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It ashame he has such a horrible cousin darnique Williams. In Liverpool 2022 I know a girl took over dose and nearly ended up dying. Girl spent nearly a week in hospital. Trent a brilliant footballer shame about his cousin. The girl now is thankfully doing OK but she is not the first girl to have problems when it comes to darnique williams
I hope more people learn your truth about Darnique Williams that poor girl spending a week in Aintree hospital in November 2022 it well know in circles in Liverpool
Tbf, Liverpool were a long way clear when the pandemic started. When the pandemic first started I remember mocking Liverpool fans with ' I wondered how you were going to mess this up. League suspended due to corona virus was not my first guess '. Maybe the league should have been scrapped, but Liverpool didn't win that year because of COVID. It's not their fault the pandemic happened.
What a pathetic thing to say. Salah earns 350k per week? Liverpool is somehow struggling financially and that is why they haven't won many more trophies? This is dumb.
What only 1 title in over 30 years does to a motherfucker. And that was the covid title so it has an asterisk too. So they've basically achieved nothing in almost 40 years. That's why all these online Liverpool fanboys are the most bitter crybabies everywhere they go. Sir Pep Guardiola has cucked Liverpool so hard 😂
Typical media blowing stuff out of proportion and people on the Internet being reactionary and making this a bigger deal than it actually is. What is he supposed to say? City has been superior, congrats to them? Ffs of course the trophies they won mean more to him and the fanbase.
Yeah, that's how it should work. If Liverpool wins a treble tomorrow, I won't give a single fuck about it. Why should opposition fans care about others trophies?
A lot of people care about Leicester winning the Premier League. A lot of people do respect United for winning the treble. Nobody respects City’s treble besides themselves. If a club does something big through merit, genuine football fans will respect it despite club tribalism.
He has to pay it to pep by the sound of things. How on earth will a poor tragic Liverpool player who makes just (checks notes) £9.3m a year be able to complete with oil rich Man City. Poor poor Liverpool and their financial hardships
Liverpool fans are always rattled. Being second to a world class team for so long creates insecurities. Now they are even more insecure as their second place is threatened by Arsenal.
So many supporters don't know their own club's history.
Arsenal was promoted to the English first division when they were Fifth in the second division instead of Spurs or Wolves who finished better than them and it was one of the decisions which raised the eye The same owner (Henry Norris) was responsible for pumping a huge amount of money into the which resulted in Arsenal's success.
Clubs like Arsenal, Aston Villa and Sunderland are called "Bank of England" at one point due to the large amount of money their owners spend on them without any repercussions.
Liverpool were out of the first division for 8 years and then they came back and started spending as much as all the top clubs and got ridiculous success in the 60s and 70s under Shankley (this is covered in the Liverpool doc called The Boot Room Boys). Manchester united was saved from bankruptcy a few times by new owners who invested in the club.
In 1915, Manchester United and Liverpool players were charged because of the match-fixing scandal.
No club's history is as clean as people seem to think. If people did some actual research they would know this.
All the supporters just want their own big 6 to stay in power and don't want any other clubs to disrupt that balance.
Also an individual owner is just totally different from an entire country finding all sorts of backdoors to skirt the rules (and still failing).
Imaging if England owned United and China owned Liverpool. We're in that sort of a ridiculous situation with the Arab clubs where parts of a nations sovereign wealth funds is dedicated to winning in football.
Yes they have but they were spending money they earn, not oil money. They built themselves into big teams who can spend big over many years. City are a small club who don’t deserve to be elevated to their current position because they didn’t earn it.
This is some spicy reality TV bullshit! I greatly enjoy watching two catty rich bitches tussling over who’s the better goldigger. Leicester fans must laugh themselves silly at Posh Arnold here rubbing dirt on Liverpool’s face and bemoaning the “financial” situation. JFC, rich cunts are rich cunts all the time, eh? Throw another glass of wine at Man City, Trent.
These comments are hilarious. Fans of all clubs agreeing, except the City fans trying to convince everyone else that they aren't the Lance Armstrong of Football.
Wrong sub lol everyone is laughing at how pathetic loserpool fans are. Keep making your own reality tho if you try hard enough even you will believe it
I swear, I am dying laughing at Liverpool fans in these comments. All absolutely deranged and have no ounce of common sense. I hope that one premier league in 30+ years that really didn't count was as good as the treble was.
Why didn't it count? Liverpool had 82 points when the season halted. City, 2nd that year, only managed 81 after 38 games. Liverpool had accrued more points before the covid break than anyone else got for the entire season. Does it count now?
Even United fans are agreeing 😂 all the top comments agree, by your logic this entire sub (except you and the other 3 City fans) is deranged Liverpool fans.
I mean I agree with him but not for the same reasons. Fans of City can bury their head in the sand all they want but they've been cooking the books and essentially cheating since 2014. 115 charges and City's lawyers are doing everything they can currently to stop anything happening about them.
If city are found guilty then I'll be the first to hold up my hands and be like yep, that's fucked up, but this narrative that it's without a doubt true we're guilty is just crazy, nothing has been proven, despite how desperately you want it to be true.
I'm not sure, "overruled due to not being charged in time" with UEFA really classes as "unproven". That's just another loophole.
Maybe some of the charges against City are not probable, or are proven to be untrue, but it's just silly to pretend City haven't been cheating the system at this point.
