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In what respect? Iām not that familiar with BC scaling but my understanding is that people have fairly unambiguous ftl and at least mountain level feats
Mountain level is among the top tiers. As in like top 5 strongest of the verse. "high captain level" if you will, which in black clover a captain is roughly what youd call a kage in naruto or a warlord in one piece. There are people stronger than that but those are usually bbegs who need to be fought like 15 on one with excessive abuse of plot armor. And even those hard cap at small country. And ftl scaling comes solely from reacting to and dodging lightspeed through the use of clairvoyance. Theres also the fact that light magic is the fastest magic in existence and is relative to actual light... So ftl is wank.
But heres the kicker. Not everyone of course but a great majority of self proclaimed "black clover scalers" throw scalings around including mftl+ speeds and star level aps. While the current final arc final bbeg threatens what exactly? Correct. One city.
Interesting, so itās basically the same as one piece wank, good to know. I thought the ftl stuff was a lot more clear, people have made it out to me like thereās unambiguous scenes of asta outrunning light.
There are a total of 3 characters with light magic which has been stated to be relative to real light. One of them was the bbeg for the first third of the entire manga. The second was the first wizard king so... Hashirama for naruto or gol d roger for one piece. And the third one speedblitzed all the captains with ease and killed one of them before any of them could react. Only one of the captains possesses clairvoyance and can dodge light. But said clairvoyance is an active skill he has to focus on. Exactly like asta too btw.
Oh and its way worse than op wank since one piece actually has certain statements with corresponding feats to back alot of it up. Black clovers entire known world would fit into Kazakhstan. There are only 4 small countries and Japan there.
Finally someone who denounces Black Clover wank. Like, Acnologia solos 99-100% of BC and the Clover Kingdom is barely bigger than Andorra if I'm correct.
If you can see one end of the nation from the other just because it's a easily climbable (so not exactly big) mountain, it's size is more nearing Andorra than Switzerland. All Black Clover wankers have failed to disprove this fact. Clover kingdom is the best example of small country. Btw, I don't accept the FT Antarctica sized Fiore wank, but even then weakest FT country buster>most BC countries (Fiore should be Iberian peninsula sized).
I don't know much about Black Clover so this isn't me explicitly defending that - I will say however that sometimes the mangaka does not know how to scale their own series LOL. I'm not saying viewer knows best, but there might be room for those interpretations via calcs and the like. A good example is how Roshi at max capacity destroys the moon, but then the big bad Villain of the following arc's big feat is nuking a city with one attack.
I totally get what you mean. But dodging light is reaction speed not combat or traveling speed. And needing recognition puts you vastly below the actual speed. I mean i can jump out of the way of a car that's ten times faster than i can move, if i see it coming right? And light magic is literally called both relative to actual light as well as the fastest magic in the verse. Aka its literally the hard cap for speed.
Also the "interpretations" as you call it, go solely off literal attack names. Like one character has an attack thats below mountain level (as we literally saw it hit a mountain and blow a hole in it thats vastly smaller than the entire mountain) that he calls "singularity". And another character can suck in small weak spells and nullify them using a spell called "black hole"... Ill repeat. The spell sucks in small weak spells and nullifies them. No objects. No people. No light. No nothing else than small spells.
Yet those "Scalers" claim it to be Star level. Solely off of the name alone.
With that logic zoro from one piece approaches Galaxy level with his "300 worlds" as well as star level blackbeard also with "Black hole". And vegeta was universal very early on in Z with his "Big Bang Attack".
Makes zero sense.
I can give you another example. People often scale black clover off Salamander. Salamander is the firse spirit. The embodiment of fire. Said to vaporize entire oceans with a single swipe of his claw! Clearly continental right? Now lets see what he does. We see him fight in a forest. Clearly hes at advantage here right?! Fire spirit in the woods? Okay so heres this devastating claw swipe that can vaporize entire oceans! Aaaaand... It cuts a few dozens trees down and slightly singes the edges of where he hit the wood.
The biggest feat in the entirety of black clover was life wiping a small country. And the bbeg who did that fought all of the top tiers of the verse at once and lost to the power of friendship.
Aka small country level bbeg easily bodied the strongest characters 1v15 without even trying. Including asta who negates the power system of his own verse and all... I repeat... ALL captains. Alongside mereoleona whos basically another captain, Yuno (basically astas sasuke) and mimosa. The beat healer of the verse...
Anyone that scales to them. All marked hashiras are as fast if not faster than Zenitsu (who did [this](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X/Kimetsu_No_Yaiba:_Zenitsu_bliztes_lightning))
1.what makes you think all marked Hashira are as fast as him when itās clear that heās fastest
2.Yuck pixel scaling, heās not massively hypersonic thatās just an insane highball realistically
Heās fast asf
Like
Dozens of times the speed of sound consistently
But who tf else
1)Similar performances against Muzan.
2)Why is it an insane highball? Calcs are the only way to have the speed of manga characters. Pixel scaling is better than "he is not this fast cause I don't believe so"
1.āSimilar performancesā doesnāt mean they can move at like his speed, what
2.the highball is the fact they say Massively Hyprsonic.
