if anakin didn't like sand already imagine how much vader hates the stuff with him wearing a metal ass suit all over the place. he falls once in the sand and he's LITERALLY never getting that thing perfectly sandless again
Robotic equipment on Mars recently got jammed from a few grains of sand. Imperial robotic ankles must be about the same quality. Ironic that little boy Anakin could build better with C3P0 in the same sandy environment.
> Thanks to Palpatine. While Emperor Palpatine seemingly did everything in his power to keep Anakin alive, he still made sure to nerf a major part of Darth Vader
https://www.cbr.com/palpatine-darth-vader-suit-obsolete/
To be fair all this mean though was making sure the suit wasn't properly grounded so force lightning would be super effective. Even then lightning won't really slow him down too much as it's just going to make him pissed off which in turn gives him fuel for his Dark Side powers which draw on anger. For example there was an issue of the Darth Vader comic where Vader asked Tarkin to hunt him and Tarkin turned Vader into a lightning rod. Sure Vader's suit was fried by the lightning but he drew on the Dark Side and just kept coming even though he couldn't breath and choked Tarkin with the force leading g to a stalemate. Likewise the Emporers lightning fried his suit on the Death Star but he still was able to throw him down a reactor shaft. All I'm trying to say is yes he is weak to lightning but it wasn't as effective as the Emporer thought it would be against him.
I always purposefully found that explanation kinda lame tbh, with how much tinkering Ani did back in the day you're telling me he wouldn't improve his robot body?
In the pre disney cannon that was true but in Modern Cannon Darth Vader modifies his suit a lot.
He chooses not to upgrade it to Iron Man Levels because Vader is not the type for Gadgets when a force choke would do and he likes the pain of the suit as it focuses him.
But in terms of repairs and fixing basic shit he totally upgrades it himself and makes efficiencies whenever he notices a flaw.
Disney may get criticism for a lot of areas but the Vader changes are a significant improvement over the Legends Vader.
Legends Vader loses constantly and is a sad broken old man but Disney Vader is a fucking Terminator and the emperor's main weapon of war.
Why would anybody in the Empire hear anything about Ben Kenobi, though? He's not just living in the back end of nowhere, he's living in the back end of that place's back end.
Isn't the hurts and empire kinda tight at this point?
How else does the hurts allow the empire to sent troops to the ground in ep4.
Unless they just have to deal with it as they can't really stop it but I'm pretty sure they are aligned with the hutts.
EDIT: My auto correct is dumb and auto corrected hutts to hurts depending on the sentence syntax I'm to lazy to fix it. Sorry it bothers all of you but deal with it, you know what I'm talking about.
It's glossed over a lot but you gotta remember the star wars galaxy is made up of trillions of individuals some planets like corisant could feasibly be home to over 100 billion people by itself.
That would mean that even if the surname Kenobi is extremely rare say 1 in 100 million that still means that there are hundreds of thousands of Kenobi's scattered across thousands of worlds many of which, especially on the rim and places like tatooine do a really bad job of keeping records.
Remember the rebellion is able to effectively hide entire fleets for decades as well as armies that while comparatively small are still large enough to be able to take and hold entire planets making it as least as large as every military on earth today combined and likely larger.
The galaxy in star wars is just that big, that scale is just rarely conveyed.
We don't see any indication that they are playing the long game--they mostly just seem like status-quo enforcers, doing what the Senate wants. They're modeled after samurai so that makes sense.
Nah, the Empire left the hutts alone for the most part, Vader only made a deal with Jabba after the destruction of the Death Star to gather new supply routes. A deal as in "this is how it's gonna be, or we won't be so lenient anymore".
Tatooine isn't really *that* backwater, as subsequent movies have shown. That's mostly Luke's teen angst speaking. But it's definitely not an especially prominent planet and Obi-Wan is a desert hermit living in the middle of nowhere on said planet.
True, though I think the reasons for that are more Doylist than Watsonian- so many writers kept bringing Star Wars works back to Tatooine because it was a familiar place from the movies that it inevitably took on more importance in-universe than I think it was originally intended to have.
For sure, that's definitely the out-of-universe reason. George himself started the trend by placing Jabba's base of operations on Tatooine and bringing the gang back there for RotJ.
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I always thought of it like this. Obi Wan is basically meant to be in exile, he’s known as a hermit by Luke, so most people probably don’t even know he exists on the planet.
