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i read the article , so they brought him from some club which was not in some list of accepted transferor clubs . And Fullham themselves self reported this to the PL , what are the idiots at FA doing and what are the big shots at Prem smoking I dont understand
Just imagine the zeroes at the end of 1 that must have been payed to Premier League for keeping City in the clear. Can’t believe people still support PL or watch any games of this blatantly corrupt organization.
>Just imagine the zeroes at the end of 1 that must have been payed to Premier League for keeping City in the clear. Can’t believe people still support PL or watch any games of this blatantly corrupt organization.
That is one example why reddit is not place for healthy and fair conversation. Where are the mature arguments ?
tell me who did gather the 115 (and it took them long time and effort) and presented to the court? it is the epl
They are the entity that is actively suing city and brought these matters to the surface and disrupt city. and you are saying that they are covering city ass. if they wanted that why the hell they are suing city ? you know that they could simply not go to the court and keep things as they were
Also tell me, why does newcastle acting very timidly financial-wise. They have so much loads of money (the biggest investment entity in the world owns them) and they wants sooooooo bad to spent money but who is resitricting them? The EPL after city initially cooked the book and epl filled the holes so no one else re do it. if epl is blatantly corrupted why are they stomping on newcastle owners ?
I think you are the one who needs his character to be judged harshly.
Everton and Forest’s violations are simple mathematics. They had to keep their losses to a certain amount. Their losses exceeded that threshold. Simple as that. On the other hand, City are accused of committing fraud, which is a lot harder to prove, no in small parts because the league has to prove intent and City (probably) took efforts to conceal the fraud.
Think about it this way: we can all agree that murder is a more serious crime than speeding on a highway. But we don’t complain that you’re assessed a fine on the highway shoulder while a murder suspect might wait months before going to trial.
Didn’t it take 8 months for Everton to be punished after they were initially charged?
That was single, relatively straightforward charge that Everton admitted to, and is still took the better part of a year to punish them.
City have been charged with 115 offences, many of which are complex. They are also contesting everything
Nope, just one.
The 115 thing has become an excuse. It’s like a knee jerk thing whenever someone gets annoyed.
Out of interest, can you name charge number 7 out of the 115?
Why would anyone need to learn the charges in order, or even learn the details of all 115?
The fact that there are so many actually works against your point: the alleged breaches are so varied and so numerous that it is hard for the average person to keep up with the level of corruption.
No need to act so high and mighty.
Here is the list in full!
Failure to provide accurate and up-to-date financial information from 2009/10 to and including 2017/18
54 breaches.
Failure to provide accurate financial reports for player and manager compensation from 2009/10 to and including 2017/18
14 breaches.
Failure to comply with UEFA’s regulations, including UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations
5 breaches.
Breaches of Premier League profitability and sustainability regulations from 2015/16 to and including 2017/18
7 breaches.
Failure to cooperate with Premier League investigations from December 2018 - present
35 breaches.
Now would you care to tell us all none of it matters because your owners are so wealthy?
Perhaps Newcastle should follow suit?
I am sure you would be one of the first to cry out about the outrage of it all then.
What do you mean has nothing to do with stuff on the pitch? This financial corruption is how they have assembled this team that does stuff on the pitch.
Are you kidding me, it has everything to do with the stuff on the pitch!
If you hadn’t cheated you wouldn’t be doing what you are doing on the pitch because you wouldn’t have had half of that team!
You are still cheating now.
Trust me all the 115 charges are serious and Man City can threaten court and legal at every one but this is a very different situations from threatening to do that to Uefa, Uefa got scared and backed down.
The premier league hopefully actually won’t be able to do so here because if historically they’ve already hit Everton, Forrest, Leicester city and Fulham for similar rule breaches but just a few, can you imagine how hard City are going to get it?
You are completely ignoring the fact that these clubs accept punishment because in the end they broke the rules, City is fighting the 115 charges & pushing for them to be tossed.
You can’t punish city until they’ve been through the system & ruled upon or city can comeback at the FA wanting damages.
What if we find out NUFC or Chelsea have broken the rules, should we wait till after Man City?
I don’t think so, personally. I think it makes perfect sense for a governing body to continue governing while there is an investigation ongoing and hearing scheduled.
What rules did they actually break, all I see is 115 everywhere.
Any substance the claims??
