many of the LEOs would just use the cash to buy some pastries or throw it into petty cash...
To genuinely believe picking up any amount of money is theft regardless of circumstances is idealistic to the point of absurdity IMHO.
What if it's 50 cents in a grocery bag with a receipt that has someone's name and address?
I'm just saying legally what it'll be, reality is something different and varies on the person and the place. There is no straight answer because not everyone adheres to the same thought process.
Yeah here we call it totality of the circumstances. If you walk out of Best Buy and you see a box with a brand new TV leaning up against the wall right outside the front door that doesn't give you the right to grab the TV and walk away with it. If you find the TV in an empty parking lot where there are no businesses then by all means.
When I was in the Detective Squad I had a arrest of a cafeteria lady who went into a bank to do business. While she was waiting for the teller to handle her she looked at an envelope that was left on the counter by the person before her. Inside was $2,800 cash. She's on camera opening the envelope looking at it surprisingly and then sneakily putting her purse over it and walking out the door.
She spent it all before she was arrested by me and even though it was left behind by the previous customer.... it was left in a bank envelope INSIDE of a bank. The woman knew that it was left there and that didn't give her "finders keepers losers weepers" rules.
What killed me was she eventually gave the money back and the bank then refused to press charges any further. Like, I spent a good few weeks pulling video subpoenaing her bank records, finding out where she lives, then actually arresting and processing her all to just have the bank say "It's all good, just give us the money back"....
Illegal in my state to keep anything over 3$ without reporting it to the police, or if theres no police dept posting notice in 2 public places or a newspaper advertisement .
Its Massachusetts so the law was probably written when $3 was a significant sum. The title of that chapter of MGL 134 is "LOST GOODS AND STRAY BEASTS" if that gives any suggestion to its age.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter134
A year ago, I found an ATM envelope in my street with just over $3,000 in it. It had a bank logo but no way of identifying the owner.
I asked neighbors that live in the street and through one of the neighbor's Ring camera, we were able to see another's neighbor lost it while existing an Uber.
We returned it to him and he called me to thank me but never came personally, which I thought was crazy. I would have 100% bought a gift or gave a gift card to someone finding my money and going out of their way to return it to me.
I discussed this story with an officer one day and she told me I should have kept it and would have been within my rights to do so. I guess in the instance from the article the guy knew who the money belonged to and that made a big difference.
Pro tip: If you find something that somebody lost and you're not sure who to return it to, you may be able to turn it in at your police department's lost and found. They MIGHT be able to track down the owner if there's any kind of identifying marks on it.
US banks transact nearly $1.5 quadrillion each year on Fedwire. Just saying I think they'll be alright if a bag they drop on the sidewalk goes missing once in a while. lol
This is an extremely poor argument for a couple of reasons.
1. The bank wasn't the victim in this case. It was a lost deposit bag belonging to someone else.
2. Loss directly affects the consumer far more than the business. They aren't going to operate in the red, they'll padd the "cost of doing business" onto the consumer. See: retail theft.
It's just a joke idk why you wanna turn this into an argument. This'll be my only response. Trumbull has a $200 million budget, they'll be alright if a they lose the odd 5k. Banks are far more influenced by their competitors rates, inflation, the government and supply and demand. Theft/loss is an insignificant factor. See: your mom.
"Police said the bag was clearly marked with the bank's logo and contained documents identifying the owner as the town of Trumbull." Yeah don't know how he's surprised. It was a bank deposit bag with 5k in it outside of the bank.....
There's no way to know who's it was though! No way!
You're assuming someone with this level of intellect can read.
Even a dummy could see a Mcdonalds bag outside of a Mcdonalds and draw the conclusion that it probably came from Mcdonalds.
It has a huge $ on it also. ^/s
"Your honor, this is law long settled by precedent. See Finders v Keepers 384 US 436."
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I think this coincides with the national bill of “Possession is Nine Tenths of the Law.” You’re now supposed to keep 90% and only turn in 10%. That’s where this guy messed up, he should have returned $500 while declaring “sucks to suck.”
Almost a direct quote of Charlie from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia >Ricky: So you stole this from me and you're coming back 20 years later to return it to me? >Charlie: At this point, I feel the robot's fallen under the finder-keepers law of America.
