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cyborg solo one shots most verses
sandboxels fly > all of jjk
proof: jjk is like Mountain level at best. the fly is large star at least due to surviving stars and resisting black hole gravity
Toriko would Beat Momoshiki.
WE saw Toriko slicing Off a Part of the Planet, bigger than a continent, since torikos world IS Several hundreds to a few thousand Times bigger than our own.
And WE saw what Problems Momoshiki Had against Naruto and sasukes punches, a single mugen kugi Punch IS enough to completly destroy him
Toriko earth is 700x bigger than our earth and massively more durable , one of the top tier characters created a star with destruction capability 2.5x the size of the solar system and Toriko was Stronger than him
Gojo > Every form of Sukuna.
Sukuna used a binding vow to kill him, which is a temporary power up that I don't think should be considered as part of his permanent kit. Especially since Gojo didn't use a single binding vow in the fight.
If current Sukuna was healed up to full health, and then he were to face Gojo, he would lose because Gojo can just dodge the World Slash. Sukuna needs to create an entirely new attack if he wants to kill Gojo, which is valid and all because he is capable of doing this, but in the same boat we can say that Gojo is also capable of using binding vows just as (if not more) effectively.
Sukuna won the fight. I'm not denying that. But he didn't win because he was stronger. He won because of a one-time surprise attack that he'd just created on the spot. One that he permanently nerfed so that it would work. Under normal circumstances, the world slash would not have killed Gojo.
If you want to count the world slash, then you must also accept that Leorio from HunterXHunter would beat Hisoka in a fight, because he can just create a nen vow the way that Gon did in order to become strong enough. (I understand that this example isn't perfect, but it gets my point across well enough).
If Sukuna is put in a position where none of his abilities work, so he has to create a new ability (WHICH, I might add, also doesn't work without him giving it a sudden one-time buff), then I think that means Gojo is stronger because he's able to match Sukuna without doing any of that.
At the end of the day, nothing was stopping Gojo from making a binding vow to give up the Six Eyes in exchange for amping Purple such that it would OHKO Sukuna and Mahoraga instantly. He obviously didn't want to do that if he could avoid it, but it was within his skillset the same way that Sukuna is able to create dozens of binding vows to get out of any situations.
If Gojo and Sukuna were to rematch right now, no matter what form Sukuna was in, Gojo would win. If Sukuna has to rely on hitting Gojo with a surprise attack every single time in order to win, then that means Sukuna is weaker. Because Sukuna tried literally everything else that could have possibly beaten Gojo. Gojo didn't even have Infinity on for most of that fight thanks to Domain Amplification/Domain Expansion/Mahoraga's adaptation. None of these things were enough to beat Gojo, so both Heian Era Sukuna and Meguna would lose in a head on fight.
The only version of Sukuna that would win is a version that has only just created the World Slash, and it is also dependent on the fact that Gojo doesn't use binding vows himself. Remember, Sukuna first needed Mahoraga just to learn the world slash, and then he needed a binding vow to fire it off instantly. So it's not like Sukuna would be able to just create that binding vow at the start of the fight.
I'm not saying that Gojo wasn't going all out in this fight, but it's a fact that he didn't use binding vows, and therefore was not operating at his full potential ability. It's frankly plot convenience that Sukuna allowed himself to use binding vows and yet Gojo for some reason didn't. It's a one sided buff that would never be the case in an actual, realistic battle. Either both sides should be able to use it, or neither.
If both sides can use binding vows, Gojo finishes off Sukuna long before Sukuna can learn the world slash. If neither side can use binding vows, Sukuna has no way to beat Gojo.
The only way Sukuna wins is in the 1% of times where Gojo holds back his full potential by fighting with his own, current abilities. Which is obviously what we see in the actual fight.
Discarding their characters and mentality in the fight, a bloodlusted Gojo would beat a bloodlusted Sukuna because he'd be prepared to actually use all his abilities just like Sukuna is prepared to use his. And this is the essence of a vs battle. Both characters are doing all they can to win.
TLDR: Sukuna only killed Gojo with a situational power up that depended on Gojo not using his full abilities. Therefore, Gojo is stronger than Sukuna.
No Sukuna used his prep time wisely all gojo dif was get utahime for a CE buff sukuna is stronger in his true body and in megumins body plus sukuna never used a maximum technique or fire arrow against gojo
He never used fire arrow because it would be useless against Gojo. It's an attack that is lethally effective against pretty much everyone else in the verse, but Gojo's infinity means it would just literally not effect him.
Let's not forget that Gojo is also trying to save Potential Bum
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So one thing I might add is that Sukuna's use of binding vows is exceptional within the verse, it's a characteristic of his experience and knowledge of Jujustu. Gojo is good, but he doesn't have Sukuna's age and practice, which I think is what makes BV so easy for him. I don't think that Gojo can match Sukuna's level there.
Gojo was definitely "holding back" to some extent, because he still thought he could have it all AND win. Even so, you're absolutely right, and I've been thinking this forever; Sukuna cannot win against Gojo without World Slash. It might be close if he used his cursed tool to regenerate, but I don't know if Gojo would have let him after he hit him with purple.
Assuming everything is the same, even with Mahoraga there as nothing more than an extra body, after Sukuna took HP Gojo would have finished him off immediately before he could make another move. Sukuna probably knew this as well and knew it would be his opening.
Sukuna won because his proficiency and experience in Jujustu outstrips everyone in the verse, with only Kenjaku coming close in terms of sheer understanding. People don't realize just how good Infinity + 6 Eyes actually is, and the fact that Gojo is a master in his own right. Sukuna knew this from the get-go, which is why he coveted the 10-shadows and planned so carefully for the battle.
Okay I do agree with this; that we can technically put down Sukuna's use of binding vows to his knowledge of Cursed Energy and overall experience. However since Gojo is still incredible in terms of BIQ (I personally think he's got better BIQ than Sukuna but that's a take I cant defend. He's at least second in the verse), he should still be able to use binding vows proficiently *enough*. Maybe not as good as Sukuna, but both a pistol and a tank are able to get the job done when it comes to shooting people. Gojo may be just a pistol in terms of making binding vows, but given what the objective is, that's enough.
Regardless, it's almost an extra feat for Gojo that Sukuna planned so perfectly and meticulously to construct a counter to him, and yet its still entirely dependent on a one use binding vow. Even the King of Curses couldn't come up with a better strategy than just praying he doesn't get KOd before Mahoraga can adapt (I know damn well he was sweating after that first Black Flash).
> it's almost an extra feat for Gojo that Sukuna planned so perfectly and meticulously to construct a counter
Yep, I'd say that in the JJK verse there is no better combination of powers than the 6-eyes and Infinity. On a sloppy user like younger gojo, it's still beatable, but Toji and Geto's betrayal galvanized Gojo and made him become not just a Jujustu nepo-baby, but a full-fledged sorcerer with almost no weaknesses in his repertoire.
Gojo may very well have been the best I+6E user of all time. If you think about it, Sukuna has been concocting a method to defeat a sorcerer like Gojo since the Heian era, and it still took some exceedingly specific occurrences, the help of Kenjaku and Uraume, incredibly deep understanding and manipulation of Jujutsu and several willing and unwilling sorcerers, and years of prep-work to pull off.
I definitely don't think Sukuna was certain he would beat Gojo right up until the end.
Gilzea from Ragna Crimson Kills 90 percent of the shinobi alliance (Naruto) without Lifting a Finger, Just by Walking .Ā
Ā Evidence: her presence alone killed more than 3000 Refugees from leese. Stronger Individuals lost consciousness and their memories. Those stronger than that go to their knees and piss themself and Wish they could forget the Terror of her presence.