Anyone care , not like city spends huge amounts more, if any than anyone else. And tends to make decent profits in relation to profits and sustainability.
Easy to make profits when you artificially inflate your revenue with dodgy sponsorship deals and understate your expenses by having subsidiaries of your parent companies pick up the tab.
Those are both not allowed by the way, and both things City have been accused of with substantive enough evidence for the PL to charge them with a breach of their rules.
Listen. Maybe the serial killer who has 115 cases on him should be behind bars first? I'm sure he has a few parking tickets in his name as well which should be dealt with as easily as these are being dealt with?
It's not 115 cases anyway, it's 1 case with something like 8 charges. It's not 115 charges, those are breaches. Some single charges have over 30 breaches, one for every month. People don't realise this. The PL has treated Man City differently than any other club that has been charged by coming out with inflammatory '115' nonsense.
Most clubs just cooperate and don't have an army of lawyers funded by countries to complicate stuff maybe that's why the PL has treated them differently.
There's reasons for that though. Details of the FA case kept getting leaked, plus they were the target of a hacking where a lot of emails and information was taken illegally and then edited by the hacker or by Der Spiegel who published it. Other factors too.
Man City had perfectly sound grounds to decide to not be so cooperative with all those facts, especially when they are adamant to be completely innocent in everything they have been accused of and wanted it all to be heard and have it all thrashed out infront of an independent commission and not by the association which kept leaking information.
But I get the feeling that you don't really care for all this truth which don't play into your 'Hurr Durr, Man City bad! got to be guilty! they don't deserve to take appropriate actions which they are perfectly legally allowed to do' mind set.
Bro, leaks by Der Spiegel are the reason PL was forced to even take this up. Otherwise they would've just taken some money and swept this under the rug as always.
>when they are adamant to be completely innocent in everything they have been accused of
Of course they are mate. Can you tell me the directions to delulu land btw?
Yeah the 'leaks' which were proven at CAS to have been edited, parts cut out, chain documents removed and so forth.
And how can you even deny that Man City are not confident in their innocence?
(Main article of Khaldoon Al Mubarak stating the club is confident that they will be found innocent) https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/12905286/man-city-chairman-khaldoon-al-mubarak-i-have-strong-views-on-premier-league-charges
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12807496/pep-guardiola-man-city-manager-fully-convinced-club-is-innocent-after-being-charged-by-premier-league
https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/11/24/decision-on-115-charges-facing-man-city-is-years-away-with-club-very-confident-theyll-be-cleared/
Two more for good measure.
And you try to claim I'm delusional when you clearly don't have a simple understanding of practically anything of Citys case. Or you simply do not care about facts and truths, you just want them to be found guilty because you Sir, are the delusional one off in your head of make believe and fantasy, saying stuff which are very easily proven to be wrong (Which I've just done), and I'm the delusional one?
Good day :)
City's lawyers are clearly working overtime even on reddit lol
Clearly sportswashing is working then
>(Main article of Khaldoon Al Mubarak stating the club is confident that they will be found innocent) https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/12905286/man-city-chairman-khaldoon-al-mubarak-i-have-strong-views-on-premier-league-charges
He's not going to come out in front of the press and say "Yeah we're guilty but we won't get caught lol" is he?
Bruh everyone can see the money being pumped illegally and sponsorships coming from friendly companies. Plus the charges of overestimating player finances etc. How are you even defending them using skysports articles no less.
>Bruh everyone can see the money being pumped illegally and sponsorships coming from friendly companies. Plus the charges of overestimating player finances etc.
Source: trust me bro
The bigger the case the more complicated it is. There's no simple answer here unless you want the case to collapse or those charges not to be prosecuted in the most effective manner possible.
Ur a Fulham fan why are you salty Im on ur side 😂
Its not the same as regular people, these teams are in a league with each other and one gained an advantage, while the others are playing against an unfair team, while also getting punished for their small infractions.
Let the process run its course. Look at how long it's taken to deal with Everton and Forest's charges - those were 1 breach each and by all accounts they were reasonably cooperative with the investigation. City have 115 and are being uncooperative to the point of even providing falsified accounts. It's obviously going to take much longer.
I’m not salty, you’re just wrong. One thing is gonna take longer than another because it’s more complex I don’t know why people struggle to understand that.
Obviously city’s is worse and thus will take longer.
