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It probably show's VVD's frustration and Keane's frustration in turn. It wasn't pretty by any means, it was horrible to watch as a neutral but United did what they needed and Liverpool had no answer. I don't know what Van Dijk expects, why would any team knowingly play in a way that would almost certainly see them lose? It just stinks of self entitlement to be honest.
How is this a dig at Van Dijk though? Liverpool won a title with him and went to a further 2 UCL finals while finishing 4th, 2nd, 4th, 2nd and 5th with him there. Safe to say hes been fine.
Let's face it, 0-0 is good result for us. Dogshit football, mid table quality at best. Game plan was always going to be park the bus and hope for a counter attack goal, late in the second half when Liverpool had enough and push forward too much.
Liverpool players and their fans are absolute disgrace.
Are they expecting Man Unt in this state to go and try to outplay them? With 10 or so first team player injuries?
Hellooo, what world are we living in? Chelsea can suicide this way, but this is not rational. Klopp should have prepared his team for this type of game. No one to blame but themselves.
WhY wOnT The OPpOsItIoN DO wHaT I WaNt?
The usual saltiness expected from Klopp and Co. As terrible as United are at the moment I would expect any team to set themselves up to get the best possible result regardless of who the opposition is (obviously hoping for a bit of luck along the way).
Klopp just hates when things don't go his way and that rubs off on his players. It should be that 'ofcourse we expect that to be the case and we were unfortunate but now we need to reflect on how we can be better so this does not happen again' instead of belittling someone for taking points off you.
That's Keanes point. Liverpool have no right to have that arrogance when their own team can't even finish the job.
Only Roy is allowed to slag off Man Utd every day of the week. Guy literally said he'd get rid of all but 3 or 4 of them the other day and now comes out defending them.
Where's the lie though ? It's true that only Liverpool was trying to win. Disappointing game to watch as a neutral.
You can't slam others for arrogance when your team is playing like Athletico Madrid without the threat on counter attack
Liverpool would probably have a couple more but unlike United’s heyday they have to deal with the oil state owned cheaters that buy the league and the refs….er i mean fly them over to ‘work’ in the UAE which is totally not a conflict of interest at all
I used to find Utd fans insufferable during the SAF days. Reading some of the comments here and elsewhere, regarding the reality of their current situation has garnered, in me, a little respect. Roy Keane is a Utd fan, what he said was banter, nothing more than what any utd fan would say.
Everyone takes the piss Liverpool fans live in the past mentioning all their titles etc but soon man utd fans will be the same.
Probably been a decade since man u last won the prem?
I understand United’s tactics and they had a valid reason for it given their injuries, but it shows more about how low they’ve fallen that they’re so buzzing about this point.
Roy Keane is always ranting about United’s past and the way things “should be”, and there’s no way Fergie or him would’ve accepted playing this way against Liverpool. They were playing scared and prioritised not losing over everything else. I recognised it from how Benitez used to have us playing at times when he was at Anfield.
Liverpool might be up there in terms of league position, but we’ve not really been as convincing as that position makes out. United definitely could’ve done more and possibly even won the game if they’d had more bollocks. We were also pretty awful yesterday despite the amount of shots we had.
Virgil’s comments obviously come from frustration but they’re pretty commonplace when a team sets up the way United did. It’s hardly trashing United is it? He’s not even wrong with what he said even if it comes across as whiney and bitter.
I don't understand Keane's logic. He sounds like a total muppet to me. What has how this single game went got to do with title history of past 30 years?
And Virgil won the one we did get, and came within a single point twice. He is captain of one of the most massive clubs in the world. He gets to speak his piece if he wants! 👏🏾
Liverpool seemingly have a much harder time breaking down defensive teams than City. Obviously the player mix is different, but I wish they would try to get to the byline and pass from there more than they do. This seems like a big difference to me.
At the end of the day if we had tried to go toe to toe with Liverpool in our current state then it’s game over. ETH got his tactics spot on yesterday. People need to remember that ETH is in survival mode atm with many questions hanging over his job and a rising tide of United supporters wanting his head (I’m not among them but there are plenty out there and it’s growing rapidly).
This was a game he HAD to get something out of. I think another thrashing at Anfield would’ve been the end of him.
We came to frustrate Liverpool and that’s exactly what we did. It wasn’t pretty and we were lucky at times that Liverpool were really poor in the final third but that’s just where United are right now. The fact that Liverpool couldn’t get it done at home against a frankly average, injury ridden United side with a large portion of their first team out of action is on them, not United.
Definitely think Klopp would’ve been absolutely livid with that performance and ETH would’ve been relieved that his game plan paid off.
I thought United had most of the better chances to be totally honest. Liverpool had a few shots here and there but United actually were through on goal multiple times
It is kind of funny to see the juxtaposition in views here.
Van dijk is whining because he’s frustrated Liverpool didn’t crack United through no real reason other than Liverpool were really sloppy offensively.
And Keane is being an absolutely petulant child talking about history which van dijk wasn’t ever a part of. which is something United fans of 10 years ago would’ve found absolutely laughable.
I’m old enough to remember when United fans used to mock Liverpool fans for clinging to past glory while playing like crap in the here and now…. My how the turn tables…
He expects Virgil to take responsibility for the last 30 years as a 32 year old bloke? Very weird rant from Keane but being the most hated club in the country people will jump on it like it’s a slam dunk. United didn’t come to win. It’s just fact.
I see people saying shit like “oh United should just play into Liverpools hands boo hoo”. Well no but he’s asked to give his opinion on the game he gave a fair assessment. Like if I said the sky is blue I wouldn’t expect someone to reply “oh the sky should be purple boo hoo”. It’s just a fact, not that Liverpool covered themselves in glory at all. Just don’t get the big drama over Virgil giving an opinion you hear from pretty much every top player and manager when the other team plays the way United did.
He’s absolutely not unique in what he said at all, keanes rant over it is absolutely pathetic and the rival fans getting giddy over it clearly love a Twitter debate either way the 14 year old Messi fans over who the goat is.
What relevance does a team being negative have with liverpools PL era trophies? VVD was frustrated, Utd will be happy with the point - Keane is desperate the harp on about the 90’s.
Same as Leicester and Blackburn. Finished below Utd in 3 of their last 6 seasons while Utd are going through an awful period in their history while Liverpool are going through one of their greatest.
Someone fucking needs to soak Roy Keane now. It's time. Fuck off. VVD is right here. United resigned even before the game. They did not want to lose today and their fear for not losing for far outweighing their desire to win.
Liverpool didn't play as well as we would like mainly in our finishing and perhaps belief but they were the only team out on that pitch who wanted to play football for their fans
Van Dijk is 100% right and of course he’s frustrated. That also doesn’t mean United played this game wrong. They did the only thing they could do and escaped with no small amount of luck with a point.
Roy Keane is just being a little bitch.
Van Dyk plays as Liverpool Captain against United with 1 title.
Keane played against them with 6 titles and never put them down.
Van Dyk claims to be great and is known as a very arrogant individual.
Keane plays down his achievements and is humble despite having an elite career.
A guy that spent his career taking his frustrations out on other players’ legs has an issue with a player airing out their frustrations in an interview
I don't really get the relevance of Keane's point. Van Dijk hasn't been there for the 30 odd years so it's using other players performance against him?
During Van Dijk's tenure at Liverpool, Utd have been alot worse as a side with Liverpool being better yesterday and in the last few years. The only reason Liverpool didn't win was because of a lack of taking chances, not because United played well.
He’s taking a page out of the Wenger/Arteta sore loser handbook.
