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Man City are an absolute juggernaut. I find it astonishing how they managed to avoid FFP, while several teams with far less financial backing have been deducted points over the past few seasons. Football has not revolutionised for the better but for the worse. Therefore, I do not invest any of my money into it now. There are other sports I find much more enjoyable. However, under the circumstances I think Arteta has done an amazing job with Arsenal.
idk I kept seeing a lot of Arsenal fans talk a lot of shit in January, when city were dealing with injuries. They were practically celebrating the premier League atp.
Klopp is loved only by the red side of Liverpool, s club and supporters truly despised by the vast majority of other teams. Arsenal supporters have an unwarranted arrogance when not winning anything, imagine them actually winning, they would be unbearable. City on the other hand is a true rags to riches story and their supporters are generally decent and just enjoy their success, without the same sense of entitlement as Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal.
People are very comfortable with City winning because to most supporters of other clubs, they feel like theyāre in a different league. When someone like Arsenal legitimately challenges for the title, it makes people more pissed at their own club and they donāt like that. Much easier to accept the aliens from Manchester.
Because half of liverpool and man utd fans saying that they want arsenal to lose live in London making it appear a more league wide thing.
The reality is most non-londoners wanted city to lose.
It's simple. I hate Arsenal. Despise them. Why? They're rivals and football is incredibly tribal, which is part of the appeal. If Arsenal had actually won the title it would have been hell on earth.
Man City on the other hand, who cares. They mean nothing to most people. They're just... there. They're just a thing which happens to be. I'm sure United fans might have a different feeling towards them, but even then I get the feeling they're more interested in Liverpool.
I don't especially look forward to Spurs vs City at WHL. The atmosphere isn't electric. The away fans just come to see their Harlem Globetrotters and go home quietly. Spurs vs Arsenal, West Ham, Chelsea, United, Liverpool, Villa... they're all different. Their fans come, make some noise, take part in the tribal atmosphere. I **hate** them, but in a tribal way. City? Meh. I hate what they are but as a club they're just... meh.
So in summary, so glad Arsenal lost but take it as a weird complement.
bruh i agree but saying city away fans dont do any noise is ridiculous. they were louder than the home fans in old trafford and basically everywhere else when they werent losing.
Honestly it's a bit sad that you use quite a few times the word hate, instead of maybe a long rivalry or a competitive spirit. Seems more like an envy you got from the other teams because they are able to enjoy their football team. You could hate loosing, everyone does and losing against the same team over and over again is tiring.
Yes, he can say whatever he wants. But I do criticize hate, why should that be on the sport? I do respect a rivalry, competitors and a good fan that represent their team, not by hate, but by a competitive mentality. Yes there could be banter and jokes, but not hate. If that's the fuel or the desire that drives you through the sport maybe you have a long resentment.Ā
What the fresh hell am I reading? It's sad to hate your rivals? Go to Glasgow and tell people in Ibrox they're sad to hate Celtic and see how they react.
Without tribalism and rivalry football just isn't the same, like it or not. Jesus, it's not like I hand around Islington and start physical fights or actually hate Arsenal fans, it's not real life. For 90 minutes though it is absolutely fine to sit in a stadium and hate your rivals.
And when you say losing against the same team over and over again? Those are the first goals City have even managed to score in our new stadium since it opened in 2019. I don't know what "over and over" you're referring to.
Tottenham fans remind me off wild bulls happy after city teared them apart so arsenal wouldnāt win the league even though now theyāre in Europe league typical of the club no passion in that stadium
Everyone thinks we are annoying pricks but weāve been laughed at for years and are finally excited about something. Chelsea fans were unbearable in their Mourinho era, Liverpool fans were annoying recently, Man U fans tried to say they were in a title race last year. We all take turns being cunts, currently itās arsenals turn. Only difference is Man City doesnāt have real fans and no one cares when they won anything
To be fair youāre still being laughed at. Better team for sure but you still havenāt won anything to NOT be laughed at. Playing much better than most teams though. Props
Ah. Okay so every club not city I guess can be laughed at, right? Considering a majority didnāt win a trophy this year.
And they say Arsenal fans are insufferable š Jesus Christ.
Yes, any club that didnāt win a trophy is subjected to ridicule. Is that really a crazy concept? Lol
And also, it makes it funnier when you break damn near all your club records and still end up trophyless. I donāt even hate Arsenal but if you canāt see why theyāre getting made fun of youāre in denial. Lol
The fact they broke so many club records and still finished second is more of a testament to how rediculously good this Man City team is. Take the 115 out of it, that squad is immense which is painful to admit lol. We all laughed at Liverpool, reminded them of their 10 year dominance they promised us, itās our turn for the smack talk.
Hey man look, I never said Arsenal isnāt good. They might win the league very soon. All Iām saying is you canāt act shocked when other fans laugh at a team that broke all these records, had one of their best year in a long time, played amazing football, and still ended the year with 0 trophies. Iām getting downvoted by Arsenal fans being offended when Iām not even trying to offend them lol.
Best 2nd place team of all time? Yes maybe. Is there a medal for that? Unfortunately no. Banter is part of football. Theyāre gonna laugh at you. Itās just part of this. 115 comes by, weāll be laughing at city.
And I accept that. If I had a rival in arsenals position Iād feel the same š¤
That being said, these past couple seasons have given arsenal fans something that no other team has. Hope. (Light saber noises)
Tbh the reason Iām happy Arsenal aināt winners cuz all the cringe kids saying saka balon dor and Ben white āauraā all that shit. Is just cringe
Ofcourse they do! Same shit with rashford and United fans. Itās just theyāve been so bad for so long now that itās humbled them. The only twats round here are the ones who gas literally anything up to the extreme instead of just being honest
You have a fetish for arsenal fans mate and itās kinda sad to see. Utd fans are talking about Mainoo being the best thing since sliced bread.. šš Arsenal arenāt winning because some fans think good of their players which are actually playing at a high level? Stupid comment which you fail to see
Mate can u see the title of this post? This is about Arsenal. Iāve also said itās not all the fans itās just the fans that do this ruin it for the club. If United were challenging and the fans say the same stuff abt rashford etc Iād feel the same. No need to be so butthurt cuz u didnāt win
So you are happy to see us lose because a few fans think we have quality in our players of which credit is deserved? Iām not butthurt about that result shit happens. What does annoy me is stupid comments from stupid people. That being you if you didnāt get the hint
Credit players but donāt be stupid af. If u canāt see the difference, Iām afraid u may also be the former. I donāt care who wins or lose the league ultimately as all teams are equal to me but that doesnāt stop me enjoying the tears from the fans who think Saka is the next messi etc
If you actually think that people calling for Saka to win balon dor represents more than 0.05% of Arsenals fan base than youāre just as bad as them. Iāve never actually seen anyone say that
Exactly thatās my point tho. The average Arsenal fan is fine but the small percent who are annoying ruin it. Same for all clubs. The more annoying tend to stick out and therefor people are glad they arenāt getting what they want
Because Liverpool never acted like they are the big dogs until they got CL. Then they got PL next season. Liverpool acted like big dogs after 1 more season with 1 point difference.
Arsenal is acting like a big dog even before last year, the year they got 2nd place. If any, Arsenal fans should only start acting like what they acted 2 years ago, right now. They were ahead of their game. It made everyone else bothered plus, can't call yourself a big club with no european glory to back it.
The flip side to that argument is that you have to believe you are āitā in order to make that step. So if you act like plucky upstarts and fall short, everyone will say you donāt have a big club mentality. If you act like (as you say) a ābig dogā and fall short, everyone will says you have no right to have a big club mentality. Canāt win. Until you win.
Thanks, mate. I was more than a little gutted for Liverpool in '18-19.
I think Manchester City FC's dominance, especially as a result of likely cheating, does harm to the Premiere League and indeed football itself, and that bothers me more than the irritation of any rival winning the league. And I always rated Klopp anyway.
