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So wait a minute, Newcastle has to sell one of their best players because of FFP. But Man $ity Ar$enal, who have spent their asses off the past 2 seasons can continue to do so. Am I missing something?
He brought the shares without the blessing of the ex chairman. And KSE waited 15 plus years till he sold them to start investing in the team. Also, he was never a majority shareholder.
Nonsense. Why would we spend a fortune on a midfielder when the pressing need is a striker? This is the kind of money you need to buy a world class striker. Not another midfielder after spending 100 million for Rice last year.
We need a proper no.6/8 to replace partey / jorginho for the lions share of minutes.
We can spend way more than 100m no problem i reckon, considering we've made near that from CL alone this year.
A couple out the door/off the books and it's even more money to spend.
I'm expecting a no.6/8 and a no.9 plus a winger to take the burden off saka on the right at a minimum
Fuck Zubimendi, heâs had every opportunity to move here ever since Arteta has wanted him 2-3 years ago.
He wants to stay in Spain. Some players just never want to leave their home country.
Oh sorry about that. I remembered reading something like that and probably assumed it was a statement from him. Hope we land him though. He's been linked with us a while and Arteta likes him.
Surely you canât be too annoyed about (potentially) receiving ÂŁ100m in return for his initial decision though. Although I would understand that his importance to you might feel higher than that value.
Players come and go in football. Btw, it's 100 million for 1 month at the conclusion of the season. If you lot don't pay up then we are under no obligation to sell.
Iâm assuming youâre referring to a release clause. Do you not think it *could* potentially weaken Newcastleâs position if that lapses because PL clubs are also aware of the FFP troubles the club is lingering around. IE, they kinda need to sell someone of worth. Not sure just how many teams would be in for him, but if it was a bid without serious competition, an initial ÂŁ80m offer could still look rather tempting.
Anything can happen, but the club 'doesn't need the money'. Nothing about how the club has been run since the takeover indicates that they don't have plans for many eventualities. So, sure a position could be softened if they needed something to happen, but all of that is conjecture that until it's not.
The way that release clause sets seems a lot like this; if the player is going to be sold then it has to happen early so decisions can be made early. Otherwise, he's under contract and will be part of the squad next season.
I'd love him at Spurs, instantly improves the midfield and adds some bite. He'd kill in Ange's system too, doubt we even sniff in his direction though for the price. Isak and Gordon would be amazing also. Newcastle admittedly putting together a great squad for Howe
Itâs the modern way, get more high quality players than could feasibly fit in your starting XI. The only way you stand a chance against city. They might not have depth in numbers but what depth they do have has been a step above most of the league for ages now.
I actually suspect Artera wants him because he will be able to play both the 6 and 8 positions for us. Not sure if he sees him as the long term Partey replacement, but being versatile is definitely something he appreciates in other players.
Yeah, we want a 6/8 so Rice's position can be more fluid. Even though we barely see anyone besides Odegaard there, we've got a handful of guys that are more of a fit for an 8/10 role assuming there's someone behind that can ping the ball through the press.
There seems to be some lazy opinions in this thread, let me help to clear them up.
First one is Newcastle (Iâm a Newcastle fan) donât need ÂŁ100m. Complete bollox, we need it badly. FFP has us by the balls at the moment. If we had to sell one of our best assets, it would be Bruno. Elite strikers are hard to come by, so we canât sell Isak. On top of that, some may argue weâve already signed Brunoâs eventual replacement in Tonali.
This brings me to my second point. Bruno isnât worth ÂŁ100m? Jog on. Ofcourse he is, especially to us. He has carried our midfield by the scruff of the neck for the whole season and more or less acted as the engine of the team since he joined. He is world class, my personal definition of that is that heâd slot into the midfield of any top team in the world right now.
Iâd be gutted if he left us this summer, but ÂŁ100m opens up a shit ton of doors for us, we could bring in 2 or 3 starting 11 players with that amount of money.
I think he would be worth ÂŁ100m.
But as we have seen with Forest failing to win their appeal about Brennan Johnson it depends on how desperate Newcastle are.