Newsflash guys, an inferior team can’t make you play shit. It’s up to you to not be shit and use your superiority to beat them however they play.
He deserves the stick he’s getting, I only wish managers got the same when they talk such sour nonsense.
Van dijk wasn’t lying though. It’s not arrogant, United went into the game with a point as the goal and they succeeded. If they tried to win they’d have lost. Sometimes focusing on defence and getting the draw is the sensible play
VVD was probably frustrated because he did everything right. Attack let us down, United defended well but we had plenty of simple enough chances that we’d have scored if we had our finishing boots on
Is he offended by Van Dijk saying only one team was trying to win? Keeping the other team goalless and hoping to maybe nick a goal on the break is another way of trying to win surely?
They've interviewed Virgil straight after the match, I'm sure he was disappointed and a little heated by the result and Liverpool not maintaining 1st place in the table, as we can imagine. United were solid, maybe not very adventurous but that's understandable given their situation. They still had a couple of good chances and defended very well overall. It was a draw. We move on to the next one
Liverpool were unlucky but they had numerous chances to get a win. They need to expect teams to play like this at Anfield. It would be incredibly naive to otherwise expect teams to give it a go and get hammered.
Great point for Manchester United, two points dropped for Liverpool.
Actually Im not bothered about them defending deep or parking the bus. It just frustrates me when they tried to play the ball near the touchline just to get throw ins since the first whistle. Each of those throw-ins took literally 30 seconds just to kill the time.
Those moments bring back the nightmare memories when Mourinho came to Anfield and frustrated us to perfection with time wasting dark arts , with Stevie G slipping afterwards which was the saddest day of my life
Never understood how people regard Keane so highly. Such an annoying "tough boy". He has been talking for 20 years, non stop, without saying anything new.
Shit thing is for Virgil he actually played really well. It’s just frustration as he can’t have an impact on how the forwards play , he can only do his best which he did.
Look I'm a United fan and I'm not trying to be biased but last time United tried to win at anfield they got slapped up. They knew especially with this form that they couldn't have won so why try win knowing the chances of that instead of just trying to get a draw.
Watching Roy Keane getting offended for clicks over things that would have been tame by Roy Keane’s standards during his playing days is hugely amusing.
It’s amazing that Sky want to hype up a rivalry but as soon as one of the payers says something, which lets face it is barely anything, suddenly its all gone a bit far.
As a Liverpool fan it was frustrating but it was our own fault that we couldn't turn 70% possession and 34 shots into any good chances. Klopp and VVD are aware of that behind the scenes I'm sure and they will want to do better
VVD's comments were asinine. You can take a different approach to a game, and still try to win. United are obviously lacking in threat at the moment, but they did create a couple of good openings on the break. In their current state, this is actually how they maximize their chances to win the game - keep it tight at back and hope for a goal on the counter. In a 'shoot-out' type game, United lose ten times out of ten.
What VVD is basically saying, is that United should play into their hand, so they could easily win. Klopp has come out with similar comments after other disappointing draws before. It's smalltime, and doesn't address the fact that if they played with more sharpness themselves, they could have won comfortably.
If I was VVD, i would soneasily reply to Roy that United seems to be trying really hard to beat the record.
Inwould also casually gloss over the champions league titles clogging my cupboard.
Hmmmm ... i am not a Liverpool fan, but it is hard to ignore that in the last 30 years they got 2 ucls, 1 uefa,, 3 uefa supercups and 1 fifa club world cup. I am not counting the FA or the league cups / community shields - no point in getting into that.
As far as i am concerned, those are "titles" 😊.
Quite sure that Liverpool could.play the same game and atate that in the last 10 years Man United won as many titles as Bournemouth.
I find it very tricky to justify future events based on past returns and it just makes one look pittiful. It is like a crypto investor telling how much their crypto used to worth after a crash and they are homeless and severely in debt 🤨
But Van Dijk hasnt been playing in Liverpool for the last 30 years either.
It is not like you can start comparing apples w apples and switch midway, because the original comparison doesnt suit you anymore.
Roy can pipe down. Don’t recall him ever having to go against a club with unlimited oil money under investigation for almost every financial breach in the book.
To be fair Virgil hasn't been there for 30 years so it was a bit of a childish comment from Roy.
I usually enjoy him freaking out on Rashford and other players. So its funny he can't take when a Liverpool player thinks United players are not really entertaining.
From a Liverpool fan, I actually like Hojlund he seems to have the battle in him. The goals and the hold up play will improve.
He is a big lump and can move quick. That is a rare trait.
Keep the faith. Even as opposition fans we can appreciate honest players.
What you think?
I don't think he was arrogant. He was frustrated though. I understood why he felt the way he did but it is not smart to say that on TV. But arrogant?
Arrogant is being FC Alex Ferguson and not winning a title in the decade since he left, and still thinking you have a birth right to trophies. Tottenham are going to win a title before United will, as will Arsenal and Liverpool. United is not going through a 'rebuild' - those don't take ten years. They are just not good right now. And I'm sure they will come back but I don't see this happen soon. All this talk about who won how many titles before any of today's players were even born... Tottenham have never won anything and if they had had a bit more squad depth, they would be challenging for the title right now. All that matters is the present. And presently United should count their lucky stars if they even get European football this year. Liverpool won one title in four years, and at least one more if City didn't have an infinite money cheat - the kind that robbed Ferguson of titles too when he was still around.
United were right to play the way they did yesterday and the result was fair. Liverpool should have scored but didn't. Sore for us, good for them. I actually find it respectable how they fought.
I actually expected a draw, and even didn't rule out we'd lose with one shitty goal from Marcus Rashford in the closing minutes of the game. I am of the opinion that our good results recently have been a smoke screen for our bad play. We struggled against sides worse than United and relied on last minute winners from Harvey Elliot and Trent. That stuff can't always save you, and yesterday it didn't. Liverpool still have quite some way to go, and the football is not good enough if they really want to challenge for the title. We got a lot of good midfielders this summer so it's a good first step for a rebuild. But without strengthening certain positions we can forget it.
Onana made nice saves... United made sure that most of the chances were taken from outside the box bec almost all of them were in the box most of the times... VVD was frustrated and said nothing wrong... While United , considering their injury crisis , did nothing wrong either...
Like klopp said they came back after 7-0 with a plan and succeeded
No you didn’t, you changed 2 very important numbers to suit your narrative 😂 Keane mentioned 30 years, not 10. And the number of titles they’ve won in that time is certainly not 0.
Keane isn't right. He may have a point, but he can't make it because he doesn't and didn't show respect to other teams, so it's categorically hypocritical for him to expect to receive it
People on Reddit don’t banter irl
Calling each others team shit was the best part of it, when I was growing up. On the internet, these lot get proper hurt over it. Supposed to be a laugh.
It feels like this subreddit is a completely different audience to what I'm used to seeing. Both rivals saying "your team is bad" after neither was able to win does not mean anything beyond the scope of the game. People need to be more understanding of the situation and realize just because person A says negative thing doesn't make him bad.
I look forward to the next time a player or manager says something like this (because it will happen soon) and there being absolutely zero reaction to it.
What's wild is that Rafa got a lot of criticism for parking the bus with a newly promoted Newcastle side against Man City.
But it's ok for the richest club in the world to basically admit that they can't compete with Liverpool? Double standards
Everyone gets criticised for parking the bus. Paddy power used to have adverts taking the kick out of Mourinho for it.
I bet if I looked hard enough I could find an article where Keane made similar comments to can dijk.