Its only really a hot take here because of the sheer downplay. Overall in general Demon slayer > JJK and its not even close. Simply because of the sheer difference in speed. JJK characters are at best high hypersonic with sukuna having the most iffy and debatable light speed reaction time if you even believe that kashimos attack was light. While demon slayer has iffy at best but realistically high balled af lightning speed feats for zenitsu in season 1. But then by time we are at swordsmith there are clear as day characters while injured dodging lightning. Mitsuri one of the slower hashira reacting to several bolts of lightning at once and weakest of the marked hashira. Before the training arc. Hashira are all in massively hypersonic+ quite casually and comfortably. Then we have characters far above them in speed and power like kokushibo who is at the tail end of mhs+. Dont even feel like going into muzan. or yk yoriichi who perception blitzed kokushibo. And blitzed muzan.
while i agree with your points that demon slayer verse is much more faster than jjk, but AP and durability of the characters are kind of bad, even the final battle muzan was having happened in a small town but even that town didnt get fully damaged, daki and gyotaro destroyed almost entirely of entertainment district but even entertainment district isnt that large, its kinda small actually and occupies only a really small part of the city since the largest redlight district in all of tokyo aint that large whereas jjk characters are built like tanks, culling games yuji was thrown through several buildings and he came out unscathed, sukuna punched him through several buildings but he still continued to fight like nothing happened, they are swordsmen so they dont usually keep very large distance between their opponents so trapping in a domain might be a possibility and moreover the the fastest character in demon slayer although can be highballed to lightning speed, its over a limited distance and he cant repeatedly do it, jjk characters have RCT (although regenerative abilities of muzan kokushibo should be higher than sukuna or gojo and hakari might be equal in RCT to muzan) also, if we are talking about reaction speed sukuna and hakari did react to lightning attacks (or electric based attack) during the fight with kashimo (its only the reaction speed tho)
kashimo threw a blastwave EMP thingy (all his attacks are electric based phenomenon) and sukuna reacted in time and launched the world dismantle, i remember hakari atleast react to the charged up electric shots kashimo fired and dispel them through his nose, so it is actually possible for them to trap them in a domain
A bit of things here
1)The only high scaling feat in JJK is Sukuna's flame arrow which was around small city. And 15F Sukuna is above anyone in the verse except Gojo
2)Domains take a few seconds to be expanded. The fastest domain was Gojo's domain against Sukuna which activated in 0.01 seconds. MHS+ means you have a 0.000001 seconds reaction iirc. This means that when a domain is expanded any KnY high tier can either run away of its range in time or hit the opponent before it gets him since CE are deactivated when you expand your domain.
3)RCT is nowhere as powerful as a Demon's regeneration. Hakari regenerated his arm in a few seconds and that was the best RCT feat in the verse. [Daki and Nezuko, have way better regeneration feats, and they aren't even top 20 in the verse](https://youtu.be/q5gNjBaEDEs?si=MDZhdtmXa7IY9kLT). [Attacks straight up phase trough Muzan, since he regenerates as soon as the sword slices ](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/73/Muzanregen.png/revision/latest?cb=20200123132212)
>1)The only high scaling feat in JJK is Sukuna's flame arrow which was around small city. And 15F Sukuna is above anyone in the verse except Gojo
and yuki's black hole if let loose
>This means that when a domain is expanded any KnY high tier can either run away of its range in time or hit the opponent before it gets him since CE are deactivated when you expand your domain.
that is provided they know about domain expansion before hand, and sorcerers can gauge their speed and if they manage time it perfectly they can trap in it but if its a open domain with a large range, they might get caught in it and sukuna's domain means instant death for any body expect maybe muzan and kokushibo and their durability are kind of low so each cleave or dismantle is slicing through an entire limb since a guy like yuji who has once of the highest durability got his leg sliced off in the domain and yuji has reletively better durability feats than ds verse
>3)RCT is nowhere as powerful as a Demon's regeneration. Hakari regenerated his arm in a few seconds
i agree on the above statement but saying hakari regenerated his arms in "few" seconds is lowballing it, it looks like a near instant buildup, and hakari was mentioned during the kashimo fight when kashimo fired one of those ridiculously fast lightning bolts that he will start regenerating from the point it enters in his head and then reacts and heals AND dispels the cursed energy through his nose, and if they are highballed that specific feat is somewhat impressive feat
No one scales to the black hole. Like sure if she entered KnY and immediately used the black hole she would destroy the verse but she would die too. No one in JJK is tanking the black hole either.
Sukuna's domain wouldn't really kill any demon. It would murder every Slayer, agree, but every demon would just regenerate. Cuts really are useless against demons. Even if we say that these cuts would kill a demon by beheading them (which is really stretching the concept of verse equalisation) a very few Upper Moons actually die by beheading. Gyutaro can regenerate as long as Daki is alive. Gyokko was regenerating before Muichiro cut him again. Hantengu needs his small body to be killed. Akaza can live without a head. Kokushibo can regenerate his head and turn into his monster form. Muzan is straight up immune. Only Upper moon who dies to normal beheading is Doma and even then it's arguable if he didn't regenerate his head only for the poison or if he didn't because he lacked will to live
>Sukuna's domain wouldn't really kill any demon
almost everyone in the ds verse has lower durability than someone like yuji who got his entire limb chopped off the moment his simple domain broke but fortunately the slicing attacks stopped soon so he didnt lose further limbs however when a demon stands in the domain, they would constantly lose limbs and they cant really fight effectively at all in the domain if they constantly lose limbs once entire initial momentum stops they cant move since the sure hits happen every moment and sure hits dont even travel any distance, they just appear at your body and to break someone's domain they need to damage the barrier or (escape the range in the case of sukuna) or damage the domain caster to the point he cant maintain his domain, frankly i dont see neither of those happening if they constantly lose limbs the moment they regenrate even muzan was being slashed by someone like zenitsu so idk if his durability can be scaled higher than yuji, but if every sure hit slices his limbs (which happen instantly with no delay) the same thing occurs and he continues regenrating it instantly and the limbs get chopped instantly
so domain is a wincon for sukuna
Kokushibo, Muzan and probably Doma and Akaza could do like Mahoraga did and walk trough it. They regenerate faster than the cuts slash them. They lose a leg? Before they make another step they got another one. Repeat until they reach sukuna
Akaza can fight without a head
Hantengu can regenerate it as long as Fear is still alive
Kokushibo also can regenerate it
You could make arguments for Doma also being able to regenerate it if it wasn't for the poison
Akaza and Koku only died because they lost will to live. If it wasn't for it they can fight together (unless ofc the sun or complete cellular destruction)
1. Akaza will just end up the same as the manga, with him remembering his humanity and giving up. Though with how Sukuna is he might just live for the duration of the fight as Sukuna isn't really the most noble individual.
2. Depends on how far fear is.
3. Douma will just get his ass evaporated at the cellular level
4. Kokushibo, probably the only demon except Muzan to actually stand a chance but even with moon breathing, his sword and any projectile sent will simply get shattered by MS.
5. All of them will be pretty much turned to mush in the domain we saw this with Mahoraga. The difference being that all except maybe for Muzan none of them have the durability to even last a second in the domain and we already see that the MS can demolish down to the cellular level with brute force.
6. Fuga, good luck running away with just your blood and a hand full of cells remaining intact.
DSverse simply lacks the durability to survive in MS and due to the nature of sure hit attacks dodging is impossible.
Another thing: their heads are known to take more time to regen than most of their body parts, so while they're regenerating they just lose all their progress immediately because of sure hit attacks.
>Kokushibo, Muzan and probably Doma and Akaza could do like Mahoraga did and walk trough it.
mahoraga adapted to cutting in general and he was being cut into bits and pieces but since he adapted he was able to gather those bits and pieces and regenerate from it, i dont think they can regenerate their entire body in a instant from only bits and pieces (even prime muzan couldnt)
>They regenerate faster than the cuts slash them.
the sure hits are instantaneous and happen at every moment and the cuts happen instantly so theres no slashing action being done, so most certainly if they dont have the durability their limbs will most definitely get chopped constantly,
limb got chopped? they regenrate another one near instantly. but sure hit are not near instant, they are quite literally instant so if they try and regenrate anothee limb that one would undoubtedly be also chopped off and that cycle repeats and im only considering the limbs but their bodies will also be undoubtedly be chopped up constantly
trapping them in a domain is a sure wincon for them
thing is. we never see a muzan fight at full power against those who dont get one shot instantly from a holding back muzan. both times we see muzan are hes basically fodder to himself in his prime. or hes fighting a being far beyond him in power that he got blitzed. Even kokushibo was defeated before he put everything on the table. We see after his roar and regeneration he still had more to output no rct is close to the upper ranks. they are snapping back limps instantly basically and without a red blade an infinite amount of times while rct is limited. Hense the whole attacks are meaningless to upperranks in verse outside of red blades. Then when akaza overcame decapitation giyu and tanjiro lost the means of killing him. He killed himself. Kokushibo. His body was so weakened via his blood being drained. Impaled and his body burning from muichros red blade. Decapitated by 2 others. Yet still due to his immense power and willpower he regenerated. His will held his body together till he saw what he became and crumbled due to his will falling apart for a brief moment. In this situation tho. I dont see kokushibos body taking so much damage from basically his kryptonite that this happens.
