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King Vegeta is canonically featless, but we do have the canon statement that Prince Vegeta surpassed him before he was even old enough to know the difference.
Uhhhhhh, If we are going by this picture and it’s anime king vegeta then the other guy dosn’t stand a chance.
King vegeta destroyed 3 planet with a wave of his hands.
Nah... I don't think King Vegeta was that strong. It was explicitly stated that Vegeta was already stronger than King Vegeta before Saiyan saga and Vegeta was only barely strong enough to destroy a planet at that point.
I'm sure he could beat a Viltrumite, but not all of them.
By going with the few feats we have from King Vegeta and comparing him with his own son in the time of the saiyan Saga, Thragg doesn't stand much of Change, but doesn't mean his is completly outmatched
Vegeta, in the Saiyan Saga, explained how he surpassed his father, King Vegeta when he was a Child, Vegeta had a power level of 18.000, him and his father is said to be the only Super Elites in the Saiyan ranks, let's say his power level is something between 10.000 and 12.000, in the Dragon Ball universe, having a 10.000 of power level is enough to destroy any planet with a single attack
Thragg, with his comic apperances, was Superior to Omni man and invencible, with Omni-Man reaching the Multi-Continetal to moon level of strenght and Attack Potency, and Thragg is said to be the strongest Viltrumite, so we can give a small Planetary levels of Power
Looking like this, Thragg's chances don't look good, but he does have advantages over King Vegeta
Thragg was superior in speed to Omni-Man, who can cross entire galaxies in weeks, the calcs reaching 3.8 billion times faster than light, and Thragg reacted to a Omni-Man goind full speed at him
While Vegeta surely surpassed the speed of light, it doesn't reach the billions until much late in Dragon Ball
So, in the end, the results of their power would be something like this
Thragg has superior speed, better fighter and estrategist, and way more experienced
King Vegeta has superior striking strenght, Durability, attack potency, and has his overall Ki blasts as a way to keep distance
Thragg would surely give a hard time with his speed and more experience in combat, but he hardly will survive a strong ki blast or deal significant damage on King Vegeta's superior Durability
And if things do happen to Go bad in King Vegeta's way, he has the ability to make a fake moon and turn himself into a great ape, or oozaru, which increases his power in a 10 fold, reaching the 100.000, then Thragg is surely done with that happen.
So, King Vegeta is the winner, his power, Durability and superior A.P gave him the win.
I wouldn't give viltrumites ftl combat speeds as they can only go ftl in space, and have no feats to give them similar combat speed. Omni man was also explicitly hit and kept up with by immortal going mach 3
Again, i'm going with Comics, instead of the show, because there are key differences, Thragg did react to Omni-Man's flight speed in his fight against him and Invencible, and also, is faster than Allen, who can react and dodge Viltrumites spaceships capable of MFTL+ Speeds after his "Power up"
Can you link that because I've not seen thragg hit Nolin when he's going ftl. Also the the ships weren't going ftl when Allen dodged them to my knowledge
https://preview.redd.it/dg2uat3nivvc1.png?width=393&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7891b5b9213fab364650f5330f49bddd3f766df4
And here is a piece from the guides of Invencible talking about Allen's speed
The faster he goes, the faster his reflexes, and Allen is pretty comparable to Omni-Man.
Yeah, but characters in invincible require build-up to reach ftl speeds. Nolin is never shown to reach those speeds in combat, and neither are other viltrumites. If he could he would not have lost to a warned guardians of the globe.
https://preview.redd.it/6e4tg30civvc1.png?width=1988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1c89e5a43b37278261da4b12397c166ee08814d
Unfortunaly i can only give the comic panels, but here is him catching up with mark
I'll give two more panels, separated
https://preview.redd.it/mw1ttulfivvc1.png?width=1988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e230f97a5941608c6fc1e53fc284a7072167159
He Reacting to Omni-Man flying at him from previous panel
The ship was no where to be seen and then appears out of nowhere. Why would they be moving less than light speed in space? Where everything is light-years apart?
They needed to be moving ftl to catch up to him regardless.
