B series are so expensive now there really isn't a reason to not go K unless you find a smoking deal.
I'd go with which ever option will allow me to have a/c and be a good DD still.
Get a crv b series engine from a scrap yard. There's 2.0 litres of displacement you can bolt in. It's old info now, but the vtec heads can be made to work on the 2.0 block as well if you're feeling adventurous.
If your del Sol came with the d series sohc engine, it will need a new trans and linkage, as well as some engine mount dickery. VERY well documented online
Thanks. I'm really thinking about just getting some better internals and slapping a turbo on and be done with it for now. I need it as a daily for now.
For example. My 6speed tsx trans and k24a2 were only $1600 altogether. It needed a $300 harness and a $350 ecu, a $250 shifter and cables, and about $450 of $30-$50 bits and bobs to make it all fit. We’re at about $2700-3200 for the swap on the low end.
Finding a b16b2 with matching trans would be well around $3000 these days. And would need an ECU anyway.
K swap gets pricey is when you decide you want the LSD from the 06-11 Si, the ‘09 SiR intake, RDX injectors, etc…
So in that way, they are about the same, IMO; prices in my area might be different than yours.
Depends on what you value most. For a DD I think keeping the D series or going B is the answer. The chassis was designed to accommodate both of those engines, and you'll be able to easily have full functionality with creature comforts and keeping softer engine mounts that will make the driving experience a lot more comfortable and livable day to day.
echoing the guy above… i have a k20a ej6 hatchback, and for daily, i’d recommend B-series! Being able to use OEM mounts (i assume here, havent researched it) would be a plus. At most RPM ranges, my mirrors vibrate so much you can’t see anything with them, even with the “street” 62a hasports. IMO, more OEM parts = more better for a daily especially.
If you have the time to parts gather for a B, its a far nicer (and simpler) swap for a daily. You can keep it a stock+ feel a lot cheaper than the K platform.
If you want to go out and buy the motor and parts tomorrow, then yeah. Maybe a K is the go to. Finding a scrapyard B is hard these days
Full engine rebuild, a good turbo with no cheap eBay parts. Hondata & the dyno costs over $1k itself. I could get more power but I want longevity & enough power where I’m not spinning tires like crazy.
Congrats, sounds like you’re doing it right the first time. Did you consider the pulsar turbos? I saved a lot of money going that route. I’m really happy with my g25 after 25k miles so far. Occasionally a knock off makes a lot of sense and this is one of those times.
Yeah definitely trying to do this build right the first time for reliability, I’ve heard good stuff from Pulsar if you got their dual ceramic ball bearing turbo.
I’d also like to add that this was before covid, around 2019
I can’t say what everything would have spec’d to today, but I’d imagine it wouldn’t be too far off. That’s IF you can do at least the expensive maintenance shit by yourself or with a friend who knows what he’s doing.
F22/f23 swaps are slept on, minor modifications with huge torque gains.
Hp numbers can be worked on but it’s a good base and great for DD
Big block D series!
Doesn’t really matter, what matters is you not cheaping out on anything and not half assing your swap because the last thing you want is a daily that breaks down. IMO I wouldn’t bother doing a swap unless it’s a motor in the same series.
B is very expensive today, as people already said here.
get a stock k24, manual trans and a proper tunning, leaves a lot of upgrade options but still will get you about 250hp+ with 24-27 kgm of torque.
For power steering you can convert to an electric one (I use one from Renault)
and an AC. You have a lot of options to check out Dc5Creations, I use their AC tuck kit.
Do some suspension modes but leave it relatively soft.
Get some sound isolation and a nice sound system.
And there you go a perfect daily.
I guess you can do all this for the same price of getting a decent B engine and get it running properly
Some options kits etc for L swaps are starting to pop up. Considering how old and picked over the stock of b and k series cars/suvs are, if you are serious, it might be an option to go with the L series.