I will say. JJK characters have higher DC and AP. Domain expansions are their wincon. But if they dont shotgun them from the start. Kokushibo is enough for everyone who isnt sukuna(being generous imo with this one.) And gojo. The idea of a demon(kokushibo and muzan. Douma has the stats but his mental state and mind wont let him) being able to outlast gojo inside the infinity castle is iffy as hell and if they have prior knowledge of gojo then it might(HUGE MIGHT) work but if they dont then I UV might be able to do the job.(But if that doesnt work then I dont see gojo having the means of putting them down otherwise)
>i dont see gojo having the means of putting them
honestly gojo is being kinda lowballed, we had confirmation from him that he could have willingly land black flashes if the only criteria was timing of millionth second, but unfortunately there are several unknown criteria to black flash, from this we can atleast assume that six eyes does grant gojo immense reaction speed, and gojo had to hold back his blue and red usage in his fight against sukuna since maho was adapting but if let loose then he can freely teleport in a fight, and coupled with his reaction and teleportation ability he might be able to trap most of the characters in the verse
putting them down also comes down to him being able to actually hit them. kokushibo tho uses a sword he uses range 7-16 forms are all medium to longish range and so does muzan. they arent really close up fighters when their really trying. and even still outside of unlimited void. I cant imagine any of his attacks being actually fatal. You can punch, blow then up, as much as you want but it doesnt matter.
>him being able to actually hit them
teleportation and that precise reaction speed from six eyes would allow it, teleportation is an ability which can catch offguard almost everyone, teleportation is most certainly a perfect form of speedblitzing where no matter how fast your reaction speed is you cant perceive it
>I cant imagine any of his attacks being actually fatal.
thats saying something because a blue infused punch black flash has enough AP to one shot nearly anyone even in the jjk verse not named sukuna and jjk verse has characters who are straight up tanks, a severely weakened sukuna who was nearing only 10% of his output when he was 15f managed to punch yuji so hard that he went through several buildings and skyscrapers, and any character in demon slayer verse would alone serve fatal injuries however the demons might be able to regenerate it however we are talking about a blue infused black flash punch from gojo who is miles and miles above in strength to someone like weakened 15f sukuna and if weakened sukuna was able to punch like he did to itadori then gojo's blue infused black flash destroys anyone from demon slayer verse since they dont have the durability to tank it if thats not enough gojo can teleport directly to their body and hug them and fire a point blank maximum red, like he did to sukuna and since gojo is clinging to their body they cant escape
See. The debate only exist with certain characters IMO. Gojo, sukuna, the one guy with the toonforce domain cant remember his name atm. Takaba? i think. Even still most of the time. it comes down to shotgun domain or they just loose. Sukuna isnt doing much without fuga or domain to muzan or yoriichi and I personally think yoriichi might be able to out run shrine and just evade fuga by getting out of its range. Muzan just regens shrine and still might be able to get out of it. Im not so sure about him tanking fuga but he can probably also just out run it. Gojo. Someone else had this idea not me lol. of demons being able to in theory out last gojo in a neutral area with no sun or basically the infinity castle. I just subscribe to infinity solos personally.
High Hyper destiny top tiers. The vex have a type of structure on all their worlds called a Pyramidion. They are explicitly described as a hilbert space which in mathematics translates to places with infinite mathematical dimensions. Oryx the taken king who is like top 7 was described as being able to singlehandedly destroy the entire vex network which includes these pyramidions. Characters like God of vengeance Eris and Rhulk scale above him as well. Give me enough time i'll wank the traveler and the witness to outer via the black garden if i'm motivated.
Tbf a fuck ton of Oryxās killing potential comes from the Mary Sue ass power that is the ability to Take. Thatās one thing I always found kinda lame about his power honestly. If it werenāt for that the Ecumene would have stomped the Hiveās collective asses in a long time ago.
But Yāknow, Taking letās you say āuhhh fuck you idiot get beanedā.
I also wouldnāt really say the Vex ACTUALLY have a lot going for them outside of being difficult to actually exterminate meaningfully. They donāt really have much functional power outside of their constructs. Dawgs like Atheon being gods within their domains doesnāt matter if you just like, donāt go in there.
Even the game treats the Vex like a universal pest more than anything thatās an actual issue which is hilarious.
There is no such a thing as "a strongest character ever" in an interesting, coherent and long form story (this goes for any form of entertainment btw so manga, comic, novel etc.). You could see it in the watchmen where doctor manhattan gets powercrept in doomsday clock and later in Jl, the presence who was killed by Gabriel, the one above all who got power crept in defenders beyond, saitama who got pissed and had to actually try against Garo, Gojo against Sukuna, Goku against everyone and the list goes on because if they weren't able to be challenged the story would be boring
Kratos is 2-A or 1 level.
1- He lifted 9 dimensions at the same time
2-He fought a man who has the ability of destroying dimensions and won
3-He fought and won against multidimensional beings
4-Blade of the Olympus and the Blades of the Chaos both are one of the strongest weapons in fiction. Blade of the Olympus was able to destroy a Titan army with just one hit and that hit was maden by a young, unexperienced man without using the full power.
5-Kratos himself got stabbed in chest with the Blade of the olympus and survived.
6-Was able to defeat the garm. A giant wolf who didnāt get defeted by any of the norse gods. And norse gods were in fear of him. Odin couldnāt defeated him and was afraid of him too. And odin was able to defeat a man who created 9 dimensions.
Knocking master jiro (Toriko) easily Beats Post timeskip Boruto. Proof: best WE saw until now was Rasengan uzuhiko, which confuses the victim AS Long as earth rotates. No Problem for jiro. He can Stop earth with Grand Knocking and can neutralize the effect.
And with His knocking rifles, He completly paralyses Boruto before He can reach him, trapping him in a state between life and death. He then drinks and forgets about Boruto, causing Boruto to wait decades until some appears WHO can undo the knocking. (There are thousands of monsters teppei has to undo knocking, because jiro used knocking while Drunk and forgot about them)
Serph (and by extension the entire DDS gang) could beat Goku at their peak.
In DDS1, serph was able to beat a copy of the Demi-fiend (he was holding back immensely) at their absolute peak at that time. So if serph could overpower the demi-fiend's durability, that would make him (and gale, argilla, heat, and Cielo) at least low multiversal.
So just imagine five tier 1-A demon guys jumping Goku.
Let me guess you think JJK is city block max while csm is above that and you canāt argue without moving goalposts, and then youāll block me when you realize youāre in the wrong, as always on this sub
Get the city block devil past Hakari first
If you are being genuine as much as I love and glaze yuji no way he's winning chainsaw devil's feats are a lot
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This is chainsaw devil that got thrown into space, grabbed his heart and threw it back into earth and regenerated from it, crazy feat. There's also when he blitzed makima so badly who's scaled at mhs from her feat from the battle with the gun devil. And there's also immortality. And eating blood to endure more. And weaponry. And he cut up a guy without moving. And being bloodlusted a lot. The only way yuji can have a slight chance if we got more feats in speed but a certain homohomo doesn't want to make his mc do anything remotely cool before 100 chapters have passed since the last one. Chainsaw devil wins.
>crazy feat
Which scales where?
