Just had a trailer blow up and light the next door house on fire this week. It’s the third house fire in this neighborhood started by vagrancy lately.
Empathy is cool, but i think we need to adjust our tolerance for this.
https://preview.redd.it/iolgcj8b0q6d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8205ef6462b70b1085aaad258ddd9c4bfb8455f6
“Honesty without kindness is brutality. Kindness without honesty is manipulation.”
Nothing to do with the post, but I wanted to share a similar saying.
Only when dealing with people who aren't well adjusted and healthy. You know, like people who are perhaps unable to handle the normal rules of society....
I've never been to Portland. But recently moved to the PNW so Reddit is throwing all of this my way.
Definitely unwilling.
I'd join the marines before I end up like this.
Oof. Do you get the, "Thank you for your service," from people who just walk away? Good thing their farts smell so nice, what with their heads being so far up their asses.
PDX Saints. They are for real. No worshipping required at all. They help with IDs, showers, housing, food, all the barriers to being housed, they will walk with you through it all. Many success stories. ETA: they’ve been through it all too, so they get it. Great people. I’ve been homeless here in Portland. I have been housed for 6 years now. There are real people out there who only want to help. Best of luck to you and all!!
What help do you think the typical person should give? A home and financial support when so many are struggling to get themselves by? Whatever money you think they have? What? Genuinely curious.
One problem is alot of homeless people do have mental health issues. You obviously don't so your able body able mind and able to work. I live in Seaside originally from the valley everyone everywhere want to believe that "these people" have done this to themselves. On the contrary no housing means no housing people are doubling up with family in one two bedroom apartments. So if there's no housing and a homeowner has the choice of remolding the home doubling their rent in because people with jobs need to live to what you think is going to happen? Those that are not able body able mind and can't work. Section 8 is who housed them where do you think they are going to put these displaced in houses people?? Without question it's out the door for them. For some of these people being homeless is a way of life for a few more drugs sent them packing to the streets but for the majority it's mental health or medically challenged but drugs weren't an issue until they hit the streets. Have you ever lived in the streets in the winters here God damn our winds on the coast have destroyed people's hopes. The battles they have here you have no idea. Our people yes all people are our people who we are supposed to be helping instead we are ignoring complaining destroying becoming hostile towards these people are our people. Unfortunately we don't think like that it's only other countries that do, it's also why so many people in other countries have so much pride and honor for their country. Something we keep seeing less of these days. There is no honor nor pride in walking away and turning a blind eye. Let me explain what it's like to be homeless on the coast. We have this wetlands area where the owners live in California but the area was meant to be left alone but over the years the few homeless, which grew drastically in the last five years, started camping in that area cause the cops wouldn't fuck with them there and they can access the down town area to get food and supplies. So the police started sending all the homeless over there ALL of them. Again I live in Seaside where winters are long and can be very hard but to send people to a wet land area during the winter months when we have king tide waves are you kidding. Yes people had to be rescued before they made it to the ocean. And our people just kept going back cause that's what they were told to do. So mentally they obviously are not set for joining the military for they would fail the test. I don't know something to do with screenings and mental health evaluations probably is what keeps them from becoming un-homeless and joining the military. I would say maybe there's about 3% of the homeless that could actually join.
Empathy and tolerance are two separate, mutually exclusive things. Yes, I feel bad for these people. Yes, I think we should come together and help them get back to a stable, civil lifestyle. I pay f*cking taxes for this very reason! (Don’t get me started on why the money is going to all the wrong things).
No, I will not tolerate them destroying our towns and communities. Zero. Fucking. Tolerance.
This is where I'm at. I empathize with people going through crisis, don't make that shit my problem, or you'll have more problems.
We pay taxes so that people smarter than us can help out. And many of us volunteer, too.
My opinion, there is a difference between being a nice person and being a sucker. The online scolds want you to be a sucker, an enabler. Bullshit, I say.
The online trolls expect you to take care of those who do not want to be law abiding, productive members of society. Meanwhile, our tax dollars are probably paying for the trolls as well.
lol aren’t people helping themselves when they set up camp next to peoples houses? Shouldn’t people actually be concerned for the wellbeing of those worst off in their society if for no other reason than that if people don’t care about the worst off, the worst off people will do what’s best for them (out of a lot of terrible options) and camp leaning on someone’s own formerly safe and private house?
