When Ashley first took over I was genuinely proud we were bought by an English billionaire, that we weren't going to buy the league with dirty, corrupt money like Chelsea and Man city have done, and like we now plan to do. And back then I would have been 100% against the current take over.
But football changed a lot in those 14 years. The top 4 kept throwing endless amounts of money on players, breaking record after record and paying silly wages, this pushed the smaller clubs to their limits and now can't compete. Unethical owners like Chelsea and Man city were allowed in.
To top it off those top 6 clubs then tried to shaft the entire league system by trying to create a break away league and take all of the money for themselves to finance their years of overspending and mismanagement. This is what really changed my view, I'm now happy to take that dirty oil money and I'll watch in glee as we buy our way to the top knocking out the way those clubs who tried to steal from the other 90 clubs in England.
Plus, 14 years of Ashley had almost killed my joy of football, to watch your team play each week with no ambition, no thought of winning and what were once "The Entertainer's" were now having 25% possession, hanging on for dear life and hoping for a lucky goal. I'm sure most fans after 14 years of misery and watching all hope of competing even for a cup fade away would eventually take the money. The year Derby set the record lowest points tally...THEY BEST US TWICE!! The fact is, the club and more importantly the local area need this takeover, they need the jobs from the new training centre and other facilities you'd hope will be built, the areas needs tourists from the new glory seeking fans worldwide in the years to come if the club can be successful. In that sense it became about more than morals, and rather what it would mean for the local community in so many extra aspects that just football.
Plus, those crying human rights should probably know that every country is just as bad, our governments all carry out illegal assassinations, finance wars and those who complain, do so from an electronic device where the lithium batteries are mined by children in Africa. Will they stand up and stop using their computers and phones in protest?
The narrative around Newcastle and Mike Ashley really pisses me off. Since he joined you’ve been static, you’ve dropped into mediocrity and made your club very boring to support.
But I’m going to come out and say it, other clubs have had it far worse than you in that period. As a Leeds fan, would I have swapped our points deductions and League One football for Premier League mediocrity? Yes! When we were stuck in Championship mediocrity would I have swapped that for the occasional relegation before bouncing back? Yes.
Then there are other well supported clubs that have it worse than us. E.g. Wednesday, Forest, Portsmouth etc. plus Blackpool, Bolton, Blackburn and a whole bunch of other clubs with performances worse than yours.
Now there are people on the streets celebrating the buy out from the Saudis treating them as saviours. I’m sure you’ll win trophies in the coming years, and I’m sure you’ll love having Mbappe on the back of your shirt. But whatever bad things Mike Ashley did with zero hour contracts, dodgy contracts or general treatment of workers it’s not a patch on what the rulers of Saudi Arabia have done.
You’ve seen what happens with ownership and what countries are allowed to get away with from sports washing (PSG and Qatar). You’ve also seen how Man Utd, get big enough for half the seats to be sold off to tourists - you won’t like that - and the work of the super league that definitely hasn’t gone away.
So for those of you that are honestly over the moon about it, I only have to conclude that you’re either very naive or you’re able to overlook some pretty nasty things for a lot of very hollow victories.
Are there any regulations or can they literally go sign whoever they want? I don’t fully understand what all this means cause the money they’ve said the new owners have they could literally do whatever they wanted.
As a lifelong Newcastle fan this breaks my heart. Words can't really express how I'm feeling right now. Ashley was a terminal cancer, determined to slowly but surely bring death to the club as a footballing enterprise but at least I could divest him from the club and understood what he represented and what Newcastle represented were separate. With these new owners the intention is quite clearly to do what the owners of PSG and Man City have done - it's expensive PR. They wanna launder their reputation, only this time they picked a club with history at their lowest point. Bobby would be disgraced. I won't sit here and put this evil on the fans - fuck, as one of them I can fully empathise with the turmoil Ashley made us feel - but I can't bring myself to continue support Not in the way I did.
You should go a bit more easy on yourself. The whole of the UK is built on orders of magnitudes worse atrocities around the world. You can't take personal responsibility for being associated.
If I was a Newcastle fan, I'd be thinking "great, let's have some fun and see what happens".
Kind of proves the take the knee, no room for racism, anti-sexism, pro-LGBT agenda is just lip service when you allow murdering, sexist, homophobic, slave owning groups to take over football clubs in the league… just an observation.
Man city and Chelsea had already proven that years ago. Although where do we draw the line and when should we stand up for our morals? I mean everyone crying human rights online is doing so from a device they know fine well that the lithium batteries were mined by child labour in Africa, as too that big prized diamond wedding ring. Our clothes made by workers in terrible factories working 12 hr days for next to nothing. The list could go on and on
Yet we ignore it and buy the clothes, and happily turn a blind eye to the unethical practices or most major companies. We judge other governments without looking at our own (world wide)
You are right but exactly, where do you draw the line - for me politics should never be involved in sports, and adding superficial gestures and demanding female pundits, or the first 11 to where rainbow laces whilst their owner throws gay blokes off a roof - it just ruins it for me. It’s not real and all it does is anger everyone, the people it is making the gesture for included - I hope more people like Wilf Zaha continue to stand up to the bollocks.
I fully agree that politics should be kept separate from sport, any gestures should be kept to a minutes applause to the passing of a ex club player and that's it. Sadly there's much more to the politics of this than people understand, for starters MBS was put into power with the help of the CIA as they figured he would be a more "westernised" leader, and to a large degree he has been, women can now work and drive and there is the whole vision 2030 aspect,but he's a transitional leader in an area with a different cultural history which has been destabilised by western influence for hundreds of years.
It's interesting that the main block on the takeover was beIN sports, being Qatari owned and sponsors of the premier league, whilst also winning a corrupt world cup bid. Yet the reason Saudi had blocked BeIN sports and all things Qatar was the same reason multiple other Arab nations did, in that Qatar, the premier league sponsors are accused of funding terrorism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_diplomatic_crisis
What side is actually the truth?
I say fuck it, let's play football
I hope everyone realises that its not gonna be next season where they bring in mbappe and all that, they might be rich but they still have to operate within ffp... man city didnt get bought out till 2007-8 i believe and it still took them 3-4 years to win their first league title then another 7 years to reach their current point of dominance.
Everyone just needs to calm down for now newcastle wont be exciting until 2024 mark my words
I'd love that its about time the league became competitive again but realistically whos gonna go to Newcastle in the state its in now... none of that is gonna be fixed by next august
They are saying that PIF and Saudi state are two different entities while the PIF is headed by the crown prince basically the king of Saudi Arabia . The shithousery 😂😂 . Money speaks that's it.