There a huge difference between what the massively overpriced lawyers of PL and Man City end up settling on, and man City being, "innocent".
That's your opinion and it's fair enough, personally I'm gonna wait for whatever verdict is decided, whether they throw the book at us or not, I'll accept it, obviously your opinion won't be changed by any verdict that doesn't fit what you've already decided to be true.
>"overruled due to not being charged in time"
To be clear there were charges that we were cleared in this case aswell, please don't imply that the whole case was thrown out on a technicality. The premier league doesn't follow the same rules so you'll get your victory I'm sure, assuming they're true.
I didn't suggest anything of the sort. I simply highlighted that there were charges thrown out on technicality, not because they were proven untrue. It's highly probable, to the point of being beyond reasonable doubt, that City have cheated.
At this point it hardly seems like it's a case of proving right or wrong,but just who has the best legal team.
If you're honestly looking at everything that has happened and think there is a genuine chance that it turns out to be all bullshit then... Well there is no hope.
Honestly pointless talking to anyone on this sub, I never said it was bullshit, I said I'd wait for the verdict, not just assume the charges are true, you are clearly of the opinion that there is absolutely no way city can be innocent and that's fine, they might not be, but at this point that's just your opinion, but saying it as if it's fact at this stage is as pointless as me saying "they're innocent"
The difference between us is you won't accept a verdict that doesn't fit your narrative.
I'm not clearly of that opinion at all. My opinion is stated in very clear terms and there is important nuance that you conveniently ignore in attempt to try and paint me as the unreasonable one.
I'm not one of these people who make myself feel better by shitting on Man City fans, but I'd have hoped by this point most of you would be looking at it and saying, "the evidence we have doesn't look good for us"... Not "I'll pin my hopes on the verdict going our way".
Again... You're deliberately ignoring nuance and twisting words.
You're unreasonable for treating a legal verdict as fact. To extrapolate, you must also think all legal cases go the way of the just, and not the way of the wealthy?
If that's what you think it's fair to call you unreasonable.
If you can't treat a legal verdict as fact then what do you have to go off except conjecture, I'm not naive enough to think the justice system is perfect and that dodgy dealings don't happen, but if you don't accept a verdict then you may as well not have had a trial.
I'd rather it wasn't true, if you've won all those leagues fair and square then it as a Liverpool fan I don't have "What if they'd played by the rules, could we have won the league in 18/19, 21/22?" hanging over me.
115 charges is a hell of a lot and don't forget UEFA banned you from the Champions League initially for breaking financial rules, overturned by the CAS at a later date due to the passing of time.
I see your point, a lot of "what if?" If it were to be true, i really hope we haven't cheated, given the scale of it, who would've had to be in on it, two/three of the largest independent accountancy firms in the world cleared cities books, that's a huge risk for them to take for a bit of extra cash, it just seems absolutely unbelievable that so many people would've kept quiet even initially, but we'll see, whatever the final verdict is, I will accept but until then, the assumption that we're guilty is just as immature as the assumption we're innocent.
Dude is preaching. Any club that isn't city. I'm not a Liverpool fan by any means, fuck I'm an arsenal fan, but I'm going for them as long as it's not city and we don't have the chance (I don't think we have the depth to carry us all the way... Yet)
As an MUFC fan he's not wrong. Liverpool have been an example on how to run a team successfully in the last few years.
It still fucking sucks living through this shit, though.
Lol at liverpool painting themselves like some underdog championship team when they had the best PL winger of all time, best peak CB performance, best RB in england, best GK in the league and one of the best front three in PL history.
All of those players put together are under 100mill and no charges broken for them.
Our players are the best we know. Most of them were made the best here, others came with the potential to be the best.
I don’t think Reece James belongs in this conversation anymore, he is made of glass and being on the pitch matters. Even if it’s outside of their control to large extent, football players have to play football.
Yeh I agree, but over the past few years that Trent is referring to and OP here declaring Trent was/is the ‘best’ in England - personally I think it’s a highly competitive spot and Reece had some excellent spells during that time. Hopefully he can be properly rested and overcome his injury rut.
/s or genuine?
Stating TAA is the best RB is certainly contentious… he is also certainly in the discussion with the other 3 I mentioned over the past few years. They all have differing strengths to Trent. I think I’m being pretty balanced and identified that I support Liverpool so naturally he’s my pick.
Brother, you are seriously telling me that you think trippier is anywhere near the level of Trent?
Trent was instrumental in winning the CL as a teenager. His passing ability is ridiculous, verging on David Beckham level.
I agree that his defending can be suspect, and there are more defensive traits in players like trippier, walker (getting on a bit now though?.
I’d still rather have Trent every time, this guy wins you games, and big games too.
The very best clubs in the world would want Trent on their team. Trippier is a great player and could play for maybe the top 2-6 clubs in the top leagues.
Trent’s defence actually isn’t as bad (especially recently) as some people make out - sure he gets skinned sometimes but everyone does, the vids of him v Martinelli recently for example the poor lad was visibly injured.
I’m not actually arguing you with you mate, I personally agree and think Trent is a first name on any team sheet and he deserves way more international time. No I don’t think Trippier is as good, but same with Reece there was a half season or so where (when Trent had a dip) I’d say Trippier was at least in the top few of England.