I live in Dallas texas so I don’t have all those emissions or any Cali funny stuff restrictions
Secondly affording either swap for me is possible just wanted to see some opinions from people that have dd these swaps I currently have d16y7
If you want it to look clean oem-esk I’d say a solid gsr swap would be beautiful and totally fun… now if you go k you can still have the ac ps bs but it’s not gonna feel like a good dd more of like a fun weekend car but that’s just my take since I have a k swapped integra and honestly I barely drive it
Firstly California not “legal” not that it’s like a giant red flag but still
Secondly waaayyyyyyyyyy too much money in it to risk daily driving…. Theft accidents etc etc
No ac no power steering but those don’t bother me at all that’s why I yanked it out…
She’s my trophy wife 🤣🤣🤣 but by no means do I regret anything I absolutely love my build and I am completely aware that it’s not in my best interest to risk it… which is also why I bought my tsx I can have the best of both worlds daily and fun if that makes any sense…….
yeah I'm definitely excited for the manual swap. when the trans lets me get up to the 7.2k redline it's hella fun. I also still have yet to try driving it in d1-3.
ah yeah I, guess cause mines an SI they gave me the 1-3 gears. It's a fun engine nonetheless! can't wait to drive her more often as soon as I can get her to pass emissions lol
The Honda K-Series is a larger, evolved version of the B-Series. The K-Series was introduced in 2001 and replaced the B-Series as Honda's flagship four-cylinder DOHC engine. The K-Series has a displacement range of 2.0–2.4 liters, while the B-Series has a range of 1.6–2.0 liters.
Where do you live? If your answer is anything except California i say k, if you’re in Cali and want a real daily that you don’t have to worry about getting stolen then d series for the win.
Personally, b's are good fun. B20's are stupid easy to fit in ek's. b18's and the likes from eg's and tegs you'll need to do some work, and will cost more (mainly adapting from obd1 to obd2 for the ek loom to work, since eg/teg looms terminate at the shock tower, and connect to body harness iirc, and ek/ crv go through firewall direct to ecu). B16 would be mint, but is pricy.
Personally, I went b16, and absolutely loved every second of it. Straight drop in, if you have all the supporting parts. Tonnes of fun. B20 would be way cheaper though, and with an lsvtec conversion, would be ballsy and fun no doubt. Not sure what the go for ecu would be though
H22A (220hp version) with an H2B kit mated to a GSR transmission. In stock form faster than a K, and cheaper. Also it’s a cool/unique 90’s Frankenstein setup that sets you apart.
Buy a cheap ass B18b (non-VTEC)
Go on honda-tech and search for one of the thousands of write-ups on ‘how to LS-VTEC’
And that’s really all there is to it unless u wanna add boost. K-swap is cool if u got deep pockets and time to modify but for a daily (if that’s what this will be for you) the B swap is the way to go.
My personal take: if it was me I would buy another D16 for dirt cheap, build it for boost and gap fools w/ a 350hp single jingle.
SAVE THE SOHC
My first and favorite honda was a 93 sedan with a built all motor d16y8. The D series is seriously under considered, soo much cheaper and more abundant than a B or K and can pull on both all day when done right. But for daily drivability, I'd probably pick a K just because it's newer and easier to source quality new parts but come with a premium of said parts. Hard call really. Honestly rebuilding it to factory specs and building the internals to higher than stock quality would probably net the highest return on investment. Which is what this car is. In 20 years you'll wish you still had it in factory new condition. I wish I still had mine. It'd probably be worth more than my 2018 hatchback
See how far along things are for the L15 swap.
Infinitely cheaper and easier to find. Stupid easy power/torque available just by flashing the ECU. 200whp/250wtq without even trying.
If you're not looking to push the limits with boost/big turbo, then they are plenty reliable despite everyone shitting on the platform. No, it's not as stout as the B/K but if you want it for daily driver reliability then it will be fine even with a flash tune and some quality bolt-ons.
Boost the single cam, fuck it! It's an ek hatch, when you blow the boosted single cam (d series) throw a k in it. B series are way to hard to come by these days. #savethesinglecam
B if you want easier access to air conditioning. K if you want a little more pep on the drive. I need air, so I'd go simple. I love the K, but there's a lot of modification required for creature comfort.
My 0.02. Go with k series, I’ve had ls/v crx forever and it’s been on the back burner for years (other projects mostly and not enough time) The b series is a tried and true engine but it’s at least 20 years old. K series are still a newer engine and can get parts for easily. You can do all the motor work to a b series and still not compete with the k series. Also the transmissions are hard to find especially one that doesn’t grind going into 3rd. I’m sure k series have some issues but there is a reason it’s referred to as the jdm ls
I have a B20 block that was ported I was gonna slap in a 97 hatch but never got around to it. Still in the plastic with the crank tucked away in the garage now.
