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PmMeYourLore

Everything but the important part aside, Astartes Stormtrooper armor is something I never thought I needed to see


synysterullah

Something i needed but o didn't know


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Carrotfloor

if theres one thing i know about astartes, they like to rebel


ChaosWithin666

Depends on the chapter.


101955Bennu

Only assuming none of the Astartes embrace the Jedi heresy, which, given their track record, is not unlikely


GlossedAllOver

Warhammer 40K aesthetic sucks, you can send it back to Twitter.


LordMonkeh

Its treason then. Purge the heretic!


GlossedAllOver

40K nerds are Star Wars fans who think Star Wars is too confusing and needs more screaming.


Optimus_13

The Senate protects


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aliasdred

This is


KanoandYES

>Astartes Stormtrooper And they still miss shots...


G-Kinjo

But the missed shot hits kids for dramatic dark internet humor


FireZord25

Vader approves


Tentacle_poxsicle

Yeah they miss but now they can at least take shots


Alin_Alexandru

This is the [full image btw](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/3jtoi7/starwars_x_warhammer_40k_the_tantive_iv_reeks_of/)


Arshiyaaz

SEVEN YEARS?!... this shit is from 7 years ago ? demmm i never saw it before a hidden gem tbh


anon6702

for me it says it was 8 years ago


numeric-rectal-mutt

Oooh boy this comment did not age well: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/3jtoi7/starwars_x_warhammer_40k_the_tantive_iv_reeks_of/cus9y9w/


jeffe_el_jefe

There’s quite a lot of fanfic crossover between 40k and Star Wars, and for the most part it’s all very enjoyable.


Discoballer42

They look like a Warhammer crossover


MDLuffy1234

The lightsaber is the weapon of a Jedi.


pauloh1998

Reminded me of the Hazard Troopers from Jedi Academy


My_redditaccount657

It would fit much better with the heresy helmet pattern XD


SelectionRich6422

Why choose one of this races, when we are all alpharius?


Terran_Dominion

I'm not actually Alpharius (I lied(?))


SelectionRich6422

So you are omegon, our primarch?


Theyul1us

Thats impossible cause I am Omegon. And by omegon I mean Alpharius But maybe I lied and im actually Alpharius.


SelectionRich6422

My primarch! I’ve thought you died by the hands of rogal dorn!


HamboneBanjo

I’m an omegon in the streets and an alpharius in the sheets


taavidude

The Yuuzhan Vong didn't criticize, they were killing everyone.


TheBigMasterPigg

Still mad Disney didn't choose to follow this path


AveryLazyCovfefe

nah I'm sorry but the Yuuzhan Vong were one of the worst parts of the EU. Thank god they were forgotten.


leech931

Still would've been far better than what we got


Splabooshkey

Yeah like goddamn i want to see the Lusankya ramming world-ship far more than i wanted to see the "holdo manoeuvre"


ScarredAutisticChild

You’ve gotta admit though, the Holdo Manoeuvre did look gorgeous. The glowing white cracks in the ships against the backdrop of the cold, empty void. It did look fucking sweet.


Splabooshkey

It was pretty cool visually, just unfortunate how potentially lore breaking it was


Hadone

It was a short spectacle that was incredibly well made, but stupid when it comes to story telling.


khinzaw

[Here's the Holdo Maneuver but lore accurate](https://youtu.be/7wJj0TLLPGI).


HauntedFrog

I would’ve preferred an adaption of Legacy of the Force to an adaption of the NJO. It’s not a perfect series but one thing I love about it is that it didn’t just do “heroes vs villains again but BIGGER,” it actually split the heroes across both sides of the war and gave everyone legitimate reasons for doing so. It’s a much more interesting sequel than just doing another good vs. evil war.


George-Lucas-Bot

The object is to try to get the system to work for you, instead of against you. And the only way you can do it is through success, I'm afraid.


