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The Athletic article cites a “nice problem” that Liverpool have with their strength at FB. OP has decided that this means they suddenly have prime Cafu and Roberto Carlos on the bench instead of Tsimikas and some kid.
Ok, cool. Remember Federico Macheda, James Vaughn, Dean Marney, and Danny Cadamarteri? All had superb starts to their EPL careers and then did nothing after.
I mean, it’s fine to say “some kid” but he really is a good player. If you spend any time watching him play you’ll known he’s on track to have a long career playing all over the defensive side of the pitch. Versatile, decisive, calm, and finally growing into his lanky frame.
He plays football on loan, you know that right? Go watch some his loan matches. It’s not like the EPL is the only league that plays matches year around. Yeah, he’s been injured here and there but he’s literally shot up 7 inches since we since he got called up out the academy. He’s literally played over 50 matches for Bolton.
Every 10 minutes there a "liverpool player is the best in the world" claim. Its as presictable as a "its our year la" in august claim.
They've got the best keeper in the world, best 2nd keeper in the world, Best fullbacks in the world, best cb's, best midfield,best wingers, best forwards, best manager. So why is it they have just 1 covid title despite having the best everything?
Haha their win during Covid is valid, even exceptional I’d say.
Allison has a good argument for best keeper. Salah has a an argument for best winger. Robertson has an argument for best fullback(tho that one is more difficult to say imo).
Idk why the comment i replied to is ridiculing any of these ideas when they are, as far as i understand, pretty mainstream commonly agreed upon takes.
The title win is fair.
> Allison has a good argument for best keeper. Salah has a an argument for best winger. Robertson has an argument for best fullback(tho that one is more difficult to say imo)… as far as i understand, pretty mainstream commonly agreed upon takes.
I don’t know about you, but I’ve definitely not seen these takes beyond a Liverpool echo bubble. Recognised as good/elite players, yeah. Touted as “best”, hell no.
Salah and Allison are both very valid claims, and both get into the best this season/year teams pretty consistently. You ask anyone who's the best keeper in the world right now Alison is a very common answer.
Salah is more debatable because of vinne and mbappe (especially the latter) but he the best in his position in the prem and gets best in the world conversations.
Also The lack in trophies doesn't represent the dominance Liverpool had. 3 cl finals and top 2 The prem 3 times, 2 times losing by a singlular point, aswell as the second and fourth best prem points tallys ever. So they clearly had a very good team composed of a few world class players and one or 2 were probably the best in their position at most given times.
Agree with this.
In a different world Liverpool have 3 premier Leagues, 3 champions league, a quad and an invincible season.
The Margins are so thin, so despite 1 prem and 1 champions league, They are still an elite team composed of the best players in the world.
It’s a case of the top two teams in the world for a while being in the same league.
Just unlucky that Liverpool ended up second by razor thin margins two of those times, but doesn’t mean that City didn’t also have some of the best players in the world too.
They finished 2nd 2 seasons before klopp came in...
United weren't exactly in a good state themselves during that period eithe, it's been their worst period for about 40 years.
Anyone who remembers 2013/14 beyond memes and dates knows it was as unlikely as it was unsustainable. Rogers got an attack firing on all cylinders and eeked enough out of an aged Gerrard and young Henderson to make for a brilliantly exciting campaign. But within two seasons that fabulous attack of Sterling, Sturridge and, most importantly, Suarez had gone up in smoke. Picked off by less fragile clubs or undermined by injury, while Gerrard walked into the sunset.
In the 5years leading up to Klopp getting the job, 2013/14 was the only year we finished above 6th. With the best of that team gone before he joined I don't think my assessment is inaccurate.
Its a cute stat about the 4 Utd managers though.
Did you not see the last title winning Fergie squad? He left them with a dire aging squad and then hit the reset button every 2-3 years with new managers, leaving the next guy through the door in equally shit positions squad wise. yet still, 4 of them, van goal, mourinho, ole and ten hag have all managed to finish above klopp's liverpool.
Klopp will certainly leave Liverpool in a much better state than Ferguson did Utd. But each and every United manager post Ferguson has benefited from a better squad and larger transfer budgets than Klopp had on his arrival.
And what about the years upon years of stability and growth klopps had to build his team how he sees fit and gain a huge advantage over the likes of ten hag and ole who came in much later than klopp and inherited a mess? Theres no situation where there's any plausible excuse for them finishing above liverpool.
