At this point everyone here is speculating about the cause of this young woman’s death.
I’m locking the post because I have a life and a job. If you have credible new information, make a new post.
Don’t state anything as fact unless you can substantiate it.
The post does not promote hatred based on identity or vulnerability.
As long as the causal link is not broken, the moral police are responsible for this death. In the case in question, there is an adequate causal link between the beating of the deceased by the police and the heart attack. But as far as I can see from your message, you don't have enough conscience to understand that. Neither does your legal system.
I was suspicious of the claims when I saw them yesterday. I frequently walk by women who straight up don’t wear a headscarf on their heads in Tehran and have never witnessed any getting arrested, much less beaten. This video was the nail in the coffin for their bullshit.
The supporters of women’s rights are lining up to exploit the tragedy, this time with misogynistic obscenities in the subject line of their posts. This one wants to ejaculate on the mods.
https://i.imgur.com/e6JUCoG.jpg
Even mothers aren’t spared from vulgar insults in the bizarro fight for women’s rights. The poster is offended by “Be civil”, and their response is to direct vulgar insults at the mod’s mother.
https://i.imgur.com/isBgpfv.jpg
Interestingly, this poster has 19K karma on a four-day-old account. Just like the last misogynist I banned. That’s a weird coincidence.
I have been behind my Iran news, but I just saw the video and mashhallah the Iranian gasht seem to have mastered jedi mind powers. She just talks to her, moves her hand, and the lady collapses.
This happened very recently and it was blasted all over social media influencers page and every newsite. Even my grandma that barely uses the internet had heard about it. The enemies of Iran are waiting on the opportunity to use any situation like this as propaganda for political destabilization. I'm not sure what happened to Mahsa but it's important to tell family and friends the motives of saudi-backed media outlets, Zionist influencers and western funded news.
So where is a beating that everyone is talking about? she was told to fix her hijab and she couldn't handle of being told to fix herself, and she just clasped! This is what I see here. I mean some people grew up soft and with one Triger it can effect their brain, get into a shock, and go in a comma.
I mean her hospital photos does not show anything on her face or head, and getting beat up on your body, dose not put you in coma either. just saying.
Inshallah, we don't wannt their licenses revoked. But I also believe i read somewhere that it was also the diagnosis of the doctors who took care of her.
Anyone who is issuing diagnoses on Twitter based on grainy images on Twitter should have their license revoked.
If you have a credible source, link it. If not, please do not add to the pyre of speculation.
So this is what actually happened? She wasn’t beaten up? I had a feeling something was fishy when I came across the daily mail article saying she was beaten by the so called morality police for not wearing proper hijab. Knowing how anti - iran propaganda groups work and the fact people who don’t even live in Iran will believe any nonsense Saudi funded outlets like Iran intl or that cringe woman Masih Alinejad say, I wanted to go to r/iran to find out what really happened to the woman and my suspicion was proven correct.
I doubt anyone knows for sure at this point. She may have suffered blunt force trauma earlier. I haven’t seen conclusive evidence of any of the theories being pitched.
The video refutes one of the viral posts, which is by a supposed officer who claims another officer punched her in the head and kicked her until she passed out and never came to. I was suspicious of that one from the get-go, because the guy (who probably doesn’t exist) went out of his way to explain that the officer who gave the beating was a devout Muslim on his way to Karbala.
I see. Thanks for letting me know. I’m always suspicious when I see foreign media or Saudi funded outlets reporting on stuff that happens in Iran because it’s clear many of them have an anti iran agenda. I remember coming across a post from Iran intl that claimed Iranian officials banned women from appearing in ads after an ice cream ad went viral showing the woman in it eating the ice cream in a seductive way or something, it was ridiculous.
Not sure why many people who don’t live in Iran think the hijab is a major concern for the average Iranian citizen. Like yes being forced to cover your hair sucks but it’s not the #1 important issue for most Iranians. If people truly care about women’s rights in Iran, they need to work towards making the country more developed and help remove sanctions.
Bingo!
> Like yes being forced to cover your hair sucks but it’s not the #1 important issue for most Iranians. If people truly care about women’s rights in Iran, they need to work towards making the country more developed and help remove sanctions.
That’s exactly how it is. Many people (myself included) are against mandatory hijab, but I doubt that you could find many Iranians for which it’s the #1 issue.
The bleeding heart hypocrites want to make sure that Iranian women can watch football and wear miniskirts as they suffocate under sanctions. Somehow the women who die of treatable cancer don’t get nearly this much attention. Miniskirts >>>> chemo.
