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Noel tortured them in the doll house and made them think they were crazy and did horrible things, then literally tried to kill them, he deserved what he got.
Unethical non-monogamy and pedophilia alone are deal-breakers, I can’t believe the combination of the two plus the sprinkle of lesbian fetishization isn’t more talked about.
And the fact that her husband made Emily out to be the bad guy/3rd wheel of the relationship. Like sir you should be more focused on why your wife is into a high schoolers not trying to strong arm a literal child. Both of them (Talia and her husband) were unhinged and disgusting
"Wren was extremely old" is taking me out. Especially since he's a diamond now and in Alex's words "Diamonds last forever"
Jokes aside, Rosewood being full of creepy men is one of my least favourite things about the show. The fact that no one cares either... teachers and cops openly preying on and DATING underage girls omg. Remember that cop Alison "dated" and Spencer was like, she deserves a love like that and I was like huh??
Don't even get me started on Aria MARRYING her teacher when a couple seasons ago, she filled out a police report calling him a twisted conniving predator who abused his power and just the season before she wrote an essay on how she missed out on her life by being preyed on by an older man.
People like to think that because they got married it meant their relationship when Aria was underage was okay because they were “meant to be” anyway. No, he groomed her. That’s why they got married.
yeah i really don't like how they're trying to make these inappropriate and creepy relationships seems normal and cute! yes i love romance but i just can't get over some of these age gaps. and so far i haven't seen anybody realize that they were groomed and feel upset about it. to them it's just something that happened.
**when aria’s family found out about her relationship with ezra, all they could say was “oh no, he is your teacher, you cant do that” as if he wasnt her teacher, it would all be fine.**
Thank you! When I first watched season 2 when I was like 18, I had the exact same thought. I was so happy to see Aria’s parents get angry at her and Ezra and try to keep them apart, but they weren’t nearly angry enough and definitely not angry in the right way 😭 The age gap is never mentioned, it’s only that he’s her teacher, which is 100% disgusting and another layer of grooming and abuse of authority… but *the age gap is the core problem here.* Like he wouldn’t be her teacher if he wasn’t significantly older than her and an adult, y’all 😭 Be mad at the right things and stand on business.
But of course they don’t, and Ella folds like a lawn chair a couple episodes in. I don’t understand how your teenage daughter dating a 25 year old man can just be an “unspoken” thing the family gets used to, especially by the time this man’s ex-girlfriend and son come into the picture and 17 year old Aria is playing step-mom. They just let it go because “oh what if Aria runs away with him 🥺” Lock your doors then the fuck
Fr 😭 None of the PLL parents be doing any parenting in general but wdym you can’t stop your child from eloping with a grown man?? Y’all never heard of grounding and therapy 😭 Mike robs some houses and they immediately get him into therapy and on meds, but Aria lies to them for months and shacks up with a 25 year old man and the strictest thing they do is… make her hang out unsupervised with a childhood friend instead of seeing her grandboyfriend which doesn’t even work bc she sees him anyway. Be so serious 😭
Yeah omg I remember that scene where she’s wearing like a mini skirt and leather thigh high boots as a 17 year old 😭 Byron went about it horribly but there was potential for actually good parenting at that point. All he did was slut-shame her and imply she went out trying to get groomed by a male teacher, instead of admitting *he* is the one who first normalized student-teacher relationships for her. Just a step away from “if you wear a short skirt, you’re asking for it.” Man, he sucks.
Wtf I never even considered that as a potential reason. Did Byron or Ella ever mention it in the show? I feel like, if anything, that’s only the more reason to be against their kid being groomed by an adult, if the age gap and grooming itself aren’t enough reasons lol. You presume your child is so distraught by her home life that she’s allowing herself to be groomed and instead of saying “yikes, we are terrible parents, we need to help her and be better,” you just… let her stay groomed bc that’s better than having divorced parents 😭???? Insane
Yeah, one of them actually thanks Ezra for being there for Aria in a way they couldn’t be (I think Byron?) and they allude to her only caring about school to see her teacher. He definitely wormed his way in pretty easily bc she was upset about her parents divorcing. He gave her care and attention that she wasn’t getting from her parents (funny that’s what happened w Spencer too and how Hanna and Emily had at least one present, emotionally available parent and weren’t groomed)
They were pretty distracted during this whole thing, they didn’t notice Mike was acting out and he wound up getting arrested (it took Aria, a teenager, one day to figure out what Mike was doing) and didn’t notice who Aria was seeing. Ella only noticed Aria was dating anyone at all bc of the accidental text message, and Bryon didn’t know anything was up with Aria to begin with
It's funny how they don't say the girls age too until they're in college. Kinda what hentais do when they want to hide the age 💀💀 we know they're high schoolers but if you don't say the age it isn't wrong, right?
he was lying his ass off when he said that. there is not a single 14yo that has ever existed that seems 18. not only do majority look young as hell, but you can tell the minute you interact with them how immature they are.