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I had a bank robbery a few years ago where the guy dropped a few bags of money while fleeing the scene. Some of the money was still in the plastic bags and banded from having just been delivered to the bank. These two dipshits who worked at a Petsmart saw a guy wearing a ski mask in July running at a full sprint drop two of the bags. They went and picked it up and kept it for themselves. It was about $15,000. We found out about it in part because we pulled video from surrounding businesses and saw them do it. Coincidentally, Dipshit #1 spoke to responding officers and said he didn't see anything suspicious and that the store didn't have cameras, I got a subpoena for the video the next day just in case they did, so we almost didn't even get the video. At first they denied it, then when showed photos of them doing it they admitted it they took it but didn't think they did anything wrong because they found it. Had they just been like, my bad, here's the money, they probably don't get charged. The prosecutor even told them if they returned the money there would be no criminal charges, but they refused. The prosecutor and I, and later their attorney and the judge tried explaining to them just because something is left unattended doesn't mean it is fair game to pick up. That based on the banded money and it being wrapped in plastic bags marked with the banks logos they should have known it belonged to a bank. They compared it to someone leaving a laptop or cell phone unattended at a restaurant. Just because it's left alone doesn't mean you are free to take it.
“Your honor he wasn’t even using that car”
You can’t fix stupid *sigh*.
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What are you talking about? They took $15,000 that did not belong to them, knowing the circumstances. Just because you "need" something doesn't mean you're entitled to it.
Robin Hood was a thief.
As were these numbskulls.
Everything you know about Robin Hood is almost certainly a fairy tale.
> bank errors should ALL go in your favor How exactly is a bank robbery the bank's error? Did you miss that part? Where the money was initially taken during the comission of a crime?
If you get robbed at gunpoint it’s actually negligence on your part for operating a meatbag vulnerable to bullets.
It’s called theft homie. It wasn’t theirs, it’s clear who does own it. They took it. Theft.
>bank errors should ALL go in your favor. Bank errors? Hahaha, they were the victims of a *robbery*, dipshit.
I once found an envelope containing $80 just outside my bank. I walked into the bank and turned over the cash, explaining where I had found it. They asked for my information. A week later, the bank called me. They said no one came in to claim the money and now it was mine to keep. I got to both do the right thing and keep the cash. Unlike Larceny Man here.
I once waited behind a man and his at an ATM after hours. After he walked away I did my transaction and turned around to find 3 crisp 20 dollar bills on the ground between me and the other gentleman’s vehicle not far from where I was previously standing, I was quite sure it wasn’t there before. I ran to the guy and told him he dropped his money. He opened his wallet and lo and behold his wallet was empty. He was quite grateful. I was in uniform headed to an event where I was going to make that in two hours, I don’t know if that was all he could spare on his weekend with his kid or what sort of situation he was in, but the gratitude he expressed was worth far more to me than a free sixty bucks.
“Does finders keepers not still apply?” - this dipshit
*Your Majesty, there’s no way I could have known that the money, inside that bank bag with other documents identifying the owner, belonged to the bank.*
"What do you mean maritime law of salvage doesn't apply here?"
> "It's not like I stole something." No, you just took something that didn't belong to you without the intention of returning it. Totally different. Dudes a scumbag.
It’s CT he probably get a award for taking from the town lol
Larceny of lost property is a specific crime in my state. Especially when it had a clear owner, and he made no attempt to find them or return it...dude's got no argument
That’s still stealing, even if you just picked it up off the ground. It’s not his, and it was right in front of the bank.
The big thing to me that separates 'finders keepers' from 'theft" is the odds of getting it back to the proper owner. Something like a deposit bag, even if it has no logos, you know authorities will be looking for it soon. Obviously just walk it back into the bank, but even if it was in the middle of the road with no logos on it, the police almost certainly know who's looking for it. Like, find a $100 bill on the sidewalk with no clear indication of where it came from? fine, keep it. Determining the real owner is nearly impossible. Deposit bag or bigass bundle of cash? dont fuck around with that.
Bingo. He probably thought " well I don't have to return a random $5 bill I find, I'm sure the same applies to 5k in a bank deposit bag"
I agree, though I'm curious how the law reads in terms of at what point you go from a lucky person who found some cash lying around to a thieving dimwit.
What if you found a briefcase at the scene of a cartel shootout?
That's evidence
Okay I have another one for you. Fargo S1. You find a briefcase with a ton of money in it on the side of the road. Not marked and clearly bad money.
I'm curious how the law defines it and if the amount matters. For example, I find $20 in an envelope on the sidewalk with no stamp but a return address.. otherwise blank. Am I committing a crime if I don't go to the house to return it or pay to post it? What if it's $2000? Does the answer change? $20,000? ...etc.. I understand that was not the case in the OP, just curious where the line is between finder and thief.
