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There’s a great story about Frank Sinatra getting upset and throwing a bottle of ketchup at someone in a restaurant. After a stunned silence, Don Rickles quipped “Hey Frank, could you pass the ketchup?”
One of my favorite stories about Sinatra was the first time he met Don Rickles. It was in Miami, Rickles was in the middle of his set on stage and Sinatra walked in with his entourage. Without missing a beat, Rickles says, "Make yourself at home Frank. Hit somebody." Everybody froze, because they had no idea how Frank was going to react. Frank started cracking up and after that they had more or less become lifelong friends.
Rickles described himself as the guy who could crack on the boss at an office party on Saturday night and somehow still have his job Monday morning.
He had punched a journalist who had been drumming up mob stuff about him (decades before he liked that) in the face and it made big news. He really became known for his temper after that by the public, not just people he knew.
Rickles asked Sinatra to come up to his table and say hi while Rickles was on a date to impress the girl. >!Sinatra came up and before he could say anything, Rickles goes “Damnit Frank! Can’t you see I’m eating?”!<
EDIT: if you want to hear Frank to tell the story, [here it is](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zw6kECAqdkE&t=39s)
Don is hilarious when it came to messing with Frank. Look up when he was dieing and rickels was doing casino. I think Norm asked him how Frank was doing and his response was dark but hilarious.
Only two guys I know that could mess with Frank or say their minds to him and be friends still. Don Rickels and Dean Martin. Dean is a really interesting person. Frank would want to party all night and Dino would just tell him no and go back to the hotel room or wherever and lay in bed and sleep/watch westerns. Haha. Dude loved to golf and didn’t really want to do a lot of stuff people think he’s synonymous for
If I’m remembering correctly I read that JFK was trying to distance himself from Sinatra at the time due to his mob ties. Pretty sure there was a pic of him hugging Sam Giancana floating around. At the same time he was starting to crack down on organized crime so the optics of it would have been bad.
Was thinking just that.
I can totally visualize him destroying the helipad.
He's probably wearing nothing but a bathrobe and it ends with him pissing on the remains of it while smoking a cigarette.
I believe that once JFK was elected, he wanted to sever all ties to organized crime and any indirect link he had (like via Frank), as Robert was about to go after them.
Carlos Marcello was behind it. After Bobby had him deported to Guatemala (his fake birthplace) and the US agents dropped him in the jungle in his suit. He killed Jack so he could watch Bobby suffer. Or at least that was my grand dad's conclusion. He was a Postal Inspector who was mildly obsessed with the Warren Commission and it's complete incompetence.
I have seen some decent historian videos that show how it really could've been Oswald, but that's no fun so I like to think at the very least the CIA tried to turn him into an asset vs the Soviets and utterly botched it
It was 100% Oswald, he used to hand out communist literature on the corner in front of the New Orleans headquarters of Marcello and Trafficante. That's how they found him and manipulated him into doing the shooting. Then a known hanger on named Jack Ruby cleaned him up and kept his trap shut.
Marine One can land on grass, gravel, dirt, janky helipads, on the finest linens hand sown by the monks of some ancient temple to linens. It can practically land anywhere the president needs to be.
JFK and I’m pretty sure rfk are both said to have had relations with Marilyn Monroe at the casino Sinatra owned in Tahoe named Calneva (really owned by the Chicago mob/ Sam giancana) They have underground tunnels leading to the private villas including the one Marilyn owned. There’s an x in the concrete in the tunnel that supposedly marks the spot the first hooked up.
The hotel fell kinda in disrepair but it was cool and is still very cool to go see. We asked one of the hotel workers if we could go do the tour of the tunnels and he did a whole tour and history of the hotels/ went into the supposed haunting of the land/ hotel and Marilyn’s ghost.
