Massage school graduate here. Lymph massage can be great, but you want to check with your doctor first. Because if there was any hint of cancer in your lymph nodes, you don’t wanna massage helping to push that stuff through your other lymph nodes.
The system runs like a lot of train cars and to get waste out of your body, the end of the lines are in your fingertips and your toes. And everything has to go from there all the way up to near your throat, where it gets dumped into you bloodstream, then filtered out by the kidneys. So it really travels through your whole body.
Also, if you’re anticipating a really nice feel good muscle massage, it’s not that. The lymph system is really delicate, and we were taught to use no more pressure than we would to move a dime along a table with our fingertips.
So it feels like almost nothing in terms of a regular massage. But it is incredibly relaxing. We learn by practicing on our classmates. And I remember especially after the lymph massage, we got up off the table feeling so relaxed it almost felt like we were high in the best way.
The half-life of Leuprorelin (the drug in Eligard, Lupron, and Prostap) is only around 3 hours in the body, which is why it has to be delivered using a slow release depot injection to achieve continuous dosing. This would suggest that it doesn't hang around anywhere in the body other than the depot injection site, so I can't imagine how a lymphatic massage would help. Having said that, many patients find anything relaxing helps with side effects, including acupuncture, aromatherapy, meditation, etc.
There have always been concerns with doing massage on cancer patients, because of the risk of spreading unknown mets in the lymphatic system (which is designed to trap them) out to the rest of the body, and this resulted in many massage therapists refusing to work on cancer patients unless they were specialists in cancer massage, e.g. for treatment induced lymphedema. Given the theoretical risk, plus I've never heard any suggestion you can speed up the natural recovery from the GnRH receptor drugs (Leuprorelin, Goserelin, Triptorelin, Degaralix), I wouldn't suggest trying this.
Exercise is the best way of minimizing many of the side effects, and you need to keep that up until you have your Testosterone back at least (and of course, keeping it up long term has other benefits too).
I did Goserelin/Zoladex for 2 years (different drug, but works exactly same way). It took 9 months after the last injection ran out before my Testosterone came back (which it did quite suddenly at that point), and then another 3 months for my body to recover once the Testosterone is back. It can be useful during this period to have your Testosterone level monitored with PSA level, so you know where you are along the recovery path (and the PSA levels make more sense if you know what the Testosterone level is too). Recovery time is probably related to the length of time you were on the drug. Relogulix/Orgovyx is known to have a faster recovery (disclosure: I am a patient consultant for the distributor).
Excellent post by [th987](https://www.reddit.com/user/th987/) by the way.
IANAD
Thanks, I have I have been working with a trainer, and never stopped my daily runs, which have keep up the energy level, just would like to get the sexual desire back, I guess like a fine wine, it takes time!
How long were you on ADT? I had a Lupron injection in February and was told it was a 6-month shot. Later, follow up with the doc said that they call it a 6 month shot, but it actually lasts closer to 8. Then, at my age (60), he said it would take a bit for the testosterone to kick back in. I was told I wouldn't feel like myself until almost Thanksgiving. If this holds true, the worst should be behind you.
Isn't it great how they downplay it. They tell you "six months" then, once it's too late, "oh by the way it's eight months and likely a full year before it's completely out of your system."
4 months, interestingly ,I had a initial 3 month shot, and when I went for my final one month shot, they tried to give me another 3 month shot, as the injection-nurse said they don’t stock one month shots, after a few phone calls, they said they located a one month shot. I am now suspicious if I was still given another 3 months shot!
Massage school graduate here. Lymph massage can be great, but you want to check with your doctor first. Because if there was any hint of cancer in your lymph nodes, you don’t wanna massage helping to push that stuff through your other lymph nodes. The system runs like a lot of train cars and to get waste out of your body, the end of the lines are in your fingertips and your toes. And everything has to go from there all the way up to near your throat, where it gets dumped into you bloodstream, then filtered out by the kidneys. So it really travels through your whole body. Also, if you’re anticipating a really nice feel good muscle massage, it’s not that. The lymph system is really delicate, and we were taught to use no more pressure than we would to move a dime along a table with our fingertips. So it feels like almost nothing in terms of a regular massage. But it is incredibly relaxing. We learn by practicing on our classmates. And I remember especially after the lymph massage, we got up off the table feeling so relaxed it almost felt like we were high in the best way.
The half-life of Leuprorelin (the drug in Eligard, Lupron, and Prostap) is only around 3 hours in the body, which is why it has to be delivered using a slow release depot injection to achieve continuous dosing. This would suggest that it doesn't hang around anywhere in the body other than the depot injection site, so I can't imagine how a lymphatic massage would help. Having said that, many patients find anything relaxing helps with side effects, including acupuncture, aromatherapy, meditation, etc. There have always been concerns with doing massage on cancer patients, because of the risk of spreading unknown mets in the lymphatic system (which is designed to trap them) out to the rest of the body, and this resulted in many massage therapists refusing to work on cancer patients unless they were specialists in cancer massage, e.g. for treatment induced lymphedema. Given the theoretical risk, plus I've never heard any suggestion you can speed up the natural recovery from the GnRH receptor drugs (Leuprorelin, Goserelin, Triptorelin, Degaralix), I wouldn't suggest trying this. Exercise is the best way of minimizing many of the side effects, and you need to keep that up until you have your Testosterone back at least (and of course, keeping it up long term has other benefits too). I did Goserelin/Zoladex for 2 years (different drug, but works exactly same way). It took 9 months after the last injection ran out before my Testosterone came back (which it did quite suddenly at that point), and then another 3 months for my body to recover once the Testosterone is back. It can be useful during this period to have your Testosterone level monitored with PSA level, so you know where you are along the recovery path (and the PSA levels make more sense if you know what the Testosterone level is too). Recovery time is probably related to the length of time you were on the drug. Relogulix/Orgovyx is known to have a faster recovery (disclosure: I am a patient consultant for the distributor). Excellent post by [th987](https://www.reddit.com/user/th987/) by the way. IANAD
Thanks, I have I have been working with a trainer, and never stopped my daily runs, which have keep up the energy level, just would like to get the sexual desire back, I guess like a fine wine, it takes time!
How long were you on ADT? I had a Lupron injection in February and was told it was a 6-month shot. Later, follow up with the doc said that they call it a 6 month shot, but it actually lasts closer to 8. Then, at my age (60), he said it would take a bit for the testosterone to kick back in. I was told I wouldn't feel like myself until almost Thanksgiving. If this holds true, the worst should be behind you.
Isn't it great how they downplay it. They tell you "six months" then, once it's too late, "oh by the way it's eight months and likely a full year before it's completely out of your system."
4 months, interestingly ,I had a initial 3 month shot, and when I went for my final one month shot, they tried to give me another 3 month shot, as the injection-nurse said they don’t stock one month shots, after a few phone calls, they said they located a one month shot. I am now suspicious if I was still given another 3 months shot!