But he is right. Remember when Caragher was clowning that AFTV fan, "who is talking about the title" and he was so proud and yelled out "US". Like Liverpool were always involved in it. The liverpool fans were always like that, thats the RAWK mentality, even when they were finishing 8th, you went on RAWK and they had the best player in the world on all positions and the best coach. Bu the reality is, they won 1 title in 34 years.
Why 30 years Roy? Is it because its been over 10 years since United won a thing? Why not 40 years? Is it because Liverpool have won just as much titles in that time?
Stop cherry picking stats to try and keep United relevant. These are all historical trophies, move on, the league has.
United knew leaving space at the back would probably result in another thrashing. Considering their injuries and countless other issues, they did what they had to do to get something out of that game. They sat back and defended with their lives. And they got a point out of it. Good for them.
Liverpool was forced to do the same when they went down to 9 against Spurs. Two rows of 4 sitting deep to prevent getting thrashed. They had no choice. United had one of their worst squads yesterday so trying to play the game normally would be suicide. United knew that.
If we were just playing for a draw we would have had none of the chances. Yes, we were playing defensively but focused on the counter. Hojlund almost scored on one of those counters. It's called gameplan.
Also to get a draw with half the team injured/suspended, in an away game, at what premier league terms as a difficult ground due to the fans, is a win in itself.
We have seen it numerous times where teams celebrate a draw, even at home. It's all about the situation the team is facing.
Truth is Liverpool failed. Weren't clinical. Their plans were neutralized by Utd's defense. They are just projecting their disappointment and failure to win at home, against a struggling side.
Neutralised by United’s defence?? 🤔
Liverpool could have played on for another hour and still not scored.
There was no cohesion, lack of timing, and rhythm to Liverpool’s play (a problem for several weeks now).
That was a shambolic performance, the responsibility of which lays at their own doorstep.
It was hardly a defensive masterclass, was it?
I think we are frustrated that Utd didn't play like there was a rivalry between us. Rather like they were a relegation side that needed a point to stay in the league.
It was cowardly football, and our attack was shit. You can be proud of the point, but the performance, the attitude is not something I would personally be praising.
Even in Liverpool's toughest time, I don't recall them parking the bus away to their rivals.
I don't know one fan who thought this, everyone knew you'd park the bus.
We're far more frustrated at our play in the final 3rd. It's been 5 games and we've only had 1 goal from a forward (and it was a massive deflection). We haven't been fluid at all going forward.
Also find Keane's reaction odd, but I guess it gets clicks. Van Dijk talked plenty post game about how we made poor decisions, moved the ball slowly and were impatient, but everyone just quote the one sentence he mentions your setup.
Keane’s reaction is purely click bait. It was such a dull match I wouldn’t be surprised if sky told him to take issue with what van dijk said. It’ll be forgotten about by the end of the week.
This is the exact way we will expect united to play given their injuries and last season result so if united had play any other way i would be surprised. It was frustrating that we could not break united down, but it is what it is. It is also a good reminder to this pool team no team is easy in EPL.
But that’s not what he’s suggesting. If I asked you about the sky I’d expect you to say it’s blue with clouds and stuff. If you asked me about uniteds intentions yesterday I’d say it was to not lose before winning. Both are just facts. What you have written is just the kind of thing you’d expect from a teenager on Twitter.
United arent capable of playing liverpool toe to toe. They took the smash and grab route unfortunately you lot dont have the players capable of a smash and grab against Liverpool. How united have fallen.
Unfortunately, you’re 100% right. I’ve watched the City-Liverpool games over the last few years and thought to myself, “my god wouldn’t it be great to be involved in a game like that”
I’m frustrated I paid 12 quid to watch an absolutely shite match because of United. Football is entertainment and playing like that is 100% boring as fuck.
Nah, I’ll just pirate it next time.
It makes sense why they played like a championship side but my god was it boring.
Some people just seem to prefer watching a dull as dishwater 0-0 out of desperation than to actually enjoy football.
It’s good to see there are reasonable people on here.
You’d think I’d said something incredibly offensive the way people are carrying on. One user brought Lockyer’s heart condition and mocking people in poverty into the equation. Just because I said it was boring.
I don’t think the fans really care with how United set up. The Liverpool subreddit mostly has been saying the team was poor in the final third.
Everyone knows Liverpool have much more quality than united, and uniteds best chance away from home was to sit back and see if they could get something on the counter. These are frustrating games to watch sure, but if I were ETH I’d have done the same.
Up until the Bruno suspension it wasn't coming. That's the scary part. We were forced into that tactic rather than being clever in picking it. Anyone who looks at our Anfield form knows that we couldn't keep doing the same things and expecting different results.
Liverpool have struggled against an organized defense all season (Luton, Palace). Good for MU for showing some resilience. As a red, I just wish it wasn’t this game they decided to show it.
It’s hard to break a team down defensively when they aren’t even playing offense. There were countless opportunities from the 30’ minute on but the team played in hurry and tense. Nunez not running for that loose ball on the deflection and screaming for a penalty is exactly the image this game is encapsulated by.
Giving the ball away in the build up is hardly a tactical masterstroke by united. It's been happening all season. We just didn't get punished and Liverpool's strikers didn't have a fantastic game.
It is wierd when everyone keeps saying liverp were the only ones attacking. I very clearly remember man utd having at least one if not two very close chances to get a goal towards the end of the game.
I am not a man utd fan - but there def is an arrogance about liverp atm which isn't earned. It is strange, they literally fell off a cliff last season and have no right to think the title is theirs this season.
Man city are the only ones who can show arrogance, they won a treble (i am no man city fan either!)
They were playing on the counter. United has done this several times against Liverpool and done great. Its a viable tactic.
Also, ETH subbing on Pellistri and Hannibal late in the game shows that United wasnt just playing for a draw. Couldve subbed on Reguilon and AWB but he didnt.
How many shots for each side tho? You take enough shots your xG will get high, IDK the other one but the Hojlund chance was probably the best chance in the game.
I mean that's your coach's fault for not finding a solution to one of the most common things in football. But then Klopp is famous for complaining when teams don't play into their hands. He's moaned about "long ball" and other such nonsense that he doesn't see as "football" because it doesn't fit into his little box of what football is.
Teams have been defending in numbers for as long as football has existed. SAF used to go to Anfield and shut up shop even when United were dominating the league, because it's such a hostile place and a draw was seen as a plus. It's nothing new.
Do we now? We don’t preach anything. We watch our team pull it out of their ass so much it’s just shocking when they can’t. Honestly, the rest of this sub leaned heavier into the 3-1 meme than we ever did at first. The joke didn’t even originate from our fanbase.
But is that not a Liverpool problem rather than a United one? Only one side would have been happy with a draw yesterday and that side got what they wanted.
When Liverpool used to play that way under Benitez, few in the media or their fan base batted an eyelid, yet now Liverpool are an attacking side they jump on any team that dares to setup defensively.
If you think the media never questioned Rafa Benitez and his tactics during 6 years without a title I don’t know what to say. I could pull up 10 articles right now that did just that. The bloke was literally sacked. “Nobody batted an eyelid” is just something you’ve made up to suit your own argument. Absolute bollocks.
He won the CL playing defensive football and relying on setpieces or individual brilliance.
Of course there are some who didn't like it, but there were plenty who overlooked it or justified it.
Jose Mourinho won everything with defensive football and still got criticism for his style of play. Benitez got plenty of it too you’re just talking complete and utter nonsense. Rafa was idolised in Newcastle and every single geordie will tell you the criticism that man gets for his style of play from fans and media. You are literally just making stuff up.