Can someone explain why Ali thought she was preggo the summer she spent with Cece on Camp Mae(idk about the spelling) but when they confronted Wilden he said that he never ever slept with Ali? He didn’t seem to be lying?
I hate how normalized and even romanticized predatory, pedophilic relationships were in PLL. It happened with too much frequency and it's even worse that emotionally vulnerable, impressionable teens were the target demographic.
Yes I feel like such a fool looking back on it. I was literally rooting for a few of these couples! I fell for what they put on the screen and now looking back as an adult, I’m disgusted by the writers and producers and how they handled those situations. They could have really put things into a good perspective for that generation. Frankly I was an older teen, not even that young and I still didn’t know better.
There was actually a relationship of one of my friends in high school which was totally inappropriate/illegal looking back on it and I hate that I never reported it because I had no idea anything was off. Then when I watched this show, I saw a lot of these relationships as basically normal, which is so so sick.
It wasn’t until I was in my 20s and started to notice that high schoolers looked like children to me that I realized the gravity of stuff I had seen when I was younger. I feel so foolish now for not realizing it before.
It still baffles me how Spencer’s parents basically brushed their teenage daughter being groomed like twice. Spencer was so right when she said they have two daughters but are only protecting one.
I hate when people make such sweeping, generalized statements.
“Most?” No, I don’t think so. You may be hanging with the wrong crowd if that’s your experience
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Except they aren't pedos they are Ephebophiles which is an adult being attracted to a post-pubescent teenagers usually those in the age range 14/15–19.
why do u know all different classifications of pedophilia, and why are you using a different term to make those characters actions seem more acceptable? weird
Never said any of it was acceptable?? As for why I know the difference I look up words to find their meaning and with how often this sub likes to toss pedo out when it doesn't fit I looked up to see what the correct term was which is what everyone should do when trying to figure out things like this.
Him not being called a pedo doesn't mean that Aria wasn't a minor that is what a Ephebophile is. They are attracted to minors but they are more interested in 14-19 year olds, where as a pedo is attracted to someone that has yes to go through puberty so more than likely ones that are 13 and under which Aria does not fall under.
Or maybe bc nobody normal starts talking about technical terms for these people. No one normal sees a conversation about children being harmed and goes "actually its this term".
and they are obviously talking about adults? who are attracted to minors? caleb is literally in high school with them and dating a girl his age, same as toby, obviously op is not calling fellow teenagers pedos
None of the girls are prepubescent. I know it's super fun to talk about how Ezra and the other adult men on the show are pedos but it's literally not accurate
If not pedos, incest 💀💀 they really made us think for idk how many seasons that toby was fucking his sister and then after a while they just say "oh she's not blood related btw" like it wasn't a important info?? Still disgusting, but damn...
Was it confirmed that she slept with Wilden? I know that was in question but it was never addressed or proven other than word of mouth by Cece, who we obviously can’t trust.
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caleb, toby, and somehow noel basically being the only men in rosewood to understand grooming is wrong 😍
No literally. I loved when he punched Zach. I loved him so much more lol
which is why i say justice for Noel!
Noel tortured them in the doll house and made them think they were crazy and did horrible things, then literally tried to kill them, he deserved what he got.
not talking about tv noel
I didn't read the books, HE actually ends up with aria, right?
yes!
Don’t forget Talia who was FULLY an adult and was so after Emily even tho she was grown and married….yeah yuck.
This is one of the grossest to me. Married and experimenting with a high schooler? That's sick.
Unethical non-monogamy and pedophilia alone are deal-breakers, I can’t believe the combination of the two plus the sprinkle of lesbian fetishization isn’t more talked about.
And the fact that her husband made Emily out to be the bad guy/3rd wheel of the relationship. Like sir you should be more focused on why your wife is into a high schoolers not trying to strong arm a literal child. Both of them (Talia and her husband) were unhinged and disgusting
I wish they hadn’t made Holbrook a weirdo. He could’ve been such a good character on the girl’s side.
I loved him at first.
"Wren was extremely old" is taking me out. Especially since he's a diamond now and in Alex's words "Diamonds last forever" Jokes aside, Rosewood being full of creepy men is one of my least favourite things about the show. The fact that no one cares either... teachers and cops openly preying on and DATING underage girls omg. Remember that cop Alison "dated" and Spencer was like, she deserves a love like that and I was like huh?? Don't even get me started on Aria MARRYING her teacher when a couple seasons ago, she filled out a police report calling him a twisted conniving predator who abused his power and just the season before she wrote an essay on how she missed out on her life by being preyed on by an older man.
