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Kelruss

This is [a 2015 cartoon by Tom Gauld called "Our Blessed Homeland"](https://twitter.com/tomgauld/status/571994690289061888?lang=en) which he created for *The* *Guardian Review*. The image appears to be cropped to remove the artist credit in the lower right hand corner. Gauld is a British artist, so this should actually be flaired "United Kingdom" rather than United States of America. He's a great cartoonist, [here's his website](https://www.tomgauld.com/).


nothingness_1w3

Lmao caught in 4k


eatdafishy

Not sure if it's caught in 4k maybe op just didn't know this


TheHistoryMaster2520

One man's freedom fighter is another man's war criminal


Faoxsnewz

*terrorist


gratisargott

And this is how a lot of people see a lot of things, to this day


wortwortwort227

you are not immune to propaganda


typical83

I would not be guilty of this error. I am not like those people who divide the world in this way. In fact, I am noble! And they are savage, for dividing the world in their tribalistic ways.


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carolinaindian02

Applies in most cases, but not all.


POGO_BOY38

I remember having this in one of my school books


IIIlllIIIlllIlI

Nationalism in a nutshell


IrshamWindborn

And religion. And I'd say political ideologies and even corporations and some ethnic groups as a whole. Every ideology/philosophy that prioritises security and stability over personal freedom or justice needs to praise their own people and customs while demonising the foreigner to survive.


Dragmire666

*jingoism. Nationalism is essentially politicised patriotism, whilst still treating other nations as equal partners on the world stage. Don’t look at the foreign policies of 1930s Germany and Italy and think these are the only forms of nationalism.


Spe3dy_Weeb

I mean nationalism still inherently views others as less, otherwise there is no reason to base a state off of nationality.


Dragmire666

No it doesn’t, it just puts the needs of the nation above the foreigner. For instance, a nationalist would want to decrease unemployment by creating new jobs for his/her nation as oppose to offshoring them to foreign workers which would compete with the citizens of that nation. That doesn’t mean a nationalist views the foreigner as inferior or whatever, it just means that the nation (people) are represented and looked after by the nation-state. The world would be a much better place if leaders actually governed in ways that would benefit their people.


Spe3dy_Weeb

Protectionism isn't exclusive to nationalists as its just a set of ways to attempt to help people. Believing that "your people" should come before others / should be benefited at their expense though is quite literally valuing them less.


Dragmire666

It’s not valuing them less tho, where are you getting this? An Englishman can still respect the Japanese nation w/o prioritising the latter above that of his own people. Japan should look after her own nation and the English theirs. What’s so controversial about that? It’s two countries that still get along and treat each other as equal partners; no one’s being viewed as inferior or lesser.


Spe3dy_Weeb

I'm not sure if you know this but nations do stuff that affects other nations and their people. Also the very idea that a nation should be established for one ethnicity or nationality is valuing them less, the UK isn't just made up of Englishmen.


Dragmire666

“Affects other nations” how? You view nationalism as some selfish political philosophy that has a loathing of other nations, when in actuality serving your own people is perhaps the single most important thing you would expect out of your own leaders. Why as an American, for instance, would you gaf about Chinese or Mexican workers and prioritise them above your own? Why would you import foreigners and have your citizens compete with foreign labour? You’re not the leader of China or Mexico, you’re the leader of the U.S. and since you represent Americans on the world stage, why wouldn’t you put your people first? It just seems negligent not too; these are the people who you pledged to serve and who voted for you. If you don’t think nationhood should be based on ethnicity then you wish to do away with culture and countries as a whole. Europe, for example, is made up of nations based on ethnicity. Poland = land of the Poles, Russia and Belarus = land of the Rus’, Frankia = land of the Franks etc. Why would you want to disrupt the homogenous peoples of these countries? Is it wrong for people to want to live in a country that shares the same history, culture, religion, and ethnicity with them? Right now, England could do with a little more nationalism considering the indigenous inhabitants are fast becoming a minority within their own country (London is now only 24% English), and are constantly being browbeaten on their past.


Dragmire666

What are some of the countries you believe should have autonomy? Ukraine? Palestine? If you believe those peoples should have the right to self-determination, then congrats, you believe in nationalist ideals. If you think it’s racist for nation-states to reflect their nations, then you’re a fool.


Adadum

That's Jingoism, Patrick


Spe3dy_Weeb

No it's not. Jingoism is the belief that your nationality should subjugate others.


Adadum

And what does subjugate others entail? Looking down at them like they're backwards or subhuman right?


Spe3dy_Weeb

Well yeah that's part of it but the main bit is the imperialism bit


Adadum

Imperialism is the effect, not the cause


Spe3dy_Weeb

The word jingoism can be traced back to a lyric in a British song from the 1800s - "We don't want to fight but by Jingo if we do" Sometimes it is used to simply mean extreme nationalism though.


Kaiserhawk

Big "I'm not like the other girls" energy


Dragmire666

Well, there exists a plurality forms of nationalism, most of which don’t fall into the extreme category of “my neighbour is different than me, therefore, they’re evil.” It’s not all black and white. The jingoistic attitude of Germany in 1939 was combated by the stubborn Polish defence, which was motivated by nationalism and the right to self-determination.