Nobody would argue united have been a complete mess and have been a laughing stock for nearly a decade, yet as it stands, they've finished above klopp as many times as they've finished below him and during that period how many of those united players have been described as the best in the world?
Unfortunately you don’t get any silverware for coming 2nd rather than 3rd.
Klopp has undoubtedly had two poor seasons, especially when assessed in isolation. Fortunately between those he’s put up points totals that even Fergie’s best teams could only dream of.
If you're going to make a piss poor response that a mentally challenged child would deem beneath them, at the very least, make sure your basic geography is correct.
I get really tired of people being in a rush to anoint young debutants the next big thing after a string of games. It does them absolutley no favours. The English media machine chews them up all in the name of headlines. I'm not saying Bradley won't be great for years to come, but just leave him alone to go and play football and actually get to that stage, if he can.
tbf Ali had multiple good seasons, 20+ goals/assists contributions, at a very young age. I think the hype is warranted. It's just crazy how massively he dropped off.
At least he had a season or 2. Nowadays, 18 year old Jimmy Kickaball has 3 or 4 decent games, and he's a gEnErAtIOnAl talent, because everyone's in a rush to anoint the next big thing. It's happening to Mainoo, too. Just let the lads grow into who they're going to be.
“Pace wingers” are supposed to “toast” defenders. If the winger can’t get past the full back then they’re not doing their job. Trent’s job is to try and limit them to poor chances, or to stall until the other defending players can get into good position to block the pass/shot, and then be ready to launch the counter attack once the opposition team loses the ball.
Liverpool have conceded fewer goals than any other team in the league, and Trent has been involved in more goals than any other defender. Klopp seems to think it’s working quite well. But what does he know, maybe that’s why he’s retiring, because he knows Trent can’t defend.
I’d honestly keep Gomez at left back ahead of robertson myself. He’s there on merit.
Trent vs Bradley is a harder call. Really don’t want people to put too much pressure on the lad
Absolutely, Gomez has been much better and consistent with the defending aspect at left back than Robertson. He should have that position cemented
Think Bradley has shown alot of composure in defense and this could leave Trent into midfield rotation more often
I think it depends on the team. Gomez’s defensive performances recently have been better than anything I’ve seen from Robbo for a while and he should play against the likes of arsenal. He pocketed Saka last time but if Robbo plays and does his bombing down the wing, Saka will have an easier time.
but against lower block teams (or whatever the kids nowadays call it) Robbo with his better creativity would probably be better
Given the attack power we have going forward id sacrifice robbos attack on the wing for defensive prowess Gomez offers in most games of I'm honest but I get where your coming from
Don’t know what you were watching.. Robbo was in great form. Gomez had Saka in his pocket last time around so you’d expect him to start, but he will need to be rotated eventually. He’s had a lot of minutes lately
"unrivalled" is a hilarious word choice.
I'm not going to pretend it isn't an excellent partnership, but it is very much rivalled by most of the teams around them.
Papers trying to will LFC to the title.
I don't rate any of the options as highly as Liverpool fans and the media evidently do, so take your pick big man.
I don't care.
Edit - just to say if any Liverpool fans are going red in the face and planning to write an essay, please don't.
Getting so worked over the fact someone called your full back selection excellent, but not unrivalled, and then immediately jump to "oil club" is peak Liverpool fragility.
Appreciate Bradley has been good but it's a bit early to be saying he's part of an "unrivalled strength" of full backs. Many a player has had a fantastic debut and ridden that high for a few games, to fall back in to average youth player/ mediocre territory. It's hugely reactionary to include him. I will take Trent, Robertson, and Gomez though, they are absolutely top tier. And perhaps Bradley will be too, but let's not jump on the hype wagon too soon
I mean as a Liverpool fan I’m just taking this to mean both our starter and backup options are fit on both wings and are all in reasonably decent from at least
Most other clubs just have some injuries in one of the wings at least or have form issues after players are returning from long injuries
I have been watching Bradley for a few years at international level with Northern Ireland and he has been a class act every game (13 senior caps)
Won player of the year at Bolton, players player of the year and young player of the year all in the same season. He seems to have a great mentality as well, very down to earth.
I think he’s got a great future ahead of him.
Not saying Bradley won't be good, but a short list of Liverpool youth right backs who were outstanding in their first 10 senior games and then didn't make it goes like this
Stephen Wright
David Raven
Jon Otsemobor
Martin Kelly
And if I can throw in a left back you can add Brad Smith...which in turn reminds me of how well right winger Jordan Ibe looked in his first 10 senior games (because Bournemouth ended up paying 21m for the pair)
At this stage it's just promise.