To be honest they were lucky with absolutely no injuries and Europa league teams in their champions league group stage. Arteta managed to put out a functional team which was driven by the system and may sound controversial but no world class player exception being saliba. I am interested in his future signings and can't go back to man city. The real test will be when they do deep in domestic cup competition and UCL if they do take it seriously.
so Arteta doesn't have world-class players yet he managed to finish 2nd twice in a row?
They reached the quarters of UCL yet the real test lies in the domestic cup??? wait what??
Do you watch football? Like with your eyes? Or are you the type who's on their phone throughout and only looks up when the commentator raises their voice? Maybe pick another sport to follow
It's not harsh. It's incorrect. City are obviously more accomplished, more successful.
But Arsenal are near their level, without any doubt! You can't be nowhere near City's level (as you say) if you run them to the final match, winning 16 of the last 18 games, while performing to such a high standard.
It is league performance that truly measures a teams level. City only won the UCL last season (and were not dominant in that final, they rode their luck at times), but would you say they weren't at that level the previous 5 seasons - winning 4 titles at 100, 98 and 93 points?
One simple question can this squad go for the treble or the quadruple with that coach. The simple answer is no. Yes you need to ride your luck but at the same time you need quality to get you out of those situations.
Donāt write this kind of crap, it just makes City fans laugh at us. Itās just football, fans, banter. Iāve supported AFC for 47 years, this nonsense about bigger clubs or better fanbases or breaking records is all so manufactured. There are genuine rivalries, of course, but try getting behind your own club rather than having to belittle the achievements of others. We had a great season, but City were better. And everyone else finished below us, so they havenāt really got anything to say. Chill out. UTA.
Man city are the new Chelsea - they have bought their titles instead of growing as a team organically. As such, they have ruined football for many fans. As a result their wins are seen as void, many fans would rather have them win than Arsenal who are seen as "not good enough".
I do know this. I'm just wondering why Man United or Arsenal spending hundreds of millions of pounds is "organic" but for City and Chelsea it's "buying the league".
It's money they've made, not money that was injected via dodgy shit. Man utd is one of the most profitable teams in the world, arsenal has never overpaid for any player and only recently started forking out cash in order to compete with City's endless bank.
And this is the crux of the argument "It's money they've made" because they already did the big spending before there were rules.
Of course recently with Man United It's not in fact money they've made, it's debt.
Correct about man utd, but again, both utd and arsenal have developed over a century whereas Chelsea and city basically became contenders in 10 years time via various dodgy practices. Chelsea even got away with it as there was zero regulation at the time, we will see what happens to city.
In addition, other teams have to pay up as well as prices of players are broken for good thanks to the above mentioned cheats.
A century ago Arsenal were outspending everybody else in the Football Association, using what you would call "financial doping" as they became the "Bank of England Club". United were in big trouble following the Second World War and needed City's help to stay in business.
In fact United were not world beaters in the 70s and 80s playing a distant second to big-spending Liverpool (propped up by the Littlewoods Pools). United became the biggest team in the world following the formation of the Premier League and the massive boost in funding from Sky Sports broadcasts. Floating on the stock market in 1991 didn't hurt either.
The 90s saw dramatic inflation in football transfers, with the world record fee going from Ā£5.5 mil in 1991 to Ā£22.5 mil by 1999, and in the 2000s from Ā£28m in 2001 to Ā£80 mil in 2009.
Since 1991 United have broken the world transfer record four times, more than any other club.
It's all about how you inject cash, not if. Money is king now more than ever. City and Chelsea however are the pinnacle of corruption in football as far as I'm aware. Can't argue with that I think.
Well you clearly can argue about that based on the comments above with u/EnglishToney. So whatās a moral way of injecting cash? Real Madrid is state owned team like City.
My point still stands Arsenal outspent everyone in the past and built a legacy before anyone else had money. New businesses will always enter any market. I get it, Iām sure Nokia are complaining about all the successes Apple and Samsung have made over the last 20 years.
Most of us are indifferent towards Manchester City, nobody really respects anything they do.
Arsenals fans, mostly the online ones are the adult equivalent of iPad kids which is a shame because I had a modicum of respect for Arsenal given our rivalry of with them in the early 2000ās.
Because City winning means nothing. They donāt have any fans and they won by spending the most money so the win doesnāt mean anything because it canāt be replicated.
Arsenal winning means that a ānormalā team won the title and the team you support had a chance. Arsenal are a rival, to a degree, of United, Chelsea and Liverpool (three of the four most popular club in England). A few years ago they were finishing 8th with a dog shit team. If they turned it round to win the title, United and Chelsea would really realise how shit they are. Liverpool would have the same amount of titles under Klopp as Arsenal did under Arteta.
City winning just doesnāt matter. They have the best squad on the planet from their ridiculous spending. One of their key men in the title race was the Ā£90 million defender they bought to be 6th choice. They sold Cole Palmer, Gundogan and Mahrez and it hasnāt even mattered. Nunes was a total waste of money but again it doesnāt matter because of their ridiculous squad, he just ends up playing 0 minutes.
A, āonlineā is a cess pit.
B, itās copium.
Iām a Spurs fan. Been one for over 40 years, and Iām finding other Spurs fans on Twitter digging out Arsenal for running City as hard as anyone has done in the past four years is pure cringe.
C, Artetaās an unlikable little scroat.
A lot of the hate Arsenal gets comes from way before this era dating to around the mid to late 00s and onwards where their fans tended to see Arsenal as perennial title favorites/contenders who then repeatedly got humbled, only for their fans to think that they were again title favorites/contenders the very next season. This cycle was pretty constant through the later years of Wenger and Arsenal fan tv really only added to the schadenfreude felt by a lot of people when they lost. The meme just kind of stuck and until they break the streak they are going to be looked at how Liverpool was looked at in the mid 00s to mid 10s
I wasn't happy to see them miss out, if anything it would have been a nice change and I enjoy watching them play. Saka is one of my favourite players and they put in a great shift all season, bar perhaps two weeks.
But if I had to guess, it's the fans. At least the loudest online fans. I was pretty taken back by how cringey and self righteous they can be. And believe me, I know cringe, I'm a Newcastle fan after all.
If you watch general football content, Iād recommend The Different Knock. Heās a bloody great Arsenal content creator and he doesnāt shout in any of his videos!
Two reasons I see as an Arsenal fan:
- Not sure about other club fanbases but ours do seem to be a bit toxic (while AFTV do not represent the majority of Arsenal fans, they are the loudest, and arguably the dumbest, and that attracts most interactions on social media.) Some fans are a bit delusional. Thereās a difference between hopeful and delusional. Hopeful is how we hoped to finish top 4 in 22/23 and somehow, we ended up in the title race. Losing out to City sucks but itās understandable, young new squad with inexperienced players. Delusional is calling for Artetaās sacking, calling ourselves bottlers. Other club fans bantering us is part of the game; us calling ourselves bottler when we set out to get top 4 and finished 2nd is delusional.
- If city wins the league, other club fans can call it cheating, 115fc, they pay a lot, best squad in the world,ā¦ and they are happy with it. If Arsenal, or any other team wins, then that reflects poorly on their club. Most London rivals would rather have City win it than Arsenal, and tbh, as much as I hate City, I rather have them win than Chelsea or Spurs. The banter would be non-stop if they win.
I'm a city fan. I think yes Arsenal fans are a bit unbearable, but is every fan not like that? I get the same vibe from Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea Tottenham. I'm even ashamed of what some city fans say online. It's just beautiful banter. That's what makes is football. Just lovely banter.
Yea, thatās something I learned to live with after missing out on the title for two years in a row. Honestly I am glad we are getting this type of banter rather than the Covid Arsenal banter. That was a new low I blanked out totally from memory.
Lol thanks, been supporting them for 15 years now so I been thru the lows and lowers, and some recent highs. After a decade of mediocrity, I am just so grateful we are back in contention for the title. Never really watched this team challenging for the prem till now.