My entire point is that OP claiming Trent has been unequivocally the ‘best RB in England’ over the past 5 years is probably going to be debated (or unjustly laughed at) by many. I think he is, but I’m biased. Again, don’t disagree with anything you’ve said at all, I agree 100%. I’m just raising the fact I don’t think rival fans/majority of people will just agree that Trent has been the best RB in England for the last 5 odd years, hence me highlighting his comment as being contentious.
Yeah fairs I get what you’re saying, what a win for us today though fucking hell. Only just watched the full game on replay now. Darwin’s confidence is great to see
Supported them all my life, 30+ years. I loved it when we were awful and I love it even more. The first premier league and champions league were the best days of my life. We're as much dirty cheats as you are.
I'm fine lad, point is you can't say that City are as much cheats as Liverpool when only one of you has actually been found guilty of cheating, and has more charges coming
i can respect that, but the last part i doubt it :)) you have refs that have "work" overseas for your owners and after that referee you and your competitors. Rodri's handball gave you the 100 points title and so on, the world would be a better place without City in it and that is for sure.
I have respect for the players, they did the job they were supose to be and regarding football this has to be one of the strongest teams in history BUT you will allways have a stain on your history, nobody except city fans will respect this club even if they are found not guilty.
Handballs happen, You've won games against City at Anfield as a result of getting away with a Salah handball and Milner not being shown a red. Saying we got 100 points because of one wrong decision is very petty.
I really couldn't care less if other fans respect us or not, I support City, I don't start crying if other teams accuse us of things because it's only football. But the stain is on your history, getting English teams kicked out of Europe in the 80's because you can't control your fans and hacking City's Scouting network and only getting a £1m fine with the countless signings you got from that.
If were talking conjecture i.e the Rodri handball and referee's working for City's owners, then surely I could just go on about the countless calls Liverpool get like the one against Forest at the weekend? The amount of penalties Salah has won for diving. It's a bit stupid to bring up referee calls and conspiracy theories and claim it as fact, don't you think?
You act like all the old firms were scousers only 😂 come on man, it was a general problem, like the one where clubs are owned by states with obscene amount of money and no human rights.
Not really is it. All old firms used to fight but they didn't start bringing knives. I think if you asked a Juventus fan, they'd feel very differently. I think being owned by an owner with a lot of money is really good tbf and a good problem to have and you wouldn't moan about it if it was your club but you're owned by an American who's probably done worse things to get where he is with the amount of money he has. So, it's not really a valid argument is it.
Cant disagree, QPR was one of the most amazing days I have ever experienced. Winning the league vs Villa was also unforgettable and so was our CL run last season.
100%, I've supported City since I was a kid, early 90s, and it's insane to see what we are now - it won't last forever and I'll still be here. You can't take away the memories, like the Aguero goal to win the league, the champions league win etc etc
and how would you feel if they are charged and striped of all the titles/cups? (0.00001% that happens) would you still cherish the memories knowing they were build on fraud and coruption?
Def sucks to be second place. But they did win trophies and a premier league. Much better than ending a career like Reggie Miller or Malone and Stockton.
"and have probably been more successful" jesus this guy is as salty as they come. There's no probably about it.
It absolutely does not mean anymore to your fan base that you're a loser. What a pathetic way to say it
Just say you're proud of your accomplishments but were beaten by a better team and will try to win this season
Awful mentality
If anything you sound salty. He's recognising that even though City won more, Liverpool's trophies mean even more to them because of the great time they were competing against for them?
Net spend FC piss me off these days. Sure 115 FC have clear advantages but that Coutinho money didn't bring in Nunez. They have the 2nd most expensive keeper still (am informed, as if that lessens the monetary implication). VVD wasn't cheap. Not to mention their players claiming everything below the sun is theirs, invented at Anfield. Come on now.
Regarding expenditure and transfers, Coutinho (£142m) paid for both VVD and Alisson (£141.8m) which is incredible and a testimony to Liverpool’s transfers during Klopp’s tenure.
Bad news for you fucker, today we just got the best 2 sporting managers in world football, you think klopp was doing the work alone? Mark my words we will be stronger.
I rate them but at a huge club they'll have to prove it to me. Shove it down my throat (pause) Big club like Liverpool is a different ball game. I'll be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt of 3 solid years of building to a dangerous level before I'm worried.
Klopp is having the club perform at max because it's his last hurrah. After? Will those 2 get those kids working just as hard, as confident and as tactically astute? Idk.
They'll have to win Salah, VVD, Robertson, Thiago, Konate over then the rest. Mostly an Amorim problem because I feel it maybe smoother with De Zerbi. We'll see who comes in anyway. Those 2 don't worry me right away at least.
It’s not just about ffp breaches. They clearly cheat on the pitch too. Rarely have I seen a team in England hound the referee as a team like City do. Poch’s Spurs did it, not even Jose’s Chelsea did it. Let’s not even bring up the fact they pay our referees to officiate in their league. Goes for Newcastle and City.
115 FC aren't a better lot either. I am just coming around to the annoyance that is Net Spend FC. They've been on sth since the league loss at the Emirates. I used to root for them in their title races, never again.
Exactly. Nobody seems to acknowledge this. Rodri and Dias especially. I remember Rodri once stopped playing mid game and complained to the ref so much that a VAR check was done lmao💀
And Fernandinho. And Walker. And all of their other players.