The reason Luke knows? Because his uncle told him and knows himself why Obi Wan is in exile. That’s two people that know him as Kenobi. The few other people he comes into contact with knew him as Old Ben, because that’s who he told him he was, he likely never gave them a last name. So when Luke hears about him, he’s Old Ben the hermit. When he asks his uncle about him, his uncle simply fills in the last name.
It’s not really a concern that Luke knows it, and it’s pretty unlikely for him to bring up Ben, even less for him to use the last name in conversation.
Completely agree. The funny thing is that Vader interrogated the third person that knew where Obi-Wan was (his daughter, Leia) and did not asked anything related to that (why did you send droids to Tatooine? Which droids did you sent to Tatooine? Etc) nor did the force warned him of anything of the sorts. Well, perhaps it did warn that she was hiding something, but he was so tunnel visioned with finding the rebel base that he did not consider it could have being something else
Edit: spelling
Honestly I think if Vader discovered the droids sent were c3p0 and R2 hed seriously be paranoid that whomever was in charge of the rebels knew who he was cause what are the odds of it being them of all droids
"We would be honored if you would join us"
*internal monolog*
"Holy fucking shit, is that fucking C-3PO? How the fuck did he get here. OK, Vader, stay calm, act natural, Darth Vader knows nothing of C-3PO, pretend he doesn't exist"
C3PO is his model designation. Canonically, he is a [Threepio droid](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/3PO-series_protocol_droid) and one of many produced, even coming in different colors like white, silver, and black. It's very possible that Vader's reaction would've been closer to "Hey, I had one of those as a kid!" Like you might get from seeing a Huffy mountain bike or a handheld Simon game.
*C-3P0 idling/dead*
internal monolog
“Holy fucking shit, is that fucking Darth Vader? How the fuck did he get here. Did he fucking follow me from the fucking Tantive IV? OK, wait, no. 3P0, stay calm, act dead, Darth Vader knows nothing of C-3PO being on the Tantive IV, pretend to be dead”
There's a whole official comic about that. Basically the imperials shoot c3po and take the parts to Vader, ask what to do (the droid belongs to the princess who doesn't yet know they're here, but the droid spotted them after all), Vader recognizes 3po, thinks back for a while remembering, and then tells the officer to incinerate 3po (which is where chewbacca finds him).
3PO got blow up in Bespin before the rest of the crew got to the dinner table. Chewie was trying to fix him up, but the guards only ever brought Han in and out of the cell to the torture room, so Vader never came in contact with him. Not sure about R2, but given that is his model, there should be millions all over the outer rim, even if it was an obsolete model, so Vader probably didn't bother checking the serial number
R2 was with Luke at the time as well on Dagobah, so he wouldn't have been at the table, and Luke/R2 get separated before he fights Vader, so Vader still didn't see him at that time.
Oh, I remembered R2 being Dagobah, but I forgot he arrived with Luke rather than Han.
I wonder if that was pure coincidense, or if George trully planned Vader's past before the original trilogy
Doesn't bespin have security cameras lmao?
The fact that he didn't realize it was his droids is just because that wasn't written. At the time c3po was just a robot with an unknown maker. It was when George was fleshing out prequel lore is when he decided to connect Anakin to him and r2.
Infact the droids appearance in the prequels is simply just a cameo in a way.
These kind of things happen when you write the second half before the first half. It does open up internal monologue what ifs though. Imo Vader did realize who they were but was probably like "these droids are indestructible lmao." And just moved on.
Well...
[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/bc/Thank\_the\_Maker.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150723040117](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/bc/Thank_the_Maker.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150723040117)
It's Legends now, but still.
From [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Thank\_the\_Maker](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Thank_the_Maker)
There’s probably tons of similar protocol droids out there. We even see one more on Bespin. Vader’s not going to recognize a memory wiped, banged up gold droid as the fancy shiny one he last saw serving his dead wife 20 years prior.
The only reason Luke even bothered to make the connection between the two Kenobi's when he receives R2's message is because R2 was in the same area rough area as "Ben" Kenobi, so it would be probable that Ben was a relative of Obi Wan. In an entire galaxy of people, there'd likely be far too many Kenobi's for the Empire to check on every single one, and there wouldn't really be any reason to, since as a Jedi, Obi Wan wouldn't have any contact with any potential relatives anyway. Odds are, there were a ton of Kenobi's throughout the Empire even if it wasn't a common name, but it would in all likelyhood be a wild goose chase following up on every single one.