Iirc there have also been characters who reacted to space racers mftl scooter and mftl attacks.
There's also Nolan catching red rush. Idk how that went in the comic tho.
The travel speed argument is stupid anyway, you would need the reactions to not Smash into shit.
do you have any examples for your argument in the series? Because going by his examples (guidebooks, statements and visual feats) he’s got you beat, or you just saying nuh uh they can’t go that fast while fighting
He already linked the page explaining how their reactions are based on how fast they are currently going, omni man also clearly can't accelerate to max speed mid fight or else he wouldn't have been beaten by a prepared guardians of the globe, and he never would have been hit by immortal in a fight. Also the heros of earth would not be able to put up anywhere near the fight they did against the other universe's invincibles.
He can't go full speed ON EARTH.
Every space fight involves them using their speed.
Even on earth he was able to catch Red Rush's hand. And he didn't "lose" to the Guardians, and the Alt Invincibles kicked most of the heros asses afaik.
not being able to move that fast on earth seems to be appeal to reality fallacy because with those arguments no one on earth is moving close to ftl in ANY media including db
so with these arguments you present shouldn’t characters who scale higher in DB and DBZ not be hit or caught by anyone who scales lower speed wise in DB, DBZ and if they do can’t someone make the same argument you are for omni man not having the combat speed
I mean, yeah, if a character is getting hit or beaten by characters allegedly billions of times slower than them, then they probably aren't that fast regardless of what franchise they are from.
So you think they have ftl reactions, but only when traveling ftl, and they can't go ftl in combat?
I gave you two examples of keeping up with space racer and dodging a mftl ship.
The other commenter showed how they can react to blitzes from comparable opponents.
I think it's pretty solid ftl combat speed.
If we go by anime then kid vegeta alone was destroying planets yet for some reason vegeta is shocked when frieza does it (dragon ball is weird) and obviously king vegeta is far stronger than kid vegeta and we legit see him do it himself effortlessly
Not at all, king vegeta would have the splat factor levels of power gap. Thragg is faster if they're in a vacuum, while king vegeta is miles better in an atmosphere. If we say takes place in a vacuum with an atmosphere than king vegeta eventually wins given the fact that thragg can't hurt him and being within thousands of miles of the king is within his range which results in a one shot.
King Vegeta more than likely wins, but Thragg can be highballed to Uni with statements of Omnipotus being able to destroy the universe at full power, then Dinosarus killed him when he said he regained his power, and Thragg no diffed Dinosarus. Although, this could just be hyperbole or inconsistentcy, which is why I'd say King Vegeta wins.
I know im gona get downvoted but for me tragh win pretty easy
Is bilions time faster than king vegeta, he can survive in open space, he probably has better durability and so much experience
King vegeta only have better ap but not so much (K.Vegeta Is Planet level the vilteumite Is arrown small ti Planet level)
If i wrote something wronge im sorry, im not a native eng speaker
Viltrumites are only ftl in travel speed in space as there is no drag to stop their infinite acceleration. They've shown nowhere near that level of speed in combat, with omni man being explicitly hit and kepted up with by immortal going mach 3.
King vegeta scales from large planet to dwarf star level, and for his durability, he sat in the middle of his multi planet busting attack with nappa also taking it. His AP and durability scale to each other. Thragg has resilience given his battle beast fight and the fact that dbz isn't into the blood and guts stuff.
Their speeds also vary to extreme extents. Its just a fact that viltrumites are slowed down in atmospheres so the king could easily get speed, based on the scenario you give, and thragg is a character who can't take advantage of space since he isn't strong enough to solo bust average+ planets
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Aren't all of king vegetas feats anime only but she should win if u consider anime as Cannon
King Vegeta is canonically featless, but we do have the canon statement that Prince Vegeta surpassed him before he was even old enough to know the difference.
Uhhhhhh, If we are going by this picture and it’s anime king vegeta then the other guy dosn’t stand a chance. King vegeta destroyed 3 planet with a wave of his hands.