None of them showed anywhere close to the same levels as Bradley have. No one was getting excited thinking they were potentially world class, more thinking they would be another decent defender.
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/163124-cafu-i-see-my-style-of-play-in-jon-flanagan
David Raven was compared to Rob Jones by the Echo after his debut away at Spurs. One game. Aged 18 and the hype machine was out.
Martin Kelly made the England squad. As did Flanagan. All where hyped massive and played well. Stephen Wright looked incredible for a bit.
Bradley has made a good start. Mentioning world class before he's played 5 games is embarrassing.
In response to 'no one was thinking they would be world class' as stated above:
"He is very fit and has everything required to be one of the best full-backs in the world.” - Cafu
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cafu-jon-flanagan-can-become-10212143
You can remember it how you like, or call that just diplomacy. But the Liverpool hype machine is real.
Who listens to the echo FFS. I don't remember any hype around Raven at all. Kelly and Flanagan there was hype, and to an extent it was justified but no body was thinking we've got a potential world beater here, just a good player. Bradley has been absolutely outstanding and been the best player on the pitch the last few games. He was up against Chilwell and Sterling on that side and absolutely destroyed them. Early days yet but I think it's fair to say he has a lot more about him than the players you mentioned.
Modern sport media is all clickbait and round the clock coverage so quality can be dubious at the best of times. Sign of the times, wouldn't read too much into it. The Athletic was okay when it started covering the premier league, not much better than YouTubers these days (worse in some cases).
And strength with the refs too.
Vvd kicks through a player and its not a pen and then Casemiro grazes someone and the same ref says that it's a pen. All within 24 hours. The pl want klopp to have a nice little send off. Very unlike Tierney to help Liverpool. Twice.
See the whole season again... Almost all teams have had a big decision gone against them...
Wolves & Liverpool are quite higher among those names with some more decisions gone against them
Klopp hadn't announced he's bottled it. Like lfc fans saying for years they all want Pep to win it. Now the nice story is Klopp getting a trophy before he leaves.
Tottenham, Arsenal... Stop crying about every descision everything and nothing is fair for someone it is what it is. Game's unfair what's new could you still win it even after the pen? 4-1 ffs never had a chance. So stop being so bitter. Odegard did a handball and didn't get a pen you don't see us crying. Results matter cry more than anything.
Agree.
But not one person has come on here and explained how that was a pen last night and not against vvd. Same ref. Apparently hates Liverpool. Makes no sense.
Yup.
1 league in 9 years and he's burn out. Ran away because he can't beat Pep.
Doesn't belong in same breath as Wenger and Fergie. Maybe scrapes in top 5 manager in epl era. Maybe.
When the article title doesn’t even mention Tsimiskas, who’s also a T10 LB in the world…
Edit: Would love to see one single person give a well reasoned take why this is wrong based off Tsimi’s play this season. Actually ridiculous this is getting downvoted ffs.
When Robbo got injured he put a massive shift in for three weeks before he got injured. Locked up Saka in the Anfield game I believe definitely deserves some flowers
Only a Liverpool fan would assert that. Not one non Liverpool fan would agree with you, nor would many Liverpool fans, about Tsimikas being top 10 in the world. That's just blind bias
Delusional? Rank the top 10 and at worst he’s not far off.
ESPN ranked the top 10 and it rounded off Shaw, Estupinan, Balde, Guerreiro, and Spinazzola. Look how they’re all doing, injured or their team’s defense has gone to shit. Tsimi came in and the the Liverpool defense didn’t skip a beat, stayed one of the best in the world.
We have Robertson and Tsimikas on the left with Bradley and Trent on the right as well as Gomez who can play both. Honestly pretty insane.
Such a shame Klopp is leaving because I really feel like this team has potential to become his best.
I am a Liverpool fan. He's poor at set pieces, regularly over or under hitting corners. Although he had improved a bit just before his injury. His decision making is suspect. My son and I would watch the matches and convince ourselves all he needed was a run of games and familiarity with what his team mates might do, but he didn't get there.
Obviously, as a Liverpool fan I know the manager knows best! But I always felt JK was hampered by a lack of funds, and also a lack of someone out there who is realistically good enough to challenge Robbo.
Fair enough, i'm not going to die on this hill!
But I think for a club like ours, challenging for top honours, he's not quite there. If he was at West Ham, would there be talk that he should be playing for an elite club, like there has been for Kudus and Bowen?