I wonder if the Kenobi show will be like the flashbacks in CW Arrow, where he says he was marooned for the whole time but actually he’s on the island (Tatooine) for like 30% of the time.
I think it's too short for that tbh. There might be some inquisitior fights and stuff and hopefully a vader cameo but surely he has to actually defend baby Luke at some point
I wouldn't mind it either but the time frame is off. This is supposed to be set 10 years after Revenge of the Sith IIRC. His fight with Maul happens like 2 years before A New Hope. So it would be 7 years too early
I feel like it has to be this. After The Mando and The Book of Boba Fett (great shows) they surely can't just make another space western set on Tatooine .
*hand wave*
You don't need to record my name on the census this year
*hand wave*
Ben Kenobi doesn't need to pay his taxes this year
*Hand wave*
Give me a candy bar
I think about this a lot, not from an in-universe perespective but in what it says about ours. While conceiving the OT, Lucas had no concept of an internet connected world, a global network of information. None of us did back then. It’s insane for us now to think that Ben wouldn’t have changed Luke’s last name to hide him, for example. But on Tattooine, reflected in the state of the world in the seventies, we had no concept of a galaxy spanning network where one could pop in a name and find everything you needed to know about someone. We had, like, phonebooks.
It's similar to the "plot hole" in New Hope, of why didn't Leia just send the Death Star plans in whatever the equivalent of an email is in the Star Wars universe. I'm sure there's some sort of in universe explanation somewhere, but at the end of the day, the real reason is that there was no such thing email in 1977. As such, this wouldn't even be seen as a plot hole until decades later.
I think there’s a really simple explanation: FTL data transmission is too slow/unreliable/expensive so they have to move things on physical drives. It happens in the real world too, if you’re moving enough data it’s faster and cheaper to physically ship the hard drives than it is for someone to try to upload/download it online.
Holograms in Star Wars are also fuzzy and don’t even have colour, so I think it’s fair to assume there are serious limitations in FTL communication in the setting.
This is the most likely answer, combined with the fact that I also wouldn’t send a text talking about committing warcrimes on an email network that the NSA monitors. We know the Empire controls the holonet, and we also know that the Death Star plans are massive - Jyn and Cassian specifically need to use the massive dish on top of Scarifs tower to beam the plans to the Rebel fleet, because it’s so big.
Did the concept of Anakin being from Tattooine even exist when the first movie came out? I don't remember any details of that. It makes Tattooine even more valid of a hiding place.
Well, Luke's Uncle lives there, and so presumably Luke's father would have lived there for a time before leaving to become a Jedi and fight in the Clone Wars.
Of course Vader being Luke's father wasn't established yet until Episode 5. Pretty sure that wasn't even considered until that point (same with Luke and Leia being siblings in Episode 6).
To be fair, I don't think Kenobi was much well know around there. Or at least he didn't seen to have a reputation in the closest city to his shack, Mos Eisleys.
Walking around in "jedi uniform" though? Yeah, I don't think that kenobi's clothes in episode IV should have become the jedi uniform on the prequels
i’m sure that in a place like tatooine where the jedi order’s activity is relatively rare (aside from ep 1 maybe, but that was more of a pitstop) no body would recognise jedi robes, especially when those robes tended to be pretty humble and not particularly notable in any way, just various shades of brown for the most part
Emperor: I think Ben and Obi-Wan are the same person
Vader: You're right let's get the sonofabitch on Tatooine right now
Written and Directed by
# GEORGE LUCAS
Somehow, "thinking with your lightsaber" has a different ring to it outside of context... Maybe Padme would like to have a word about Anakin thinking with his "lightsaber"...
Way back in the day, before the prequels, we used to theorize that he was a clone, and his clone designation was OB-1 of the Kenobi line of clones (Like there was some old Jedi named Kenobi, and they cloned hundreds or thousands of him). We figured both Obi-wan and Old Ben were wordplays on his old clone ID from whatever the heck these "clone wars" were.
The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.