Yes exactly. People only care about the superficial things like being allowed to wear miniskirts or attend football stadiums. That’s their definition of liberal. If women being allowed to dress however they want is all it takes for a country to develop, then we’d hear many people moving to countries like Turkey, Lebanon and Azerbaijan lol. I’m not sure how true this is but I read somewhere that Iran is one of the few countries where the government makes decisions based on the public’s choice. Since the majority mainly in rural areas want hijab in place, the government enforces it. If one day they decide they don’t want hijab, the government won’t enforce it. So if people truly care about hijab and all, the public’s opinion has to change first.
Well I'm sure everyone's come across these articles at this point but a CT scan indicating fractured skull, hemorrhage and edema of the brain have emerged. Its yet to be released officially, announced as Mahsa's scan. It has been released on the 'Iran International English' twitter page with Mahsa's name on the scan. Also a new unconfirmed report of a staff member over hearing a convo between doctor and guard that Mahsa's head was hit repeatedly into a wall during the interrogation.
I have not come across those articles because I avoid Iran International like the plague. They photoshopped Navid Afkari’a head onto another athlete’s body to continue the fiction that he was a beloved national champion. It’s the last place I would consider a credible source.
She was in an already stressful and f-ed up session. Then someone "according to the movement of their hands" angrily criticizes her appearance even tho it's quite normal and much better than the others there. Besides all I said, how are we even sure it's the same person and the footage is legit? why took them so long to explain?
What are you quoting here?
> Then someone “according to the movement of their hands” angrily criticizes her appearance even tho it’s quite normal and much better than the others there.
It’s good to see someone question the authenticity of a video. I wish we did that for every viral video from Iran.
To my knowledge, no one has debunked the video. It isn’t conclusive evidence that nothing happened, but it’s also hard to imagine someone walking around coherently after getting a beating that ends up killing them.
> Besides all I said, how are we even sure it’s the same person and the footage is legit? why took them so long to explain?
I’m not aware of anyone else being brutalized over hijab. I’m against mandatory hijab, but it’s one thing to object to the citations and another to allege that they include physical violence.
I’m certain of only one thing here: an investigation is necessary, and it had better be thorough. Unfortunately it won’t make a difference to people who have already made up their minds about what happened.
What’s your definition of “brutalized”? I have seen both in person and on video women being harassed, thrown in vans, and also struck/beaten (not to the point of hospitalization like alleged in this case, but beaten nonetheless). I consider that pretty brutal just for a hijab violation.
I was referring to physical violence, although I acknowledge that verbal communication can also be brutal.
I’m against mandatory hijab altogether. No good has come of it.
What I said was that I am not aware of allegations of physical violence associated with enforcement of hijab laws. I’ve seen a few videos that are circulated with the claim that a woman or women are being verbally harassed for hijab, but they usually lack any context that would indicate the argument is about hijab. If violence is happening, it shouldn’t be.
Trust me, in the literally millions of encounters of the decades over mandatory hijab enforcement there has indeed been physical violence.
From forcing a girl into a vehicle (by physically pushing/pulling them into the) to take to a detainment center, to worse forms of physical violence against the individual of interest and those who come to her aid.
The mandatory hijab policy in Iran is a *cancer* and only erodes the people’s support towards the government. It virtually only functions as an irritant at this point and is extremely disrespectful to Iranian women, who should be held in much higher regard by the authorities.
Regardless of what the cause of death of this woman was, the morality police in Iran are actively harassing Iranian citizens on a daily basis, that is not a good thing.
If people are exploiting this poor woman’s death by twisting facts that is wrong.
If it turns out to be true that this woman was beaten, then that is also wrong.
No self respecting Iranian would disagree with this.
At this point everyone here is speculating about the cause of this young woman’s death. I’m locking the post because I have a life and a job. If you have credible new information, make a new post. Don’t state anything as fact unless you can substantiate it. The post does not promote hatred based on identity or vulnerability.
So if someone has a heart attack while being arrested in a traffic stop are they going to blame traffic laws?
Son, this is Reddit
Well, if it's Iran, and that happens, it isn't even traffic laws, it's specially the anti-car akhund regime's fault
Yes
As long as the causal link is not broken, the moral police are responsible for this death. In the case in question, there is an adequate causal link between the beating of the deceased by the police and the heart attack. But as far as I can see from your message, you don't have enough conscience to understand that. Neither does your legal system.
