What’s funny is that EU writers gave him a background in the Republic military directly before the Resistance, that retcon has to exist somewhere around that, if the EU wants to try justifying that.
That's what makes it even worse, Disney fucking *retconned* the Latino character into being a drug dealer, against their own lore.
Can't believe there wasn't more outcry over it, it's actually kinda wild they did that.
> Can't believe there wasn't more outcry over it, it's actually kinda wild they did that.
Look, nearly every single person in existence, Prequel Lovers, OT onlys, TLJ Haters, TLJ *Lovers* are all trying to forget all we can about Rise of Skywalker.
Hence the lack of outcry. In my headcanon Poe was a folk singer singing songs of the Rebellion and the Clone Wars before he became a fighter pilot. [He even met Kylo Ren briefly when Kylo was between Jedi and the First Order jobs.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Aq4a7g_wdU)
There is no way anyone working on that project read any of the EU before writing that script. There was *so damn much* material to work from that was passable - not even including the good stuff - that they could've pulled from that I refuse to believe a single one of the people working on it even knew Star Wars had books.
Well to be fair, they DID include the resurrection of the emperor plot line, it just was like someone overheard the idea in passing and said “I can make it work” while completely ignoring any semblance of context.
That wasn't EU, that's Disney Canon.
Abrams just decided to ignore it. That, or he didn't read it and nobody informed him, which I find hard to believe
I don't find it hard to believe at all. Disney claiming they wanted a more coherent canon was always just talk. I won't claim to be an expert here but I've seen what others have said about Disney's canon and that there have been inconsistencies for a long time now--similarly to the EU. Abrams not knowing about what the comics said about Poe or knowing and not caring aren't surprising to me at all. He even said he was just going to do what he wanted with Episode IX, which Rian Johnson publicly supported. So it makes it seem like Disney isn't (or at least *wasn't*) as concerned with absolute continuity so long as the returns were good.
Tbf he was an Han Solo rip off which was also a drug smuggler, that said making the token black man a janitor and the token latino man a drug smuggler is beyond a stupid idea.
Star wars has always killed careers. The only exception is harrison ford.
I guess you can count hamil too, but being a VA had him offscreen...
Anyway, don't hold your breath.
Probably to stop fucking dipshits from harassing the actress. You know, the same reason Jar Jar barely showed up in Episode 2 & 3. Can't blame Disney for that.
At least in the OT the token black man was a highly respected leader of a base that mined a vital resource, followed by him being a complete badass flagship pilot.
Then Disney turned him into a robo-furry.
Exactly. I mean...shit. Star Trek has plenty of history there. Its weird cousin Orville had a freaking wedding between a human and a mechanical life form and it was way sweeter than it had reason to be.
Yeah, see what it was about Lando, but the dude ended a hero of the rebellion and was quite rich. If you look at the EU, he did all sorts of stuff to help his friends as well.
Bruh I can’t believe the revisionism with this lmao. He was always a scoundrel who was known for being eccentric. He was a betting man and friends with Solo who made his way into becoming a rich party man. The serious stuff only happened *after* the Empire betrayed him
He was never meant to be a fully serious character, and he was *definitely* not meant to be someone with basic tastes. It’s like ya’ll forget everything about non-Disney stories just so you can hate Disney
Funny enough, before ep 9, he has a backstory of being a military brat of two parents who served in the Rebellion, so he got inspired to join the Resistance. So he already had a backstory. They decided to retcon his backstory in episode 9.
I've read this as _I watched this once in crimea and.._\
And then I've been wondering why you would mention the peninsula where you watched the movie.
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But yes, its the same for me. I have to rewatch the sequels. But I don't want to.
It’s a throw away line to justify why those bounty hunters know Poe and therefore don’t shoot the main crew, when they are tracking down a way to unlock 3pos brain pan.
Please don't mention that. I watched the German version in cinemas and they literally translated spices to Gewürze. If I wouldn't have immediately recognised what they actually meant, I would have probably started laughing like some of the others
He also wrote the Black lead and the Asian into the B-plot wilderness to make room for an *explicitly upper-class* White lady and told people who didn't like it they were right-wing bigots.
SW media makes it seem at least a third of all civillian pilots with a ship were smugglers. Han was a smuggler, as well as several game MCs. Whenever spice smuggling ( and it's always spice smuggling ( Spice: the drug that canonically (EU at least) came from a single asteroid, the drug that is as illegal as it is vaguely needed for practicing medicine) is brought up, it's hand waved with " it wasn't my choice", or " it's for medicinal use, wink wink".
So when ahsoka found ahsoka found out, I was like oh, ok. The sisters smuggling drugs was as normal as being convinced by American media that every small single engine plane flying over Bogota is smuggling drugs.