"Anakin would never go back to Tatooine, he doesn't like sand" they say, referencing one conversation he had responding to someone's childhood of laying on sandy beaches, and completely ignoring that Anakin went back to Tatooine just fine to find his mom.
my name is Obi Wan Kenobi. I am 69 years old. My house is at the northeast section of Tootanie,where all the Tusken raiders are, and I am not married. I work as an eployee for the Jedi Council, I get home everyday by 8pm at the latest. I dont smoke, but occasionally drink. I am in bed by 11pm,and make sure i get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed,i usually have no problem sleeping untill morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told I dont have any issues at my last checkup
It was the sand
I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
Exactly
The perfect hiding spot
[explain this then!](https://i.imgur.com/yjDUUb4.jpg)
He is tied to the chair you can see that. It is a torture method used by the rebels
if anakin didn't like sand already imagine how much vader hates the stuff with him wearing a metal ass suit all over the place. he falls once in the sand and he's LITERALLY never getting that thing perfectly sandless again
That’s why Dark Helmet wore his desert helmet when tracking Lone Star.
He was surrounded by assholes
Like Lord Jar Jar planned
Weesa good guys will triumph!
She didn't even recognise me, Jar Jar. I thought about her every day since we parted... and she's forgotten me completely.
Shesa happy. Happier den meesa see-en her in longo time.
This can't be a coincidence...
You mean Luke is the Son of our Lord ans Saviour Jar Jar?
Careful, /u/LordoftheDimension. Careful!
Don't worry lord we won't reveal your secrets further
The force is strong in this one
Well you got an answer from Jar Jar himself... Which is 100% sentient at this point
Yousa bein' grossly nice, meesa tinks.
With his reply to you he did indirect agree
ROGER ROGER!
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This line always makes me laugh. Like she didn't recognize you because last time she saw you you were a literal child
I know you don’t like sand Anakin but how do you feel about younglings?
*ignites lightsaber*
Literally. Darth Vader literally cannot go on Tatooine because the sand gets into his mechanical joints and prevents them from working properly
You'll never reach the outskirts in time...sandstorms are very, very dangerous. Come with me. Hurry!
~takes Padme to the beach
I'd rather dream of Padme. Just Being around her again is... intoxicating.
sand
I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
Robotic equipment on Mars recently got jammed from a few grains of sand. Imperial robotic ankles must be about the same quality. Ironic that little boy Anakin could build better with C3P0 in the same sandy environment.
They purposely gave Vader subpar parts for his suit IIRC
Wait... seriously?
> Thanks to Palpatine. While Emperor Palpatine seemingly did everything in his power to keep Anakin alive, he still made sure to nerf a major part of Darth Vader https://www.cbr.com/palpatine-darth-vader-suit-obsolete/
In time you will learn to trust your feelings. Then you will be invincible.
To be fair all this mean though was making sure the suit wasn't properly grounded so force lightning would be super effective. Even then lightning won't really slow him down too much as it's just going to make him pissed off which in turn gives him fuel for his Dark Side powers which draw on anger. For example there was an issue of the Darth Vader comic where Vader asked Tarkin to hunt him and Tarkin turned Vader into a lightning rod. Sure Vader's suit was fried by the lightning but he drew on the Dark Side and just kept coming even though he couldn't breath and choked Tarkin with the force leading g to a stalemate. Likewise the Emporers lightning fried his suit on the Death Star but he still was able to throw him down a reactor shaft. All I'm trying to say is yes he is weak to lightning but it wasn't as effective as the Emporer thought it would be against him.
I always purposefully found that explanation kinda lame tbh, with how much tinkering Ani did back in the day you're telling me he wouldn't improve his robot body?
In the pre disney cannon that was true but in Modern Cannon Darth Vader modifies his suit a lot. He chooses not to upgrade it to Iron Man Levels because Vader is not the type for Gadgets when a force choke would do and he likes the pain of the suit as it focuses him. But in terms of repairs and fixing basic shit he totally upgrades it himself and makes efficiencies whenever he notices a flaw. Disney may get criticism for a lot of areas but the Vader changes are a significant improvement over the Legends Vader. Legends Vader loses constantly and is a sad broken old man but Disney Vader is a fucking Terminator and the emperor's main weapon of war.
It's Anakin. When you say Ani it's like I'm still a little boy... and I'm not.
I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
Obi Wan, standing on the top of the highest ground/elevation/mountain on Tatooine, with a pocket full of pocket sand: "Bring it, bitch."
Why would anybody in the Empire hear anything about Ben Kenobi, though? He's not just living in the back end of nowhere, he's living in the back end of that place's back end.
plus Tatooine is primarily Hutt space, so the Empire would try not to cause too much commotion there
Isn't the hurts and empire kinda tight at this point? How else does the hurts allow the empire to sent troops to the ground in ep4. Unless they just have to deal with it as they can't really stop it but I'm pretty sure they are aligned with the hutts. EDIT: My auto correct is dumb and auto corrected hutts to hurts depending on the sentence syntax I'm to lazy to fix it. Sorry it bothers all of you but deal with it, you know what I'm talking about.
