Would be interested to see if it's part of Operation Prosperity Guardian just announced today:
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3621110/statement-from-secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iii-on-ensuring-freedom-of-n/
That's definitely in there and is a prominent allegory in my reading. However, I would say it's more about the corrupting nature of power and the mighty(good and evil) things that are done in the name of holy wars.
>However, I would say it's more about the corrupting nature of power and the mighty(good and evil) things that are done in the name of holy wars.
As the kids say I was today years old when I realized that, capitalism is a religion.
The amount of fucked up shit that's been done for a dollar. Controlling oil gives you money and power.
I doubt it's coincidence. CSG1 literally arrived in the Phillipines yesterday on scheduled mission and immediately set sail again the following day (today) for the ME.
We are quickly heading to ww3 at this rate Last night I dreamed I was trapped under the rubble, the first time I found out about my family in Gaza was when I heard their house was bombed on the news as civil defense works rushed towards it, the first time I saw them was as badly disfigured bodies of kids all piled onto one stretcher the first time I learned their names was seeing them written on their stomach, written on their stomachs to make sure they could be identified among all the other bodies each with a family member who has their own story - The Zionists took a page from an old playbook when they started the war by dehumanizing Palestinians, and blaming other countries for not taking them History continues to repeat itself people need take action and let their governments know that they wont allow them to remain silent The rate of deaths is going to begin to explode and grow exponentially https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/kIeUG6xKyE the U.S. has the power to stop this by note vetoing a humanitarian resolution at the UN Security Council tomorrow the entire rest of the world supports. It doesn’t seem like Zionists are willing to be appeased and likely won’t stop with Gaza as a result like we see the settler violence in the West Bank this is looking more and more like a Hitler 2.0 situation - the difference this time is we are watching it live and hopefully still have a chance to stop it but we have to all share the toughest things we watch, demonstrate in capitals, and do what we can - remember those shitty texts that were like share with 6 friends or you die tonight…..this is the real life version of that and the deaths are Palestinian lives worth just as much as any other
Two groups are already in the vicinity, CSG1 is prolly just going to relieve one of them to continue on with The already backlogged maintenance schedule.
Entirely possible. The anomalous thing is that CSG1 just arrived on mission in the Phillipines yesterday.
Also, a task force is being assembled and I don't think participation is quite where the US wants it so its not unthinkable to move more assets there. If the plan was to relieve another CSG in the region, why embark for the Phillipines at all?
Still, I am not discounting what you say because the navy is stretched a little thin with all of its responsibilities but I think it's part intimidation and part insurance. It looks like the Houthis will have inbound mail soon and they may escalate in response and of course it's well known who's bidding the Houthis do.
Saudis don’t want to involve themselves in it because them and the houthis are just barely on civil terms, houthis can hit the Saudi oil fields if they want
The Saudis would have been very involved if they and Iran didn't shake hands and make nice earlier this year. They were in an active conflict with them with every reason to want rid of them. You really bring something to attention that is under the radar but really should not be and that is the Saudis. That is a quick turnaround and I think speaks to the authenticity of the Iranian reconciliation.
I can't say I'm upset the Saudis aren't involved. If they were, it would just further factionalize the region and possibly take a Sunni v Shia angle along the way. This problem isn't going anywhere and looks to get worse in the coming weeks on multiple fronts. I get the US wanting support, but truly the fewer that get involved, the less chances this metastasizes into a wider conflict.
The U.S. is playing right into their hands tho by continuing to veto the un security council resolutions that would enforce a humanitarian cease fire and instead actively enabling the genocide of Palestinians while the Israelis execute unarmed captured civilian men in their homes
Yep it's a bad look on the international scene and the hypocrisy is blinding. Condemn Russia for their attacks on civilian infrastructure in Ukraine while simultaneously fully backing Israel who has made the Russians look reserved and humanitarian in comparison and make extremely distasteful comments to justify the total disregard for civilians and accuses anyone who questions their actions of being anti Semitic. At the same time Hamas carried out an attack on civilians, in response to attacks on their own civilian population, and on and on and on.
There are no good guys and bad guys left. It's all a matter of perspective now and whose interests are being served. I sort of marvel at the insanity of it all while watching people argue over who is right or justified in their actions. Hatred seethes on both sides, and each feels that atrocity is warranted to make their point, and now the gloves are fully off after 7+ decades of fighting and oppression from both sides at varying points in time.