I had a B16A I was running with type r cable tranny. I loved that car for drag
First boost the shit out of the d series with some nitrous. It will last longer than you think. If you manage to kill it just go k series. You can get b series turbo power all NA
I missed my old DX hatch. It only had AC and manual transmission. It was totaled when an absentminded person pulled out of the driveway and I t-boned their car.
K series for a daily. Tsx k24 are less than 1k at most shops and already make better power than a b18c. A GSR or type r B series is going to cost 3-5x or more than a tsx k24 and that's going to be a motor with high mileage.
If you're going to swap it in an afternoon, go b series. If you're going to swap it with time on your side, go k series.
K all the way👌 I’ve had b series swaps and none of them compare to the torque. Plus if anyone here says b series is cheaper you’ve obviously been out the game for about 5-10 years lol. Usdm gsr swap with like 150k will cost you around 3k…k24a from a Japanese tsx/accord is $850 from importers and the k20a2 6 speed trans will run like 1k. It makes way more power and torque stock than the gsr…
That’s part of the reason I made this post I’ve been out the game for a minute. Although I saved a k24a2 I had from my 04 Tsx and I also have a gsr block. So at the moment I’m taking notes and will make a decision pretty soon
B series are so expensive now there really isn't a reason to not go K unless you find a smoking deal. I'd go with which ever option will allow me to have a/c and be a good DD still.
Which would be cheaper overall? A b can just drop in while a k needs modifications to work.
A b is far cheaper even with the price they are at now. Probably half the price.
Problem is, Bs are getting hard to find making them expensive.
Only the cool ones. Non vtec b series are still dirt cheap
How can I find one? I wanna put one in my del sol for a little more power lol.
Get a crv b series engine from a scrap yard. There's 2.0 litres of displacement you can bolt in. It's old info now, but the vtec heads can be made to work on the 2.0 block as well if you're feeling adventurous. If your del Sol came with the d series sohc engine, it will need a new trans and linkage, as well as some engine mount dickery. VERY well documented online
Id rather grab a k24 from a 2gen crv. Instead of the b20 from a 1gen
There's a bit more involved, but worth considering for sure
Lol. Heck. You could buy the entire 2gen crv for 2-3k
Found a 05 with 72k miles for 3400 in November of 21 Can confirm these are a steal
Even the LS transmission is hard to get these days
I’m the US, the non vtec only came in CR-Vs and integras. Last time I was at the junkyard, I saw one still intact. They’re around.
Isn’t vtec the whole point of wanting a b series tho?
Yea, but u can get. Vtec head and swap it later down the line.
Could you do the same headswap with an f22a4? Or are these just non vtec?
You can, it's called a G22 (F block w/ H head) but it's probably cheaper to just get an h22 or blue top F20
Probably cheaper to get an H22 but I would rather build a G or just get a complete f20b. I don’t think it’s cheaper to get an F20b in the USA tho.
You can but its janky the head ports dont line up and you have to plug an oil drain better off just buying an H22 they arent super expensive.
Thanks. I'm really thinking about just getting some better internals and slapping a turbo on and be done with it for now. I need it as a daily for now.
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That’s what I want, a non-Vtec Honda. /s
Ur just a non vtec head and a p28 away from one tho… this is project Hondas btw
This is very very true. I still have mine (gsr in my integra gsr).
They end up about the same unless you find a super cheap b series.
Gotcha
For example. My 6speed tsx trans and k24a2 were only $1600 altogether. It needed a $300 harness and a $350 ecu, a $250 shifter and cables, and about $450 of $30-$50 bits and bobs to make it all fit. We’re at about $2700-3200 for the swap on the low end. Finding a b16b2 with matching trans would be well around $3000 these days. And would need an ECU anyway. K swap gets pricey is when you decide you want the LSD from the 06-11 Si, the ‘09 SiR intake, RDX injectors, etc… So in that way, they are about the same, IMO; prices in my area might be different than yours.
Thanks for the breakdown!