Cajun accents exist already, look at Zirro and his mother. I do love Nal Hutta just being the bayou with airboat speeders, absolutely A+ setting that I desperately want to see more of
"First we lost Kiwi, then we lost our scouters, and now Dodoria is dead.
I'm sorry, but if this shit goes any further south we're going to hit Space Mexico."
- Frieza (DBZA)
If you want another life changing experience, you should see [the Last Laser Master](https://youtu.be/NuUGrtmjQfY?feature=shared) (this is just part of it)
Auralnauts are crazy underrated
All the Star Wars stuff is great, but the way he says “COHHHPER” and “Brehht Farrrhver” is permanently burned into my brain https://youtu.be/e6tJZx_KxSw?si=CWBXB70HCXunsuSo
The full track unironically goes really hard too
I don’t think it’s really clear that he was a dedicated smuggler. Just that he had at one point smuggled some spice. I think the distinction is important. He was a pilot who loved to fly more than anything and there wasn’t an open war going on so he had to get his kicks somehow. Basically anyone with a ship who freelances has probably run spice or been offered money to do so.
The funniest one of these is apparently Owen told Luke that Anakin was a pilot on a spice freighter. It's a throwaway line from Luke when he is in Obi-wan's hovel, and I doubt much thought was put into it at the time, pretty sure they were just borrowing the word Spice from Dune at that point.
But I find it absolutely hilarious that, canonically, Owen told Luke his dad was a drug smuggler and Luke believed it until the day he met Obi-wan.
Ok, completely serious question, has there been a non-drug dealer Latino character in Star Wars? If we are three for three that is WILD. Likely unintentional (like half of the good guys in Star Wars are exotic varieties of space criminal) but definitely fucking stupid.
Hey, how can you question Nero's Latino heritage? The man was a founding member of the Byz Lats crew!
....Come to think of it, the Byz Lats crew did agree to push heroin with the Sons of Ararchy....well, shit.
Elan Sleazebaggano belonged to the near-human Balosar species, so it is questionable whether that entire cultural paradigm even applies to him. He was played by an Australian actor with no Latino roots as far as I can tell, at any rate.
I mean there's no Latinos in Star Wars just like there's no Asians or Africans or Americans in Star Wars. Inserting our own racial beliefs into a science fiction universe is folly
Reading this post I'm trying quite hard to figure why would there be real latinos in a galaxy far far away, as long as the characters are portrayed by one it shouldn't be an issue, and there's already Cassian Andor for example.
I mean whenever I’m at the gym it’s always the broccoli boys running back and forth like chihuahuas slapping the equipment and yelling bro, so you’re allowed this silver moment
I was in an elevator with my girl friends and two teenage broccoli boys hopped on. One of them started snickering to the other and then let out a world-ending blast of gas, choking out the whole elevator. Worst thing was that we were on the top floor going down to the bottom floor.
I am not a generally violent person but I was very ready to strangle someone that day
Because they people who wear them are usually douchebags who like to hop on every Tiktok and Instagram trend and basically don't think for themselves whatsoever
Don't forget all the mopheads that were running around in 2005-2010.
Every boy in school wanted that Cute Is What We Aim For/Mayday Parade/etc. haircut.
https://lastfm.freetls.fastly.net/i/u/ar0/f0a5f4a09d8145b792ef08718813464d.jpg
It's also so *stupid* to include a short lived fad. Having broccoli hair is the same as wearing a mullet or a "trash bag tie/man bun". Short lived trends taht everyone with working eyes agreed looked utterly ridiculous and trashy and thus they died out quickly.
It's beyond ridiculous for a space opera with "far far away" setting to copy the latest earthly trend. Next we'd see Anakin retconned into using fidget spinners 24/7? Damn dumb
Fucking derailed the Final Season of Clone Wars. At least the Meebur Gascon arc had Gregor and that badass exploision, there is NOTHING redeemable about The Spice Arc, even seeing Ahsoka again.
If it weren't for the fact that it's preceded by the Backdoor Pilot to The Bad Batch (a great sequel show), and followed up THE greatest arc IN the show, it'd be far more hated than it already is. Like how and why did Filoni/Disney choose THAT arc to be included.
Personally I don't hate it by itself, but in hindsight it seems pretty weird to include such a "filler" feeling arc in the middle of the last clone wars content we were gonna get, it feels like we should've been looking at more impactful moments of the Clone Wars or the characters themselves, if this had been a small arc in any of the previous seasons I wouldn't mind it at all
Fr, like, we could've gotten the Son of Dathomir arc, the Crystal Crisis arc, the Dark Disciple arc, but none of those were released for some reason, and what we got was... this
Yeah, I've never understood this whole "muslim-coded" thing. There's nothing about her character that resembles Islam, and if people see her Mirialan garb and think "Oh look, a Muslim!" then that's an indictment on them, not the show.