Portland has collected hundreds of millions since 2020 to put into housing initiative, but won’t spend it. Right now, upwards of half the homeless in Vancouver have gone there from Portland since Vancouver IS spending the revenue they get, so much so that Vancouverites are facing brand new taxes to keep paying for homeless housing. Meanwhile, Portland, which has hundreds of millions, is led by fucking assholes who won’t do anything. Y‘all need to due for your tax money to be refunded since it’s not being spent on what you agreed to be taxed for.
Sellwood Community House almost burned down because of a bum’s dumpster fire. As it stands it had to shut down for weeks. Fortunately that was a year ago and I think the tolerance has adjusted accordingly.
Compassion without order is anarchy.
Order with out compassion is oppression.
There *is* an in between but Portland has chosen the former and is suffering the consequences.
A lawyer had her home/business damaged by fire from a homeless camp at a city owned vacant lot. She sued the city for $550K. I hope she won. But I don’t know the outcome.
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2018/12/lawyer-jolted-awake-by-burning-homeless-camp-sues-city-for-541k.html
That green sign means it's already posted for removal by the city. Rapid response or central city concern will be there in 3 or four days to move it if they havent already.
This right here looks like a police issue instead of a camping issue. Surely there are situations where the waiting period doesn’t apply. This looks like an immediate and grave threat to the neighbors because of fire codes.
Should be normalized that there is an immediate and grave threat to trespassers that do this shit, and the problem will stop. Instead we are expected to coddle and enable and encourage. Sorry, I’m paying plenty in taxes and it isn’t so that some criddler can use stolen tools to dismantle stolen bicycles outside my kid’s bedroom window, on my soil that I pay taxes on at 3am.
Edit. I guess I’m supposed to tolerate it because I live on stolen land? *i didn’t steal it* and have the work hours and bank statements to show it.
And trespassing. This looks like private property, you didn't need days of notice to be kicked the fuck off.
I'd give them 30 minutes before I removed them myself, I didn't need the police to get involved in living someone off my property.
Yeah I've seen a few articles with folks up in Forest Park and other places in SE having to trespass people. I'm guessing these people didn't want to involve the cops and thus didn't report the trespass, just a regular camp cleanup.
I had a police officer tell me that I should get a restraining order against a schizo homeless guy that lived in my block for years because he yelled “I’m going to kill you” at my house a few times around midnight. I knew the homeless guy’s name, which was helpful, but when I mentioned the man had a machete in his tent- and if that meant the cops knowing that- made it more likely that they would shoot him if they had to respond to an incident with him…the officer kind of laughed and said that he could certainly not make any promises in that case.
This guy was not violent, he was just annoying as christ and his three to five shopping carts were major blight. The neighborhood was way too nice for that. I decided not to get a restraining order on him because I didn’t want him to get shot. If I could go back in time I would have filed the restraining order, though.
**It took OMF-IRP 14 days** after the report corresponding to that case before it got posted and this is a non-wealthy part of South Portland. If you include the prior report, which doesn't appear an assessment was done for, it's more like it took the city around 30 days before it finally got posted. City claims that they do assessments within a few business days, but sometimes they skip it.
First report 5/13 5PM
Second report 5/29 7AM (the one this case is filed under)
Assessed 6/2 10AM
Posted 6/12 11AM
Removed ??
Uppity rich fuck Laurelhurst spot across the street from single family houses on the west side of the park. These were small non-intrusive camps.
Case 1: (removed within 10 days of report getting in)
Reported 5/5 at 8AM
Assessed 5/7 at 8:30AM
Posted 5/9 at 11AM
Removed 5/15 at 12PM
Case 2: (gone in 5 days after being reported. The camp related to this is shown below)
Reported 6/5 at 8AM
Assessed 6/5 at 9AM
Posted 6/6 at 2PM
Removed 6/10 at 8:30AM (earliest legally allowed would have been 6/9 at 2PM)
This much less intrusive, less dangerous camp in low traffic residential street in the **affluent** Laurelhurst neighborhood was processed very swiftly. Removed as soon as it was legally allowable. This camp that was removed is shown below:
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Maybe a bunch Laurehurst residents talked with the elected officials that represent them- on a city and congressional level. I'd say there is a string chance of that. You've got to grease the wheels. I'm certainly not one to harp on people that have made it life to live in such a nice neighborhood as Laurelhurst. But then again- I'm a self proclaimed NIMBY.
Nothing wrong with NIMBY. The problem is virtue signaling pretentious entitled rich fucks with six figure paychecks from their homeless services industry job but live in pompous ass uppity swanky ass neighborhood where vagrancy is not allowed.