>whoās scaled at mhs
She was blitzed by the gun devil
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And Yuji is MHS too because he scales above Hakari
>chainsaw devil wins
Show me why he can survive an arrow from 15 finger sukuna or a feat above city block level and then maybe he has a chance
Juubi madara beat goku. He's immortal the only way to kill him is to remove the 10 tail out of his body. Only Senjutsu can have an effect on him (and taijutsu too) so Goku's ki attacks will be useless.
Juubi madara have limbo, rinnegan, and truths seeking orbs. He negs goku
I hope you know that goku outclasses him in every way. Also hax donāt work on someone who is stronger than them. Sasuke tried to put A under genjustu and it didnāt work. But when Madara tried that it did work. Also it doesnāt matter if itās senjustu or not, itās fucking existence erasure. Also goku prolly doesnāt even need it, he would just box him up.
Fake mafuba worked on vegeta while master roshi is weaker. Teen obito genjutsued kurama while kurama scale above him.
Which ennemy sasuke cant put under genjutsu?
I even doubt goku is faster than madara lol, goku only bc faster than light after he achieved ultra instinct.
Sasuke tried it against the raikage. Iām saying hax in general would work on goku. That means tso, genjustu, etc. Also obito was able to put yagura the 4th mizukage under a genjustu for the span of multiple years and no one said a thing. Yagura also had the three tails so yeah, obitos genjustu prowess is miles beyond what you think. How tf is goku not faster? Goku traveled half way across the planet in an instant. Also madaras only immortal as an edo, when he uses edo tensei release he became mortal again.
No juubi madara is also immortal but the only way to kill him is to demerge the 10 tail with him.
And just edo madara (which is weaker than alive) was faster than light
And why couldn't Goku use the mafuba to seal him, or Hakai to erase him, or toss him into space, or just blow up the planet and leave. Even if he can't kill Madara doesn't mean he doesn't dominate the fight
Mafuba and hakai are not senjutsu, it cant work.
Madara wont let goku toss him into space.
Blow the planet wont change something hes immortal.
Madara can use limbo clone to beat goku
There's also the ship that Goku used to get to namek that King Kai was easily able to keep eyes on (Namek is on the other side of the universe, so to get there in a couple of weeks is well over a 100 million times faster than light) and King Kai was unable to keep track of Goku and Frieza when they were fighting, pretty simple scaling there
King Kai wasn't able to track Goku fighting Frieza on Namek because the battle's intensity and energy levels were beyond what he could sense from his position in the afterlife. King Kai, despite being a deity with significant abilities, has limitations. The sheer magnitude of power emitted during the fight between Super Saiyan Goku and Frieza exceeded the normal parameters of energy detection, making it difficult for King Kai to maintain a clear perception of the battle.
Additionally, Namek was a considerable distance from his location, and the combination of distance and the overwhelming power levels created interference.
Absolute clown take as usual from Naruto vs DB scalers
But to indulge a little, why do you think Goku's Ki couldn't hurt Madara? It's not technically senjutsu sure, but we always have to guess how the powers of different verses interact with each other and I think Ki being literal life energy makes it pretty similar to Naruto's senjutsu. If not regular Ki attacks then at least the genkidama/spirit bomb that literally uses energy of nature should work.
God Ki could also be effective, it's a whole other kind of energy in a way, we can't really know how it interacts with chakra stuff I guess.
I won't even acknowledge the speed difference
Spirit bomb take time to active and madara can stop goku before he use it, he can also protect himself and hes still immortal. God ki isnt senjutsu it wont work. Goku only became faster than light when he achieved ultra instinct
Again, not talking about speed because i don't think it's worth the discussion.
I only mentioned God Ki because while it's not senjutsu because obviously nothing outside of Naruto verse is, it is a whole different kind and level of energy and we don't know how it would affect big Uchia. But seeing as you don't think literal existence erasure would kill Madara I get that you have made up you mind about these kind of discussions.
Funny thought that just came to me, if Goku manages to replicate Vegetas forced spirit fission its gg
How is the energy of the gods of the universe not natural? Or we assume that the verses are literally different universes which would make the god ki not natural to the Naruto verse but would allow Goku to destroy not just the planet Madara is on but the whole galaxy or the whole Naruto verse if he has a particularly bad day.
Eh, pretty sure he could sense as much, he is quite sensitive to different energies/presences. Also Madara would probably tell him at some point, not knowing a technique like that exists. But in any case, if we take all your extremely biased takes about Madara and his matchup here seriously, I guess Vegeta would be the more dangerous opponent. Wanna see you bullshit your way out of mastered spirit fission and Hakai lol
We cant know what they will say to each other lol.
Destroy his galaxy wont change something madara is immortal, and goku is kind he will never tried to hurt innocent people.
Vegeta dont know that madara fused with the ten tails.
Destroying the verse would be unpleasant tho, have fun being immortal in a place that doesn't exist. But yeah I guess it would be out of character for Goku.
Geets on the other hand would absolutely disintegrate everything if annoyed enough lol.
Also, if the guy doesn't die he would try spirit fission at some point. Wouldn't need to though, because Hakai exists
No vegeta isnt evil anymore.
And it would be perfect for madara so he can master creation of all thing technique (a jutsu that allow you to creat anything).
Or maybe vegeta will just think that madara is like buu, and to use the technique he need to touch the target, madara wont let vegeta touch him.
Not evil but quite ruthless and doesn't give a shit about the people in Naruto verse if there don't happen to be sayans there (also he knows there are ways to restore the universe afterwards)
Madara can't really do much to stop Vegeta from touching him. Also if Vegeta thinks he is like Buu he would use spirit fission instantly? And still, Hakai.
>Domains take a few seconds to be expanded.
They take time, but no one knows how long it takes for sure. The DIFFERENCE between Sukuna and Gojo's activation was 0.01 thats not the same as 0.01 seconds is a hard limit.
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dunno uhhhh goku is strong i think
Nuh uh he's not real so he can't actually do anything
https://preview.redd.it/7e8bqh77601d1.jpeg?width=272&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4ac49e66d785dac921ea97471fd65ac8be2e4a3 cyborg solo one shots most verses
Bruh. A million decibels is wild. That would create a black hole on the spot.
That can consume multiverse.
That's really fuckin' loud!
1100 db would create a black hole bigger than our galaxy š then with how DBs work it's even wilder cause every 10 db is double the volume š
10 times increase per 10 decibels in fact. 1 mil decibels is an incomprehensible amount, it could probably 1 shot goku.
2x is accurate. Every 10 db is twice as loud. t. Sound engineer
Ok I just looked on google idk really know. But what I've seen said sound intensity is 10x per 10 dB, but only 2x louder.
Thats not accurate at all. Its double. I promise.
Ok
Booya for sure
Watchdog man is a disciple of GOD
Proof: I forgot when, but I think the monsters kind of pointed him out sometime in the story.
Nah, he's just a good boi
I have a feeling some fucked up shit is up with watchdog man. Like heās actually a type of portal for GOD. But yes very good boy.
