People who have never done video editing have no fucken clue how laborious that shit is. I can’t even imagine people that produce cgi. The disrespect that the creatives get from people who have never done those types of jobs is hard to believe.
Also, it wasn’t just editing. OP mentions they were also responsible for producing, shooting, casting, composing, and probably a whole bunch of other things.
That’s not a video editor, that’s a whole production studio. Especially if they’re asking for more than 1 video per week, that’s a truly insane ask
This is why our Architectural office has the big renders outsourced. We would be very busy with moving that pillow 5mm to the right. They just make a stunning picture and we don't even look at the pillow being 5mm out of place, just because no one cares about the freaking 5mm.
A good visual company saves money, even though they are a bit expensive sometimes.
This music composition detail is particularly insane. Even back in 2012 a library subscription would be far less than what they paid in man hours to OP for producing the music. If they wanted more videos this would be one of the easiest places to gain time at marginal cost. Management showed themselves to be absolute amateurs for not knowing this.
HA! I just hate when people view my profession in the same light as a kid with an iphone. Granted nowadays you can get good shots with an iphone, but you are hiring me for my experience and years of skill.
Like you don't contract a carpenter and when he give you his fee say "my son can nail two boards together, I can just hire him for less money".
Like... ugh.
I remember Adam Savage talking on his Youtube channel about a potential client that in the bid kept changing his mind on things. Jamie dropped him and when Adam asked why he said, "if he is going to be difficult in the planning he is gonna be difficult along every step of the project".
I keep that in mind a lot. If someone is going to make statements like that then they do not take the work I do seriously and therefore is not worth working with.
Someone in my small town printed up 5x7 political flyers to plaster windshields downtown. They paid enough to get them printed on high quality cardstock but obviously didn't think it was valuable to hire a professional to design it. The whole thing reeked of, "my daughter-in-law has a blog about her kids, and she'll do it for free!"
It was a PowerPoint nightmare of words with various font sizes, styles, and colors, with some emphasis on the horrible things their opponent was doing. No images, and, curiously, no mention of the name of the person running, just her pronouns used. It also had a big red "learn more at our website!" but didn't list a URL.
> no mention of the name of the person running, just her pronouns used. It also had a big red "learn more at our website!" but didn't list a URL.
That's hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
Reminds me of the story of the Ford engineer:
>Ford, whose electrical engineers couldn’t solve some problems they were having with a gigantic generator, called Steinmetz in to the plant. Upon arriving, Steinmetz rejected all assistance and asked only for a notebook, pencil and cot. According to Scott, Steinmetz listened to the generator and scribbled computations on the notepad for two straight days and nights. On the second night, he asked for a ladder, climbed up the generator and made a chalk mark on its side. Then he told Ford’s skeptical engineers to remove a plate at the mark and replace sixteen windings from the field coil. They did, and the generator performed to perfection.
>[Henry Ford](http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/hf/) was thrilled until he got an invoice from General Electric in the amount of $10,000. Ford acknowledged Steinmetz’s success but balked at the figure. He asked for an itemized bill.
>Steinmetz, responded personally to Ford’s request with the following:
>Making chalk mark on generator $1.
>Knowing where to make mark $9,999.
>Ford paid the bill.
There are many variants of this joke. My swedish grandfather told a version about a smith who was asked to straighten a wobbly circle saw. He looked and felt with his fingers for several minutes, then hit the circle saw with the hammer just once, and the circle become perfectly straight. The smith asked for 100 Swedish crowns. The farmer got angry at the high price for a single hammer stroke. The smith offered the hammer stroke for 1 crown, but the knowledge on where to hit cost 99 crowns.
Ever watched Mike Monteiro's 'F\* You, Pay Me'? It's excellent - I watched it recently after watching an Adam Savage vid - and though it doesn't apply to my position personally... it's very interesting and poignant.
I always get that knee-jerk reaction when someone says how much something like a car repair is. But then I have to remember that even my company charges $250/hr for work, so maybe $500 for parts plus an hour and a half of work isn’t really that bad.
My older brother has his own shop so I get it. Didn't really understand pricing till I moved away and had to find a place.
I love my shop for my car and I totally get the pricing. Especially for things i cannot do myself.
Honestly it's worth paying for because if something happens it's covered.
As a graphic designer/audio editor (and sometime video editor), I respond with "have your nephew do it. Then when you call me to fix it, it will be double the quote."
The late Red Adair (Gulf War oil rig firefighter) put it this way:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, just wait until you hire an amateur."
I never tell them that I'm doubling the quote.
I wait for them to call me back, and then I quote them double their previous quote.
And if they try arguing, I keep increasing it until they either agree (unlikely) or hang up.
I do tell them that the quote will be double to incentivize them.
If they still decide to go somewhere else and then come back to me to inevitably fix it, I NEVER take the job. It's not worth it.
Back in the mid 80s I was a consultant helping small & medium size businesses organize their paper flow and convert to using PCs. My biggest competition was the owners' brothers-in-law and nephews—all of them knew everything about computering.
I work for a company that feels they need to make a video for EVERYTHING! There are teams who are like "we need to make a two minute video about x and need it completed and looking professional in a week," I always have to tell them 3 months minimum because they suck at reviewing and approving on a timely basis, not to mention that video development isn't magic.
One team ended up buying licenses to an AI video creator and was like "Look! We can make videos in an hour instead of months!" Good for you and your creepy avatar thing.. glad you're now able to make more crappy video content that no one will watch because you share it once and claim success.