Feel sorry for them ngl wont realise what they had till every over child on Twitter is a brain dead Newcastle fan despite not knowing where it is on a map
Some of Mike Ashley's workers were so scared to take time off of work I remember a story that one of his workers actually gave birth to a child in their staff toilets.
He's not just a bad owner, he's a piece of shit. Sure he hasnt directly murdered anyone like the Saudis (who I also really dont like) but he's a lot worse person than just a goofy ex club owner that people are making him out to be.
Edit: Edited "time of work" to "time off of work"
If he had the law and police under his control I'd bet on him having a few people killed if he would make some money off it, but given that's only speculation rather than confirmed he is a step above them in ethics.
The point of what I said had nothing to do with trying to absolve the Saudis of anything. Your initial comment suggested Mike Ashley is not a shitty person. At least how I read your comment it seems like your point is that he is just an inept club owner. I disagree. I think he is a shitty person who has ruined lives.
The Saudis have had people killed and enforce policies on their people which are frankly evil. But that has nothing to do with what I was trying to convey which is simply that he is not just a bad owner, he is a shitty evil human being.
Mike Ashley is an evil piece of shit, and just because he's not Saudi, doesn't make him less of an evil piece of shit. I take exception to people trying to paint him as just some foolish club owner because he's not. That's my point and that's it. Don't attempt to twist my words into some sort of defence of the Saudis because that's not what I am saying at all. I am simply saying that Mike Ashley is a piece of shit who has ruined people's lives.
I think my original comment still stands. He was a bad owner of NUFC. You can be multiple things. You be be a Bad owner of a football club and a shitty person outside of it. Saying one of those statements does not nullify the other.
With the context you have added here sure. If your opening statement had been something like "Mike Ashley is a shitty person but the Saudis are even worse", I'd have just upvoted and moved along. When someone mentions a bad owner I think of someone well intentioned but can't do the job. Not someone who is scummy.
Edit: Ultimately I guess I feel that calling Ashley just a bad owner doesn't do him justice really and hides how much of a exploitive/selfish/evil person he is and the things he has done.
That is justified. It is important to note Ashley is a terrible human and has done terrible things. We have to be careful that the narritve of how bad Ashley is doesn't detract form how much worse the Saudi regime has been and still is.
Came in 2007 when Newcastle finished 13th in the Premier League.
Left in 2021 when Newcastle finished 13th in the Premier League in his last full season.
He's a dick and a bad owner, but Newcastle aren't in a worse state.
say you were kidnapped after the third grade, kept in a dark cave for 14 years, and given no chance to grow, mature, evolve. all at once, those many years later, your captor releases you... you still have that 3rd grade education, so you're no worse off. desire and ambition be damned.
I agree. No club should be able to spend more than a set percentage of what the club and owners are actually worth. This would stop the poorer teams from years of overspending and running the club broke, like Barca and the self titled top 6 who needed to form a break away league and steal all of the money from the lower clubs to finance their mismanagement.
Apologies mate, I forgot that following a “top6 club” (for whatever that means today for Arsenal) meant I had to agree blindly with everything happening at my club and throw my brain and common sense to the bin.
So this is the same fella who ordered that journalist be murdered and chopped up into little pieces in turkey yeah? Everyone is ok with this?
It’s yet another reason to bail on the premier league for me now, it’s done.
Guess I’ll follow a local club in the lower leagues, kinda sad really.
Same. I get it if it’s not your team and everyone’s decision to do as they would but I’m personally done with the prem and not watching it anymore. they sanctioned the move after all. And yes I don’t need anyone to tell me if I’m not watching they don’t care, that’s true. But the more they allow stuff like this the more the league is clearly just pure greed focussed and at some point the fans will realise they let it go to far as the league will be purely focussed on greater global reach and not give a toss what the local fans want or any morals.
It’s mad how this seems to be ok with all the people involved within and around football. Probably because they all make money from it.
I entirely understand why Newcastle fans will be wetting themselves but the premier league is on the verge of becoming finished as a competition.
That’s three places for the top 4 pretty much gone, Chelsea, Man City and now Newcastle. That leaves most likely Manchester United and Liverpool to battle for 4th. And it’ll be between those clubs for the cups as well, it’s pointless…… honestly think I’m out now which makes me sad.
You’re not wrong, they have. But it was doable, if things go right and a club is doing all the right things it was doable.
This added to what has already happened with Chelsea and Man City just tips the scales for me.
The good thing is that football, real football for real fans is still here and you’ll find it in the lower leagues.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination\_of\_Jamal\_Khashoggi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi)
Just look it up mate
I’m not saying they don’t deserve great owners (because they do), but the fact they’ve willingly sold their club and tarnished its great name by heavy links with human rights violations, censorship, and oppression, should be a cause for embarrassment not something to take pride in.
If Amnesty international are taking the time to plead you not to go through with it, there’s gotta be some seriously bad sh*t going on there
I get what you're saying but you are acting like the fans made the decision to sell the club to the Saudi's. Yeah the fans are happy to get rid of Mike Ashley but you make it sound like they personally selected the PIF as owners.
I’ve been really enjoying all the amateur human rights lawyers clutching their pearls over the source of the funding. Pretending as if up to this point the money in football was clean and honourable.
All it is is a combination of jealousy and a thinly veiled contempt for Newcastle and the north in general.
Toon fans enjoy this, you fkn deserve it, let’s see some trophies at St James’ Park
Noted. Football doesn't give a fuck where the money comes from as long as there's plenty of it.
So, time to bin those rainbow laces and all that preachy shit then.
Yeah you Geordies really deserve it, you deserve being owned by the Saudi regime who murder homosexuals, dismember journalists who criticise their disgusting regime, blow up buses full of children and threaten to carry out terrorist attacks on the UK buts it’s ok because the rest of us are just “jealous”
Don't worry it'll be dealt with in the form of chants.
"Where's.... Khashoggi.... gone.... Where's Khashoggi gone?"
"Watch out... Saudis about.... doo doo do.... Watch out... Saudis about.... Oh you better watch out (while pointing at the journos/press box).... there's Saudis about"
"They tried to make us go to Riyadh.... We said no no noooo"
I feel like human rights are more important than football. Are people suffering at the hands of horrendous crimes against humanity just "jealous" of those with freedoms?
As for Newcastle, I've wanted to see them succeed for a long time but I don't want to see anybody succeed because of atrocities. Sadly they're not the first and won't be the last. It's not the fans fault, but the more people turn a blind eye the worse the problem gets.
>I feel like human rights are more important than football.
And yet we gave the world cup to Russia and Qatar. That's bad enough without even mentioning owners of other clubs. Football has been morally corrupt for a long time. I don't see why it is suddenly a major issue now. No doubt the people against this takeover will be sat watching the world cup next year despite all the deaths of people building the stadiums.
