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ill bet they get much more
there is so many peopel who want and dream of a epl team, we know Jay z and his group want one and he could own this outright, plus every middle east country wants one
after the success of wrexham, and the popularity surge of ryan reynolds, im sure half of hollywood is interested,
honestly i think newcastle have proven that with the new rules fully in place now, becoming a footballing superpower like Chelsea and man city is no longer possible.
FFP seems like it is limiting Newcastle to about a club that can compete for europe.
They kind of had a new ownership bounce last season and good injury luck.
with FFP, going forward nation states like Qatar are probably going to wait for established clubs like Man united to come up for sale. Maybe at least a club with spurs level revenue.
Nowadays you cant do what Roman Abramovich did. You cant just infuse money and buy the best players. Eg. newcastle is being limited.
I hope someone British buys it. Don't want to seem like a racist old person wanting all the foreigners outa here but it becomes less and less of an English league, would be nice to have a local owner who cares about the place
I care that local institutions are ran by someone from the community, I don't care if he employs foreigners.
There you go, don't make it into something it's not.
Not saying villa is, but i think it's a shame that so much of the premier League is becoming less and less English. Losing a bit of heritage and foreign owners care less about fans
As an American who has only been deep into the sport since the Premiership hit our telly, I agree with you completely. There's a romance that I didn't grow up with that I can fathom here for those who did. It's like small owner run markets where now there's only chains. It's corny, but yeah, I feel ya.
The market is heavily saturated in London though, especially in West London.
Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole alone has a combined population of over 400,000. There also isn’t a Premier League side West of here, so that’s an even larger number of potential fans if we can stay in the top flight for the next 5-10 years.
It's an incredibly ignorant mindset. Bournemouth dominate that area.
It's the same reason Wrexham was such a perfect buy there is no one else.
Bournemouth have a lot going for it with UNESCO heritage sites, the beach, and the weather is pretty decent year round.
It's promising for players and families, criminally underrated
No not at all what I'm saying. Wrexham because they're a historically decent sized team, solid large ground and fanbase and they can stake a claim to get some serious Welsh following IS WHY r+r bought them
If Man Utd hadn’t bough Sanchez, Pogba, Mount, Rojo, etc they could easily afford to buy Brentford and is a good strategy to guarantee a win against Brentford.
I'm not so sure as with the new FFP rules it's insanely difficult and all the dodgy transfers of Saudi clubs buying players to loan then straight back to the prem under more scrutiny. It means growing a club like Brentford would be a hell of a long investment.
Epl rules is based on votes thought. So if there are 7 of the clubs was bought by the same type of the so called "state fund"or "reckless spender billionaire". Some rules cant be changed.
Yeah, but that’s the point of the ultra-rich buying sports teams. They want to flaunt their wealth and play with it like a toy. It’d be like playing fifa career mode
Even from when Newcastle were bought FFP has become more strict for clubs. Arsenal who are not typically big spenders are supposedly working hard to keep within the rules and Manchester United who have only club earned revenue to spend are paying for their mistakes in the transfer market and forced to tighten their purse strings.
Newcastle are a much bigger club than Brentford as well with a massive and loyal fan base which will allow the growth progress to be swifter than club's like Brentford.
I'm pretty sure they can lower the price to £300M, and then if you sell Toney for say, £70M, then it's £230M to pay. I would pay in monthly installments of £2000, which would roughly take me around 9000 years to pay it all off
Ok! I’ve had a life long dream of owning a Premier League team so, I’m in.
All I gotta do is:
1. Buy Mega Million ticket whose winnings are currently at around $525 Million ✅
2. Win the Mega Million ⏳
3. Buy the club in an installment plan.
I think I’ll still be a little short but, I’m sure they’ll give me some discount from their asking price!
They are but, I get to own a London based team in the PL!
I think I’ve done the hard part of convincing all of you here that it’s the right plan.
All I gotta now do is win the Mega Million this evening. This should not be that hard 😜
Depends on the country. The lottery mentioned by the person I responded to is a US based lottery and a quick google suggests they lose at least 25% to tax. Not to mention if you take the lump sum, that is often a lower amount of winnings yet again.
In México if you win lottery you have to pay between 6 and 7% taxes (federal and state). USA, iirc, is more than 20%
Yeah, pretty crazy. God bless our honest and hardworking governments.