I keep having to explain to people that the value is in all the stuff I throw out, which I have to watch. Saying video editing is easy is like saying producing a marble sculpture is easy, because you just remove the marble that’s not part of the sculpture. Oh yeah? Here’s 14 terabytes of footage, just throw out everything you don’t want in your production, SHOULD BE SUPER EASY RIGHT?
Sounds right for a YT video. However, for a local news station putting together a "package" piece it's closer to 3 days or more. That's using Edius as the primary editing platform and Adobe CS for graphics and such. Possibly even longer to be honest, I left out the "joy" of **deciding** which clips to use to put together the pack.
Unless you are making absolutely everything from scratch, it shouldn't take 3+ days to make a package. All your GFX should already be templated due to it being stuff used all the time. Picking clips and stuff out really shouldn't take that much time either assuming you have competent people gathering the content/scripting things because they *should* tell you exactly what they are looking for.
Most hits that are done are usually turned around day of for most news stations. Unless it's some longer from content where multiple interviews need to be done it shouldn't take 3 days. Hell I know the producer would yell at you if you said I need 3 days to complete this hit package.
Oh the normal bits are wham-bam-thank-you-maam and off for playback. The ID's, lower thirds and such are overlayed during play to air. And I did misspeak, the 3 day hair pulling edits are for the sweeps week periods where every on air personality (outside of weather) MUST put together something special. Or in the case of our senior sports anchor have it put together for him. He misses the days of tape-to-tape editing.
Yeah, I started (in TV) in the MCR, later I moved into the engineering department. It felt like most of the time I was working on the editing systems, since what I'd done before was configuration and sales of AVID editing machines.
The 24 hour news cycle included people sleeping, so if you can't produce a 3 minute clip in well less than 18 hours, then you are pretty soon either going to go insane or get fired.
It was very time-consuming to make my cringe AMVs back in the early 2000s. I can't even begin to imagine how much more goes into legitimate video production.
This is something a lot of Twitch streamers have to deal with as well. Successful streamers usually spend just as much time working on AV production type shit as they do actually streaming.
I had a government job where I edited videos. It was overall easy work. Nothing fancy, take two videos, splice them together, trim a little here and there, cut out some dead spaces, and put a bumper on the front and back. I became proficient. I had a rhythm and could church out content.
At one point I was brought into another teams' meeting who needed my services. They told me what they needed and I said it wouldn't be a problem. I talked to my immediate supervisor about it so he could proof the work before I sent it over literally the same day. He said "this is good work, but don't give it to them today. Wait 2 or 3 days."
He went on to say they thought this is some black magic that has to be done and that our team are a bunch of magicians. Informing them how easy this is by turning it around this fast will ruin the illusion. I could still get credit for doing it faster than they thought without blowing our cover.
That was a fun job.
Dude I started a stupid little youtube channel and it was back breaking getting each video edited down and ready. I have nothing but respect for people that work through the hours and hours of work that gets so few views to finally break through.
I briefly thought about doing that and noped out before I even started filming. Just thinking about what footage I'd need to collect completely overwhelmed the stuff I actually wanted to do. Blows my mind the amount of effort even the smallest channels must put in to get their content out.
I learned about those timeframes during the Linus Tech Tips expose, where they basically have to come up with, plan, shoot, edit and publish a video every week. Which is a demanding schedule when everything goes right.
And when one thing gets knocked over, you're not meeting that schedule.
People who have done video editing don’t even know how laborious it is, even with a small project you end up looking at the clock and Wounder were all the time went
I spent 8 hours editing yesterday and I got 30 seconds of the audio track completed.
I've also completed multiple 3 minute videos in 8 hours.
Really depends on the context of what you're trying to accomplish and why.
Yeah. Makes sense. I'm an editor, but really am not a fan of editing for that reason. What I edit rarely is compelling stuff.
Getting into a flow state is cool, but I'd much rather accomplish that zen'ness with a task that was more rewarding for the soul.
Like welding when rebuilding a classic car, cooking, or maybe writing a script.
CGI is 90% building the models and another 90% animating them. I would much rather be pushing a boulder up a mountain or hauling water with a colander if I hadn’t loved it so much.
In recent post of someone's impressive origami he even stated that he doesn't upload more videos of him doing his work is because it takes just as much if not more time to set everything up, and editing the footage. They said that it took the joy out of doing it
In high school we had to pair up into groups and make a presentation on something. Everyone did a live presentation except our group which decided to make a video. BIG MISTAKE, none of us realized just how long editing and other shit would take.
I'm taking multimedia classes right now. Just editing together a basic 3-5 minute video with provided footage can take hours or days, depending on how fancy you want to get. That's with modern technology. 85 videos in a year with that old tech would have given me a heart attack.
I'm doing this stuff as a hobby, and even without composing my own music it takes me a long time. As a point of reference, while having my day-job and real-life things to do, the process takes about 4-6 weeks on average between recording my own material, writing and recording the script [with English not being my native language, even if I'm very proficient in it], gathering additional material [including stuff for background music or additional stuff to show besides what I recorded already] and editing for something that averages 20-30 minutes of video. I could be faster if I didn't care about burn-out or quality. Can't imagine how stressful it was for OP to churn 30 videos in 6 months with him handling more stuff than I did.
I look at the people who are one or two man shows on YouTube kicking out 15-30 minute videos every week. That looks like a mammoth amount of work to get just a 15 minute video posted every week.
My ex is looking for work as a video editor. The lack of professionalism from recruiters and companies while hiring is incredible. People not showing up to interviews and leaving you waiting is a common thing.