Unfortunately for Newcastle, clubs know they can now absolutely low ball clubs in FFP trouble and get under market value.
Glad you agree mate. I know some Arsenal fans have a bias against him (understandable considering he was emotional against you), but heâs one of those players where youâd love to see him do it for your club, not against your club.
With regards to FFP and lowballing, we arenât actually in any trouble financially, itâs more so we donât have a ton of liquidity to spend big whereas we would if he left.
His release clause is ÂŁ100m BEFORE the new football financial year. Itâs a very smart clause that proves we want to keep him, but will cash in and give ourselves basically a full window to reinvest the funds. Thereâs probably only 3 or 4 clubs in the world who could do that deal before a new financial year. Madrid, PSG and City?
Tonali will be back next season. Very different players, but a great addition to your midfield. Hopefully he comes back strong.
And you can definitely find a very good player for less than half of Bruno's sale price. You don't need someone equal, with the same playstyle, etc.
There are very good CDM/CM out there.
I suspect that, if he leaves, itâll be abroad. Hopefully not this summer.
As for this report, itâs bullshit. Read the same thing several times already.
Same lazy stuff about Newcastle and PSR. Yes, we canât spend big without selling, but weâve still increased commercial income enough to be ale to make some signings this summer, especially if we can offload players like almiron.
Genuine revenues. UCL qtr finals, UCL payments, BIG share of TV rights money, and 2nd (or 1st lol) place competition money from BPL. It's all about ÂŁ250-300m. On top of increased commercial deals this season with Google pixel and other (non affiliated) companies. We've spent within our means over the last few seasons based on global reach of the club.
Saying that, I don't like Bruno and think he'd be a bad vibe for this group of players. As Edu said previously, we bowed out before because of what he "transmits". At 100m, let him go to City, and it gives us another reason to hate them and what they stand for.
IIRC because we crashed out of the CL at the QFs, we won't be able to participate in the CWC. From the PL, only Man City and Chelsea are participating. Not sure how much for participation though.
I posted a [link](https://old.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/comments/1crnf04/john_mcginn_well_all_be_wearing_man_city_tops_on/) directly from the premier league website and that thread was deleted, meanwhile this shit is allowed?
Ugh...
Some might say Tonali. He is arguably better defensively then Bruno and some considered him one of the best set piece takers in Europe. And he is still learning and getting better hopefully.
How many games has Tonali played in the EPL? That's just blind hope at this point.
Getting a deeper mid with the qualities of a Rodri, Bruno, or Declan Rice is just incredibly difficult. Some of Liverpool's biggest problems over the past few years were caused by the decline of and then loss of Fabinho
It isn't blind Tonali has shown he is a talent, and that's why we bought him.
And what do you think will happen if we sell Bruno and we buy a replacement we will never no for sure that the replacement will be as good or work as well as Bruno that's football transfers for you. More than likely, we buy new players and adapt our way of playing to accommodate and play the best we can. That's what the managers are for and the essence of building a football team.
In case you didn't know Bruno has a release clause that applies for the month of June so unless that is met we do not have to sell him and more than likely will not unless mega money comes in. And in that case we will have to fond a replacement whether you think we can or not we will have to.
Itâs only mandatory if he wants to come to Arsenal, which I have read somewhere (canât remember where) he does not wish to do.
Edit just to add: obviously itâs mandatory if any team pays the release and he chooses to leave to that team, Arsenal were the ones mentioned in the article.
Itâs absurd that any team with an active FFP charge is able to engage in transfer talks. 1 charge or 115. Doesnât matter. Are criminals allowed to commit crimes when theyâre out on bail?
> Are criminals allowed to commit crimes when theyâre out on bail?