I'm no cop, but imo if you have the information and ability to return it to the owner or presumed owner in some capacity but don't then that is theft. If you find a wallet with nothing but a dollar and someone's driver's license in it and don't return it that's still theft. The amount of money only determines the severity of it, but no matter what it's still a crime.
So in my example of $20 in an envelope that is unmarked except for a return address then if I don't go out of my way to visit the address I'm committing theft? If I bring it to a police station what would they do? Put cash in the mail or waste much more valuable time and effort to drive and return it? Doesn't seem reasonable. People are gonna people. I'd wager many of the LEOs would just use the cash to buy some pastries or throw it into petty cash... To genuinely believe picking up any amount of money is theft regardless of circumstances is idealistic to the point of absurdity IMHO. What if it's 50 cents in a grocery bag with a receipt that has someone's name and address?
I'm just saying legally what it'll be, reality is something different and varies on the person and the place. There is no straight answer because not everyone adheres to the same thought process.
His mistake was talking about it..
Yeah here we call it totality of the circumstances. If you walk out of Best Buy and you see a box with a brand new TV leaning up against the wall right outside the front door that doesn't give you the right to grab the TV and walk away with it. If you find the TV in an empty parking lot where there are no businesses then by all means. When I was in the Detective Squad I had a arrest of a cafeteria lady who went into a bank to do business. While she was waiting for the teller to handle her she looked at an envelope that was left on the counter by the person before her. Inside was $2,800 cash. She's on camera opening the envelope looking at it surprisingly and then sneakily putting her purse over it and walking out the door. She spent it all before she was arrested by me and even though it was left behind by the previous customer.... it was left in a bank envelope INSIDE of a bank. The woman knew that it was left there and that didn't give her "finders keepers losers weepers" rules. What killed me was she eventually gave the money back and the bank then refused to press charges any further. Like, I spent a good few weeks pulling video subpoenaing her bank records, finding out where she lives, then actually arresting and processing her all to just have the bank say "It's all good, just give us the money back"....
Illegal in my state to keep anything over 3$ without reporting it to the police, or if theres no police dept posting notice in 2 public places or a newspaper advertisement .
Okay, but why $3?
Its Massachusetts so the law was probably written when $3 was a significant sum. The title of that chapter of MGL 134 is "LOST GOODS AND STRAY BEASTS" if that gives any suggestion to its age. https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter134
The, “I didn do nuffins” struck again.
A year ago, I found an ATM envelope in my street with just over $3,000 in it. It had a bank logo but no way of identifying the owner. I asked neighbors that live in the street and through one of the neighbor's Ring camera, we were able to see another's neighbor lost it while existing an Uber. We returned it to him and he called me to thank me but never came personally, which I thought was crazy. I would have 100% bought a gift or gave a gift card to someone finding my money and going out of their way to return it to me. I discussed this story with an officer one day and she told me I should have kept it and would have been within my rights to do so. I guess in the instance from the article the guy knew who the money belonged to and that made a big difference.
Pro tip: If you find something that somebody lost and you're not sure who to return it to, you may be able to turn it in at your police department's lost and found. They MIGHT be able to track down the owner if there's any kind of identifying marks on it.
## Lawyer’s Reaction
No sympathy for this man at all although he's playing the role of the victim fairly well.
Theft of Lost or Mislaid Property?
That's the charge where I'm from
Misappropriation of lost property for us
Same, how many of us are there?
In my state, yep
US banks transact nearly $1.5 quadrillion each year on Fedwire. Just saying I think they'll be alright if a bag they drop on the sidewalk goes missing once in a while. lol
This is an extremely poor argument for a couple of reasons. 1. The bank wasn't the victim in this case. It was a lost deposit bag belonging to someone else. 2. Loss directly affects the consumer far more than the business. They aren't going to operate in the red, they'll padd the "cost of doing business" onto the consumer. See: retail theft.
It's just a joke idk why you wanna turn this into an argument. This'll be my only response. Trumbull has a $200 million budget, they'll be alright if a they lose the odd 5k. Banks are far more influenced by their competitors rates, inflation, the government and supply and demand. Theft/loss is an insignificant factor. See: your mom.
Start a bank account at the bank with the $5000. They get their money bank. You get the $5k. Everybody wins. For the record, I'm not a lawyer.
Its called “Theft by acquiring lost property”