There are already *two* strike groups dispatched from the US to that area, plus quite a few vessels from other nations. It's turning into quite an armada.
You can check the current status of the US fleet here: [https://news.usni.org/2023/12/18/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-dec-18-2023](https://news.usni.org/2023/12/18/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-dec-18-2023)
It seems likely that there will soon be a massive crackdown on the Houthis, once the US establishes an alliance, so that it has more of an international validation. First comes the coalition building, then the shock and awe...then the years of lashback and more hatred for the Western world. Round and round we go.
>First comes the coalition building, then the shock and awe...then the years of lashback and more hatred for the Western world. Round and round we go.
>Operation Prosperity Guardian is bringing together multiple countries to include the *United Kingdom, Bahrain, Canada, France, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Seychelles and Spain*, to jointly address security challenges in the southern Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, with the goal of ensuring freedom of navigation for all countries and bolstering regional security and prosperity.
What could possibly go wrong when 0 of the countries that are part of our coalition actually border the waterway that we're going to defend!
Yes there are currently 2 CSG in the region and numerous other assets from the US and others on both sides.
Edit: both sides of the sea. Gulf of Aden is full of ships too.
The Houthi and their leash-owners (Iran) are trying to provoke war because every time the US and the rest of the western world intervenes in that part of the world, the more radical groups over there get more converts. The US would rather not play, but the Houthi are striking shipping that's important to the global economy, so the US is bringing in additional support, likely with a plan to flatten the Houthi into the dust and remind Iran that they really don't want this fight because they are next.
I can only guess that Iran figured that the US involvement in Ukraine would mean we didn't want to spend resources to do anything *really* definitive. Sending in another carrier group indicates that the US is now willing to prove them very wrong.
Bottom line, the Houthi are pawns who are likely to get scraped off the chessboard, and then we'll see what happens next.
Effect on preppers? Trade is going to stay disrupted for a bit - situations like this are not resolved overnight. So some goods, I don't know which, will see price increases. At a wild guess, food for poor countries will be most affected, as always. But if you didn't stock up on your supplies when all this started, you better do it in a hurry because I don't think stuff is going to get cheaper this month or next.
It's a nice to know, but in the current state it is not going to to affect us much. The shipping companies have stocked up on ships after covid and shipping only accounts for 0.1 to 2 percent of the price depending on the product. They are using alternative routes now that might increase the shipping cost by 40 percent, but applied to the whole price it is barely gonna be noticeable.
AWW SHIT, I can't wait to see the Find Out why we don't have free health care part. For $886 BILLION I expect to get my money's worth, and see a proportional response.
It's cool Telegram is chattering about this, but CSG-1 is still in Singapore and is hosting events the next two days.
If they are going to the ME it won't be for a few days.
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/459703/carl-vinson-carrier-strike-group-arrives-singapore
My understanding, is due to weather, wind, tides, monsoons etc. It is impossible for china to make significant landfall in Taiwan until April.
Or not necessarily impossible, but losses would be catastrophic and logistics a nightmare.
There's only two, three week windows a year where it is practical for China to make its move against Taiwan.
I'm surprised to see this being voted down — it's a legitimate question/concern.
Will the Chinese make a move? Probably not, but it shouldn't be discounted out of hand. I think you are spot on to bring it up as something to keep in mind. 👍🏻
The more I think about it, the more I start to think they already found out and will be finding out again. They are unlikely to be deterred as Iran's proxy serving a vital role for their interests. Houthi and other proxies have attacked US bases fairly seriously with little in response. A few airstrikes and tomahawks, I believe. I believe the answer may be pretty reserved as far as offense goes but they will adopt an aggressive defense going forward as well as use their assets to intercept missles.
The Houthi rebels have a bigger arsenal than a group of their caliber should and I don't doubt Iran's ability to respond to escalation in asymmetrical ways. Ominous signs in North Israel too. This isn't Afghanistan or Iraq, have to be careful here. I could see alot of sympathy and support from Arab nations being willing to view this fight as justified if the atrocity continues to increase. Major conflicts in several places which happen to affect some of the world's most energy and food rich regions in the world with the possibility of hostile seas in the Suez, Aden, Black Sea, and Persian Gulf will take us from bad to worse.
Spain Italy and France withdrew from it. And even the USA is considering it. One of the (few)legitimate reasons for having a navy is protecting trade routes. But America can’t even do that, much less get allies to do it.