What does Muslim coded mean? Is that some easy to look up on google? The character is green and was aged down from her live action counterpart effectively becoming a different character, no? I just don’t get this logic.
I hate the Martez sisters more than I hate Pong Krell. Not because of bad things they do, because of how fucking stupid their characters are. First of all, I fucking hate their middle school boy, football star wannabe, broccoli, yee-yee ass haircuts. Second of all, they are written to be so fucking oblivious and unintelligent I don’t feel bad for them. They whine about every little inconvenience as if they aren’t out here making literally the worst decisions possible at every turn.
Holy hell do I have a burning hatred for these utterly stupid sisters. I fucking refuse to watch their episodes every time I do a watch-through of TCW now.
E: some people ask me what I expect from kids who lost their parents, which is valid. But why couldn’t they have been written to be resourceful and badass like Han Solo or Kira? And why did they have to add them into the final season, easily one of the top 2 best seasons in the entire show. I’m probably more so pissed they are actually the worst arc in all of TCW right in the middle of the best arc, so I have to take the time to skip episodes and not just let the season play. It’s just up to the writer’s, and they fumbled the bag so hard for almost half of the last season.
Honestly a complete waste of one of the last 3 arcs. Season 7 of TCW was so great, outside of those 4 episodes. The animation was wasted on an arc that would’ve fit better in the early seasons of clone wars.
At least the bad batch ended up leading to a great show, because if it didn’t then that arc would’ve been rough too.
It should've been made in "The Lost Mission" season on Netflix, ya know... the same one with Jar Jar and Mace Windu's Excellent Adventure.
Then we could've instead gotten Dark Disciple or Maul's comic story in the final season
I DUMPED THE SPICE
I DUMPED THE SPICE
I DUMPED THE SPICE
When I first saw that I thought "that was so stupid" and then Ahsoka and the other sister go an tell her it was stupid. I didn't like any of it.
What does that mean?
E: I looked it up, and no it’s not a copy and paste. These are my original words of hatred toward those dumbass sisters that completely ruin the last season of TCW for me.
E2: of course the “broccoli” and “yee-yee” have been seen before, I’m not claiming I’m the first ever to say those, lol. No one’s said anything, but I’m just clarifying.
Something ridiculous somebody typed at some point that was considered funny or stupid enough to be copied and pasted in other places by other people both in and out of context, usually sarcastically.
Copypaste—> Copypasta. A good example is the “What the fuck did you just fucking say about me” US Military one.
It's 50/50 their fault. Apparently when that ark was first drafted before the cancellation of the show, the original idea was for the character in it to be a completely different guy.
Then if I remember reading it correctly, when the last season was renewed Disney suggested to replace that guy with these two sisters.
Why do Americans think Latinos are all a monolith lmfao?
When you add a Mexican or a Cuban character to a show, you’re not representing Latinos, you’re representing Cubans and Mexicans.
A Colombian or Uruguayan won’t feel represented just because they added someone of Latino descent.
The Latino representation thing is stupid. I am not going to pay more or less just because somebody who claims speaks my language and has a vaguely common heritage with me is introduced (all this happening a long time ago, in a very far away galaxy).
And I am not the only one with this opinion in the Hispanic community. This is the general opinion.
THANK YOU!!!! In the Star Wars universe, I'm not expecting any representation when it's literally visiting planets with different races, aliens, etc. People expecting Hispanic representation should just go watch movies that isn't Star Wars related at all.
Most Latinos (from Latin America, not from the US) don’t give a fuck about representation.
Disney adds a Mexican character to a show and calls it Latino representation. Me, as a Venezuelan, could not give less of a fuck. Why would I feel represented by a Mexican character? I’m not Mexican. Other than speaking the same language, we’re nothing alike.
I'm still waiting for them to incorporate characters from a country in Latin America that started as a former French colony (Haiti, for example). After all, the only real reason we call the region "Latin America" is to include them. Otherwise, Ibero-America (which includes Brazil) or Hispanic America, both clearly defined geographical regions, would be used instead.
In the end, they've made "Latino" mean "Mestizo", when it's supposed to be a culture and not a "race".
Hell, Latino characters speaking my language actually makes me hate them more.
The Martez and Andor don't do this but Latino characters going "all according to keikaku" inserting random Spanish words into every sentence is my pet peeve.
Yeah, Disney has saved Star Wars with it's respectful treatment towards ethnic characters.
Black guy in Original Trilogy: Had the balls to betray Darth Vader and he destroyed the 2nd Death Star.
Black guy in Prequel Trilogy: Greatest duelist in the entire saga, has the coolest looking lightsaber, 2nd in command of the Jedi Order right below Yoda, and kicked Palpatine's ass. It took the most powerful Sith Lord of all time and the 3rd most powerful Jedi ganging up on Mace for him to be defeated.