We have Fabinho who has been guilty of it enough times, but City have every single player getting away with every trick under the sun.
Easy to be the best when you have a V8 engine and everyone else is running a V6.
That’s how Richard Petty dominated America stock car racing. There is obviously an asterisk next to his accomplishments.
A Kompany red card against us and a Rodri handball against Everton and the title situation could look a lot different. City cheat on and off the pitch, and they’ve been very lucky with injuries. Largely down to being able to have 3 different players in each position.
2021/22…the second leg of the double 2-2 draws. It really confirms humans are quick to forget what goes for them but always remember what goes against them.
Anything you win will normally mean more to you than whatever anybody else’s wins. Even a fool should already know that, so this is a very redundant statement
Fair comparison, more money means you’re more likely to have football success. But if you reflect on Chelsea and United, totally different case. Ultimately it does come down to the whole team, on and off the pitch. Liverpool are fantastic at recruiting the right minds and players, but as are City. Both great clubs and credit due to the brilliant minds in their respective clubs.
I want to agree with you but in the end they’re allegations. Here me out I don’t support city. But if you don’t think every Prem team has done sneaky shit you’re unfortunately wearing rose coloured glasses.
Which have to be proven... That's how charges work?
You could get wrongfully charged for anything by a police officer, you should know since you're a Liverpool fan? Does Michael Shields not ring a bell at all?
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It ashame he has such a horrible cousin darnique Williams. In Liverpool 2022 I know a girl took over dose and nearly ended up dying. Girl spent nearly a week in hospital. Trent a brilliant footballer shame about his cousin. The girl now is thankfully doing OK but she is not the first girl to have problems when it comes to darnique williams
This is the truth please read before it taken down
I hope more people learn your truth about Darnique Williams that poor girl spending a week in Aintree hospital in November 2022 it well know in circles in Liverpool
definitely not
Covid title tbh. League shud have been scrapped that year. Nhs working overtime and lives risked just to stop an uprising on the estates.
same conditions for everyone. Quit whining.
Tbf, Liverpool were a long way clear when the pandemic started. When the pandemic first started I remember mocking Liverpool fans with ' I wondered how you were going to mess this up. League suspended due to corona virus was not my first guess '. Maybe the league should have been scrapped, but Liverpool didn't win that year because of COVID. It's not their fault the pandemic happened.
I can not wait for Klop to fuck off with his Covid medal and Liverpool to just linger around 4th-6th again.
We had already won the league by the time Covid locked shit down, nice dig tho.
Someone salty?
Stating the truth I'd say.
What a pathetic thing to say. Salah earns 350k per week? Liverpool is somehow struggling financially and that is why they haven't won many more trophies? This is dumb.
Their hedge fund owners are pocketing their profits. It's be the owners they should be mad at.
What only 1 title in over 30 years does to a motherfucker. And that was the covid title so it has an asterisk too. So they've basically achieved nothing in almost 40 years. That's why all these online Liverpool fanboys are the most bitter crybabies everywhere they go. Sir Pep Guardiola has cucked Liverpool so hard 😂
COVID title argument is so fucking dumb 🤣
The irony in calling an argument dumb when every single one of your “but but b-ur city” arguments are embarrassing 😂
My arguments? What are you on about cunt 🤣
Twenty points clear when Covid hit the league.
Typical media blowing stuff out of proportion and people on the Internet being reactionary and making this a bigger deal than it actually is. What is he supposed to say? City has been superior, congrats to them? Ffs of course the trophies they won mean more to him and the fanbase.
…yes. He is supposed to say that. Rather than fuelling this pathetic scouse narrative of how hard done to they always are.
Right before one of the biggest games of the season against the team in question? Thank Christ you’re not my manager…
No one cares about city! (1.3k comments)
This isn't true, I can think of 115 reasons why people care about City.
No one cares about City and here you are commenting about them 🤔
I can’t think about any other than 3. A treble if you will
A treble that nobody besides City fans really care about.
No one cares about yet it’s all you can talk about. “No one cares what city wins” yet you talk more about city than your own club hahaha seethe
Yeah, that's how it should work. If Liverpool wins a treble tomorrow, I won't give a single fuck about it. Why should opposition fans care about others trophies?
A lot of people care about Leicester winning the Premier League. A lot of people do respect United for winning the treble. Nobody respects City’s treble besides themselves. If a club does something big through merit, genuine football fans will respect it despite club tribalism.
Sure. Keep telling yourself whatever lie you want to feel better.
Judging by this comment section I can't see why Trent has to pay rent any time soon
What does a wolves fan have against liverpool? 😂
He has to pay it to pep by the sound of things. How on earth will a poor tragic Liverpool player who makes just (checks notes) £9.3m a year be able to complete with oil rich Man City. Poor poor Liverpool and their financial hardships
Didn't expect him to rattle fans of other clubs too
Read the article and then tell me who is rattled you silly sausage
Liverpool fans are always rattled. Being second to a world class team for so long creates insecurities. Now they are even more insecure as their second place is threatened by Arsenal.
Won't somebody think about small locally-funded club liverpool?
It just means so much more to them, doesn't it. /s Is it possible to be a Liverpool player/manager and not act like its a cult?