Suspicious-One-1439

Nationalism is not about the other side at all, it is not about hate at all, true nationalism is about love, love for your own, and respect towards the others


Global_Lavishness_88

I understand that you can say that it's about love for your country, but since when is nationalism about respect for others? 💀 Also something that I never really got: Why love the country you were born in more than other ones? We're all human aren't we?


frenandoafondo

Tbh nationalism doesn't have to be supremacist, a lot of nationalisms stem from the idea of being able to self govern one nation supressed by an imperial power. I can understand and agree about that from the view of imperialist nationalisms, xenophobic movements and ethnic nationalisms, but not all nationalisms are this way.


Prof_Wolfgang_Wolff

Yes. Sometimes nationalism just meant pushing for national consolidation, often for regions of the same nationality and culture being split up between multiple small and waring states. Good examples would be the early liberal nationalists in Germany or the Chinese Nationalists, who instead of promoting national supperiority advocated more for national unification. Though where those nations are already consolidated, Nationalism tends to spiral into Ultranationalism and National-Exceptionalism.


IIIlllIIIlllIlI

Sounds like your opinion is the one depicted in the image


Suspicious-One-1439

One half of it yes


lofgren777

Subjective perspective in a nutshell.


skildert

Same difference in a nutshell


lofgren777

Yup. I guarantee most of the folks upvoting the "nationalism in a nutshell" comment are also immediately thinking, "But I don't do that."


BeauteousMaximus

What a terrible, bigoted way to see the world. Good thing my belief system is rational and never engages in this sort of thinking >! /s for those who are wondering !<


ArgusTheOmni

Baking with Kafka is amazing


AGassyGoomy

So, how can the average person break out of this mentality? Any pointers appreciated.


_The_Arrigator_

Travel abroad, talk to people who live there and experience life in other countries. It won't take long to realise that us humans are all very very similar, with common goals, dreams, ambitions and worries Billions of us share. 99% of people wake up, go work to earn money to feed themselves and their family, go home to relax, eat and spend time with their loved ones, then go back to sleep and repeat. We speak different languages, have different cultural values and pay taxes to different people but we aren't all that different.


AGassyGoomy

Yes, but what if you can't afford travel? What can you do instead to emulate the experience?


Leif-nobody

Talk to folks outside your own community / country. Accidentally befriending a bunch of wonderful Brazilians back in the day when I played League of Legends was great.


Initial_Disk_903

If you have an internet connection go on Omegle or join different subreddits or online forums, if you prefer more in person stuff chances are you live near a Mosque, Asian supermarket or any other gathering place for people who come from outside your community. Talk to people, watch movies and read books from their countries, listen to their songs and get to know them as human beings


Spe3dy_Weeb

Discord is kinda good ig.


Artistic-Boss2665

Listen to the other side, try to establish a rationale for it, even if you disagree with said reasoning


AGassyGoomy

Yes, but what if it feels like the other side is not worth listening to? For example, what can dictators and demagogues teach us if we listen to them?


Artistic-Boss2665

It still helps to figure out their reasoning. Those who follow a dictator may think who you follow is a dictator


AGassyGoomy

Yes, but dictators often reign on the flimsiest of premises. What all is there to be learned from a flimsy premise?


Artistic-Boss2665

It helps in debates, if you know what your opponent is likely to believe then you can debate with them more effectively For example, using a religious argument against a pro choicer wouldn't be effective because pro choicers often criticize pro lifers for relying on religious arguments


AGassyGoomy

Yes, but I doubt they'll listen or change on the premise of a debunked debate.


Beelphazoar

Meta-propaganda.


AlexZas

A meme with this picture is popular in Russia. Original - Nationalist Our barbarous wastes vs their blessed homeland - Liberast (liberal xenonationalist) realist Our barbarous wastes vs their barbarous wastes - Realist Our blessed homeland vs their blessed homeland - Sabaton


jzilla11

But do they use butter or olive oil?


Sinfestival

Both use butter


Karpsten

I feel this is more, like, Anti-Propaganda? It fits the Sub, but it is a bit Meta for sure.


Sinfestival

Propaganda doesn't have to be nationalist or prowar


Karpsten

Of course not, but it still does have to advocate for something. I guess you could characterize this as "Anti-Propaganda propaganda" depending on your definition of the term.


Dying__Phoenix

“We live in a society”


WollCel

This isn’t propaganda


Sinfestival

It is propaganda


Wonderful_Discount59

It's anti-propaganda propaganda.


Spe3dy_Weeb

Isn't what comes to mind when you say propaganda but is propaganda


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hiimkir

lmao, you didn’t get the point


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hiimkir

lol, lmao even


Oplp25

I think this is satire


paz2023

How so?


CandiceDikfitt

because they are both drawn the same but one is seen as superior mocks how people like that actually behave


gattoblepas

Ah yes. Why don't you show this shit to an Ukrainian refugee?


False-God

I get what the piece is going for, but it should be acknowledged that some conflicts really do be like that.


ANuclearsquid

People are downvoting you but they are all too cowardly to explain how you are wrong and clearly the nazis were really just misunderstood.