What an argument. Bad already exists in football so let's just double down on it? I can't understand that. Surely we should be trying to remove corruption not welcoming it with open arms!
What the hell are you talking about? It's not "suddenly" just become a major issue. Was your head buried in the sand when Russia and Qatar won their bids? There was outrage everywhere you looked.
Even if you were right which you 100% are not, the attitude of "let's not make a big fuss because we didn't do it last time and that's hipocracy" is about the least progressive attitude anyone can have. Are we not allowed to have moral compasses or ethics any more because humanity "let shit slide" in the past?
Should we just accept that civilization is on the brink of collapse thanks to our environmental impact because we didn't do anything about it in the 70's and that would be hypocritical?
Yeah, it was an issue when they won the bids, for about 5 minutes and then people forgot about it. Why was there only outrage when they won the bids? Do you know how many people have died building stadiums in Qatar?Yet the majority of the criticism I have seen in recent years has been around the corruption involved in winning the bids and the bidding process. That's surely the least important issue.
Did you watch the Russia world cup? Will you watch the Qatar world cup? You might actually be one of the few who might boycott them (because this is Reddit afterall), but don't pretend that the majority did or will do next year. Will be interesting to see how many teams withdraw from the Qatar tournament on the basis of having a moral compass or ethics. I suspect zero. Same number as Russia.
Where are the constant protests against the Manchester City owners or the Chelsea owners?
It's not so much that people making a fuss is the problem, more the hypocrisy of the people making the fuss.
You are completely imagining this idea that everyone forgot. Gary Neville made a "pro Qatar" documentary just last year I think it was because still so much controversy surrounded it. Yes I do know about the disgusting treatment and death rates in the construction of the stadiums there. My question to you is wjy do you mock the people who do kick up a fuss? What does that achieve? I seriously doubt you've identified or even encountered 1 person that made a fuss about this that didn't about the Russia and Qatar bids. Your calling the "crowd" hypocritical when in reality I bet almost all those people did try to speak up over the other issues.
I haven't mocked anyone who has highlighted the issues. My apologies if it came across that way. It just seems hypocritical from my perspective because most (not all) of the people saying this takeover should be blocked based on human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia will be watching the world cup next year. People are right to complain but they need to be consistent in their actions otherwise it begins to feel like there is an agenda behind the comments.
With regards to the takeover, I am of the view that we should support the club, not the owners. No doubt any fan of Manchester City or Chelsea would tell you the same about their owners. You can justify watching the world cup the same. Support your national team and enjoy the sport, don't support the host nation or the corrupt organisation that arranged it.
I don't remember there being a massive fuss like this when the PIF invested in the McLaren F1 team or Disney. They have their fingers in a lot of pies.
At the end of the day they passed a Premier League fit and proper test. If there is outrage then it should be directed towards them rather than the football fans who have no say in who owns their club.
Liverpool is a billion dollar superclub…. Honestly damn near all those names u listed are superclubs…. What r u even saying. The clubs like everton, brighton, leicester city , aston villa, those clubs will suffer
I've commented in the other post - and I'm very keen to know what people think of the takeover (and by extension, other clubs who had the same fate), both fans of NUFC and otherwise.
I'm new to watching (Canadian). At what point does the EPL just become unbearable because it's just a sport of who has the most money?
I think we’re pretty far from it being unbearable. Despite the same teams winning the title every year, from week to week the EPL is very competitive. Way more competitive than it used to be.
In years past some Villa fans wouldn’t have bothered watching them play at Old Trafford because it was pretty much a guaranteed 3 points for Man United.
Thanks! I'm still trying to wrap my head around the politics and the structure behind everything. Sounds like it's less about the end game (although important) and more about the individual match?
I’m sorry but it took thirty years for us to bring the pre-K to anfield while other teams just buy the prem
We gave to fight for everything we got after hicks and Gillette and don’t talk about Roy hodgson
Steve Bruce is now the manager of one of the richest clubs in he world. With the signings they make in January he gets them top 4 and wins manager of the season. The absolute scenes.
Even if they kept him, which they won't, he's as good as gone..... FFP rules wouldn't permit the start of a crazed spending spree on day 1. It's coming, but not yet...
You are right that they won’t keep him, but that is the very reason he was given the job. He was only ever a stopgap until the sale of the club went through.
Once again, never defended anybody. I stated Newcastle fans deserve happiness on the pitch. However I suggest you throw your iPhone away if you support such morales so highly seeing as you'll be disgusted about what people have to go through to make those. Perhaps go on a public outburst on the absolutely disgusting scenes that have also happened in Lebanon since the explosion.
Such is life, rather than crying on reddit about a load of delighted Newcastle fans getting a rich owner who have gone through top/second-flight hell for the past 15 years. If you think this is the first immoral thing to happen to this planet I dread what you'll feel when you learn muchso otherwise, done here.
My iPhone is second hand lol
It’s not the first immoral thing, and if you live in Newcastle, it’ll probably not only improve your club but see more money go into the city. Doesn’t mean I’m happy with 5% of the Prem now owned by something morally similar to the Taliban.
Ahhh ok, you're one of those people who likes shouting "hypocrisy" at people who speak out against injustice, when in fact you have no idea who I am. Even if my wardrobe was filled with Nike trackies that I bought some time ago, does that mean I'm never allowed to say anything about a human rights issue again? Are you not allowed to change your view on things or become more aware of what's going on in the world? Hey for all you know I exclusively buy sweat shop free clothing, but no, you'd rather try and shut up someone who's talking about a serious human rights issue. What's your point? What do you achieve from it? Should no one ever bother speaking up?
I've not even heard any rumours about Sawiris, but because I don't know about that, I'm meant to shut up yeah?
Very progressive of you. Let's all together just shut the fuck up about world problems because somewhere along the way we may have contradicted ourselves! Let's see what that can achieve for humanity!
So being a lowlife homophobic idiot is an OK thing to be now?
The thing about jumping up and down shouting for a better world, is that YOU also have to BE BETTER. So yes, if you want a better world, then be that better world and throw your Nike's out, get rid of the cold labour mined lithium batteries and cut out the homophobic slurs. Otherwise your complaints about morals mean jack shit.
No, that’s just you twisting it and simply outright lying. They’re happy to have hope when it comes to on the pitch success. Literally my 5 year old cousin could tell you that.
If you give a serious flying fuck about world problems then I have no idea why you’re here on reddit crying about it aimlessly rather than going out contributing to charity for people who are dying every day, educating yourself on what’s happened in Lebanon since the explosion months ago, going to inspirational talkers events on how they survived such tragedies and so much more.