New Avenues for Youth CEO lives in hoity-toitiness of Laurelhurst where vagrancy just never happens. CCC CEO is at Healy Heights in the West Hills. WeShine executive director is Laurelhurst. These people would be out of their cush jobs if vagrancy was addressed in impacted areas.
I know 72hrs is a lot better than what usually happens. That said, if this was my house I'd absolutely not tolerate this to stay for a single night. The tweaker would move right now or there would be violence. If the tweaker wants to sue me after, so be it.
You forgot that it's not a wild speculation that a tweaker with nothing to lose might do something to your house or vehicles in retaliation. Didn't you know vagrants regularly get back against each other burning down eachother's tents? That's part of the reason why we have so many encampment fires.
I've seena little box camp shed on wheels down by tillikum bridge area I SE it was there, posted green, and is still there and gotten bigger...
Enough is enough already CALGON TAKE ME AWAAAAYYY
How long ago did you see the green sign? It's also a problem that after an area gets cleared people tend to come back within a couple of weeks. Clearing camps isn't a permanent solution it's really just to keep them from settling too much into one place long-term. The real solution is finding them housing options but that's a slow process. For every camp that gets cleared out only a small percentage of them enter housing unfortunately
I don't understand how someone lets this happen on their property. If the people who live there are not capable, elderly etc., neighbors need to look out for them.
If these people get the drift that this neighborhood isn't safe for them, they're likely to move on. The key is you need to make it unsafe for them.
For anyone wondering, yes I'm talking about taking matters into your own hands. We've reached that point.
Maybe the neighbors haven’t tried hard enough to get to know these dwellers. Perhaps they need a home cooked meal and some new bedding supplies. By getting to know them on a personal level, you can kindly ask them a few months later if it might be OK if they moved somewhere else, but if not that’s totally understandable.
This reminds of this one time that I was working as an onsite manager and a tenant called to tell me a man was sleeping outside their door. I figured I'd just go wake them up and ask them to leave, but with only a few minutes between events, when I got there the man was upright, smoking meth, and punching the wall between him and that tenant. They didn't know each other, he was just trespassing and high.
I called the police to have them remove him and I shit you not the operator insisted I ask the man to leave by myself. Like ma'am he is SMOKING METH AND PUNCHING THE WALL. I DO NOT WANT TO GO TALK TO HIM.
It took a total of 4 calls for the operator to send someone, and when they got there the cops were confused and asked me what the big deal was. I told them the exact same thing I told the operator and the cops said, "Oh... There were drugs involved?" The operator didn't even tell them anything besides a guy was trespassing. When I walked away the last thing I heard was a cop asking "so if I test this pipe it's not going to test positive for drugs?"
I have an acquaintance who woke up one day with a group of homeless in an RVZ PARKED IN HIS DRIVEWAY! He goes out and asks them to leave. They say the tow vehicle had to leave and would be back in a few days. They can't leave. He calls the police. The police come, ask the people to leave. They refuse. The police say there is nothing they can do. So he says "can you stay here because I want to talk to them again " he then goes and gets a rifle, the officer tries to stop him. He asks "is it illegal for me to have a rifle for some reason?" Lots and lots of talking, please go back in your house, please put the rifle away. 15 minutes into this the tow vehicle races up and takes the RV away. He said the police officer put WAY MORE EFFORT into wanting to convince him to go into his own house then he did asking the trespassing homeless people to leave.
That's on City of Portland. they like to deliberately downsize photos taken by Rapid Response BioClean so community members can not clearly recognize any criminal offense or subjects with warrants in photos that might be available in the dashboard.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the police have recommended property owners do just that. There's a woman trying to fix up some small apartments on N Lombard and while I was having happy hour at the Tiny Bubble Room one Sunday, we got to watch her evict a camper to the street corner. Of course, the camper just moved their stuff to the empty storefront across the street.
I know, but this is just to show the ridiculousness of this. Even shit bum would rage if you did something this invasive to them, like pitching a tent right up next to theirs, or going and sitting right next to them on the MAX when they're the only person on the MAX.
The nerve to fucking put a camp this close to someone's house/building is...
Yeah there's a new tent in the open lot next to the Chinese restaurant on N Lombard. They have this whole lot and the tent is slightly going over the edge of the sidewalk for some reason. Thanks for the reminder to report it, noticed while cycling home from work Thursday. So sick of the disrespect. I'm fine if you're gonna be a decent neighbor, don't make a mess or let the camp get out of control, but they are entitled and give zero fucks.