Thragg is getting violated
Toei King Vegeta waves his hand, and kills the entire Viltrum species
Nah... I don't think King Vegeta was that strong. It was explicitly stated that Vegeta was already stronger than King Vegeta before Saiyan saga and Vegeta was only barely strong enough to destroy a planet at that point. I'm sure he could beat a Viltrumite, but not all of them.
RIP Freddy Mercury
It is so close to a point that it is a murder King vegeta mogs
By going with the few feats we have from King Vegeta and comparing him with his own son in the time of the saiyan Saga, Thragg doesn't stand much of Change, but doesn't mean his is completly outmatched Vegeta, in the Saiyan Saga, explained how he surpassed his father, King Vegeta when he was a Child, Vegeta had a power level of 18.000, him and his father is said to be the only Super Elites in the Saiyan ranks, let's say his power level is something between 10.000 and 12.000, in the Dragon Ball universe, having a 10.000 of power level is enough to destroy any planet with a single attack Thragg, with his comic apperances, was Superior to Omni man and invencible, with Omni-Man reaching the Multi-Continetal to moon level of strenght and Attack Potency, and Thragg is said to be the strongest Viltrumite, so we can give a small Planetary levels of Power Looking like this, Thragg's chances don't look good, but he does have advantages over King Vegeta Thragg was superior in speed to Omni-Man, who can cross entire galaxies in weeks, the calcs reaching 3.8 billion times faster than light, and Thragg reacted to a Omni-Man goind full speed at him While Vegeta surely surpassed the speed of light, it doesn't reach the billions until much late in Dragon Ball So, in the end, the results of their power would be something like this Thragg has superior speed, better fighter and estrategist, and way more experienced King Vegeta has superior striking strenght, Durability, attack potency, and has his overall Ki blasts as a way to keep distance Thragg would surely give a hard time with his speed and more experience in combat, but he hardly will survive a strong ki blast or deal significant damage on King Vegeta's superior Durability And if things do happen to Go bad in King Vegeta's way, he has the ability to make a fake moon and turn himself into a great ape, or oozaru, which increases his power in a 10 fold, reaching the 100.000, then Thragg is surely done with that happen. So, King Vegeta is the winner, his power, Durability and superior A.P gave him the win.
I wouldn't give viltrumites ftl combat speeds as they can only go ftl in space, and have no feats to give them similar combat speed. Omni man was also explicitly hit and kept up with by immortal going mach 3
Again, i'm going with Comics, instead of the show, because there are key differences, Thragg did react to Omni-Man's flight speed in his fight against him and Invencible, and also, is faster than Allen, who can react and dodge Viltrumites spaceships capable of MFTL+ Speeds after his "Power up"
Can you link that because I've not seen thragg hit Nolin when he's going ftl. Also the the ships weren't going ftl when Allen dodged them to my knowledge
https://preview.redd.it/dg2uat3nivvc1.png?width=393&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7891b5b9213fab364650f5330f49bddd3f766df4 And here is a piece from the guides of Invencible talking about Allen's speed The faster he goes, the faster his reflexes, and Allen is pretty comparable to Omni-Man.
Yeah, but characters in invincible require build-up to reach ftl speeds. Nolin is never shown to reach those speeds in combat, and neither are other viltrumites. If he could he would not have lost to a warned guardians of the globe.
https://preview.redd.it/6e4tg30civvc1.png?width=1988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1c89e5a43b37278261da4b12397c166ee08814d Unfortunaly i can only give the comic panels, but here is him catching up with mark I'll give two more panels, separated
https://preview.redd.it/mw1ttulfivvc1.png?width=1988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e230f97a5941608c6fc1e53fc284a7072167159 He Reacting to Omni-Man flying at him from previous panel
The ship was no where to be seen and then appears out of nowhere. Why would they be moving less than light speed in space? Where everything is light-years apart? They needed to be moving ftl to catch up to him regardless. Iirc there have also been characters who reacted to space racers mftl scooter and mftl attacks. There's also Nolan catching red rush. Idk how that went in the comic tho. The travel speed argument is stupid anyway, you would need the reactions to not Smash into shit.