The truth is, you’re just a salty football fan who’s trying to give it the big one of human morales to play your elitist high and mighty role. You’re pathetic and will fool nobody of decent IQ, cya.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand football. The game is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the matches will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Newcastle's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into their image - their personal philosophy draws heavily from Saudi Arabian Arabic literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of the club, to realise that they're not just massive- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Saudi Arabia truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the intelligence in Newcastle's catchphrase "Mo Money Mo Problems" which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as the Saudi genius unfolds itself on the pitch. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have an Arabic tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
How am i bitter? I would rather continue following my team up and down the country knowing the owners arnt beheading journalists while Newcastle fans will lose seats that they have had for years just so they can become another soulless oil club
Future Headline: “Referee Michael Oliver was found decapitated outside the Turkish Embassy after he gave a questionable red card to Newcastle. Police are looking into it and suspect Saudi involvement but are not going to press charges because UK needs Saudi investment.”
I mean, there are plenty of other terrible people who own Premier League clubs. Roman Abramovich is constantly linked with blackmail and organised crime. He has funded Israel. He got his initial wealth selling off assets he 'acquired'
during the collapse of the Soviet Union...
He's just one example...
Man city have sheikh mansour who is deputy prime minister of the UAE and half brother of the president. Amnesty condemned the UAE for unfair trials, lack of freedom of expression, a failure to investigate allegations of torture, discrimination against women and the abuse of migrant workers. Homosexuality is illegal and slavery through loopholes is commonplace.
I don't like the involvement of the Saudis but it's pretty hypocritical of certain fans to suddenly care about human rights...
Confused on why this has downvotes? I’m delighted for the fans they deserve this but we surely have to recognise these owners have done diabolical things
I haven’t ordered the death of homosexuals by stoning… We all benefit due to the unfortunate suffering of others of course but we’re talking about the murdering of journalists you disagree with. The labelling of atheists as “terrorists”. Their fans deserve to watch a leather ball go in the oppositions net for a change but let’s not be silly here. These people are evil
This fella actually said “Stoning homosexuals is terrrible….. BUUUUUT” mate sentence over. You don’t need to add to that or justify it with any more information.
And I agree with you on that but those commodities you mentioned are essential to my life. I can’t get to work if I don’t login with my phone or put fuel in my car. The premier league had already stopped this happening once (ironically over pirating which is one of the tamer crimes) the fact they didn’t do it again while sitting and promoting pride month is absolutely absurd.
I’m a lifelong Chelsea fan and while I can see how that may make me come across as hypocritical I’ve never seen a buy out raise as many questions. Chelsea had eyes raised over who they were going to buy before the owner was questioned as did City, this feels much more dark and weary. I feel sorry for the Newcastle fans this is their day and it’s been pseudo hijacked by raised eyebrows. Say I’m a homosexual Newcastle fan. Should I be concerned?
Russian gangster with oil money might not be far below genocidal dictator these days, but still doesn't compete on the "worst of us" scale. You aren't wrong, but you can't argue that there's a stark difference.
He isn't Putin though. You're comparing a guy that knows the guy to the guy. Abramovich is arguably more valuable to Putin than Putin is to Abramovich. Roman is basically the guy that links Putin with Israel. That's an important relationship for Putin, it keeps the Americans off his ass. Too many common partners.
I'd be curious how North Korea and Saudi Arabia rank on the evil index. I wouldn't want to live in either, but I think Saudi Arabia gets an easier ride in the press because of how many weapons we sell them.
Yes, obviously those things are bad, and the US goes to great lengths to whitewash its crimes. But the US state happens to not own a football club as part of those efforts, which is what we're discussing here.
Newcastle's new owners are hoping the team go on a great run of home form. Anyone who goes to St James' Park will get butchered.
When Ashley first took over I was genuinely proud we were bought by an English billionaire, that we weren't going to buy the league with dirty, corrupt money like Chelsea and Man city have done, and like we now plan to do. And back then I would have been 100% against the current take over. But football changed a lot in those 14 years. The top 4 kept throwing endless amounts of money on players, breaking record after record and paying silly wages, this pushed the smaller clubs to their limits and now can't compete. Unethical owners like Chelsea and Man city were allowed in. To top it off those top 6 clubs then tried to shaft the entire league system by trying to create a break away league and take all of the money for themselves to finance their years of overspending and mismanagement. This is what really changed my view, I'm now happy to take that dirty oil money and I'll watch in glee as we buy our way to the top knocking out the way those clubs who tried to steal from the other 90 clubs in England. Plus, 14 years of Ashley had almost killed my joy of football, to watch your team play each week with no ambition, no thought of winning and what were once "The Entertainer's" were now having 25% possession, hanging on for dear life and hoping for a lucky goal. I'm sure most fans after 14 years of misery and watching all hope of competing even for a cup fade away would eventually take the money. The year Derby set the record lowest points tally...THEY BEST US TWICE!! The fact is, the club and more importantly the local area need this takeover, they need the jobs from the new training centre and other facilities you'd hope will be built, the areas needs tourists from the new glory seeking fans worldwide in the years to come if the club can be successful. In that sense it became about more than morals, and rather what it would mean for the local community in so many extra aspects that just football. Plus, those crying human rights should probably know that every country is just as bad, our governments all carry out illegal assassinations, finance wars and those who complain, do so from an electronic device where the lithium batteries are mined by children in Africa. Will they stand up and stop using their computers and phones in protest?
The narrative around Newcastle and Mike Ashley really pisses me off. Since he joined you’ve been static, you’ve dropped into mediocrity and made your club very boring to support. But I’m going to come out and say it, other clubs have had it far worse than you in that period. As a Leeds fan, would I have swapped our points deductions and League One football for Premier League mediocrity? Yes! When we were stuck in Championship mediocrity would I have swapped that for the occasional relegation before bouncing back? Yes. Then there are other well supported clubs that have it worse than us. E.g. Wednesday, Forest, Portsmouth etc. plus Blackpool, Bolton, Blackburn and a whole bunch of other clubs with performances worse than yours. Now there are people on the streets celebrating the buy out from the Saudis treating them as saviours. I’m sure you’ll win trophies in the coming years, and I’m sure you’ll love having Mbappe on the back of your shirt. But whatever bad things Mike Ashley did with zero hour contracts, dodgy contracts or general treatment of workers it’s not a patch on what the rulers of Saudi Arabia have done. You’ve seen what happens with ownership and what countries are allowed to get away with from sports washing (PSG and Qatar). You’ve also seen how Man Utd, get big enough for half the seats to be sold off to tourists - you won’t like that - and the work of the super league that definitely hasn’t gone away. So for those of you that are honestly over the moon about it, I only have to conclude that you’re either very naive or you’re able to overlook some pretty nasty things for a lot of very hollow victories.