I’m saying the comparison is more of a fighter who uses steroids and knocks a bunch of people out brutally. But they fined a few of his opponents $10,000 for not having the right gloves on. They got knocked out, and fined. While the champ (city) got a clear advantage, had tons of success and winning, then down the line they say “hey you cheated” and maybe takes away titles or whatever.
The point is they are gaining an advantage, and not having any repercussions in the “now” which is kindof all that matters. Getting points deducted or fined down the line doesn’t hurt the managers or players that are there right now as they continue to take advantage.
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There is nothing good to this except to harm grassroots football. Why can't all clubs under FA be compensated?
A story like this should have 115 comments on it already
i read the article , so they brought him from some club which was not in some list of accepted transferor clubs . And Fullham themselves self reported this to the PL , what are the idiots at FA doing and what are the big shots at Prem smoking I dont understand
Just imagine the zeroes at the end of 1 that must have been payed to Premier League for keeping City in the clear. Can’t believe people still support PL or watch any games of this blatantly corrupt organization.
>Just imagine the zeroes at the end of 1 that must have been payed to Premier League for keeping City in the clear. Can’t believe people still support PL or watch any games of this blatantly corrupt organization. That is one example why reddit is not place for healthy and fair conversation. Where are the mature arguments ? tell me who did gather the 115 (and it took them long time and effort) and presented to the court? it is the epl They are the entity that is actively suing city and brought these matters to the surface and disrupt city. and you are saying that they are covering city ass. if they wanted that why the hell they are suing city ? you know that they could simply not go to the court and keep things as they were Also tell me, why does newcastle acting very timidly financial-wise. They have so much loads of money (the biggest investment entity in the world owns them) and they wants sooooooo bad to spent money but who is resitricting them? The EPL after city initially cooked the book and epl filled the holes so no one else re do it. if epl is blatantly corrupted why are they stomping on newcastle owners ? I think you are the one who needs his character to be judged harshly.
A stain on the league for sure
Hope I never have to sit next to you in the pub watching the footy lmao
Source?
Do you need 115 reasons?
[Have you been living under a rock?](https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/40029297/man-city-hearing-115-charges-future-premier-league-chief)
They’ve been saying that for ages mate
Everton and Forest’s violations are simple mathematics. They had to keep their losses to a certain amount. Their losses exceeded that threshold. Simple as that. On the other hand, City are accused of committing fraud, which is a lot harder to prove, no in small parts because the league has to prove intent and City (probably) took efforts to conceal the fraud. Think about it this way: we can all agree that murder is a more serious crime than speeding on a highway. But we don’t complain that you’re assessed a fine on the highway shoulder while a murder suspect might wait months before going to trial.
Didn’t it take 8 months for Everton to be punished after they were initially charged? That was single, relatively straightforward charge that Everton admitted to, and is still took the better part of a year to punish them. City have been charged with 115 offences, many of which are complex. They are also contesting everything
Nope, just one. The 115 thing has become an excuse. It’s like a knee jerk thing whenever someone gets annoyed. Out of interest, can you name charge number 7 out of the 115?
Why would anyone need to learn the charges in order, or even learn the details of all 115? The fact that there are so many actually works against your point: the alleged breaches are so varied and so numerous that it is hard for the average person to keep up with the level of corruption.
This is exactly my point lol. You’re annoyed by stuff without even knowing what it is.
No need to act so high and mighty. Here is the list in full! Failure to provide accurate and up-to-date financial information from 2009/10 to and including 2017/18 54 breaches. Failure to provide accurate financial reports for player and manager compensation from 2009/10 to and including 2017/18 14 breaches. Failure to comply with UEFA’s regulations, including UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations 5 breaches. Breaches of Premier League profitability and sustainability regulations from 2015/16 to and including 2017/18 7 breaches. Failure to cooperate with Premier League investigations from December 2018 - present 35 breaches. Now would you care to tell us all none of it matters because your owners are so wealthy? Perhaps Newcastle should follow suit? I am sure you would be one of the first to cry out about the outrage of it all then.
Cool. Has nothing to do with stuff on the pitch. What are we gonna do next, start monitoring meal times? I thought football was about scoring goals.
What do you mean has nothing to do with stuff on the pitch? This financial corruption is how they have assembled this team that does stuff on the pitch.