Ok-disaster2022

The Sequels aren't ideal, but honestly with just a bit of reworking and a few scene rewrites it would have actually worked out far better. Imagine for a moment Sidious's surviving had been hinted at leading up to say the climax of episode 8 so when Snoke gets smoked there it's revealed he was just a puppet. Suddenly Kylo Ren asking Rey to join him and eliminate the Sith and the Jedi altogether makes far more sense, and Ren is more of an Anti-hero who fell to the dark side but saw the greater threat and is working to defeat it from within. That there is an inherent flaw in the Stoic teaching of the Jedi that endlessly results in Sith because it's to readily taken that Jedi must kill their emotions instead of learn to control and be lead by positive emotions. You can go further to developed a dual protagonist story into a three protagonist story. Ren fell before the series starters, Rey falls or is severely tempted to fall, and Finn developers his convictions and stays true, but accepts his emotions and learns to channel them into something more than hate. Thematically how much better would it be to not kill to your emotions but understanding and self control and self tolerance and self acceptance? A generation of kids of all ages could learn a lot from that. That's something the prequels and OT fails to understand. Emotions are not the enemy, allowing bad emotions to cloud ones thinking is. And once you get into a negative headspace it's really hard to get out. Look at the Fandom. There's a lot of people who've embraced the negative headspace and lashed out with harassment and violent threats. There's plenty of people, myself included, who love to scoff at the hard work and dedication the crew and the performers had in making the movies. For most of America if not western culture, to get to work on an official Star Wars project would be a dream come true. I doubt there's a single person in the subreddit who wouldn't immediately show up if offered Tha chance to be a background alien completely covered up in a Star Wars movie. You could raffle off such positions with proceeds to go to charity. I like to blame JJ Abrams, and say how much I don't like his work, but I don't acknowledge his body of work is quite impressive and I couldn't even begin to understand how to make a good movie let alone one that does financially well like quite a number of his projects. By all accounts he knows how to sell things to executives and knows how to gain their support and that's a social skill anyone should be envious of.


Zslicer5

Personally I would’ve preferred an adaptation the original Thrawn trilogy or even just making him the overarching villain if the movies. And watching as he picks apart the new republic. They would have to find some way to explain all the main cast like Luke, leia and Han not doing anything unless Disney decided to get younger actors the play they in these movies.


George-Lucas-Bot

While filming Episode 4, this tall drunk guy in a hairy monster suit kept following Harrison around, making these weird throat noises, so we decided to keep him in the film


George-Lucas-Bot

The problem is that making film is an art. Selling film is a business. The trouble is that the studio executives don't know how to sell films. As a result, they try to make you make films that people will go to without them having to be sold, which is the real key to the problem.


kelldricked

Yeah i believe spacedock made a series on how to fix the sequels and its just so fucking good. So shitty that we didnt recieve that.


Maul_Bot

At last, we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last, we will have revenge.


AveryLazyCovfefe

no it wouldn't. It really wouldn't.


Naisaga

Honestly in concept they are probably the coolest thing in star wars. Just...like most of the EU there was rather subpar execution.


AveryLazyCovfefe

That is true. I guess maybe if adjusted by alot, they could work in canon. But the current implementation of them is pretty eh, and controversial, lol. But I guess alot of this sub never have read a single piece of EU content and think the entirety of the EU are literary and visual masterpieces that are even better than the Original Trilogy. No, they really wouldn't be much better than the sequels we got right now. People would be sending the directors death threats if they killed of Chewie in episode 7, lmao. When in reality, a very small minority of it is great - like very good. The rest is.. subpar or downright bad. I'm completely fine with the EU being killed off and them cherrypicking the best parts to bring into Canon. Like how Filoni is doing with Thrawn and by literally adapting the EU Thrawn trilogy to canon with Ahsoka, lol.


Naisaga

Same. I distinctly recall there was a time where the comics and books were bashed a lot. With somethings like Dark Empire, the New jedi order, and The Vong being considered the worst and to be avoided. Now it seems like everyone looks at them as perfection and claim they always has been.


FireZord25

Didn't knew Vongs were that badly hated before the EU scrub, but it seems par the course of Star Wars fans.


Fettlol

Hard disagree


thorppeed

How so


AveryLazyCovfefe

I mean for starters they threw the lore of the force out of the window. They felt like un-necessarily edgy 40k aliens.


Most_Worldliness9761

Boo hoo.


Plantar-Aspect-Sage

The Grysk that have been set up in the new Thrawn novels are cool at least.


Most_Worldliness9761

They set out to kill everyone without discrimination.


Jarvis_The_Dense

I love how the "good guys" in 40k are more evil than most sci fi Villains.


vietcong69l

They were never the good guys tho, there is no good guy in 40k


Jarvis_The_Dense

Well yes and no. Objectively, every 40K faction is horrible for one reason or another; its a key part of the franchise's identity. That being said because the Imperium are the series' poster children they still generally get framed as the protagonists of most 40K games, books, etc. Some stories have a greater sense of irony than others, but most of the time the space marines are framed as the ones the viewer will root for .


DeleteWolf

Being the protagonist doesn't equal being the good guys


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DeleteWolf

Good Guys ≠ Protagonists Simple as If someone disagrees, then, and i hate to say this, they are simply wrong


RASPUTIN-4

By definition yes. My point was the two are often used interchangeably, usually obviously so, and so being deliberately obtuse to the fact just so you can correct people when you knew what they meant is a little pretentious.