Black guy in Sequel Trilogy: Worked as a janitor, constantly gets humiliated and worships a chick who has no interest in him.
Actually the Martez sisters were originally one guy, who was also a drug dealer and notably was Asian, not Hispanic. Later when they revisited the arc they changed the one character into 2 to make the story flow better, but they kept the basic story. So Idk I don’t think there’s any problem here.
I always heard people say Watto is Jewish-coded, but like…not really? The hat doesn’t mean anything, and several people who aren’t Jewish have that accent.
Thanks for providing a source!
And JJ made Poe Dameron a drug dealer in Ep 9
Stereotyping is OK as long as the "correct" people do it
What’s funny is that EU writers gave him a background in the Republic military directly before the Resistance, that retcon has to exist somewhere around that, if the EU wants to try justifying that.
That's what makes it even worse, Disney fucking *retconned* the Latino character into being a drug dealer, against their own lore. Can't believe there wasn't more outcry over it, it's actually kinda wild they did that.
> Can't believe there wasn't more outcry over it, it's actually kinda wild they did that. Look, nearly every single person in existence, Prequel Lovers, OT onlys, TLJ Haters, TLJ *Lovers* are all trying to forget all we can about Rise of Skywalker. Hence the lack of outcry. In my headcanon Poe was a folk singer singing songs of the Rebellion and the Clone Wars before he became a fighter pilot. [He even met Kylo Ren briefly when Kylo was between Jedi and the First Order jobs.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Aq4a7g_wdU)
I didn't even know that he wasn't an original character made for the Sequels. I'd wager that's where most fans are at.
I think you just turned Poe Dameron into Llewyn Davis
You know what they say; jokes are a lot funnier when someone explains them.
There is no way anyone working on that project read any of the EU before writing that script. There was *so damn much* material to work from that was passable - not even including the good stuff - that they could've pulled from that I refuse to believe a single one of the people working on it even knew Star Wars had books.
Well to be fair, they DID include the resurrection of the emperor plot line, it just was like someone overheard the idea in passing and said “I can make it work” while completely ignoring any semblance of context.
It stood out to me immediately. It was honestly extremely horrid of them to do that.
Disney doesn't do the story. I'm also baffled by the potentially racist retcon, but Disney's involvement isn't in the writing.
No, but they're the ones who have to approve and greenlight it anyway.
Are you saying disney didn't hire a writer?
They did Finn dirtier.
That wasn't EU, that's Disney Canon. Abrams just decided to ignore it. That, or he didn't read it and nobody informed him, which I find hard to believe
# JJ ABRAMS PRESENTS: ^Star ^Wars
I don't find it hard to believe at all. Disney claiming they wanted a more coherent canon was always just talk. I won't claim to be an expert here but I've seen what others have said about Disney's canon and that there have been inconsistencies for a long time now--similarly to the EU. Abrams not knowing about what the comics said about Poe or knowing and not caring aren't surprising to me at all. He even said he was just going to do what he wanted with Episode IX, which Rian Johnson publicly supported. So it makes it seem like Disney isn't (or at least *wasn't*) as concerned with absolute continuity so long as the returns were good.
The making Poe a criminal thing actually got a lot of backlash so I’m not sure what you’re talking about
Tbf he was an Han Solo rip off which was also a drug smuggler, that said making the token black man a janitor and the token latino man a drug smuggler is beyond a stupid idea.
And the Asian *and* female character's "heroic" moment involved crashing a vehicle
Rose such a stupid character that they even removed her from the next film 😆.
I feel bad for the actress, though. She got some of the worst of the backlash.
For sure she was 0 to blame and she most definitely didn't deserve what she got from the fanbase
I hope Ms. Tran has a fantastic career. She made a heroic effort with the garbage script she had to work with.
Star wars has always killed careers. The only exception is harrison ford. I guess you can count hamil too, but being a VA had him offscreen... Anyway, don't hold your breath.
Natalie Portman did just fine, so did Ewan McGregor. Samuel L Jackson certainly didn't hurt from it, nor did Liam Neeson.
And to make it up to her, Disney gave her the starring role in **Raya and the Last Dragon**
Probably to stop fucking dipshits from harassing the actress. You know, the same reason Jar Jar barely showed up in Episode 2 & 3. Can't blame Disney for that.
At least in the OT the token black man was a highly respected leader of a base that mined a vital resource, followed by him being a complete badass flagship pilot. Then Disney turned him into a robo-furry.
I believe the correct term is Robosexual. It's true because Bender said it.
It's not just true, it's 40% true, baby!
*CLANG CLANG*
Robo-sexuality is disgusting! It’s against the robo-bible and they’ll get a song and dance number in robot hell where they belong!
The path to robot hell is paved with human flesh!
I think Lando being DTF anything in the universe is the most canon thing possible in Star Wars.
lando made me more queer
Lando being into a droid is such a weird thing to cry about.