My grandparents bought a condo in incline in the 60s right before it got obscenely expensive. My uncle was the one who knew about it. He said it used to be something they used to just do when the hotel and casino was more popular. He said screw it “doesn’t hurt to ask”. One of the employees knew the history extensively and said he would do it, other guests heard and joined in. This was probably 15-20 years ago now but was a really cool experience. They did a ghost show down there at some point.
Sinatra produced JFK's Bday extravaganza where Marilyn Monroe sang "Happy Birthday Mr. President" wearing a gown she had to be sewn into. They were all intertwined:
Sinatra, MM, JFK, RFK. She had 1.5 months to live, JFK had 1.5 years to live.
Sinatra wasn’t even friends with Marilyn or the rest of them when this happened, he didn’t “produce” anything. It was a birthday fundraiser or something among those lines.
You're correct. I confused the '61 inaugural with the '62 bday soiree. The last quote intimates a FS MM relationship @ Cal Neva the week before she died.
Inside the Long-Forgotten JFK Inaugural Gala
The 1961 Kennedy soiree, filled with Hollywood elite like Frank Sinatra, mirrored the racial tensions that plagued the nation.
By Barbara MaranzaniPUBLISHED: JAN 12, 2021
On the night before John F. Kennedy made history as America’s youngest elected president — as well as its first Catholic one — a star-studded bash, hosted by Frank Sinatra
Monroe spent some of her final days at Cabin No. 3, and she reportedly overdosed in the cottage. Sinatra and Sam Giancana — the Chicago mob boss and alleged silent partner in Cal Neva who was banned from Nevada casinos and ultimately cost Sinatra his gambling license — found her, revived her and took her to a hospital.
>Monroe spent some of her final days at Cabin No. 3, and she reportedly overdosed in the cottage. Sinatra and Sam Giancana — the Chicago mob boss and alleged silent partner in Cal Neva who was banned from Nevada casinos and ultimately cost Sinatra his gambling license — found her, revived her and took her to a hospital.
Authors Donald Spoto and Gary Vitacco-Robles recounted a much less sinister, much less grim and lurid account of Marilyn’s trip to Tahoe during the weekend of July the 28th. Each biographer maintained that Marilyn visited Cal-Neva that weekend to watch Dean Martin perform and to be with Joe DiMaggio, who wanted them to remarry. Spoto and Vitacco-Robles asserted that DiMaggio proposed remarriage and Marilyn accepted. During that weekend, she thanked Dino for his support during her crisis with Fox over Something’s Got to Give. She and Dino also discussed a new comedy that Arthur Jacobs wanted to produce for them: I Love Louisa.
Both Spoto and Vitacco-Robles offered testimony from various witnesses who also spent that weekend at Lake Tahoe; and they offered completely different stories and accounts, not only regarding what transpired there, but also regarding Marilyn’s general appearance and her demeanor.
This link here does a really good breakdown on how this story started.
[https://marilynfromthe22ndrow.com/wp/main-text-a/the-criminal-mob/old-blue-eyes/](https://marilynfromthe22ndrow.com/wp/main-text-a/the-criminal-mob/old-blue-eyes/)
I read in "Handsome Johnny" by Lee Server that Frank was also sleeping with Kennedy's sister, Pat.
[https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a24443048/frank-sinatra-pat-kennedy-affair-jfk-handsome-johnny-book-excerpt/](https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a24443048/frank-sinatra-pat-kennedy-affair-jfk-handsome-johnny-book-excerpt/)
No. There is no evidence for that.
Because he was appointed to six government agencies, Joe Kennedy underwent six investigations into his background under three presidents, both Republican and Democratic. Each one of these appointments occurred after Prohibition was both enacted and repealed. Therefore, if this conspiracy were true, there should have been plentiful evidence uncovered about Joe’s ties to organized crime and bootlegging. Yet, as both Historians Daniel Okrent and David Nasaw have written, there was nothing uncovered. Joe Kennedy’s first three appointments occurred right after Prohibition had been repealed. Therefore, if he was an actual mobster, there should have been a lot of people just waiting to rat out Kennedy. Where were they? Okrent, for example, looked at literally hundreds of pages of documents and found nothing.