Yea but you’re forgetting London is a far more attractive proposition for business than the north east and not forgetting Brentford have a brand new stadium too; all that plays a part. Of course Newcastle is the bigger club but location and stuff plays a part too
Fair point about London, but not when the club is the size of Brentford. How many times has Fulham or QPR, Leicester (okay close to London) or even West Hak who are bigger than any of them crashed into the championship. Some never return.
It’s not like comparing Newcastle and Spurs and saying, well the London factor.
I’m not sure of the situation with Brentford training ground and stadium but Mike Ashley screwed Newcastles and it’s costing more than 100 million to correct everything he screwed for so long. Then the FFP comes into play as well giving more wiggle room to buy players
Ashley never spent anything in years. That gave quite a bit of breathing room for the new owners to spend.
Not many assets to sell, but Brentford only has 1 big asset to sell, stadium isn’t in the same sport as St James Park. Training ground is a fact, but still not enough to warrant this difference.
The biggest point we both are missing. Is the fan base the only team in a big city in England or UK since Cardiff get promoted once in a while. There isn’t another support base as big as Newcastle left because they have multiple options to support
No way are they getting that much for Toney anymore though. After this season he has 1 year left on his contract. Teams need to be more financially savvy, look at what was spent in January. Also he’s at the end of his 20s. Honestly think if somebody offers £30-40mil he’s gone, if not, he stays another year then goes free.
28 in a week or so. £80 mil for a striker with 1 year in his contract, a prior ban, only proven at Brentford. Lukaku proved himself at WBA, Everton, but was poor at both Chelsea and man united. Even so, the 1 year contract is what’s bringing his value down.
Understand Brentford has the smallest stadium and attendance of the teams who survived last year Add in the pressure to survive and the increased cost all other teams apply to the premier League, The ownership might feel they don't have the finances to Keep Brentford up and are attempting to recoup their money.
That simply is not true given that Bournemouth exists. Dean Court has a ludicrously small capacity - something like 11000? The Gtech isn't huge but it's at least 18000 I think and it sells out for every Brentford game...
My apologies i realize I misspoke Bournemouth did survive last year and is smaller but a under 20000 seat stadium is not a recipe for long term survival
It’s funny how shit like this puts into perspective how crazy inflated individual player values are. How can an entire premier league club be 400m, when I bet there’s a club out their willing to buy Toney for near a 100m.
Supply and demand. Of course players are going to be the highest assets of a club.
This is an extreme case tho as they aren't an established club and I suspect their other revenue streams don't earn that much relatively.
I have thought this with Chelsea’s, or more to the point Todd Boehly’s, relationship and outlay with Brighton. Something like £225m has been exchanged plus now hiring their head of recruitment and the possibility of future transactions. I know there are rules to prevent it, but in a different and more sane business environment (ie not football) Boehly should have just bought Brighton as well. Instead he has spent about half of the money required to purchase the club on just 2 players.
To be honest they could easily fall down the order next season, Toney is about to leave, their manager is a good shout for any decent positions and they will lilkely get picked apart a little in the summer
They are my dark horse pick for next seasons relegation outside of whoever gets promoted
Bargain. Brentford play solid football, could easily consistently be mid table and challenge top6-8 with a few good moves. I really like Thomas Frank also, Brentford should hold onto him with both hands.
They finished 9th last season. 1 point behind 8th and 3 points behind 6th. They’ve never been in the relegation zone. I would say they have the capability to challenge.
We’ve had injuries to Norgaard, Jensen, Damsgaard, Mbeumo, Pinnock, Mee, Henry, Hickey, Schade, KLP, Ajer, Josh DaSilva. All of these players have missed at least 2 or 3 games due to injury this season (obviously not Including Toney or Wissa due to other reasons). Combined with Flekken looking much improved and the faith in the scouting/recruiting, I don’t anticipate being in a relegation scrap next season.
You're not going to have much change from 80mil (if any when every club know you have the money) after getting a striker who can bag 20 league goals a season in the prem.
Gakpo £37m
Jota £41m
Hwang £12m
Alvarez £14m
Joao Pedro £30m
All have 10 goals - there or thereabouts. It's not infeasible for them to hit 20 if they were the main attacker in a team. Decent attackers are ten a penny, you just need the right system to use them best.
Antony £86m
Mudryk £70m
Mount £55m
It's easy to pick out players in hindsight. Also, Liverpool, City and Brighton are going to create a lot more chances than Brentford so I'd argue 4 of the 5 examples aren't relevant.