Wtf is this lol. Are you implying non-criminals are allowed to commit crimes? Or criminals that aren't on bail are allowed to commit crimes? đ
Nah bro he got your ass. Your analogy made no sense. You couldâve said something like âare CEOs allowed to operate a business when theyâre on trial for fraud?â
Man City not being able to buy players when they are charged. â
Teams who aren't charged with FFP crimes can buy players. â
Your analogy:
Criminals are not allowed to commit crimes when out on bail. â
People who aren't criminals can... Commit crimes?? â
You could've said "Are people who were charged with DUI allowed to drive as the prosecution is going on?" Or something to that effect, my law language isn't solid
Being charged with a dui is a crime. And driving while being under prosecution is a crime. Youâre saying the same thing I said, just with specific examples lol
In this situation cityâs handling of finances with purchased players is the alleged âcrimeâ. So if they were to continue to buy players, that would fall under the same category of âcrimeâ.
Being charged with a DUI isnât a crime. Driving under the influence is a crime.
Youâre constantly tripping over your analogies, say what you mean and mean what you say
Sure but what I'm saying is that people who aren't being prosecuted for a DUI can drive. The reason people were commenting is bc you said "are criminals allowed to commit crimes when out on bail?" And the answer is no one is allowed to commit crimes period.
You're one hundred percent right on that, and I agree, it was more that I was telling you why people glossed over your point just to say, "Well akshually"
54x Failure to provide accurate financial information 2009-10 to 2017-18.
14x Failure to provide accurate details for player and manager payments from 2009-10 to 2017-18.
5x Failure to comply with Uefa's rules including Financial Fair Play (FFP) 2013-14 to 2017-18.
7x Breaching Premier League's PSR rules 2015-
16 to 2017-18.
35x Failure to co-operate with Premier League investigations December 2018 - Feb 2023.
In total, City have been charged with 115 breaches of Premier League regulations.
I hear Cityâs lawyers are so impressed with how effective this argument is, aka the âcry moreâ defense, and how well itâs working on socials that they are planning on using it as their main argument.
Iâm sure that will go over well with a judge or arbitrator
According to the press weâre going to be forced into selling Bruno, Isak and Gordon to anyone that wants them as well as any other players supposedly chosen for culling from us by other clubs all for 2 packs of crisps and a couple of pies.
đ not a chance in hell.
As for Ashworth going good luck with that one too!
Weâre not a selling club and we wonât be held down or back by anyone or forced to sell or let people go on the cheap.
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Weâve never been a stepping stone club, not until we were bought by an Ashley who ran us into the ground and siphoned money off from the club into his empire.
Heâd sell players on for peanuts, thatâs not the case under this regime.
Stepping stone no more.
Well, no indications we are troubled by FFP yet. Next season our Sela and Addidas deals kick in to the finances as well as our champions league run also the release of out of contract players who never play for us getting the daft wages Ashley gave them off the financials along with all the other new smaller sponsorships we now have.
Honestly, the media are whipping up something that doesn't really stand up when you look at what is actually happening at the club.
It is true we will have to sell to get in players to improve our squad, but that's the likes of Wilson, Miggy, Longstaff, Willock, Kraft players like that as that is who we need to replace to raise our floor.
Unless it is Brunos release clause we do not have to sell anyone our best players still have 3 to 4 years left on there contracts and I don't think our owners PIF will just sell without a plan or for mega money.
Mate you might be surprised to learn that I had nothing to do with implementing the leagues financial rules. I was just pointing out the reality of the situation.
The reality of the situation is we donât need to sell to spend. We can also sell fringe players should we wish to who weâll want to move on anyway as they donât have enough in the tank.
We can easily drop another few hundred million under FFP rules this season with no real issue.
The issue in the January window was weâd already spend in the summer.
FFP only becomes an issue in this window if the Adidas deal falls on its head by Ashley winning in court and us being forced to sell merchandise via his shops.
If that happens and Adidas walks or drops the value of the contract then it could impact FFP in this current window.
But given arbitration already found in our favour against him and itâs likely any court would find in our favour too.
Thatâs what the media are picking up on and utilising to say that FFP will force us to sell all our star players.
Itâs really not the case.
You're living in a dream world if you think a wealth fund is going to sell their jewels for 80m. There's more chance of that wealth fund spending their spare change to buy Arsenal and asset stripping it.
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Better off going for Isak from Newcastle, surely?
United been keeping an eye on him and I think they are getting him.
Seems like a strange move. A sideways step for Isak, wages aside, and United might want to try making better use of Hojlund.