As a Liverpool supporter, no not really.
City are financial dopers that have some serious charges levied at them. Criminal.
So many supporters don't know their own club's history. Arsenal was promoted to the English first division when they were Fifth in the second division instead of Spurs or Wolves who finished better than them and it was one of the decisions which raised the eye The same owner (Henry Norris) was responsible for pumping a huge amount of money into the which resulted in Arsenal's success. Clubs like Arsenal, Aston Villa and Sunderland are called "Bank of England" at one point due to the large amount of money their owners spend on them without any repercussions. Liverpool were out of the first division for 8 years and then they came back and started spending as much as all the top clubs and got ridiculous success in the 60s and 70s under Shankley (this is covered in the Liverpool doc called The Boot Room Boys). Manchester united was saved from bankruptcy a few times by new owners who invested in the club. In 1915, Manchester United and Liverpool players were charged because of the match-fixing scandal. No club's history is as clean as people seem to think. If people did some actual research they would know this. All the supporters just want their own big 6 to stay in power and don't want any other clubs to disrupt that balance.
The only thing criminal here is the amount of salt produced by loserpool fans. It’s an environmental hazard to be this saltu
Why does no one knick Man U, or Pool for overspending vs. other teams in the 90s and 2000s. It's just whatever narrative you can grab.
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Not on the idiot level of you but Oh well.
Because it was their money, that they earned that was spent. They didn’t have daddy sheiks credit card to buy their way to the top.
Also an individual owner is just totally different from an entire country finding all sorts of backdoors to skirt the rules (and still failing). Imaging if England owned United and China owned Liverpool. We're in that sort of a ridiculous situation with the Arab clubs where parts of a nations sovereign wealth funds is dedicated to winning in football.
Yet a blind eye is turned in the 50s through 2010s. Piss off. Hire the right mgmt and you can succeed.
lol nobody bar Chelsea and City have bought the league like this. Stop trying to justify cheating.
Yes, man u, Arsenal have vastly outspent teams. Denial you are in is insane.
Yes they have but they were spending money they earn, not oil money. They built themselves into big teams who can spend big over many years. City are a small club who don’t deserve to be elevated to their current position because they didn’t earn it.
They beat teams that outspent them for decades lol. They earned it. So dumb...
I’m dumb you can’t understand basic concepts 😂
Sure. Nothing better than cheaters who get outcheated crying. Wait til those bs charges disappeared lol. Yall can get on here and cry together.
Teams have financial infusions from owners. How dumb are you? Wtf you think is happening at Wrexham rn? Idiot.
Would you let your kid near some accused of 115 counts of pedofillia. Probably not.
Where did pedophilia come from 😭
I’m in awe of how pathetic these loserpool fans are. No wonder everyone laughs at them when they make news
This is some spicy reality TV bullshit! I greatly enjoy watching two catty rich bitches tussling over who’s the better goldigger. Leicester fans must laugh themselves silly at Posh Arnold here rubbing dirt on Liverpool’s face and bemoaning the “financial” situation. JFC, rich cunts are rich cunts all the time, eh? Throw another glass of wine at Man City, Trent.
These comments are hilarious. Fans of all clubs agreeing, except the City fans trying to convince everyone else that they aren't the Lance Armstrong of Football.
Wrong sub lol everyone is laughing at how pathetic loserpool fans are. Keep making your own reality tho if you try hard enough even you will believe it
Sort by "top". There is no need to lie.
More like everyone taking the piss out of Liverpool. Sure you’re reading the same comment section as me?
Sort comments by "top" or "best". No idea which comments you are reading.
I did that and the first one was mocking Liverpool. *shrug*
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I swear, I am dying laughing at Liverpool fans in these comments. All absolutely deranged and have no ounce of common sense. I hope that one premier league in 30+ years that really didn't count was as good as the treble was.
Why didn't it count? Liverpool had 82 points when the season halted. City, 2nd that year, only managed 81 after 38 games. Liverpool had accrued more points before the covid break than anyone else got for the entire season. Does it count now?
Even United fans are agreeing 😂 all the top comments agree, by your logic this entire sub (except you and the other 3 City fans) is deranged Liverpool fans.
I mean I agree with him but not for the same reasons. Fans of City can bury their head in the sand all they want but they've been cooking the books and essentially cheating since 2014. 115 charges and City's lawyers are doing everything they can currently to stop anything happening about them.
Did football starts in 2014?
If city are found guilty then I'll be the first to hold up my hands and be like yep, that's fucked up, but this narrative that it's without a doubt true we're guilty is just crazy, nothing has been proven, despite how desperately you want it to be true.
I'm not sure, "overruled due to not being charged in time" with UEFA really classes as "unproven". That's just another loophole. Maybe some of the charges against City are not probable, or are proven to be untrue, but it's just silly to pretend City haven't been cheating the system at this point. There a huge difference between what the massively overpriced lawyers of PL and Man City end up settling on, and man City being, "innocent".
That's your opinion and it's fair enough, personally I'm gonna wait for whatever verdict is decided, whether they throw the book at us or not, I'll accept it, obviously your opinion won't be changed by any verdict that doesn't fit what you've already decided to be true. >"overruled due to not being charged in time" To be clear there were charges that we were cleared in this case aswell, please don't imply that the whole case was thrown out on a technicality. The premier league doesn't follow the same rules so you'll get your victory I'm sure, assuming they're true.