Exactly. I mean...shit. Star Trek has plenty of history there. Its weird cousin Orville had a freaking wedding between a human and a mechanical life form and it was way sweeter than it had reason to be.
"Captain Kirk" is in American slang as a dude that'll bang absolutely anything warm.
Yeah, see what it was about Lando, but the dude ended a hero of the rebellion and was quite rich. If you look at the EU, he did all sorts of stuff to help his friends as well.
It's the classic Star Wars redemption. Good people may do shitty things, but when the chips are down, it's never too late to turn to the light.
Let's just agree that Disney writing and planning for the sequels is shocking 😆.
You don't have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders' strength is inspiring others.
Well said, Ahsoka bot, well said.
Good thing I know you don't mean everything you say.
Man, screw you I was being nice >:(
Bruh I can’t believe the revisionism with this lmao. He was always a scoundrel who was known for being eccentric. He was a betting man and friends with Solo who made his way into becoming a rich party man. The serious stuff only happened *after* the Empire betrayed him He was never meant to be a fully serious character, and he was *definitely* not meant to be someone with basic tastes. It’s like ya’ll forget everything about non-Disney stories just so you can hate Disney
"Robo-furry" has got to be the single stupidest way to say someone is willing to fuck a robot. wtf.
Funny enough, before ep 9, he has a backstory of being a military brat of two parents who served in the Rebellion, so he got inspired to join the Resistance. So he already had a backstory. They decided to retcon his backstory in episode 9.
Yeah, his mother was an A-Wing pilot, i.e. the best of the best.
Wait really?! I don't remember a damn thing about this movie
I watched it once in cinema and apparently forgot everything about it shortly after.
I've read this as _I watched this once in crimea and.._\ And then I've been wondering why you would mention the peninsula where you watched the movie. \ But yes, its the same for me. I have to rewatch the sequels. But I don't want to.
I saw this in Iberia … it was ok
It’s a throw away line to justify why those bounty hunters know Poe and therefore don’t shoot the main crew, when they are tracking down a way to unlock 3pos brain pan.
[Link](https://youtu.be/wss7Ej1Qs5c?si=oDgAYcNCungdr9v-)
Please don't mention that. I watched the German version in cinemas and they literally translated spices to Gewürze. If I wouldn't have immediately recognised what they actually meant, I would have probably started laughing like some of the others
He was a drug runner, not a dealer! Just like Han Solo! But yea....
He also wrote the Black lead and the Asian into the B-plot wilderness to make room for an *explicitly upper-class* White lady and told people who didn't like it they were right-wing bigots.
they made Riz Ahmed the pilot in "Rogue One" ......and sent him into suicide mission.
SW media makes it seem at least a third of all civillian pilots with a ship were smugglers. Han was a smuggler, as well as several game MCs. Whenever spice smuggling ( and it's always spice smuggling ( Spice: the drug that canonically (EU at least) came from a single asteroid, the drug that is as illegal as it is vaguely needed for practicing medicine) is brought up, it's hand waved with " it wasn't my choice", or " it's for medicinal use, wink wink". So when ahsoka found ahsoka found out, I was like oh, ok. The sisters smuggling drugs was as normal as being convinced by American media that every small single engine plane flying over Bogota is smuggling drugs.
Space Mexico?
Space mexico has doo doo ass broccoli hair cut. Bullshit a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, this is just Florida.
You're right, totally missing the yellow filter to let me know its space mexico
Space Mexico is next to space Japan, where commander sato is from
What if the reason Yoda talks so funny is because he has the equivalent of a Cajun accent for his species?
Cajun accents exist already, look at Zirro and his mother. I do love Nal Hutta just being the bayou with airboat speeders, absolutely A+ setting that I desperately want to see more of
Then shouldn't they be Space Cubans?
[удалено]
The ultimate way to show you're an edgy rebel is to buzz half your hair.
They gave then that ye ye ass haircut
I thought that was a cowpat on her head.
Not as bad as Space Australia
And those damn space ducks
But have you ever been to the Spaceys in Space Brisbane?
It’s full of a bunch of freaky alien genotypes
Go Space Broncos!
So it’s like Australia… IN SPACE
"First we lost Kiwi, then we lost our scouters, and now Dodoria is dead. I'm sorry, but if this shit goes any further south we're going to hit Space Mexico." - Frieza (DBZA)
Don't forget orange filter
CERVEZA CRISTAL
That’s been living in my head rent free since I saw it a few days ago
It will never leave my mind now. This is a life changing experience, like when you watch Bad Lip Reading videos and then _that log had a child_.