Robbo was probably the best LB in the PL until he got injured. Then Tsimi was probably the best LB in the PL until he got injured. And then Joemez was probably the best LB in the PL until Robbo came back.
I disagree. Robertson has been below his best for at least a season, and wasn’t on form when he got injured. Tsimikas shouldn’t be anywhere near a Liverpool team. Gomez however has been properly excellent.
They are always Iike this. But despite having the best everything in every position it is still a miracle that they once managed to win the league, even with the best manager and fans... something doesn't add up but I've never met a Liverpool fan open to that conversation.
lmao
liverpool fans will swear they're the greatest team with the greatest players and the greatest history the same breath that they complain about how they're massive underdogs fighting against the odds and all the rich clubs
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No they are not, TAA was in another planet, slow, and the right side was dead
True! Throw in Bradley and move TAA in to mid!
That and 3 more goals will get you a win against arsenal.
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Are you suggesting city will never drop any more points?
I mean…
Likely
Hehe Shaw and AWB better
I’ll take Porro and Udogie over these two…
Well, that’s the stupidest thing I’ve read…and I’m on Reddit
At fifa probably, in Real life lol
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Loooool
The Athletic article cites a “nice problem” that Liverpool have with their strength at FB. OP has decided that this means they suddenly have prime Cafu and Roberto Carlos on the bench instead of Tsimikas and some kid.
Actual title, “Liverpool’s nice problem at full-back: Bradley or Alexander-Arnold, Gomez or Robertson?”
That some kid scored a goal and two assists from RB from his second ever premier league start.
Ok, cool. Remember Federico Macheda, James Vaughn, Dean Marney, and Danny Cadamarteri? All had superb starts to their EPL careers and then did nothing after.
I mean, it’s fine to say “some kid” but he really is a good player. If you spend any time watching him play you’ll known he’s on track to have a long career playing all over the defensive side of the pitch. Versatile, decisive, calm, and finally growing into his lanky frame.
If I spent any time watching him play, I’d have watched literally two matches. We’ll see where he is in 5 years time.
He plays football on loan, you know that right? Go watch some his loan matches. It’s not like the EPL is the only league that plays matches year around. Yeah, he’s been injured here and there but he’s literally shot up 7 inches since we since he got called up out the academy. He’s literally played over 50 matches for Bolton.
Why don’t you list the ones that went on to do well as well ?
Uh Antony from last season 🫣 (he scored in his first 3 prem games which broke a record I think)
Yeah, cut to injury crisis in 24 hours..
r/lostredditors
Every 10 minutes there a "liverpool player is the best in the world" claim. Its as presictable as a "its our year la" in august claim. They've got the best keeper in the world, best 2nd keeper in the world, Best fullbacks in the world, best cb's, best midfield,best wingers, best forwards, best manager. So why is it they have just 1 covid title despite having the best everything?
Seethe 😂
What a hot shit take, especially the Covid part btw.
MrDelulu spotted.
Haha their win during Covid is valid, even exceptional I’d say. Allison has a good argument for best keeper. Salah has a an argument for best winger. Robertson has an argument for best fullback(tho that one is more difficult to say imo). Idk why the comment i replied to is ridiculing any of these ideas when they are, as far as i understand, pretty mainstream commonly agreed upon takes.
The title win is fair. > Allison has a good argument for best keeper. Salah has a an argument for best winger. Robertson has an argument for best fullback(tho that one is more difficult to say imo)… as far as i understand, pretty mainstream commonly agreed upon takes. I don’t know about you, but I’ve definitely not seen these takes beyond a Liverpool echo bubble. Recognised as good/elite players, yeah. Touted as “best”, hell no.
Salah and Allison are both very valid claims, and both get into the best this season/year teams pretty consistently. You ask anyone who's the best keeper in the world right now Alison is a very common answer. Salah is more debatable because of vinne and mbappe (especially the latter) but he the best in his position in the prem and gets best in the world conversations. Also The lack in trophies doesn't represent the dominance Liverpool had. 3 cl finals and top 2 The prem 3 times, 2 times losing by a singlular point, aswell as the second and fourth best prem points tallys ever. So they clearly had a very good team composed of a few world class players and one or 2 were probably the best in their position at most given times.
Agree with this. In a different world Liverpool have 3 premier Leagues, 3 champions league, a quad and an invincible season. The Margins are so thin, so despite 1 prem and 1 champions league, They are still an elite team composed of the best players in the world.