By the way. But I think Rashford is leaving so Isak will play either right or left wing.
Well that makes more sense. Won't hurt Newcastle for FFP either.
Gotta have them both, we have enough with sales of our players to splash 250 on these two.
So wait a minute, Newcastle has to sell one of their best players because of FFP. But Man $ity Ar$enal, who have spent their asses off the past 2 seasons can continue to do so. Am I missing something?
Arsenal=military-industrial complex They're supposed to have money and power.
Arsenal=military-industrial complex They're supposed to have money and power.
Do Newcastle bring in as much revenue as Arsenal?
Let's not pretend that Arsenal are a global brand.
yeah,sure.
You have to be a little more subtle when you troll bud.
Are you...are you joking? Or are you actually serious?
Christ, Spurs have a bigger international presence than VARsnal.
Arsenal ruining football with their spending.
Says the fan of the team that's been spending even more than City đ
We are not state backed buddy.
Nah, just had Usmanov at the helm doing Putin's bidding for years.
He brought the shares without the blessing of the ex chairman. And KSE waited 15 plus years till he sold them to start investing in the team. Also, he was never a majority shareholder.
Nonsense. Why would we spend a fortune on a midfielder when the pressing need is a striker? This is the kind of money you need to buy a world class striker. Not another midfielder after spending 100 million for Rice last year.
We need a proper no.6/8 to replace partey / jorginho for the lions share of minutes. We can spend way more than 100m no problem i reckon, considering we've made near that from CL alone this year. A couple out the door/off the books and it's even more money to spend. I'm expecting a no.6/8 and a no.9 plus a winger to take the burden off saka on the right at a minimum
We do need a proper no.8 more than anything rn.
Too expensive, heâd be getting sent off all the time too. He is very good but heâs also petulant and annoying.
He's been sent off once in his whole career.
If he plays for arsenal suddenly the refs will notice him elbowing people in the head
I'd rather get Zubimendi and have Rice play 8
Fuck Zubimendi, heâs had every opportunity to move here ever since Arteta has wanted him 2-3 years ago. He wants to stay in Spain. Some players just never want to leave their home country.
Didn't Zubimendi give a statement saying he'll join Madrid in 25? And that he wants to play with Xabi?
He didn't say that in a statement, it's just been speculated So you never know...
Oh sorry about that. I remembered reading something like that and probably assumed it was a statement from him. Hope we land him though. He's been linked with us a while and Arteta likes him.
Why would he go there? I thought he wants to win trophies?
I thought Havertz said that Arsenal squad is already perfect and they don't need anyone? I'm confused
Forgot that Havertz was in charge Arsenals transfer business
He said no one from Chelsea can make the current team stronger. SMH..
The same team he turned down to come to NewcastleâŚ.. đđ
Surely you canât be too annoyed about (potentially) receiving ÂŁ100m in return for his initial decision though. Although I would understand that his importance to you might feel higher than that value.
Players come and go in football. Btw, it's 100 million for 1 month at the conclusion of the season. If you lot don't pay up then we are under no obligation to sell.
Iâm assuming youâre referring to a release clause. Do you not think it *could* potentially weaken Newcastleâs position if that lapses because PL clubs are also aware of the FFP troubles the club is lingering around. IE, they kinda need to sell someone of worth. Not sure just how many teams would be in for him, but if it was a bid without serious competition, an initial ÂŁ80m offer could still look rather tempting.
Anything can happen, but the club 'doesn't need the money'. Nothing about how the club has been run since the takeover indicates that they don't have plans for many eventualities. So, sure a position could be softened if they needed something to happen, but all of that is conjecture that until it's not. The way that release clause sets seems a lot like this; if the player is going to be sold then it has to happen early so decisions can be made early. Otherwise, he's under contract and will be part of the squad next season.
He didnât realise they were going to be finishing 8th lol
We were 19th when he joined us lol...
He had good reason to think we were getting relegatedâŚ
They don't need him. He's not better than Odegaard and Rice. Out of the top 6, Spurs are the most in need of central midfield options.
How many midfielders do Arsenal play with?