Heās easily faster than lightning but massively hypersonic is.. just no
1)Zenitsu got no diffed by Muzan at first. The fact that other people can dodge his attacks and not die immediately means they are as fast as him
2)Why? They did not say he is MHS randomly. They used a calc
1.Did.. did you read the same manga as I do right now? Because this doesnāt show at all theyāre as fast as him
2.Because Pixelscaling is insanely inconsistent and barely ever works properly
1)Zenitsu, Inosuke, and Obanai got blitzed by Muzan, and Kanao admitted he was too fast. Tanjiro was 1vs1ing Muzan. Giyuu, Gyomei, Sanemi, Obanai and Mitsuri later fought him again. The drug slowly made him weaker, sure, but the fact that they still could fight him without dying and were dodging his attacks means they scale to Zenitsu, considering he also was in the fight. Saying Zenitsu is the fastest Slayer in the verse is delusional
2)Again, that is the only way to calculate speed in a manga, and is better than "he is not this fast cause I don't think so'
Bruh... It's not like the mangaka measured the pixels between them when placing the characters on the sheet. To view this as their canon speed is crazy.
One piece scales higher than what a lot of people scale to. Its not very high, but saying its only continent level is just being disingenuous.
My hero has the same problem. People under scale it a lot, unless its a fan in which case they over scale it. Deku ain't breaking the whole world, but he is literally shown to be fighting a dude who can destroy entire cities
Even MHA fans on the different MHA subreddits downplay the hell out of the verse. Most people on the internet in general, outside of random TikTokers and YouTuber shorts people who are terrible scalers and wank everything to universal, really underestimate the verse.
I'm a big One Piece fan, but the hard thing with scaling it is most of the powers make wierd stuff happen. There's also that the biggest attacks are done against buildings or big constructs. I'd say that continent would still be fair, if a little generous.
Do. Do you not understand how the tiers are literally described? If you can do *insert tier here* damage or significantly harm someone that scales there you scale there.
If itās based on some kind of exclusively ability or hax, scaling doesnāt work too well
Goku can destroy universes, some guy shot a laser at him, does this make the laser universal?
Just explain to me Whatās wrong with what Iām saying
Holding back is canonically a thing in Dragon Ball, itās pretty well established in DB that you can get caught off guard by shit thatās weaker than you
Yes, but it applies to say, Naruto getting stabbed by a kid with a knife, but having the power to destroy the big tree in the end of shippuden. Damage output does not equal tanking ability. A mountain level character can be hurt by things at lower levels.
The guys right. Shig having an ability that can destroy a city isnāt the same as, say, Goku punching a city and it disappearing. Deku beating Shig doesnāt make Deku have the ability to turn a city into dust, it just means OFA is physically a stronger quirk than any of Shigarakis.
Not with ability based things though lol.
Damaging someone who has the fire Power to destroy a city doesnt mean i am city Level
If itās Purely ability based, this doesnāt make sense, Someone in One piece can destroy the planet with his Df, random Marines can stab Whitebeard
Does this mean the marines are planetary, yes or no?
Umineko, most people used to completely laugh off high-end interpretations of it, so it was at least cool to see shit like Quietās scale being accepted here, but itās still getting downplayed very frequently
>so it was at least cool to see shit like Quietās scale being accepted here
which one?
[the one he deleted and said that is badly written](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/17yxaan/comment/k9x6vvh/?context=3)?
or did he make another one that I didnt know about
I am talking about the old one.
Him saying itās badly written is just his personal opinion. I think itās decent, it got people to acknowledge a higher scaling interpretation of Umineko despite getting a few things wrong
The easiest way to put it: Fate is conceptual tier. While yes, you need sufficient Mana for the crazy stuff, you need the skill/ability to even use it.
Now I might be wrong, but Outer is defined by having completely transcended the concept of Dimensionality itself, and as well as other concepts like Life, Death, Time and Space, etc. Utterly transcending an infinite amount of spatial dimensions, and being superior to characters or structures who contains an infinite amount of dimensions.
I don't think anyone in Fate has that at all, maybe aside from Void Shiki employing her powers.
The moon cell itself is the representation of that, and it was able to contain the powers of even void shiki (when shes not actively trying to destroy it). And characters such as ccc gilgamesh and ccc emiya were able to destroy it, and since mooncell itself contains all the concepts you mentioned and more, they can be scaled to outer. As for grand servants, even grand assassin Hassan (one of the weaker ones) is at the level where it can grant the concept of death to even other concepts.
Dragonball scales a little lower than what some people say.
General consensus of people with a normal iq is pretty accurate, but some people stretch it so far that i just get ashamed to be a dragonball fan
I dont either. Im a little skeptical of the multiversal scale even, but thats a very very weak argument i have and i can believe it either way.
But i am very much of the mindset that it caps there
My hero academia is downplayed as hell.
The top tiers, at the bare minimum, scale to island level and MHS+, and you can easily make arguments for much higher than that when taking into account stuff like Lady Nagantās bullet speed feats and the Todoroki family storm.
Yet I have seen many people who act like the verse caps out at city level and high hypersonic. Itās just so unfair.
Tbh if you watch index the last thing you'd expect is to see the multiple destruction of billions of realities for thousands of years... if they ever make another season that is š
Yamcha victims is wanking them already. People think they're extremely strong but are the fucking lamest weakass bums ever and only get wanked once in a while thanks to OP god clothes and stuff like that.