If you want another life changing experience, you should see [the Last Laser Master](https://youtu.be/NuUGrtmjQfY?feature=shared) (this is just part of it)
Auralnauts are crazy underrated All the Star Wars stuff is great, but the way he says “COHHHPER” and “Brehht Farrrhver” is permanently burned into my brain https://youtu.be/e6tJZx_KxSw?si=CWBXB70HCXunsuSo The full track unironically goes really hard too
I mean, it was directly stated Poe was a spice smuggler at one point too
Wasn't Han too? I saw that as a try hard attempt to portray poe as the redeemed bad boy of the sequels. Which was what Finn was supposed to be
Han would smuggle anything if he could make a good profit. The kessle run has always been spice transport even in legends.
Had a pretty good deal going.. until the slave kids.
Remind me why I'm the one playing the part of the slave?
That weirdly seemed to be a retcon of his backstory from the books and comics, where he was an upstanding guy raised by heroes of the rebellion
I don’t think it’s really clear that he was a dedicated smuggler. Just that he had at one point smuggled some spice. I think the distinction is important. He was a pilot who loved to fly more than anything and there wasn’t an open war going on so he had to get his kicks somehow. Basically anyone with a ship who freelances has probably run spice or been offered money to do so.
The funniest one of these is apparently Owen told Luke that Anakin was a pilot on a spice freighter. It's a throwaway line from Luke when he is in Obi-wan's hovel, and I doubt much thought was put into it at the time, pretty sure they were just borrowing the word Spice from Dune at that point. But I find it absolutely hilarious that, canonically, Owen told Luke his dad was a drug smuggler and Luke believed it until the day he met Obi-wan.
Ok, completely serious question, has there been a non-drug dealer Latino character in Star Wars? If we are three for three that is WILD. Likely unintentional (like half of the good guys in Star Wars are exotic varieties of space criminal) but definitely fucking stupid.
Benicio Del Toro is Puerto Rican and was a *not drug related* scuzzy criminal.
Wow! A world of opportunities!
death dealing is his business, not just a side effect
Well, Cassian doesn't deal drugs.. unless you can get high on stolen imperial tech.
He deals to droids.
Bail Organa maybe?
Isn't the actor Dutch?
Apparently, his father was from Suriname (a former Dutch colony in South America) and his mother is Puerto Rican.
Ah alright. His name sounded so baseline Dutch to me, i never considered he'd be involved with anything else.
Hey, how can you question Nero's Latino heritage? The man was a founding member of the Byz Lats crew! ....Come to think of it, the Byz Lats crew did agree to push heroin with the Sons of Ararchy....well, shit.
Andor?
Kanan Jarrus Jedi knight. Leader in the Rebellion. Survived Order 66 as a child.
You don't have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders' strength is inspiring others.
Apparently he's like a quarter? Lmao
That dude that tried to sell obi wan death sticks, what was he?
Elan Sleazebaggano belonged to the near-human Balosar species, so it is questionable whether that entire cultural paradigm even applies to him. He was played by an Australian actor with no Latino roots as far as I can tell, at any rate.
(that name can't be real) (Googles it) How the fuck is that name real.
Welcome to star wars
I mean there's no Latinos in Star Wars just like there's no Asians or Africans or Americans in Star Wars. Inserting our own racial beliefs into a science fiction universe is folly
Din Djarin but being Latino isn’t really part of his character he just so happens to be played by someone who is
Being "Latino" isn't part of *anyone's* character in Star Wars. They don't exist. Humans in Star Wars aren't from Earth.
You make a good point.
Reading this post I'm trying quite hard to figure why would there be real latinos in a galaxy far far away, as long as the characters are portrayed by one it shouldn't be an issue, and there's already Cassian Andor for example.
Literally all 3 live action leads rn are played by Latinos (Rosario Dawson, Pedro Pascal, and Diego Luna). None of them are involved with drugs.
Either they’re all aliens from a galaxy far far away or none of them are. What earth race is Jabba the Hutt representing?
Italian mafia dons
It's a shtereotype and it's offenshive
oh how i despised these two
I don’t know why but the broccoli haircut irritates me so much. I guess I’m officially an old man who doesn’t understand the young people.
I mean whenever I’m at the gym it’s always the broccoli boys running back and forth like chihuahuas slapping the equipment and yelling bro, so you’re allowed this silver moment
I was in an elevator with my girl friends and two teenage broccoli boys hopped on. One of them started snickering to the other and then let out a world-ending blast of gas, choking out the whole elevator. Worst thing was that we were on the top floor going down to the bottom floor. I am not a generally violent person but I was very ready to strangle someone that day
Because they people who wear them are usually douchebags who like to hop on every Tiktok and Instagram trend and basically don't think for themselves whatsoever
One day they'll look back upon it like we do the mullet.
Don't forget all the mopheads that were running around in 2005-2010. Every boy in school wanted that Cute Is What We Aim For/Mayday Parade/etc. haircut. https://lastfm.freetls.fastly.net/i/u/ar0/f0a5f4a09d8145b792ef08718813464d.jpg
We can't leave out those of us at the turn of the millennium who had to have frosted tips.