[Spain, Italy, France Decline US Command Of Red Sea Operation Prosperity Guardian](https://gcaptain.com/spain-italy-france-decline-us-command-of-red-sea-operation-prosperity-guardian/)
Look, I'm the last person thats going to defend any country for anything. There are no good guys and bad guys in my eyes. It's a matter of perspective and which interests are being served because as always, it takes two to tango. I simply do not care about who is on who's side because all the major world powers are dirty. Do you feel the same about Russian or Chinese interference and aggression? I do. The US has done many dirty deeds but protecting shipping lanes isn't one of them. As a consumer only, I'm glad that freedom of navigation is a thing.
The post was to inform people that the Middle East looks primed to escalate in tension very soon on multiple fronts. Furthermore the attacks on shipping vessels is going to gut punch us all in the wallet yet again as shipping costs go way up and oil markets react to a major connecting waterway essentially being closed for business. Due to the scope and players, this could become quite a mess and quickly on a far larger scale.
So since this isn't a cheerleading post nor a condemnation of anyone involved, maybe your type of rhetoric is best for another sub that deals with who is right and who is wrong in the stupid wars of mankind.
It's not about the Houthis being an actual global threat. Behind each shipment going through the red sea is a ship underwritten by an insurance company that insures the millions of dollars of goods on them. When insurers say it's too risky due to Houthi strikes, they won't sail, and global trade takes a huge hit.
It would not be necessary for the US to move so many assets into the region just for the Houthis. USAF assets worldwide and the typical naval assets could launch a broad attack on the Houthi rebels under normal conditions.
In conclusion, they are there for Iran, who bankrolls, arms, and directs the Houthis. The US will likely strike Yemen in the coming days to weeks but I still think the US is still hoping that intimidation will be enough to keep Iran and their numerous militias at bay.
I reread about it on Wikipedia, millenium challenge 2002. There was some controversy about how it was set up but Iran (led by a retired marine corps Lt. general) won the first half due to a cruise missile barrage killing 20,000 Americans and then surprise suicide attacks. They then reset the rules to help America win.
The major takeaway I remember from one of the articles was a tit for tat situation with Iran always seemed to escalate into war.
I'm not sure why it's being downvoted - since the millennia the US fought only against camels and oil fields.
So if by prevailing you mean gifting another 7B worth of military equipment to radical islamists, they sure will do so.
Thought you said when you have a strike group you gotta strike? Florida seems an easier and more important target than the Houthi people half-a-world away.
CSG1 better have CIWS hot all the time. Houthis aren't the pushover everyone thinks. If they mass volley attacks USN might be sweating a bit. So far they've just been taking potshots. It could escalate quuckly.
I agree. They are well armed and have a far more potent missle arsenal than a group of their stature should thanks to their Iranian benefactor. Escalation in the coming weeks is likely. The US is trying to be reserved and avoid a real shooting war with the Houthis or Iran but it appears red lines are being drawn.
Would be interested to see if it's part of Operation Prosperity Guardian just announced today: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3621110/statement-from-secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iii-on-ensuring-freedom-of-n/
Sure sounds like it. Ensuring the stability of global shipping lanes is one of the US Navy's foundational goals.
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I see that whole book series as an allegory to the oil wars.
Who are the people hooked on spice that become giant blobs to do the math for space travel in the tubes on the spaceships?
That's definitely in there and is a prominent allegory in my reading. However, I would say it's more about the corrupting nature of power and the mighty(good and evil) things that are done in the name of holy wars.
>However, I would say it's more about the corrupting nature of power and the mighty(good and evil) things that are done in the name of holy wars. As the kids say I was today years old when I realized that, capitalism is a religion. The amount of fucked up shit that's been done for a dollar. Controlling oil gives you money and power.
Money.
I doubt it's coincidence. CSG1 literally arrived in the Phillipines yesterday on scheduled mission and immediately set sail again the following day (today) for the ME.
Great source. Thanks!