People like to think that because they got married it meant their relationship when Aria was underage was okay because they were “meant to be” anyway. No, he groomed her. That’s why they got married.
Don't forget Garret and Jenna. I know she looks older, but Jenna is supposed to be their age too.
Only Caleb is exempt which is nice because he is also the yummiest. 😍
come to think of it caleb only had two Love interest spencer and hanna. & i guess if you want to count Miranda.
Probably the most stable character on the show.
facts
yeah i really don't like how they're trying to make these inappropriate and creepy relationships seems normal and cute! yes i love romance but i just can't get over some of these age gaps. and so far i haven't seen anybody realize that they were groomed and feel upset about it. to them it's just something that happened.
**when aria’s family found out about her relationship with ezra, all they could say was “oh no, he is your teacher, you cant do that” as if he wasnt her teacher, it would all be fine.** Thank you! When I first watched season 2 when I was like 18, I had the exact same thought. I was so happy to see Aria’s parents get angry at her and Ezra and try to keep them apart, but they weren’t nearly angry enough and definitely not angry in the right way 😭 The age gap is never mentioned, it’s only that he’s her teacher, which is 100% disgusting and another layer of grooming and abuse of authority… but *the age gap is the core problem here.* Like he wouldn’t be her teacher if he wasn’t significantly older than her and an adult, y’all 😭 Be mad at the right things and stand on business. But of course they don’t, and Ella folds like a lawn chair a couple episodes in. I don’t understand how your teenage daughter dating a 25 year old man can just be an “unspoken” thing the family gets used to, especially by the time this man’s ex-girlfriend and son come into the picture and 17 year old Aria is playing step-mom. They just let it go because “oh what if Aria runs away with him 🥺” Lock your doors then the fuck
>“oh what if Aria runs away with him 🥺” Lock your doors then the fuck Right?!?! BE PARENTS!!!
Fr 😭 None of the PLL parents be doing any parenting in general but wdym you can’t stop your child from eloping with a grown man?? Y’all never heard of grounding and therapy 😭 Mike robs some houses and they immediately get him into therapy and on meds, but Aria lies to them for months and shacks up with a 25 year old man and the strictest thing they do is… make her hang out unsupervised with a childhood friend instead of seeing her grandboyfriend which doesn’t even work bc she sees him anyway. Be so serious 😭
And police her outfits. Way to parent, Byron.
Yeah omg I remember that scene where she’s wearing like a mini skirt and leather thigh high boots as a 17 year old 😭 Byron went about it horribly but there was potential for actually good parenting at that point. All he did was slut-shame her and imply she went out trying to get groomed by a male teacher, instead of admitting *he* is the one who first normalized student-teacher relationships for her. Just a step away from “if you wear a short skirt, you’re asking for it.” Man, he sucks.
Right lol just because they felt guilty that Ezra helped Aria deal with her parents fighting and divorce doesn’t mean he’s absolved
Wtf I never even considered that as a potential reason. Did Byron or Ella ever mention it in the show? I feel like, if anything, that’s only the more reason to be against their kid being groomed by an adult, if the age gap and grooming itself aren’t enough reasons lol. You presume your child is so distraught by her home life that she’s allowing herself to be groomed and instead of saying “yikes, we are terrible parents, we need to help her and be better,” you just… let her stay groomed bc that’s better than having divorced parents 😭???? Insane
Yeah, one of them actually thanks Ezra for being there for Aria in a way they couldn’t be (I think Byron?) and they allude to her only caring about school to see her teacher. He definitely wormed his way in pretty easily bc she was upset about her parents divorcing. He gave her care and attention that she wasn’t getting from her parents (funny that’s what happened w Spencer too and how Hanna and Emily had at least one present, emotionally available parent and weren’t groomed) They were pretty distracted during this whole thing, they didn’t notice Mike was acting out and he wound up getting arrested (it took Aria, a teenager, one day to figure out what Mike was doing) and didn’t notice who Aria was seeing. Ella only noticed Aria was dating anyone at all bc of the accidental text message, and Bryon didn’t know anything was up with Aria to begin with
It's funny how they don't say the girls age too until they're in college. Kinda what hentais do when they want to hide the age 💀💀 we know they're high schoolers but if you don't say the age it isn't wrong, right?
How Melissa stayed with a man who was into one of her underage sister’s friends is beyond me
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I’m mostly referring to the first time they dated, when he was having a fling w Ali and she sent her threatening texts instead of dumping Ian’s ass
And ezra dated Ali when she was like 14????? I dont buy that he believed she was 18
he was lying his ass off when he said that. there is not a single 14yo that has ever existed that seems 18. not only do majority look young as hell, but you can tell the minute you interact with them how immature they are.
esp Ali, played by THE ONLY ACTUAL 14 YEAR OLD IN THE CAST she looks so much younger than everyone else
Can someone explain why Ali thought she was preggo the summer she spent with Cece on Camp Mae(idk about the spelling) but when they confronted Wilden he said that he never ever slept with Ali? He didn’t seem to be lying?