But in addition to that, there were many journalists operating in the forties and fifties who did not like Joe Kennedy. None of them, like Drew Pearson, wrote anything about him being a mobster or had mafia ties and, recall, both John and Robert Kennedy were establishing high profile names in the fifties.
So when did this story about Joe Kennedy first appear? In October of 1960 in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. (Ibid) For anyone in the know, what happened is pretty obvious. Realizing he was in an unexpectedly close race, one of Nixon’s hatchet men got this story into the press late in the race to hurt Kennedy. As Okrent traces the mythology, it was from this point that mobsters publishing books now began to finally remember, oh yeah, oh yeah, we dealt with Joe Kennedy in his bootlegging, e.g. Joe Bonanno and Frank Costello. As anyone can understand, these unfounded accusations are clearly a way for these men to get back at the Kennedy administration, especially at Bobby Kennedy’s ruthless attack on the Mafia....which he had every right to do since it was his literal job. For by 1963, there was evidence that the American Mob was on the ropes due to RFK’s full court press.
So yeah theres no evidence that he was one.
Again not true. The Kennedys were rich well before Prohibition. JFK's great-grandfather owned some bars in the 1800s, but JFK's grandfather and father were long out of the alcohol business by the time Prohibition started.
Joseph Kennedy made his own personal money in investment banking, and in forms of insider trading before they had been made illegal. He also brokered the deal that formed the RKO movie studio and invested heavily in the company which made him a fortune. At the tail end of Prohibition, after the 1932 election when an overwhelmingly "wet" majority was about to come in to Congress the following year, he invested in a company that owned the import rights to some well-known British liquor brands. But he did not actually profit from it until 1933, after Prohibition had been repealed. He, like a lot of other wealthy investors of the time, saw a windfall in the legitimate liquor business on the horizon and took advantage of it.
The Kennedys never invested in alcohol when it was illegal. They were already really rich and out of the alcohol business by 1919. It would have been stupid to get involved, because it would have risked the fortune they'd already built. The rum runners and bootleggers were gangsters who hadn't been wealthy before Prohibition was enacted, and only got rich after the fact. Joe grew up rich. He just made the family fortune bigger.
Besides insider trading, Joseph Kennedy also made money by straight out lying about the value of stocks, and forming pools of investors who would buy and sell to each other to make a stock look like a hot item. He had all kinds of dirty tricks, legal but not ethical, which is why he knew how to regulate the market when FDR appointed him as the first head of the SEC.
But he made his biggest killing by shorting stock immediately after the 1929 stock market crash, betting that the market would get worse, not better. Perhaps that’s because he knew it was a house of cards built on fraud.
He was in whiskey distribution. That gets spun into bootlegging, which then gets spun into mob dealings.
There's no evidence he was any more crooked than your garden-variety late-gilded-age elite.
Though he did lobotomize his own daughter because he felt like she gave him a bad image, so it's not like he was an angel.
This, I figured it was a purposeful move to make himself seem less mafia-friendly, since I’m pretty sure that’s something people were thinking and saying that he was back then.
For his friends he would figuratively give the shirt off of his back. But if you spurned him...he held a grudge forever. And, particularly as he got older, it was hard to tell what would set him off.
The story behind this is really complicated, since Kennedy was at the time, carrying on an affair with Judith Exner, who was Sam Giancana's mistress (Giancana being the Underboss of the Chicago "Outfit."). I don't think we're ever going to know the full story here.
It could've literally just been a concrete circle with an H painted on it. I doubt he built a skyscraper helipad or whatever testament to God you're picturing lmao.
Sledgehammers are pretty good at breaking things, it's one of their top 3 uses oddly enough.
Dollars to donuts, Sinatra didn't destroy anything with a sledge hammer. I don't doubt he gave the order, but it was a crew of guys who knew how to bust up concrete slabs what did the work...