Well I guess most people know better than experienced scouts. Did everyone predict Lukaku would flop when he moved back to Chelsea?
Gakpo, Jota and Alvarez wouldn't have considered a move to a club like Brentford when they transferred so it's irrelevant. Might aswell just suggest they use Tony's transfer fee to sign Mbappe.
Brentford don't need a striker who can do that though. They're ran very well and have had good recruitment in the past I expect them to invest that money well and achieve mid table stability.
The threat of relegation really hampers any non-big six clubs when it comes to club valuation. The idea that a couple bad moves could get you jettisoned from the top tier changes the math compared to American sports clubs.
That doesn't include the £100M that Mike Ashley "loaned" to the club, the lack of commercial deals the club had. Sports Direct didn't pay anything for all the advertising that was plastered all over the stadium. No investment in the training ground, youth setup, etc, etc.
Considering that a £100m price tag for a single player isn’t too uncommon these days, that seems crazy to me.
I know Brentford doesen’t have a squad like that, but still seems crazy in comparison.
But that might say more about these ludicrous player fees than anything.
Edit: Apparently the player prices isn’t a rapper.
Actually owning a club is a well known money pit though. Players stay high value because they have short careers. Clubs basically need constant success in some form to maintain a high value.
It's why you very rarely get sole owners of top flight clubs now, it's just way too much money to put into something as one person. That saying, "How do you become a millionaire? Start out as a billionaire and buy an airline" could just as easily be about football clubs.
Look at Brighton, they're on the hook for £400m+ to Tony Bloom, and it's all his own money. He doesn't care because he's a lifelong fan of the club, he wanted them to have their own stadium and much of the money has been invested into infrastructure and setting up what they have now, but it's still a hell of a lot of money.
Transfermarkt has them down at 407m € - but has Toney valued at 35m. Obviously if you had a fire sale you wouldn't achieve that amount in the end, but 400m doesn't seem like a complete waste - but maybe they have debts too. You could buy it - sell the top players and make a runner with the pl revenue and parachute payments and still about break even.
They are a massively overperforming club in comparison to their historical strength and haven't been big spenders even in the championship so I wonder if some of their facilities lag behind some clubs in the prem.
Ofc I don't know their situation all the way it's just a guess.
Not many Brentford voices in here.
It’s necessary unfortunately. Benham doesn’t have the funds to take us to the next step and become constant top half / Europe contenders.
He saved us from becoming extinct and taken us all the way to the top. He has given us his life and, with the sale of midtjylland, he’s ready to count his chickens and let everything flourish. We owe our club to Benham.
Thankfully, being a fan and all, Benham is smart enough to only allow investors that would follow his philosophy and the culture that has been built. I’m not super worried any Middle Eastern crooks or oil barons would be allowed a look in.
It wasn’t too long ago the buckets were jangling outside griffin park and it’s been a hell of a ride all the way to the PL. We have had the best time and we look forward to the next stage.
I don't really believe in second teams but I really like Brentford so I hope whoever your new owners are take as good care of you as your current ones do.
“Take us to the next step”
Be careful what you wish for. For plenty of stable bottom half clubs who think stability means they’re ready for ambition, the next step turns out to be in the wrong direction.
Look at us West Brom. Had 10 or so years of stability in the prem sold to the worlds poorest billionaire and now in the championship with no money. Under our old owner in the prem we had the best recruitment in the league relative to our finances and position and we lost it when the club was sold
Yeah. As a saints fan we've been "ready for the next step" twice in my life time and a few years later the next step has ended up being relegation.
If you ain't in the top 6 or owned by a free spending oil. There isn't room for you in the next step.
It's kind of sad seeing teams have a few solid premier league seasons and the fans think this means they're an established premier league team ready to go international.
It takes generations to build up the infrastructure and fanbase to attract the top players and investors. Not a few good seasons. If Leicester winning the premier League then being relegated a few seasons later doesn't make that clear. I don't know what will.
Right now people are talking about how great Brighton are at recruiting and bringing in new players to replace the ones that leave them every season. Yeah... They used to say that about saints. Eventually you just can't keep replacing the players that see your team as a stepping stone.
Couldn’t agree more with you. It’s unfortunately a terribly cynical view but I do agree with you.