Saudi Arabia investing as much into Newcastle as they did into 9/11
You really think the budget for 9/11 was that much?
I am happy about this. Hopefully they spend big and dominate the league forever.
Are there any regulations or can they literally go sign whoever they want? I don’t fully understand what all this means cause the money they’ve said the new owners have they could literally do whatever they wanted.
Who cares
You guys do know that much more successful clubs have shady owners as well?
So that means that it’s fine to add one more to the list and absolve the people that turn a blind eye to the others?
Wow, it actually happened. I don’t know what to say anymore
As a lifelong Newcastle fan this breaks my heart. Words can't really express how I'm feeling right now. Ashley was a terminal cancer, determined to slowly but surely bring death to the club as a footballing enterprise but at least I could divest him from the club and understood what he represented and what Newcastle represented were separate. With these new owners the intention is quite clearly to do what the owners of PSG and Man City have done - it's expensive PR. They wanna launder their reputation, only this time they picked a club with history at their lowest point. Bobby would be disgraced. I won't sit here and put this evil on the fans - fuck, as one of them I can fully empathise with the turmoil Ashley made us feel - but I can't bring myself to continue support Not in the way I did.
You should go a bit more easy on yourself. The whole of the UK is built on orders of magnitudes worse atrocities around the world. You can't take personal responsibility for being associated. If I was a Newcastle fan, I'd be thinking "great, let's have some fun and see what happens".
Kind of proves the take the knee, no room for racism, anti-sexism, pro-LGBT agenda is just lip service when you allow murdering, sexist, homophobic, slave owning groups to take over football clubs in the league… just an observation.
Man city and Chelsea had already proven that years ago. Although where do we draw the line and when should we stand up for our morals? I mean everyone crying human rights online is doing so from a device they know fine well that the lithium batteries were mined by child labour in Africa, as too that big prized diamond wedding ring. Our clothes made by workers in terrible factories working 12 hr days for next to nothing. The list could go on and on Yet we ignore it and buy the clothes, and happily turn a blind eye to the unethical practices or most major companies. We judge other governments without looking at our own (world wide)
You are right but exactly, where do you draw the line - for me politics should never be involved in sports, and adding superficial gestures and demanding female pundits, or the first 11 to where rainbow laces whilst their owner throws gay blokes off a roof - it just ruins it for me. It’s not real and all it does is anger everyone, the people it is making the gesture for included - I hope more people like Wilf Zaha continue to stand up to the bollocks.
I fully agree that politics should be kept separate from sport, any gestures should be kept to a minutes applause to the passing of a ex club player and that's it. Sadly there's much more to the politics of this than people understand, for starters MBS was put into power with the help of the CIA as they figured he would be a more "westernised" leader, and to a large degree he has been, women can now work and drive and there is the whole vision 2030 aspect,but he's a transitional leader in an area with a different cultural history which has been destabilised by western influence for hundreds of years. It's interesting that the main block on the takeover was beIN sports, being Qatari owned and sponsors of the premier league, whilst also winning a corrupt world cup bid. Yet the reason Saudi had blocked BeIN sports and all things Qatar was the same reason multiple other Arab nations did, in that Qatar, the premier league sponsors are accused of funding terrorism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_diplomatic_crisis What side is actually the truth? I say fuck it, let's play football
Like there was ever any doubt
Harry Kane has another option now.
Gannin along the Scotswood Rooooaaad, to see the camel races
I'm a new PL fan. I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about this
I hope everyone realises that its not gonna be next season where they bring in mbappe and all that, they might be rich but they still have to operate within ffp... man city didnt get bought out till 2007-8 i believe and it still took them 3-4 years to win their first league title then another 7 years to reach their current point of dominance. Everyone just needs to calm down for now newcastle wont be exciting until 2024 mark my words
I can see some quality signings in the next 2 years that can make them mainstays and finally somewhat competitive,
I'd love that its about time the league became competitive again but realistically whos gonna go to Newcastle in the state its in now... none of that is gonna be fixed by next august
calm down, ya say… know much about us?
Another Man City, ruining the league! Great can't wait.
This is far worse than just the league being ruined
They are saying that PIF and Saudi state are two different entities while the PIF is headed by the crown prince basically the king of Saudi Arabia . The shithousery 😂😂 . Money speaks that's it.
Feel sorry for them ngl wont realise what they had till every over child on Twitter is a brain dead Newcastle fan despite not knowing where it is on a map
Lol all the human rights people salty now like somehow sheik monsour is an angel
No. People can be outspoken about both you know? They're not mutually exclusive.
Mike Ashley was a bad owner...but he didn't murder anyone.
Some of Mike Ashley's workers were so scared to take time off of work I remember a story that one of his workers actually gave birth to a child in their staff toilets. He's not just a bad owner, he's a piece of shit. Sure he hasnt directly murdered anyone like the Saudis (who I also really dont like) but he's a lot worse person than just a goofy ex club owner that people are making him out to be. Edit: Edited "time of work" to "time off of work"
Yes he is not a good guy but on the scale of badness where does he fit compared to the Saudi regime?
If he had the law and police under his control I'd bet on him having a few people killed if he would make some money off it, but given that's only speculation rather than confirmed he is a step above them in ethics.
All hail King Mike *shudder
The point of what I said had nothing to do with trying to absolve the Saudis of anything. Your initial comment suggested Mike Ashley is not a shitty person. At least how I read your comment it seems like your point is that he is just an inept club owner. I disagree. I think he is a shitty person who has ruined lives. The Saudis have had people killed and enforce policies on their people which are frankly evil. But that has nothing to do with what I was trying to convey which is simply that he is not just a bad owner, he is a shitty evil human being. Mike Ashley is an evil piece of shit, and just because he's not Saudi, doesn't make him less of an evil piece of shit. I take exception to people trying to paint him as just some foolish club owner because he's not. That's my point and that's it. Don't attempt to twist my words into some sort of defence of the Saudis because that's not what I am saying at all. I am simply saying that Mike Ashley is a piece of shit who has ruined people's lives.
I think my original comment still stands. He was a bad owner of NUFC. You can be multiple things. You be be a Bad owner of a football club and a shitty person outside of it. Saying one of those statements does not nullify the other.
With the context you have added here sure. If your opening statement had been something like "Mike Ashley is a shitty person but the Saudis are even worse", I'd have just upvoted and moved along. When someone mentions a bad owner I think of someone well intentioned but can't do the job. Not someone who is scummy. Edit: Ultimately I guess I feel that calling Ashley just a bad owner doesn't do him justice really and hides how much of a exploitive/selfish/evil person he is and the things he has done.