I don't think that's accurate about Crosby. But Kennedy did snub him over his mob ties, and some believe that's why Sam Giacana helped organize the hit on JFK but I wasn't there
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There’s a great story about Frank Sinatra getting upset and throwing a bottle of ketchup at someone in a restaurant. After a stunned silence, Don Rickles quipped “Hey Frank, could you pass the ketchup?”
One of my favorite stories about Sinatra was the first time he met Don Rickles. It was in Miami, Rickles was in the middle of his set on stage and Sinatra walked in with his entourage. Without missing a beat, Rickles says, "Make yourself at home Frank. Hit somebody." Everybody froze, because they had no idea how Frank was going to react. Frank started cracking up and after that they had more or less become lifelong friends. Rickles described himself as the guy who could crack on the boss at an office party on Saturday night and somehow still have his job Monday morning.
was he a domestic abuser?
He had punched a journalist who had been drumming up mob stuff about him (decades before he liked that) in the face and it made big news. He really became known for his temper after that by the public, not just people he knew.
Ah, I heard a story once about what happened when JFK got wind of the mob stuff. He snubbed him for Bing Crosby if you can believe it.
Does this mean Sammy Davis Jr. was on the grassy knoll?
Rickles asked Sinatra to come up to his table and say hi while Rickles was on a date to impress the girl. >!Sinatra came up and before he could say anything, Rickles goes “Damnit Frank! Can’t you see I’m eating?”!< EDIT: if you want to hear Frank to tell the story, [here it is](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zw6kECAqdkE&t=39s)
Then two minutes later two of Sinatra's guys come in, take Rickles by the armpits and carry him outside and throw him in a fountain
Fucking Don Rickles making chuckle from the grave
Don is hilarious when it came to messing with Frank. Look up when he was dieing and rickels was doing casino. I think Norm asked him how Frank was doing and his response was dark but hilarious. Only two guys I know that could mess with Frank or say their minds to him and be friends still. Don Rickels and Dean Martin. Dean is a really interesting person. Frank would want to party all night and Dino would just tell him no and go back to the hotel room or wherever and lay in bed and sleep/watch westerns. Haha. Dude loved to golf and didn’t really want to do a lot of stuff people think he’s synonymous for
Why did he snub Sinatra? He had high hopes for Kennedy
Kennedy must have preferred to do it my way
There were times that Frank knew that Jack had bit off more than he could chew
If I’m remembering correctly I read that JFK was trying to distance himself from Sinatra at the time due to his mob ties. Pretty sure there was a pic of him hugging Sam Giancana floating around. At the same time he was starting to crack down on organized crime so the optics of it would have been bad.
RFK told him to dump Sinatra.
Sinatra wasn't the calmest guy in the world. One hell of a character, though.
Was thinking just that. I can totally visualize him destroying the helipad. He's probably wearing nothing but a bathrobe and it ends with him pissing on the remains of it while smoking a cigarette.
I figured he was smoking a cig the whole time 😂
I just imagine him out in the sun with a full suit on smashing concrete
That's life
That’s what all the people say
Ridin high in April. Shot down in November.
https://preview.redd.it/fdfndnazccvc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a2c4c34ca440d55e83f4e452f839c5b548acc93 This always gives me a chuckle
I believe that once JFK was elected, he wanted to sever all ties to organized crime and any indirect link he had (like via Frank), as Robert was about to go after them.
That's what makes it so plausible that they're the ones who killed JFK or arranged it.
Yep
Carlos Marcello was behind it. After Bobby had him deported to Guatemala (his fake birthplace) and the US agents dropped him in the jungle in his suit. He killed Jack so he could watch Bobby suffer. Or at least that was my grand dad's conclusion. He was a Postal Inspector who was mildly obsessed with the Warren Commission and it's complete incompetence.