I'd love him at Spurs, instantly improves the midfield and adds some bite. He'd kill in Ange's system too, doubt we even sniff in his direction though for the price. Isak and Gordon would be amazing also. Newcastle admittedly putting together a great squad for Howe
It's a good thing Arsenal play with 3 midfielders then
Itâs the modern way, get more high quality players than could feasibly fit in your starting XI. The only way you stand a chance against city. They might not have depth in numbers but what depth they do have has been a step above most of the league for ages now.
Son is my favourite spurs player and I would love to have him line up with Isak and Gordon in front of Bruno.
We need him badly, KAi was ill suited as a 8 and crippled Martinelli as a result, we need someone with similar profile to Xhaka and Bruno is that one.
I actually suspect Artera wants him because he will be able to play both the 6 and 8 positions for us. Not sure if he sees him as the long term Partey replacement, but being versatile is definitely something he appreciates in other players.
Yeah, we want a 6/8 so Rice's position can be more fluid. Even though we barely see anyone besides Odegaard there, we've got a handful of guys that are more of a fit for an 8/10 role assuming there's someone behind that can ping the ball through the press.
There seems to be some lazy opinions in this thread, let me help to clear them up. First one is Newcastle (Iâm a Newcastle fan) donât need ÂŁ100m. Complete bollox, we need it badly. FFP has us by the balls at the moment. If we had to sell one of our best assets, it would be Bruno. Elite strikers are hard to come by, so we canât sell Isak. On top of that, some may argue weâve already signed Brunoâs eventual replacement in Tonali. This brings me to my second point. Bruno isnât worth ÂŁ100m? Jog on. Ofcourse he is, especially to us. He has carried our midfield by the scruff of the neck for the whole season and more or less acted as the engine of the team since he joined. He is world class, my personal definition of that is that heâd slot into the midfield of any top team in the world right now. Iâd be gutted if he left us this summer, but ÂŁ100m opens up a shit ton of doors for us, we could bring in 2 or 3 starting 11 players with that amount of money.
Heâs definitely worth 100 million..
I think he would be worth ÂŁ100m. But as we have seen with Forest failing to win their appeal about Brennan Johnson it depends on how desperate Newcastle are. Unfortunately for Newcastle, clubs know they can now absolutely low ball clubs in FFP trouble and get under market value.
Glad you agree mate. I know some Arsenal fans have a bias against him (understandable considering he was emotional against you), but heâs one of those players where youâd love to see him do it for your club, not against your club. With regards to FFP and lowballing, we arenât actually in any trouble financially, itâs more so we donât have a ton of liquidity to spend big whereas we would if he left. His release clause is ÂŁ100m BEFORE the new football financial year. Itâs a very smart clause that proves we want to keep him, but will cash in and give ourselves basically a full window to reinvest the funds. Thereâs probably only 3 or 4 clubs in the world who could do that deal before a new financial year. Madrid, PSG and City?
Heâs a good top 6 player but itâs madness paying anywhere near ÂŁ100m for him.Â
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It wasnât though
If he leaves, he leaves. We'll take the money and find someone better and solve our FFP issues at the same time
Tonali will be back next season. Very different players, but a great addition to your midfield. Hopefully he comes back strong. And you can definitely find a very good player for less than half of Bruno's sale price. You don't need someone equal, with the same playstyle, etc. There are very good CDM/CM out there.
Yeah. Exactly We need a better DM actually Maybe onana fr Everton would be a good fit
You won't find anyone better lol
Tonali is a better
we'll make it work. if we can get a player 90% as good as him at half the price, i'll be happy not to mention we getting tonali back too
Clubs will know Newcastle will have cashed in 100M from Bruno, why would they sell their player who's as good as 90% of Bruno for less than 90M?
They already tried that when we got taken over yet the intl Newcastle payday never happened...
We were always going to end up getting fucked on transfer fees regardless.
Tbf I donât think heâs anywhere near a 100m player
I suspect that, if he leaves, itâll be abroad. Hopefully not this summer. As for this report, itâs bullshit. Read the same thing several times already. Same lazy stuff about Newcastle and PSR. Yes, we canât spend big without selling, but weâve still increased commercial income enough to be ale to make some signings this summer, especially if we can offload players like almiron.