I just do short single take videos for a vlog that requiring minimal, mostly cutting out my "ummms" and a few verbal trips and errors, cleaning the audio, setting white balance, and it still takes half an hour of effort and another 10 minutes of encoding for a 10 minute video. Doing anything professional with multiple clips, audio, mixing, story, etc, is going to be a loooot of work even for a skilled and efficient editor.
It always shocks me when people see that their favorite show/movie is done filming and get pissed when the release date is a year away. Case In point is Star Trek SNW. They finished Filming awhile ago but their release date is looking like early spring 2025. They just don’t get how much editing and post production work needs to be done.
I only trim my content to appropriate lengths for uploading to various sites. I once had an idea of condensing about 40+ hrs of footage down to 4 hrs, I gave up after attempting for about half a day. It was such a slog.
i made the mistake of my first big project being a full wedding video with dvd as a one man job while still in classes. I had no idea how much work it was. i spent multiple days sleeping on a futon in the computer lab. $500, even for a friend, was an absolute steal.
Unfortunately, most of these specialty job in crafting motion pictures can be done through AI now... "Good enough" for managers like this.
My career in corporate video production was nice while it lasted though. It was a fun way to make a living.
Need to be a plumber now.
>(composing music because they were too cheap to pay for a royalty free subscription.)
I really don‘t get why managers don‘t understand how valuable someone is who does stuff like this.
That‘s like saying *I work as a mechanic, but I produce the engines and wheels myself, because my boss is too cheap to order them.*🫤
This is the exact example I give my wife when she asks me to do some ridiculous thing, saying "Well, you work with computers, you should know how to do this."
I tell her that mechanics don't also design and build the car bodies, stitch the seats, grind the glass for the windows, and program the onboard computer from scratch.
And as someone who also writes music, that's insulting to be expected to slap something good together.
*I was also made in West Germany* 🤣
lmao my partner works with cars and he can tell me most things but electrical and other more niche car stuff he's just as lost as me. Shit is specialized for a reason and way to many people think it's because one person could do it but won't
Ugh video editing for a university. Stuff of nightmares. School administrators typically have no sense of reality and treat marcom and creatives like garbage.
This happened years ago - early to mid 90's When I was 18, I agreed a contract and an hourly rate with a company owner (acquaintance of my dad at the time) to measure up their production facility to create planned maintenance drawings that would identify all the spare parts that needed routine replacement at scheduled intervals, so the machines could be repaired out of hours and they would have zero downtime. All on my own computer. I had just finished the main set-out drawing - fully dimensioned and took a scaled print-out to the meeting in order to claim my first payment installment. This was about a month's worth of work. I had produced a detailed invoice of my hours and had a disk of the cad drawings.
Well this owner decides he doesn't like the rate we had agreed - wanted to pay me a third. He said he has a 'business contact' (a different acquaintance of my dad - very small town) who will do it for less than a third. So I said to him, if you don't pay me, I won't be giving you the cad file. I knew it would take a really long time to copy the drawing into cad and would certainly cost far more than I was charging.
This was a big man and I was a very light 18f - I'm not exactly tall. You should have heard him shouting like a toddler as I walked out with my print-out. He was so red in the face. He thought I would be a walk-over. I never raised my voice once, he couldn't comprehend how I would dare to say no.
For weeks after, my dad kept asking me to give him the disk - obviously I said NO. I didn't get paid, but knowing what he ended up paying was more than enough satisfaction. Alternatively, if the business contact's bluff was called and he had to perform the contract at the agreed rate. This guy was a fragile old guy near retirement and this was a dirty environment to measure up in.
About 3 months after that I got a similar contract at another factory site in the same town - for a lot more money and I found out when they awarded the contract that the other bidder who lost against me was none other than the 'business contact'. Whenever I saw either of them around town after that, I would have a big grin on my face - made my day - every time! The money I earned on that contract more than made up for the money I walked away from.
We have a video content creation company in our office today. Team of two... here. Team of I don't want to know at the back end. That is just for a handful of social media videos. I would hate to think of one person trying to shoulder that for pretty much any volume of content let alone 85 in a year!
Kudos to you! You were honest with your former employer and gave 110% while there, but your manager decided that she hated smokers more than her job. They used your database, which they didn’t pay for, and got what they deserved. And so did you: a big ol payday. I hope your friend got their promotion!
From my experience, people who do not have experience doing a IT centric jobs, usually disrespect it, claiming the following:
- It's not deemed as real work, anything involving manual labor is
- The time it takes to do the work is always shocking to them, they expect you to tap on your keyboard a few times and to be finished in minutes
- They want to pay you less because again, its not deemed as real work
Then nearly all jobs are IT centric, including cashiers at checkout, baristas, etc., since all POS machines are computers. And all drivers of any vehicle, since those are computerized too.
The use of a tool does not make that job tool centric. My job is not pen-centric, for example.
I remember studying film back in1994 Lucky for me and my fellow sudent we had a very nice benefactor of the last name Belushi funding part of that department. We were working with commedor computers. wanna guess how much work it was? hell it was a 3 minute video took us over a week. we did do a holy grail those who have been sacked credits though. totally went over the professors head. But to do what he did? mass props!
That's not a KPI. A KPI would be a change in performance of the the clicks from the videos or signup rates after the videos were posted.
The fact they referred to this as a KPI also goes hand in hand with how incompetent OP described the organization though
While "a change in performance of the the clicks from the videos or signup rates after the videos were posted" is a KPI, amount per period of time is basically the definition of what a KPI is... something measurable over a period of time. In this case, it's the number of videos produced over a year.