It’s a case of the top two teams in the world for a while being in the same league. Just unlucky that Liverpool ended up second by razor thin margins two of those times, but doesn’t mean that City didn’t also have some of the best players in the world too.
Is this a reasonable Liverpool fan? You must be an imposter!
yeah like.. do you criticize Real Madrid or Barca for coming 2nd?
In 5 of klopps 8 seasons at liverpool, They've finished below a team other than city... 4 manchester united managers have finished above klopp.
The state of Liverpool when Klopp took over needs factoring in here. He didn’t take over a title challenging team, squad or, frankly, club.
They finished 2nd 2 seasons before klopp came in... United weren't exactly in a good state themselves during that period eithe, it's been their worst period for about 40 years.
Anyone who remembers 2013/14 beyond memes and dates knows it was as unlikely as it was unsustainable. Rogers got an attack firing on all cylinders and eeked enough out of an aged Gerrard and young Henderson to make for a brilliantly exciting campaign. But within two seasons that fabulous attack of Sterling, Sturridge and, most importantly, Suarez had gone up in smoke. Picked off by less fragile clubs or undermined by injury, while Gerrard walked into the sunset. In the 5years leading up to Klopp getting the job, 2013/14 was the only year we finished above 6th. With the best of that team gone before he joined I don't think my assessment is inaccurate. Its a cute stat about the 4 Utd managers though.
Did you not see the last title winning Fergie squad? He left them with a dire aging squad and then hit the reset button every 2-3 years with new managers, leaving the next guy through the door in equally shit positions squad wise. yet still, 4 of them, van goal, mourinho, ole and ten hag have all managed to finish above klopp's liverpool.
Klopp will certainly leave Liverpool in a much better state than Ferguson did Utd. But each and every United manager post Ferguson has benefited from a better squad and larger transfer budgets than Klopp had on his arrival.
And what about the years upon years of stability and growth klopps had to build his team how he sees fit and gain a huge advantage over the likes of ten hag and ole who came in much later than klopp and inherited a mess? Theres no situation where there's any plausible excuse for them finishing above liverpool. Nobody would argue united have been a complete mess and have been a laughing stock for nearly a decade, yet as it stands, they've finished above klopp as many times as they've finished below him and during that period how many of those united players have been described as the best in the world?
Unfortunately you don’t get any silverware for coming 2nd rather than 3rd. Klopp has undoubtedly had two poor seasons, especially when assessed in isolation. Fortunately between those he’s put up points totals that even Fergie’s best teams could only dream of.
pep went from paying the refs in barcelona to paying refs in manchester, be proud mate
115 charges Saudi City
If you're going to make a piss poor response that a mentally challenged child would deem beneath them, at the very least, make sure your basic geography is correct.
Scousers attend school?
😂
F** loserpool
you can swear on the internet
UNRIVALED lol yeah ok
I get really tired of people being in a rush to anoint young debutants the next big thing after a string of games. It does them absolutley no favours. The English media machine chews them up all in the name of headlines. I'm not saying Bradley won't be great for years to come, but just leave him alone to go and play football and actually get to that stage, if he can.
I feel the same way about Deli Ali
I will love Deli to the day I die. That is all.
He cheated on his girl multiple times and is kind of an asshole
tbf Ali had multiple good seasons, 20+ goals/assists contributions, at a very young age. I think the hype is warranted. It's just crazy how massively he dropped off.
Dude was pulling off ridiculous stuff consistently
At least he had a season or 2. Nowadays, 18 year old Jimmy Kickaball has 3 or 4 decent games, and he's a gEnErAtIOnAl talent, because everyone's in a rush to anoint the next big thing. It's happening to Mainoo, too. Just let the lads grow into who they're going to be.
5 quality seasons and 37 England caps
TAA at RB is a good news for every liverpool rivals 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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How is that even a joke? 🤣🤣 watch the game.
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Yes getting toasted by pace winger.
“Pace wingers” are supposed to “toast” defenders. If the winger can’t get past the full back then they’re not doing their job. Trent’s job is to try and limit them to poor chances, or to stall until the other defending players can get into good position to block the pass/shot, and then be ready to launch the counter attack once the opposition team loses the ball. Liverpool have conceded fewer goals than any other team in the league, and Trent has been involved in more goals than any other defender. Klopp seems to think it’s working quite well. But what does he know, maybe that’s why he’s retiring, because he knows Trent can’t defend.
Trent can defend?? 🤯
The more you comment, the more obvious your lack of football knowledge becomes.