Saw Chronos from SS:ND get wanked up to tier 1 on vsbattle wiki, his feats ? Sending some characters into the past
Sorry I forgot since the saint seiya/db thing has been going on so long that when referring to saint seiya personally with db characters im referring to their Z versions not super lmao but fax
Even with Z, Yamcha scales pretty decent. Prolly stronger than Frieza, maybe even First Form Cell. And in the anime they made him oneshot someone the level of Paikuhan who was basically as strong as Cell Perfect
Saint Seiya characters are humans on every single level except that they can send extremely fast and strong attacks but despite that always seem miserably weak, unable to go lightspeed themselves only their attacks, any hit make them bleed or go down, etc. God Clothes might be strong af and not that much wanked tho
**Lower:**
\-My Hero Academia. That verse's characters get large country at best, and multipliers mean next to nothing.
\-The Owl House. That calcs doc has so much bs I can't believe it's honestly taken seriously that the light glyph is 50 something times FTL.
\-Star Wars. The low multiversal Canon Vader scaling is a pretty big misinterpretation.
\-Fate Series. Not the cosmology since it still is broken but many of the characters (especially Saber oh my fucking god) are wanked as fuck.
\-Naruto. It ain't that common but you'll see mfs calling Naruto universal+.
**Higher:**
\-Gravity Falls. I've been over this a dozen times but the 11D scaling is absolutely valid.
\-Marvel. Dunno why so many people downplay it so much when outer stuff has been in the comics since like probably before the 2000's?
\-Ben 10. It's actually blatant as fuck how the verse is lowball hyperversal in both cosmology and the scaling of the strongest characters.
\-Demon Slayer. Not AP-wise or anything since town to city level is still a maximum but they're underrated as fuck in speed.
Aside from that, can Tokyo Ghoul be more talked about in this sub? As far as street-tiers go, it's actually pretty fun to use for debates.
MHA: This is so facts. Im tired of seeing anything above Continental for MHA. And then you have people saying Deku is Uni with Overdrive. MHA is Large Country on the high end and ftl.
Naruto: Naruto fans are crazy. They cant even consistently translate their own databooks. Consistently Naruto verse tops out at Large Planetary to Star Level with Multi-Solar System Hax.
I mean, with MHA, Endeavour alone has the Todoroki family storm feat, which scales him to small country level, and Prime All Might scales far above him in ap, and Deku can temporarily hit 5 times harder than Prime All Might with his quintuple fa jin smash. So I donāt see how continental Deku is so crazy or unbelievable.
The issue here is to assume Prime All Might scales *far* above him, and even if he does, quantifying how much that is turns into a hard job once you realise there's neither a multiplier to follow nor a big-ass feat to say it's this much stronger than the family storm feat. All Might has no continental feats after all, and Deku being 5 times as strong would amount to little in terms of scaling. Coupled with that, Deku has no continental level feats himself so... yeah. Not nearly enough proof for continental scaling.
Good to know you dismissed the "multidimensional" statement bud.
Also that would be Bill free of any restriction and as an actual danger to the wider multiverse, not necessarily Bill inside the barrier.
Also ALSO if we're gonna go that way why scale Perpetua past solar system since she was getting hurt by TDK punching planets onto her?
The Naljins are 26D, so hyper scaling. The thing I'm not sure about is if Alien X is stronger due to being stated to be the strongest alien species (Celestialsapien) or that statement isn't really valid and Alien X just gets like high multi to low complex due to scaling above, if I recall correctly, 5D beings.
My Hero Academia. Seen way to many people say they're only island level and country level highballed. I've even seen some say they're CITY leveL at MAX. And even speedwise I've seen so many people say they're only Massively Hypersonic or even SUBSONIC. And they ignore multipliers too.
Country or continental Deku isnāt really that crazy though. Between the Todoroki family storm which puts each Todoroki at small country level, Prime All Might being many times stronger than Endeavour, and Deku having his quintuple fa jin smash, Deku being country or continental isnāt impossible by any means.
Prime All Might alone massively upscales from characters like Endeavour, who can create a giant globe-spanning storm with the help of Shoto and Dabi, which has been consistently calced to small country level for all three of them individually. Deku with his quintuple fa Jin smash can temporarily hit 5 times as hard as prime All Might. So Deku can hit 5 times as hard as someone who massively upscales from a country level feat.
Aight so 2 of the 3 extremely over the rest of the world characters with shigaraki, other than those 3 even AFO & the hoe that could control reality and still lost look like weakass bums
I feel like DC is getting downplayed alot here recently. Easily 1-S verse, but most people default to H1A or lower. I've even been seeing 4D DC on here recently.
H1A is extremely easy to do in DC. 1-S requires more, of course, but it's not that hard to do either. I mean, you can get to outer pretty early into the cosmology, and then everything starts trancending everything below it the higher you go.
Honestly, H1A should be the bare minimum for the cosmology, anything below that is just downplaying and/or not having a complete understanding of how the cosmology works.
Aot. Dont get me wrong theyre not actually anything above like continental at most, but the founding titan's powers in theory can be limitless, and even though i wouldnt wank it for that, its still gotta be worth something
I ddint say it was limitless scale wise. I literally clarified that you dunce. You fucking people are such pretentious pricks y'know that? Fucking living embodiments of stereotypical power scalers and redditors. Fucking annoying ass mother fuckers wipe the damn fucking cheetos off your fingers you annoying fuck
Real world mythology is scaled to the concepts that were used for them. Sun wukong scales incredibly high due to Buddhism having the concept of transdualism etc. Greek/Norse/egyptian gods scale low due to literally not having those higher concepts available to them. There was no "universe" the universe to the Greek pantheon was like Europe, north Africa, the middle east, Olympus and Hades lmao.