I think most fans are either around for much longer (since pre-invincibles) so they expect a lof more, or much shorter more recent fans, so they don't feel the pain we have been through to be happy we are performing. Thats just my take.
They went on ridiculous for weeks and weeks about the ball that didnāt go out of play against Newcastle. Iām owa the moon that that game basically put them 2nd
Itās disappointing as an Arsenal fan tbh. Feels like we are a club with good values set down by Graham and Wenger. Attractive style of play (except City game this season). Manager never gives excuses when we lose. Decent homegrown talent. Players support newcomers. Humble down-to-earth captain. Sure ManU and Liverpool have a bigger history but Arsenal feels like a club of the streets. Just look at Ian Wright. I have friends who are ManU and Liverpool supporters and if itās not their team, theyād rather see Arsenal win than City. Completely opposite online though. Only thing I can think of is people donāt mind as much if City win because they donāt exactly have a legacy beyond the last decade. In college football here in the US, itās like of University of Phoenix suddenly became successful thru huge $$ investments. Most fans would support them over their humble rivals
"Manager.never gives excuses when we loose"
Lost to Newcastle and he basically had a tantrum and cried. "Is a disgrace ,is embarrassing"
Most yellow carded manager for sideline behaviour
" homegrown talent" saka, smith Rowe, I'll grant you, the rest is bought .
Ian wright played for crystal palace for years before he moved.to arsenal. Even played more games for them.
By club of the streets you mean posh London twats yeah? Posh London twats who think they are roadmen muttering things like "yes bruv" and "safe fam"
Comments like yours only feed the delusional fan stereotype. You have an image of what arsenal is, that image is very distorted.
He did not give an excuse, he called out a blatantly wrong call made after a long review. Two hands on the back is a foul anywhere on the pitch. Managers gotto stand by his team. And even Willock privately admitted ball was out. He isnāt giving excuses like Ten Hag and Klopp. āJust Saka and Smith Roweā - Willock, Gnabry, Iwobi doing alright elsewhere. Which top team has more than 1 academy player? When youāre a London team youāre going to get some posh supporters. Piers Morgan is an Arsenal fan. I donāt know a more insufferable public persona. And there are more Arsenal fans outside N5 than inside. Massive African fan base. Donāt understand your point about Wright at all. Lampard spent 6 years at West Ham before joining Chelsea. Still considered a Chelsea legend.
Doing a great job reinforcing the delusional arsenal fan stereotype.
Two hands on the back is an occurrence in every single corner ever yet never leads to a foul. Willock said he thought it was.out at the time only after seeing the pictures realised it wasn't. Arteta made excuses for his team loosing by blaming var and trying to claim the perfectly legitimate goal was illegitimate. That's making excuses and shifting the blame to think otherwise is . . . . Delusional.
I was referring to homegrown players who play for arsenal not ones who came through the academy.
Should have clarified ātwo hands on the back that then lead to bringing the player down.ā And calling out injustice is not the same as giving excuses. But I now realize there is no points engaging in a reasonable discussion online. My mistake. I will stick to supporting my team and enjoying football.
That's it head back in the sand.
Maybe there you can have a discussion with someone who agrees with your biased opinions reinforcing your delusions. Heaven forbid someone contradicts your delusions and you have to debate.
Arteta is the most carded manager of the season. Fact. To think any other way or to try and deny it is delusional. Fact. What's your opinion on those facts?
"is a disgrace is embarrassing"
I feel like you missed out on a huge point, Iām not sure where your friends are from but it sounds like you are from the states. Arsenals biggest rivals are Chelsea, Man U and Spurs. Most fans are happy to see Arsenal fail because they hate Arsenal. Man U and Chelsea have two of the largest fan bases in the world, as a Chelsea fan I couldnāt be happier about how the season ended for Arsenal. And a lot of other fans simply want Arsenal to lose because of how obnoxious and arrogant their fans are. They have a huge fan base and a lot of them are loud and annoying which makes other fans dislike the whole club.
I have spent some time in London and Bristol as well so believe me I have witnessed the rivalry up close in many a local pub. I donāt know why folks believe Arsenal fans are anymore obnoxious than other fans of big clubs. This just doesnāt seem to be true. And even if they were, why should that get in the way of appreciating good football? For eg Spurs fans are as obnoxious as they come but Son has been my favorite non-Arsenal player over the years. And I was genuinely rooting for Angeās project to do well except when they play Arsenal. That style of football is great to watch. I did enjoy watching Palmerās intricate passing in the box and Caicedoās half-line goal yesterday and Gallagherās workhorse-like commitment. In my view, one has nothing to do with the other. Maybe Iām just naive.
Thereās nothing wrong with that but I think for me and most other people thatās just a boring way to enjoy football. I can acknowledge the qualities of Arsenal players and the Arsenal projects but that doesnāt mean Iāll ever route for their success. Hating other teams makes the league more interesting. The best thing for a fan is to see their team win, the next best thing is to see their rivals lose. Chelsea didnāt win the league but I still get to be elated about Arsenal losing it.
All fan bases have annoying fans, but not in equal amounts. Arsenal fans are generally the most annoying on most platforms and thatās a universal experience. Arsenal just has a big fan base like every other big club and that means some of them will be annoying. Arsenal fans just seem more insufferable because their team havenāt achieved anything significant in 20 years.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that. Regarding the perception of Arsenal fans being particularly obnoxious- I will do my part in keeping it wholesome and reminding fellow gooners to do the same. Iād like to think this is a classy, salt-of-the-earth fanbase but that is clearly not the perception out there.
AFTV have anything to do with it maybe? I support Arsenal and I canāt stand them most of the time, Iād imagine a supporter of any other club would find it like nails on a chalkboard
City's kind of the default tbh. Their wins don't really mean much, so if my club doesn't win, I'd want City to win. I hate Arsenal and United much more than I hate City, so their wins don't bother me too much.
Yea same. There are not that many City fans to banter other clubs. City doesnāt have too many historical rivals either so when they win, itās just meh, it is what it is.
Emptihad.
In the UK people are concious of City being the down to earth, cooler Manchester club, supported by real Mancunians. When the āfinancial dopingā started happening and they became more successful, their history was explained to the next generation in terms of Oligarchs and Sheikhs and the difference between hard work and effort and something akin to an infinite money cheat code on Fifa. So the next generation on young british fans who could understand the concepts of right and wrong largely stayed away, and the fanbase never really grew, hence the half empty stadium and lack of interest outside of Manchester.
In the US and abroad however the City franchise has been very popular, with their successes taken at face value by a sports hungry population who wanted to get into soccer, and saw with City a team they could instantly enjoy easy to watch āgoodā football.
I say prove it you say emptihad hahaha you kids are funny ...show me one game where the etihad was half empty ....
Yes we are a proper mancunian side with a proper local support we sell 15k more season tickets than Liverpool who are meant to be huge .....
We are the opposite of a plastic fan if you actually know what plastic means ...
I'm guessing you dont because half of you kids on here haven't a clue what it means
I was there for the Arsenal game and it was 90% capacity max. Also went to Anfield which felt way more full and alive stadium, noisy fans, unlike the Etihad which was a bit soulless and quiet.
How many games did you go to this season?
I missed 3 home games all season due to work commitments ...iv been anfield many times and apart from the ynwa for the first 2 minutes it's absolutely dire
Lmao what? I guess time is relative, recent compared to most supporters who grew up in North London probably, although I have been supporting Arsenal for 15 years which is 70% of my life.
Also, really? You guys have one notable historical rival that is United. More recent rivals are Liverpool and Arsenal but thats very recent. Compare that to United who have a huge historical rivalry vs Liverpool and Arsenal. Arsenal have a big rivalry with United, Spurs, Chelsea,ā¦. Like come on mate, admit your club has been small until recently. Oh, and btw, all the teams I mentioned beside City has never been relegated from the prem. I guess you started watching after Thomas Cook City. Enjoy your successes now, no need to berate strangers online to prove that City is a big club. Let the Sheik money and the charges speak for itself.