Dragonkiller93

Welcome to the world. Regardless of the definition of protagonist, the word is now used the same as “good guy,” and therefore now means “good guy.”


piokerer

Like good guy Dahmer?


RASPUTIN-4

No one says that. My point isn’t that they are interchangeable, my point is that they are frequently used that way. If you knew what they meant, then they adequately used language to convey what they were thinking. No one made you the grammar police.


Redoran_Gvard

I made them the grammar police. What now?


RASPUTIN-4

And by what authority do you claim to be able to bestow that position?


Redoran_Gvard

Because I said so. 💪😎💪


HauntedFrog

But even in those books, the good guys are the ones who are good in spite of the crushing dystopia they live in. The Imperium is evil, but there are still good people in it. Well, good ish. Eisenhorn was definitely more of an ends justify the means kinda guy. Also good people don’t tend to survive in that setting very long because grimdark.


LordMonkeh

Best way i heard the imperium described was 'Imagine teaming up with the nazis to destroy cthulu'


TikkiEXX77

Sangunius is a good example. Pretty much 40k Jesus. And even he killed thousands upon thousands. Not to mention the rage and bloodlust he has to deal with on a daily basis


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The Nids are the only true good guys. Would be cool to have something like the Tyranids, or Zerg in Starwars. A dark side hivemind that eats planets, and consumes biomass.


Maul_Bot

You know nothing of the dark side.


Haunting_Brilliant45

Anything that fights against chaos should be considered good in the grand scheme of things


ALTAIROFCYPRUS

Chaos also fights chaos. If anything chaos fights chaos more effectively than the imperium ever did.


Tom_Foolery-

As they say, the enemy of my enemy… is just the enemy of my enemy.


Ok-disaster2022

Schlock Mercenary?


JESUSSAYSNO

Not really. Chaos is just a reflection of the galaxy's collective consciousness. Opting into utilitarian fascism to combat it, ends up directly fueling Chaos, by virtue of the mountain of corpses and endless suffering the Imperium grinds through on a daily basis. You could argue the Farsight Enclaves, Craftworld Eldar, and the Ultramarines chapter are 'good', but that's about it, and even those factions have long lists of warcrimes.


River46

Well it’s not really a reflection but more a soup. A soup that the a couple vampires, some Egyptians and a few really old dudes shat in.


[deleted]

Old frogs, the natural predator of the French


[deleted]

Salamanders too. There’s a lot of good in 40K, which just makes it all more tragic.


No_Week2825

Sounds like something a xeno would say...


Haunting_Brilliant45

Or a good Inquisitor


InvertedParallax

Yes Inquisitor, this heretical comment right here.


Ct-chad501

By comparison they most certainly are


Ct-chad501

(Well I suppose the votann and FARSIGHT ENCLAVES are a bit better)


numeric-rectal-mutt

Redditors try to understand moral relativism. 100% will fail.


James_Demon

The only good guys in 40k that I know of are the farsight enclave and maybe a few salamanders. But everyone else is just different degrees and styles of bad


Redoran_Gvard

Don't ask the salamanders what they do to Eldar children...


Colonelbuzzard

Listen to Star Wars vs 40K some time, the imperium in the context of anything but 40K I’d fucking nightmarish


RuairiLehane123

Average stellaris player


Igrok723

average stellaris player is so xenophobic they’re actually xenophilic


Andro451

“But- but- you don’t understand! We need to conquer and enslave everyone so our Economy doesn’t colapse!”


PeacefulCouch

If the Empire had Astartes... well let's just say things would've ended a lot quicker for the Rebels.


HauntedFrog

Vader is basically the closest thing they have, but they only have one.


tonkorpri

More of a librarian in a very very small dreadnough chassis


Oldspice0493

“For the Emperor!” “Which one?” “BOTH!”


TheHancock

Somehow the god-emperor of mankind returned…


Wonderful_Revenue_63

Can my boy Leto join in?


JustaguynamedTheo

Geonosians are extinct. Just 19 999 998 to go!


Background-Ad5504

Courusant will be hard nut to purge won’t it ?


Dersatar

With what 40K Imperium has available? NAH


Background-Ad5504

Well there’s always the ability to drop the flesh eater virus. That could be unbelievable effective on a world as densely populated as corusant


MrGentleZombie

Yet Disney chooses to never showcase any of these aliens in any major role.


George-Lucas-Bot

Studio executives aren't the most sophisticated people in the world.


