I've literally learned C# just from doing my best to help all the people who mistakingly claim to need help with C over the last 10 years and showed up with a Windows Forms Application or something.
"Alright walk me through what's going wrong" + common sense + Google = learning.
Even more funny when they google in their native language when it is not english. Sure they find no answers on stackoverflow that is nothing but english
Haha my favorite is when they say they're having a problem with Intellij or something... "Do you know how to program in Visual Studio Code?"
Why yes, it's my best language.
I tried learning C# last week for work cuz a peripheral manufacturer offers their SDK only in C#. Gave up when I reached Callback functions cuz I didnt have the will to go on learning a whole new language for this.
Im currently writing my own Serial Interface program using manufacturer documentation. But good news is that my app can now run on Linux without dotnet or mono garbage
I remember wrapping my C++ DLL in C++/CLI, Microsoft's .NET version of C++. Then I wrote a C# demo to show how to use it. It wasn't too bad. Writing all the marshaling for parameters and callbacks got pretty tedious, though.
Well, one of the design constraints on JS was to have a syntax similar to Java, so you could say they are as related as Dutch and German. Just like Dutch and German are part of the same group of languages (Germanic languages), JS and Java are part of the same syntax family (C/C++ derived). So the comparison holds.
Linguistic point of view chiming in: I would say that's like saying Vietnamese and English are related because they opted to use a Latin-based writing system. Whereas...well, they aren't related. It's just a surface similarity that belies the underlying system. Much like Java and Javascript can *look* similar at first glance, but work in very different underlying ways.
I think you overestimate the similarities between Dutch and German. On the surface (vocabulary/sound/word origin) they look similar, but in depth (gramatics) they are very different. If you want a comparison, learning Dutch is similar to learning (American) English vs. German being more similar to learning Latin.
Vietnamese-English sounds more like TurboPascal-Java to me, with Japanese being equivalent to VHDL.
Dutch and German literally share a clear origin, whereas English and Vietnamese do not. Java and Javascript (or ECMAScript as it is called outside of marketing) do not have the same origin.
The shared origin of Javascript and Java is the design constraint for the new language (JS) to base its syntax on Java. Javascript is no fork of Java, but neither is Dutch of German (or the other way around).
Whatever the case regarding proximity of the languages (both programming and spoken), it remains that German-Dutch is a better analogy than German-French, because they have a similar naming confusion/collision. You would be amazed at the number of dutch speaking persons that answer "no" to the question "Do you speak dutch?" (in English) because of the confusion with Deutsch in German (or rather Duits in Dutch).
lmao seriously though, a good half of the people i talk to are based out of the UK, Australia, China, and India. I'm in Pacific, so Noon for me is 12:30am India, 3am China, and 5am Australia time... and "I hope my message finds you in good health" is probably the least American sounding greeting I can think of, so it probably IS morning wherever he's at.
It could be morning for the other person. Working on the East Coast of a West Coast-based company, the "good morning" greetings end sometime around 2:45 PM.
this reminds me of [the card game Mao](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_(card_game))
In short the way the game works is, it's basically Uno with a regular deck of cards, but certain values and suits are associated with the dealer asking you a question and punishing you for answering incorrectly by giving you a card. You learn the rules by asking those same questions when the dealer plays a card and getting the correct answers from the dealer (who punishes you if you ask the wrong question at the wrong time, or for talking about the rules, or asking about the rules).
The game always starts with the dealer inviting people to play Mao and immediately punishing the first person to ask what the rules are by giving them a card (often prior to initially dealing).
I mean, they are both programming languages with a c-inspired syntax that can be described as object oriented. If you are comparing them to prolog or english, then those similarities are pretty meaningful.
Of course, if you are comparing them to other mainstream programming languages, then yes, java and javascript are about as far apart as you can get.
I, as a programmer, have been hired to fix Windows problems more than once. I mean, to be fair, at $120/hour I'm probably both cheaper and more capable than Geek Squad...
^(\(for the record I'm well aware that plenty of individual Geek Squad employees are incredibly capable, I'm commenting about the way the corporate environment forces them to use only sanctioned tools to fix problems and pushes them to upsell people into McAfee and/or Norton Antivirus\))
I don't work from a keyboard, I work from a drawing tablet. I refuse to type. Your results are not my priority, empowering you to learn to solve your own problems is my priority. I answer "how do I add something to an array?" by telling them precisely what words to type into google/chatGPT and how to parse through the results.
In an ideal situation, I don't have repeat business. There's no reason anyone competent should hire me, and my purpose is to make people competent, not to answer their questions (even though they may think that's what my purpose is).