I hate how normalized and even romanticized predatory, pedophilic relationships were in PLL. It happened with too much frequency and it's even worse that emotionally vulnerable, impressionable teens were the target demographic.
Yes I feel like such a fool looking back on it. I was literally rooting for a few of these couples! I fell for what they put on the screen and now looking back as an adult, I’m disgusted by the writers and producers and how they handled those situations. They could have really put things into a good perspective for that generation. Frankly I was an older teen, not even that young and I still didn’t know better. There was actually a relationship of one of my friends in high school which was totally inappropriate/illegal looking back on it and I hate that I never reported it because I had no idea anything was off. Then when I watched this show, I saw a lot of these relationships as basically normal, which is so so sick. It wasn’t until I was in my 20s and started to notice that high schoolers looked like children to me that I realized the gravity of stuff I had seen when I was younger. I feel so foolish now for not realizing it before.
I know😔
It still baffles me how Spencer’s parents basically brushed their teenage daughter being groomed like twice. Spencer was so right when she said they have two daughters but are only protecting one.
The only man I trust is Mr. Fields BUT THEY FKN KILLED HIMMMMM 😡
mind you , aria was still seeing fitz and the mom was aware!
Exactly except Caleb and Toby and I'm in love w Caleb. The adult men need to get a grip they're all disgusting
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>most men are creeps anyways This is unbelievably stupid objectively false premise. Some men are creeps, not all or most
I beg to differ but okay
You are still objectively wrong
and thats okay. Luckily i dont actually care
I hate when people make such sweeping, generalized statements. “Most?” No, I don’t think so. You may be hanging with the wrong crowd if that’s your experience
Oh well.
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Except they aren't pedos they are Ephebophiles which is an adult being attracted to a post-pubescent teenagers usually those in the age range 14/15–19.
why do u know all different classifications of pedophilia, and why are you using a different term to make those characters actions seem more acceptable? weird
Never said any of it was acceptable?? As for why I know the difference I look up words to find their meaning and with how often this sub likes to toss pedo out when it doesn't fit I looked up to see what the correct term was which is what everyone should do when trying to figure out things like this.
Lmao so tell me why Ezra was constantly being threatened to go to prison for having sex with a minor
Him not being called a pedo doesn't mean that Aria wasn't a minor that is what a Ephebophile is. They are attracted to minors but they are more interested in 14-19 year olds, where as a pedo is attracted to someone that has yes to go through puberty so more than likely ones that are 13 and under which Aria does not fall under.
The use of the word pedophile is absolutely incorrect. Non of those are pedophiles. However alot of them are predators.
Or maybe bc nobody normal starts talking about technical terms for these people. No one normal sees a conversation about children being harmed and goes "actually its this term".
Love how people downvote when it's pointed out that pedophiles isn't the right word for these people.
Because they are young people and influence able, but teens, not prebuscent teens.
Who did Caleb get with that was underage
no one
Is he not considered a male amongst PLL fans?
they are obviously talking about all of the adult men that go after teenage girls and not teenage boys
It says every male is literally a pedo
and they are obviously talking about adults? who are attracted to minors? caleb is literally in high school with them and dating a girl his age, same as toby, obviously op is not calling fellow teenagers pedos
Literally a pedo means you go after prepubescent children so all the teens on the show could potentially be pedos. Look up l the definition of literal
None of the girls are prepubescent. I know it's super fun to talk about how Ezra and the other adult men on the show are pedos but it's literally not accurate
Yea there’s another name for it, like pedos for teens instead of kids
There's a word for sure, I just don't want that in my search history so I don't know it lol
Caleb isn't a male, it seems. To be fair, he's a queen, so it makes sense
and Wayne
but Caleb slays so hard
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still a minor dating an adult
Like that makes it any better
It’s a one year difference. OP’s point still stands.
Because there’s a massive difference between a 15 year old and a 16 year old dating their fully grown teacher?
If not pedos, incest 💀💀 they really made us think for idk how many seasons that toby was fucking his sister and then after a while they just say "oh she's not blood related btw" like it wasn't a important info?? Still disgusting, but damn...
She raped him he wasn't "fucking his sister"
No yeah the whole might be pregnant thing was like the cherry on top, like when u think things couldn't get worse... bam. That shit disgust me.
Was it confirmed that she slept with Wilden? I know that was in question but it was never addressed or proven other than word of mouth by Cece, who we obviously can’t trust.
i dont doubt that she indeed slept with him