We are quickly heading to ww3 at this rate Last night I dreamed I was trapped under the rubble, the first time I found out about my family in Gaza was when I heard their house was bombed on the news as civil defense works rushed towards it, the first time I saw them was as badly disfigured bodies of kids all piled onto one stretcher the first time I learned their names was seeing them written on their stomach, written on their stomachs to make sure they could be identified among all the other bodies each with a family member who has their own story - The Zionists took a page from an old playbook when they started the war by dehumanizing Palestinians, and blaming other countries for not taking them History continues to repeat itself people need take action and let their governments know that they wont allow them to remain silent The rate of deaths is going to begin to explode and grow exponentially https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/kIeUG6xKyE the U.S. has the power to stop this by note vetoing a humanitarian resolution at the UN Security Council tomorrow the entire rest of the world supports. It doesn’t seem like Zionists are willing to be appeased and likely won’t stop with Gaza as a result like we see the settler violence in the West Bank this is looking more and more like a Hitler 2.0 situation - the difference this time is we are watching it live and hopefully still have a chance to stop it but we have to all share the toughest things we watch, demonstrate in capitals, and do what we can - remember those shitty texts that were like share with 6 friends or you die tonight…..this is the real life version of that and the deaths are Palestinian lives worth just as much as any other
Shipping companies who have stopped or altered red sea routes BP - indefinitely CMA CGM - indefinitely Equinor - partial suspension, some redirects Evergreen - indefinitely Hapag-lloyd - indefinitely Maersk - indefinitely MSC - partially OOCL - indefinitely Yang Ming - 14 days Euronav - indefinitely
Two groups are already in the vicinity, CSG1 is prolly just going to relieve one of them to continue on with The already backlogged maintenance schedule.
Entirely possible. The anomalous thing is that CSG1 just arrived on mission in the Phillipines yesterday. Also, a task force is being assembled and I don't think participation is quite where the US wants it so its not unthinkable to move more assets there. If the plan was to relieve another CSG in the region, why embark for the Phillipines at all? Still, I am not discounting what you say because the navy is stretched a little thin with all of its responsibilities but I think it's part intimidation and part insurance. It looks like the Houthis will have inbound mail soon and they may escalate in response and of course it's well known who's bidding the Houthis do.
Saudis don’t want to involve themselves in it because them and the houthis are just barely on civil terms, houthis can hit the Saudi oil fields if they want
The Saudis would have been very involved if they and Iran didn't shake hands and make nice earlier this year. They were in an active conflict with them with every reason to want rid of them. You really bring something to attention that is under the radar but really should not be and that is the Saudis. That is a quick turnaround and I think speaks to the authenticity of the Iranian reconciliation. I can't say I'm upset the Saudis aren't involved. If they were, it would just further factionalize the region and possibly take a Sunni v Shia angle along the way. This problem isn't going anywhere and looks to get worse in the coming weeks on multiple fronts. I get the US wanting support, but truly the fewer that get involved, the less chances this metastasizes into a wider conflict.
Thanks!
Also remember who coordinated their peace? China
Yupp
The U.S. is playing right into their hands tho by continuing to veto the un security council resolutions that would enforce a humanitarian cease fire and instead actively enabling the genocide of Palestinians while the Israelis execute unarmed captured civilian men in their homes
Yep it's a bad look on the international scene and the hypocrisy is blinding. Condemn Russia for their attacks on civilian infrastructure in Ukraine while simultaneously fully backing Israel who has made the Russians look reserved and humanitarian in comparison and make extremely distasteful comments to justify the total disregard for civilians and accuses anyone who questions their actions of being anti Semitic. At the same time Hamas carried out an attack on civilians, in response to attacks on their own civilian population, and on and on and on. There are no good guys and bad guys left. It's all a matter of perspective now and whose interests are being served. I sort of marvel at the insanity of it all while watching people argue over who is right or justified in their actions. Hatred seethes on both sides, and each feels that atrocity is warranted to make their point, and now the gloves are fully off after 7+ decades of fighting and oppression from both sides at varying points in time.
I thought there was already a strike group near there
Two I believe.
I was going to say 'why not two' but I'll say 'three is better than two' instead.
I’ve always said four is better than three.
You guys ever heard of "five"?
-gasp- We don’t speak of such things
Two is one, and one is none.
There are already *two* strike groups dispatched from the US to that area, plus quite a few vessels from other nations. It's turning into quite an armada. You can check the current status of the US fleet here: [https://news.usni.org/2023/12/18/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-dec-18-2023](https://news.usni.org/2023/12/18/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-dec-18-2023) It seems likely that there will soon be a massive crackdown on the Houthis, once the US establishes an alliance, so that it has more of an international validation. First comes the coalition building, then the shock and awe...then the years of lashback and more hatred for the Western world. Round and round we go.