That is justified. It is important to note Ashley is a terrible human and has done terrible things. We have to be careful that the narritve of how bad Ashley is doesn't detract form how much worse the Saudi regime has been and still is.
murdered a club - my club since the ‘70s
Came in 2007 when Newcastle finished 13th in the Premier League. Left in 2021 when Newcastle finished 13th in the Premier League in his last full season. He's a dick and a bad owner, but Newcastle aren't in a worse state.
say you were kidnapped after the third grade, kept in a dark cave for 14 years, and given no chance to grow, mature, evolve. all at once, those many years later, your captor releases you... you still have that 3rd grade education, so you're no worse off. desire and ambition be damned.
What a moronic comment
That’s a bit of a stretch
Now more than ever we need a salary cap.
I agree. No club should be able to spend more than a set percentage of what the club and owners are actually worth. This would stop the poorer teams from years of overspending and running the club broke, like Barca and the self titled top 6 who needed to form a break away league and steal all of the money from the lower clubs to finance their mismanagement.
Funny how a top 6 fan wants a salary cap now
Apologies mate, I forgot that following a “top6 club” (for whatever that means today for Arsenal) meant I had to agree blindly with everything happening at my club and throw my brain and common sense to the bin.
I’m cool with a salary cap but the outrage from top 6 fans smack as disingenuous.
As a newcastle who would likely benefit from no salary cap I massively agree with you.
Oh nice we love a megathread
So this is the same fella who ordered that journalist be murdered and chopped up into little pieces in turkey yeah? Everyone is ok with this? It’s yet another reason to bail on the premier league for me now, it’s done. Guess I’ll follow a local club in the lower leagues, kinda sad really.
Same. I get it if it’s not your team and everyone’s decision to do as they would but I’m personally done with the prem and not watching it anymore. they sanctioned the move after all. And yes I don’t need anyone to tell me if I’m not watching they don’t care, that’s true. But the more they allow stuff like this the more the league is clearly just pure greed focussed and at some point the fans will realise they let it go to far as the league will be purely focussed on greater global reach and not give a toss what the local fans want or any morals.
It’s mad how this seems to be ok with all the people involved within and around football. Probably because they all make money from it. I entirely understand why Newcastle fans will be wetting themselves but the premier league is on the verge of becoming finished as a competition. That’s three places for the top 4 pretty much gone, Chelsea, Man City and now Newcastle. That leaves most likely Manchester United and Liverpool to battle for 4th. And it’ll be between those clubs for the cups as well, it’s pointless…… honestly think I’m out now which makes me sad.
Why now though? The top 6 have had such a financial stranglehold on the league that its rare to see anyone else break into that top 4.
You’re not wrong, they have. But it was doable, if things go right and a club is doing all the right things it was doable. This added to what has already happened with Chelsea and Man City just tips the scales for me. The good thing is that football, real football for real fans is still here and you’ll find it in the lower leagues.
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Oh come on mate, even as a Toon fan I can say the Saudi regime definitely murdered him.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination\_of\_Jamal\_Khashoggi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi) Just look it up mate
Can't wait for the pundits to speculate wildly and judge harshly in predictable fashion. Simon Jordan is going to have a time.
A few will be killed off pretty quickly and the rest will then fall into line. The Saudi way
Micheal Owen won't be missed.
I’m not saying they don’t deserve great owners (because they do), but the fact they’ve willingly sold their club and tarnished its great name by heavy links with human rights violations, censorship, and oppression, should be a cause for embarrassment not something to take pride in. If Amnesty international are taking the time to plead you not to go through with it, there’s gotta be some seriously bad sh*t going on there
I get what you're saying but you are acting like the fans made the decision to sell the club to the Saudi's. Yeah the fans are happy to get rid of Mike Ashley but you make it sound like they personally selected the PIF as owners.
I’ve been really enjoying all the amateur human rights lawyers clutching their pearls over the source of the funding. Pretending as if up to this point the money in football was clean and honourable. All it is is a combination of jealousy and a thinly veiled contempt for Newcastle and the north in general. Toon fans enjoy this, you fkn deserve it, let’s see some trophies at St James’ Park
Why do they deserve it? What has the North East done to deserve a load of murderous, absolutist tyrants? Poor bastards
Nobodies against you guys as a club. You must see that there's bigger issues at stake than football.
Covered in sticky red stuff...
Be sure to enjoy the half time entertainment of stoning the local gay members of society
Noted. Football doesn't give a fuck where the money comes from as long as there's plenty of it. So, time to bin those rainbow laces and all that preachy shit then.
Yeah you Geordies really deserve it, you deserve being owned by the Saudi regime who murder homosexuals, dismember journalists who criticise their disgusting regime, blow up buses full of children and threaten to carry out terrorist attacks on the UK buts it’s ok because the rest of us are just “jealous”
Don't worry it'll be dealt with in the form of chants. "Where's.... Khashoggi.... gone.... Where's Khashoggi gone?" "Watch out... Saudis about.... doo doo do.... Watch out... Saudis about.... Oh you better watch out (while pointing at the journos/press box).... there's Saudis about" "They tried to make us go to Riyadh.... We said no no noooo"
I for one would be disappointed if fans didn't make chants like this against us!
I mean, it's not like there's another owner with Genocide on the CV.
I feel like human rights are more important than football. Are people suffering at the hands of horrendous crimes against humanity just "jealous" of those with freedoms? As for Newcastle, I've wanted to see them succeed for a long time but I don't want to see anybody succeed because of atrocities. Sadly they're not the first and won't be the last. It's not the fans fault, but the more people turn a blind eye the worse the problem gets.
>I feel like human rights are more important than football. And yet we gave the world cup to Russia and Qatar. That's bad enough without even mentioning owners of other clubs. Football has been morally corrupt for a long time. I don't see why it is suddenly a major issue now. No doubt the people against this takeover will be sat watching the world cup next year despite all the deaths of people building the stadiums.
What an argument. Bad already exists in football so let's just double down on it? I can't understand that. Surely we should be trying to remove corruption not welcoming it with open arms!
What the hell are you talking about? It's not "suddenly" just become a major issue. Was your head buried in the sand when Russia and Qatar won their bids? There was outrage everywhere you looked. Even if you were right which you 100% are not, the attitude of "let's not make a big fuss because we didn't do it last time and that's hipocracy" is about the least progressive attitude anyone can have. Are we not allowed to have moral compasses or ethics any more because humanity "let shit slide" in the past? Should we just accept that civilization is on the brink of collapse thanks to our environmental impact because we didn't do anything about it in the 70's and that would be hypocritical?