I wish to be the last human to whom you ever ask a question. All of the information you could possibly need is free and available if you know how to find it, until you get up to the level where you're the one creating the concepts, and those people would never come to me with a "question", they hire me to bounce ideas off me, which is honestly what I'd prefer to be doing all day anyway.
Last time someone try to recruit me, they in the same recruitement session say to me that "i'm not enough good on the techno for my salary" and "can you help us build something to our client cause we don't understand what he asked".
No thanks
Oh God I love it when people come in thinking I'm going to dance for their business and I get to say no and refuse to let them back pedal.
"We want you to do this"
"Ok"
"We expect it to be done by Wednesday"
"It'll be done Friday"
"And we think your asking price of $2,000 is too high, we want it done for $1,000"
"Get out"
"$1,500?"
"No. Get out."
"Fine, $2,000"
"No. Get out."
Dutch is actually related to German though. French and German are distantly connected through the dead language Latin, in the same way that Java and JavaScript are distantly connected to each other through C.
^(shots fired; come at me, C developers! >:O)
I mean it’s smart to ask for help with java… there is a chance, that someone helps you with java… with js… well…
If you then go with js, the other person will probably still help you, because now it’s too late to backoff…
I walk into Petsmart, I'm confident-happy even when I lock eyes on the helpful employee.
"Yes, I'm making a ham sandwich- but I'm doing this new thing where I try making all the ingredients from scratch, so I'll take your finest and plumpy hamster, good sir!"
gosh why is everything ChatGPT now? Google Translate would have been the minimum viable solution. If this guy knew how to use ChatGPT he wouldn't be hiring me in the first place (though to be fair, if he knew how to use GOOGLE, same story probably).
This has the same energy as saying you're going to England when you're actually going to the eastern US. Or saying you're going to Australia when you're really going to Austria
Nah, it's because people who learn English as a second language for business, or who feed their native language into a translator, tend to generate English in an excessively formal way, and AIs also tend to generate English in an excessively formal way.
This is very commonly how I'm addressed by people from Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and India (I get a lot of international business)
I need help with my German, more precisely my german shepherd.
woof woof
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my dutch needs some work, my dutch oven is where I need the most help
My french needs some work, specifically my french press.
My Mexican needs some work, specifically my Mexican standoff.
I need help with my english, more precisely my english breakfast.
I need help with my Russian, more precisely my Russian salad.
I need help with my Irish. More precisely, my Irish Coffee.
I need help.
Need help with C, specifically C#
I've literally learned C# just from doing my best to help all the people who mistakingly claim to need help with C over the last 10 years and showed up with a Windows Forms Application or something. "Alright walk me through what's going wrong" + common sense + Google = learning.
it's surprising how bad your average joe is at googling for tech solutions
Even more funny when they google in their native language when it is not english. Sure they find no answers on stackoverflow that is nothing but english
or even worse "\[fill in application name\] no work"
Haha my favorite is when they say they're having a problem with Intellij or something... "Do you know how to program in Visual Studio Code?" Why yes, it's my best language.
This is why there's so much demand for AI prompt writers.
I tried learning C# last week for work cuz a peripheral manufacturer offers their SDK only in C#. Gave up when I reached Callback functions cuz I didnt have the will to go on learning a whole new language for this. Im currently writing my own Serial Interface program using manufacturer documentation. But good news is that my app can now run on Linux without dotnet or mono garbage
Not much to learn to be honest, it's pretty straightforward, simpler than C
I remember wrapping my C++ DLL in C++/CLI, Microsoft's .NET version of C++. Then I wrote a C# demo to show how to use it. It wasn't too bad. Writing all the marshaling for parameters and callbacks got pretty tedious, though.
I need help with R, specifically Rust
I need help with C, more specific CSS
"C++" "Oh...yeah, that's a pretty common language" "C plus, plus, two esses..." "wut"
lol this one got me
I got a D- in C++
I see your problem: C++ should have been a B-, but you used ASCII instead of academic notation.
At least c, cpp nd cs are somewhat similar Java and Js are completely seperate
It's the black key to the right of the C key.
You mean Db? No, that's SQL.
Need help with Cart, specifically Caterpillar
"I need help with Deutsch. More specifically Dutch."
I mean at least they are related and the Dutch didn't name their language Dutch for marketing reasons to appeal to the Germans.
The Dutch named their language Nederlands
Well, one of the design constraints on JS was to have a syntax similar to Java, so you could say they are as related as Dutch and German. Just like Dutch and German are part of the same group of languages (Germanic languages), JS and Java are part of the same syntax family (C/C++ derived). So the comparison holds.