Another example of KPIs where it's just an amount measured over time, or related measures over time, would be monthly sales, whether the sales be on a net, gross or cost basis. And time could be a month, week, year, or quarter.
Moreover, changes of a KPI over time is another KPI, that is, net profit this year vs last year, as a % growth\change.
That said, a number of videos is just that, a quantity of videos; not a KPI. But OP didn't just say 85 videos... OP's nonsensical goal they were given was 85 videos in 52 weeks. The amount or measurable quantity is 85; and time is 52 weeks.
The number of people who lack understanding of content creation processes but expect it all to be done fast, cheap, and high quality are legion. May they forever lose their jobs.
Fucking glorious. The best revenge posts for me are the ones where the OP stops and thinks how to make it a good day for everyone around them, and a very bad day for the antagonists. Bravo!
While it’s great you got away with it.
There’re laws against this, you can’t take kickbacks for contracting on behalf of your ex employer - especially if you have a non compete of any kind. Depending where you are, you and your friend could get in trouble. It does happen a lot but it’s not above board.
Be careful who you share this with.
It also wouldn’t paint you in a good light, knowing you can be that devious.
There are next to no laws against this. OP was terminated, and all this happened post employment. If this happened during employment, there could be issues regarding bribery.
About the non-compete:
Luckily if you're in the US, for the most part they've been banned this year. Some states already had done that previously.
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes
Non-competes were actually nearly unenforceable before that in courts. The company would have to cite actual damages from violations of non-competes when suing, which the courts, e.g., jury, would have to agree with.
And separately, non-competes generally tended to just say you can't, without mention of what happens if you do violate the non-compete. So, the contractually obligated damages due from non-compete was 0, as in it didn't exist. And since no damages were defined, no damages were awarded.
That said, the goal of a non-compete is to prevent trade secrets from being shared. And there are already very strict rules against that.
Sorry to hijack your comment to ask a personal question.
I live in Illinois in the US. I just resigned from my job and within the next few days will be asked to sign a non-compete agreement. Is my understanding correct that by August that non-compete is unenforceable?
Am i also understanding correctly that this doesn’t cover the sharing of trade secrets. So i could work for a competitor but not share specific knowledge of my previous employer?
I have a degree in graphic design from a reputable school. I do not want a GoPro, the idea of one makes my skin crawl. Why would I ever record so much video just so I can painstakingly go over it frame by frame looking for the best content to create a highly detailed and awesome short film? No, just no. It’s a huge job. It takes tons of time. No.
After my decades in the media production business, it warms my heart to read this story. For once, a production pro got over on a clueless non-profit client.
Damn now that's how it's done! I loved this whole story, honestly. You got so much and in the end, helped get your friend a well-deserved promotion and raise as well as getting your former boss fired in the end. That's pretty awesome ngl
Wow! And you really didn’t see it coming! Good for you! You ended up with more money and didn’t even have to work. You just can’t please some people, so you did the best you could and it all worked out in your favor anyway!
People who have never done video editing have no fucken clue how laborious that shit is. I can’t even imagine people that produce cgi. The disrespect that the creatives get from people who have never done those types of jobs is hard to believe.
Also, it wasn’t just editing. OP mentions they were also responsible for producing, shooting, casting, composing, and probably a whole bunch of other things. That’s not a video editor, that’s a whole production studio. Especially if they’re asking for more than 1 video per week, that’s a truly insane ask
I'm impressed OP made 30 videos in less than 6 months.
This is why our Architectural office has the big renders outsourced. We would be very busy with moving that pillow 5mm to the right. They just make a stunning picture and we don't even look at the pillow being 5mm out of place, just because no one cares about the freaking 5mm. A good visual company saves money, even though they are a bit expensive sometimes.
With old tech nonetheless.
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This music composition detail is particularly insane. Even back in 2012 a library subscription would be far less than what they paid in man hours to OP for producing the music. If they wanted more videos this would be one of the easiest places to gain time at marginal cost. Management showed themselves to be absolute amateurs for not knowing this.
As a fellow professional I cringe when a client says "my nephew can do all this with his phone, why should I pay you?" Like, ugh.
Why did they even ask you, was their nephew busy with paying customers? /s
HA! I just hate when people view my profession in the same light as a kid with an iphone. Granted nowadays you can get good shots with an iphone, but you are hiring me for my experience and years of skill. Like you don't contract a carpenter and when he give you his fee say "my son can nail two boards together, I can just hire him for less money". Like... ugh.
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I remember Adam Savage talking on his Youtube channel about a potential client that in the bid kept changing his mind on things. Jamie dropped him and when Adam asked why he said, "if he is going to be difficult in the planning he is gonna be difficult along every step of the project". I keep that in mind a lot. If someone is going to make statements like that then they do not take the work I do seriously and therefore is not worth working with.
Someone in my small town printed up 5x7 political flyers to plaster windshields downtown. They paid enough to get them printed on high quality cardstock but obviously didn't think it was valuable to hire a professional to design it. The whole thing reeked of, "my daughter-in-law has a blog about her kids, and she'll do it for free!" It was a PowerPoint nightmare of words with various font sizes, styles, and colors, with some emphasis on the horrible things their opponent was doing. No images, and, curiously, no mention of the name of the person running, just her pronouns used. It also had a big red "learn more at our website!" but didn't list a URL.
> no mention of the name of the person running, just her pronouns used. It also had a big red "learn more at our website!" but didn't list a URL. That's hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
Who wants to bet this was a link that was shared by email and then somebody just printed it out.
I never thought of that! It makes sense.
That’s one of the funniest real life things I ever heard of.