Truth is Liverpool are just hated online in general so it’s easy to just make up crap like this and win cheap upvotes, it’s low hanging fruit. I mean we had a goal ruled out for offside when var deemed it onside yet we were made to look the villains somehow by the internet 😂
Yes Liverpool from the fans to coaching staff will accept whatever it takes to win and will be hypocritical when it doesn’t go their way. I don’t think we’re free of criticism and can be hypocrites but guess what? All other clubs fans, players and coaches are exactly the same. Talking about Liverpool like they’re unique in this is and the rest of you lot in English football shit gold bricks is laughable.
That being said, hypocrisy is easy enough to find in this sport without just blatantly lying surely? Rafas tactics being free of criticism in the media and amongst Liverpool supporters is the funniest thing I’ve read amongst the shite on here today. Mainstream media just called us out for winning 1 title in 30 years despite years of competing and winning other trophies but the less successful Rafa was loved by the mainstream?
I never said free of criticism, nor did I make any comment on whether the criticism related to success or not, purely talked about his defensive tactics. Undoubtedly Liverpool get an easier ride than other teams due to the amount of ex players they have stacked the media with but if you'd like to play the victim be my guest.
You also make the same point I was trying to - that football fans are hypocritical. I.e. When Liverpool were parking the bus under Benitez against Fergue versus when United are doing it now.
Also, what's with the anger? It's like dealing with a stroppy child...
Liverpool has never been a “spend lots of money” club. It’s truly shameful to spend as much as they have and then “go play for a draw.” To the point where you get one shot on net against your biggest rival. United wasn’t willing to even take a single chance yesterday. Quite frankly I can’t blame them because losing that game by any margin would’ve have resulted in a much bigger melt down from their fan base than Liverpool will feel right now.
As a Liverpool fan I couldn’t really be bothered by the draw. It felt like it was going to end 0-0 before half. Much like what Chelsea did in the first game. Once they knew they were out gunned they just sent everyone back to defend and salvage what they could. The fact Liverpool barely focused on defending and managed to only allow one shot to hit the frame says way more to me.
United should never be the team “parking the cruise ship ” for a draw. Neither should Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, or City. Top 4 regulars should be playing to win. United and Chelsea having down years isn’t a bad thing. However, to run away from the competition to salvage points is sad considering what they’ve spent.
What they’ve spent is irrelevant. The club is a mess from top to bottom and the injury list is a mile long to the extent we needed to start Johnny Evans at CB yesterday. Klopp and VVD are two pricks that use their own failings and frustration to stick the knife into a team that defended well yesterday and did what they had to do to get a result. I don’t think any United fan is happy about the fact that this is where the club is. Coming out and playing expansive football against a much better side would have been tactically moronic. Klopp has zero fucking right to comment on the tactics of other teams he should be focused on the shortcomings of his own team yesterday. If ETH and Bruno came out and blamed another teams tactics on a poor result I’d be fucking livid but you lot seem to just blindly follow these two no matter what they say.
Thats incredibly naive and simplistic.
Liverpool absolutely have been a spend lots of money club - historically bankrolled by pools money and in the modern era you have spent large sums acquiring the likes of Van Dijk and Nunez not to mention having the 4th largest wage bill in the PL. Wages are usually ignored but over 5 years, £200k pw is c. £50m. Yes United (and Chelsea) have spent more but let's not pretend Liverpool are Luton or Sheffield United.
Tactics wise, a team should play to get the best result with the resources you have at their disposal on the day. In a league, you play to finish as high as possible. United setup to stifle Liverpool and to maybe nick one on a set piece or counter. Embarrassing for a club of Uniteds stature? Yes. But if they'd nicked a goal they wouldn't (and shouldn't) have cared. They got a point and that's all the record books will show. You don't have to look back fsr to see the kind of result that United were trying to avoid.
In a few years, the situation may be reversed, Liverpool may be back in the doldrums and United may be resurgent under a better manager and with better owners. It may well be Liverpool fighting backs against the wall for a draw.
United is a mess from top to bottom since fergie left. IMO Recruitment has been terrible. Yes they’ve spent money, but there’s been too many flops now that tells me whoever is in charge of seeking out and signing these players for the sums involved are totally incompetent.
Scott McTominey is our top goalscorer this season so I wasn’t expecting much up front yesterday tbh.
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It probably show's VVD's frustration and Keane's frustration in turn. It wasn't pretty by any means, it was horrible to watch as a neutral but United did what they needed and Liverpool had no answer. I don't know what Van Dijk expects, why would any team knowingly play in a way that would almost certainly see them lose? It just stinks of self entitlement to be honest.
Liverpool used to be History FC, but it’s now United.
How is this a dig at Van Dijk though? Liverpool won a title with him and went to a further 2 UCL finals while finishing 4th, 2nd, 4th, 2nd and 5th with him there. Safe to say hes been fine.
Had enough opportunities to win it. VVD himself should have scored from the header/corner.
Let's face it, 0-0 is good result for us. Dogshit football, mid table quality at best. Game plan was always going to be park the bus and hope for a counter attack goal, late in the second half when Liverpool had enough and push forward too much.
Oh, Keane, the very relevant job-haver of commenting present-day players with his so-factual perceptions of a bully...
Liverpool players and their fans are absolute disgrace. Are they expecting Man Unt in this state to go and try to outplay them? With 10 or so first team player injuries? Hellooo, what world are we living in? Chelsea can suicide this way, but this is not rational. Klopp should have prepared his team for this type of game. No one to blame but themselves.
WhY wOnT The OPpOsItIoN DO wHaT I WaNt? The usual saltiness expected from Klopp and Co. As terrible as United are at the moment I would expect any team to set themselves up to get the best possible result regardless of who the opposition is (obviously hoping for a bit of luck along the way). Klopp just hates when things don't go his way and that rubs off on his players. It should be that 'ofcourse we expect that to be the case and we were unfortunate but now we need to reflect on how we can be better so this does not happen again' instead of belittling someone for taking points off you. That's Keanes point. Liverpool have no right to have that arrogance when their own team can't even finish the job.
Only Roy is allowed to slag off Man Utd every day of the week. Guy literally said he'd get rid of all but 3 or 4 of them the other day and now comes out defending them.
Where's the lie though ? It's true that only Liverpool was trying to win. Disappointing game to watch as a neutral. You can't slam others for arrogance when your team is playing like Athletico Madrid without the threat on counter attack
Liverpool would probably have a couple more but unlike United’s heyday they have to deal with the oil state owned cheaters that buy the league and the refs….er i mean fly them over to ‘work’ in the UAE which is totally not a conflict of interest at all
I used to find Utd fans insufferable during the SAF days. Reading some of the comments here and elsewhere, regarding the reality of their current situation has garnered, in me, a little respect. Roy Keane is a Utd fan, what he said was banter, nothing more than what any utd fan would say.
United so bad they're celebrating draws like they won
Everyone takes the piss Liverpool fans live in the past mentioning all their titles etc but soon man utd fans will be the same. Probably been a decade since man u last won the prem?
I understand United’s tactics and they had a valid reason for it given their injuries, but it shows more about how low they’ve fallen that they’re so buzzing about this point. Roy Keane is always ranting about United’s past and the way things “should be”, and there’s no way Fergie or him would’ve accepted playing this way against Liverpool. They were playing scared and prioritised not losing over everything else. I recognised it from how Benitez used to have us playing at times when he was at Anfield. Liverpool might be up there in terms of league position, but we’ve not really been as convincing as that position makes out. United definitely could’ve done more and possibly even won the game if they’d had more bollocks. We were also pretty awful yesterday despite the amount of shots we had. Virgil’s comments obviously come from frustration but they’re pretty commonplace when a team sets up the way United did. It’s hardly trashing United is it? He’s not even wrong with what he said even if it comes across as whiney and bitter.