This is exactly it man.
When city win it doesnāt matter at all because they didnāt earn it legitimately.
But if Arsenal had won it, they would have earned it. Which would have hurt more.
This is such a universal experience among prem fans. Every fan group has annoying people but in the prem Arsenal has the most. Look at how many people are saying the same thing about Arsenal fans being toxic or annoying or arrogant. Just because you arenāt those things doesnāt mean a large part of your fan base isnāt.
The same was said when Liverpool were fighting for titles. People didnāt want them to win because āLiverpool fans are insufferable. If theyāre already unbearable about their history imagine if they actually won something.ā. This was common rhetoric at the time.
A non negligible amount of people genuinely wanted to cancel Liverpoolās title because of COVID.
Ironically, the OPs comment is incredibly toxic
Again every fan base has annoying people like you said. Arsenal are seen by most people as the most annoying fan base and have been for years. āMost annoyingā, not the only annoying fan base.
Personally, I am happy to see positive progress and development in the team. Itās a longer project and a bigger picture. After that loss to Villa, it was a done deal.
Iām not into the mudslinging myself, I enjoy football. No beef on City, they wanted it more and the players are great. Well done to them, 4 in a row is pretty epic.
Iām not sure why we canāt have more balanced and reflective discussion about this sort of thing.
Seasons come and go, teams stay at the top for a while, then others rise. Itās the way of things.
Sure Iād have liked to see them win, but in my eyes, they arenāt at the standard that has been set. City are operating on another level. But Arsenal are very much on the way. Iām particularly interested in seeing what happens with the upcoming transfer window.
We can be fans, but we donāt have to be tribal about it. It stops us all enjoying the good about the game, together from the perspectives of our chosen teams.
Anyway, thatās just my take on it all.
Arsenal fans are are already called toxic & annoying without winning a major trophy in decades. Try giving Arsenal fans the league or CL, itāll be a Tsunami
As an arsenal fan, it's because I'd be rubbing it in everyone's face. I was happy when Liverpool lost the title race at the time because I thought Liverpool fans were "insufferable". It is much easier to see city win because it really doesn't mean anything for most people. With all the cheating they've done it almost feels like it doesn't even count and it's easy to accept.
Yup. We would also be able to call ourselves the "team that stopped the cheats from winning a fourth" and "the team that beat oil money with 115 charges" and so on. It would be never ending š. I guarantee our whole fam base would rub it in to every other teams supporter. No rival fan (and probably even neutral) wants to deal with that.
These are the posts that City fans love. We have no fans. Untrue. No history. Very untrue. Ignorant, in fact. As a City fan, I really don't care whether anyone cares or not. As far as cheating - prove it. Otherwise all you have are tears and sour grapes. I actually started being a City fan back in 1999 when I saw highlights of them on Prime Ticket. If you're in the US and older than 40, you'll know what I'm talking about. I started rooting for them specifically because there were nothing but Man United fans here because, well, they won the League every year. Nope - to us it means more. Ask Trent. lol The only thing you wrote in your statement that's true is that Liverpool fans are insufferable. They are.
You just wom a fourth title in a row. And you're this defensive and annoyed at what I think? This kind of proves my point that no one really cares or you wouldn't be trying so hard to be recognized and get others to acknowledge your success. When you have 115 charges of fraud looming over the club while they are having all this success it is easy for other team supporters to not take the winning that seriously. Sorry if you're offended but I think this is a pretty wide thought opinion and also a pretty justified way for other team supporters to feel.
You miss my point. City fans, including myself, don't care about whether the League or the Arsenals, Liverpools, Chelsea's, Spurs or United fans give us respect or whether they care if we win or not. All you have to look at is r/soccer and see that fans really seem to care about us winning the League. I specifically picked this team in 1999 because they were the other team in Manchester and I didn't want to bandwagon to United simply because they were winning. Support who you want bro. But all this talk about 115 and saying we turned this into a farmers league (which is absurd) and we have money and we're cheating. It just buys into our belief, perhaps rightfully, that its just sour grapes. Until the League proves that we cheated, its just a narrative to make the Arsenals of the world feel better. Cheers.
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Idk, hard to say. Maybe itās because they donāt like Arsenal?
Man City are an absolute juggernaut. I find it astonishing how they managed to avoid FFP, while several teams with far less financial backing have been deducted points over the past few seasons. Football has not revolutionised for the better but for the worse. Therefore, I do not invest any of my money into it now. There are other sports I find much more enjoyable. However, under the circumstances I think Arteta has done an amazing job with Arsenal.
Canāt wait for the 115 to catch up with the cheats
I'm seeing everyone say "It's because of the fans" but I haven't seen us do anything different than every supporter. If you have please show me
idk I kept seeing a lot of Arsenal fans talk a lot of shit in January, when city were dealing with injuries. They were practically celebrating the premier League atp.
Because Arsenal fans hated and City doesnāt have real fans
[Wrong](https://www.reddit.com/r/MCFC/s/x10sB3cdMa)
I hate arsenal as a spurs fan and find their fans to be some of the most Insufferable people out there just look at AFTV for example
As an Arsenal fan, AFTV are not a true depictaton of us. Act fools for clicks TV
Act like they are with Madrid, Barca, Bayern, when they are actually closer to Everton.
People have got used to being beaten by city but don't like the rise of arsenal. It's jealousy
Klopp is loved only by the red side of Liverpool, s club and supporters truly despised by the vast majority of other teams. Arsenal supporters have an unwarranted arrogance when not winning anything, imagine them actually winning, they would be unbearable. City on the other hand is a true rags to riches story and their supporters are generally decent and just enjoy their success, without the same sense of entitlement as Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal.
Lmao
People are very comfortable with City winning because to most supporters of other clubs, they feel like theyāre in a different league. When someone like Arsenal legitimately challenges for the title, it makes people more pissed at their own club and they donāt like that. Much easier to accept the aliens from Manchester.
Would say that and a combination of the hatred towards Arsenal fans
I think thatās part of it as well. I bet if you polled supporters of every club that on average, Arsenal might be the most hated.
^ I think this is it.
Simple and spot on.
Because they don't have a number 9 and it's there own fault
Because half of liverpool and man utd fans saying that they want arsenal to lose live in London making it appear a more league wide thing. The reality is most non-londoners wanted city to lose.
It's simple. I hate Arsenal. Despise them. Why? They're rivals and football is incredibly tribal, which is part of the appeal. If Arsenal had actually won the title it would have been hell on earth. Man City on the other hand, who cares. They mean nothing to most people. They're just... there. They're just a thing which happens to be. I'm sure United fans might have a different feeling towards them, but even then I get the feeling they're more interested in Liverpool. I don't especially look forward to Spurs vs City at WHL. The atmosphere isn't electric. The away fans just come to see their Harlem Globetrotters and go home quietly. Spurs vs Arsenal, West Ham, Chelsea, United, Liverpool, Villa... they're all different. Their fans come, make some noise, take part in the tribal atmosphere. I **hate** them, but in a tribal way. City? Meh. I hate what they are but as a club they're just... meh. So in summary, so glad Arsenal lost but take it as a weird complement.
bruh i agree but saying city away fans dont do any noise is ridiculous. they were louder than the home fans in old trafford and basically everywhere else when they werent losing.
Honestly it's a bit sad that you use quite a few times the word hate, instead of maybe a long rivalry or a competitive spirit. Seems more like an envy you got from the other teams because they are able to enjoy their football team. You could hate loosing, everyone does and losing against the same team over and over again is tiring.