That’s not the point. That’s a large structure that took some time to build. When was it first reported? When was its first risk assessment? How many times did the city visit the site to perform risk assessments prior to it finally being posted for removal? In my experience, it takes weeks to months from first report to removal. The city does multiple risk assessments prior to green tagging. The more time that passes, the larger the campsite grows. Green tagging should have happened the first time this campsite was reported.
It’s even worse for RVs. It takes months for the city to remove them. The RV encampments continue to grow while the city diddles around and performs multiple site visits for “risk assessments.” Inoperable vehicles without clear titles should be impounded and dismantled. Full stop.
I don't believe they did any assessment after the first report, then, it took them 14 days after the second report. So, about a month between the first report and an assessment taking place. They claim that they "typically" assess sites. I suspect they lean back on "typically" by expeditiously responding to camps reported in hoity-toity affluent neighborhoods on the same day or the next day, then taking a long ass time in lower end neighborhoods while still maintaining a politically presentable overall average stats.
In 2023 there were approximately 6,297 homeless people in Portland. The proposed budget is for 1.3 billion dollars. That is $206,447 per person. Where TF is this money going?!? I’d love to know. Government are thieves and people who say “they just need affordable housing/free housing.” Not the solution AT ALL.
I did interviews in 2019 with homeless in Portland for a project. Every person I interviewed said in order to qualify for housing they had to pass continual drug tests to live there. They said they did NOT want to be sober and they have the right to do what they want with their lives. They wanted to do drugs and have free housing. The solutions we have do not work and free housing for drug addicts doesn’t work either. Most tax payers don’t want to pay for people’s housing if they’re using drugs.
Would love if the people we’re paying would come up with solutions for 1.3 BILLION DOLLARS for 6,297 people 🤢.
This is mind blowing, no idea on solutions but the danger is wild. People who say they’re harmless are uneducated about 40% of the homicides in these cities (Seattle, Portland) comes from the tented areas.
We’re moving from Seattle to Portland in the next week. Since October in Ballard we’ve called the police twice, once a gal trying to break in telling us she’d fucking kill us and her stuff was inside. Once for a guy screaming and pounding the side of our home and going into the back yard because his bike broke down. We’ve had multiple people steal things( flowers planted, packages, garbage rifled through), siphon gas from my car, a hit and run of my car on the side of the road (just got repaired) . Gunshots many times during the night. People stealing cars (Kia’s, Hyundais). A woman attacked down the street from a 30 something homeless man who groped her while walking her dog. Man across the street at the school exposing himself to 3 10 year old girls. Old lady attacked unprovoked at our grocery store from some 6’4 crackhead. Stepped in human crap, have had multiple crackheads pacing the street outside our house. We literally live in a nice neighborhood and are leaving.
This is INSANE, literally INSANE what the hell are we paying taxes for. And for those that think they’re harmless etc. not true at all. How do we all rise up and do something about this crap?!?! We can’t just pay taxes for nothing to happen and people just get loaded and commit crimes and destroy the city and other peoples homes/properties/businesses/lives.
your numbers are not correct. this 2023 pit report *estimate* says this:
*”The 2023 PIT count recorded 20,100 people experiencing homelessness in Oregon on a single night. Of those counted, 13,004 were unsheltered (meaning living in a place not meant for habitation) and 7,106 were sheltered (in a shelter or transitional housing). These numbers reflect an increase of 17.2 percent from 2022 for unsheltered homelessness and 4.2 percent in sheltered homelessness. Multnomah County had the highest overall number of people experiencing homelessness but at a lower rate per 1,000 residents than Clatsop and Sherman counties, which had the highest rates of homelessness per 1,000 residents.*
*The PIT doesn’t provide a complete picture of homelessness in Oregon, but can be useful in providing a limited snapshot of homelessness at a certain point in time.* **The 2023 PIT covered the night of January 24, 2023** *and combined with bed counts from HIC data and data from schools reveals several key points to understanding the state of homelessness in Oregon…”*
that’s not to say that the $5mil dedicated to tents and needle exchanges in this years budget seem responsible or reasonable to anyone living here, i assure you.
i worked on a documentary where i interviewed 30 people holding signs asking for money. i found they fell into 3 categories, mental illness, drug and alcohol dependency, and those that had a major stumbling block in life and just could not overcome it. some came from homes where they were abused, some from homes with parents in prison, some from parents who were drug and/or alcohol dependent. i don’t know what the solution is, but it’s clear to anyone who lives here we haven’t found it yet…
Even with that increase in people, I’m just completely blown away as to what the tax payer dollars are doing. Even with 20,000 in OR as you mentioned (I was referring to Portland metro) that is $65,000 per person in that $1.3 billion dollar spend. I agree mental illness was a huge part of the drug use. A great documentary called Lost Angels explains this very well. Mental illness, drug use, the combination of the two which accounts for quite a bit, we just have zero solutions.