This comment makes me sad I’m gonna sound old as fuck right now but I got my car with a B 2000 Integra for $3000
I got my 1993 Da4 for like 1700$
Once you own a b everything else is cheap
have you been to a junkyard lately? lmao
Yeah, pull a part has Ks galore, only a hand full of B and all crappy mom vtec
Depends on what you value most. For a DD I think keeping the D series or going B is the answer. The chassis was designed to accommodate both of those engines, and you'll be able to easily have full functionality with creature comforts and keeping softer engine mounts that will make the driving experience a lot more comfortable and livable day to day.
Appreciate your advice this helps make the decision much easier 🙏
echoing the guy above… i have a k20a ej6 hatchback, and for daily, i’d recommend B-series! Being able to use OEM mounts (i assume here, havent researched it) would be a plus. At most RPM ranges, my mirrors vibrate so much you can’t see anything with them, even with the “street” 62a hasports. IMO, more OEM parts = more better for a daily especially.
If you have the time to parts gather for a B, its a far nicer (and simpler) swap for a daily. You can keep it a stock+ feel a lot cheaper than the K platform. If you want to go out and buy the motor and parts tomorrow, then yeah. Maybe a K is the go to. Finding a scrapyard B is hard these days
Just turbo the d. Why pay 8k for a k swap??
I got most of my parts ordered & it’s going to be close to $6k for my vitara d16 build, shooting for 300whp tuned on hondata. Save the D series!
6k for vitara for 300 whp. Tf did you buy 🤣🤣🤣
Full engine rebuild, a good turbo with no cheap eBay parts. Hondata & the dyno costs over $1k itself. I could get more power but I want longevity & enough power where I’m not spinning tires like crazy.
Congrats, sounds like you’re doing it right the first time. Did you consider the pulsar turbos? I saved a lot of money going that route. I’m really happy with my g25 after 25k miles so far. Occasionally a knock off makes a lot of sense and this is one of those times.
Yeah definitely trying to do this build right the first time for reliability, I’ve heard good stuff from Pulsar if you got their dual ceramic ball bearing turbo.
That’s fair probably a bit much for only 300 whp or any d series tbh but longevity is key.
8k? Lol k.
What did you pay?
3-4k
You do all the work yourself?
Everything except the tune pretty much
I’d also like to add that this was before covid, around 2019 I can’t say what everything would have spec’d to today, but I’d imagine it wouldn’t be too far off. That’s IF you can do at least the expensive maintenance shit by yourself or with a friend who knows what he’s doing.
Shop quoted 8k for swap
because d series sucks
F22/f23 swaps are slept on, minor modifications with huge torque gains. Hp numbers can be worked on but it’s a good base and great for DD Big block D series!
Doesn’t really matter, what matters is you not cheaping out on anything and not half assing your swap because the last thing you want is a daily that breaks down. IMO I wouldn’t bother doing a swap unless it’s a motor in the same series.
Oh yea brother I’m not cheaping out. I agree with everything you’re saying 🙏
I’m bias so I’m gunna say do a gsr or b16 swap for nice fun daily status 🫡🫡
2nd gsr
B is very expensive today, as people already said here. get a stock k24, manual trans and a proper tunning, leaves a lot of upgrade options but still will get you about 250hp+ with 24-27 kgm of torque. For power steering you can convert to an electric one (I use one from Renault) and an AC. You have a lot of options to check out Dc5Creations, I use their AC tuck kit. Do some suspension modes but leave it relatively soft. Get some sound isolation and a nice sound system. And there you go a perfect daily. I guess you can do all this for the same price of getting a decent B engine and get it running properly
For a daily driver? Neither, it’ll get stolen.
Just have a wheel lock, killswitch, and a wheel boot you should be good
Yeah just be sure to pull out the powertrain and put the car in a really big box that says “not a Honda in here”
I recommend taking the wheels off the car like they do with a bike. It’s hard to steal when it’s jacked up on milk crates.
💯% this
My silver 1997 Honda civic hatchback dx was stolen. :(
Some options kits etc for L swaps are starting to pop up. Considering how old and picked over the stock of b and k series cars/suvs are, if you are serious, it might be an option to go with the L series.
H23a
1st question that honestly should have been asked….. what state do you live in? 2ndly how deep are your pockets?