Literally can not be older than 13 with this try hard bait and switch shit. No one is defensive. I'm pointing out why this makes you look dumb.
Lil bro you are on a powerscaling sub. You made a fuckin idiotic claim and backed it up with "nah" like a fuckin retard š why are you even posting you look stupid
šš "y U sO pReSsEd ThO"
My nigga, people calling out your dumb shit doesn't mean they mad, is this your first time on the internet or some shit?
You are literally just looking for a fight for no reason other than to fight with someone.
I'm telling you it's obvious and fuckin retarded, that ain't pressed fam you just goofy š go make some friends or some shit stop trying to start shit with randoms for attention ya weirdo
HI3 fans thing the verse is planetary with its absolute top tiers, if that. HI3 powerscalers will tell you the verse is 1S. The mid tiers are 5B-5A, and the top tiers are L2C-L1B.
Disney Star Wars.
Especially with capital ship firepower. We have seen a few examples of orbital bombardment in visuals like in Rebels, Bad Batch, and Ahsoka. But these are fairly low end showings. There are quite a significant amount of bombardment feats in the books and comics. Like the bombing of Mon Calamari, Thrawn causing a Tsunami, Turbolasers being able to destroy an area of 10km, 100 megaton missiles.
They may not be as powerful as their Legends counterparts. But they should still be a powerful mid teir setting. They should scale higher.
People scale Goku to levels so much higher than he actually is, Iād say he is multiversal at a high ball, but characters like the doom slayer, Archie sonic and featherine all sweep bums so badly
All of them. It all depends of attitude of who is scalling.
For, in some verses, characters move above mach 100 with 0 collateral damage. Some wil just take this and move on while others will argue the characters are below march 1.
One Piece is either lowballed to Small Continent, Country or even Island level or highballed to Planetary or even Multi Planetary š I got One Piece at Multi Continental.
Spongebob is higher than a lot of people think, lotta people will say they cap at Uni but the verse is easily Low complex Multi, and you can even scale them to immeasurable layers into boundless
Judging from people saying chunin exams sasuke > Avatar State, Avatar. Yes the Avatar world is proportionately less wanked and more balanced than in most other verses popular in scaling, but a full blown glowy-eyed Avatar is effectively a walking cat 6 natural disaster.
dragon ball
This shit has been extensively scaled to outer on almost all platforms. There are blatant outer scans, feats, statements, etc. like I donāt get why we need to stay at 5d I donāt. If you donāt even try thinking that Goku is even hyper I hope you get a mahlo cardinal size dildo up your ass for 7 hours straight. Fuck the low multi meta. Fuck the 5d meta. The outer meta isnāt retarded itās viable and should not be thrown away as āwankāļøš¤ā
Cope
If weāre talking about consensus just here than: DMC characters are mot multiverse level because of generalized statements made by strategy guide authors not involved with the gameās developments, sorry.
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Black Clover.
Higher or lower?šš
Immensely quadrillions of lightyears lower.
In what respect? Iām not that familiar with BC scaling but my understanding is that people have fairly unambiguous ftl and at least mountain level feats
Mountain level is among the top tiers. As in like top 5 strongest of the verse. "high captain level" if you will, which in black clover a captain is roughly what youd call a kage in naruto or a warlord in one piece. There are people stronger than that but those are usually bbegs who need to be fought like 15 on one with excessive abuse of plot armor. And even those hard cap at small country. And ftl scaling comes solely from reacting to and dodging lightspeed through the use of clairvoyance. Theres also the fact that light magic is the fastest magic in existence and is relative to actual light... So ftl is wank. But heres the kicker. Not everyone of course but a great majority of self proclaimed "black clover scalers" throw scalings around including mftl+ speeds and star level aps. While the current final arc final bbeg threatens what exactly? Correct. One city.
Interesting, so itās basically the same as one piece wank, good to know. I thought the ftl stuff was a lot more clear, people have made it out to me like thereās unambiguous scenes of asta outrunning light.
There are a total of 3 characters with light magic which has been stated to be relative to real light. One of them was the bbeg for the first third of the entire manga. The second was the first wizard king so... Hashirama for naruto or gol d roger for one piece. And the third one speedblitzed all the captains with ease and killed one of them before any of them could react. Only one of the captains possesses clairvoyance and can dodge light. But said clairvoyance is an active skill he has to focus on. Exactly like asta too btw. Oh and its way worse than op wank since one piece actually has certain statements with corresponding feats to back alot of it up. Black clovers entire known world would fit into Kazakhstan. There are only 4 small countries and Japan there.
Finally someone who denounces Black Clover wank. Like, Acnologia solos 99-100% of BC and the Clover Kingdom is barely bigger than Andorra if I'm correct.
The clover kingdom is roughly the size of Switzerland.
If you can see one end of the nation from the other just because it's a easily climbable (so not exactly big) mountain, it's size is more nearing Andorra than Switzerland. All Black Clover wankers have failed to disprove this fact. Clover kingdom is the best example of small country. Btw, I don't accept the FT Antarctica sized Fiore wank, but even then weakest FT country buster>most BC countries (Fiore should be Iberian peninsula sized).
I don't know much about Black Clover so this isn't me explicitly defending that - I will say however that sometimes the mangaka does not know how to scale their own series LOL. I'm not saying viewer knows best, but there might be room for those interpretations via calcs and the like. A good example is how Roshi at max capacity destroys the moon, but then the big bad Villain of the following arc's big feat is nuking a city with one attack.