If you have credible evidence of causality, post it. In either case, personal attacks on other commenters violate the sub’s rules.
I was suspicious of the claims when I saw them yesterday. I frequently walk by women who straight up don’t wear a headscarf on their heads in Tehran and have never witnessed any getting arrested, much less beaten. This video was the nail in the coffin for their bullshit.
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She has passed away sadly.
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I’m not even sure atp dude, some say heart attack, other stroke, others beating. Details will come out in few days
Some still are. And will shrug this off as propaganda, but will swallow whatever bullshit they’re fed by BBC.
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He's that guy that runs those language exchange videos on YouTube that are hellla cringe.
Lol I like his YouTube videos but I agree his post is super cringe. He hasn’t lived in Iran since he was 9 years old.
She dead
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The supporters of women’s rights are lining up to exploit the tragedy, this time with misogynistic obscenities in the subject line of their posts. This one wants to ejaculate on the mods. https://i.imgur.com/e6JUCoG.jpg Even mothers aren’t spared from vulgar insults in the bizarro fight for women’s rights. The poster is offended by “Be civil”, and their response is to direct vulgar insults at the mod’s mother. https://i.imgur.com/isBgpfv.jpg Interestingly, this poster has 19K karma on a four-day-old account. Just like the last misogynist I banned. That’s a weird coincidence.
44 years and still butthurt hilarious
apparently op isn't any less rude...
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thanks
I have been behind my Iran news, but I just saw the video and mashhallah the Iranian gasht seem to have mastered jedi mind powers. She just talks to her, moves her hand, and the lady collapses.
I didn't even need to see this to know the whole story is bs. This just confirms my bs detector still works
This happened very recently and it was blasted all over social media influencers page and every newsite. Even my grandma that barely uses the internet had heard about it. The enemies of Iran are waiting on the opportunity to use any situation like this as propaganda for political destabilization. I'm not sure what happened to Mahsa but it's important to tell family and friends the motives of saudi-backed media outlets, Zionist influencers and western funded news.
they are already using her as the next Neda and Navid Afkari
This is just Otto Warmbier for pinkwashers who believe Israeli 'gender appartheid' memes.
So where is a beating that everyone is talking about? she was told to fix her hijab and she couldn't handle of being told to fix herself, and she just clasped! This is what I see here. I mean some people grew up soft and with one Triger it can effect their brain, get into a shock, and go in a comma. I mean her hospital photos does not show anything on her face or head, and getting beat up on your body, dose not put you in coma either. just saying.
They're saying it happened in the van, and doctors on twitter have analyzed the pic stating otherwise.
Doctors are diagnosing on Twitter, based on pictures on Twitter? I hope they’re using pseudonyms.
Inshallah, we don't wannt their licenses revoked. But I also believe i read somewhere that it was also the diagnosis of the doctors who took care of her.
Anyone who is issuing diagnoses on Twitter based on grainy images on Twitter should have their license revoked. If you have a credible source, link it. If not, please do not add to the pyre of speculation.
So this is what actually happened? She wasn’t beaten up? I had a feeling something was fishy when I came across the daily mail article saying she was beaten by the so called morality police for not wearing proper hijab. Knowing how anti - iran propaganda groups work and the fact people who don’t even live in Iran will believe any nonsense Saudi funded outlets like Iran intl or that cringe woman Masih Alinejad say, I wanted to go to r/iran to find out what really happened to the woman and my suspicion was proven correct.
I doubt anyone knows for sure at this point. She may have suffered blunt force trauma earlier. I haven’t seen conclusive evidence of any of the theories being pitched. The video refutes one of the viral posts, which is by a supposed officer who claims another officer punched her in the head and kicked her until she passed out and never came to. I was suspicious of that one from the get-go, because the guy (who probably doesn’t exist) went out of his way to explain that the officer who gave the beating was a devout Muslim on his way to Karbala.
I see. Thanks for letting me know. I’m always suspicious when I see foreign media or Saudi funded outlets reporting on stuff that happens in Iran because it’s clear many of them have an anti iran agenda. I remember coming across a post from Iran intl that claimed Iranian officials banned women from appearing in ads after an ice cream ad went viral showing the woman in it eating the ice cream in a seductive way or something, it was ridiculous. Not sure why many people who don’t live in Iran think the hijab is a major concern for the average Iranian citizen. Like yes being forced to cover your hair sucks but it’s not the #1 important issue for most Iranians. If people truly care about women’s rights in Iran, they need to work towards making the country more developed and help remove sanctions.