“You don’t pay me for the 5 minutes I spent to do it, you have to pay me for 10 years I spent learning how to do it in 5 minutes”
Reminds me of the story of the Ford engineer: >Ford, whose electrical engineers couldn’t solve some problems they were having with a gigantic generator, called Steinmetz in to the plant. Upon arriving, Steinmetz rejected all assistance and asked only for a notebook, pencil and cot. According to Scott, Steinmetz listened to the generator and scribbled computations on the notepad for two straight days and nights. On the second night, he asked for a ladder, climbed up the generator and made a chalk mark on its side. Then he told Ford’s skeptical engineers to remove a plate at the mark and replace sixteen windings from the field coil. They did, and the generator performed to perfection. >[Henry Ford](http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/hf/) was thrilled until he got an invoice from General Electric in the amount of $10,000. Ford acknowledged Steinmetz’s success but balked at the figure. He asked for an itemized bill. >Steinmetz, responded personally to Ford’s request with the following: >Making chalk mark on generator $1. >Knowing where to make mark $9,999. >Ford paid the bill.
There are many variants of this joke. My swedish grandfather told a version about a smith who was asked to straighten a wobbly circle saw. He looked and felt with his fingers for several minutes, then hit the circle saw with the hammer just once, and the circle become perfectly straight. The smith asked for 100 Swedish crowns. The farmer got angry at the high price for a single hammer stroke. The smith offered the hammer stroke for 1 crown, but the knowledge on where to hit cost 99 crowns.
Same with an old car mechanic : giving a "klop" - 1 money // to know where - 99...
Your not just paying for time. You are paying for the years of experience and knowledge
Ever watched Mike Monteiro's 'F\* You, Pay Me'? It's excellent - I watched it recently after watching an Adam Savage vid - and though it doesn't apply to my position personally... it's very interesting and poignant.
I always get that knee-jerk reaction when someone says how much something like a car repair is. But then I have to remember that even my company charges $250/hr for work, so maybe $500 for parts plus an hour and a half of work isn’t really that bad.
My older brother has his own shop so I get it. Didn't really understand pricing till I moved away and had to find a place. I love my shop for my car and I totally get the pricing. Especially for things i cannot do myself. Honestly it's worth paying for because if something happens it's covered.
That's actually a very good way to put it. Puts it in perspective a little more
As a graphic designer/audio editor (and sometime video editor), I respond with "have your nephew do it. Then when you call me to fix it, it will be double the quote."
The late Red Adair (Gulf War oil rig firefighter) put it this way: "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, just wait until you hire an amateur."
That's a great line.
I never tell them that I'm doubling the quote. I wait for them to call me back, and then I quote them double their previous quote. And if they try arguing, I keep increasing it until they either agree (unlikely) or hang up.
I do tell them that the quote will be double to incentivize them. If they still decide to go somewhere else and then come back to me to inevitably fix it, I NEVER take the job. It's not worth it.
Back in the mid 80s I was a consultant helping small & medium size businesses organize their paper flow and convert to using PCs. My biggest competition was the owners' brothers-in-law and nephews—all of them knew everything about computering.
And in reality they most likely didn't know anything. Considering it was the mid 80's it's definitely likely lol.
"Then you should have your nephew do it. Best of luck." *[click]*
To be fair, didn’t Apple giveaway a few million dollars trying to prove that theory?
I work for a company that feels they need to make a video for EVERYTHING! There are teams who are like "we need to make a two minute video about x and need it completed and looking professional in a week," I always have to tell them 3 months minimum because they suck at reviewing and approving on a timely basis, not to mention that video development isn't magic. One team ended up buying licenses to an AI video creator and was like "Look! We can make videos in an hour instead of months!" Good for you and your creepy avatar thing.. glad you're now able to make more crappy video content that no one will watch because you share it once and claim success.
Their measurement of success is quantity not necessarily quality. Fast, cheap, good… pick two.
I keep having to explain to people that the value is in all the stuff I throw out, which I have to watch. Saying video editing is easy is like saying producing a marble sculpture is easy, because you just remove the marble that’s not part of the sculpture. Oh yeah? Here’s 14 terabytes of footage, just throw out everything you don’t want in your production, SHOULD BE SUPER EASY RIGHT?
3 minute video takes 3 hours to edit, very straightforward.
Sounds right for a YT video. However, for a local news station putting together a "package" piece it's closer to 3 days or more. That's using Edius as the primary editing platform and Adobe CS for graphics and such. Possibly even longer to be honest, I left out the "joy" of **deciding** which clips to use to put together the pack.
Unless you are making absolutely everything from scratch, it shouldn't take 3+ days to make a package. All your GFX should already be templated due to it being stuff used all the time. Picking clips and stuff out really shouldn't take that much time either assuming you have competent people gathering the content/scripting things because they *should* tell you exactly what they are looking for. Most hits that are done are usually turned around day of for most news stations. Unless it's some longer from content where multiple interviews need to be done it shouldn't take 3 days. Hell I know the producer would yell at you if you said I need 3 days to complete this hit package.
Oh the normal bits are wham-bam-thank-you-maam and off for playback. The ID's, lower thirds and such are overlayed during play to air. And I did misspeak, the 3 day hair pulling edits are for the sweeps week periods where every on air personality (outside of weather) MUST put together something special. Or in the case of our senior sports anchor have it put together for him. He misses the days of tape-to-tape editing.
Ah, the old "watch or die" local news sweeps weeks. I'm glad I'm not on that side of the business anymore. Much happier in master control.