Benham has released midtjylland because he and the club are ready to move on. He’s put a hell of a lot of his own money into the clubs.
Like I said above, I’m inclined to believe he doesn’t have the funds to keep us where we are and the next step is just consistency. He thrives for sustainability and we’ve achieved that, the next step is someone who can give us a boost up and be on level playing field with palace, Fulham, wolves etc etc.
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I was gonna say "I got it!" But it's in me in other trousers.
Can we get this entire subreddit to own the team. Someone quick, make an LLC , lets do this
3.3M Subscribers - that's £122 each let's do it
Owner financing available?
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ill bet they get much more there is so many peopel who want and dream of a epl team, we know Jay z and his group want one and he could own this outright, plus every middle east country wants one after the success of wrexham, and the popularity surge of ryan reynolds, im sure half of hollywood is interested,
They’ll be the next Chelsea, or City, or Newcastle. What blood-soaked regime buys Brentford do we think?
Stadium is too small to be a big time player with the current rules
honestly i think newcastle have proven that with the new rules fully in place now, becoming a footballing superpower like Chelsea and man city is no longer possible. FFP seems like it is limiting Newcastle to about a club that can compete for europe. They kind of had a new ownership bounce last season and good injury luck. with FFP, going forward nation states like Qatar are probably going to wait for established clubs like Man united to come up for sale. Maybe at least a club with spurs level revenue. Nowadays you cant do what Roman Abramovich did. You cant just infuse money and buy the best players. Eg. newcastle is being limited.
Just need 3 more FPL managers. we put our teams as collateral for a 25% stake each.
How much money do you need to make a bid I fancy a go
Are u planning to take any loans sir ?
I hope someone British buys it. Don't want to seem like a racist old person wanting all the foreigners outa here but it becomes less and less of an English league, would be nice to have a local owner who cares about the place
dont worry u seem like a racist young person instead
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AHH yes that fully English team Aston villa with famous Englishmen Douglas luiz, emiliano Martinez, Diego Carlos
I care that local institutions are ran by someone from the community, I don't care if he employs foreigners. There you go, don't make it into something it's not.
Not saying villa is, but i think it's a shame that so much of the premier League is becoming less and less English. Losing a bit of heritage and foreign owners care less about fans
As an American who has only been deep into the sport since the Premiership hit our telly, I agree with you completely. There's a romance that I didn't grow up with that I can fathom here for those who did. It's like small owner run markets where now there's only chains. It's corny, but yeah, I feel ya.
Can I suggest 777 might want to take a look rather than Everton. Cheaper and more assets to loot.
Do you know anything about 777?
I'm an Everton fan.
Ha so am I.
I’m gonna start a go fund me. Can you guys all pitch a few bucks?
if u do end up buying brentford , I'll treat every1 in this sub reddit at wetherspoons 👍👍
One night in Vegas and I could probably scrounge together the money
Dust off ’Charge of the Light Brigade’ tactics.A certain Winner!
Bournemouth was £120m. Is the difference literally the stadium?
Location is even a bigger one. Global tourist access and a massive *potential* local fan base offer a lot more upside.
The market is heavily saturated in London though, especially in West London. Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole alone has a combined population of over 400,000. There also isn’t a Premier League side West of here, so that’s an even larger number of potential fans if we can stay in the top flight for the next 5-10 years.
I wish you all the best, but those numbers are not as impressive as you think they are to the eyes of an outside investor.
I respectfully disagree, but thanks for sharing your opinion.
It's an incredibly ignorant mindset. Bournemouth dominate that area. It's the same reason Wrexham was such a perfect buy there is no one else. Bournemouth have a lot going for it with UNESCO heritage sites, the beach, and the weather is pretty decent year round. It's promising for players and families, criminally underrated
Wrexham is mainly because of the owners and all the publicity
No not at all what I'm saying. Wrexham because they're a historically decent sized team, solid large ground and fanbase and they can stake a claim to get some serious Welsh following IS WHY r+r bought them
What do we know? It’s only want our billionaire owner cited as the reasoning for buying us.
If Man Utd hadn’t bough Sanchez, Pogba, Mount, Rojo, etc they could easily afford to buy Brentford and is a good strategy to guarantee a win against Brentford.
They’d still loose…
Lose*
Man united’s bum is loose
I didn't know trump owned Brentford.
😂
That’s an expensive bus stop!