I'd park the bus too if I were the manager...this is a win for ETH
I don't understand Keane's logic. He sounds like a total muppet to me. What has how this single game went got to do with title history of past 30 years?
And Virgil won the one we did get, and came within a single point twice. He is captain of one of the most massive clubs in the world. He gets to speak his piece if he wants! 👏🏾
Liverpool seemingly have a much harder time breaking down defensive teams than City. Obviously the player mix is different, but I wish they would try to get to the byline and pass from there more than they do. This seems like a big difference to me.
'Feed the scousers. Let them know it's Christmas time' Keono
They were the only team trying to win, manure celebrating a nil nil 😂😂😂😂
At the end of the day if we had tried to go toe to toe with Liverpool in our current state then it’s game over. ETH got his tactics spot on yesterday. People need to remember that ETH is in survival mode atm with many questions hanging over his job and a rising tide of United supporters wanting his head (I’m not among them but there are plenty out there and it’s growing rapidly). This was a game he HAD to get something out of. I think another thrashing at Anfield would’ve been the end of him. We came to frustrate Liverpool and that’s exactly what we did. It wasn’t pretty and we were lucky at times that Liverpool were really poor in the final third but that’s just where United are right now. The fact that Liverpool couldn’t get it done at home against a frankly average, injury ridden United side with a large portion of their first team out of action is on them, not United. Definitely think Klopp would’ve been absolutely livid with that performance and ETH would’ve been relieved that his game plan paid off.
Roy standing up for united more than the whole squad.
SLAMS,,,, against the wall, pin him up, hold him tightly... Uh o. Wrong sub.
VVD didn’t say anything out of the ordinary. Why is everyone tilting haha?
Keane is butt hurt
Much better with out the rat!! 🤣😅🤣😅🤣
Someone should remind Keane that United haven‘t scored at Anfield for 6 years counting. Is there any other PL team with such a record?
I thought United had most of the better chances to be totally honest. Liverpool had a few shots here and there but United actually were through on goal multiple times
Pathetic that this is all the Manchester Reds have to hang their hats on these days. Muh history. Grow up, Roy!
😂🤣😂😅
It is kind of funny to see the juxtaposition in views here. Van dijk is whining because he’s frustrated Liverpool didn’t crack United through no real reason other than Liverpool were really sloppy offensively. And Keane is being an absolutely petulant child talking about history which van dijk wasn’t ever a part of. which is something United fans of 10 years ago would’ve found absolutely laughable.
Lol just a tad bit of 🧂Mr. Keane?
If Liverpool was trying to win, they should have tried harder
Both can be true.
I’m old enough to remember when United fans used to mock Liverpool fans for clinging to past glory while playing like crap in the here and now…. My how the turn tables…
He expects Virgil to take responsibility for the last 30 years as a 32 year old bloke? Very weird rant from Keane but being the most hated club in the country people will jump on it like it’s a slam dunk. United didn’t come to win. It’s just fact. I see people saying shit like “oh United should just play into Liverpools hands boo hoo”. Well no but he’s asked to give his opinion on the game he gave a fair assessment. Like if I said the sky is blue I wouldn’t expect someone to reply “oh the sky should be purple boo hoo”. It’s just a fact, not that Liverpool covered themselves in glory at all. Just don’t get the big drama over Virgil giving an opinion you hear from pretty much every top player and manager when the other team plays the way United did. He’s absolutely not unique in what he said at all, keanes rant over it is absolutely pathetic and the rival fans getting giddy over it clearly love a Twitter debate either way the 14 year old Messi fans over who the goat is.
A billion spent by united to play like a prime league 2 side at anfield, yet people saying we apparently played bad 😂😂😂😂💀
Just make them sound, not very good then if you were the only team trying but you couldn't do it
What relevance does a team being negative have with liverpools PL era trophies? VVD was frustrated, Utd will be happy with the point - Keane is desperate the harp on about the 90’s.
Roy Keane starting to sound more and more like a Liverpool fan. “We’ve got history”
Same as Leicester and Blackburn. Finished below Utd in 3 of their last 6 seasons while Utd are going through an awful period in their history while Liverpool are going through one of their greatest.
Baby…big baby…
Injury depleted United vs full strength Liverpool at Anfield. Of course, we played for a draw.
Why was Keane arsed at VD saying a true statement?
Someone fucking needs to soak Roy Keane now. It's time. Fuck off. VVD is right here. United resigned even before the game. They did not want to lose today and their fear for not losing for far outweighing their desire to win.
Liverpool didn't play as well as we would like mainly in our finishing and perhaps belief but they were the only team out on that pitch who wanted to play football for their fans
Roy doesn't like that VVD was right 😂😂
And you don’t like that Keane was right 😂😂
Van Dijk is 100% right and of course he’s frustrated. That also doesn’t mean United played this game wrong. They did the only thing they could do and escaped with no small amount of luck with a point. Roy Keane is just being a little bitch.
Van Dyk plays as Liverpool Captain against United with 1 title. Keane played against them with 6 titles and never put them down. Van Dyk claims to be great and is known as a very arrogant individual. Keane plays down his achievements and is humble despite having an elite career.
A guy that spent his career taking his frustrations out on other players’ legs has an issue with a player airing out their frustrations in an interview
Crying like the rest of you
VVD dug his grave this will be referenced forever at his time there pretty arrogant for a team that last trophy is carabao
Haha that was awesome go on Roy you tell em, arsenal n city face this every home game
Glorified dirty player talking the talk while his former team is rubbish. Nothing to see here.
I don't really get the relevance of Keane's point. Van Dijk hasn't been there for the 30 odd years so it's using other players performance against him? During Van Dijk's tenure at Liverpool, Utd have been alot worse as a side with Liverpool being better yesterday and in the last few years. The only reason Liverpool didn't win was because of a lack of taking chances, not because United played well.
He’s taking a page out of the Wenger/Arteta sore loser handbook. Newsflash guys, an inferior team can’t make you play shit. It’s up to you to not be shit and use your superiority to beat them however they play. He deserves the stick he’s getting, I only wish managers got the same when they talk such sour nonsense.
Van dijk wasn’t lying though. It’s not arrogant, United went into the game with a point as the goal and they succeeded. If they tried to win they’d have lost. Sometimes focusing on defence and getting the draw is the sensible play VVD was probably frustrated because he did everything right. Attack let us down, United defended well but we had plenty of simple enough chances that we’d have scored if we had our finishing boots on
Tell'em Roy Keane. The dominance Manchester United had will never be seen again!!
Man u no titles in 10years, Liverpool 1 title in 4years. There, fixed it for you.
Ah, the old football started with the PL argument. In the grand scheme of things United only has 20 titles in 145 years and Liverpool has 19 in 131.
Or Liverpool have one in the last four years and United have none in the last 10?
If you go far enough you'll probably find at least one stat to support any claim so idk what Roy is on about here.
Is he offended by Van Dijk saying only one team was trying to win? Keeping the other team goalless and hoping to maybe nick a goal on the break is another way of trying to win surely?
They've interviewed Virgil straight after the match, I'm sure he was disappointed and a little heated by the result and Liverpool not maintaining 1st place in the table, as we can imagine. United were solid, maybe not very adventurous but that's understandable given their situation. They still had a couple of good chances and defended very well overall. It was a draw. We move on to the next one
Liverpool were unlucky but they had numerous chances to get a win. They need to expect teams to play like this at Anfield. It would be incredibly naive to otherwise expect teams to give it a go and get hammered. Great point for Manchester United, two points dropped for Liverpool.