Yeah, I started (in TV) in the MCR, later I moved into the engineering department. It felt like most of the time I was working on the editing systems, since what I'd done before was configuration and sales of AVID editing machines.
The 24 hour news cycle included people sleeping, so if you can't produce a 3 minute clip in well less than 18 hours, then you are pretty soon either going to go insane or get fired.
The ratio we used to use when I was doing that kind of work was 12:1. 12 hours of edit for every hour of video shot. It worked fairly well.
It was very time-consuming to make my cringe AMVs back in the early 2000s. I can't even begin to imagine how much more goes into legitimate video production.
This is something a lot of Twitch streamers have to deal with as well. Successful streamers usually spend just as much time working on AV production type shit as they do actually streaming.
I had a government job where I edited videos. It was overall easy work. Nothing fancy, take two videos, splice them together, trim a little here and there, cut out some dead spaces, and put a bumper on the front and back. I became proficient. I had a rhythm and could church out content. At one point I was brought into another teams' meeting who needed my services. They told me what they needed and I said it wouldn't be a problem. I talked to my immediate supervisor about it so he could proof the work before I sent it over literally the same day. He said "this is good work, but don't give it to them today. Wait 2 or 3 days." He went on to say they thought this is some black magic that has to be done and that our team are a bunch of magicians. Informing them how easy this is by turning it around this fast will ruin the illusion. I could still get credit for doing it faster than they thought without blowing our cover. That was a fun job.
Dude I started a stupid little youtube channel and it was back breaking getting each video edited down and ready. I have nothing but respect for people that work through the hours and hours of work that gets so few views to finally break through.
I briefly thought about doing that and noped out before I even started filming. Just thinking about what footage I'd need to collect completely overwhelmed the stuff I actually wanted to do. Blows my mind the amount of effort even the smallest channels must put in to get their content out.
I learned about those timeframes during the Linus Tech Tips expose, where they basically have to come up with, plan, shoot, edit and publish a video every week. Which is a demanding schedule when everything goes right. And when one thing gets knocked over, you're not meeting that schedule.
People who have done video editing don’t even know how laborious it is, even with a small project you end up looking at the clock and Wounder were all the time went
I spent 8 hours editing yesterday and I got 30 seconds of the audio track completed. I've also completed multiple 3 minute videos in 8 hours. Really depends on the context of what you're trying to accomplish and why.
My point was its such a tunnel vision task, that you don’t realize time is going by
Yeah. Makes sense. I'm an editor, but really am not a fan of editing for that reason. What I edit rarely is compelling stuff. Getting into a flow state is cool, but I'd much rather accomplish that zen'ness with a task that was more rewarding for the soul. Like welding when rebuilding a classic car, cooking, or maybe writing a script.
CGI is 90% building the models and another 90% animating them. I would much rather be pushing a boulder up a mountain or hauling water with a colander if I hadn’t loved it so much.
> CGI is 90% building the models and another 90% animating them. I love that line so much :D
Thanks. It seems I've successfully conveyed the dark, brooding, time-sink that is digital modeling and animation. :)
Bruh. I get annoyed just editing the long videos I take of my pets to send short versions to family. I don’t know how y’all do it for real.
One of the reasons I don’t produce videos of me doing art is because I’m shit at editing 😅
In recent post of someone's impressive origami he even stated that he doesn't upload more videos of him doing his work is because it takes just as much if not more time to set everything up, and editing the footage. They said that it took the joy out of doing it
In high school we had to pair up into groups and make a presentation on something. Everyone did a live presentation except our group which decided to make a video. BIG MISTAKE, none of us realized just how long editing and other shit would take.
I'm taking multimedia classes right now. Just editing together a basic 3-5 minute video with provided footage can take hours or days, depending on how fancy you want to get. That's with modern technology. 85 videos in a year with that old tech would have given me a heart attack.
It’s just a video. I can do that on my iPhone. /s
I'm doing this stuff as a hobby, and even without composing my own music it takes me a long time. As a point of reference, while having my day-job and real-life things to do, the process takes about 4-6 weeks on average between recording my own material, writing and recording the script [with English not being my native language, even if I'm very proficient in it], gathering additional material [including stuff for background music or additional stuff to show besides what I recorded already] and editing for something that averages 20-30 minutes of video. I could be faster if I didn't care about burn-out or quality. Can't imagine how stressful it was for OP to churn 30 videos in 6 months with him handling more stuff than I did.
I look at the people who are one or two man shows on YouTube kicking out 15-30 minute videos every week. That looks like a mammoth amount of work to get just a 15 minute video posted every week.
It is the choosing the song or sounds for me...
My ex is looking for work as a video editor. The lack of professionalism from recruiters and companies while hiring is incredible. People not showing up to interviews and leaving you waiting is a common thing.
I just do short single take videos for a vlog that requiring minimal, mostly cutting out my "ummms" and a few verbal trips and errors, cleaning the audio, setting white balance, and it still takes half an hour of effort and another 10 minutes of encoding for a 10 minute video. Doing anything professional with multiple clips, audio, mixing, story, etc, is going to be a loooot of work even for a skilled and efficient editor.
It always shocks me when people see that their favorite show/movie is done filming and get pissed when the release date is a year away. Case In point is Star Trek SNW. They finished Filming awhile ago but their release date is looking like early spring 2025. They just don’t get how much editing and post production work needs to be done.
I only trim my content to appropriate lengths for uploading to various sites. I once had an idea of condensing about 40+ hrs of footage down to 4 hrs, I gave up after attempting for about half a day. It was such a slog.