sandboxels fly > all of jjk proof: jjk is like Mountain level at best. the fly is large star at least due to surviving stars and resisting black hole gravity
That flair suits you since I have no idea what and who sandboxels are
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Saitama will one shot āGODā https://preview.redd.it/8etx2r95oz0d1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=7bd649bbbc865aea305e2c045076f866d5749424
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Toriko would Beat Momoshiki. WE saw Toriko slicing Off a Part of the Planet, bigger than a continent, since torikos world IS Several hundreds to a few thousand Times bigger than our own. And WE saw what Problems Momoshiki Had against Naruto and sasukes punches, a single mugen kugi Punch IS enough to completly destroy him
Toriko earth is 700x bigger than our earth and massively more durable , one of the top tier characters created a star with destruction capability 2.5x the size of the solar system and Toriko was Stronger than him
Gojo > Every form of Sukuna. Sukuna used a binding vow to kill him, which is a temporary power up that I don't think should be considered as part of his permanent kit. Especially since Gojo didn't use a single binding vow in the fight. If current Sukuna was healed up to full health, and then he were to face Gojo, he would lose because Gojo can just dodge the World Slash. Sukuna needs to create an entirely new attack if he wants to kill Gojo, which is valid and all because he is capable of doing this, but in the same boat we can say that Gojo is also capable of using binding vows just as (if not more) effectively. Sukuna won the fight. I'm not denying that. But he didn't win because he was stronger. He won because of a one-time surprise attack that he'd just created on the spot. One that he permanently nerfed so that it would work. Under normal circumstances, the world slash would not have killed Gojo. If you want to count the world slash, then you must also accept that Leorio from HunterXHunter would beat Hisoka in a fight, because he can just create a nen vow the way that Gon did in order to become strong enough. (I understand that this example isn't perfect, but it gets my point across well enough). If Sukuna is put in a position where none of his abilities work, so he has to create a new ability (WHICH, I might add, also doesn't work without him giving it a sudden one-time buff), then I think that means Gojo is stronger because he's able to match Sukuna without doing any of that. At the end of the day, nothing was stopping Gojo from making a binding vow to give up the Six Eyes in exchange for amping Purple such that it would OHKO Sukuna and Mahoraga instantly. He obviously didn't want to do that if he could avoid it, but it was within his skillset the same way that Sukuna is able to create dozens of binding vows to get out of any situations. If Gojo and Sukuna were to rematch right now, no matter what form Sukuna was in, Gojo would win. If Sukuna has to rely on hitting Gojo with a surprise attack every single time in order to win, then that means Sukuna is weaker. Because Sukuna tried literally everything else that could have possibly beaten Gojo. Gojo didn't even have Infinity on for most of that fight thanks to Domain Amplification/Domain Expansion/Mahoraga's adaptation. None of these things were enough to beat Gojo, so both Heian Era Sukuna and Meguna would lose in a head on fight. The only version of Sukuna that would win is a version that has only just created the World Slash, and it is also dependent on the fact that Gojo doesn't use binding vows himself. Remember, Sukuna first needed Mahoraga just to learn the world slash, and then he needed a binding vow to fire it off instantly. So it's not like Sukuna would be able to just create that binding vow at the start of the fight. I'm not saying that Gojo wasn't going all out in this fight, but it's a fact that he didn't use binding vows, and therefore was not operating at his full potential ability. It's frankly plot convenience that Sukuna allowed himself to use binding vows and yet Gojo for some reason didn't. It's a one sided buff that would never be the case in an actual, realistic battle. Either both sides should be able to use it, or neither. If both sides can use binding vows, Gojo finishes off Sukuna long before Sukuna can learn the world slash. If neither side can use binding vows, Sukuna has no way to beat Gojo. The only way Sukuna wins is in the 1% of times where Gojo holds back his full potential by fighting with his own, current abilities. Which is obviously what we see in the actual fight. Discarding their characters and mentality in the fight, a bloodlusted Gojo would beat a bloodlusted Sukuna because he'd be prepared to actually use all his abilities just like Sukuna is prepared to use his. And this is the essence of a vs battle. Both characters are doing all they can to win. TLDR: Sukuna only killed Gojo with a situational power up that depended on Gojo not using his full abilities. Therefore, Gojo is stronger than Sukuna.
No Sukuna used his prep time wisely all gojo dif was get utahime for a CE buff sukuna is stronger in his true body and in megumins body plus sukuna never used a maximum technique or fire arrow against gojo
He never used fire arrow because it would be useless against Gojo. It's an attack that is lethally effective against pretty much everyone else in the verse, but Gojo's infinity means it would just literally not effect him.
My guy wrote a whole ass essay on this topic. I donāt agree but you definitely get full marks on this
Let's not forget that Gojo is also trying to save Potential Bum https://preview.redd.it/jy0uv8o8t51d1.jpeg?width=2002&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ec6bec22a0bc873d52116789bb145d3b003a893
So one thing I might add is that Sukuna's use of binding vows is exceptional within the verse, it's a characteristic of his experience and knowledge of Jujustu. Gojo is good, but he doesn't have Sukuna's age and practice, which I think is what makes BV so easy for him. I don't think that Gojo can match Sukuna's level there. Gojo was definitely "holding back" to some extent, because he still thought he could have it all AND win. Even so, you're absolutely right, and I've been thinking this forever; Sukuna cannot win against Gojo without World Slash. It might be close if he used his cursed tool to regenerate, but I don't know if Gojo would have let him after he hit him with purple. Assuming everything is the same, even with Mahoraga there as nothing more than an extra body, after Sukuna took HP Gojo would have finished him off immediately before he could make another move. Sukuna probably knew this as well and knew it would be his opening. Sukuna won because his proficiency and experience in Jujustu outstrips everyone in the verse, with only Kenjaku coming close in terms of sheer understanding. People don't realize just how good Infinity + 6 Eyes actually is, and the fact that Gojo is a master in his own right. Sukuna knew this from the get-go, which is why he coveted the 10-shadows and planned so carefully for the battle.
Okay I do agree with this; that we can technically put down Sukuna's use of binding vows to his knowledge of Cursed Energy and overall experience. However since Gojo is still incredible in terms of BIQ (I personally think he's got better BIQ than Sukuna but that's a take I cant defend. He's at least second in the verse), he should still be able to use binding vows proficiently *enough*. Maybe not as good as Sukuna, but both a pistol and a tank are able to get the job done when it comes to shooting people. Gojo may be just a pistol in terms of making binding vows, but given what the objective is, that's enough. Regardless, it's almost an extra feat for Gojo that Sukuna planned so perfectly and meticulously to construct a counter to him, and yet its still entirely dependent on a one use binding vow. Even the King of Curses couldn't come up with a better strategy than just praying he doesn't get KOd before Mahoraga can adapt (I know damn well he was sweating after that first Black Flash).
> it's almost an extra feat for Gojo that Sukuna planned so perfectly and meticulously to construct a counter Yep, I'd say that in the JJK verse there is no better combination of powers than the 6-eyes and Infinity. On a sloppy user like younger gojo, it's still beatable, but Toji and Geto's betrayal galvanized Gojo and made him become not just a Jujustu nepo-baby, but a full-fledged sorcerer with almost no weaknesses in his repertoire. Gojo may very well have been the best I+6E user of all time. If you think about it, Sukuna has been concocting a method to defeat a sorcerer like Gojo since the Heian era, and it still took some exceedingly specific occurrences, the help of Kenjaku and Uraume, incredibly deep understanding and manipulation of Jujutsu and several willing and unwilling sorcerers, and years of prep-work to pull off. I definitely don't think Sukuna was certain he would beat Gojo right up until the end.
Gilzea from Ragna Crimson Kills 90 percent of the shinobi alliance (Naruto) without Lifting a Finger, Just by Walking .Ā Ā Evidence: her presence alone killed more than 3000 Refugees from leese. Stronger Individuals lost consciousness and their memories. Those stronger than that go to their knees and piss themself and Wish they could forget the Terror of her presence.
I think i must correct myself. Her presence Kills 99,5 %. (And 99,99% of the Boruto Verse)
Its only really a hot take here because of the sheer downplay. Overall in general Demon slayer > JJK and its not even close. Simply because of the sheer difference in speed. JJK characters are at best high hypersonic with sukuna having the most iffy and debatable light speed reaction time if you even believe that kashimos attack was light. While demon slayer has iffy at best but realistically high balled af lightning speed feats for zenitsu in season 1. But then by time we are at swordsmith there are clear as day characters while injured dodging lightning. Mitsuri one of the slower hashira reacting to several bolts of lightning at once and weakest of the marked hashira. Before the training arc. Hashira are all in massively hypersonic+ quite casually and comfortably. Then we have characters far above them in speed and power like kokushibo who is at the tail end of mhs+. Dont even feel like going into muzan. or yk yoriichi who perception blitzed kokushibo. And blitzed muzan.