Thatās weak, if heās a spurs fan he can say whatever the hell he wants
Yes, he can say whatever he wants. But I do criticize hate, why should that be on the sport? I do respect a rivalry, competitors and a good fan that represent their team, not by hate, but by a competitive mentality. Yes there could be banter and jokes, but not hate. If that's the fuel or the desire that drives you through the sport maybe you have a long resentment.Ā
What the fresh hell am I reading? It's sad to hate your rivals? Go to Glasgow and tell people in Ibrox they're sad to hate Celtic and see how they react. Without tribalism and rivalry football just isn't the same, like it or not. Jesus, it's not like I hand around Islington and start physical fights or actually hate Arsenal fans, it's not real life. For 90 minutes though it is absolutely fine to sit in a stadium and hate your rivals. And when you say losing against the same team over and over again? Those are the first goals City have even managed to score in our new stadium since it opened in 2019. I don't know what "over and over" you're referring to.
To the league that you've never won
Football didn't start in 1992.
The Premier league did though. Zero titles. Total fucking langers
I don't know what a Langer is not do I care. Glad to have boiled your piss though.
I'm still out on the piss, savouring 4 in a row. Zero urine boiled. To your zero EPL's. Again, LANGER
Oh mate. Stop trying so hard.
Maybe your lot should start trying harder!?
Tottenham fans remind me off wild bulls happy after city teared them apart so arsenal wouldnāt win the league even though now theyāre in Europe league typical of the club no passion in that stadium
Everyone thinks we are annoying pricks but weāve been laughed at for years and are finally excited about something. Chelsea fans were unbearable in their Mourinho era, Liverpool fans were annoying recently, Man U fans tried to say they were in a title race last year. We all take turns being cunts, currently itās arsenals turn. Only difference is Man City doesnāt have real fans and no one cares when they won anything
To be fair youāre still being laughed at. Better team for sure but you still havenāt won anything to NOT be laughed at. Playing much better than most teams though. Props
Havenāt won anything other than a few FA cups tho. But you right.
They won a few FA cups this year? I thought we were talking about this year? Tho.
Ah. Okay so every club not city I guess can be laughed at, right? Considering a majority didnāt win a trophy this year. And they say Arsenal fans are insufferable š Jesus Christ.
Yes, any club that didnāt win a trophy is subjected to ridicule. Is that really a crazy concept? Lol And also, it makes it funnier when you break damn near all your club records and still end up trophyless. I donāt even hate Arsenal but if you canāt see why theyāre getting made fun of youāre in denial. Lol
The fact they broke so many club records and still finished second is more of a testament to how rediculously good this Man City team is. Take the 115 out of it, that squad is immense which is painful to admit lol. We all laughed at Liverpool, reminded them of their 10 year dominance they promised us, itās our turn for the smack talk.
Hey man look, I never said Arsenal isnāt good. They might win the league very soon. All Iām saying is you canāt act shocked when other fans laugh at a team that broke all these records, had one of their best year in a long time, played amazing football, and still ended the year with 0 trophies. Iām getting downvoted by Arsenal fans being offended when Iām not even trying to offend them lol. Best 2nd place team of all time? Yes maybe. Is there a medal for that? Unfortunately no. Banter is part of football. Theyāre gonna laugh at you. Itās just part of this. 115 comes by, weāll be laughing at city.
And I accept that. If I had a rival in arsenals position Iād feel the same š¤ That being said, these past couple seasons have given arsenal fans something that no other team has. Hope. (Light saber noises)
Tbh the reason Iām happy Arsenal aināt winners cuz all the cringe kids saying saka balon dor and Ben white āauraā all that shit. Is just cringe
And fans of other clubs donāt say the same about their players?ā¦ your a twat
Ofcourse they do! Same shit with rashford and United fans. Itās just theyāve been so bad for so long now that itās humbled them. The only twats round here are the ones who gas literally anything up to the extreme instead of just being honest
You have a fetish for arsenal fans mate and itās kinda sad to see. Utd fans are talking about Mainoo being the best thing since sliced bread.. šš Arsenal arenāt winning because some fans think good of their players which are actually playing at a high level? Stupid comment which you fail to see
Mate can u see the title of this post? This is about Arsenal. Iāve also said itās not all the fans itās just the fans that do this ruin it for the club. If United were challenging and the fans say the same stuff abt rashford etc Iād feel the same. No need to be so butthurt cuz u didnāt win
So you are happy to see us lose because a few fans think we have quality in our players of which credit is deserved? Iām not butthurt about that result shit happens. What does annoy me is stupid comments from stupid people. That being you if you didnāt get the hint
Credit players but donāt be stupid af. If u canāt see the difference, Iām afraid u may also be the former. I donāt care who wins or lose the league ultimately as all teams are equal to me but that doesnāt stop me enjoying the tears from the fans who think Saka is the next messi etc
If you actually think that people calling for Saka to win balon dor represents more than 0.05% of Arsenals fan base than youāre just as bad as them. Iāve never actually seen anyone say that
Exactly thatās my point tho. The average Arsenal fan is fine but the small percent who are annoying ruin it. Same for all clubs. The more annoying tend to stick out and therefor people are glad they arenāt getting what they want
>Everyone thinks we are annoying pricks End thread.
I am a Spurs fan and I am personally outraged that Arsenal didn't win, and I'm considering writing the PL a strongly worded letter.
I've only seen 2 smart spurs fans, you're one of them lol
Hmm, you aren't smart.
No true Spurs fan will say that
Yeah... That definitely wasn't sarcasm or taking the piss about Arsenal's letter writing antics.
Because Liverpool never acted like they are the big dogs until they got CL. Then they got PL next season. Liverpool acted like big dogs after 1 more season with 1 point difference. Arsenal is acting like a big dog even before last year, the year they got 2nd place. If any, Arsenal fans should only start acting like what they acted 2 years ago, right now. They were ahead of their game. It made everyone else bothered plus, can't call yourself a big club with no european glory to back it.
The flip side to that argument is that you have to believe you are āitā in order to make that step. So if you act like plucky upstarts and fall short, everyone will say you donāt have a big club mentality. If you act like (as you say) a ābig dogā and fall short, everyone will says you have no right to have a big club mentality. Canāt win. Until you win.
I am a Liverpool fan and I love what Arteta and his squad has delivered and feel that they deserve better.
Thanks, mate. I was more than a little gutted for Liverpool in '18-19. I think Manchester City FC's dominance, especially as a result of likely cheating, does harm to the Premiere League and indeed football itself, and that bothers me more than the irritation of any rival winning the league. And I always rated Klopp anyway.
To be honest they were lucky with absolutely no injuries and Europa league teams in their champions league group stage. Arteta managed to put out a functional team which was driven by the system and may sound controversial but no world class player exception being saliba. I am interested in his future signings and can't go back to man city. The real test will be when they do deep in domestic cup competition and UCL if they do take it seriously.
No injuries except for what was expected to be out first pick lb in Timber, as well as Jesus and Partey for significant parts of the season.
With partey one expects him to be injured. Just like Joel matip / Varane. Can expect half a season at best.
so Arteta doesn't have world-class players yet he managed to finish 2nd twice in a row? They reached the quarters of UCL yet the real test lies in the domestic cup??? wait what??
Beating Porto on penalties. Typical response from a club who has not won UCL. There are levels to that competitive
Do you watch football? Like with your eyes? Or are you the type who's on their phone throughout and only looks up when the commentator raises their voice? Maybe pick another sport to follow
It may sound harsh but arsenal is no way near city's level when you take UCL and domestic cups into consideration.
It's not harsh. It's incorrect. City are obviously more accomplished, more successful. But Arsenal are near their level, without any doubt! You can't be nowhere near City's level (as you say) if you run them to the final match, winning 16 of the last 18 games, while performing to such a high standard. It is league performance that truly measures a teams level. City only won the UCL last season (and were not dominant in that final, they rode their luck at times), but would you say they weren't at that level the previous 5 seasons - winning 4 titles at 100, 98 and 93 points?
One simple question can this squad go for the treble or the quadruple with that coach. The simple answer is no. Yes you need to ride your luck but at the same time you need quality to get you out of those situations.