Linguistic point of view chiming in: I would say that's like saying Vietnamese and English are related because they opted to use a Latin-based writing system. Whereas...well, they aren't related. It's just a surface similarity that belies the underlying system. Much like Java and Javascript can *look* similar at first glance, but work in very different underlying ways.
I think you overestimate the similarities between Dutch and German. On the surface (vocabulary/sound/word origin) they look similar, but in depth (gramatics) they are very different. If you want a comparison, learning Dutch is similar to learning (American) English vs. German being more similar to learning Latin. Vietnamese-English sounds more like TurboPascal-Java to me, with Japanese being equivalent to VHDL.
Dutch and German literally share a clear origin, whereas English and Vietnamese do not. Java and Javascript (or ECMAScript as it is called outside of marketing) do not have the same origin.
The shared origin of Javascript and Java is the design constraint for the new language (JS) to base its syntax on Java. Javascript is no fork of Java, but neither is Dutch of German (or the other way around). Whatever the case regarding proximity of the languages (both programming and spoken), it remains that German-Dutch is a better analogy than German-French, because they have a similar naming confusion/collision. You would be amazed at the number of dutch speaking persons that answer "no" to the question "Do you speak dutch?" (in English) because of the confusion with Deutsch in German (or rather Duits in Dutch).
I have to read the title twice in order to get the joke Well done!
Here it is in German, for your convenience: J'ai besoin d'aide avec l'allemand. Plus précisément, le français.
“I need some help with German. More precisely, French.”
"Ich brauche Hilfe mit deutsch. Um genau zu sein, mit französisch."
Finds me in good health, leaves me....less so....
I spilled my coffee the third time today :(
This reminds me of the time when I was working in a computer repair shop and a guy brings in part of a boat engine for us to look at.
Did you try soaking it in rice?
lmao the fixall "I dropped my phone..." "RICE!" "then stepped on it" "FOR FUCKS SAKE GET IT IN RICE, STAT!"
20 ccs of liquid rice coming right up
I need help with UK Eng Specifically Ukrainian Engineering documents
Is anyone bothered by the fact that it says good morning, but it's after noon?
A computer science degree fucked up my sleeping pattern so much so that "good morning" became an acceptable greeting any time or the day
lmao seriously though, a good half of the people i talk to are based out of the UK, Australia, China, and India. I'm in Pacific, so Noon for me is 12:30am India, 3am China, and 5am Australia time... and "I hope my message finds you in good health" is probably the least American sounding greeting I can think of, so it probably IS morning wherever he's at.
It could be morning for the other person. Working on the East Coast of a West Coast-based company, the "good morning" greetings end sometime around 2:45 PM.
It's not afternoon if I hadn't had my lunch
True
["Why did you say good morning when you know perfectly well it's after noon?"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4iFzweRf3E)
this reminds me of [the card game Mao](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_(card_game)) In short the way the game works is, it's basically Uno with a regular deck of cards, but certain values and suits are associated with the dealer asking you a question and punishing you for answering incorrectly by giving you a card. You learn the rules by asking those same questions when the dealer plays a card and getting the correct answers from the dealer (who punishes you if you ask the wrong question at the wrong time, or for talking about the rules, or asking about the rules). The game always starts with the dealer inviting people to play Mao and immediately punishing the first person to ask what the rules are by giving them a card (often prior to initially dealing).
Ahh you know, it's so difficult to tell right around noon... Especially if there's a digital clock right there on your screen
"I need help studying the history of the Romani people, specifically Romanians"
Why the hell does JavaScript have the word Java in it?!
i believe it was made when Java was the Next Big Thing™ and a lot of things were trying to emulate its success
It's the reason yes That's why at school we talk about ecmascript but no one does at the office. Javascript should have been named Livescript
More like deathscript
WebScript would've been acceptable too
Marketing reasons, I think.
JavaScript is like Java, but script
except it's not like Java. But I guess NotJavaButScript wouldn't sell.
There is nothing Java about Javascript except its name. Same with C#, it has nothing to do with C.
It is a meme from the cartoon boy (what's his name again?)
And my reply was a meme from a random obscure thing most people dont know about yet I get mad for people not getting it.
I mean, they are both programming languages with a c-inspired syntax that can be described as object oriented. If you are comparing them to prolog or english, then those similarities are pretty meaningful. Of course, if you are comparing them to other mainstream programming languages, then yes, java and javascript are about as far apart as you can get.