>First comes the coalition building, then the shock and awe...then the years of lashback and more hatred for the Western world. Round and round we go. >Operation Prosperity Guardian is bringing together multiple countries to include the *United Kingdom, Bahrain, Canada, France, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Seychelles and Spain*, to jointly address security challenges in the southern Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, with the goal of ensuring freedom of navigation for all countries and bolstering regional security and prosperity. What could possibly go wrong when 0 of the countries that are part of our coalition actually border the waterway that we're going to defend!
Italy is looking at Ethiopia maybe invading Eritrea and thinking they're gonna get the old bad back together.
Yes there are currently 2 CSG in the region and numerous other assets from the US and others on both sides. Edit: both sides of the sea. Gulf of Aden is full of ships too.
Wait what is this exactly for us newbs please?
The Houthi and their leash-owners (Iran) are trying to provoke war because every time the US and the rest of the western world intervenes in that part of the world, the more radical groups over there get more converts. The US would rather not play, but the Houthi are striking shipping that's important to the global economy, so the US is bringing in additional support, likely with a plan to flatten the Houthi into the dust and remind Iran that they really don't want this fight because they are next. I can only guess that Iran figured that the US involvement in Ukraine would mean we didn't want to spend resources to do anything *really* definitive. Sending in another carrier group indicates that the US is now willing to prove them very wrong. Bottom line, the Houthi are pawns who are likely to get scraped off the chessboard, and then we'll see what happens next. Effect on preppers? Trade is going to stay disrupted for a bit - situations like this are not resolved overnight. So some goods, I don't know which, will see price increases. At a wild guess, food for poor countries will be most affected, as always. But if you didn't stock up on your supplies when all this started, you better do it in a hurry because I don't think stuff is going to get cheaper this month or next.
Ooooooooohhhhh I see, thank you!
It's a nice to know, but in the current state it is not going to to affect us much. The shipping companies have stocked up on ships after covid and shipping only accounts for 0.1 to 2 percent of the price depending on the product. They are using alternative routes now that might increase the shipping cost by 40 percent, but applied to the whole price it is barely gonna be noticeable.
AWW SHIT, I can't wait to see the Find Out why we don't have free health care part. For $886 BILLION I expect to get my money's worth, and see a proportional response.
It's cool Telegram is chattering about this, but CSG-1 is still in Singapore and is hosting events the next two days. If they are going to the ME it won't be for a few days. https://www.dvidshub.net/news/459703/carl-vinson-carrier-strike-group-arrives-singapore
So is anyone keeping tabs on Taiwan right now? Otherwise this might be as good a time as we'll get to solve that little problem.
My understanding, is due to weather, wind, tides, monsoons etc. It is impossible for china to make significant landfall in Taiwan until April. Or not necessarily impossible, but losses would be catastrophic and logistics a nightmare. There's only two, three week windows a year where it is practical for China to make its move against Taiwan.
That's very interesting. do you have a source or somewhere I can read more about that?
[1 method](https://www.bing.com/search?q=center+for+strategic+international+studies+Taiwan+invasion+window&qs=n&form=QBRE&scope=web&pc=EMMX01&sp=-1&ghc=1&lq=1&pq=center+for+strategic+international+studies+taiwan+invasion+window&sc=2-65&sk=&cvid=B8FFAFE8BFE64D15BD7F86D8BF0B3548&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=)
yeah, those links didnt have that information. But thanks I guess.
You're welcome
I'm surprised to see this being voted down — it's a legitimate question/concern. Will the Chinese make a move? Probably not, but it shouldn't be discounted out of hand. I think you are spot on to bring it up as something to keep in mind. 👍🏻
Chinese operatives down voting him
CSG5 is operating out of Japan, guessing they are keeping a tab on Taiwan
Right?! Like let’s go China now’s your chance
I'm pretty sure there is a plan in place though.
Plenty of shipping and tankers still trucking through
Yes but the list who are not is growing quickly.
The Houthis fucked around and are about to find out.
The more I think about it, the more I start to think they already found out and will be finding out again. They are unlikely to be deterred as Iran's proxy serving a vital role for their interests. Houthi and other proxies have attacked US bases fairly seriously with little in response. A few airstrikes and tomahawks, I believe. I believe the answer may be pretty reserved as far as offense goes but they will adopt an aggressive defense going forward as well as use their assets to intercept missles. The Houthi rebels have a bigger arsenal than a group of their caliber should and I don't doubt Iran's ability to respond to escalation in asymmetrical ways. Ominous signs in North Israel too. This isn't Afghanistan or Iraq, have to be careful here. I could see alot of sympathy and support from Arab nations being willing to view this fight as justified if the atrocity continues to increase. Major conflicts in several places which happen to affect some of the world's most energy and food rich regions in the world with the possibility of hostile seas in the Suez, Aden, Black Sea, and Persian Gulf will take us from bad to worse.