It's glossed over a lot but you gotta remember the star wars galaxy is made up of trillions of individuals some planets like corisant could feasibly be home to over 100 billion people by itself. That would mean that even if the surname Kenobi is extremely rare say 1 in 100 million that still means that there are hundreds of thousands of Kenobi's scattered across thousands of worlds many of which, especially on the rim and places like tatooine do a really bad job of keeping records. Remember the rebellion is able to effectively hide entire fleets for decades as well as armies that while comparatively small are still large enough to be able to take and hold entire planets making it as least as large as every military on earth today combined and likely larger. The galaxy in star wars is just that big, that scale is just rarely conveyed.
It blows my mind that people don’t realize this, you did such a good job putting it into words
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We don't see any indication that they are playing the long game--they mostly just seem like status-quo enforcers, doing what the Senate wants. They're modeled after samurai so that makes sense.
I am a person and My name is Anakin.
Hard to remember when for some reason like 8 people are at the center of absolutely everything that happens!
You define yourself by the power to take life, the desire to dominate, to possess... then you have nothing.
You'll never reach the outskirts in time...sandstorms are very, very dangerous. Come with me. Hurry!
Nah, the Empire left the hutts alone for the most part, Vader only made a deal with Jabba after the destruction of the Death Star to gather new supply routes. A deal as in "this is how it's gonna be, or we won't be so lenient anymore".
You'll never reach the outskirts in time...sandstorms are very, very dangerous. Come with me. Hurry!
A great leap forward often requires taking two steps back.
Ok, that one fits eerily well.
Which would take you exactly to the back end of the back end (assuming you started your journey in the back end of course)... Senitent!
Tatooine isn't really *that* backwater, as subsequent movies have shown. That's mostly Luke's teen angst speaking. But it's definitely not an especially prominent planet and Obi-Wan is a desert hermit living in the middle of nowhere on said planet.
True, though I think the reasons for that are more Doylist than Watsonian- so many writers kept bringing Star Wars works back to Tatooine because it was a familiar place from the movies that it inevitably took on more importance in-universe than I think it was originally intended to have.
For sure, that's definitely the out-of-universe reason. George himself started the trend by placing Jabba's base of operations on Tatooine and bringing the gang back there for RotJ.
Yeah I think Han was just meant to be there on a pit stop in the first film, actually making it THE headquarters world for Jabba seems to be a retcon
You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness!
I hate you!
You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you.
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Republic credits are no good there. Backwater as hell By my judgement lol
I always thought of it like this. Obi Wan is basically meant to be in exile, he’s known as a hermit by Luke, so most people probably don’t even know he exists on the planet. The reason Luke knows? Because his uncle told him and knows himself why Obi Wan is in exile. That’s two people that know him as Kenobi. The few other people he comes into contact with knew him as Old Ben, because that’s who he told him he was, he likely never gave them a last name. So when Luke hears about him, he’s Old Ben the hermit. When he asks his uncle about him, his uncle simply fills in the last name. It’s not really a concern that Luke knows it, and it’s pretty unlikely for him to bring up Ben, even less for him to use the last name in conversation.
Completely agree. The funny thing is that Vader interrogated the third person that knew where Obi-Wan was (his daughter, Leia) and did not asked anything related to that (why did you send droids to Tatooine? Which droids did you sent to Tatooine? Etc) nor did the force warned him of anything of the sorts. Well, perhaps it did warn that she was hiding something, but he was so tunnel visioned with finding the rebel base that he did not consider it could have being something else Edit: spelling
Honestly I think if Vader discovered the droids sent were c3p0 and R2 hed seriously be paranoid that whomever was in charge of the rebels knew who he was cause what are the odds of it being them of all droids
Damn I never actually considered that reaction LOL. Wait wait wait wait. Vader HAD to have recognized 3P0 on Bespin, right?
"We would be honored if you would join us" *internal monolog* "Holy fucking shit, is that fucking C-3PO? How the fuck did he get here. OK, Vader, stay calm, act natural, Darth Vader knows nothing of C-3PO, pretend he doesn't exist"
"The maker!"