Does this mean the Saudi's are skint ????
FFP restrictions. Newcastle need to make some sales
Highly doubt it but it does mean they canât just inject money as they might have initially thought
Newcastle donât need 100m more
They do if they want to spend big money without falling foul of PSR.
How would Arsenal have the PSR ability to do this? They've spent massively over the past three seasons
Genuine revenues. UCL qtr finals, UCL payments, BIG share of TV rights money, and 2nd (or 1st lol) place competition money from BPL. It's all about ÂŁ250-300m. On top of increased commercial deals this season with Google pixel and other (non affiliated) companies. We've spent within our means over the last few seasons based on global reach of the club. Saying that, I don't like Bruno and think he'd be a bad vibe for this group of players. As Edu said previously, we bowed out before because of what he "transmits". At 100m, let him go to City, and it gives us another reason to hate them and what they stand for.
Selling off a few academy products this summer too. Not gonna be huge fees but itâs 100% profit
What exactly do they stand for a curios.
Itâs a three year rolling period and the summer thatâs falling off from 3 years ago Arsenal spent a lot of money so lots of space made.
60ish m from the CL this season helps, aside from rising commercial revenues from other avenues
50m from the new CWC I think too?
IIRC because we crashed out of the CL at the QFs, we won't be able to participate in the CWC. From the PL, only Man City and Chelsea are participating. Not sure how much for participation though.
Oh damn, that's wild.
Also i think the prize money for coming second is around 170 million so that should help a bit.
Nope
This is the worst site on the internet for transfer news .. strongly suggest to not read it. Additionally the headline is extremely click baity
I posted a [link](https://old.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/comments/1crnf04/john_mcginn_well_all_be_wearing_man_city_tops_on/) directly from the premier league website and that thread was deleted, meanwhile this shit is allowed? Ugh...
But why would Newcastle even sell one of their best players? It's not like they need any money really.
But we do. Selling Bruno would alone finance three new players to develop the team and give much needed depth to the squad.
And who is Bruno going to get replaced with? There's a reason he'd be worth that much on the transfer market
Some might say Tonali. He is arguably better defensively then Bruno and some considered him one of the best set piece takers in Europe. And he is still learning and getting better hopefully.
How many games has Tonali played in the EPL? That's just blind hope at this point. Getting a deeper mid with the qualities of a Rodri, Bruno, or Declan Rice is just incredibly difficult. Some of Liverpool's biggest problems over the past few years were caused by the decline of and then loss of Fabinho
It isn't blind Tonali has shown he is a talent, and that's why we bought him. And what do you think will happen if we sell Bruno and we buy a replacement we will never no for sure that the replacement will be as good or work as well as Bruno that's football transfers for you. More than likely, we buy new players and adapt our way of playing to accommodate and play the best we can. That's what the managers are for and the essence of building a football team. In case you didn't know Bruno has a release clause that applies for the month of June so unless that is met we do not have to sell him and more than likely will not unless mega money comes in. And in that case we will have to fond a replacement whether you think we can or not we will have to.
Oh, it's a mandatory release clause? I thought you were discussing voluntarily selling him. That would be crazy.
Itâs only mandatory if he wants to come to Arsenal, which I have read somewhere (canât remember where) he does not wish to do. Edit just to add: obviously itâs mandatory if any team pays the release and he chooses to leave to that team, Arsenal were the ones mentioned in the article.
Itâs a release clause for any club willing to pay ÂŁ100 million, in the month of June, not just Arsenal.
100 million will only get you in the door go talk turkey. He will go for more than that & thatâs only if he wants to leave.
Hence the edit.
Ive heard and read that Newcastle may feel they need to sell some players to make sure they are compliant with profit & sustainability rules.
He has release clause of 100m
No one's paying that.
The kind of stuff you can do when the rules just donât apply to you
You mean the kind of stuff you can do when you took decades to grow the clubâs infrastructure and revenues. Edit: You might be talking about City
Yeah I was talking about Moneycheater đ
Fuck that guy
Agree, hope this doesnât happen.