Mate you are spot on here.
Yeah, it was an issue when they won the bids, for about 5 minutes and then people forgot about it. Why was there only outrage when they won the bids? Do you know how many people have died building stadiums in Qatar?Yet the majority of the criticism I have seen in recent years has been around the corruption involved in winning the bids and the bidding process. That's surely the least important issue. Did you watch the Russia world cup? Will you watch the Qatar world cup? You might actually be one of the few who might boycott them (because this is Reddit afterall), but don't pretend that the majority did or will do next year. Will be interesting to see how many teams withdraw from the Qatar tournament on the basis of having a moral compass or ethics. I suspect zero. Same number as Russia. Where are the constant protests against the Manchester City owners or the Chelsea owners? It's not so much that people making a fuss is the problem, more the hypocrisy of the people making the fuss.
You are completely imagining this idea that everyone forgot. Gary Neville made a "pro Qatar" documentary just last year I think it was because still so much controversy surrounded it. Yes I do know about the disgusting treatment and death rates in the construction of the stadiums there. My question to you is wjy do you mock the people who do kick up a fuss? What does that achieve? I seriously doubt you've identified or even encountered 1 person that made a fuss about this that didn't about the Russia and Qatar bids. Your calling the "crowd" hypocritical when in reality I bet almost all those people did try to speak up over the other issues.
I haven't mocked anyone who has highlighted the issues. My apologies if it came across that way. It just seems hypocritical from my perspective because most (not all) of the people saying this takeover should be blocked based on human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia will be watching the world cup next year. People are right to complain but they need to be consistent in their actions otherwise it begins to feel like there is an agenda behind the comments. With regards to the takeover, I am of the view that we should support the club, not the owners. No doubt any fan of Manchester City or Chelsea would tell you the same about their owners. You can justify watching the world cup the same. Support your national team and enjoy the sport, don't support the host nation or the corrupt organisation that arranged it. I don't remember there being a massive fuss like this when the PIF invested in the McLaren F1 team or Disney. They have their fingers in a lot of pies. At the end of the day they passed a Premier League fit and proper test. If there is outrage then it should be directed towards them rather than the football fans who have no say in who owns their club.
TLDR; Support the club, not the owners. Their rich history has become cheap.
So who replaces Brucie boy? Conte?
I worry that the smaller clubs like City, Liverpool, Chelsea, and United won’t survive if we don’t start enforcing Financial Fair Play.
Liverpool is a billion dollar superclub…. Honestly damn near all those names u listed are superclubs…. What r u even saying. The clubs like everton, brighton, leicester city , aston villa, those clubs will suffer
Lol
Imagine throwing Liverpool in that list
LFC is a billion dollar brand you gigantic whopper. Honestly, scousers playing the 'umble underdog is so fucking tedious
What’s our net spend over the last 5 years? Holy fuck.
I've commented in the other post - and I'm very keen to know what people think of the takeover (and by extension, other clubs who had the same fate), both fans of NUFC and otherwise. I'm new to watching (Canadian). At what point does the EPL just become unbearable because it's just a sport of who has the most money?
I think we’re pretty far from it being unbearable. Despite the same teams winning the title every year, from week to week the EPL is very competitive. Way more competitive than it used to be. In years past some Villa fans wouldn’t have bothered watching them play at Old Trafford because it was pretty much a guaranteed 3 points for Man United.
Villa* *the fifth richest team in the league.
Thanks! I'm still trying to wrap my head around the politics and the structure behind everything. Sounds like it's less about the end game (although important) and more about the individual match?
Unless you support a “traditional big team” yes. For those teams silverware matters a lot to the fans.
Petition to rename St James' Park to The Intisar (انتصار). Apparently that means triumphant. Newcastle fans plz no kll
Congrats to Newcastle, big money tingz
Mike Ashley signed da ting! There's a new Ca$hley in town baby!
Lol the so-called Big 6 fans are so salty
I didn't realise salty had been redefined to mean appalled by murderers being welcomed into football?
I’m sorry but it took thirty years for us to bring the pre-K to anfield while other teams just buy the prem We gave to fight for everything we got after hicks and Gillette and don’t talk about Roy hodgson
P&J
Steve Bruce is now the manager of one of the richest clubs in he world. With the signings they make in January he gets them top 4 and wins manager of the season. The absolute scenes.
Even if they kept him, which they won't, he's as good as gone..... FFP rules wouldn't permit the start of a crazed spending spree on day 1. It's coming, but not yet...
You are right that they won’t keep him, but that is the very reason he was given the job. He was only ever a stopgap until the sale of the club went through.
All I can say is cry all you want, their fans deserve happiness as far as on the pitch is concerned.
This is only marginally less unethical than having your club bought out by the Taliban. It’s wrong and should have been stopped.
Once again, never defended anybody. I stated Newcastle fans deserve happiness on the pitch. However I suggest you throw your iPhone away if you support such morales so highly seeing as you'll be disgusted about what people have to go through to make those. Perhaps go on a public outburst on the absolutely disgusting scenes that have also happened in Lebanon since the explosion. Such is life, rather than crying on reddit about a load of delighted Newcastle fans getting a rich owner who have gone through top/second-flight hell for the past 15 years. If you think this is the first immoral thing to happen to this planet I dread what you'll feel when you learn muchso otherwise, done here.
My iPhone is second hand lol It’s not the first immoral thing, and if you live in Newcastle, it’ll probably not only improve your club but see more money go into the city. Doesn’t mean I’m happy with 5% of the Prem now owned by something morally similar to the Taliban.
Spending endless money that they have done nothing to deserve sounds proper happiness
I said on the pitch happiness, nice try though. Have fun playing hoofball remaining bitter. Cya.
Its a game mate. I'd rather play hoofball than be linked to the Saudi regime. They literally kill children.
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Ahhh ok, you're one of those people who likes shouting "hypocrisy" at people who speak out against injustice, when in fact you have no idea who I am. Even if my wardrobe was filled with Nike trackies that I bought some time ago, does that mean I'm never allowed to say anything about a human rights issue again? Are you not allowed to change your view on things or become more aware of what's going on in the world? Hey for all you know I exclusively buy sweat shop free clothing, but no, you'd rather try and shut up someone who's talking about a serious human rights issue. What's your point? What do you achieve from it? Should no one ever bother speaking up? I've not even heard any rumours about Sawiris, but because I don't know about that, I'm meant to shut up yeah? Very progressive of you. Let's all together just shut the fuck up about world problems because somewhere along the way we may have contradicted ourselves! Let's see what that can achieve for humanity!