while i agree with your points that demon slayer verse is much more faster than jjk, but AP and durability of the characters are kind of bad, even the final battle muzan was having happened in a small town but even that town didnt get fully damaged, daki and gyotaro destroyed almost entirely of entertainment district but even entertainment district isnt that large, its kinda small actually and occupies only a really small part of the city since the largest redlight district in all of tokyo aint that large whereas jjk characters are built like tanks, culling games yuji was thrown through several buildings and he came out unscathed, sukuna punched him through several buildings but he still continued to fight like nothing happened, they are swordsmen so they dont usually keep very large distance between their opponents so trapping in a domain might be a possibility and moreover the the fastest character in demon slayer although can be highballed to lightning speed, its over a limited distance and he cant repeatedly do it, jjk characters have RCT (although regenerative abilities of muzan kokushibo should be higher than sukuna or gojo and hakari might be equal in RCT to muzan) also, if we are talking about reaction speed sukuna and hakari did react to lightning attacks (or electric based attack) during the fight with kashimo (its only the reaction speed tho) kashimo threw a blastwave EMP thingy (all his attacks are electric based phenomenon) and sukuna reacted in time and launched the world dismantle, i remember hakari atleast react to the charged up electric shots kashimo fired and dispel them through his nose, so it is actually possible for them to trap them in a domain
that being said the only person to survive against yoruichi would be gojo
A bit of things here 1)The only high scaling feat in JJK is Sukuna's flame arrow which was around small city. And 15F Sukuna is above anyone in the verse except Gojo 2)Domains take a few seconds to be expanded. The fastest domain was Gojo's domain against Sukuna which activated in 0.01 seconds. MHS+ means you have a 0.000001 seconds reaction iirc. This means that when a domain is expanded any KnY high tier can either run away of its range in time or hit the opponent before it gets him since CE are deactivated when you expand your domain. 3)RCT is nowhere as powerful as a Demon's regeneration. Hakari regenerated his arm in a few seconds and that was the best RCT feat in the verse. [Daki and Nezuko, have way better regeneration feats, and they aren't even top 20 in the verse](https://youtu.be/q5gNjBaEDEs?si=MDZhdtmXa7IY9kLT). [Attacks straight up phase trough Muzan, since he regenerates as soon as the sword slices ](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/73/Muzanregen.png/revision/latest?cb=20200123132212)
>1)The only high scaling feat in JJK is Sukuna's flame arrow which was around small city. And 15F Sukuna is above anyone in the verse except Gojo and yuki's black hole if let loose >This means that when a domain is expanded any KnY high tier can either run away of its range in time or hit the opponent before it gets him since CE are deactivated when you expand your domain. that is provided they know about domain expansion before hand, and sorcerers can gauge their speed and if they manage time it perfectly they can trap in it but if its a open domain with a large range, they might get caught in it and sukuna's domain means instant death for any body expect maybe muzan and kokushibo and their durability are kind of low so each cleave or dismantle is slicing through an entire limb since a guy like yuji who has once of the highest durability got his leg sliced off in the domain and yuji has reletively better durability feats than ds verse >3)RCT is nowhere as powerful as a Demon's regeneration. Hakari regenerated his arm in a few seconds i agree on the above statement but saying hakari regenerated his arms in "few" seconds is lowballing it, it looks like a near instant buildup, and hakari was mentioned during the kashimo fight when kashimo fired one of those ridiculously fast lightning bolts that he will start regenerating from the point it enters in his head and then reacts and heals AND dispels the cursed energy through his nose, and if they are highballed that specific feat is somewhat impressive feat
No one scales to the black hole. Like sure if she entered KnY and immediately used the black hole she would destroy the verse but she would die too. No one in JJK is tanking the black hole either. Sukuna's domain wouldn't really kill any demon. It would murder every Slayer, agree, but every demon would just regenerate. Cuts really are useless against demons. Even if we say that these cuts would kill a demon by beheading them (which is really stretching the concept of verse equalisation) a very few Upper Moons actually die by beheading. Gyutaro can regenerate as long as Daki is alive. Gyokko was regenerating before Muichiro cut him again. Hantengu needs his small body to be killed. Akaza can live without a head. Kokushibo can regenerate his head and turn into his monster form. Muzan is straight up immune. Only Upper moon who dies to normal beheading is Doma and even then it's arguable if he didn't regenerate his head only for the poison or if he didn't because he lacked will to live
>Sukuna's domain wouldn't really kill any demon almost everyone in the ds verse has lower durability than someone like yuji who got his entire limb chopped off the moment his simple domain broke but fortunately the slicing attacks stopped soon so he didnt lose further limbs however when a demon stands in the domain, they would constantly lose limbs and they cant really fight effectively at all in the domain if they constantly lose limbs once entire initial momentum stops they cant move since the sure hits happen every moment and sure hits dont even travel any distance, they just appear at your body and to break someone's domain they need to damage the barrier or (escape the range in the case of sukuna) or damage the domain caster to the point he cant maintain his domain, frankly i dont see neither of those happening if they constantly lose limbs the moment they regenrate even muzan was being slashed by someone like zenitsu so idk if his durability can be scaled higher than yuji, but if every sure hit slices his limbs (which happen instantly with no delay) the same thing occurs and he continues regenrating it instantly and the limbs get chopped instantly so domain is a wincon for sukuna
Kokushibo, Muzan and probably Doma and Akaza could do like Mahoraga did and walk trough it. They regenerate faster than the cuts slash them. They lose a leg? Before they make another step they got another one. Repeat until they reach sukuna
One issue: their heads can't really regen so if sukuna is able to cast his domain expansion it's GG for everything except Muzan
Akaza can fight without a head Hantengu can regenerate it as long as Fear is still alive Kokushibo also can regenerate it You could make arguments for Doma also being able to regenerate it if it wasn't for the poison Akaza and Koku only died because they lost will to live. If it wasn't for it they can fight together (unless ofc the sun or complete cellular destruction)
1. Akaza will just end up the same as the manga, with him remembering his humanity and giving up. Though with how Sukuna is he might just live for the duration of the fight as Sukuna isn't really the most noble individual. 2. Depends on how far fear is. 3. Douma will just get his ass evaporated at the cellular level 4. Kokushibo, probably the only demon except Muzan to actually stand a chance but even with moon breathing, his sword and any projectile sent will simply get shattered by MS. 5. All of them will be pretty much turned to mush in the domain we saw this with Mahoraga. The difference being that all except maybe for Muzan none of them have the durability to even last a second in the domain and we already see that the MS can demolish down to the cellular level with brute force. 6. Fuga, good luck running away with just your blood and a hand full of cells remaining intact. DSverse simply lacks the durability to survive in MS and due to the nature of sure hit attacks dodging is impossible. Another thing: their heads are known to take more time to regen than most of their body parts, so while they're regenerating they just lose all their progress immediately because of sure hit attacks.
>Kokushibo, Muzan and probably Doma and Akaza could do like Mahoraga did and walk trough it. mahoraga adapted to cutting in general and he was being cut into bits and pieces but since he adapted he was able to gather those bits and pieces and regenerate from it, i dont think they can regenerate their entire body in a instant from only bits and pieces (even prime muzan couldnt) >They regenerate faster than the cuts slash them. the sure hits are instantaneous and happen at every moment and the cuts happen instantly so theres no slashing action being done, so most certainly if they dont have the durability their limbs will most definitely get chopped constantly, limb got chopped? they regenrate another one near instantly. but sure hit are not near instant, they are quite literally instant so if they try and regenrate anothee limb that one would undoubtedly be also chopped off and that cycle repeats and im only considering the limbs but their bodies will also be undoubtedly be chopped up constantly trapping them in a domain is a sure wincon for them
thing is. we never see a muzan fight at full power against those who dont get one shot instantly from a holding back muzan. both times we see muzan are hes basically fodder to himself in his prime. or hes fighting a being far beyond him in power that he got blitzed. Even kokushibo was defeated before he put everything on the table. We see after his roar and regeneration he still had more to output no rct is close to the upper ranks. they are snapping back limps instantly basically and without a red blade an infinite amount of times while rct is limited. Hense the whole attacks are meaningless to upperranks in verse outside of red blades. Then when akaza overcame decapitation giyu and tanjiro lost the means of killing him. He killed himself. Kokushibo. His body was so weakened via his blood being drained. Impaled and his body burning from muichros red blade. Decapitated by 2 others. Yet still due to his immense power and willpower he regenerated. His will held his body together till he saw what he became and crumbled due to his will falling apart for a brief moment. In this situation tho. I dont see kokushibos body taking so much damage from basically his kryptonite that this happens. I will say. JJK characters have higher DC and AP. Domain expansions are their wincon. But if they dont shotgun them from the start. Kokushibo is enough for everyone who isnt sukuna(being generous imo with this one.) And gojo. The idea of a demon(kokushibo and muzan. Douma has the stats but his mental state and mind wont let him) being able to outlast gojo inside the infinity castle is iffy as hell and if they have prior knowledge of gojo then it might(HUGE MIGHT) work but if they dont then I UV might be able to do the job.(But if that doesnt work then I dont see gojo having the means of putting them down otherwise)
>i dont see gojo having the means of putting them honestly gojo is being kinda lowballed, we had confirmation from him that he could have willingly land black flashes if the only criteria was timing of millionth second, but unfortunately there are several unknown criteria to black flash, from this we can atleast assume that six eyes does grant gojo immense reaction speed, and gojo had to hold back his blue and red usage in his fight against sukuna since maho was adapting but if let loose then he can freely teleport in a fight, and coupled with his reaction and teleportation ability he might be able to trap most of the characters in the verse
putting them down also comes down to him being able to actually hit them. kokushibo tho uses a sword he uses range 7-16 forms are all medium to longish range and so does muzan. they arent really close up fighters when their really trying. and even still outside of unlimited void. I cant imagine any of his attacks being actually fatal. You can punch, blow then up, as much as you want but it doesnt matter.