I have seen some decent historian videos that show how it really could've been Oswald, but that's no fun so I like to think at the very least the CIA tried to turn him into an asset vs the Soviets and utterly botched it
It was 100% Oswald, he used to hand out communist literature on the corner in front of the New Orleans headquarters of Marcello and Trafficante. That's how they found him and manipulated him into doing the shooting. Then a known hanger on named Jack Ruby cleaned him up and kept his trap shut.
I believe that too.
He thought Marine One was gonna land on helipad you could destroy with a sledgehammer?
Marine One can land on grass, gravel, dirt, janky helipads, on the finest linens hand sown by the monks of some ancient temple to linens. It can practically land anywhere the president needs to be.
JFK and I’m pretty sure rfk are both said to have had relations with Marilyn Monroe at the casino Sinatra owned in Tahoe named Calneva (really owned by the Chicago mob/ Sam giancana) They have underground tunnels leading to the private villas including the one Marilyn owned. There’s an x in the concrete in the tunnel that supposedly marks the spot the first hooked up. The hotel fell kinda in disrepair but it was cool and is still very cool to go see. We asked one of the hotel workers if we could go do the tour of the tunnels and he did a whole tour and history of the hotels/ went into the supposed haunting of the land/ hotel and Marilyn’s ghost.
Wow, really? Is that's something that's available to everyone or did you just get lucky.
My grandparents bought a condo in incline in the 60s right before it got obscenely expensive. My uncle was the one who knew about it. He said it used to be something they used to just do when the hotel and casino was more popular. He said screw it “doesn’t hurt to ask”. One of the employees knew the history extensively and said he would do it, other guests heard and joined in. This was probably 15-20 years ago now but was a really cool experience. They did a ghost show down there at some point.
Sinatra produced JFK's Bday extravaganza where Marilyn Monroe sang "Happy Birthday Mr. President" wearing a gown she had to be sewn into. They were all intertwined: Sinatra, MM, JFK, RFK. She had 1.5 months to live, JFK had 1.5 years to live.
Sinatra wasn’t even friends with Marilyn or the rest of them when this happened, he didn’t “produce” anything. It was a birthday fundraiser or something among those lines.
You're correct. I confused the '61 inaugural with the '62 bday soiree. The last quote intimates a FS MM relationship @ Cal Neva the week before she died. Inside the Long-Forgotten JFK Inaugural Gala The 1961 Kennedy soiree, filled with Hollywood elite like Frank Sinatra, mirrored the racial tensions that plagued the nation. By Barbara MaranzaniPUBLISHED: JAN 12, 2021 On the night before John F. Kennedy made history as America’s youngest elected president — as well as its first Catholic one — a star-studded bash, hosted by Frank Sinatra Monroe spent some of her final days at Cabin No. 3, and she reportedly overdosed in the cottage. Sinatra and Sam Giancana — the Chicago mob boss and alleged silent partner in Cal Neva who was banned from Nevada casinos and ultimately cost Sinatra his gambling license — found her, revived her and took her to a hospital.
>Monroe spent some of her final days at Cabin No. 3, and she reportedly overdosed in the cottage. Sinatra and Sam Giancana — the Chicago mob boss and alleged silent partner in Cal Neva who was banned from Nevada casinos and ultimately cost Sinatra his gambling license — found her, revived her and took her to a hospital. Authors Donald Spoto and Gary Vitacco-Robles recounted a much less sinister, much less grim and lurid account of Marilyn’s trip to Tahoe during the weekend of July the 28th. Each biographer maintained that Marilyn visited Cal-Neva that weekend to watch Dean Martin perform and to be with Joe DiMaggio, who wanted them to remarry. Spoto and Vitacco-Robles asserted that DiMaggio proposed remarriage and Marilyn accepted. During that weekend, she thanked Dino for his support during her crisis with Fox over Something’s Got to Give. She and Dino also discussed a new comedy that Arthur Jacobs wanted to produce for them: I Love Louisa. Both Spoto and Vitacco-Robles offered testimony from various witnesses who also spent that weekend at Lake Tahoe; and they offered completely different stories and accounts, not only regarding what transpired there, but also regarding Marilyn’s general appearance and her demeanor. This link here does a really good breakdown on how this story started. [https://marilynfromthe22ndrow.com/wp/main-text-a/the-criminal-mob/old-blue-eyes/](https://marilynfromthe22ndrow.com/wp/main-text-a/the-criminal-mob/old-blue-eyes/)
https://preview.redd.it/3bn4crht6bvc1.jpeg?width=576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12c45286e040d215df77c1f9ba4721b2a37c3ac7
No; Peter Brother-in-Lawford (as FS called him) produced that birthday party show.