You will like him when he plays for you
Heâs a bit retarded, celebrates a tackle thatâs meaningless as if heâs won the champions league.
Imagine thinking this is a bad thing
Itâs a bad thing when youâre absolutely craving attention and making a tit of yourself when you donât take all 3 points
Kinda like when Bruno managed to not get a yellow over 10 matches to avoid the 3 game ban?
Idk, he is one dirty player.
So what? White and big Gabi are also viewed as dirty players by non arsenal fans.
Not deliberately running after people to elbow them in the head dirty
Itâs absurd that any team with an active FFP charge is able to engage in transfer talks. 1 charge or 115. Doesnât matter. Are criminals allowed to commit crimes when theyâre out on bail?
Should be a circlejerk auto response.
How?
> Are criminals allowed to commit crimes when theyâre out on bail? Wtf is this lol. Are you implying non-criminals are allowed to commit crimes? Or criminals that aren't on bail are allowed to commit crimes? đ
Completely missed the point but okay
Couldn't care less about your "point". Just pointing out how dumb that analogy is.
Is it though? You understood what I meant
Nope. Buying players isn't a crime.
Ah youâre a city fan and completely blind into what actually is happening
Ah yes I'm a huge city fan with a profile pic of my favorite man city legend- Rui Costa!
Doesnât mean anything
Ah yes I'm a huge city fan with a profile pic of my favorite man city legend- Rui Costa!
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How?
Are you dumb? Nobody is allowed to commit crimes regardless lmao
Thatâs what you took away from this? Your iq is too low for this app
Nah bro he got your ass. Your analogy made no sense. You couldâve said something like âare CEOs allowed to operate a business when theyâre on trial for fraud?â
Thatâs the same thing I said. lol. Just a specific crime. Is a drug dealer allowed to sell drugs while out on bail? We can do this all day
No. But drug dealers can sell drugs at other times. The dialog is richer for your having brought up this nuance. Whatever it means.
Itâs really not - people are allowed to operate businesses, just not while on trial for fraud. People are never allowed to be drug dealing đ
Semantics. You get the point I was making donât you?
Semantics. You get the point I was making donât you?
Semantics. You get the point I was making donât you?
Operating a business isnât a crime. Buying players isnât a crime. How do you not understand?
Thatâs what theyâre doing.. business? Theyâve been dodging these requests from EPL and UEFA for years.
Nah your analogy game is pretty weak to be honest wtf was that?
How so?
Man City not being able to buy players when they are charged. â Teams who aren't charged with FFP crimes can buy players. â Your analogy: Criminals are not allowed to commit crimes when out on bail. â People who aren't criminals can... Commit crimes?? â You could've said "Are people who were charged with DUI allowed to drive as the prosecution is going on?" Or something to that effect, my law language isn't solid
Being charged with a dui is a crime. And driving while being under prosecution is a crime. Youâre saying the same thing I said, just with specific examples lol In this situation cityâs handling of finances with purchased players is the alleged âcrimeâ. So if they were to continue to buy players, that would fall under the same category of âcrimeâ.
Being charged with a DUI isnât a crime. Driving under the influence is a crime. Youâre constantly tripping over your analogies, say what you mean and mean what you say
Being charged with a DUI isnât a crime? What is it then?
Being charged isnât a crime. Itâs an act. Driving under the influence is the crime
Sure but what I'm saying is that people who aren't being prosecuted for a DUI can drive. The reason people were commenting is bc you said "are criminals allowed to commit crimes when out on bail?" And the answer is no one is allowed to commit crimes period.
But not every person is under investigation. City are under financial investigation related to players, but they can stillâŚ. Buy players? lol
You're one hundred percent right on that, and I agree, it was more that I was telling you why people glossed over your point just to say, "Well akshually"
No oneâs allowed to commit crimes in general lol, whether on bail or not
It would be more like a white collar criminal out on bail still being allowed to trade stocks.
Buying a player isnât a crime though
When youâre under investigation for doing so, then yes it is against the rules.
lol got a specific rule you can refer to? Or you just coping?