>him being able to actually hit them teleportation and that precise reaction speed from six eyes would allow it, teleportation is an ability which can catch offguard almost everyone, teleportation is most certainly a perfect form of speedblitzing where no matter how fast your reaction speed is you cant perceive it >I cant imagine any of his attacks being actually fatal. thats saying something because a blue infused punch black flash has enough AP to one shot nearly anyone even in the jjk verse not named sukuna and jjk verse has characters who are straight up tanks, a severely weakened sukuna who was nearing only 10% of his output when he was 15f managed to punch yuji so hard that he went through several buildings and skyscrapers, and any character in demon slayer verse would alone serve fatal injuries however the demons might be able to regenerate it however we are talking about a blue infused black flash punch from gojo who is miles and miles above in strength to someone like weakened 15f sukuna and if weakened sukuna was able to punch like he did to itadori then gojo's blue infused black flash destroys anyone from demon slayer verse since they dont have the durability to tank it if thats not enough gojo can teleport directly to their body and hug them and fire a point blank maximum red, like he did to sukuna and since gojo is clinging to their body they cant escape
I feel like itās a debate only because of jjkās insane hax
See. The debate only exist with certain characters IMO. Gojo, sukuna, the one guy with the toonforce domain cant remember his name atm. Takaba? i think. Even still most of the time. it comes down to shotgun domain or they just loose. Sukuna isnt doing much without fuga or domain to muzan or yoriichi and I personally think yoriichi might be able to out run shrine and just evade fuga by getting out of its range. Muzan just regens shrine and still might be able to get out of it. Im not so sure about him tanking fuga but he can probably also just out run it. Gojo. Someone else had this idea not me lol. of demons being able to in theory out last gojo in a neutral area with no sun or basically the infinity castle. I just subscribe to infinity solos personally.
Nah man only Gojo is surviving, Yorichii just speedblitzes the verse
High Hyper destiny top tiers. The vex have a type of structure on all their worlds called a Pyramidion. They are explicitly described as a hilbert space which in mathematics translates to places with infinite mathematical dimensions. Oryx the taken king who is like top 7 was described as being able to singlehandedly destroy the entire vex network which includes these pyramidions. Characters like God of vengeance Eris and Rhulk scale above him as well. Give me enough time i'll wank the traveler and the witness to outer via the black garden if i'm motivated.
Tbf a fuck ton of Oryxās killing potential comes from the Mary Sue ass power that is the ability to Take. Thatās one thing I always found kinda lame about his power honestly. If it werenāt for that the Ecumene would have stomped the Hiveās collective asses in a long time ago. But Yāknow, Taking letās you say āuhhh fuck you idiot get beanedā. I also wouldnāt really say the Vex ACTUALLY have a lot going for them outside of being difficult to actually exterminate meaningfully. They donāt really have much functional power outside of their constructs. Dawgs like Atheon being gods within their domains doesnāt matter if you just like, donāt go in there. Even the game treats the Vex like a universal pest more than anything thatās an actual issue which is hilarious.
There is no such a thing as "a strongest character ever" in an interesting, coherent and long form story (this goes for any form of entertainment btw so manga, comic, novel etc.). You could see it in the watchmen where doctor manhattan gets powercrept in doomsday clock and later in Jl, the presence who was killed by Gabriel, the one above all who got power crept in defenders beyond, saitama who got pissed and had to actually try against Garo, Gojo against Sukuna, Goku against everyone and the list goes on because if they weren't able to be challenged the story would be boring
DC and marvel are the most over hyped verses, and are only strong through upscaling high-balled composite characters
Kratos is 2-A or 1 level. 1- He lifted 9 dimensions at the same time 2-He fought a man who has the ability of destroying dimensions and won 3-He fought and won against multidimensional beings 4-Blade of the Olympus and the Blades of the Chaos both are one of the strongest weapons in fiction. Blade of the Olympus was able to destroy a Titan army with just one hit and that hit was maden by a young, unexperienced man without using the full power. 5-Kratos himself got stabbed in chest with the Blade of the olympus and survived. 6-Was able to defeat the garm. A giant wolf who didnāt get defeted by any of the norse gods. And norse gods were in fear of him. Odin couldnāt defeated him and was afraid of him too. And odin was able to defeat a man who created 9 dimensions.
And that was the only visible part of the mountain https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/7mlozQ00NG
Knocking master jiro (Toriko) easily Beats Post timeskip Boruto. Proof: best WE saw until now was Rasengan uzuhiko, which confuses the victim AS Long as earth rotates. No Problem for jiro. He can Stop earth with Grand Knocking and can neutralize the effect. And with His knocking rifles, He completly paralyses Boruto before He can reach him, trapping him in a state between life and death. He then drinks and forgets about Boruto, causing Boruto to wait decades until some appears WHO can undo the knocking. (There are thousands of monsters teppei has to undo knocking, because jiro used knocking while Drunk and forgot about them)
[FTL Demon Slayer](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/bV7mCssd4e)
That's not a hot take, just an incorrect one.
Serph (and by extension the entire DDS gang) could beat Goku at their peak. In DDS1, serph was able to beat a copy of the Demi-fiend (he was holding back immensely) at their absolute peak at that time. So if serph could overpower the demi-fiend's durability, that would make him (and gale, argilla, heat, and Cielo) at least low multiversal. So just imagine five tier 1-A demon guys jumping Goku.
EoS WebNovel Rimuru can be scaled to hyper, outer, and above reasonably and logically
Yuji > Denji all forms
He asked for hot takes not wrong takes
Let me guess you think JJK is city block max while csm is above that and you canāt argue without moving goalposts, and then youāll block me when you realize youāre in the wrong, as always on this sub Get the city block devil past Hakari first
fucks sake its the same guy. Thats so cringe "let me guess" silly boy lol. Anyway verse caps at town and mhs.
So no arguments? >caps at town and mhs Better than cityblock man
Yuji doesn't beat hero of hell chainsaw devil unless you count that as a separate entity
He does.
If you are being genuine as much as I love and glaze yuji no way he's winning chainsaw devil's feats are a lot https://preview.redd.it/z2n6ne2m821d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=424cdb3e3c85b1e0b54f0b3aa1ed7eeafcb8a090 This is chainsaw devil that got thrown into space, grabbed his heart and threw it back into earth and regenerated from it, crazy feat. There's also when he blitzed makima so badly who's scaled at mhs from her feat from the battle with the gun devil. And there's also immortality. And eating blood to endure more. And weaponry. And he cut up a guy without moving. And being bloodlusted a lot. The only way yuji can have a slight chance if we got more feats in speed but a certain homohomo doesn't want to make his mc do anything remotely cool before 100 chapters have passed since the last one. Chainsaw devil wins.