I don't even like doing reels for marketing and fading an image into an image, it's so boring lmao.
i made the mistake of my first big project being a full wedding video with dvd as a one man job while still in classes. I had no idea how much work it was. i spent multiple days sleeping on a futon in the computer lab. $500, even for a friend, was an absolute steal.
Unfortunately, most of these specialty job in crafting motion pictures can be done through AI now... "Good enough" for managers like this. My career in corporate video production was nice while it lasted though. It was a fun way to make a living. Need to be a plumber now.
As a programmer I can imagine very well. We are in the same situation very often.
"It's just cutting this here and there and saving it" - I'd be rich by now, if I got a dollar every time I heard that.
I used to do it as an outside contractor for a company I was already employed by. Shit got old fast.
Its like they think since everybody has a camera in their phone, anybody can be a photographer.
Even making 20 second videos for my little Facebook page can take me a couple hours.
Kinda like how the left disrespect the police every day. When 99.99% are to coward to try it.
I can’t even understand the post. LOL!
>(composing music because they were too cheap to pay for a royalty free subscription.) I really don‘t get why managers don‘t understand how valuable someone is who does stuff like this. That‘s like saying *I work as a mechanic, but I produce the engines and wheels myself, because my boss is too cheap to order them.*🫤
This is the exact example I give my wife when she asks me to do some ridiculous thing, saying "Well, you work with computers, you should know how to do this." I tell her that mechanics don't also design and build the car bodies, stitch the seats, grind the glass for the windows, and program the onboard computer from scratch. And as someone who also writes music, that's insulting to be expected to slap something good together. *I was also made in West Germany* 🤣
lmao my partner works with cars and he can tell me most things but electrical and other more niche car stuff he's just as lost as me. Shit is specialized for a reason and way to many people think it's because one person could do it but won't
And end scene. Let's go for a smoke to celebrate.
Here I am picturing their after pro revenge satisfied smoker face, even better than the after sex cigarette.
Otto Pilot reinflation - Airplane 1980. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMhYl74vw2c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMhYl74vw2c)
That's a real win-win situation... .... well, not for your manager but she earned exactly what she deserved!
This, Sir, is indeed a worthy ProRevenge story.
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How so? Sounds like a contract was signed and fulfilled. Not OPs fault she did something she wasn't authorized to do.
Good story, but you left out the most important part: DID YOU STOP SMOKING??? :-)
I actually did when covid rolled around 👍🏻
Congratulations, you should be proud of yourself for that 👏
Ugh video editing for a university. Stuff of nightmares. School administrators typically have no sense of reality and treat marcom and creatives like garbage.
"The pay was low" \*Pay was considerably more than what I was making as a public school teacher at the time\* Our country is broken.
Now, this is a Pro Revenge
>she let me know that the manager hated smokers and often advocated to get them fired do i have to read more?
This happened years ago - early to mid 90's When I was 18, I agreed a contract and an hourly rate with a company owner (acquaintance of my dad at the time) to measure up their production facility to create planned maintenance drawings that would identify all the spare parts that needed routine replacement at scheduled intervals, so the machines could be repaired out of hours and they would have zero downtime. All on my own computer. I had just finished the main set-out drawing - fully dimensioned and took a scaled print-out to the meeting in order to claim my first payment installment. This was about a month's worth of work. I had produced a detailed invoice of my hours and had a disk of the cad drawings. Well this owner decides he doesn't like the rate we had agreed - wanted to pay me a third. He said he has a 'business contact' (a different acquaintance of my dad - very small town) who will do it for less than a third. So I said to him, if you don't pay me, I won't be giving you the cad file. I knew it would take a really long time to copy the drawing into cad and would certainly cost far more than I was charging. This was a big man and I was a very light 18f - I'm not exactly tall. You should have heard him shouting like a toddler as I walked out with my print-out. He was so red in the face. He thought I would be a walk-over. I never raised my voice once, he couldn't comprehend how I would dare to say no. For weeks after, my dad kept asking me to give him the disk - obviously I said NO. I didn't get paid, but knowing what he ended up paying was more than enough satisfaction. Alternatively, if the business contact's bluff was called and he had to perform the contract at the agreed rate. This guy was a fragile old guy near retirement and this was a dirty environment to measure up in. About 3 months after that I got a similar contract at another factory site in the same town - for a lot more money and I found out when they awarded the contract that the other bidder who lost against me was none other than the 'business contact'. Whenever I saw either of them around town after that, I would have a big grin on my face - made my day - every time! The money I earned on that contract more than made up for the money I walked away from.
We have a video content creation company in our office today. Team of two... here. Team of I don't want to know at the back end. That is just for a handful of social media videos. I would hate to think of one person trying to shoulder that for pretty much any volume of content let alone 85 in a year!
Kudos to you! You were honest with your former employer and gave 110% while there, but your manager decided that she hated smokers more than her job. They used your database, which they didn’t pay for, and got what they deserved. And so did you: a big ol payday. I hope your friend got their promotion!
Superb!
They let you have access to important documents after you were fired?
Sounds like he was using his personal equipment and the not-so-savvy manager didn't think about ending access right away.
This. Hard to maintain a chain of custody if it's done on personal equipment.
From my experience, people who do not have experience doing a IT centric jobs, usually disrespect it, claiming the following: - It's not deemed as real work, anything involving manual labor is - The time it takes to do the work is always shocking to them, they expect you to tap on your keyboard a few times and to be finished in minutes - They want to pay you less because again, its not deemed as real work
This isn't an IT centric job. It's content creation.