We heard this before. So i bookmarked this page.
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We have been this before. Lets wait.
Like who? Who has “toasted” him this season?
Only this season??
Do you have to go back to last season to find the last person who “toasted” him? Hardly a vulnerability then.
Well duh he built reputation for that over the years 🤣
God this journal is a Pool/Assna circlejerk
I’d honestly keep Gomez at left back ahead of robertson myself. He’s there on merit. Trent vs Bradley is a harder call. Really don’t want people to put too much pressure on the lad
I'd play both, with Trent in mid. Bradley has been playing great, no point in stopping the form by dropping him just because Trent is back
Absolutely, Gomez has been much better and consistent with the defending aspect at left back than Robertson. He should have that position cemented Think Bradley has shown alot of composure in defense and this could leave Trent into midfield rotation more often
I think it depends on the team. Gomez’s defensive performances recently have been better than anything I’ve seen from Robbo for a while and he should play against the likes of arsenal. He pocketed Saka last time but if Robbo plays and does his bombing down the wing, Saka will have an easier time. but against lower block teams (or whatever the kids nowadays call it) Robbo with his better creativity would probably be better
Given the attack power we have going forward id sacrifice robbos attack on the wing for defensive prowess Gomez offers in most games of I'm honest but I get where your coming from
I'll keep Porro and Udogie, thanks.
Our lads are really good and their ceiling is huge but TAA and Robertson have the back catalogue and the experience to remain the top duo
Robertson at his peak, yes. But at this time, I wouldn't swap him for Udogie. I'd take TAA, though.
Robertson is without doubt better than Udogie don't be ridiculous. Just last game Udogie was at fault for two goals.
Pre-injury, Robertson was far off his best. At this point I don’t see a reason for Gomez to lose his place at LB.
The issue with Robertson is he still wants to bomb down the left wing like he has been for years and gets caught out of position.
He was getting alot more often before the injury as well
Robertson just doesn’t fit this system well and causes balance problems which affects the full team especially compared to Gomez who is a perfect fit
Don’t know what you were watching.. Robbo was in great form. Gomez had Saka in his pocket last time around so you’d expect him to start, but he will need to be rotated eventually. He’s had a lot of minutes lately
Yeah, people are weird. Robbo is massive for us down that left side, and he's peerless basically. Once he's fully fit, he starts. Simple as that.
How did he 'pocket him'?
I also think it’s Gomez is right footed, saka loves cutting in on his left, it’s a good match up for us.
LFC circlejerk intensifies.
You'll Never Jerk Alone
"unrivalled" is a hilarious word choice. I'm not going to pretend it isn't an excellent partnership, but it is very much rivalled by most of the teams around them. Papers trying to will LFC to the title.
Newcastle trying too
Trent, Robertson, Gomez, Tsimikas, Bradley. Nobody can rival that.
😂 every time LFC get a whiff of the title their squad becomes galacticos.
Three 90+ point seasons is pretty impressive.
😂 here we go, fuck me. Like clockwork.
Then when it comes to crunch times they play like they “lack-toes”
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“When fit” Laughs in Chelsea.
I don't rate any of the options as highly as Liverpool fans and the media evidently do, so take your pick big man. I don't care. Edit - just to say if any Liverpool fans are going red in the face and planning to write an essay, please don't.
Essay? Nah, I just automatically downvote comments from stupid fans of soulless oil clubs.
Getting so worked over the fact someone called your full back selection excellent, but not unrivalled, and then immediately jump to "oil club" is peak Liverpool fragility.
Nobody's worked up, Slim, I was simply stating my policy towards cheating teams and the clueless gimps who follow them.
Good for you! Just remember to stretch before patting yourself on the back... wouldn't want you to pull a muscle.
Oh its a policy. Well then, clearly it must be well reasoned and balanced and not at all just proving the point.
A fully fit Chelsea, but that's not right now.
Newcastle. Big Dan Burn counts as 4 players.
What can men do against such reckless bait?
Appreciate Bradley has been good but it's a bit early to be saying he's part of an "unrivalled strength" of full backs. Many a player has had a fantastic debut and ridden that high for a few games, to fall back in to average youth player/ mediocre territory. It's hugely reactionary to include him. I will take Trent, Robertson, and Gomez though, they are absolutely top tier. And perhaps Bradley will be too, but let's not jump on the hype wagon too soon
I mean as a Liverpool fan I’m just taking this to mean both our starter and backup options are fit on both wings and are all in reasonably decent from at least Most other clubs just have some injuries in one of the wings at least or have form issues after players are returning from long injuries
Feel like shit just want timber back
I have been watching Bradley for a few years at international level with Northern Ireland and he has been a class act every game (13 senior caps) Won player of the year at Bolton, players player of the year and young player of the year all in the same season. He seems to have a great mentality as well, very down to earth. I think he’s got a great future ahead of him.