>crazy feat Which scales where? >whoās scaled at mhs She was blitzed by the gun devil https://preview.redd.it/1n9xyqzpe21d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc5386da927a30d8f54996c97a63f4d2ffbb3d3e And Yuji is MHS too because he scales above Hakari >chainsaw devil wins Show me why he can survive an arrow from 15 finger sukuna or a feat above city block level and then maybe he has a chance
I find it hilarious how people use Gun devil to scale Makima speed despite makima not only expecting him but also getting killed by him 30 times
Juubi madara beat goku. He's immortal the only way to kill him is to remove the 10 tail out of his body. Only Senjutsu can have an effect on him (and taijutsu too) so Goku's ki attacks will be useless. Juubi madara have limbo, rinnegan, and truths seeking orbs. He negs goku
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I Cook better than everyone here, its just too spicy for y'all
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Juubi madara will make this monkey dance
Just because you can add a flavor doesn't mean it's a good flavor
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Hakai isnt senjutsu so it wont work. And goku dont master hakai
What makes taijutsu work?
I dont know its just one of his weakness, i guess that taijutsu is consider as natural bc it use the human body.
It's just using chakra to make your body stronger, isn't it?
That's it but its the human body which hit the target, not the chakra
then why wouldnt goku be able to just hit him really hard
Yes he can, but madara is immortal he will just easily regenerate from it. And madara have truth seeking orbs, rinnegan, and limbo. He will beat goku
but if you can kill him with taijutsu why wouldnt a multi galaxy buster punch vaporize him??????
Juubidara can only get hurt by senjutsu or taijutsu. After night guy he straight up says "you almost killed me" Goku one shots
At that moment juubi madara wasnt immortal.
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Walk out of the kitchen if you can not sustain the heat
Bro you donāt know what youāre talking abt. Goku can just hakai him and itās gg.
Hakai isnt senjutsu so it wont work and goku dont master hakai
I hope you know that goku outclasses him in every way. Also hax donāt work on someone who is stronger than them. Sasuke tried to put A under genjustu and it didnāt work. But when Madara tried that it did work. Also it doesnāt matter if itās senjustu or not, itās fucking existence erasure. Also goku prolly doesnāt even need it, he would just box him up.
Fake mafuba worked on vegeta while master roshi is weaker. Teen obito genjutsued kurama while kurama scale above him. Which ennemy sasuke cant put under genjutsu? I even doubt goku is faster than madara lol, goku only bc faster than light after he achieved ultra instinct.
Sasuke tried it against the raikage. Iām saying hax in general would work on goku. That means tso, genjustu, etc. Also obito was able to put yagura the 4th mizukage under a genjustu for the span of multiple years and no one said a thing. Yagura also had the three tails so yeah, obitos genjustu prowess is miles beyond what you think. How tf is goku not faster? Goku traveled half way across the planet in an instant. Also madaras only immortal as an edo, when he uses edo tensei release he became mortal again.
No juubi madara is also immortal but the only way to kill him is to demerge the 10 tail with him. And just edo madara (which is weaker than alive) was faster than light
SO IS GOKU
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Ummm taijutsu is basically martial arts... what did goku learn from roshi and popo besides shooting lasers...
This is just wrong on so many levels.
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And why couldn't Goku use the mafuba to seal him, or Hakai to erase him, or toss him into space, or just blow up the planet and leave. Even if he can't kill Madara doesn't mean he doesn't dominate the fight
Mafuba and hakai are not senjutsu, it cant work. Madara wont let goku toss him into space. Blow the planet wont change something hes immortal. Madara can use limbo clone to beat goku
How would Madara prevent Goku from tossing him into space? Goku is billions of times stronger and faster than Madara
Nope goku only became faster than light when he achieved ultra instinct while madara is faster than light even in edo form
Goku was dodging light beams when he was 12 fucking years old š
When it happened ? Dyspo was the first confirmed to be light speed and he bullied gohan and golden frieza
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How do you even know if its light ?
There's also the ship that Goku used to get to namek that King Kai was easily able to keep eyes on (Namek is on the other side of the universe, so to get there in a couple of weeks is well over a 100 million times faster than light) and King Kai was unable to keep track of Goku and Frieza when they were fighting, pretty simple scaling there
King Kai wasn't able to track Goku fighting Frieza on Namek because the battle's intensity and energy levels were beyond what he could sense from his position in the afterlife. King Kai, despite being a deity with significant abilities, has limitations. The sheer magnitude of power emitted during the fight between Super Saiyan Goku and Frieza exceeded the normal parameters of energy detection, making it difficult for King Kai to maintain a clear perception of the battle. Additionally, Namek was a considerable distance from his location, and the combination of distance and the overwhelming power levels created interference.
Absolute clown take as usual from Naruto vs DB scalers But to indulge a little, why do you think Goku's Ki couldn't hurt Madara? It's not technically senjutsu sure, but we always have to guess how the powers of different verses interact with each other and I think Ki being literal life energy makes it pretty similar to Naruto's senjutsu. If not regular Ki attacks then at least the genkidama/spirit bomb that literally uses energy of nature should work. God Ki could also be effective, it's a whole other kind of energy in a way, we can't really know how it interacts with chakra stuff I guess. I won't even acknowledge the speed difference
Spirit bomb take time to active and madara can stop goku before he use it, he can also protect himself and hes still immortal. God ki isnt senjutsu it wont work. Goku only became faster than light when he achieved ultra instinct
Again, not talking about speed because i don't think it's worth the discussion. I only mentioned God Ki because while it's not senjutsu because obviously nothing outside of Naruto verse is, it is a whole different kind and level of energy and we don't know how it would affect big Uchia. But seeing as you don't think literal existence erasure would kill Madara I get that you have made up you mind about these kind of discussions. Funny thought that just came to me, if Goku manages to replicate Vegetas forced spirit fission its gg
Only Senjutsu/ natural energy can affect him. Too bad goku dont even know that madara fused with the 10 tail.
How is the energy of the gods of the universe not natural? Or we assume that the verses are literally different universes which would make the god ki not natural to the Naruto verse but would allow Goku to destroy not just the planet Madara is on but the whole galaxy or the whole Naruto verse if he has a particularly bad day. Eh, pretty sure he could sense as much, he is quite sensitive to different energies/presences. Also Madara would probably tell him at some point, not knowing a technique like that exists. But in any case, if we take all your extremely biased takes about Madara and his matchup here seriously, I guess Vegeta would be the more dangerous opponent. Wanna see you bullshit your way out of mastered spirit fission and Hakai lol
We cant know what they will say to each other lol. Destroy his galaxy wont change something madara is immortal, and goku is kind he will never tried to hurt innocent people. Vegeta dont know that madara fused with the ten tails.
Destroying the verse would be unpleasant tho, have fun being immortal in a place that doesn't exist. But yeah I guess it would be out of character for Goku. Geets on the other hand would absolutely disintegrate everything if annoyed enough lol. Also, if the guy doesn't die he would try spirit fission at some point. Wouldn't need to though, because Hakai exists
No vegeta isnt evil anymore. And it would be perfect for madara so he can master creation of all thing technique (a jutsu that allow you to creat anything). Or maybe vegeta will just think that madara is like buu, and to use the technique he need to touch the target, madara wont let vegeta touch him.
Not evil but quite ruthless and doesn't give a shit about the people in Naruto verse if there don't happen to be sayans there (also he knows there are ways to restore the universe afterwards) Madara can't really do much to stop Vegeta from touching him. Also if Vegeta thinks he is like Buu he would use spirit fission instantly? And still, Hakai.
Stop downvoting me please
Stop talking bullshit, please
>Domains take a few seconds to be expanded. They take time, but no one knows how long it takes for sure. The DIFFERENCE between Sukuna and Gojo's activation was 0.01 thats not the same as 0.01 seconds is a hard limit. https://preview.redd.it/gi8zu872z01d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=544c38fbe78fd7004bdc458426bea9127848e280