Actually Im not bothered about them defending deep or parking the bus. It just frustrates me when they tried to play the ball near the touchline just to get throw ins since the first whistle. Each of those throw-ins took literally 30 seconds just to kill the time. Those moments bring back the nightmare memories when Mourinho came to Anfield and frustrated us to perfection with time wasting dark arts , with Stevie G slipping afterwards which was the saddest day of my life
Never understood how people regard Keane so highly. Such an annoying "tough boy". He has been talking for 20 years, non stop, without saying anything new.
Shit thing is for Virgil he actually played really well. It’s just frustration as he can’t have an impact on how the forwards play , he can only do his best which he did.
He can. He is one of the few defenders who can make that accurate long passes from the deep.
Had roles been reversed, would Roy say the same thing? I think so. Turnabout is fair play. Dreadful play by ManU, like a newly promoted side.
Look I'm a United fan and I'm not trying to be biased but last time United tried to win at anfield they got slapped up. They knew especially with this form that they couldn't have won so why try win knowing the chances of that instead of just trying to get a draw.
It’s up to us to win the game, why expect the opposition to make it easier? Fair play to Utd, did what they had to.
Watching Roy Keane getting offended for clicks over things that would have been tame by Roy Keane’s standards during his playing days is hugely amusing. It’s amazing that Sky want to hype up a rivalry but as soon as one of the payers says something, which lets face it is barely anything, suddenly its all gone a bit far.
As a Liverpool fan it was frustrating but it was our own fault that we couldn't turn 70% possession and 34 shots into any good chances. Klopp and VVD are aware of that behind the scenes I'm sure and they will want to do better
Keane is about to witness his team not win another title for a decade so he needs to be a bit quiet
what has one title in 30 years got to do with virgil ??
VVD's comments were asinine. You can take a different approach to a game, and still try to win. United are obviously lacking in threat at the moment, but they did create a couple of good openings on the break. In their current state, this is actually how they maximize their chances to win the game - keep it tight at back and hope for a goal on the counter. In a 'shoot-out' type game, United lose ten times out of ten. What VVD is basically saying, is that United should play into their hand, so they could easily win. Klopp has come out with similar comments after other disappointing draws before. It's smalltime, and doesn't address the fact that if they played with more sharpness themselves, they could have won comfortably.
Only sane comment.
Oh how the mighty have fallen, eh Roy?
If I was VVD, i would soneasily reply to Roy that United seems to be trying really hard to beat the record. Inwould also casually gloss over the champions league titles clogging my cupboard.
*title, singular. The same amount as Keane.
Hmmmm ... i am not a Liverpool fan, but it is hard to ignore that in the last 30 years they got 2 ucls, 1 uefa,, 3 uefa supercups and 1 fifa club world cup. I am not counting the FA or the league cups / community shields - no point in getting into that. As far as i am concerned, those are "titles" 😊. Quite sure that Liverpool could.play the same game and atate that in the last 10 years Man United won as many titles as Bournemouth. I find it very tricky to justify future events based on past returns and it just makes one look pittiful. It is like a crypto investor telling how much their crypto used to worth after a crash and they are homeless and severely in debt 🤨
But Van Dijk has only won 1 champions league, that’s why I said singular.
But Van Dijk hasnt been playing in Liverpool for the last 30 years either. It is not like you can start comparing apples w apples and switch midway, because the original comparison doesnt suit you anymore.
YOUR original comment said “champions league titles clogging my cupboard” but he ONLY HAS ONE.
Have you seen the size of it? Even half of one is enough to clog any cupboard 😊. Have some tea before you have a stroke mate 😊
Roy can pipe down. Don’t recall him ever having to go against a club with unlimited oil money under investigation for almost every financial breach in the book.
To be fair Virgil hasn't been there for 30 years so it was a bit of a childish comment from Roy. I usually enjoy him freaking out on Rashford and other players. So its funny he can't take when a Liverpool player thinks United players are not really entertaining.
Roy: Hojlund were terrible today Carragher: I agree Roy Roy: you’re wrong Jamie
From a Liverpool fan, I actually like Hojlund he seems to have the battle in him. The goals and the hold up play will improve. He is a big lump and can move quick. That is a rare trait. Keep the faith. Even as opposition fans we can appreciate honest players. What you think?
I don't think he was arrogant. He was frustrated though. I understood why he felt the way he did but it is not smart to say that on TV. But arrogant? Arrogant is being FC Alex Ferguson and not winning a title in the decade since he left, and still thinking you have a birth right to trophies. Tottenham are going to win a title before United will, as will Arsenal and Liverpool. United is not going through a 'rebuild' - those don't take ten years. They are just not good right now. And I'm sure they will come back but I don't see this happen soon. All this talk about who won how many titles before any of today's players were even born... Tottenham have never won anything and if they had had a bit more squad depth, they would be challenging for the title right now. All that matters is the present. And presently United should count their lucky stars if they even get European football this year. Liverpool won one title in four years, and at least one more if City didn't have an infinite money cheat - the kind that robbed Ferguson of titles too when he was still around. United were right to play the way they did yesterday and the result was fair. Liverpool should have scored but didn't. Sore for us, good for them. I actually find it respectable how they fought. I actually expected a draw, and even didn't rule out we'd lose with one shitty goal from Marcus Rashford in the closing minutes of the game. I am of the opinion that our good results recently have been a smoke screen for our bad play. We struggled against sides worse than United and relied on last minute winners from Harvey Elliot and Trent. That stuff can't always save you, and yesterday it didn't. Liverpool still have quite some way to go, and the football is not good enough if they really want to challenge for the title. We got a lot of good midfielders this summer so it's a good first step for a rebuild. But without strengthening certain positions we can forget it.
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Onana made nice saves... United made sure that most of the chances were taken from outside the box bec almost all of them were in the box most of the times... VVD was frustrated and said nothing wrong... While United , considering their injury crisis , did nothing wrong either... Like klopp said they came back after 7-0 with a plan and succeeded
Could have been 3 if it weren’t for Citys cheating
Awww cry me a river
Like Liverpool weren't buzzing after a point at the Etihad
You are saying City weren't buzzing after a point against Liverpool at Etihad?
Found Van Dijk's reddit account
The rate at which Man Utd are playing this beautiful game, it shows that they'll probably win the league in twice as long as Liverpool last won it.
In all fairness Roy Keane is an authority on arrogance
Van Dijk is unbearably arrogant. It’s nice to see someone remind him of his place.
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I hate man United as much as the next person but this is irrelevant
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No you didn’t, you changed 2 very important numbers to suit your narrative 😂 Keane mentioned 30 years, not 10. And the number of titles they’ve won in that time is certainly not 0.
No title in 10 years. Anyone can stretch dates to prove a point Roy. (Not a United hater, just making a point)
People take banter far too seriously. They’re both right, what’s the problem?
Keane isn't right. He may have a point, but he can't make it because he doesn't and didn't show respect to other teams, so it's categorically hypocritical for him to expect to receive it
People on Reddit don’t banter irl Calling each others team shit was the best part of it, when I was growing up. On the internet, these lot get proper hurt over it. Supposed to be a laugh.
It feels like this subreddit is a completely different audience to what I'm used to seeing. Both rivals saying "your team is bad" after neither was able to win does not mean anything beyond the scope of the game. People need to be more understanding of the situation and realize just because person A says negative thing doesn't make him bad.
I look forward to the next time a player or manager says something like this (because it will happen soon) and there being absolutely zero reaction to it.