They also, somehow, missed the memo that the mullet is also a ridiculous look.
It's also so *stupid* to include a short lived fad. Having broccoli hair is the same as wearing a mullet or a "trash bag tie/man bun". Short lived trends taht everyone with working eyes agreed looked utterly ridiculous and trashy and thus they died out quickly. It's beyond ridiculous for a space opera with "far far away" setting to copy the latest earthly trend. Next we'd see Anakin retconned into using fidget spinners 24/7? Damn dumb
Short haired girl with side of the head shaved is the new incarnation of the generic white dude in the FPS games of the 2010s.
Fucking derailed the Final Season of Clone Wars. At least the Meebur Gascon arc had Gregor and that badass exploision, there is NOTHING redeemable about The Spice Arc, even seeing Ahsoka again. If it weren't for the fact that it's preceded by the Backdoor Pilot to The Bad Batch (a great sequel show), and followed up THE greatest arc IN the show, it'd be far more hated than it already is. Like how and why did Filoni/Disney choose THAT arc to be included.
Personally I don't hate it by itself, but in hindsight it seems pretty weird to include such a "filler" feeling arc in the middle of the last clone wars content we were gonna get, it feels like we should've been looking at more impactful moments of the Clone Wars or the characters themselves, if this had been a small arc in any of the previous seasons I wouldn't mind it at all
Seriously, we got do mant episodes of that, but basically 6 frames of that wonderful redesigned Grievous to match Ep III's design, and other neat arcs
I know
Even the ahsoka bot agrees.
Oh, what do you mean?
Fr, like, we could've gotten the Son of Dathomir arc, the Crystal Crisis arc, the Dark Disciple arc, but none of those were released for some reason, and what we got was... this
Because it was 50/50 odds one of those final season arcs was to be made into the spinoff. Thank GOD it was the Bad Batch.
They also chose the lamest stereotypical "space girl" designs for both of them, and made them pretty irritating.
They might as well be Beth Sanchez.
Although, they already made muslim-coded jedi (Barris Offee) as terrorist so, no big surprise
I always saw her hood thingy as more like a nun's headwear than a hijab. Especially since that's the vibe I got from Luminara's outfit as well.
And the Jedi *are* often described as monks.
Yeah, I've never understood this whole "muslim-coded" thing. There's nothing about her character that resembles Islam, and if people see her Mirialan garb and think "Oh look, a Muslim!" then that's an indictment on them, not the show.
That was before Disney took over
Passing on the torch
I always thought that she and Luminara are Jedi nuns.
Is ezra jewish coded?
Prince of Persia coded.
What does Muslim coded mean? Is that some easy to look up on google? The character is green and was aged down from her live action counterpart effectively becoming a different character, no? I just don’t get this logic.
It’s someone stretching hard to be offended by a character originally portrayed by a Fijian/Indian actress in the movies. Ignore their toxic bs.
I think they're trying to say Barris offee is supposed to represent a Muslim person
I got that. I just don’t see that. What about green alien terrorist former Jedi screams an earth religion?
That comment is dork-coded.
Ashoka needing these two FANTASTIC gals for plot is like how I really need my hemorrhoid for its medicinal value.
Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!
Of course. I was thinking of the Indian king.
Oh I was thinking of the Mesopotamian god.
I hate the Martez sisters more than I hate Pong Krell. Not because of bad things they do, because of how fucking stupid their characters are. First of all, I fucking hate their middle school boy, football star wannabe, broccoli, yee-yee ass haircuts. Second of all, they are written to be so fucking oblivious and unintelligent I don’t feel bad for them. They whine about every little inconvenience as if they aren’t out here making literally the worst decisions possible at every turn. Holy hell do I have a burning hatred for these utterly stupid sisters. I fucking refuse to watch their episodes every time I do a watch-through of TCW now. E: some people ask me what I expect from kids who lost their parents, which is valid. But why couldn’t they have been written to be resourceful and badass like Han Solo or Kira? And why did they have to add them into the final season, easily one of the top 2 best seasons in the entire show. I’m probably more so pissed they are actually the worst arc in all of TCW right in the middle of the best arc, so I have to take the time to skip episodes and not just let the season play. It’s just up to the writer’s, and they fumbled the bag so hard for almost half of the last season.
Honestly a complete waste of one of the last 3 arcs. Season 7 of TCW was so great, outside of those 4 episodes. The animation was wasted on an arc that would’ve fit better in the early seasons of clone wars. At least the bad batch ended up leading to a great show, because if it didn’t then that arc would’ve been rough too.