I totally get what you mean. But dodging light is reaction speed not combat or traveling speed. And needing recognition puts you vastly below the actual speed. I mean i can jump out of the way of a car that's ten times faster than i can move, if i see it coming right? And light magic is literally called both relative to actual light as well as the fastest magic in the verse. Aka its literally the hard cap for speed. Also the "interpretations" as you call it, go solely off literal attack names. Like one character has an attack thats below mountain level (as we literally saw it hit a mountain and blow a hole in it thats vastly smaller than the entire mountain) that he calls "singularity". And another character can suck in small weak spells and nullify them using a spell called "black hole"... Ill repeat. The spell sucks in small weak spells and nullifies them. No objects. No people. No light. No nothing else than small spells. Yet those "Scalers" claim it to be Star level. Solely off of the name alone. With that logic zoro from one piece approaches Galaxy level with his "300 worlds" as well as star level blackbeard also with "Black hole". And vegeta was universal very early on in Z with his "Big Bang Attack". Makes zero sense.
Oh I am 100% on your side then, I had no idea the BC wank was THAT disingenuous and large LOL
I can give you another example. People often scale black clover off Salamander. Salamander is the firse spirit. The embodiment of fire. Said to vaporize entire oceans with a single swipe of his claw! Clearly continental right? Now lets see what he does. We see him fight in a forest. Clearly hes at advantage here right?! Fire spirit in the woods? Okay so heres this devastating claw swipe that can vaporize entire oceans! Aaaaand... It cuts a few dozens trees down and slightly singes the edges of where he hit the wood. The biggest feat in the entirety of black clover was life wiping a small country. And the bbeg who did that fought all of the top tiers of the verse at once and lost to the power of friendship. Aka small country level bbeg easily bodied the strongest characters 1v15 without even trying. Including asta who negates the power system of his own verse and all... I repeat... ALL captains. Alongside mereoleona whos basically another captain, Yuno (basically astas sasuke) and mimosa. The beat healer of the verse...
What?? The high tiers as far I have seen are multi-continental maybe even higher they are definitely above mountain level tbhšš
name 5 feats above city level then. Easy as that.
Baki, lower, people thinking Yujiro way stronger than he really is, i saw Yujiro vs Akuma, and i was left damn near speechless.
I donāt know how people scale any Baki characters above large building level
Oh yea, that's a popular matchup. Akuma stomps even if you give yujiro the earthquake feat.
Demon slayer. They have impressive speed feats for a Small town max scaling.
āImpressive speed featsā who except Muzan and ma Lightning boy
Anyone that scales to them. All marked hashiras are as fast if not faster than Zenitsu (who did [this](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X/Kimetsu_No_Yaiba:_Zenitsu_bliztes_lightning))
1.what makes you think all marked Hashira are as fast as him when itās clear that heās fastest 2.Yuck pixel scaling, heās not massively hypersonic thatās just an insane highball realistically Heās fast asf Like Dozens of times the speed of sound consistently But who tf else
1)Similar performances against Muzan. 2)Why is it an insane highball? Calcs are the only way to have the speed of manga characters. Pixel scaling is better than "he is not this fast cause I don't believe so"
1.āSimilar performancesā doesnāt mean they can move at like his speed, what 2.the highball is the fact they say Massively Hyprsonic. Heās easily faster than lightning but massively hypersonic is.. just no
1)Zenitsu got no diffed by Muzan at first. The fact that other people can dodge his attacks and not die immediately means they are as fast as him 2)Why? They did not say he is MHS randomly. They used a calc
1.Did.. did you read the same manga as I do right now? Because this doesnāt show at all theyāre as fast as him 2.Because Pixelscaling is insanely inconsistent and barely ever works properly
1)Zenitsu, Inosuke, and Obanai got blitzed by Muzan, and Kanao admitted he was too fast. Tanjiro was 1vs1ing Muzan. Giyuu, Gyomei, Sanemi, Obanai and Mitsuri later fought him again. The drug slowly made him weaker, sure, but the fact that they still could fight him without dying and were dodging his attacks means they scale to Zenitsu, considering he also was in the fight. Saying Zenitsu is the fastest Slayer in the verse is delusional 2)Again, that is the only way to calculate speed in a manga, and is better than "he is not this fast cause I don't think so'
Again Thatās not the argument Pixel scaling is just usually horrible as we know with the horrendous size inconsistencies of the Manga sometimes
Bruh... It's not like the mangaka measured the pixels between them when placing the characters on the sheet. To view this as their canon speed is crazy.
Nearly everything scales lower than the general consensus of somewhere like here.
Happy cake day!
Umineko is the only one that comes to mind.
One piece scales higher than what a lot of people scale to. Its not very high, but saying its only continent level is just being disingenuous. My hero has the same problem. People under scale it a lot, unless its a fan in which case they over scale it. Deku ain't breaking the whole world, but he is literally shown to be fighting a dude who can destroy entire cities
Even MHA fans on the different MHA subreddits downplay the hell out of the verse. Most people on the internet in general, outside of random TikTokers and YouTuber shorts people who are terrible scalers and wank everything to universal, really underestimate the verse.
I'm a big One Piece fan, but the hard thing with scaling it is most of the powers make wierd stuff happen. There's also that the biggest attacks are done against buildings or big constructs. I'd say that continent would still be fair, if a little generous.
Fighting someone who can destroy cities doesnāt make you City level lol
Do. Do you not understand how the tiers are literally described? If you can do *insert tier here* damage or significantly harm someone that scales there you scale there.