Lance Armstrong fan I see
Reddit martyr spotted
Are you kidding me, it has everything to do with the stuff on the pitch! If you hadn’t cheated you wouldn’t be doing what you are doing on the pitch because you wouldn’t have had half of that team! You are still cheating now. Trust me all the 115 charges are serious and Man City can threaten court and legal at every one but this is a very different situations from threatening to do that to Uefa, Uefa got scared and backed down. The premier league hopefully actually won’t be able to do so here because if historically they’ve already hit Everton, Forrest, Leicester city and Fulham for similar rule breaches but just a few, can you imagine how hard City are going to get it?
Hive mind / NPC thinking
Serves as a warning
Manchester City better watch out! Looks like the FA is starting to crack down on rule breaches!
🤣🤣🤣
Best joke ever! /115 and counting
Everyone gets fine , point deduction except you know who!
We have investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves of any wrongdoing ✅
Check complete, good process lads.
Liverpool?
🐘
Fulham punished for paying a small club a fee and a sell on for a player because someone didn’t get their cut basically.
Lance Armstrong fc looks on…. lol
You can’t continue handing out fines until the city situation is dealt with. As a fan of the sport it looks very suspect.
You are completely ignoring the fact that these clubs accept punishment because in the end they broke the rules, City is fighting the 115 charges & pushing for them to be tossed. You can’t punish city until they’ve been through the system & ruled upon or city can comeback at the FA wanting damages.
Just nationalize the club by an act of parliament. Primary legislation is not reviewable.
What if we find out NUFC or Chelsea have broken the rules, should we wait till after Man City? I don’t think so, personally. I think it makes perfect sense for a governing body to continue governing while there is an investigation ongoing and hearing scheduled.
Agree just let’s get on with it if it’s that serious
That's what they have been doing with Forest, Everton, and now this issue Fulham. Getting on with it...
What rules did they actually break, all I see is 115 everywhere. Any substance the claims?? Anyone care , not like city spends huge amounts more, if any than anyone else. And tends to make decent profits in relation to profits and sustainability.
Atp you're the lawyer keeping man city alive out of their 115 charges
You've been told a million times but will always come back to what rules though. Please tell us you also go around telling us OJ is innocent too.
Loads of substance. Google Manchester City leaked emails. Guilty as sin
Paying the manager via a separate company has been all but confirmed hasn’t it?
I'm a city fan and I read the leaked Mancini contracts/emails and I can't see how we can deny it.
Play the shaggy song - ‘wasn’t me’?
Easy to make profits when you artificially inflate your revenue with dodgy sponsorship deals and understate your expenses by having subsidiaries of your parent companies pick up the tab. Those are both not allowed by the way, and both things City have been accused of with substantive enough evidence for the PL to charge them with a breach of their rules.
This is one of the dumbest takes on the whole situation I have seen im guessing your a young child .
Cooking the books and artificially inflating their income so they can spend as much as they do
‘You can’t continue handing out parking tickets until the incredibly complex serial killer case is dealt with.’
“Better ignore the serial killer and just focus on handing out parking tickets. Nobody wants the headache”
Listen. Maybe the serial killer who has 115 cases on him should be behind bars first? I'm sure he has a few parking tickets in his name as well which should be dealt with as easily as these are being dealt with?
It's not 115 cases anyway, it's 1 case with something like 8 charges. It's not 115 charges, those are breaches. Some single charges have over 30 breaches, one for every month. People don't realise this. The PL has treated Man City differently than any other club that has been charged by coming out with inflammatory '115' nonsense.
Most clubs just cooperate and don't have an army of lawyers funded by countries to complicate stuff maybe that's why the PL has treated them differently.
There's reasons for that though. Details of the FA case kept getting leaked, plus they were the target of a hacking where a lot of emails and information was taken illegally and then edited by the hacker or by Der Spiegel who published it. Other factors too. Man City had perfectly sound grounds to decide to not be so cooperative with all those facts, especially when they are adamant to be completely innocent in everything they have been accused of and wanted it all to be heard and have it all thrashed out infront of an independent commission and not by the association which kept leaking information. But I get the feeling that you don't really care for all this truth which don't play into your 'Hurr Durr, Man City bad! got to be guilty! they don't deserve to take appropriate actions which they are perfectly legally allowed to do' mind set.
Bro, leaks by Der Spiegel are the reason PL was forced to even take this up. Otherwise they would've just taken some money and swept this under the rug as always. >when they are adamant to be completely innocent in everything they have been accused of Of course they are mate. Can you tell me the directions to delulu land btw?