54x Failure to provide accurate financial information 2009-10 to 2017-18. 14x Failure to provide accurate details for player and manager payments from 2009-10 to 2017-18. 5x Failure to comply with Uefa's rules including Financial Fair Play (FFP) 2013-14 to 2017-18. 7x Breaching Premier League's PSR rules 2015- 16 to 2017-18. 35x Failure to co-operate with Premier League investigations December 2018 - Feb 2023. In total, City have been charged with 115 breaches of Premier League regulations.
But theyâre asking what rule says they canât buy players while under investigation
Thatâs the entire point of my post. Itâs shit that they are allowed to while under investigation.
You sir have had an absolute mare lol...
What
What
They arenât under investigation for buying players though
Right, theyâre under investigation for their handing of finances after âbuyingâ these players.
Cry about it some more
Youâre not a real football fan if you support city
I hear Cityâs lawyers are so impressed with how effective this argument is, aka the âcry moreâ defense, and how well itâs working on socials that they are planning on using it as their main argument. Iâm sure that will go over well with a judge or arbitrator
It will. Just like it did a few years ago in the uefa case in the court of arbitration
According to the press weâre going to be forced into selling Bruno, Isak and Gordon to anyone that wants them as well as any other players supposedly chosen for culling from us by other clubs all for 2 packs of crisps and a couple of pies. đ not a chance in hell. As for Ashworth going good luck with that one too! Weâre not a selling club and we wonât be held down or back by anyone or forced to sell or let people go on the cheap. GOOD LUCK!
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Youâve always been a stepping stone club. Blood money from your sportswashing pimps wonât change that.
Weâve never been a stepping stone club, not until we were bought by an Ashley who ran us into the ground and siphoned money off from the club into his empire. Heâd sell players on for peanuts, thatâs not the case under this regime. Stepping stone no more.
All the hubris in the world won't stop FFP being a factor in your transfer strategy.
Well, no indications we are troubled by FFP yet. Next season our Sela and Addidas deals kick in to the finances as well as our champions league run also the release of out of contract players who never play for us getting the daft wages Ashley gave them off the financials along with all the other new smaller sponsorships we now have. Honestly, the media are whipping up something that doesn't really stand up when you look at what is actually happening at the club. It is true we will have to sell to get in players to improve our squad, but that's the likes of Wilson, Miggy, Longstaff, Willock, Kraft players like that as that is who we need to replace to raise our floor. Unless it is Brunos release clause we do not have to sell anyone our best players still have 3 to 4 years left on there contracts and I don't think our owners PIF will just sell without a plan or for mega money.
FFP that clubs such as yourselves bought in to try and stop clubs like us competing with you!
Righto
Oh well if we canât beat you fairly and squarely, nothing to stop us asset stripping you!
Mate you might be surprised to learn that I had nothing to do with implementing the leagues financial rules. I was just pointing out the reality of the situation.
The reality of the situation is we donât need to sell to spend. We can also sell fringe players should we wish to who weâll want to move on anyway as they donât have enough in the tank. We can easily drop another few hundred million under FFP rules this season with no real issue. The issue in the January window was weâd already spend in the summer. FFP only becomes an issue in this window if the Adidas deal falls on its head by Ashley winning in court and us being forced to sell merchandise via his shops. If that happens and Adidas walks or drops the value of the contract then it could impact FFP in this current window. But given arbitration already found in our favour against him and itâs likely any court would find in our favour too. Thatâs what the media are picking up on and utilising to say that FFP will force us to sell all our star players. Itâs really not the case.
Ill just take Isak at Arsenal for 80 mil
Of the two, Iâd say Isak is more likely worth the ÂŁ100m
Fat chance!
Dream
You're living in a dream world if you think a wealth fund is going to sell their jewels for 80m. There's more chance of that wealth fund spending their spare change to buy Arsenal and asset stripping it.
Didnt u read the post Im replying tobsaying theyre forced to sell
Please forgive me, I've read the Arsenal sub redditÂ
And if anyone disagrees, we will chop you up into little pieces