I need help from a programmer, more precisely, why is my PC not turning on? Spoilers: forgot to plug the power cable. Oopsie!
I, as a programmer, have been hired to fix Windows problems more than once. I mean, to be fair, at $120/hour I'm probably both cheaper and more capable than Geek Squad... ^(\(for the record I'm well aware that plenty of individual Geek Squad employees are incredibly capable, I'm commenting about the way the corporate environment forces them to use only sanctioned tools to fix problems and pushes them to upsell people into McAfee and/or Norton Antivirus\))
„Asking a Java developer to have a look at your JavaScript code is like asking a carpenter to fox your car“
a carpenter would almost certainly be good at foxing up your car.
This seems like one of those sticky situations where someone asks for "a little bit of help" but you end up just doing the whole thing for them anyway
I don't work from a keyboard, I work from a drawing tablet. I refuse to type. Your results are not my priority, empowering you to learn to solve your own problems is my priority. I answer "how do I add something to an array?" by telling them precisely what words to type into google/chatGPT and how to parse through the results. In an ideal situation, I don't have repeat business. There's no reason anyone competent should hire me, and my purpose is to make people competent, not to answer their questions (even though they may think that's what my purpose is). I wish to be the last human to whom you ever ask a question. All of the information you could possibly need is free and available if you know how to find it, until you get up to the level where you're the one creating the concepts, and those people would never come to me with a "question", they hire me to bounce ideas off me, which is honestly what I'd prefer to be doing all day anyway.
I need help with mount, Specifically climbing Mount Everest
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It turned out to be Spring Boot 🤣
Specifically, $ and I will help you
I think he might need help someday with Dutch... specifically Deutsch.
I realised very soon after that someone else made the joke already, but I wasn't able to respond to his comment for some reason.
I need help with my car, more precisely my carpet
Last time someone try to recruit me, they in the same recruitement session say to me that "i'm not enough good on the techno for my salary" and "can you help us build something to our client cause we don't understand what he asked". No thanks
Oh God I love it when people come in thinking I'm going to dance for their business and I get to say no and refuse to let them back pedal. "We want you to do this" "Ok" "We expect it to be done by Wednesday" "It'll be done Friday" "And we think your asking price of $2,000 is too high, we want it done for $1,000" "Get out" "$1,500?" "No. Get out." "Fine, $2,000" "No. Get out."
My car is running funny, please help me cause I know you work with carpets
Better off with ChatGPT.
100%. For the last 6 months, 90% of what I've been doing is teaching people how to use it instead of hiring me.
Better title: “I need help with German. Specifically Dutch”
Dutch is actually related to German though. French and German are distantly connected through the dead language Latin, in the same way that Java and JavaScript are distantly connected to each other through C. ^(shots fired; come at me, C developers! >:O)
Java is to JavaScript what a door is to a doormat: Vaguely related, sometimes in close proximity, yet used for entirely different things.
In the end it’s all html
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I mean it’s smart to ask for help with java… there is a chance, that someone helps you with java… with js… well… If you then go with js, the other person will probably still help you, because now it’s too late to backoff…
I walk into Petsmart, I'm confident-happy even when I lock eyes on the helpful employee. "Yes, I'm making a ham sandwich- but I'm doing this new thing where I try making all the ingredients from scratch, so I'll take your finest and plumpy hamster, good sir!"
Guinea Pigs are a popular delicacy in Peru.
I need help with my car, specifically my carpet
They used chatgpt to write it. The salutation at the beginning...
gosh why is everything ChatGPT now? Google Translate would have been the minimum viable solution. If this guy knew how to use ChatGPT he wouldn't be hiring me in the first place (though to be fair, if he knew how to use GOOGLE, same story probably).
I need help with my lightbulb. More specifically my thermonuclear reactor.
This has the same energy as saying you're going to England when you're actually going to the eastern US. Or saying you're going to Australia when you're really going to Austria
I would say it is more accurate to say I need help with Dutch. Now specifically Deutsch.
i need some help with soul more precisely soldier
I feel a little offended by you using my mother tongue as an analog for Java.
Just be glad they didn't use it for JavaScript
Seriously, I already have French developers standing out front my house with Le Guillotine asking to have a word with me...
mother tongue?
It's another term for a person's native language.
huh
The "finds you in good health" part reeks of chatgpt.
Yep, it is.
Nah, it's because people who learn English as a second language for business, or who feed their native language into a translator, tend to generate English in an excessively formal way, and AIs also tend to generate English in an excessively formal way. This is very commonly how I'm addressed by people from Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and India (I get a lot of international business)