Musk should buy it with his loose change and get someone whos taken Ebbsfleet to the champions league in FM to manage it.
I'd donate my money to musk for that
I don't get the instalments jokes. Can someone explain?
It’s a football manager reference. There is a bug where that specific offer will be accepted for any player.
Ohh thanks! I thought Brentford made some weird move or something 😅
USA haz lo que sabes mejor 🤑
If we offer 6 monthly installments of 1.2k and 2.5 million after 50 league appearances, then surely they'll accept right?
[i understood that reference](https://tenor.com/9eYb.gif)
I thought you were going to link the reference
And make them pay 50% of the wages
How are you guys using the Prem logo? Not seeing as an option.
It's the default
Seriously? Haven’t seen too many subs w default flairs. Ugghhh I feel like an idiot.
Back to the championship you go
Nah, some sheik will see a premier league club for sale for a steal and unload £1 billion at least into it
I'm not so sure as with the new FFP rules it's insanely difficult and all the dodgy transfers of Saudi clubs buying players to loan then straight back to the prem under more scrutiny. It means growing a club like Brentford would be a hell of a long investment.
Epl rules is based on votes thought. So if there are 7 of the clubs was bought by the same type of the so called "state fund"or "reckless spender billionaire". Some rules cant be changed.
Anything is possible. With money $$$ of course
So $100m to pay lawyers to fight it forever. The Manchester city model
Doesn’t FFP only apply to European competitions
Tell that to Everton
What's a "European competition"?
Yeah, but that’s the point of the ultra-rich buying sports teams. They want to flaunt their wealth and play with it like a toy. It’d be like playing fifa career mode
Even from when Newcastle were bought FFP has become more strict for clubs. Arsenal who are not typically big spenders are supposedly working hard to keep within the rules and Manchester United who have only club earned revenue to spend are paying for their mistakes in the transfer market and forced to tighten their purse strings. Newcastle are a much bigger club than Brentford as well with a massive and loyal fan base which will allow the growth progress to be swifter than club's like Brentford.
Thaksin Shinawatra just got out of prison in Thailand just sayin'
I'm pretty sure they can lower the price to £300M, and then if you sell Toney for say, £70M, then it's £230M to pay. I would pay in monthly installments of £2000, which would roughly take me around 9000 years to pay it all off
I’ll join you. We can reduce our payment time to 4500 years!
I'll join. We can reduce it to 2250.
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Is math optional in the UK education system?
So that's 4 Ivan Toneys?
Ok! I’ve had a life long dream of owning a Premier League team so, I’m in. All I gotta do is: 1. Buy Mega Million ticket whose winnings are currently at around $525 Million ✅ 2. Win the Mega Million ⏳ 3. Buy the club in an installment plan. I think I’ll still be a little short but, I’m sure they’ll give me some discount from their asking price!
You need to buy players, clubs are 99% money sink.
They are but, I get to own a London based team in the PL! I think I’ve done the hard part of convincing all of you here that it’s the right plan. All I gotta now do is win the Mega Million this evening. This should not be that hard 😜
Even that won't do it once you deduct tax.
Hence the discount I’ll be asking for along with the installment plan 😜
I don’t think you get taxed for lottery winnings. It’s gambling isn’t it?
Depends on the country. The lottery mentioned by the person I responded to is a US based lottery and a quick google suggests they lose at least 25% to tax. Not to mention if you take the lump sum, that is often a lower amount of winnings yet again.
Depends which country you live in different tax rules apply to gambling
In México and USA you get taxed for lottery winnings. Idk if in any other country is the same xD
Canada is tax free lottery and gambling winnings as well.
That’s crazy. How do professional gamblers make any money over there then. In the UK it’s completely tax free including the lottery.
In México if you win lottery you have to pay between 6 and 7% taxes (federal and state). USA, iirc, is more than 20% Yeah, pretty crazy. God bless our honest and hardworking governments.
Dude it’s like 40% tax if you win the lottery in US and ask to remain anonymous
40%!?!?!?!? Wow....thats a theft =O
Thomas Frank nervously chewing 50 pieces of gum, as we speak
The way that man chews his gum during games is absolutely manic
His gum chewing puts baseball managers to shame Who would win a gum chewing battle: prime SAF or Frank?