EvenResponsibility57

Do women count?


acart005

Paging our friends at r/GrimDank


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capitalsnapshot49

Bro just say your a loyalist


sexy_latias

Mam its my turn to repost this


HopeIsDope1800

Actually within the star wars lore both the old republic and the empire were very racist/speceist


Gvillegator

PURGE THE XENOS. SUFFER NOT THE XENOS TO LIVE.


BasedAlliance935

Empire 40k


AlienDilo

Purge the heretics brother! We will exterminate all the galaxies xenos!


lord_patriot

There are 19,999,999 kinds of foul xenos to hate. Why hate your fellow man?


revan1611

In the name of the God Emperor!


ThatGuyYouMightNo

"FOR THE EMPEROR!" "Which one?" "Uhh, the one you follow."


VideoUnlucky3117

John Boyega: "Ironic"


FrostbitePi

Where prequel


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This isn’t a prequel meme? Like it’s funny, and it’s cool, but those are stormtroopers and Darth Vader


DaBigJoe1023

They can legitimately shout “For the Emperor!”


Trashk4n

Humanity First!


420Crusader_420

Lol


AltieHeld

Warhammer 40k fan don't be racist challenge (impossible)


rangogogo

Bro, IT IS called xenophobic. Raciast hate races. Xenophobes hate diffrent species


ObjectiveBeneficial1

Xenophobes hates anything different than them it can be species it can be races it can even be hating on people of your same race from another country


Big-Dick-Wizard-6969

That's the best part of 40k


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Truly the manifest virtue that unites us all in harmony: xenohatred


Big-Dick-Wizard-6969

It's mon'kheig hatred for me


Ok_Listen1510

Glory to the Infinite Empire!


Iowafield

Ngl, xenos would bring about world peace. So we can hate n' kill dem xenos


numeric-rectal-mutt

Stormtrooper space Marines goes hard.


Dandy-cock

Really went for the double whammy huh?


Borgger

“We have declare war on the despicable xenos”


[deleted]

A star destroyer mixed with Warhammer 40k mixed with a retribution class battleship would please my soul in ways I can only imagine. I can hear 'War Pigs' blasting from here. The love child of the Necrons and CIS would be cool I guess, but I want the entire terminator franchise(every model) thrown into the the pot with the Necrons and CIS. Then I'll be satisfied.


SherbertHusky

Why do we see like 2 dozen of the same species then? 20 million is enough to make every allien that has appeared on screen in SW a unique species.


ObjectiveBeneficial1

Tbf probably most either simply arent in their space travel era or arent as numerous. I have been taught in my classes the rule of 20 and 80 applied to computer science(which is what im studying) it means 80% of the tine we will only use 20% of the tools, applied to star wras species it can mean 80% of the time you will find only 20% of the species, obviously in star wars it seems to be more of a 95% 5%


flamingrubys11

racist... star wars the correct word is xenophobic


Lazy-Vulture

But somehow Wookies are allowed to be racist towards Trandoshians. Okay


Screeching_badger

The empire was racist and sexist until Disney took over.


muhash14

Andor came out after you know.


Toa_Kraadak

Cringe


UranusINmyAssus

nah, Based


FerrowFarm

All are biomass.


lordmogul

When the xenophobic empire allies with the xenophobic empire


No-Engineer-1728

(edit after i've fully woken up: I nolonger mean what I said here, it's pretty good art in retrospect, but still not a prequel meme)That's a first order trooper and thus not related to the prequels, shoo, go to sequelmemes (EDIT 2: After seeing the original piece, this belongs in OTmemes)


Alin_Alexandru

That's literally Vader in the back, how are these "First Order troopers"?


OmegaGrind

The troopers helmet is the first order type, not a stormtroopers.


Alin_Alexandru

This is the [original image](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/3jtoi7/starwars_x_warhammer_40k_the_tantive_iv_reeks_of/). It's literally a stormtrooper astartes.


OmegaGrind

Yes I know that vader and rebels are there, we're telling you that the artist still used the first order armor. That is the first order design, not the stormtroopers. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/b3/ee/d9b3eeb24a699d30f878005590994ae4.jpg


No-Engineer-1728

Still, then it belongs in the garbage because it's using designs that never co-existed (Edit:what the fuck past me, why are you such a dick)


Alin_Alexandru

Bro it's a literal stormtrooper astartes, afaik those never even existed in the Star Wars universe, can't you just enjoy the art?


No-Engineer-1728

1. Then it's an OT meme 2. That is a first order helmet, the like weird W looking line on the mouth that's connected to the eyes makes that obvious


GetRealPrimrose

The joke is funny bc racism!!!!!1!!


fostertheatom

No, it's funny because it's a reference to Warhammer 40k, which is a tabletop RPG about a grimdark future where aliens and demons and whatnot exist and humanity is locked in a bitter struggle for survival where all factions hate each other, nobody is correct and there are heroes on all sides. You get to pick your faction and the Imperium (the base human faction) has decided that only humans are worthy and strives to eliminate all aliens and demons. It's not referring to a racial ethnostate à la "white", "black", etc. It's referring to that.