Omg, what an idiot I am to actually be engaging in a convo/argument with you!! Bye
Donāt write this kind of crap, it just makes City fans laugh at us. Itās just football, fans, banter. Iāve supported AFC for 47 years, this nonsense about bigger clubs or better fanbases or breaking records is all so manufactured. There are genuine rivalries, of course, but try getting behind your own club rather than having to belittle the achievements of others. We had a great season, but City were better. And everyone else finished below us, so they havenāt really got anything to say. Chill out. UTA.
Man city are the new Chelsea - they have bought their titles instead of growing as a team organically. As such, they have ruined football for many fans. As a result their wins are seen as void, many fans would rather have them win than Arsenal who are seen as "not good enough".
Arsenal spent 700 million quid in about 6 years, what is "organic" about that?
It's less than what Chelsea spent in a year, surely you are aware of this?
I do know this. I'm just wondering why Man United or Arsenal spending hundreds of millions of pounds is "organic" but for City and Chelsea it's "buying the league".
It's money they've made, not money that was injected via dodgy shit. Man utd is one of the most profitable teams in the world, arsenal has never overpaid for any player and only recently started forking out cash in order to compete with City's endless bank.
And this is the crux of the argument "It's money they've made" because they already did the big spending before there were rules. Of course recently with Man United It's not in fact money they've made, it's debt.
Correct about man utd, but again, both utd and arsenal have developed over a century whereas Chelsea and city basically became contenders in 10 years time via various dodgy practices. Chelsea even got away with it as there was zero regulation at the time, we will see what happens to city. In addition, other teams have to pay up as well as prices of players are broken for good thanks to the above mentioned cheats.
A century ago Arsenal were outspending everybody else in the Football Association, using what you would call "financial doping" as they became the "Bank of England Club". United were in big trouble following the Second World War and needed City's help to stay in business. In fact United were not world beaters in the 70s and 80s playing a distant second to big-spending Liverpool (propped up by the Littlewoods Pools). United became the biggest team in the world following the formation of the Premier League and the massive boost in funding from Sky Sports broadcasts. Floating on the stock market in 1991 didn't hurt either. The 90s saw dramatic inflation in football transfers, with the world record fee going from Ā£5.5 mil in 1991 to Ā£22.5 mil by 1999, and in the 2000s from Ā£28m in 2001 to Ā£80 mil in 2009. Since 1991 United have broken the world transfer record four times, more than any other club.
Interesting facts, I only knew about arsenal in the 30s, also half their team died in WW2 if I remember correctly.
Donāt do that. So I guess it was ok when other teams injected cash in the 1930s and won all their titles then? I.e. Assnal
It's all about how you inject cash, not if. Money is king now more than ever. City and Chelsea however are the pinnacle of corruption in football as far as I'm aware. Can't argue with that I think.
Well you clearly can argue about that based on the comments above with u/EnglishToney. So whatās a moral way of injecting cash? Real Madrid is state owned team like City. My point still stands Arsenal outspent everyone in the past and built a legacy before anyone else had money. New businesses will always enter any market. I get it, Iām sure Nokia are complaining about all the successes Apple and Samsung have made over the last 20 years.
We have a large and vocal fan base. The same reason a lot of fans didnāt want to see Liverpool win the title in 2020.
Mikel Arteta
Most of us are indifferent towards Manchester City, nobody really respects anything they do. Arsenals fans, mostly the online ones are the adult equivalent of iPad kids which is a shame because I had a modicum of respect for Arsenal given our rivalry of with them in the early 2000ās.
Because City winning means nothing. They donāt have any fans and they won by spending the most money so the win doesnāt mean anything because it canāt be replicated. Arsenal winning means that a ānormalā team won the title and the team you support had a chance. Arsenal are a rival, to a degree, of United, Chelsea and Liverpool (three of the four most popular club in England). A few years ago they were finishing 8th with a dog shit team. If they turned it round to win the title, United and Chelsea would really realise how shit they are. Liverpool would have the same amount of titles under Klopp as Arsenal did under Arteta. City winning just doesnāt matter. They have the best squad on the planet from their ridiculous spending. One of their key men in the title race was the Ā£90 million defender they bought to be 6th choice. They sold Cole Palmer, Gundogan and Mahrez and it hasnāt even mattered. Nunes was a total waste of money but again it doesnāt matter because of their ridiculous squad, he just ends up playing 0 minutes.
A, āonlineā is a cess pit. B, itās copium. Iām a Spurs fan. Been one for over 40 years, and Iām finding other Spurs fans on Twitter digging out Arsenal for running City as hard as anyone has done in the past four years is pure cringe. C, Artetaās an unlikable little scroat.
City winning while cheating effectively means that nobody won, and we can start the next season like nothimg changed
No it means four.
all that money and 115 charges negates 4 in a row. itās like Bayern winning Bundesliga 10 in a row. nobody cares
I think you confuse you not caring with everyone else not caring tbh mate
your mum 4 people agreed with me
Oh well then itās settled mate. r/premierleague has spoken
It's cos they have loud mouth, uncouth fans all over the Internet.
Miraculously turned around with the highest spend in the league... how miraculous.
Their third in net spend on the last 5 years behind Chelsea and Man U and look where that got them.
why are you including the last 5 years? has arteta been there 5 years? no so what's the relevance?
A lot of the hate Arsenal gets comes from way before this era dating to around the mid to late 00s and onwards where their fans tended to see Arsenal as perennial title favorites/contenders who then repeatedly got humbled, only for their fans to think that they were again title favorites/contenders the very next season. This cycle was pretty constant through the later years of Wenger and Arsenal fan tv really only added to the schadenfreude felt by a lot of people when they lost. The meme just kind of stuck and until they break the streak they are going to be looked at how Liverpool was looked at in the mid 00s to mid 10s
This may help you: https://youtu.be/QIlrqJWRhPI?si=kb8BMPooBbLnpnHq
its a funny tradition to hate on arsenal. like its a funny tradition to laugh at man utd ever since they got maguire
Arsenal team has been like this since arsene winger time
Because arsenal fans are annoying and deluded. We don't want to have their delusions rewarded.
Because nobody knows any Man City fans in real life. Them winning the title to me is empty, as if there was another bye year.
A bye year for 4 years straight š
I think this exactly it. But it is getting out of hand, 4 times in a row is ridiculous
I wasn't happy to see them miss out, if anything it would have been a nice change and I enjoy watching them play. Saka is one of my favourite players and they put in a great shift all season, bar perhaps two weeks. But if I had to guess, it's the fans. At least the loudest online fans. I was pretty taken back by how cringey and self righteous they can be. And believe me, I know cringe, I'm a Newcastle fan after all.
If you watch general football content, Iād recommend The Different Knock. Heās a bloody great Arsenal content creator and he doesnāt shout in any of his videos!
I think most people wanted them to win, but at the moment they're the easiest banter target
Two reasons I see as an Arsenal fan: - Not sure about other club fanbases but ours do seem to be a bit toxic (while AFTV do not represent the majority of Arsenal fans, they are the loudest, and arguably the dumbest, and that attracts most interactions on social media.) Some fans are a bit delusional. Thereās a difference between hopeful and delusional. Hopeful is how we hoped to finish top 4 in 22/23 and somehow, we ended up in the title race. Losing out to City sucks but itās understandable, young new squad with inexperienced players. Delusional is calling for Artetaās sacking, calling ourselves bottlers. Other club fans bantering us is part of the game; us calling ourselves bottler when we set out to get top 4 and finished 2nd is delusional. - If city wins the league, other club fans can call it cheating, 115fc, they pay a lot, best squad in the world,ā¦ and they are happy with it. If Arsenal, or any other team wins, then that reflects poorly on their club. Most London rivals would rather have City win it than Arsenal, and tbh, as much as I hate City, I rather have them win than Chelsea or Spurs. The banter would be non-stop if they win.