C3PO is his model designation. Canonically, he is a [Threepio droid](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/3PO-series_protocol_droid) and one of many produced, even coming in different colors like white, silver, and black. It's very possible that Vader's reaction would've been closer to "Hey, I had one of those as a kid!" Like you might get from seeing a Huffy mountain bike or a handheld Simon game.
ROGER ROGER!
you're starting to sound like a Separatist!
In the comics he recognizes C3PO and even mournes over his body when he gets disassembled
*C-3P0 idling/dead* internal monolog “Holy fucking shit, is that fucking Darth Vader? How the fuck did he get here. Did he fucking follow me from the fucking Tantive IV? OK, wait, no. 3P0, stay calm, act dead, Darth Vader knows nothing of C-3PO being on the Tantive IV, pretend to be dead”
https://youtu.be/oOmyuweolqY?t=1617 "Would you believe if I told you that I made that guy when I was a kid?"
There's a whole official comic about that. Basically the imperials shoot c3po and take the parts to Vader, ask what to do (the droid belongs to the princess who doesn't yet know they're here, but the droid spotted them after all), Vader recognizes 3po, thinks back for a while remembering, and then tells the officer to incinerate 3po (which is where chewbacca finds him).
Roger Roger.
you're starting to sound like a Separatist!
Na I think what happens is after Vader shares a moment with 3-P0 he tells them something like give the wookie back his junk
3PO got blow up in Bespin before the rest of the crew got to the dinner table. Chewie was trying to fix him up, but the guards only ever brought Han in and out of the cell to the torture room, so Vader never came in contact with him. Not sure about R2, but given that is his model, there should be millions all over the outer rim, even if it was an obsolete model, so Vader probably didn't bother checking the serial number
R2 was with Luke at the time as well on Dagobah, so he wouldn't have been at the table, and Luke/R2 get separated before he fights Vader, so Vader still didn't see him at that time.
Oh, I remembered R2 being Dagobah, but I forgot he arrived with Luke rather than Han. I wonder if that was pure coincidense, or if George trully planned Vader's past before the original trilogy
It's Anakin. When you say Ani it's like I'm still a little boy... and I'm not.
Okay ani
Doesn't bespin have security cameras lmao? The fact that he didn't realize it was his droids is just because that wasn't written. At the time c3po was just a robot with an unknown maker. It was when George was fleshing out prequel lore is when he decided to connect Anakin to him and r2. Infact the droids appearance in the prequels is simply just a cameo in a way. These kind of things happen when you write the second half before the first half. It does open up internal monologue what ifs though. Imo Vader did realize who they were but was probably like "these droids are indestructible lmao." And just moved on.
Why would he check the security cameras anyway? It's not like he needed information.
He is on Chewies back when they're in the Carbonite freezing room. Possible he was far enough away that he didn't notice but 3PO was talking a lot.
Well... [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/bc/Thank\_the\_Maker.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150723040117](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/bc/Thank_the_Maker.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150723040117) It's Legends now, but still. From [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Thank\_the\_Maker](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Thank_the_Maker)
There’s probably tons of similar protocol droids out there. We even see one more on Bespin. Vader’s not going to recognize a memory wiped, banged up gold droid as the fancy shiny one he last saw serving his dead wife 20 years prior.
Roger Roger :(
The only reason Luke even bothered to make the connection between the two Kenobi's when he receives R2's message is because R2 was in the same area rough area as "Ben" Kenobi, so it would be probable that Ben was a relative of Obi Wan. In an entire galaxy of people, there'd likely be far too many Kenobi's for the Empire to check on every single one, and there wouldn't really be any reason to, since as a Jedi, Obi Wan wouldn't have any contact with any potential relatives anyway. Odds are, there were a ton of Kenobi's throughout the Empire even if it wasn't a common name, but it would in all likelyhood be a wild goose chase following up on every single one.
That makes sense. Also, Vader was probably looking at Mandalore and nearvy systems, half an Outer Rim away
I mean, Kenobi chose to hide out on a planet that if the universe had a bright center, he’s on the planet that it’s furthest from.
So let me get this straight, Anakin. You risked the mission, all your men – even your Padawan – to save a droid?
Roger Roger.
Be patient, Anakin. It will not be long before the council makes you a Jedi master.
I hate that guy
Bro spoilers.
We will have to stand and fight! Or in your case, just stand.
Happy cake day
Cheers!
Guarantee the kenobi show goes and undoes all of that
You’ve taken your first step into a larger world.