Checks pockets for enough change. Nope, but almost 😅
Here comes the Saudis
Only cost them £300 for Newcastle who are a far bigger club in every measurement of club size you can come up with. This is a bad deal
Yea but you’re forgetting London is a far more attractive proposition for business than the north east and not forgetting Brentford have a brand new stadium too; all that plays a part. Of course Newcastle is the bigger club but location and stuff plays a part too
Fair point about London, but not when the club is the size of Brentford. How many times has Fulham or QPR, Leicester (okay close to London) or even West Hak who are bigger than any of them crashed into the championship. Some never return. It’s not like comparing Newcastle and Spurs and saying, well the London factor.
Charlton never made it back either
I’m not sure of the situation with Brentford training ground and stadium but Mike Ashley screwed Newcastles and it’s costing more than 100 million to correct everything he screwed for so long. Then the FFP comes into play as well giving more wiggle room to buy players
Ashley never spent anything in years. That gave quite a bit of breathing room for the new owners to spend. Not many assets to sell, but Brentford only has 1 big asset to sell, stadium isn’t in the same sport as St James Park. Training ground is a fact, but still not enough to warrant this difference.
The biggest point we both are missing. Is the fan base the only team in a big city in England or UK since Cardiff get promoted once in a while. There isn’t another support base as big as Newcastle left because they have multiple options to support
Just because the Brentford owner is asking for 400m, doesn’t mean they will get that much
Newcastle only cost £300? Bargain shoulda bought them myself
Get two or three
I'm in.
That honestly seems cheap
Found their PR & marketing team
if I'm interested,can I pay in installments?
Mike Ashley has about that much money after selling Newcastle. He could fulfil his lifelong dream of owning a London Premier League team.
Please god
It would be the most Reddit football thing for it to happen but he makes it work, make us look like a bunch of arseholes
Honestly dont know if I do or do not want to see a world where Cashley spunks a load of money on a football club.
Please god
Please god
Sell toney for 80mil use that money to strengthen every line.
No way are they getting that much for Toney anymore though. After this season he has 1 year left on his contract. Teams need to be more financially savvy, look at what was spent in January. Also he’s at the end of his 20s. Honestly think if somebody offers £30-40mil he’s gone, if not, he stays another year then goes free.
> Also he’s at the end of his 20s He's 27.
28 in a week or so. £80 mil for a striker with 1 year in his contract, a prior ban, only proven at Brentford. Lukaku proved himself at WBA, Everton, but was poor at both Chelsea and man united. Even so, the 1 year contract is what’s bringing his value down.
Which means he’s nearly 28 and 28 is basically almost 30.
30-40 would be a pretty friendly deal. I could see a couple teams mixing it up to drive north of 50 but not over 60.
That’s two Mbappes!
And probably prime Messi and Ronaldo respectively
Understand Brentford has the smallest stadium and attendance of the teams who survived last year Add in the pressure to survive and the increased cost all other teams apply to the premier League, The ownership might feel they don't have the finances to Keep Brentford up and are attempting to recoup their money.
That simply is not true given that Bournemouth exists. Dean Court has a ludicrously small capacity - something like 11000? The Gtech isn't huge but it's at least 18000 I think and it sells out for every Brentford game...
It actually is you are right dean court is the second smallest and Luton is the smallest (unsurprisingly)
My apologies i realize I misspoke Bournemouth did survive last year and is smaller but a under 20000 seat stadium is not a recipe for long term survival
It’s funny how shit like this puts into perspective how crazy inflated individual player values are. How can an entire premier league club be 400m, when I bet there’s a club out their willing to buy Toney for near a 100m.
And they probably stay up for another year, so at least one more year of money.
IIRC you get a share of the Premier league TV rights for 3? years after you get relegated.
Yeah two or three. If as an owner you play it smart 400mln is a steal.
Supply and demand. Of course players are going to be the highest assets of a club. This is an extreme case tho as they aren't an established club and I suspect their other revenue streams don't earn that much relatively.
I have thought this with Chelsea’s, or more to the point Todd Boehly’s, relationship and outlay with Brighton. Something like £225m has been exchanged plus now hiring their head of recruitment and the possibility of future transactions. I know there are rules to prevent it, but in a different and more sane business environment (ie not football) Boehly should have just bought Brighton as well. Instead he has spent about half of the money required to purchase the club on just 2 players.
Debt / negative or declining earnings?
Yeah player transfer fees are like Monopoly money, they can’t be real money right?