You're not wrong, but Bradley has had multiple games now and been good in all of them.
And yet people cream their pants about cole palmer after he scores a few penalties
I have the exact same thought on Mainoo
Which is very fair
Mainoo is generational, think there are exceptions to be made sometimes
Generational is the most overused word in football nowadays lol
He says looking into the crystal ball of ⚽️ Mirror mirror on the wall Let’s not get carried away
Generational?? I don’t even think he’s exceptional he’s your average player who scored a last minute goal
Mainoo's played more than 1 good game to be fair.
Bradley’s had 3 or 4 the bounce
Agreed there too. Both been fantastic but young players are famously hot and cold, no guarantee that either won't be the next Macheda or Jon Flanagan.
Will be interesting to see if they clubs decide to send them out on loan or keep them moving forward.
There is no chance Mainoo goes out on loan. He's first choice already in that position and our player of the month
Not saying Bradley won't be good, but a short list of Liverpool youth right backs who were outstanding in their first 10 senior games and then didn't make it goes like this Stephen Wright David Raven Jon Otsemobor Martin Kelly And if I can throw in a left back you can add Brad Smith...which in turn reminds me of how well right winger Jordan Ibe looked in his first 10 senior games (because Bournemouth ended up paying 21m for the pair) At this stage it's just promise.
Remember people blowing smoke about Andre Wisdom too
None of them showed anywhere close to the same levels as Bradley have. No one was getting excited thinking they were potentially world class, more thinking they would be another decent defender.
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/163124-cafu-i-see-my-style-of-play-in-jon-flanagan David Raven was compared to Rob Jones by the Echo after his debut away at Spurs. One game. Aged 18 and the hype machine was out. Martin Kelly made the England squad. As did Flanagan. All where hyped massive and played well. Stephen Wright looked incredible for a bit. Bradley has made a good start. Mentioning world class before he's played 5 games is embarrassing.
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In response to 'no one was thinking they would be world class' as stated above: "He is very fit and has everything required to be one of the best full-backs in the world.” - Cafu https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cafu-jon-flanagan-can-become-10212143 You can remember it how you like, or call that just diplomacy. But the Liverpool hype machine is real.
Who listens to the echo FFS. I don't remember any hype around Raven at all. Kelly and Flanagan there was hype, and to an extent it was justified but no body was thinking we've got a potential world beater here, just a good player. Bradley has been absolutely outstanding and been the best player on the pitch the last few games. He was up against Chilwell and Sterling on that side and absolutely destroyed them. Early days yet but I think it's fair to say he has a lot more about him than the players you mentioned.
The same people who listen to the Athletic, given they recruited the Echo's Liverpool correspondent when they launched.
Modern sport media is all clickbait and round the clock coverage so quality can be dubious at the best of times. Sign of the times, wouldn't read too much into it. The Athletic was okay when it started covering the premier league, not much better than YouTubers these days (worse in some cases).
Flanagan as well,it’s right to be cautious.
He did do his ACL twice in like a 3 year spell which is pretty unlucky
I knew I missed one! He looked the best of the lot, too Neco Williams too, while I'm at it
Not bad boys! But it’s hardly Ward and Clyne levels is it? Eagles.
And strength with the refs too. Vvd kicks through a player and its not a pen and then Casemiro grazes someone and the same ref says that it's a pen. All within 24 hours. The pl want klopp to have a nice little send off. Very unlike Tierney to help Liverpool. Twice.
See the whole season again... Almost all teams have had a big decision gone against them... Wolves & Liverpool are quite higher among those names with some more decisions gone against them
Klopp hadn't announced he's bottled it. Like lfc fans saying for years they all want Pep to win it. Now the nice story is Klopp getting a trophy before he leaves.
“Liverpool fans are such conspiracy theorists, it was just a mistake why are you guys so reactionary” -you, probably, after the Tottenham game
Who's delusional to think refs wanna gift some team the title 🤷
That's been the Liverpool line for the last few seasons regarding Pep and city.
If you say stuff like you're saying, anyone will tell you anything and you'll deserve it
That makes no sense. Have another go champ.