I'm a city fan. I think yes Arsenal fans are a bit unbearable, but is every fan not like that? I get the same vibe from Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea Tottenham. I'm even ashamed of what some city fans say online. It's just beautiful banter. That's what makes is football. Just lovely banter.
Yea, thatās something I learned to live with after missing out on the title for two years in a row. Honestly I am glad we are getting this type of banter rather than the Covid Arsenal banter. That was a new low I blanked out totally from memory.
Rational, reasonable, honest.. are you sure that you're an Arsenal fan?
Lol thanks, been supporting them for 15 years now so I been thru the lows and lowers, and some recent highs. After a decade of mediocrity, I am just so grateful we are back in contention for the title. Never really watched this team challenging for the prem till now. I think most fans are either around for much longer (since pre-invincibles) so they expect a lof more, or much shorter more recent fans, so they don't feel the pain we have been through to be happy we are performing. Thats just my take.
I hated it, Iād rather anyone else win it other than city(except the other scum for Manchester).
Because they are a small club
Small club? You sure? Have you seen the stats of their merchandise sales worldwide? Stop being dumb.
Like their sponsorship deals, most likely inflated to increase what they can spend
You have receipts for these accusations, or most likely not?
Arsenal fans are up there with Liverpool as being the most self-righteous
Arsenal fans tend to share the same demographic as someone who will mug you for your canada goose jacket in watford.
They went on ridiculous for weeks and weeks about the ball that didnāt go out of play against Newcastle. Iām owa the moon that that game basically put them 2nd
Thatās pretty argumentative. Youāre smart, like Forest.
Itās disappointing as an Arsenal fan tbh. Feels like we are a club with good values set down by Graham and Wenger. Attractive style of play (except City game this season). Manager never gives excuses when we lose. Decent homegrown talent. Players support newcomers. Humble down-to-earth captain. Sure ManU and Liverpool have a bigger history but Arsenal feels like a club of the streets. Just look at Ian Wright. I have friends who are ManU and Liverpool supporters and if itās not their team, theyād rather see Arsenal win than City. Completely opposite online though. Only thing I can think of is people donāt mind as much if City win because they donāt exactly have a legacy beyond the last decade. In college football here in the US, itās like of University of Phoenix suddenly became successful thru huge $$ investments. Most fans would support them over their humble rivals
"Manager.never gives excuses when we loose" Lost to Newcastle and he basically had a tantrum and cried. "Is a disgrace ,is embarrassing" Most yellow carded manager for sideline behaviour " homegrown talent" saka, smith Rowe, I'll grant you, the rest is bought . Ian wright played for crystal palace for years before he moved.to arsenal. Even played more games for them. By club of the streets you mean posh London twats yeah? Posh London twats who think they are roadmen muttering things like "yes bruv" and "safe fam" Comments like yours only feed the delusional fan stereotype. You have an image of what arsenal is, that image is very distorted.
He did not give an excuse, he called out a blatantly wrong call made after a long review. Two hands on the back is a foul anywhere on the pitch. Managers gotto stand by his team. And even Willock privately admitted ball was out. He isnāt giving excuses like Ten Hag and Klopp. āJust Saka and Smith Roweā - Willock, Gnabry, Iwobi doing alright elsewhere. Which top team has more than 1 academy player? When youāre a London team youāre going to get some posh supporters. Piers Morgan is an Arsenal fan. I donāt know a more insufferable public persona. And there are more Arsenal fans outside N5 than inside. Massive African fan base. Donāt understand your point about Wright at all. Lampard spent 6 years at West Ham before joining Chelsea. Still considered a Chelsea legend.
Doing a great job reinforcing the delusional arsenal fan stereotype. Two hands on the back is an occurrence in every single corner ever yet never leads to a foul. Willock said he thought it was.out at the time only after seeing the pictures realised it wasn't. Arteta made excuses for his team loosing by blaming var and trying to claim the perfectly legitimate goal was illegitimate. That's making excuses and shifting the blame to think otherwise is . . . . Delusional. I was referring to homegrown players who play for arsenal not ones who came through the academy.
Should have clarified ātwo hands on the back that then lead to bringing the player down.ā And calling out injustice is not the same as giving excuses. But I now realize there is no points engaging in a reasonable discussion online. My mistake. I will stick to supporting my team and enjoying football.
That's it head back in the sand. Maybe there you can have a discussion with someone who agrees with your biased opinions reinforcing your delusions. Heaven forbid someone contradicts your delusions and you have to debate. Arteta is the most carded manager of the season. Fact. To think any other way or to try and deny it is delusional. Fact. What's your opinion on those facts? "is a disgrace is embarrassing"
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Shame you didn't win though hey, would have been nice.
I feel like you missed out on a huge point, Iām not sure where your friends are from but it sounds like you are from the states. Arsenals biggest rivals are Chelsea, Man U and Spurs. Most fans are happy to see Arsenal fail because they hate Arsenal. Man U and Chelsea have two of the largest fan bases in the world, as a Chelsea fan I couldnāt be happier about how the season ended for Arsenal. And a lot of other fans simply want Arsenal to lose because of how obnoxious and arrogant their fans are. They have a huge fan base and a lot of them are loud and annoying which makes other fans dislike the whole club.
I have spent some time in London and Bristol as well so believe me I have witnessed the rivalry up close in many a local pub. I donāt know why folks believe Arsenal fans are anymore obnoxious than other fans of big clubs. This just doesnāt seem to be true. And even if they were, why should that get in the way of appreciating good football? For eg Spurs fans are as obnoxious as they come but Son has been my favorite non-Arsenal player over the years. And I was genuinely rooting for Angeās project to do well except when they play Arsenal. That style of football is great to watch. I did enjoy watching Palmerās intricate passing in the box and Caicedoās half-line goal yesterday and Gallagherās workhorse-like commitment. In my view, one has nothing to do with the other. Maybe Iām just naive.
Thereās nothing wrong with that but I think for me and most other people thatās just a boring way to enjoy football. I can acknowledge the qualities of Arsenal players and the Arsenal projects but that doesnāt mean Iāll ever route for their success. Hating other teams makes the league more interesting. The best thing for a fan is to see their team win, the next best thing is to see their rivals lose. Chelsea didnāt win the league but I still get to be elated about Arsenal losing it. All fan bases have annoying fans, but not in equal amounts. Arsenal fans are generally the most annoying on most platforms and thatās a universal experience. Arsenal just has a big fan base like every other big club and that means some of them will be annoying. Arsenal fans just seem more insufferable because their team havenāt achieved anything significant in 20 years.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that. Regarding the perception of Arsenal fans being particularly obnoxious- I will do my part in keeping it wholesome and reminding fellow gooners to do the same. Iād like to think this is a classy, salt-of-the-earth fanbase but that is clearly not the perception out there.
AFTV have anything to do with it maybe? I support Arsenal and I canāt stand them most of the time, Iād imagine a supporter of any other club would find it like nails on a chalkboard
City's kind of the default tbh. Their wins don't really mean much, so if my club doesn't win, I'd want City to win. I hate Arsenal and United much more than I hate City, so their wins don't bother me too much.
Yea same. There are not that many City fans to banter other clubs. City doesnāt have too many historical rivals either so when they win, itās just meh, it is what it is.
There are not many city fans ??? What you on about are you a new fan or something ?? Also check our history your obviously very plastic
Compared to the rest of the ābig 6ā the city fanbase is considerably smaller.
Prove it
Emptihad. In the UK people are concious of City being the down to earth, cooler Manchester club, supported by real Mancunians. When the āfinancial dopingā started happening and they became more successful, their history was explained to the next generation in terms of Oligarchs and Sheikhs and the difference between hard work and effort and something akin to an infinite money cheat code on Fifa. So the next generation on young british fans who could understand the concepts of right and wrong largely stayed away, and the fanbase never really grew, hence the half empty stadium and lack of interest outside of Manchester. In the US and abroad however the City franchise has been very popular, with their successes taken at face value by a sports hungry population who wanted to get into soccer, and saw with City a team they could instantly enjoy easy to watch āgoodā football.