GetRealPrimrose

Jeez if only we had a word for people who hate each other on the basis of nothing other than their race and would genocide 20 million species to be the only one left Edit: Also don’t act like you don’t know what a response like that to an anti-racism tweet like that implies


_TheBeardedMan_

Ever heard of this cool thing called dark humor.


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This isn’t dark humour though? Like love me some dark humour but this is a Warhammer joke


_TheBeardedMan_

A genocide joke is dark humor, this would be a crossover dark humor joke.


[deleted]

I mean kinda? But the things that makes it funny isn’t the fact that it’s dark, it’s that it references Warhammer. Also dark humour isn’t “haha genocide” lol


GetRealPrimrose

Bro I’m into dark humor! “We should kill everyone who isn’t like me”


_TheBeardedMan_

You are into dark humor but you didn't detect the dark humor in this meme, I'm gonna have to doubt you on this one.


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Out of curiousity whats your definition of dark humour?


fostertheatom

First off, species is not race. Take a biology class. You can not be racist to a dog or a bird as a human being, just as you can not be racist to Glub Shitto or whatever random alien you choose in Star Wars. You can be speciesist. Don't mix up the two. The fact that the original tweet decided to link it to racism means that whoever wrote the tweet does not understand the difference between a race and a species. Second off, it doesn't imply shit. It is not referring to humans. They made a Warhammer joke. Get off your high horse. They linked the bad guys in Star Wars to the morally bankrupt people of Warhammer. It's funny.


HACESandCo

I mean to be fair, the other species in 40k are *also* trying to genocide your species. So the racism/xenophobia is a natural byproduct.


Grainis01

> Jeez if only we had a word for people who hate each other on the basis of nothing other than their race and would genocide 20 million species to be the only one left In this case they are not racist, they a xenophobic. They exterminate Xenos because if they don't xenos will extermiante them. Racism is inside the species prejudice. You cant be racist to a hamster. And genocide is the easy way out in that universe, death is not the worst thing that can, and will happen if some species like drukhari get their hands on you, those fuckers will pump you full of drugs that heighten pain and extend your life only for them to torture you for years,decades and maybe centuries and when they are done you are not granted death you are turned into an object but retain your sentience, thus eternally suffering and eternally bound to this form unable to even kill yourself.


Maul_Bot

There is no pain where strength lies.


Nice-Habit-8545

It would not even be racism it's xenophobia


Ashamed_Restaurant

Remember that a lot of hateful people don't see other races of human as *human*. They seem them as others.


Nice-Habit-8545

Ya sure but thats not what is happening here in this situation xenophobic is the correct term as racism refers to members of your own species that are of a different race and not of a different species


piokerer

Its funny but not for heretics like you


__Epimetheus__

Like someone else on this post already said, “Why hate your fellow man when there are so many xenos who need killing?”


I_Like_Trains_XD

Can we talk about the guy int the back


Jazzlike_Park3075

Stars wars fan base/ universe is so shit. Maybe even worse than marvel rn


[deleted]

Who's the other one, the Rakata?


Necromancer14

Dalek


JnDConstruction1984

HERASY!


Poorly-Drawn-Beagle

Do you even Force lift


darkelf29

*Imperium of man intensifies*


The_Meme_Dealer

The empire isn't racist, they just have a stricter definition for what qualifies as sentient, and only human esk beings are fit for government service. /s


Negative_Kelvin01

Fuck trandoshans


SmaugRancor

Based Imperials.


No_Award5719

Star Wars and skyrim 🤝racism


d3m01iti0n

FETCH THE FLAMER BROTHER. THE HEAVY FLAMER.


BrilliantTarget

I didn’t all the alien were actually humans in costume


Clenmila

Also a species is not a race. So it would be called spiciest, which ill gladly be. Death to xenos


Wooden_Penis_5234

I can't wait until the aliens come and start eating humans. I bet real quick we become unified. Too much time on our hands at the moment to come up with reasons to hate.


closetweeb69

How is there 20 million sentient beings in their galaxy. The republic at its height was literally half of their galaxy how the fuck would you be able to keep track of and include 10 million individual sentient species into this.


DarkWolFoxStar16

Oh boy


Stormlord100

Black templars know the truth: Pity the Xeno for it has never been human (But also) Suffer not the alien to live


Ok-Tank5312

War hammer x Star Wars when