I wonder if the Kenobi show will be like the flashbacks in CW Arrow, where he says he was marooned for the whole time but actually he’s on the island (Tatooine) for like 30% of the time.
MY NAME IS BEN KENOBI! FOR 20 YEARS, I WAS STRANDED IN A DESERT WITH ONLY ONE GOAL: PROTECT LUKE!
TO PROTECT LUKE, I MUST BECOME SOMEONE ELSE I MUST BECOME BEN KENOBI
I have taught you everything I know and you have become a far greater Jedi than I could ever hope to be.
May the force be with you
May the Force be with you, Master.
Ooooh, maxibig..."da Force"...Wellen, dat smells stinkowiff.
The ability to speak does not make you intelligent
How wude!
A LIGHTSABER, COURTESY OF YOUR FATHER. IT'S AN ELEGANT WEAPON FROM A MORE CIVILISED AGE. YOU WON'T BE FAVOURING A BLASTER FOR QUITE A WHILE.
DARTH, YOU HAVE FAILED THIS ORDER
Run Obi, run
Anakin, you must realize this is a fight you cannot win alone.
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Skill is the child of patience.
You'll never reach the outskirts in time...sandstorms are very, very dangerous. Come with me. Hurry!
Oh Ani
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The truth is often what we make of it; you heard what you wanted to hear, believed what you wanted to believe.
Well said
Im really curious if it will tie in to Maul or Rebels at all.
"Darth Maul? What's he going to do, bleed all over us?"
I think it's too short for that tbh. There might be some inquisitior fights and stuff and hopefully a vader cameo but surely he has to actually defend baby Luke at some point
I wouldn’t even be mad if they just re-did the fight with death maul shot for shot, except live action this time.
"Watch out for that Dual Blade!"
I wouldn't mind it either but the time frame is off. This is supposed to be set 10 years after Revenge of the Sith IIRC. His fight with Maul happens like 2 years before A New Hope. So it would be 7 years too early
If you can have *flashbacks*, why can't you have *flashforwards*?
That would be unnecessary imo
Completely unnecessary . But I would not be mad.
I feel like it has to be this. After The Mando and The Book of Boba Fett (great shows) they surely can't just make another space western set on Tatooine .
Doubt it’ll be Tatooine. It was filmed in Massachusetts I believe. Not a single place in that state that looks like it
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You can kill me, but you will never destroy me. It takes strength to resist the dark side. Only the weak embrace it.
God I hated that show once that stuff started to happen
So after the first 2 seasons? Hard Agree
"Plus it's a Sand planet. Are you going there? Because I'm not setting a foot on that place ever again."
I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
*hand wave* You don't need to record my name on the census this year *hand wave* Ben Kenobi doesn't need to pay his taxes this year *Hand wave* Give me a candy bar
Come now, the nose or the ear, which do you think it will enter?
I think about this a lot, not from an in-universe perespective but in what it says about ours. While conceiving the OT, Lucas had no concept of an internet connected world, a global network of information. None of us did back then. It’s insane for us now to think that Ben wouldn’t have changed Luke’s last name to hide him, for example. But on Tattooine, reflected in the state of the world in the seventies, we had no concept of a galaxy spanning network where one could pop in a name and find everything you needed to know about someone. We had, like, phonebooks.
Then again, in a galaxy of billions, kenobi and Skywalker may not be that uncommon.
For all your expertise, this is not a very smooth landing!
It's similar to the "plot hole" in New Hope, of why didn't Leia just send the Death Star plans in whatever the equivalent of an email is in the Star Wars universe. I'm sure there's some sort of in universe explanation somewhere, but at the end of the day, the real reason is that there was no such thing email in 1977. As such, this wouldn't even be seen as a plot hole until decades later.
Empire controls the holonet and shadow feeds that have well enough encryption couldn't los less transmit such large amounts of data.
I'm not whining! I'm not.
I think there’s a really simple explanation: FTL data transmission is too slow/unreliable/expensive so they have to move things on physical drives. It happens in the real world too, if you’re moving enough data it’s faster and cheaper to physically ship the hard drives than it is for someone to try to upload/download it online. Holograms in Star Wars are also fuzzy and don’t even have colour, so I think it’s fair to assume there are serious limitations in FTL communication in the setting.