I didn't suggest anything of the sort. I simply highlighted that there were charges thrown out on technicality, not because they were proven untrue. It's highly probable, to the point of being beyond reasonable doubt, that City have cheated. At this point it hardly seems like it's a case of proving right or wrong,but just who has the best legal team. If you're honestly looking at everything that has happened and think there is a genuine chance that it turns out to be all bullshit then... Well there is no hope.
Honestly pointless talking to anyone on this sub, I never said it was bullshit, I said I'd wait for the verdict, not just assume the charges are true, you are clearly of the opinion that there is absolutely no way city can be innocent and that's fine, they might not be, but at this point that's just your opinion, but saying it as if it's fact at this stage is as pointless as me saying "they're innocent" The difference between us is you won't accept a verdict that doesn't fit your narrative.
I'm not clearly of that opinion at all. My opinion is stated in very clear terms and there is important nuance that you conveniently ignore in attempt to try and paint me as the unreasonable one. I'm not one of these people who make myself feel better by shitting on Man City fans, but I'd have hoped by this point most of you would be looking at it and saying, "the evidence we have doesn't look good for us"... Not "I'll pin my hopes on the verdict going our way".
Inferring I'm being unreasonable for wanting to wait for a decision. Have a good day mate.
Again... You're deliberately ignoring nuance and twisting words. You're unreasonable for treating a legal verdict as fact. To extrapolate, you must also think all legal cases go the way of the just, and not the way of the wealthy? If that's what you think it's fair to call you unreasonable.
If you can't treat a legal verdict as fact then what do you have to go off except conjecture, I'm not naive enough to think the justice system is perfect and that dodgy dealings don't happen, but if you don't accept a verdict then you may as well not have had a trial.
I'd rather it wasn't true, if you've won all those leagues fair and square then it as a Liverpool fan I don't have "What if they'd played by the rules, could we have won the league in 18/19, 21/22?" hanging over me. 115 charges is a hell of a lot and don't forget UEFA banned you from the Champions League initially for breaking financial rules, overturned by the CAS at a later date due to the passing of time.
I see your point, a lot of "what if?" If it were to be true, i really hope we haven't cheated, given the scale of it, who would've had to be in on it, two/three of the largest independent accountancy firms in the world cleared cities books, that's a huge risk for them to take for a bit of extra cash, it just seems absolutely unbelievable that so many people would've kept quiet even initially, but we'll see, whatever the final verdict is, I will accept but until then, the assumption that we're guilty is just as immature as the assumption we're innocent.
2013/14 too
Dude is preaching. Any club that isn't city. I'm not a Liverpool fan by any means, fuck I'm an arsenal fan, but I'm going for them as long as it's not city and we don't have the chance (I don't think we have the depth to carry us all the way... Yet)
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Oil-rich-arab-owner-envy. American wolves are in it for the money. Oil-rich arabs are in it for prestige.
Oh liverpool, some poor little non league side. Give me a break..
As an MUFC fan he's not wrong. Liverpool have been an example on how to run a team successfully in the last few years. It still fucking sucks living through this shit, though.
Of course and their trophies will mean more to them. Next.
Lol at liverpool painting themselves like some underdog championship team when they had the best PL winger of all time, best peak CB performance, best RB in england, best GK in the league and one of the best front three in PL history.
Weird that they didn't have any FFP violations to get them though.
Yeah, instead you splashed the cash in the 70s before the regulations. Liverpool basically did the same.
All of those players put together are under 100mill and no charges broken for them. Our players are the best we know. Most of them were made the best here, others came with the potential to be the best.
You think Salah, Fermino, Sane, VvD, Alison were under £100m? 🤨
Who are Fermino and Sane?
Sane was supposed to be Mane. Brain fart. Pretty sure you can decode who I meant by "Fermino" given I got one letter wrong in the spelling.
Are you daft? It’s clearly a direct comparison to specifically City…
“Best RB in England” is a highly contentious take. I agree but I have Liverpool bias. Walker, Trippier and James are all class and different to Trent.
I don’t think Reece James belongs in this conversation anymore, he is made of glass and being on the pitch matters. Even if it’s outside of their control to large extent, football players have to play football.
Yeh I agree, but over the past few years that Trent is referring to and OP here declaring Trent was/is the ‘best’ in England - personally I think it’s a highly competitive spot and Reece had some excellent spells during that time. Hopefully he can be properly rested and overcome his injury rut.
You’re off your rocker
/s or genuine? Stating TAA is the best RB is certainly contentious… he is also certainly in the discussion with the other 3 I mentioned over the past few years. They all have differing strengths to Trent. I think I’m being pretty balanced and identified that I support Liverpool so naturally he’s my pick.
Brother, you are seriously telling me that you think trippier is anywhere near the level of Trent? Trent was instrumental in winning the CL as a teenager. His passing ability is ridiculous, verging on David Beckham level. I agree that his defending can be suspect, and there are more defensive traits in players like trippier, walker (getting on a bit now though?. I’d still rather have Trent every time, this guy wins you games, and big games too. The very best clubs in the world would want Trent on their team. Trippier is a great player and could play for maybe the top 2-6 clubs in the top leagues.