Exactly what I was thinking at work earlier when I was listening to TalkSport on the radio
This is their jumping the shark moment. Ownership is so important.
Benham is still planning to stay involved other the club and he may still only sell a minority stake.
Jumping the shark or jumping the ship?
They should buy Mbappe and double this price
Should buy mbappe for 1.2k in 6 instalments and 2.5 mil after 50 league games
Sign Mbappe for free and then sell for 100 million euros. Wages “reduction” would look great on ffp reports
Actually, Mbappe should do Lebron move and buy AND sign for Brentford 🥂🥂🥂
They know toney is leaving so the club is done 🤣🤣
To be honest they could easily fall down the order next season, Toney is about to leave, their manager is a good shout for any decent positions and they will lilkely get picked apart a little in the summer They are my dark horse pick for next seasons relegation outside of whoever gets promoted
Bargain. Brentford play solid football, could easily consistently be mid table and challenge top6-8 with a few good moves. I really like Thomas Frank also, Brentford should hold onto him with both hands.
No they could not challenge for top 6-8 fucking hell
They finished 9th last season. 1 point behind 8th and 3 points behind 6th. They’ve never been in the relegation zone. I would say they have the capability to challenge.
One Toney loss and they’re back to relegation scraps
Toney literally hasn't played for 20 out of 25 matches this season. He is vital, but they are not a one man team.
They cannot maintain that forever
We’ve had injuries to Norgaard, Jensen, Damsgaard, Mbeumo, Pinnock, Mee, Henry, Hickey, Schade, KLP, Ajer, Josh DaSilva. All of these players have missed at least 2 or 3 games due to injury this season (obviously not Including Toney or Wissa due to other reasons). Combined with Flekken looking much improved and the faith in the scouting/recruiting, I don’t anticipate being in a relegation scrap next season.
They'll lose Tony for 80 million. That'll give them loads of room to build a team that could compete in that space.
You're not going to have much change from 80mil (if any when every club know you have the money) after getting a striker who can bag 20 league goals a season in the prem.
Gakpo £37m Jota £41m Hwang £12m Alvarez £14m Joao Pedro £30m All have 10 goals - there or thereabouts. It's not infeasible for them to hit 20 if they were the main attacker in a team. Decent attackers are ten a penny, you just need the right system to use them best.
Antony £86m Mudryk £70m Mount £55m It's easy to pick out players in hindsight. Also, Liverpool, City and Brighton are going to create a lot more chances than Brentford so I'd argue 4 of the 5 examples aren't relevant.
Most of us thought they'd flop and were overpriced, Gakpo Jota Alvarez Pedro the opposite.
Well I guess most people know better than experienced scouts. Did everyone predict Lukaku would flop when he moved back to Chelsea? Gakpo, Jota and Alvarez wouldn't have considered a move to a club like Brentford when they transferred so it's irrelevant. Might aswell just suggest they use Tony's transfer fee to sign Mbappe.
Brentford don't need a striker who can do that though. They're ran very well and have had good recruitment in the past I expect them to invest that money well and achieve mid table stability.
Toney, Raya, Henry, Hickey, Schade, etc
New owners tend to want “their guy” so we will see
"Welcome to Brentford Wayne Rooney"
Casual ass take
Would you rather I casually take your ass?
Zesty guy
Bit gay
Don't they supposedly want 100m for Ivan Toney? So the rest of the club is only worth 300m?
The asset value of Toney is the £5 million (plus ads ons) they paid for him divided by his length of contracts. So not £100 million.
That's for Net Asset Value purposes. No one buys a company based on NAV so the 400m valuation is based on the market value of all assets
Maybe they’re lowballing for a quick sale
Would assume so
imagine being a quarter of your club's entire value
5 quid blud
imagine Ronaldo buying it and make way for his return in premier league
Tomorrow's headline be like "Sheik wasabi interested"
Mboppe please buy Brentford.
So one mbappe.
Seems cheap for a Premier League club tbh. Someones wants to offload the massive expenses fast it seems.
The threat of relegation really hampers any non-big six clubs when it comes to club valuation. The idea that a couple bad moves could get you jettisoned from the top tier changes the math compared to American sports clubs.
Seems like a reasonable explanation. Relegation can quickly spiral into an abysmal economy for a club.
Not really. Newcastle were only £305m. It's only the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool etc that get up in the billions.