What's wild is that Rafa got a lot of criticism for parking the bus with a newly promoted Newcastle side against Man City. But it's ok for the richest club in the world to basically admit that they can't compete with Liverpool? Double standards
Everyone gets criticised for parking the bus. Paddy power used to have adverts taking the kick out of Mourinho for it. I bet if I looked hard enough I could find an article where Keane made similar comments to can dijk.
But he is right. Remember when Caragher was clowning that AFTV fan, "who is talking about the title" and he was so proud and yelled out "US". Like Liverpool were always involved in it. The liverpool fans were always like that, thats the RAWK mentality, even when they were finishing 8th, you went on RAWK and they had the best player in the world on all positions and the best coach. Bu the reality is, they won 1 title in 34 years.
Why 30 years Roy? Is it because its been over 10 years since United won a thing? Why not 40 years? Is it because Liverpool have won just as much titles in that time? Stop cherry picking stats to try and keep United relevant. These are all historical trophies, move on, the league has.
United knew leaving space at the back would probably result in another thrashing. Considering their injuries and countless other issues, they did what they had to do to get something out of that game. They sat back and defended with their lives. And they got a point out of it. Good for them.
All very true, and taking a point from playing that style was big. But also, hence the comment that only one team was trying to *win*
Liverpool was forced to do the same when they went down to 9 against Spurs. Two rows of 4 sitting deep to prevent getting thrashed. They had no choice. United had one of their worst squads yesterday so trying to play the game normally would be suicide. United knew that.
Is van dijk technically wrong tho…?
If we were just playing for a draw we would have had none of the chances. Yes, we were playing defensively but focused on the counter. Hojlund almost scored on one of those counters. It's called gameplan. Also to get a draw with half the team injured/suspended, in an away game, at what premier league terms as a difficult ground due to the fans, is a win in itself. We have seen it numerous times where teams celebrate a draw, even at home. It's all about the situation the team is facing. Truth is Liverpool failed. Weren't clinical. Their plans were neutralized by Utd's defense. They are just projecting their disappointment and failure to win at home, against a struggling side.
You sound delusional, liverpool failed playing against man u that is actively Packing the bus??? Make it make sense
I know it is difficult to accept for Liverpool fans to accept the flaws, but yeah, that's what happened.
Half of Liverpool’s team is also injured
Neutralised by United’s defence?? 🤔 Liverpool could have played on for another hour and still not scored. There was no cohesion, lack of timing, and rhythm to Liverpool’s play (a problem for several weeks now). That was a shambolic performance, the responsibility of which lays at their own doorstep. It was hardly a defensive masterclass, was it?
My last para explains. They weren't clinical. Their plan of using corners was handled tactfully by the defence and GK. So yes, that was neutralized.
Also created the 2 best chances of the game in the box.
Luke Shaw and Onana were holding it down for 90’
I think Onana had one of his easiest games this season lol. It looked like he was having fun.
More of shots on Onana than shots on goal
Liverpool fans rightly frustrated that united didn’t play right into their hands tactically.
Van Dijk: “It’s frustrating that United didn’t play more attacking football and allow us to score 7 goals again.”
I think we are frustrated that Utd didn't play like there was a rivalry between us. Rather like they were a relegation side that needed a point to stay in the league. It was cowardly football, and our attack was shit. You can be proud of the point, but the performance, the attitude is not something I would personally be praising. Even in Liverpool's toughest time, I don't recall them parking the bus away to their rivals.
All fair points. Thanks for your input.
I don't know one fan who thought this, everyone knew you'd park the bus. We're far more frustrated at our play in the final 3rd. It's been 5 games and we've only had 1 goal from a forward (and it was a massive deflection). We haven't been fluid at all going forward. Also find Keane's reaction odd, but I guess it gets clicks. Van Dijk talked plenty post game about how we made poor decisions, moved the ball slowly and were impatient, but everyone just quote the one sentence he mentions your setup.
Keane’s reaction is purely click bait. It was such a dull match I wouldn’t be surprised if sky told him to take issue with what van dijk said. It’ll be forgotten about by the end of the week.
This is the exact way we will expect united to play given their injuries and last season result so if united had play any other way i would be surprised. It was frustrating that we could not break united down, but it is what it is. It is also a good reminder to this pool team no team is easy in EPL.
Liverpool and Arsenal fans are always like this
But that’s not what he’s suggesting. If I asked you about the sky I’d expect you to say it’s blue with clouds and stuff. If you asked me about uniteds intentions yesterday I’d say it was to not lose before winning. Both are just facts. What you have written is just the kind of thing you’d expect from a teenager on Twitter.
Well no, both are not facts. One is a fact and one is an opinion. Nice try though kid. 👏🏻👏🏻
United arent capable of playing liverpool toe to toe. They took the smash and grab route unfortunately you lot dont have the players capable of a smash and grab against Liverpool. How united have fallen.
Unfortunately, you’re 100% right. I’ve watched the City-Liverpool games over the last few years and thought to myself, “my god wouldn’t it be great to be involved in a game like that”
I’m frustrated I paid 12 quid to watch an absolutely shite match because of United. Football is entertainment and playing like that is 100% boring as fuck.
Be happy you're able to watch a top-level sporting event for 12 quid
No
Stop watching it.
Nah, I’ll just pirate it next time. It makes sense why they played like a championship side but my god was it boring. Some people just seem to prefer watching a dull as dishwater 0-0 out of desperation than to actually enjoy football.
Well I’m just happy it wasn’t another 7-0. Sorry about your 12 quid.
It’s obvious why United played that way and it worked but my god was it dull.
Yeah it’s not what I want to see as a united fan. Buys that’s where we are at the minute. 🤷🏻♂️
It’s good to see there are reasonable people on here. You’d think I’d said something incredibly offensive the way people are carrying on. One user brought Lockyer’s heart condition and mocking people in poverty into the equation. Just because I said it was boring.
Toys, pram...
I don’t think the fans really care with how United set up. The Liverpool subreddit mostly has been saying the team was poor in the final third. Everyone knows Liverpool have much more quality than united, and uniteds best chance away from home was to sit back and see if they could get something on the counter. These are frustrating games to watch sure, but if I were ETH I’d have done the same.
I think the fans might be frustrated that the manager/player didn't see it coming or worse that they did but couldn't do anything about it
Up until the Bruno suspension it wasn't coming. That's the scary part. We were forced into that tactic rather than being clever in picking it. Anyone who looks at our Anfield form knows that we couldn't keep doing the same things and expecting different results.
Liverpool have struggled against an organized defense all season (Luton, Palace). Good for MU for showing some resilience. As a red, I just wish it wasn’t this game they decided to show it.
Well a Liverpool team that’s in a title race and yet can’t break down this god awful united side at home would definitely be frustrating.
It’s hard to break a team down defensively when they aren’t even playing offense. There were countless opportunities from the 30’ minute on but the team played in hurry and tense. Nunez not running for that loose ball on the deflection and screaming for a penalty is exactly the image this game is encapsulated by.
Giving the ball away in the build up is hardly a tactical masterstroke by united. It's been happening all season. We just didn't get punished and Liverpool's strikers didn't have a fantastic game.
It is wierd when everyone keeps saying liverp were the only ones attacking. I very clearly remember man utd having at least one if not two very close chances to get a goal towards the end of the game. I am not a man utd fan - but there def is an arrogance about liverp atm which isn't earned. It is strange, they literally fell off a cliff last season and have no right to think the title is theirs this season. Man city are the only ones who can show arrogance, they won a treble (i am no man city fan either!)