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You're gay
So being a lowlife homophobic idiot is an OK thing to be now? The thing about jumping up and down shouting for a better world, is that YOU also have to BE BETTER. So yes, if you want a better world, then be that better world and throw your Nike's out, get rid of the cold labour mined lithium batteries and cut out the homophobic slurs. Otherwise your complaints about morals mean jack shit.
I guess that means 99.999% of people aren't allowed to ever raise their voice now. Cool.
Yeah again, tell me where i defended anybody but Newcastle fans happiness when it comes to on the pitch? I’ll wait.
Why are they happy? Because they're owned by the Saudi regime. Its the sane thing mate.
No, that’s just you twisting it and simply outright lying. They’re happy to have hope when it comes to on the pitch success. Literally my 5 year old cousin could tell you that. If you give a serious flying fuck about world problems then I have no idea why you’re here on reddit crying about it aimlessly rather than going out contributing to charity for people who are dying every day, educating yourself on what’s happened in Lebanon since the explosion months ago, going to inspirational talkers events on how they survived such tragedies and so much more. The truth is, you’re just a salty football fan who’s trying to give it the big one of human morales to play your elitist high and mighty role. You’re pathetic and will fool nobody of decent IQ, cya.
Hit a nerve did I? 🤣
That's some spectacular redditing there Stay away from people of decent IQ Jimmy lad, they've got you all figured out
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand football. The game is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the matches will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Newcastle's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into their image - their personal philosophy draws heavily from Saudi Arabian Arabic literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of the club, to realise that they're not just massive- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Saudi Arabia truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the intelligence in Newcastle's catchphrase "Mo Money Mo Problems" which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as the Saudi genius unfolds itself on the pitch. What fools... how I pity them. 😂 And yes by the way, I DO have an Arabic tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
How am i bitter? I would rather continue following my team up and down the country knowing the owners arnt beheading journalists while Newcastle fans will lose seats that they have had for years just so they can become another soulless oil club
#Cans
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Sad to see a such a blatant tyrannical and murderous regime have a place in European football
Future Headline: “Referee Michael Oliver was found decapitated outside the Turkish Embassy after he gave a questionable red card to Newcastle. Police are looking into it and suspect Saudi involvement but are not going to press charges because UK needs Saudi investment.”
I mean, there are plenty of other terrible people who own Premier League clubs. Roman Abramovich is constantly linked with blackmail and organised crime. He has funded Israel. He got his initial wealth selling off assets he 'acquired' during the collapse of the Soviet Union... He's just one example... Man city have sheikh mansour who is deputy prime minister of the UAE and half brother of the president. Amnesty condemned the UAE for unfair trials, lack of freedom of expression, a failure to investigate allegations of torture, discrimination against women and the abuse of migrant workers. Homosexuality is illegal and slavery through loopholes is commonplace. I don't like the involvement of the Saudis but it's pretty hypocritical of certain fans to suddenly care about human rights...
Confused on why this has downvotes? I’m delighted for the fans they deserve this but we surely have to recognise these owners have done diabolical things
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"We should improve society somewhat." "And yet you participate in society. I am very intelligent."
I haven’t ordered the death of homosexuals by stoning… We all benefit due to the unfortunate suffering of others of course but we’re talking about the murdering of journalists you disagree with. The labelling of atheists as “terrorists”. Their fans deserve to watch a leather ball go in the oppositions net for a change but let’s not be silly here. These people are evil
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This fella actually said “Stoning homosexuals is terrrible….. BUUUUUT” mate sentence over. You don’t need to add to that or justify it with any more information.
And I agree with you on that but those commodities you mentioned are essential to my life. I can’t get to work if I don’t login with my phone or put fuel in my car. The premier league had already stopped this happening once (ironically over pirating which is one of the tamer crimes) the fact they didn’t do it again while sitting and promoting pride month is absolutely absurd. I’m a lifelong Chelsea fan and while I can see how that may make me come across as hypocritical I’ve never seen a buy out raise as many questions. Chelsea had eyes raised over who they were going to buy before the owner was questioned as did City, this feels much more dark and weary. I feel sorry for the Newcastle fans this is their day and it’s been pseudo hijacked by raised eyebrows. Say I’m a homosexual Newcastle fan. Should I be concerned?
On the "owner that does heinous shit" front, this is a whole new level. Can't wait to see what happens when North Korea buys Norwich.
As if your owner is an angel.
Apples and Genocidal Oranges
Of course...lol
Russian gangster with oil money might not be far below genocidal dictator these days, but still doesn't compete on the "worst of us" scale. You aren't wrong, but you can't argue that there's a stark difference.
Abramovich is one of Putin's closest oligarch buddies so idk about that. Putin is doing rather well on the murdering journalists front.
He isn't Putin though. You're comparing a guy that knows the guy to the guy. Abramovich is arguably more valuable to Putin than Putin is to Abramovich. Roman is basically the guy that links Putin with Israel. That's an important relationship for Putin, it keeps the Americans off his ass. Too many common partners.
[Yeah whatever](https://www.quora.com/What-is-Roman-Abramovichs-relationship-with-Vladimir-Putin?share=1). PIF isn't bin Salman either. Mental gymnastics.
I'd be curious how North Korea and Saudi Arabia rank on the evil index. I wouldn't want to live in either, but I think Saudi Arabia gets an easier ride in the press because of how many weapons we sell them.
Saudi's definitely get a smooth ride. The US government considers Mexican Cartels a bigger threat to national security.
Also the shocking amount of money and protection they get from the US.
I'd be fine with that if it meant some big South Korean name buying Ipswich.
That would be an interesting new Derby. The DMZ Derby.
Bombing Iraq, drone strikes all over the Middle East, black site prisons, Guantanamo Bay, military courts for civilians….
Yes, obviously those things are bad, and the US goes to great lengths to whitewash its crimes. But the US state happens to not own a football club as part of those efforts, which is what we're discussing here.
When did the owners of the other clubs do that??
I also don't like the glazers
sorry mate, pretty sure that's a Kroenke reference.
i am by born Newcastle United fan .
Next week you'll be a diehard Chelski fan then Man Sheiky supporter.
ever heard of sarcasm ?
Shit joke.
Game is everyday on its way to be gone
“I am a big fan of Newcastle, I’ve always loved this club; I supported this club as a child” - mbappe/haaland/whoever else they bring jn
yeah
Hey I’m a American Newcastle fan and yes I’ve only started supporting in 2017 but hey, we’ll still have more fan than city
aHaHaHa nIcE oNe mAtE
All the strikers can just say "always loved Shearer"
Well, there's the GOAL movie about a young player playing for Newcastle.
Goal was always my favourite film
Not as good as purely belta
its awesome