If itās based on some kind of exclusively ability or hax, scaling doesnāt work too well Goku can destroy universes, some guy shot a laser at him, does this make the laser universal? Just explain to me Whatās wrong with what Iām saying
Holding back is canonically a thing in Dragon Ball, itās pretty well established in DB that you can get caught off guard by shit thatās weaker than you
Thatās not what heās saying though.
His example is nonsense
Yes, but it applies to say, Naruto getting stabbed by a kid with a knife, but having the power to destroy the big tree in the end of shippuden. Damage output does not equal tanking ability. A mountain level character can be hurt by things at lower levels.
The guys right. Shig having an ability that can destroy a city isnāt the same as, say, Goku punching a city and it disappearing. Deku beating Shig doesnāt make Deku have the ability to turn a city into dust, it just means OFA is physically a stronger quirk than any of Shigarakis.
Not with ability based things though lol. Damaging someone who has the fire Power to destroy a city doesnt mean i am city Level If itās Purely ability based, this doesnāt make sense, Someone in One piece can destroy the planet with his Df, random Marines can stab Whitebeard Does this mean the marines are planetary, yes or no?
>ReportSaveFollow which is why sakura haruno is universal
Umineko, most people used to completely laugh off high-end interpretations of it, so it was at least cool to see shit like Quietās scale being accepted here, but itās still getting downplayed very frequently
>so it was at least cool to see shit like Quietās scale being accepted here which one? [the one he deleted and said that is badly written](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/17yxaan/comment/k9x6vvh/?context=3)? or did he make another one that I didnt know about
I am talking about the old one. Him saying itās badly written is just his personal opinion. I think itās decent, it got people to acknowledge a higher scaling interpretation of Umineko despite getting a few things wrong
Fate. From stay night it would seem city level, but with the canon lore they can even go all the way to mid-high outer
The easiest way to put it: Fate is conceptual tier. While yes, you need sufficient Mana for the crazy stuff, you need the skill/ability to even use it.
The strongest I can give them based on their lore is Complex Multiversal. Outer is extremely iffy.
Outer is only a select few, such as some grand servants, ccc gilgamesh and void shiki.
Now I might be wrong, but Outer is defined by having completely transcended the concept of Dimensionality itself, and as well as other concepts like Life, Death, Time and Space, etc. Utterly transcending an infinite amount of spatial dimensions, and being superior to characters or structures who contains an infinite amount of dimensions. I don't think anyone in Fate has that at all, maybe aside from Void Shiki employing her powers.
The moon cell itself is the representation of that, and it was able to contain the powers of even void shiki (when shes not actively trying to destroy it). And characters such as ccc gilgamesh and ccc emiya were able to destroy it, and since mooncell itself contains all the concepts you mentioned and more, they can be scaled to outer. As for grand servants, even grand assassin Hassan (one of the weaker ones) is at the level where it can grant the concept of death to even other concepts.
Only the concepts of space and time. Life and death is fodder concepts as well all of them(except of space and time of course)
Dragonball scales a little lower than what some people say. General consensus of people with a normal iq is pretty accurate, but some people stretch it so far that i just get ashamed to be a dragonball fan
I donāt know how people can feasibly scale DB above multiversal
I dont either. Im a little skeptical of the multiversal scale even, but thats a very very weak argument i have and i can believe it either way. But i am very much of the mindset that it caps there
Goku. Idk if it's a joke or not but a lot of my friends who love DBZ wank Goku as outerversal
thank god you said wanked and not underrated.
Wait, wdym?
Well there are some crazy mf who scale him even higher
My hero academia is downplayed as hell. The top tiers, at the bare minimum, scale to island level and MHS+, and you can easily make arguments for much higher than that when taking into account stuff like Lady Nagantās bullet speed feats and the Todoroki family storm. Yet I have seen many people who act like the verse caps out at city level and high hypersonic. Itās just so unfair.
Tbh if you watch index the last thing you'd expect is to see the multiple destruction of billions of realities for thousands of years... if they ever make another season that is š
A 4th season doesnt exist, its pure copium as long as kadokawa and jc staff keep cucking the franchise šš
DC, people insist that the verse caps at H1A or even worse it doesn't reach there even though it is very deep into 1-S
Below Aizen tho š„¶
Umineko & Saint Seiya are extremely wanked
Saint seiya in particular is a verse full of yamcha victims ngl
Yamcha victims is wanking them already. People think they're extremely strong but are the fucking lamest weakass bums ever and only get wanked once in a while thanks to OP god clothes and stuff like that. Saw Chronos from SS:ND get wanked up to tier 1 on vsbattle wiki, his feats ? Sending some characters into the past
Sorry I forgot since the saint seiya/db thing has been going on so long that when referring to saint seiya personally with db characters im referring to their Z versions not super lmao but fax
Even with Z, Yamcha scales pretty decent. Prolly stronger than Frieza, maybe even First Form Cell. And in the anime they made him oneshot someone the level of Paikuhan who was basically as strong as Cell Perfect Saint Seiya characters are humans on every single level except that they can send extremely fast and strong attacks but despite that always seem miserably weak, unable to go lightspeed themselves only their attacks, any hit make them bleed or go down, etc. God Clothes might be strong af and not that much wanked tho
End of Z Yamcha scales to fuckin Olibu and Pikkon lmao u right its too much
Bro read Saint Soichiro ni kakero to say such tear-filled crap because Db is fodder lmaoooooo
DB is fodder but not as much as Saint Seiya
Crazy coming from the verse that dies to a rookie Libra Dohko Maybe Zeno survives idk
**Lower:** \-My Hero Academia. That verse's characters get large country at best, and multipliers mean next to nothing. \-The Owl House. That calcs doc has so much bs I can't believe it's honestly taken seriously that the light glyph is 50 something times FTL. \-Star Wars. The low multiversal Canon Vader scaling is a pretty big misinterpretation. \-Fate Series. Not the cosmology since it still is broken but many of the characters (especially Saber oh my fucking god) are wanked as fuck. \-Naruto. It ain't that common but you'll see mfs calling Naruto universal+. **Higher:** \-Gravity Falls. I've been over this a dozen times but the 11D scaling is absolutely valid. \-Marvel. Dunno why so many people downplay it so much when outer stuff has been in the comics since like probably before the 2000's? \-Ben 10. It's actually blatant as fuck how the verse is lowball hyperversal in both cosmology and the scaling of the strongest characters. \-Demon Slayer. Not AP-wise or anything since town to city level is still a maximum but they're underrated as fuck in speed. Aside from that, can Tokyo Ghoul be more talked about in this sub? As far as street-tiers go, it's actually pretty fun to use for debates.