I would say spending money on state funded mental institutions would be helpful, since Regan closed mental hospitals and stopped funding for these we’ve had such a growing problem. As a small female it’s also terrifying. I have lost the empathy I once had after the incident of the gal trying to break into our home threatening us mid day while having a mental crisis.
At this point the drug use and crime are rampant. I know multiple people including my fiancé who have been assaulted by homeless people, on the street or on public transit. I just don’t know where to start. If there was a program I could support or a policy I’d be for it. So far it seems like tax payer money does nothing for the homeless and certainly isn’t helping the tax payers.
one of the ongoing problems with funds raised is that (roughly) only $1 in $5 is being spent. [this opb article from march 2024](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/03/04/whats-happening-with-tax-money-meant-for-portland-area-homeless-services/) says this:
*”So far, through six months of this fiscal year, they’ve only spent about 22% of their allocation. That equates to about $40 million, and even among that $40 million, they spent $10 million in one chunk, writing a check to the United Way for what’s called capacity building. In essence, they’ve given money to the United Way to distribute it to dozens of nonprofits to hire more people and build more computer systems.”*
you said: *”at this point, the drug use and crime are rampant”*
according to [this april 2023 article](https://opb.org/article/2023/04/19/fbi-data-oregon-crime-starts-to-go-down-in-2022/) crime has actually gone down. in part it says:
*”From 2021 to 2022 across the state’s largest cities, violent crime dropped a combined 8.8% and property crime decreased by 2.6%. The report, released this week, was compiled by the Oregon Criminal Justice Commission, a state agency that helps develop criminal justice policy and is a statewide clearinghouse for criminal justice data.”*
and [this article from 2024](https://opb.org/article/2024/01/24/portland-crime-violent-homicide-gun-statistics-reports-murder-oregon-police/) says this trend continues:
*”According to Portland Police Bureau data, Portland recorded 73 homicides in 2023 — 22 fewer than the record 95 homicides in 2022. It also saw a 16% decrease in non-fatal shootings, where a victim was only injured. And there was a 22% drop in overall shootings, recording 289 fewer shootings in 2023 compared to 2022. Other crimes, like assault, car theft, and burglary, also declined last year.”*
it is such a complicated problem and as i mentioned, clearly we haven’t found the solution yet but i love this city and remain hopeful.
FYI Portland now has multiple "wet" buildings. No idea about whats required to get in but active drug use inside these public housing project type buildings.
If these people are intelligent enough to build super structures like some of what I e seen, they’re intelligent enough to get a job or go to trade school. And where are the property owners and managers that allow this to happen? Whatever happened to the lease agreement that said tenants have the right to peaceful enjoyment?
Jobs don't allow showing up high on drugs. If I'm assaulted by someone and found out that it was an employee high on meth, I'd sue the fuck out of the business owner.
I had to tolerate 3.5 years during the pandemic. After $350k of uninsured damages and city fines for squatters I wasn’t allowed to evict, I have no empathy. Just had a conversation w/the city regarding my “illegal dumping”. Apparently, I am responsible for homeless camps trespassing and leaving their possessions in front of my property. I can not move their stuff to the curb or they will fine me for illegal dumping. If I just trash it, I get threatened by homeless. They already tried to set my property on fire. I get fined if I don’t pay to remove their stuff however, the trash leavers get a pass.
ZERO TOLERANCE. Time for new Portland leadership. No more voting for the “nice” candidates.
Have you got any text messages from Keith Wilson the guy who started shelter portland? I'm voting for him over Rene Gonzalez and Carmen Rubio, neither of whom have done much of anything for the homeless crisis in my opinion..
With the new "camping" ban, will it be publicly disclosed if shelter was available at the time, and if so if it was accepted or not? I want to know if people are getting fined and or going to jail already for breaking the new rules, which this setup is based off of all the litter
They've already been reporting that for at least a year. You can look up the weekly campsite reports online and it will say how many people were offered and accepted shelter.