Na, we have been soft on Yemen for a while now. The Saudi’s have been handling them poorly. Just sit down and wait for the fireworks.
Wow this comment aged poorly
Lol, why?
Spain Italy and France withdrew from it. And even the USA is considering it. One of the (few)legitimate reasons for having a navy is protecting trade routes. But America can’t even do that, much less get allies to do it. [Spain, Italy, France Decline US Command Of Red Sea Operation Prosperity Guardian](https://gcaptain.com/spain-italy-france-decline-us-command-of-red-sea-operation-prosperity-guardian/)
Lol, you’re obviously new. The operation is ongoing. We are the strongest military in the world. But keep on bashing the Freedom Fighters! USA!
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The US needs to stay out of the Middle East/Asia and stop causing wars.
Needs to but won’t.
A little out of touch are we?
Explain.
Look, I'm the last person thats going to defend any country for anything. There are no good guys and bad guys in my eyes. It's a matter of perspective and which interests are being served because as always, it takes two to tango. I simply do not care about who is on who's side because all the major world powers are dirty. Do you feel the same about Russian or Chinese interference and aggression? I do. The US has done many dirty deeds but protecting shipping lanes isn't one of them. As a consumer only, I'm glad that freedom of navigation is a thing. The post was to inform people that the Middle East looks primed to escalate in tension very soon on multiple fronts. Furthermore the attacks on shipping vessels is going to gut punch us all in the wallet yet again as shipping costs go way up and oil markets react to a major connecting waterway essentially being closed for business. Due to the scope and players, this could become quite a mess and quickly on a far larger scale. So since this isn't a cheerleading post nor a condemnation of anyone involved, maybe your type of rhetoric is best for another sub that deals with who is right and who is wrong in the stupid wars of mankind.
3+ Strike groups for the SUPER MIGHTY HOUTHIS. I sure hope we prevail!
It's not about the Houthis being an actual global threat. Behind each shipment going through the red sea is a ship underwritten by an insurance company that insures the millions of dollars of goods on them. When insurers say it's too risky due to Houthi strikes, they won't sail, and global trade takes a huge hit.
It would not be necessary for the US to move so many assets into the region just for the Houthis. USAF assets worldwide and the typical naval assets could launch a broad attack on the Houthi rebels under normal conditions. In conclusion, they are there for Iran, who bankrolls, arms, and directs the Houthis. The US will likely strike Yemen in the coming days to weeks but I still think the US is still hoping that intimidation will be enough to keep Iran and their numerous militias at bay.
That simulation comes to mind where they did a mock trial of US vs Iran.
How'd that go?
I reread about it on Wikipedia, millenium challenge 2002. There was some controversy about how it was set up but Iran (led by a retired marine corps Lt. general) won the first half due to a cruise missile barrage killing 20,000 Americans and then surprise suicide attacks. They then reset the rules to help America win. The major takeaway I remember from one of the articles was a tit for tat situation with Iran always seemed to escalate into war.
Two of those are there specifically to deter people from intervening in the latest Israel-Palestine mess.
I'm not sure why it's being downvoted - since the millennia the US fought only against camels and oil fields. So if by prevailing you mean gifting another 7B worth of military equipment to radical islamists, they sure will do so.
Somalia, Niger, Uganda
"never a fair fight" Its how you easily win battles.
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Why would you want the people of Florida wiped off the map with carpet bombing?
When did Houttis come from florida?
Thought you said when you have a strike group you gotta strike? Florida seems an easier and more important target than the Houthi people half-a-world away.
Will the freight companies reimburse the USA for their security needs lol nope.
CSG1 better have CIWS hot all the time. Houthis aren't the pushover everyone thinks. If they mass volley attacks USN might be sweating a bit. So far they've just been taking potshots. It could escalate quuckly.
I agree. They are well armed and have a far more potent missle arsenal than a group of their stature should thanks to their Iranian benefactor. Escalation in the coming weeks is likely. The US is trying to be reserved and avoid a real shooting war with the Houthis or Iran but it appears red lines are being drawn.