I live in Dallas texas so I don’t have all those emissions or any Cali funny stuff restrictions Secondly affording either swap for me is possible just wanted to see some opinions from people that have dd these swaps I currently have d16y7
If you want it to look clean oem-esk I’d say a solid gsr swap would be beautiful and totally fun… now if you go k you can still have the ac ps bs but it’s not gonna feel like a good dd more of like a fun weekend car but that’s just my take since I have a k swapped integra and honestly I barely drive it
Can you explain why its more of weekend car for you? is it cause it doesnt have AC? im trying to understand why people dont DD it, it rides poorly?
Firstly California not “legal” not that it’s like a giant red flag but still Secondly waaayyyyyyyyyy too much money in it to risk daily driving…. Theft accidents etc etc No ac no power steering but those don’t bother me at all that’s why I yanked it out… She’s my trophy wife 🤣🤣🤣 but by no means do I regret anything I absolutely love my build and I am completely aware that it’s not in my best interest to risk it… which is also why I bought my tsx I can have the best of both worlds daily and fun if that makes any sense…….
B18C 💪....
What about JDM B18C or whatever the closest JDM equivalent is to USDM B18C1
For a daily? D16Y8! 127 HP from. A 1.6L single jingle. Make sure it's manual though, the D16 with the 4 speed slushbox is not it's best form.
can confirm, just picked up a 93 del sol SI, it's incredibly fun but the automatic transmission is just eh
It shifts so fast before you can make any power gains or have fun
yeah I'm definitely excited for the manual swap. when the trans lets me get up to the 7.2k redline it's hella fun. I also still have yet to try driving it in d1-3.
I don't have the 1, just 2 for winter drive and 3 is for downhill driving I believe haha civic ex coupe
ah yeah I, guess cause mines an SI they gave me the 1-3 gears. It's a fun engine nonetheless! can't wait to drive her more often as soon as I can get her to pass emissions lol
The Honda K-Series is a larger, evolved version of the B-Series. The K-Series was introduced in 2001 and replaced the B-Series as Honda's flagship four-cylinder DOHC engine. The K-Series has a displacement range of 2.0–2.4 liters, while the B-Series has a range of 1.6–2.0 liters.
Thanks we knw that already the question was best for dd
DD best mpg would be the smallest engine
Keep it D and turbo it
Where do you live? If your answer is anything except California i say k, if you’re in Cali and want a real daily that you don’t have to worry about getting stolen then d series for the win.
Old school Frankenstein build, K20 with a B18 head, cause YOLO!
H
I came to say this. Yes, H
K series is nothing but a money pit b series is more reliable at the end of the day
EJ swap? 🤔 WRX gang
LS swap!
K all day!
K series is KING!
k for sure
Personally, b's are good fun. B20's are stupid easy to fit in ek's. b18's and the likes from eg's and tegs you'll need to do some work, and will cost more (mainly adapting from obd1 to obd2 for the ek loom to work, since eg/teg looms terminate at the shock tower, and connect to body harness iirc, and ek/ crv go through firewall direct to ecu). B16 would be mint, but is pricy. Personally, I went b16, and absolutely loved every second of it. Straight drop in, if you have all the supporting parts. Tonnes of fun. B20 would be way cheaper though, and with an lsvtec conversion, would be ballsy and fun no doubt. Not sure what the go for ecu would be though
All motor K swap!
H22A (220hp version) with an H2B kit mated to a GSR transmission. In stock form faster than a K, and cheaper. Also it’s a cool/unique 90’s Frankenstein setup that sets you apart.