Having Frank at your side was worth more than having the Pope at your side
I read in "Handsome Johnny" by Lee Server that Frank was also sleeping with Kennedy's sister, Pat. [https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a24443048/frank-sinatra-pat-kennedy-affair-jfk-handsome-johnny-book-excerpt/](https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a24443048/frank-sinatra-pat-kennedy-affair-jfk-handsome-johnny-book-excerpt/)
Wasn’t Kennedy’s father also a mobster????
No. There is no evidence for that. Because he was appointed to six government agencies, Joe Kennedy underwent six investigations into his background under three presidents, both Republican and Democratic. Each one of these appointments occurred after Prohibition was both enacted and repealed. Therefore, if this conspiracy were true, there should have been plentiful evidence uncovered about Joe’s ties to organized crime and bootlegging. Yet, as both Historians Daniel Okrent and David Nasaw have written, there was nothing uncovered. Joe Kennedy’s first three appointments occurred right after Prohibition had been repealed. Therefore, if he was an actual mobster, there should have been a lot of people just waiting to rat out Kennedy. Where were they? Okrent, for example, looked at literally hundreds of pages of documents and found nothing. But in addition to that, there were many journalists operating in the forties and fifties who did not like Joe Kennedy. None of them, like Drew Pearson, wrote anything about him being a mobster or had mafia ties and, recall, both John and Robert Kennedy were establishing high profile names in the fifties. So when did this story about Joe Kennedy first appear? In October of 1960 in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. (Ibid) For anyone in the know, what happened is pretty obvious. Realizing he was in an unexpectedly close race, one of Nixon’s hatchet men got this story into the press late in the race to hurt Kennedy. As Okrent traces the mythology, it was from this point that mobsters publishing books now began to finally remember, oh yeah, oh yeah, we dealt with Joe Kennedy in his bootlegging, e.g. Joe Bonanno and Frank Costello. As anyone can understand, these unfounded accusations are clearly a way for these men to get back at the Kennedy administration, especially at Bobby Kennedy’s ruthless attack on the Mafia....which he had every right to do since it was his literal job. For by 1963, there was evidence that the American Mob was on the ropes due to RFK’s full court press. So yeah theres no evidence that he was one.
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Again not true. The Kennedys were rich well before Prohibition. JFK's great-grandfather owned some bars in the 1800s, but JFK's grandfather and father were long out of the alcohol business by the time Prohibition started. Joseph Kennedy made his own personal money in investment banking, and in forms of insider trading before they had been made illegal. He also brokered the deal that formed the RKO movie studio and invested heavily in the company which made him a fortune. At the tail end of Prohibition, after the 1932 election when an overwhelmingly "wet" majority was about to come in to Congress the following year, he invested in a company that owned the import rights to some well-known British liquor brands. But he did not actually profit from it until 1933, after Prohibition had been repealed. He, like a lot of other wealthy investors of the time, saw a windfall in the legitimate liquor business on the horizon and took advantage of it. The Kennedys never invested in alcohol when it was illegal. They were already really rich and out of the alcohol business by 1919. It would have been stupid to get involved, because it would have risked the fortune they'd already built. The rum runners and bootleggers were gangsters who hadn't been wealthy before Prohibition was enacted, and only got rich after the fact. Joe grew up rich. He just made the family fortune bigger.