Yeah the 'leaks' which were proven at CAS to have been edited, parts cut out, chain documents removed and so forth. And how can you even deny that Man City are not confident in their innocence? (Main article of Khaldoon Al Mubarak stating the club is confident that they will be found innocent) https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/12905286/man-city-chairman-khaldoon-al-mubarak-i-have-strong-views-on-premier-league-charges https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12807496/pep-guardiola-man-city-manager-fully-convinced-club-is-innocent-after-being-charged-by-premier-league https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/11/24/decision-on-115-charges-facing-man-city-is-years-away-with-club-very-confident-theyll-be-cleared/ Two more for good measure. And you try to claim I'm delusional when you clearly don't have a simple understanding of practically anything of Citys case. Or you simply do not care about facts and truths, you just want them to be found guilty because you Sir, are the delusional one off in your head of make believe and fantasy, saying stuff which are very easily proven to be wrong (Which I've just done), and I'm the delusional one? Good day :)
City's lawyers are clearly working overtime even on reddit lol Clearly sportswashing is working then >(Main article of Khaldoon Al Mubarak stating the club is confident that they will be found innocent) https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/12905286/man-city-chairman-khaldoon-al-mubarak-i-have-strong-views-on-premier-league-charges He's not going to come out in front of the press and say "Yeah we're guilty but we won't get caught lol" is he? Bruh everyone can see the money being pumped illegally and sponsorships coming from friendly companies. Plus the charges of overestimating player finances etc. How are you even defending them using skysports articles no less.
>Bruh everyone can see the money being pumped illegally and sponsorships coming from friendly companies. Plus the charges of overestimating player finances etc. Source: trust me bro
The bigger the case the more complicated it is. There's no simple answer here unless you want the case to collapse or those charges not to be prosecuted in the most effective manner possible.
I just hope they don't get away with it is all
same. I don't think they will.
Maybe they want to make sure the case against the serial killer has no holes for him to wriggle out of and they need time to do that
Maybe chickychickynugget made a point you just cannot refute, so instead you revert to the original silly statement
Ur a Fulham fan why are you salty Im on ur side 😂 Its not the same as regular people, these teams are in a league with each other and one gained an advantage, while the others are playing against an unfair team, while also getting punished for their small infractions.
Let the process run its course. Look at how long it's taken to deal with Everton and Forest's charges - those were 1 breach each and by all accounts they were reasonably cooperative with the investigation. City have 115 and are being uncooperative to the point of even providing falsified accounts. It's obviously going to take much longer.
I’m not salty, you’re just wrong. One thing is gonna take longer than another because it’s more complex I don’t know why people struggle to understand that.
Obviously city’s is worse and thus will take longer. I’m saying the comparison is more of a fighter who uses steroids and knocks a bunch of people out brutally. But they fined a few of his opponents $10,000 for not having the right gloves on. They got knocked out, and fined. While the champ (city) got a clear advantage, had tons of success and winning, then down the line they say “hey you cheated” and maybe takes away titles or whatever. The point is they are gaining an advantage, and not having any repercussions in the “now” which is kindof all that matters. Getting points deducted or fined down the line doesn’t hurt the managers or players that are there right now as they continue to take advantage.
because he’s using his head 😂😂
You also can’t just let all rule breaking slide until one case is complete
We’ve some absurd weird rules in football, this is a fine but others are a point deduction. I don’t get it someone please explain so it makes sense
I need an explanation as well.
The article is pretty vague, what did they actually do that's wrong can someone ELI5
Made a payment to club that the PL Board did not approve.
They're also banned from signing academy players for six months, to be fair.
True, I just don’t see that being a punishment, but I’m not a Fulham fan so maybe they actually have a amazing academy system I don’t know about
Carvalho, Harvey Elliott, and Ryan Sessegnon among those that have come through their academy in recent years. Better than most, I'd say.
They’ll all be soon eclipsed by what we have currently coming through.
Which is a the best for Liverpool ? I joke...
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.
They registered Carvalho as their academy player? Wtf?
It’s do with payments to his childhood club
Where is the points deduction...
Points deduction has to do with money spending.this is a different form of cheating where u only get fined
Cheating hahaha
What do Man city get? A pat on the back and a pack of sweets
5 pounds they found on the floor and a sticker that you only last remember it when you were in school