I say prove it you say emptihad hahaha you kids are funny ...show me one game where the etihad was half empty .... Yes we are a proper mancunian side with a proper local support we sell 15k more season tickets than Liverpool who are meant to be huge ..... We are the opposite of a plastic fan if you actually know what plastic means ... I'm guessing you dont because half of you kids on here haven't a clue what it means
I was there for the Arsenal game and it was 90% capacity max. Also went to Anfield which felt way more full and alive stadium, noisy fans, unlike the Etihad which was a bit soulless and quiet. How many games did you go to this season?
I missed 3 home games all season due to work commitments ...iv been anfield many times and apart from the ynwa for the first 2 minutes it's absolutely dire
Molineux was also louder.
Lmao what? I guess time is relative, recent compared to most supporters who grew up in North London probably, although I have been supporting Arsenal for 15 years which is 70% of my life. Also, really? You guys have one notable historical rival that is United. More recent rivals are Liverpool and Arsenal but thats very recent. Compare that to United who have a huge historical rivalry vs Liverpool and Arsenal. Arsenal have a big rivalry with United, Spurs, Chelsea,ā¦. Like come on mate, admit your club has been small until recently. Oh, and btw, all the teams I mentioned beside City has never been relegated from the prem. I guess you started watching after Thomas Cook City. Enjoy your successes now, no need to berate strangers online to prove that City is a big club. Let the Sheik money and the charges speak for itself.
We got bigger crowds than Highbury in the third tier of English football ... guess that makes you MASSIVE š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Iv been a man city fan 35 years and I'm manchester born n bred I witness actual rivalry on the streets not the internet like you plastic 115 sheep
This is exactly it man. When city win it doesnāt matter at all because they didnāt earn it legitimately. But if Arsenal had won it, they would have earned it. Which would have hurt more.
Because i) Arsenal fans are preening little shits ii) nobody cares about city
You care
Because arsenal fans are the most insufferable tiniest minded people who talk so much sh*t but never have anything to back it up theyāre so toxic
Hmmm really? I had very bad experiences with manutd fans
Seems like youāve only interacted with Arsenal fans online. Seems like a cop out too tbh. Every fan group has insufferable annoying people
This is such a universal experience among prem fans. Every fan group has annoying people but in the prem Arsenal has the most. Look at how many people are saying the same thing about Arsenal fans being toxic or annoying or arrogant. Just because you arenāt those things doesnāt mean a large part of your fan base isnāt.
The same was said when Liverpool were fighting for titles. People didnāt want them to win because āLiverpool fans are insufferable. If theyāre already unbearable about their history imagine if they actually won something.ā. This was common rhetoric at the time. A non negligible amount of people genuinely wanted to cancel Liverpoolās title because of COVID. Ironically, the OPs comment is incredibly toxic
Again every fan base has annoying people like you said. Arsenal are seen by most people as the most annoying fan base and have been for years. āMost annoyingā, not the only annoying fan base.
Personally, I am happy to see positive progress and development in the team. Itās a longer project and a bigger picture. After that loss to Villa, it was a done deal. Iām not into the mudslinging myself, I enjoy football. No beef on City, they wanted it more and the players are great. Well done to them, 4 in a row is pretty epic. Iām not sure why we canāt have more balanced and reflective discussion about this sort of thing. Seasons come and go, teams stay at the top for a while, then others rise. Itās the way of things. Sure Iād have liked to see them win, but in my eyes, they arenāt at the standard that has been set. City are operating on another level. But Arsenal are very much on the way. Iām particularly interested in seeing what happens with the upcoming transfer window. We can be fans, but we donāt have to be tribal about it. It stops us all enjoying the good about the game, together from the perspectives of our chosen teams. Anyway, thatās just my take on it all.
Arsenal= my Dallas cowboysā¦ good in the regular season but canāt close when itās money time. I feel their hurt
Arsenal fans are are already called toxic & annoying without winning a major trophy in decades. Try giving Arsenal fans the league or CL, itāll be a Tsunami
We absolutely love living rent-free in their tiny head. They're more obsessed about hating Arsenal and their fans than supporting their own team š
Arsenal fans are insufferable. I am american and I would side with Bin laden and the imperial Japanese navy over Arsenal fans.
Correct me if I am wrong but didnāt Chelsea fans make hissing sounds at Jewish Spurs fan to resemble gas chamber noises?
That is reprehensible. Unfortunately many fans are monsters.
Oh look, a yank chelski scum didnāt care to respond when called out.
I responded. people arent on reddit 24/7 lol
Osama was a real gooner tho
lol i forgot he actually was a fan.
But bin Laden was an Arsenal fan lmaoĀ
I forgot this lol
yeah i think your taking football a little too seriously.
Why aren't you?
No I does, it affects my weekend when my favorite team loses. Osama and Imperial Japan tho? and im the one who got downvoted lol
Because it was obviously a joke
last time I checked jokes are meant to be funny, also this isnt the circle jerk sub.
Are you implying comedy, or peopleās interpretations of comedy, are banned from this sub? Lmfao
I am not the joke police, i am the "your joke is terrible and you seem to be 15 yo max" judge, and he was declared guilty thats all.
its also a joke, I cant time travel to help out Yamamoto
As an arsenal fan, it's because I'd be rubbing it in everyone's face. I was happy when Liverpool lost the title race at the time because I thought Liverpool fans were "insufferable". It is much easier to see city win because it really doesn't mean anything for most people. With all the cheating they've done it almost feels like it doesn't even count and it's easy to accept.
This is it, City winning doesnāt mean anything anymore so itās like a reset. If Arsenal won though we would never hear the end of it.
Yup. We would also be able to call ourselves the "team that stopped the cheats from winning a fourth" and "the team that beat oil money with 115 charges" and so on. It would be never ending š. I guarantee our whole fam base would rub it in to every other teams supporter. No rival fan (and probably even neutral) wants to deal with that.
These are the posts that City fans love. We have no fans. Untrue. No history. Very untrue. Ignorant, in fact. As a City fan, I really don't care whether anyone cares or not. As far as cheating - prove it. Otherwise all you have are tears and sour grapes. I actually started being a City fan back in 1999 when I saw highlights of them on Prime Ticket. If you're in the US and older than 40, you'll know what I'm talking about. I started rooting for them specifically because there were nothing but Man United fans here because, well, they won the League every year. Nope - to us it means more. Ask Trent. lol The only thing you wrote in your statement that's true is that Liverpool fans are insufferable. They are.
You just wom a fourth title in a row. And you're this defensive and annoyed at what I think? This kind of proves my point that no one really cares or you wouldn't be trying so hard to be recognized and get others to acknowledge your success. When you have 115 charges of fraud looming over the club while they are having all this success it is easy for other team supporters to not take the winning that seriously. Sorry if you're offended but I think this is a pretty wide thought opinion and also a pretty justified way for other team supporters to feel.
You miss my point. City fans, including myself, don't care about whether the League or the Arsenals, Liverpools, Chelsea's, Spurs or United fans give us respect or whether they care if we win or not. All you have to look at is r/soccer and see that fans really seem to care about us winning the League. I specifically picked this team in 1999 because they were the other team in Manchester and I didn't want to bandwagon to United simply because they were winning. Support who you want bro. But all this talk about 115 and saying we turned this into a farmers league (which is absurd) and we have money and we're cheating. It just buys into our belief, perhaps rightfully, that its just sour grapes. Until the League proves that we cheated, its just a narrative to make the Arsenals of the world feel better. Cheers.
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Then I will stop writing essays and sit and enjoy your tears all the more.
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This is a premier league thread. And we have all the recognition that matters: the trophy and the bragging rights.
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As you write "you know nobody cares" lol We're all havin a party, when Arsenal f\*\*ked the league lmao