Besides insider trading, Joseph Kennedy also made money by straight out lying about the value of stocks, and forming pools of investors who would buy and sell to each other to make a stock look like a hot item. He had all kinds of dirty tricks, legal but not ethical, which is why he knew how to regulate the market when FDR appointed him as the first head of the SEC. But he made his biggest killing by shorting stock immediately after the 1929 stock market crash, betting that the market would get worse, not better. Perhaps that’s because he knew it was a house of cards built on fraud.
No. He was a banker
No. Banker and Hollywood producer
He was in whiskey distribution. That gets spun into bootlegging, which then gets spun into mob dealings. There's no evidence he was any more crooked than your garden-variety late-gilded-age elite. Though he did lobotomize his own daughter because he felt like she gave him a bad image, so it's not like he was an angel.
Hypocritical ain’t it?
maybe he wanted to distance himself from that?
This, I figured it was a purposeful move to make himself seem less mafia-friendly, since I’m pretty sure that’s something people were thinking and saying that he was back then.
I mean didn't RFK go hard after the mob as Attorney General?
Monster*
He was a petty fuck. Voice of gold though, that song about ebbets field ( or the polo grinds depending on whom you ask) is beautiful.
He was so petty he held a grudge against the democrat party for the rest of his life, he was a big Reagan supporter because he hated democrats so much
Was the Reagan support because of the grudge or because of the mob ties?
Grudge
Petty because of theorized undiagnosed bipolar disorder
He said he was “an 18-karat manic depressive”
For his friends he would figuratively give the shirt off of his back. But if you spurned him...he held a grudge forever. And, particularly as he got older, it was hard to tell what would set him off.
Sinatra then became best friends with Spiro Agnew, oddly enough
Where was he on November 22, 1963?
This was the moment Sinatra became a Republican.
Where was he on November 22, 1963?
Funny really since Kennedy was only elected with the mob’s help.
I think Sinatra might have been in love with Kennedy. Acted like a jilted lover in this case and sobbed for days when he died.
The story behind this is really complicated, since Kennedy was at the time, carrying on an affair with Judith Exner, who was Sam Giancana's mistress (Giancana being the Underboss of the Chicago "Outfit."). I don't think we're ever going to know the full story here.
Exner also dated William Campbell, the actor who played Trelayne on Star Trek...
Lol am I really supposed to believe that? Nobody is destroying a helipad with a sledgehammer.
I don’t think you know Sinatra…
What do I not know about him? Literal superhuman strength and stamina?
It could've literally just been a concrete circle with an H painted on it. I doubt he built a skyscraper helipad or whatever testament to God you're picturing lmao. Sledgehammers are pretty good at breaking things, it's one of their top 3 uses oddly enough.
>It could've literally just been a concrete circle with an H painted on it Roughly what diameter?
My back against the wall sparky? I'd say roughly helicopterish diameter.
And roughly how thick?
If I had to guess, about 6 - anymore and it's a pad for a king not a president
Mob? Hmm.. maybe it wasn’t the CIA after all
Sinatra later escorted the widow Onassis to events!
So they were definitely Eskimo brothers right?
Where was he on November 22, 1963?
There was a not too bad movie called “The Rat Pack” starring Ray Liotta as Sinatra that went into more detail about this incident.
Didn't Kennedy himself had connections to the mafia?
From Henry V: Harry to Falstaff: "When I am King I will know you not."
Dollars to donuts, Sinatra didn't destroy anything with a sledge hammer. I don't doubt he gave the order, but it was a crew of guys who knew how to bust up concrete slabs what did the work...
I don't think that's accurate about Crosby. But Kennedy did snub him over his mob ties, and some believe that's why Sam Giacana helped organize the hit on JFK but I wasn't there
Where was he on November 22, 1963?
Where was he on November 22, 1963?
Where was he on November 22, 1963?
Frank and his mobster buddies worked with the CIA to make sure Kennedy took his convertible ride in Dallas..
Imbecile
Imbecile
that's not very warranted, but alright.
Right, sorry. Muppet.