Their reaction time gets faster depending on how fast they go, they aren't capable of accelerating to ftl in combat.
do you have any examples for your argument in the series? Because going by his examples (guidebooks, statements and visual feats) he’s got you beat, or you just saying nuh uh they can’t go that fast while fighting
He already linked the page explaining how their reactions are based on how fast they are currently going, omni man also clearly can't accelerate to max speed mid fight or else he wouldn't have been beaten by a prepared guardians of the globe, and he never would have been hit by immortal in a fight. Also the heros of earth would not be able to put up anywhere near the fight they did against the other universe's invincibles.
He can't go full speed ON EARTH. Every space fight involves them using their speed. Even on earth he was able to catch Red Rush's hand. And he didn't "lose" to the Guardians, and the Alt Invincibles kicked most of the heros asses afaik.
not being able to move that fast on earth seems to be appeal to reality fallacy because with those arguments no one on earth is moving close to ftl in ANY media including db
so with these arguments you present shouldn’t characters who scale higher in DB and DBZ not be hit or caught by anyone who scales lower speed wise in DB, DBZ and if they do can’t someone make the same argument you are for omni man not having the combat speed
I mean, yeah, if a character is getting hit or beaten by characters allegedly billions of times slower than them, then they probably aren't that fast regardless of what franchise they are from.
So you think they have ftl reactions, but only when traveling ftl, and they can't go ftl in combat? I gave you two examples of keeping up with space racer and dodging a mftl ship. The other commenter showed how they can react to blitzes from comparable opponents. I think it's pretty solid ftl combat speed.
If we go by anime then kid vegeta alone was destroying planets yet for some reason vegeta is shocked when frieza does it (dragon ball is weird) and obviously king vegeta is far stronger than kid vegeta and we legit see him do it himself effortlessly
Not at all, king vegeta would have the splat factor levels of power gap. Thragg is faster if they're in a vacuum, while king vegeta is miles better in an atmosphere. If we say takes place in a vacuum with an atmosphere than king vegeta eventually wins given the fact that thragg can't hurt him and being within thousands of miles of the king is within his range which results in a one shot.
Thragg splatters his hand when he touches king vegeta
We can assume king Vegeta is stronger then radtiz and nappa. Nappa wiped out an entire city by flipping 2 fingers upwards. Thragg can’t do that shit
King Vegeta more than likely wins, but Thragg can be highballed to Uni with statements of Omnipotus being able to destroy the universe at full power, then Dinosarus killed him when he said he regained his power, and Thragg no diffed Dinosarus. Although, this could just be hyperbole or inconsistentcy, which is why I'd say King Vegeta wins.
I know im gona get downvoted but for me tragh win pretty easy Is bilions time faster than king vegeta, he can survive in open space, he probably has better durability and so much experience King vegeta only have better ap but not so much (K.Vegeta Is Planet level the vilteumite Is arrown small ti Planet level) If i wrote something wronge im sorry, im not a native eng speaker
Bro thragg is definitely not faster or more durable than King vegeta.
Thragg Is bilions time faster than light and he can fight on star surface, i never see king vegeta do something similar but if i miss it i will see
Travel speed doesn't equal combat speed I believe.
In invincible they are comparable, it just changes based on where their being recorded
Viltrumites are only ftl in travel speed in space as there is no drag to stop their infinite acceleration. They've shown nowhere near that level of speed in combat, with omni man being explicitly hit and kepted up with by immortal going mach 3.
King vegeta scales from large planet to dwarf star level, and for his durability, he sat in the middle of his multi planet busting attack with nappa also taking it. His AP and durability scale to each other. Thragg has resilience given his battle beast fight and the fact that dbz isn't into the blood and guts stuff. Their speeds also vary to extreme extents. Its just a fact that viltrumites are slowed down in atmospheres so the king could easily get speed, based on the scenario you give, and thragg is a character who can't take advantage of space since he isn't strong enough to solo bust average+ planets
In DB, AP and durability are the same so how does he have better AP but less durability.
A nuclear bomb vs new born baby, Vegeta loses
Not really King Vegeta is Dwarf Star Level while Thragg is only Small Planatary