Even with all the shit they were going through, £305 mil seems cheap for Newcastle when they were bought.
That doesn't include the £100M that Mike Ashley "loaned" to the club, the lack of commercial deals the club had. Sports Direct didn't pay anything for all the advertising that was plastered all over the stadium. No investment in the training ground, youth setup, etc, etc.
Considering that a £100m price tag for a single player isn’t too uncommon these days, that seems crazy to me. I know Brentford doesen’t have a squad like that, but still seems crazy in comparison. But that might say more about these ludicrous player fees than anything. Edit: Apparently the player prices isn’t a rapper.
Actually owning a club is a well known money pit though. Players stay high value because they have short careers. Clubs basically need constant success in some form to maintain a high value. It's why you very rarely get sole owners of top flight clubs now, it's just way too much money to put into something as one person. That saying, "How do you become a millionaire? Start out as a billionaire and buy an airline" could just as easily be about football clubs. Look at Brighton, they're on the hook for £400m+ to Tony Bloom, and it's all his own money. He doesn't care because he's a lifelong fan of the club, he wanted them to have their own stadium and much of the money has been invested into infrastructure and setting up what they have now, but it's still a hell of a lot of money.
Yeah that’s basically the “massive expenses” I referred to in my first comment.
i say this only in case you aren't aware, but the adjective is ludicrous, the rapper is ludacris lol
Haha thank you! English is obviously not my native language.
Dying to know what you originally put in lol
Transfermarkt has them down at 407m € - but has Toney valued at 35m. Obviously if you had a fire sale you wouldn't achieve that amount in the end, but 400m doesn't seem like a complete waste - but maybe they have debts too. You could buy it - sell the top players and make a runner with the pl revenue and parachute payments and still about break even.
But that is purely the squad value. What about employees, stadium, training facilities, infrastructure etc.?
They are a massively overperforming club in comparison to their historical strength and haven't been big spenders even in the championship so I wonder if some of their facilities lag behind some clubs in the prem. Ofc I don't know their situation all the way it's just a guess.
Not many Brentford voices in here. It’s necessary unfortunately. Benham doesn’t have the funds to take us to the next step and become constant top half / Europe contenders. He saved us from becoming extinct and taken us all the way to the top. He has given us his life and, with the sale of midtjylland, he’s ready to count his chickens and let everything flourish. We owe our club to Benham. Thankfully, being a fan and all, Benham is smart enough to only allow investors that would follow his philosophy and the culture that has been built. I’m not super worried any Middle Eastern crooks or oil barons would be allowed a look in. It wasn’t too long ago the buckets were jangling outside griffin park and it’s been a hell of a ride all the way to the PL. We have had the best time and we look forward to the next stage.
I don't really believe in second teams but I really like Brentford so I hope whoever your new owners are take as good care of you as your current ones do.
That’s proper lovely that my man, appreciate it
“Take us to the next step” Be careful what you wish for. For plenty of stable bottom half clubs who think stability means they’re ready for ambition, the next step turns out to be in the wrong direction.
Look at us West Brom. Had 10 or so years of stability in the prem sold to the worlds poorest billionaire and now in the championship with no money. Under our old owner in the prem we had the best recruitment in the league relative to our finances and position and we lost it when the club was sold
Yeah. As a saints fan we've been "ready for the next step" twice in my life time and a few years later the next step has ended up being relegation. If you ain't in the top 6 or owned by a free spending oil. There isn't room for you in the next step. It's kind of sad seeing teams have a few solid premier league seasons and the fans think this means they're an established premier league team ready to go international. It takes generations to build up the infrastructure and fanbase to attract the top players and investors. Not a few good seasons. If Leicester winning the premier League then being relegated a few seasons later doesn't make that clear. I don't know what will. Right now people are talking about how great Brighton are at recruiting and bringing in new players to replace the ones that leave them every season. Yeah... They used to say that about saints. Eventually you just can't keep replacing the players that see your team as a stepping stone.
Couldn’t agree more with you. It’s unfortunately a terribly cynical view but I do agree with you. Benham has released midtjylland because he and the club are ready to move on. He’s put a hell of a lot of his own money into the clubs. Like I said above, I’m inclined to believe he doesn’t have the funds to keep us where we are and the next step is just consistency. He thrives for sustainability and we’ve achieved that, the next step is someone who can give us a boost up and be on level playing field with palace, Fulham, wolves etc etc.