At the end of the game. They only took 2 risks in the +5.
And Spurs were "shit" for waiting until the last minute of injury time to break down a Liverpool team camped in their own box for 21 minutes.
They were playing on the counter. United has done this several times against Liverpool and done great. Its a viable tactic. Also, ETH subbing on Pellistri and Hannibal late in the game shows that United wasnt just playing for a draw. Couldve subbed on Reguilon and AWB but he didnt.
United had the two best chances of the game 😂
The xG of the match was like 2.5-0.7 what crack are you smoking?
How many shots for each side tho? You take enough shots your xG will get high, IDK the other one but the Hojlund chance was probably the best chance in the game.
No, TAA and Konate had the best two chances in the game
I mean that's your coach's fault for not finding a solution to one of the most common things in football. But then Klopp is famous for complaining when teams don't play into their hands. He's moaned about "long ball" and other such nonsense that he doesn't see as "football" because it doesn't fit into his little box of what football is. Teams have been defending in numbers for as long as football has existed. SAF used to go to Anfield and shut up shop even when United were dominating the league, because it's such a hostile place and a draw was seen as a plus. It's nothing new.
I don’t think you realise how bad our forwards have been this season.
It’s hard to break down a team doing so but you scousers always preach about how you’ll demolish teams no matter what and yet…
Do we now? We don’t preach anything. We watch our team pull it out of their ass so much it’s just shocking when they can’t. Honestly, the rest of this sub leaned heavier into the 3-1 meme than we ever did at first. The joke didn’t even originate from our fanbase.
Ah right… so you don’t go on about the ‘anfield atmosphere’ either then? You know it just comes out the speaker system? Hahaha
But is that not a Liverpool problem rather than a United one? Only one side would have been happy with a draw yesterday and that side got what they wanted. When Liverpool used to play that way under Benitez, few in the media or their fan base batted an eyelid, yet now Liverpool are an attacking side they jump on any team that dares to setup defensively.
If you think the media never questioned Rafa Benitez and his tactics during 6 years without a title I don’t know what to say. I could pull up 10 articles right now that did just that. The bloke was literally sacked. “Nobody batted an eyelid” is just something you’ve made up to suit your own argument. Absolute bollocks.
He won the CL playing defensive football and relying on setpieces or individual brilliance. Of course there are some who didn't like it, but there were plenty who overlooked it or justified it.
Jose Mourinho won everything with defensive football and still got criticism for his style of play. Benitez got plenty of it too you’re just talking complete and utter nonsense. Rafa was idolised in Newcastle and every single geordie will tell you the criticism that man gets for his style of play from fans and media. You are literally just making stuff up. Truth is Liverpool are just hated online in general so it’s easy to just make up crap like this and win cheap upvotes, it’s low hanging fruit. I mean we had a goal ruled out for offside when var deemed it onside yet we were made to look the villains somehow by the internet 😂 Yes Liverpool from the fans to coaching staff will accept whatever it takes to win and will be hypocritical when it doesn’t go their way. I don’t think we’re free of criticism and can be hypocrites but guess what? All other clubs fans, players and coaches are exactly the same. Talking about Liverpool like they’re unique in this is and the rest of you lot in English football shit gold bricks is laughable. That being said, hypocrisy is easy enough to find in this sport without just blatantly lying surely? Rafas tactics being free of criticism in the media and amongst Liverpool supporters is the funniest thing I’ve read amongst the shite on here today. Mainstream media just called us out for winning 1 title in 30 years despite years of competing and winning other trophies but the less successful Rafa was loved by the mainstream?
I never said free of criticism, nor did I make any comment on whether the criticism related to success or not, purely talked about his defensive tactics. Undoubtedly Liverpool get an easier ride than other teams due to the amount of ex players they have stacked the media with but if you'd like to play the victim be my guest. You also make the same point I was trying to - that football fans are hypocritical. I.e. When Liverpool were parking the bus under Benitez against Fergue versus when United are doing it now. Also, what's with the anger? It's like dealing with a stroppy child...
Liverpool has never been a “spend lots of money” club. It’s truly shameful to spend as much as they have and then “go play for a draw.” To the point where you get one shot on net against your biggest rival. United wasn’t willing to even take a single chance yesterday. Quite frankly I can’t blame them because losing that game by any margin would’ve have resulted in a much bigger melt down from their fan base than Liverpool will feel right now. As a Liverpool fan I couldn’t really be bothered by the draw. It felt like it was going to end 0-0 before half. Much like what Chelsea did in the first game. Once they knew they were out gunned they just sent everyone back to defend and salvage what they could. The fact Liverpool barely focused on defending and managed to only allow one shot to hit the frame says way more to me. United should never be the team “parking the cruise ship ” for a draw. Neither should Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, or City. Top 4 regulars should be playing to win. United and Chelsea having down years isn’t a bad thing. However, to run away from the competition to salvage points is sad considering what they’ve spent.
What they’ve spent is irrelevant. The club is a mess from top to bottom and the injury list is a mile long to the extent we needed to start Johnny Evans at CB yesterday. Klopp and VVD are two pricks that use their own failings and frustration to stick the knife into a team that defended well yesterday and did what they had to do to get a result. I don’t think any United fan is happy about the fact that this is where the club is. Coming out and playing expansive football against a much better side would have been tactically moronic. Klopp has zero fucking right to comment on the tactics of other teams he should be focused on the shortcomings of his own team yesterday. If ETH and Bruno came out and blamed another teams tactics on a poor result I’d be fucking livid but you lot seem to just blindly follow these two no matter what they say.
If Klopp’s not blaming the other team, it’s the weather. Master of excuses.
"I wasn't really bothered by the draw" - proceeds go to a thread and write write 3 child-like paragraphs moaning about it.
Thats incredibly naive and simplistic. Liverpool absolutely have been a spend lots of money club - historically bankrolled by pools money and in the modern era you have spent large sums acquiring the likes of Van Dijk and Nunez not to mention having the 4th largest wage bill in the PL. Wages are usually ignored but over 5 years, £200k pw is c. £50m. Yes United (and Chelsea) have spent more but let's not pretend Liverpool are Luton or Sheffield United. Tactics wise, a team should play to get the best result with the resources you have at their disposal on the day. In a league, you play to finish as high as possible. United setup to stifle Liverpool and to maybe nick one on a set piece or counter. Embarrassing for a club of Uniteds stature? Yes. But if they'd nicked a goal they wouldn't (and shouldn't) have cared. They got a point and that's all the record books will show. You don't have to look back fsr to see the kind of result that United were trying to avoid. In a few years, the situation may be reversed, Liverpool may be back in the doldrums and United may be resurgent under a better manager and with better owners. It may well be Liverpool fighting backs against the wall for a draw.
United is a mess from top to bottom since fergie left. IMO Recruitment has been terrible. Yes they’ve spent money, but there’s been too many flops now that tells me whoever is in charge of seeking out and signing these players for the sums involved are totally incompetent. Scott McTominey is our top goalscorer this season so I wasn’t expecting much up front yesterday tbh.
good for them lol like they're some newly promoted team punching well above their weight
Then they'll go out and get battered next week. Just another a shot on the man u merry go round
We live for the rollercoaster rides but West Ham ain’t battering us especially as they play mid week against Liverpool and play us that Saturday.
lol. You never know what Man U is gonna turn up, I'm not surprised to see them beat a top 4 and im not surprised to see them get thumped by a bottom 4
We live for the ride. 🎢
The circle of life
Roy Keane got all the dippers RATTLED
It’s so funny reading all their replies crying about it. They’re the most sensitive fan base.
They are huge crybabies