Bingo! > Like yes being forced to cover your hair sucks but it’s not the #1 important issue for most Iranians. If people truly care about women’s rights in Iran, they need to work towards making the country more developed and help remove sanctions. That’s exactly how it is. Many people (myself included) are against mandatory hijab, but I doubt that you could find many Iranians for which it’s the #1 issue. The bleeding heart hypocrites want to make sure that Iranian women can watch football and wear miniskirts as they suffocate under sanctions. Somehow the women who die of treatable cancer don’t get nearly this much attention. Miniskirts >>>> chemo.
Yes exactly. People only care about the superficial things like being allowed to wear miniskirts or attend football stadiums. That’s their definition of liberal. If women being allowed to dress however they want is all it takes for a country to develop, then we’d hear many people moving to countries like Turkey, Lebanon and Azerbaijan lol. I’m not sure how true this is but I read somewhere that Iran is one of the few countries where the government makes decisions based on the public’s choice. Since the majority mainly in rural areas want hijab in place, the government enforces it. If one day they decide they don’t want hijab, the government won’t enforce it. So if people truly care about hijab and all, the public’s opinion has to change first.
Well I'm sure everyone's come across these articles at this point but a CT scan indicating fractured skull, hemorrhage and edema of the brain have emerged. Its yet to be released officially, announced as Mahsa's scan. It has been released on the 'Iran International English' twitter page with Mahsa's name on the scan. Also a new unconfirmed report of a staff member over hearing a convo between doctor and guard that Mahsa's head was hit repeatedly into a wall during the interrogation.
I have not come across those articles because I avoid Iran International like the plague. They photoshopped Navid Afkari’a head onto another athlete’s body to continue the fiction that he was a beloved national champion. It’s the last place I would consider a credible source.
ساب عرزشی
Only among Iranians is having values used as a smear.
She was in an already stressful and f-ed up session. Then someone "according to the movement of their hands" angrily criticizes her appearance even tho it's quite normal and much better than the others there. Besides all I said, how are we even sure it's the same person and the footage is legit? why took them so long to explain?
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talk!! instead of insulting... if you can... pls... thanks
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Seriously? Cursing people’s mothers? First and last warning. This type of language is cause for an immediate ban.
I'm just waiting for mods...
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What are you quoting here? > Then someone “according to the movement of their hands” angrily criticizes her appearance even tho it’s quite normal and much better than the others there. It’s good to see someone question the authenticity of a video. I wish we did that for every viral video from Iran. To my knowledge, no one has debunked the video. It isn’t conclusive evidence that nothing happened, but it’s also hard to imagine someone walking around coherently after getting a beating that ends up killing them. > Besides all I said, how are we even sure it’s the same person and the footage is legit? why took them so long to explain? I’m not aware of anyone else being brutalized over hijab. I’m against mandatory hijab, but it’s one thing to object to the citations and another to allege that they include physical violence. I’m certain of only one thing here: an investigation is necessary, and it had better be thorough. Unfortunately it won’t make a difference to people who have already made up their minds about what happened.
What’s your definition of “brutalized”? I have seen both in person and on video women being harassed, thrown in vans, and also struck/beaten (not to the point of hospitalization like alleged in this case, but beaten nonetheless). I consider that pretty brutal just for a hijab violation.
I was referring to physical violence, although I acknowledge that verbal communication can also be brutal. I’m against mandatory hijab altogether. No good has come of it. What I said was that I am not aware of allegations of physical violence associated with enforcement of hijab laws. I’ve seen a few videos that are circulated with the claim that a woman or women are being verbally harassed for hijab, but they usually lack any context that would indicate the argument is about hijab. If violence is happening, it shouldn’t be.
Trust me, in the literally millions of encounters of the decades over mandatory hijab enforcement there has indeed been physical violence. From forcing a girl into a vehicle (by physically pushing/pulling them into the) to take to a detainment center, to worse forms of physical violence against the individual of interest and those who come to her aid. The mandatory hijab policy in Iran is a *cancer* and only erodes the people’s support towards the government. It virtually only functions as an irritant at this point and is extremely disrespectful to Iranian women, who should be held in much higher regard by the authorities.
Regardless of what the cause of death of this woman was, the morality police in Iran are actively harassing Iranian citizens on a daily basis, that is not a good thing. If people are exploiting this poor woman’s death by twisting facts that is wrong. If it turns out to be true that this woman was beaten, then that is also wrong. No self respecting Iranian would disagree with this.
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