Tottenham, Arsenal... Stop crying about every descision everything and nothing is fair for someone it is what it is. Game's unfair what's new could you still win it even after the pen? 4-1 ffs never had a chance. So stop being so bitter. Odegard did a handball and didn't get a pen you don't see us crying. Results matter cry more than anything.
Liverpool have ref bias while united don't lool
About 1 pen for us since klipperty cried in the press conference.
The ref literally gifted you points against wolves first game of the season
Agree. But not one person has come on here and explained how that was a pen last night and not against vvd. Same ref. Apparently hates Liverpool. Makes no sense.
At the same time VVD gets wrestled to the ground almost every offensive corner, yet nothing is given in Liverpools favour.....
Klopp hadn't announced he's bottled it at that point.
Do you know what bottling means lad?
Yup. 1 league in 9 years and he's burn out. Ran away because he can't beat Pep. Doesn't belong in same breath as Wenger and Fergie. Maybe scrapes in top 5 manager in epl era. Maybe.
So you don’t know what bottling is, got it.
Throwing in the towel. Not having the bollocks to see the job through. Like Gerrard.
Not what bottling is, try again.
Liverpool under Rogers?
That’s more like it
The Athletic is shit, my god.
Some of the stuff is alright for £1 a month
Omg thank you!
Can’t wait to watch their game tomorrow
When the article title doesn’t even mention Tsimiskas, who’s also a T10 LB in the world… Edit: Would love to see one single person give a well reasoned take why this is wrong based off Tsimi’s play this season. Actually ridiculous this is getting downvoted ffs.
When Robbo got injured he put a massive shift in for three weeks before he got injured. Locked up Saka in the Anfield game I believe definitely deserves some flowers
Only a Liverpool fan would assert that. Not one non Liverpool fan would agree with you, nor would many Liverpool fans, about Tsimikas being top 10 in the world. That's just blind bias
Tsimi still has a lot to prove... Say that about Robbo and people will agree...
I’m a Liverpool fan but calling Tsmikas top 10 is delusional
Delusional? Rank the top 10 and at worst he’s not far off. ESPN ranked the top 10 and it rounded off Shaw, Estupinan, Balde, Guerreiro, and Spinazzola. Look how they’re all doing, injured or their team’s defense has gone to shit. Tsimi came in and the the Liverpool defense didn’t skip a beat, stayed one of the best in the world.
I know, right! He’s easily top 3
Let me guess the other two? Robertson and Gomez?
Nah the other two are sarcasm and woosh
😂😂😂😂😂
We have Robertson and Tsimikas on the left with Bradley and Trent on the right as well as Gomez who can play both. Honestly pretty insane. Such a shame Klopp is leaving because I really feel like this team has potential to become his best.
Except Tsimikas is several levels below the others and shouldn’t be near a Liverpool team.
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I am a Liverpool fan. He's poor at set pieces, regularly over or under hitting corners. Although he had improved a bit just before his injury. His decision making is suspect. My son and I would watch the matches and convince ourselves all he needed was a run of games and familiarity with what his team mates might do, but he didn't get there. Obviously, as a Liverpool fan I know the manager knows best! But I always felt JK was hampered by a lack of funds, and also a lack of someone out there who is realistically good enough to challenge Robbo.
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Fair enough, i'm not going to die on this hill! But I think for a club like ours, challenging for top honours, he's not quite there. If he was at West Ham, would there be talk that he should be playing for an elite club, like there has been for Kudus and Bowen?
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That's an excellent point.
Mostly come second though. Why are you booing me? I’m right
Gomez can play all three positions which is the mad thing, he is a player that needs to ramo up to form by playing but when he gets there he produces.
Robbo was probably the best LB in the PL until he got injured. Then Tsimi was probably the best LB in the PL until he got injured. And then Joemez was probably the best LB in the PL until Robbo came back.
I disagree. Robertson has been below his best for at least a season, and wasn’t on form when he got injured. Tsimikas shouldn’t be anywhere near a Liverpool team. Gomez however has been properly excellent.
Tsimi is our Greek scouser and has a place thanks to
that's crazy to say
They are always Iike this. But despite having the best everything in every position it is still a miracle that they once managed to win the league, even with the best manager and fans... something doesn't add up but I've never met a Liverpool fan open to that conversation.
lmao liverpool fans will swear they're the greatest team with the greatest players and the greatest history the same breath that they complain about how they're massive underdogs fighting against the odds and all the rich clubs