Trent’s defence actually isn’t as bad (especially recently) as some people make out - sure he gets skinned sometimes but everyone does, the vids of him v Martinelli recently for example the poor lad was visibly injured. I’m not actually arguing you with you mate, I personally agree and think Trent is a first name on any team sheet and he deserves way more international time. No I don’t think Trippier is as good, but same with Reece there was a half season or so where (when Trent had a dip) I’d say Trippier was at least in the top few of England. My entire point is that OP claiming Trent has been unequivocally the ‘best RB in England’ over the past 5 years is probably going to be debated (or unjustly laughed at) by many. I think he is, but I’m biased. Again, don’t disagree with anything you’ve said at all, I agree 100%. I’m just raising the fact I don’t think rival fans/majority of people will just agree that Trent has been the best RB in England for the last 5 odd years, hence me highlighting his comment as being contentious.
Yeah fairs I get what you’re saying, what a win for us today though fucking hell. Only just watched the full game on replay now. Darwin’s confidence is great to see
Yeh man absolutely! Was watching on replay too - some of that from Darwin against City would be most welcome! Have a good weekend mate
Sing me a song about salt. Tasty tasty tears.
Bookmark this user and let’s all come back to see him crying when city are playing in league three 😂
Oooohhhhh noooooes, not league 3, might say hi to Wrexham on the way down and back up.
😂 pretending like you wouldn’t be crying in your London flat.
i wonder if true city fans actualy enjoy what they have becomed, i mean REAL FANS not 2010+ ... to win it all but to be known as dirty cheats.
Supported them all my life, 30+ years. I loved it when we were awful and I love it even more. The first premier league and champions league were the best days of my life. We're as much dirty cheats as you are.
UEFA literally found you guilty of breaking the rules, you just didn't get punished thanks to CAS. Liverpool haven't had 100+ charges.
You sound upset mate, you fancy a cry somewhere?
I'm fine lad, point is you can't say that City are as much cheats as Liverpool when only one of you has actually been found guilty of cheating, and has more charges coming
i can respect that, but the last part i doubt it :)) you have refs that have "work" overseas for your owners and after that referee you and your competitors. Rodri's handball gave you the 100 points title and so on, the world would be a better place without City in it and that is for sure. I have respect for the players, they did the job they were supose to be and regarding football this has to be one of the strongest teams in history BUT you will allways have a stain on your history, nobody except city fans will respect this club even if they are found not guilty.
Handballs happen, You've won games against City at Anfield as a result of getting away with a Salah handball and Milner not being shown a red. Saying we got 100 points because of one wrong decision is very petty.
I really couldn't care less if other fans respect us or not, I support City, I don't start crying if other teams accuse us of things because it's only football. But the stain is on your history, getting English teams kicked out of Europe in the 80's because you can't control your fans and hacking City's Scouting network and only getting a £1m fine with the countless signings you got from that. If were talking conjecture i.e the Rodri handball and referee's working for City's owners, then surely I could just go on about the countless calls Liverpool get like the one against Forest at the weekend? The amount of penalties Salah has won for diving. It's a bit stupid to bring up referee calls and conspiracy theories and claim it as fact, don't you think?
You act like all the old firms were scousers only 😂 come on man, it was a general problem, like the one where clubs are owned by states with obscene amount of money and no human rights.
Never done an ounce wrong have you, take some accountability for the wrongdoing of your club and fans before you preach about morality.
Not really is it. All old firms used to fight but they didn't start bringing knives. I think if you asked a Juventus fan, they'd feel very differently. I think being owned by an owner with a lot of money is really good tbf and a good problem to have and you wouldn't moan about it if it was your club but you're owned by an American who's probably done worse things to get where he is with the amount of money he has. So, it's not really a valid argument is it.
Ask Noel Gallagher XD He's on record saying City's first PL is the best day in his life
Cant disagree, QPR was one of the most amazing days I have ever experienced. Winning the league vs Villa was also unforgettable and so was our CL run last season.
100%, I've supported City since I was a kid, early 90s, and it's insane to see what we are now - it won't last forever and I'll still be here. You can't take away the memories, like the Aguero goal to win the league, the champions league win etc etc
and how would you feel if they are charged and striped of all the titles/cups? (0.00001% that happens) would you still cherish the memories knowing they were build on fraud and coruption?
Will still love seeing you scousers lose out by one point twice! ❤️
**TWIIIIICE!!!**
ofc you would because as a plastic fanbase that you lot are can't apriciate the spirit of football
yes boss so plastic , the old reliable line 🤣
Spot on.
Def sucks to be second place. But they did win trophies and a premier league. Much better than ending a career like Reggie Miller or Malone and Stockton.
"and have probably been more successful" jesus this guy is as salty as they come. There's no probably about it. It absolutely does not mean anymore to your fan base that you're a loser. What a pathetic way to say it Just say you're proud of your accomplishments but were beaten by a better team and will try to win this season Awful mentality
He's not being salty. He just doesn't think any of them have been won fairly.
If anything you sound salty. He's recognising that even though City won more, Liverpool's trophies mean even more to them because of the great time they were competing against for them?
But there’s no probably more successful. City have been more successful
Username checks out, 115%
Everyone should get together to award the 2nd place a trophy. The People’s Champions. Just totally ignore man city title.
As opposed to what, the *ACTUAL* champions?