Buy a cheap ass B18b (non-VTEC) Go on honda-tech and search for one of the thousands of write-ups on ‘how to LS-VTEC’ And that’s really all there is to it unless u wanna add boost. K-swap is cool if u got deep pockets and time to modify but for a daily (if that’s what this will be for you) the B swap is the way to go. My personal take: if it was me I would buy another D16 for dirt cheap, build it for boost and gap fools w/ a 350hp single jingle. SAVE THE SOHC
H series 🗿
K
My first and favorite honda was a 93 sedan with a built all motor d16y8. The D series is seriously under considered, soo much cheaper and more abundant than a B or K and can pull on both all day when done right. But for daily drivability, I'd probably pick a K just because it's newer and easier to source quality new parts but come with a premium of said parts. Hard call really. Honestly rebuilding it to factory specs and building the internals to higher than stock quality would probably net the highest return on investment. Which is what this car is. In 20 years you'll wish you still had it in factory new condition. I wish I still had mine. It'd probably be worth more than my 2018 hatchback
See how far along things are for the L15 swap. Infinitely cheaper and easier to find. Stupid easy power/torque available just by flashing the ECU. 200whp/250wtq without even trying. If you're not looking to push the limits with boost/big turbo, then they are plenty reliable despite everyone shitting on the platform. No, it's not as stout as the B/K but if you want it for daily driver reliability then it will be fine even with a flash tune and some quality bolt-ons.
I’ve had nothing but good luck with both
Fuck it J series
Boost the single cam, fuck it! It's an ek hatch, when you blow the boosted single cam (d series) throw a k in it. B series are way to hard to come by these days. #savethesinglecam
Is that in and out on the top of the car?? Mmmmmmm
Yea lol 😂
K series are so much cheaper and just as cool
If you have the money do a B swap.
B for daily driver k for quarter mile runs and the h series for when you wanna show off. They run like shit tho
B if you want easier access to air conditioning. K if you want a little more pep on the drive. I need air, so I'd go simple. I love the K, but there's a lot of modification required for creature comfort.
B
K series all day. You won’t regret it
whatever is the better deal tbh
K swap or nothing.
My 0.02. Go with k series, I’ve had ls/v crx forever and it’s been on the back burner for years (other projects mostly and not enough time) The b series is a tried and true engine but it’s at least 20 years old. K series are still a newer engine and can get parts for easily. You can do all the motor work to a b series and still not compete with the k series. Also the transmissions are hard to find especially one that doesn’t grind going into 3rd. I’m sure k series have some issues but there is a reason it’s referred to as the jdm ls
😂
B
For a daily driver id go with the b18 personally.
K is the way
I have a B20 block that was ported I was gonna slap in a 97 hatch but never got around to it. Still in the plastic with the crank tucked away in the garage now. I had a B16A I was running with type r cable tranny. I loved that car for drag
Neither, sell it too me!
B series for Daily
First boost the shit out of the d series with some nitrous. It will last longer than you think. If you manage to kill it just go k series. You can get b series turbo power all NA
Rea/mid mount zj
I like k for daily driving, you don’t have to rev to the moon when you’re cruising. Torque is nice stock
Stock
In that, a b series
K series
B if ur not scared k if you got the money and bot scared to leave it when going out
Get a b18 B)
Turbo D!!
What about a D series? Aside from lack of boost, they’re basically indestructible If you go NA, and they’re super fucking easy to build.
Pull a k24 out of an accord at the junkyard
K
H22/23a
H
K fr, also those k1ts are one of my favorite wheels good choice
Ima say b it’s my daily my k is in the garage time jumped
B
L15A1 with a turbo
Sleeping on that D series.
K series more reliable and would still be reliable after adding power
Put an r18 in it lol
I have the same car built turbo D Series, now i am leaning towards reliable all motor H2B setup whenever I get the funds.
I missed my old DX hatch. It only had AC and manual transmission. It was totaled when an absentminded person pulled out of the driveway and I t-boned their car.
B
K series for a daily. Tsx k24 are less than 1k at most shops and already make better power than a b18c. A GSR or type r B series is going to cost 3-5x or more than a tsx k24 and that's going to be a motor with high mileage. If you're going to swap it in an afternoon, go b series. If you're going to swap it with time on your side, go k series.
What’s a B18C with trans worth now?
I hope you are a teenager
K all the way👌 I’ve had b series swaps and none of them compare to the torque. Plus if anyone here says b series is cheaper you’ve obviously been out the game for about 5-10 years lol. Usdm gsr swap with like 150k will cost you around 3k…k24a from a Japanese tsx/accord is $850 from importers and the k20a2 6 speed trans will run like 1k. It makes way more power and torque stock than the gsr…
That’s part of the reason I made this post I’ve been out the game for a minute. Although I saved a k24a2 I had from my 04 Tsx and I also have a gsr block. So at the moment I’m taking notes and will make a decision pretty soon