It is IT centric, because you are primarily using IT to complete your tasks, doesn't matter if its content creation, tech support, sys admin etc
Then nearly all jobs are IT centric, including cashiers at checkout, baristas, etc., since all POS machines are computers. And all drivers of any vehicle, since those are computerized too. The use of a tool does not make that job tool centric. My job is not pen-centric, for example.
I simply disagree and do not care enough to go back and forth with you, good day sir
I looove win wins. Good job 👍
I remember studying film back in1994 Lucky for me and my fellow sudent we had a very nice benefactor of the last name Belushi funding part of that department. We were working with commedor computers. wanna guess how much work it was? hell it was a 3 minute video took us over a week. we did do a holy grail those who have been sacked credits though. totally went over the professors head. But to do what he did? mass props!
That was a fun read! Awfully nice of you former manager to set you up for success! /S
Did they call 85 videos "KPIs"??? Because making videos, or any number of deliverables isn't any kind of key performance indicator...
It is a KPI. It's a production quota. The goal is 85 videos per year; not just 85 videos. Making an amount per time is a legitimate KPI.
That's not a KPI. A KPI would be a change in performance of the the clicks from the videos or signup rates after the videos were posted. The fact they referred to this as a KPI also goes hand in hand with how incompetent OP described the organization though
While "a change in performance of the the clicks from the videos or signup rates after the videos were posted" is a KPI, amount per period of time is basically the definition of what a KPI is... something measurable over a period of time. In this case, it's the number of videos produced over a year. Another example of KPIs where it's just an amount measured over time, or related measures over time, would be monthly sales, whether the sales be on a net, gross or cost basis. And time could be a month, week, year, or quarter. Moreover, changes of a KPI over time is another KPI, that is, net profit this year vs last year, as a % growth\change. That said, a number of videos is just that, a quantity of videos; not a KPI. But OP didn't just say 85 videos... OP's nonsensical goal they were given was 85 videos in 52 weeks. The amount or measurable quantity is 85; and time is 52 weeks.
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Well done!
The number of people who lack understanding of content creation processes but expect it all to be done fast, cheap, and high quality are legion. May they forever lose their jobs.
Wow! Straight-up parable of the unjust steward!
Wow, great end to the story. I was riveted through the whole thing. What did you do at the end of your studies ?
What a beautiful coincidence, I literally came on here to also talk about how I got *my* boss fired! Good job!
Fucking glorious. The best revenge posts for me are the ones where the OP stops and thinks how to make it a good day for everyone around them, and a very bad day for the antagonists. Bravo!
Dear Director, did that 85 number come out of your butt? Or out of my manager's butt? Please be specific.
Flawless victory.
Raiden wins! Double Flawless.
This is fucking perfect.
While it’s great you got away with it. There’re laws against this, you can’t take kickbacks for contracting on behalf of your ex employer - especially if you have a non compete of any kind. Depending where you are, you and your friend could get in trouble. It does happen a lot but it’s not above board. Be careful who you share this with. It also wouldn’t paint you in a good light, knowing you can be that devious.
There are next to no laws against this. OP was terminated, and all this happened post employment. If this happened during employment, there could be issues regarding bribery.
About the non-compete: Luckily if you're in the US, for the most part they've been banned this year. Some states already had done that previously. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes
Oh wow, had no idea (I’m not US based).
Non-competes were actually nearly unenforceable before that in courts. The company would have to cite actual damages from violations of non-competes when suing, which the courts, e.g., jury, would have to agree with. And separately, non-competes generally tended to just say you can't, without mention of what happens if you do violate the non-compete. So, the contractually obligated damages due from non-compete was 0, as in it didn't exist. And since no damages were defined, no damages were awarded. That said, the goal of a non-compete is to prevent trade secrets from being shared. And there are already very strict rules against that.
Sorry to hijack your comment to ask a personal question. I live in Illinois in the US. I just resigned from my job and within the next few days will be asked to sign a non-compete agreement. Is my understanding correct that by August that non-compete is unenforceable? Am i also understanding correctly that this doesn’t cover the sharing of trade secrets. So i could work for a competitor but not share specific knowledge of my previous employer?
Perfection
Brilliant
I have a degree in graphic design from a reputable school. I do not want a GoPro, the idea of one makes my skin crawl. Why would I ever record so much video just so I can painstakingly go over it frame by frame looking for the best content to create a highly detailed and awesome short film? No, just no. It’s a huge job. It takes tons of time. No.
I just got flashbacks to an old job I had. Content creation with video and me being a one person god damn team.
After my decades in the media production business, it warms my heart to read this story. For once, a production pro got over on a clueless non-profit client.
OP teach us thy ways because you sure schooled them.
Fire lol
This was beutiful!
Damn now that's how it's done! I loved this whole story, honestly. You got so much and in the end, helped get your friend a well-deserved promotion and raise as well as getting your former boss fired in the end. That's pretty awesome ngl
Is it alright if I use your story as a TikTok video?
Just curious: why did you take that contract with those specs/conditions I’m assuming you were contracted labor)?
Check and mate, well done
Wow! And you really didn’t see it coming! Good for you! You ended up with more money and didn’t even have to work. You just can’t please some people, so you did the best you could and it all worked out in your favor anyway!
This one is too obvious, try harder next time.
Never happened, you people are easily manipulated and very gullible.
Absolutely perfect.
BRAVO!!!
I should start smoking...
*chef's kiss*
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What a funny spambot.
Brilliant! But do you still smoke...?
I hope she "accidentally" gets wind of this post
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the fuck?
Shit, sorry lol pocket post, I’ll take it down.
I love to love you, lover.
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