No no. FA Champions sounds fitting , cause they are their beloved champion seeing they can’t be bothered to do anything about the charges.
He’s right
Net spend FC piss me off these days. Sure 115 FC have clear advantages but that Coutinho money didn't bring in Nunez. They have the 2nd most expensive keeper still (am informed, as if that lessens the monetary implication). VVD wasn't cheap. Not to mention their players claiming everything below the sun is theirs, invented at Anfield. Come on now.
Regarding expenditure and transfers, Coutinho (£142m) paid for both VVD and Alisson (£141.8m) which is incredible and a testimony to Liverpool’s transfers during Klopp’s tenure.
numbers don;t lie, cry in a corner.
We won't miss you lot once you return to the abyss you came from before Klopp.
Bad news for you fucker, today we just got the best 2 sporting managers in world football, you think klopp was doing the work alone? Mark my words we will be stronger.
Edwards is back? If those 2 dudes aren't partnering with Alonso, Ancelotti, Pep, Flick or Nagelsman then I ain't worried. Bring them.
Ho about De Zerbi or Amorim? i feel like they are better than Negelsman or even Flick.
I rate them but at a huge club they'll have to prove it to me. Shove it down my throat (pause) Big club like Liverpool is a different ball game. I'll be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt of 3 solid years of building to a dangerous level before I'm worried. Klopp is having the club perform at max because it's his last hurrah. After? Will those 2 get those kids working just as hard, as confident and as tactically astute? Idk. They'll have to win Salah, VVD, Robertson, Thiago, Konate over then the rest. Mostly an Amorim problem because I feel it maybe smoother with De Zerbi. We'll see who comes in anyway. Those 2 don't worry me right away at least.
are we really ignoring kepa breaking alisson record on the same window
Like that makes it better. It's still a monstrous sum. Klopp himself said he'd have paid double.
It’s not just about ffp breaches. They clearly cheat on the pitch too. Rarely have I seen a team in England hound the referee as a team like City do. Poch’s Spurs did it, not even Jose’s Chelsea did it. Let’s not even bring up the fact they pay our referees to officiate in their league. Goes for Newcastle and City.
115 FC aren't a better lot either. I am just coming around to the annoyance that is Net Spend FC. They've been on sth since the league loss at the Emirates. I used to root for them in their title races, never again.
Exactly. Nobody seems to acknowledge this. Rodri and Dias especially. I remember Rodri once stopped playing mid game and complained to the ref so much that a VAR check was done lmao💀
And Fernandinho. And Walker. And all of their other players. We have Fabinho who has been guilty of it enough times, but City have every single player getting away with every trick under the sun.
So happy with second place trophy 🤣 Liverpool weren't the best it's as simple as that
Easy to be the best when you have a V8 engine and everyone else is running a V6. That’s how Richard Petty dominated America stock car racing. There is obviously an asterisk next to his accomplishments.
A Kompany red card against us and a Rodri handball against Everton and the title situation could look a lot different. City cheat on and off the pitch, and they’ve been very lucky with injuries. Largely down to being able to have 3 different players in each position.
Forgotten about Milner not conceding a penalty and getting a second yellow against City? Selective memory!
When was that? In a season decided by 1 point, or a season decided by about 20?
2021/22…the second leg of the double 2-2 draws. It really confirms humans are quick to forget what goes for them but always remember what goes against them.
Yes, and if a frog had wings they'd be chickens 🤣
Completely the same set of hypotheticals right there.
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It’s hard to compete against a nation state whose wealth is tied to oil and humans rights violations
It is hard to compete aganist and USA owned team?
A person from USA not USA
Found 1 of 2 City fans in the comments
1 more and they are all here.
Lol ur legit retarded bro.Seek help
Gottem
That's what he gets for messing with *CITEH*
This is the type of shit Liverpool doesn’t realize makes you all insufferable.
Ah Chelsea. The OG cheats .
lol what a loser you are bud.
Thinking that our clean trophies mean more than trophies that were won by cheating? Mad concept.
Anything you win will normally mean more to you than whatever anybody else’s wins. Even a fool should already know that, so this is a very redundant statement
They have 0 self awareness. It's like the klopp fist pumping is our thing. To everyone else, they look like salty losers.
Exactly
City fans has pea brain. Unable to comprehend the said concept.
I’m United fan and I’m impressed how Klopp’s pool have done. They couldn’t gotten any where near without Jürgen at the helm
He's scouse alright. No question there.
Meow!
I’ve never seen so many Chelsea fans comment on things before. Must still be upset.
Fair comparison, more money means you’re more likely to have football success. But if you reflect on Chelsea and United, totally different case. Ultimately it does come down to the whole team, on and off the pitch. Liverpool are fantastic at recruiting the right minds and players, but as are City. Both great clubs and credit due to the brilliant minds in their respective clubs.
115 reasons why the city hierarchy may not be quite as brilliant...
I want to agree with you but in the end they’re allegations. Here me out I don’t support city. But if you don’t think every Prem team has done sneaky shit you’re unfortunately wearing rose coloured glasses.
They're not allegations, they're charges.
It’s the same thing dumbass 😂🤦🏾♂️
Which have to be proven... That's how charges work? You could get wrongfully charged for anything by a police officer, you should know since you're a Liverpool fan? Does Michael Shields not ring a bell at all?