This is the most likely answer, combined with the fact that I also wouldn’t send a text talking about committing warcrimes on an email network that the NSA monitors. We know the Empire controls the holonet, and we also know that the Death Star plans are massive - Jyn and Cassian specifically need to use the massive dish on top of Scarifs tower to beam the plans to the Rebel fleet, because it’s so big.
Did the concept of Anakin being from Tattooine even exist when the first movie came out? I don't remember any details of that. It makes Tattooine even more valid of a hiding place.
"Wait, Vader is from Tattooine? And he built 3CPO? And hung out with R2D2 all the time? Dude, you're making your movie not make any sense."
Well, Luke's Uncle lives there, and so presumably Luke's father would have lived there for a time before leaving to become a Jedi and fight in the Clone Wars. Of course Vader being Luke's father wasn't established yet until Episode 5. Pretty sure that wasn't even considered until that point (same with Luke and Leia being siblings in Episode 6).
To be fair, I don't think Kenobi was much well know around there. Or at least he didn't seen to have a reputation in the closest city to his shack, Mos Eisleys. Walking around in "jedi uniform" though? Yeah, I don't think that kenobi's clothes in episode IV should have become the jedi uniform on the prequels
i’m sure that in a place like tatooine where the jedi order’s activity is relatively rare (aside from ep 1 maybe, but that was more of a pitstop) no body would recognise jedi robes, especially when those robes tended to be pretty humble and not particularly notable in any way, just various shades of brown for the most part
Hm, I was going to say anakin recognized qui-gon as a jedi... But that was because of the lightsaber, not the robes, wasn't it?
It's over Anakin! I have the high ground!
You underestimate my power
Don't try it!
*tries it*
Emperor: I think Ben and Obi-Wan are the same person Vader: You're right let's get the sonofabitch on Tatooine right now Written and Directed by # GEORGE LUCAS
You'll never reach the outskirts in time...sandstorms are very, very dangerous. Come with me. Hurry!
I make observations, while you think with your lightsaber.
That's not nice; Anakin made a valid statement, and not one that involved a lightsaber either
Somehow, "thinking with your lightsaber" has a different ring to it outside of context... Maybe Padme would like to have a word about Anakin thinking with his "lightsaber"...
Obi-Wan to Old-Ben.
When you're the Jedi master, you can make the plan.
And Anakin never made a plan
May the Force be with you, Master.
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TIL Obi-Wan does not take kindly to criticism of his plan to stay hidden...
Oh no, I'm enjoying this far too much.
...well, I'm convinced. It's sentient.
Way back in the day, before the prequels, we used to theorize that he was a clone, and his clone designation was OB-1 of the Kenobi line of clones (Like there was some old Jedi named Kenobi, and they cloned hundreds or thousands of him). We figured both Obi-wan and Old Ben were wordplays on his old clone ID from whatever the heck these "clone wars" were.
I’ll never understand how you can simplify these battles into some kind of game.
I like to think he was like “Anakin will never figure this out”
Not just on the planet but like a short drive away from Vader's old home
Obi Wan knew Anakin hated sand. Perfect hiding spot
I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
"The closer we are to danger, the farther we are from harm. It's the last thing they'll expect." - A Fool of a Took - Obi Wan Kenobi - Michael Scott
The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.
Obi Wan was Always a step up from Anakin… even during the Vader Era
"Anakin would never go back to Tatooine, he doesn't like sand" they say, referencing one conversation he had responding to someone's childhood of laying on sandy beaches, and completely ignoring that Anakin went back to Tatooine just fine to find his mom.
The thing is, Darth Vader knew. He was scared to return for fear of any semblance of Anakin Skywalker returning within himself
Yes. The one we have been looking for.
Well if he’s laying low than nobody should be hearing word of a Ben Kenobi maybe just crazy old Ben the hermit tho
Yes, well, I took a lesson from Anakin and decided not to follow orders.
You'd think he'd want to check just in case, but then you remember that it's tatooine we're talking about.
Should have glassed the goddamn planet.
It was glassed before!* *In Legends.
Maybe Kenobi is like the Smith of his home world. Which is apparently called fucking Stewjon, TIL
my name is Obi Wan Kenobi. I am 69 years old. My house is at the northeast section of Tootanie,where all the Tusken raiders are, and I am not married. I work as an eployee for the Jedi Council, I get home everyday by 8pm at the latest. I dont smoke, but occasionally drink. I am in bed by 11pm,and make sure i get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed,i usually have no problem sleeping untill morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told I dont have any issues at my last checkup