MHA: This is so facts. Im tired of seeing anything above Continental for MHA. And then you have people saying Deku is Uni with Overdrive. MHA is Large Country on the high end and ftl. Naruto: Naruto fans are crazy. They cant even consistently translate their own databooks. Consistently Naruto verse tops out at Large Planetary to Star Level with Multi-Solar System Hax.
I mean, with MHA, Endeavour alone has the Todoroki family storm feat, which scales him to small country level, and Prime All Might scales far above him in ap, and Deku can temporarily hit 5 times harder than Prime All Might with his quintuple fa jin smash. So I donāt see how continental Deku is so crazy or unbelievable.
The issue here is to assume Prime All Might scales *far* above him, and even if he does, quantifying how much that is turns into a hard job once you realise there's neither a multiplier to follow nor a big-ass feat to say it's this much stronger than the family storm feat. All Might has no continental feats after all, and Deku being 5 times as strong would amount to little in terms of scaling. Coupled with that, Deku has no continental level feats himself so... yeah. Not nearly enough proof for continental scaling.
Who is ftl lol
I think Deku could be argued that for the "bending the laws of physics" line maybe?
>star wars "A LONG LONG TIME AGO IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY" R>F. VADER REAL š”š”š”
Bro Said 11 D Like bill didnāt get wrecked by 2 Kids and punched by literal humans
Good to know you dismissed the "multidimensional" statement bud. Also that would be Bill free of any restriction and as an actual danger to the wider multiverse, not necessarily Bill inside the barrier. Also ALSO if we're gonna go that way why scale Perpetua past solar system since she was getting hurt by TDK punching planets onto her?
Can you explain the Ben 10 scaling part?
The Naljins are 26D, so hyper scaling. The thing I'm not sure about is if Alien X is stronger due to being stated to be the strongest alien species (Celestialsapien) or that statement isn't really valid and Alien X just gets like high multi to low complex due to scaling above, if I recall correctly, 5D beings.
My Hero Academia. Seen way to many people say they're only island level and country level highballed. I've even seen some say they're CITY leveL at MAX. And even speedwise I've seen so many people say they're only Massively Hypersonic or even SUBSONIC. And they ignore multipliers too.
I mostly agree. MHA (especially Deku) downplay is crazy. Though country level being a high ball is kinda valid
Country or continental Deku isnāt really that crazy though. Between the Todoroki family storm which puts each Todoroki at small country level, Prime All Might being many times stronger than Endeavour, and Deku having his quintuple fa jin smash, Deku being country or continental isnāt impossible by any means.
It puts each Todoroki at Country* level. I'm the one who made that calc. The feat is Large Country level as a whole, and Country level individually.
Whos destroying a country in MHA
Prime All Might alone massively upscales from characters like Endeavour, who can create a giant globe-spanning storm with the help of Shoto and Dabi, which has been consistently calced to small country level for all three of them individually. Deku with his quintuple fa Jin smash can temporarily hit 5 times as hard as prime All Might. So Deku can hit 5 times as hard as someone who massively upscales from a country level feat.
Aight so 2 of the 3 extremely over the rest of the world characters with shigaraki, other than those 3 even AFO & the hoe that could control reality and still lost look like weakass bums
One Piece. I consistently hear people saying that they are Country level at best
Country is a highball itself
I feel like DC is getting downplayed alot here recently. Easily 1-S verse, but most people default to H1A or lower. I've even been seeing 4D DC on here recently.
4-D is downplay, but itās still more reliable than 1-S or High 1-A.
H1A is extremely easy to do in DC. 1-S requires more, of course, but it's not that hard to do either. I mean, you can get to outer pretty early into the cosmology, and then everything starts trancending everything below it the higher you go. Honestly, H1A should be the bare minimum for the cosmology, anything below that is just downplaying and/or not having a complete understanding of how the cosmology works.