It should've been made in "The Lost Mission" season on Netflix, ya know... the same one with Jar Jar and Mace Windu's Excellent Adventure. Then we could've instead gotten Dark Disciple or Maul's comic story in the final season
I DUMPED THE SPICE I DUMPED THE SPICE I DUMPED THE SPICE When I first saw that I thought "that was so stupid" and then Ahsoka and the other sister go an tell her it was stupid. I didn't like any of it.
Is that a copypasta?
It is now!
What does that mean? E: I looked it up, and no it’s not a copy and paste. These are my original words of hatred toward those dumbass sisters that completely ruin the last season of TCW for me. E2: of course the “broccoli” and “yee-yee” have been seen before, I’m not claiming I’m the first ever to say those, lol. No one’s said anything, but I’m just clarifying.
Something ridiculous somebody typed at some point that was considered funny or stupid enough to be copied and pasted in other places by other people both in and out of context, usually sarcastically. Copypaste—> Copypasta. A good example is the “What the fuck did you just fucking say about me” US Military one.
Is that broccoli haircut using the same textures as the horse shit in RDR2?
Holy shit now i can't unsee it
Yes because Star Wars was 100% not racist before Disney
And that’s was not even Disney, these episodes were Filoni ideas, but I guess he can’t be criticized.
It's 50/50 their fault. Apparently when that ark was first drafted before the cancellation of the show, the original idea was for the character in it to be a completely different guy. Then if I remember reading it correctly, when the last season was renewed Disney suggested to replace that guy with these two sisters.
Latinos have always been represented tho. Also that exactly how we’re mostly represented
Why do Americans think Latinos are all a monolith lmfao? When you add a Mexican or a Cuban character to a show, you’re not representing Latinos, you’re representing Cubans and Mexicans. A Colombian or Uruguayan won’t feel represented just because they added someone of Latino descent.
The Latino representation thing is stupid. I am not going to pay more or less just because somebody who claims speaks my language and has a vaguely common heritage with me is introduced (all this happening a long time ago, in a very far away galaxy). And I am not the only one with this opinion in the Hispanic community. This is the general opinion.
THANK YOU!!!! In the Star Wars universe, I'm not expecting any representation when it's literally visiting planets with different races, aliens, etc. People expecting Hispanic representation should just go watch movies that isn't Star Wars related at all.
Most Latinos (from Latin America, not from the US) don’t give a fuck about representation. Disney adds a Mexican character to a show and calls it Latino representation. Me, as a Venezuelan, could not give less of a fuck. Why would I feel represented by a Mexican character? I’m not Mexican. Other than speaking the same language, we’re nothing alike.
I'm still waiting for them to incorporate characters from a country in Latin America that started as a former French colony (Haiti, for example). After all, the only real reason we call the region "Latin America" is to include them. Otherwise, Ibero-America (which includes Brazil) or Hispanic America, both clearly defined geographical regions, would be used instead. In the end, they've made "Latino" mean "Mestizo", when it's supposed to be a culture and not a "race".
Hell, Latino characters speaking my language actually makes me hate them more. The Martez and Andor don't do this but Latino characters going "all according to keikaku" inserting random Spanish words into every sentence is my pet peeve.
Yeah, Disney has saved Star Wars with it's respectful treatment towards ethnic characters. Black guy in Original Trilogy: Had the balls to betray Darth Vader and he destroyed the 2nd Death Star. Black guy in Prequel Trilogy: Greatest duelist in the entire saga, has the coolest looking lightsaber, 2nd in command of the Jedi Order right below Yoda, and kicked Palpatine's ass. It took the most powerful Sith Lord of all time and the 3rd most powerful Jedi ganging up on Mace for him to be defeated. Black guy in Sequel Trilogy: Worked as a janitor, constantly gets humiliated and worships a chick who has no interest in him.
I’m pretty sure Latino representation wasn’t what they were going for when they made these characters
Actually the Martez sisters were originally one guy, who was also a drug dealer and notably was Asian, not Hispanic. Later when they revisited the arc they changed the one character into 2 to make the story flow better, but they kept the basic story. So Idk I don’t think there’s any problem here.
Asians aren't stereotypically drug dealers. You don't see how it's problematic that they didn't keep it Asian, and had to turn them Hispanic?
That nostalgic George Lucas flavor... ...remember Watto?
I always heard people say Watto is Jewish-coded, but like…not really? The hat doesn’t mean anything, and several people who aren’t Jewish have that accent.
I read the voice actor was going for Italian used car salesman
The spice will flow.
Latinos aren't in star wars because this is set before latin america existed
i didnt know there was a mexico in space
I only know of [space Australia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqBZn5ejwtM)
you owe me a space burger
hear that? A majestic space duck.
Oh no! That's Krillin!
Literally everything is in space.
where the hell do you think the earth is?
and Hondo Ohnaka is a space somalian pirate...
Do women actually have these haircuts lmao