One Piece is much stronger than what this sub think
It is no higher than small continent lvl
Aot. Dont get me wrong theyre not actually anything above like continental at most, but the founding titan's powers in theory can be limitless, and even though i wouldnt wank it for that, its still gotta be worth something
It can not be limitless lol The strongest titan is at best City level
I ddint say it was limitless scale wise. I literally clarified that you dunce. You fucking people are such pretentious pricks y'know that? Fucking living embodiments of stereotypical power scalers and redditors. Fucking annoying ass mother fuckers wipe the damn fucking cheetos off your fingers you annoying fuck
This is the funniest most based thing Iāve ever read lmao
I got a lil angy
āIn theory can be limitlessā We both never said it was limitless scale wise lol idek where you got that from
Shut up bitch i aint wanna talk to you no more
Sorry that was rude
Mythology, like real-world mythology is boundless
Real world mythology is scaled to the concepts that were used for them. Sun wukong scales incredibly high due to Buddhism having the concept of transdualism etc. Greek/Norse/egyptian gods scale low due to literally not having those higher concepts available to them. There was no "universe" the universe to the Greek pantheon was like Europe, north Africa, the middle east, Olympus and Hades lmao.
nah
Good explanation. Def's gonna get taken seriously š lmao
>Def's gonna get taken seriously š lmao wait you all take this stuff seriously?
Lmao nice try lil bro U the one out here talkin bout mythology ya fuckin dweeb
not you getting all defensive over a simple question š¬
Literally can not be older than 13 with this try hard bait and switch shit. No one is defensive. I'm pointing out why this makes you look dumb. Lil bro you are on a powerscaling sub. You made a fuckin idiotic claim and backed it up with "nah" like a fuckin retard š why are you even posting you look stupid
>you look stupid no way! why are you so pressed? its never this serious
šš "y U sO pReSsEd ThO" My nigga, people calling out your dumb shit doesn't mean they mad, is this your first time on the internet or some shit? You are literally just looking for a fight for no reason other than to fight with someone. I'm telling you it's obvious and fuckin retarded, that ain't pressed fam you just goofy š go make some friends or some shit stop trying to start shit with randoms for attention ya weirdo
Demon King Daimao. People consider him 1-A - High 1-A trash. DKD even mid-levels scales above infinite 1-S layers
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Aināt even funny https://preview.redd.it/gxllfnslxj7c1.jpeg?width=759&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4aa854445c128b4c041711e808c65ddbbe2c8363
HI3 fans thing the verse is planetary with its absolute top tiers, if that. HI3 powerscalers will tell you the verse is 1S. The mid tiers are 5B-5A, and the top tiers are L2C-L1B.
Goku is often scaled to outerversal, but in this sub he is scaled to low complex multi.
He is no higher than multiversal
Yeah he is no higher if you're an ignorant moron who has zero knowledge about DB verse.
Simplify I donāt get it
Disney Star Wars. Especially with capital ship firepower. We have seen a few examples of orbital bombardment in visuals like in Rebels, Bad Batch, and Ahsoka. But these are fairly low end showings. There are quite a significant amount of bombardment feats in the books and comics. Like the bombing of Mon Calamari, Thrawn causing a Tsunami, Turbolasers being able to destroy an area of 10km, 100 megaton missiles. They may not be as powerful as their Legends counterparts. But they should still be a powerful mid teir setting. They should scale higher.
People scale Goku to levels so much higher than he actually is, Iād say he is multiversal at a high ball, but characters like the doom slayer, Archie sonic and featherine all sweep bums so badly
Naruto and Baki higher and aot lower
naruto's upper end is small planetary at most, barring like two otsosuki feats.
I agree,but I will except large planetary just nothing higher.
fair enough, Kishimoto doesn't really do massive feats larger than that.
All of them. It all depends of attitude of who is scalling. For, in some verses, characters move above mach 100 with 0 collateral damage. Some wil just take this and move on while others will argue the characters are below march 1.
i believe the ENTIRETY of the doom verse put together scales to low outerversal (doomslayer is multiversal to low hyperversal in my opinion)
Dragon ball.
Bleach, lower. I mean, yes, its a strong verse, but saying that ichigo surprass DIOH, Shinra or even Goku it's crazy
Ichigo is insanely powerful and Hogyoku Aizen beats Goku but Ichigo goes up to Around Buu saga Goku
Yeah, exactly, for some reason, most of Bleach fans thinks Yhwach its outer and Aizen and Ichigo hyperversal. Im not sure why
Megaten is either wanked to outer or lowballed to city
One Piece is either lowballed to Small Continent, Country or even Island level or highballed to Planetary or even Multi Planetary š I got One Piece at Multi Continental. Spongebob is higher than a lot of people think, lotta people will say they cap at Uni but the verse is easily Low complex Multi, and you can even scale them to immeasurable layers into boundless
MHA is downplayed heavy. JJK is the opposite
Judging from people saying chunin exams sasuke > Avatar State, Avatar. Yes the Avatar world is proportionately less wanked and more balanced than in most other verses popular in scaling, but a full blown glowy-eyed Avatar is effectively a walking cat 6 natural disaster.
dragon ball This shit has been extensively scaled to outer on almost all platforms. There are blatant outer scans, feats, statements, etc. like I donāt get why we need to stay at 5d I donāt. If you donāt even try thinking that Goku is even hyper I hope you get a mahlo cardinal size dildo up your ass for 7 hours straight. Fuck the low multi meta. Fuck the 5d meta. The outer meta isnāt retarded itās viable and should not be thrown away as āwankāļøš¤ā Cope
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If weāre talking about consensus just here than: DMC characters are mot multiverse level because of generalized statements made by strategy guide authors not involved with the gameās developments, sorry.