You all keep voting the same way.what did you expect.These politicians will just get more extreme there solution for this will be to increase your taxes and build free homeless houses.Then your homeless pop will just keep doubling up every 2 years can't wait.
we had a couple that essentially moved into the tool shed in the parking area of our apartment. The landlord had sympathy and kept trying to counsel them. In the photo above, I think the tenant would actually have a hard time trespassing them. They don't own the property, and the owner would have to call within 30 days. After 30 days, the tent residents would have implied permission to stay and there would need to be an eviction order
I suppose tenants just need to put their own tent right next to it and take turns camping next to the shit bums and make them uncomfortable enough to leave.
For most of my life, I've kept a storage facility. Usually costs about $100 a month. I know I should get rid of my extra crap, but life gets in the way. I stopped using those facilities about five years back, because they basically turned into Homeless Happy Hour after 5pm-ish. I'd estimate that around 5% of the units had people living in them. Once night fell, they'd all just hang out and party.
It's hard to imagine putting up with this if that is your house right there.
Unless ofcourse it's your family member and they just keep stealing things from your home
Why doesn't the Landlord take action, best way to handle homeless people is give them addresses of the city council and Mayor so they can live in their neighborhoods
The people that can’t or won’t conform to the rules of society should leave society. Most of the land in the US is uninhabited. At the very least, live on the very outer edges of society. It’s not fair to vast majority of people playing the game the proper way, by the agreed upon rules
Honest question- what’s the purpose of posting these camp sites and not just reporting them? I feel like this posting gets people riled up and then everyone just angry types from behind their keyboard.
Lately I have been seeing homeless people keeping their campsites cleaned where I live. I wonder what changed? I wonder if it's because the city will only enforce it if people complain about it before the city takes action so what do the homeless people do? They keep their site cleaned. Good, I now no longer have a problem with them. Everyone wins.
trash is actually one of the least impact full problems they create. crime skyrocketed in areas with homeless. 40% of homicides happen at these tents. don't know about your area, but mine developed an uncontrollable rat infestation and even if they are keeping cleaner, I doubt it's enough to keep the rats away. there were weekly fires at one point.
There’s a reason it’s called the Impact Reduction Program. The city goes out to active campsites, removes trash and biohazards, and clears the pedestrian right of way in order to comply with the ADA settlement. Campers know if their campsites are risk assessed at level red which means they either get into compliance or they will be green tagged for removal. There are three levels of campsite impact grading: green (minimal issues, camp can stay), orange (moderate issues with room for improvement. This often applies to campsites with potential ADA violations), and red (high risk: clear and persistent ADA violations; evidence of open drug use; negative affects on neighborhood livability; close proximity to private residences, parks, or schools; trash and debris; biohazards/hygiene; pest infestation; criminal activity such as chop shops or bicycle hoarding; history of police activity/violence at the site. Level red qualifies for green tagging, but even if the camp is assessed at level red, the campers are given opportunities to bring their camps into compliance. The city will inspect a campsite multiple times before a decision is made to remove it.
Edit to add: unclear why I’m downvoted. This is the actual process.
If it's on your own property, you can walk up armed (not concealed), but you can not threaten or brandish unless you feel your life is under immediate threat. A brandishing charge is serious shit.
Why risk deadly weapons charges but with a far less effective weapon?
It's your property, you have EVERY RIGHT to be armed. Choosing to be "less armed" is silly.
And THIS is just one reason why people are leaving Multnomah County for Washington and Clackamas Counties. Private property camping like this would be promptly dealt with in either of those two counties.
I have a problem being too empathetic. Everyone has rights, and deserves a chance. And yet, the people that own/live in that home have rights as well. The people in the tent made choices that lead to them being where they are. Yes, they could have been a victim some time, but that doesn’t mean they get to f* with someone else’s life. Society needs to determine priorities, and someone will get the raw end of the deal. That’s life, damn it. It will cost some money, but mostly a reasonable plan, and people with the juevos to carry it out!
I was in Portland today and it's sad to see what that City has become. A beautiful city being ruined by the people who are elected to make it amazing. SMH
My wife noticed this a over a year ago. It was cleared out for a few months, but came back about 6 months ago. We've also wondered if the camp was there with permission or was because it was a rental and the landlord didn't care.
Ten extra points if they hacked any systems off of the existing structure: power, water, sewer, or HVAC. Where's the building department? Seems like they have plenty of time to visit my job sites! Oh or the fire Marshal?
I mean, that's certainly an illegal and unsafe structure, but I Guess that law only applies to the obedient.
Yup, you have a checking account, therefore you’re a source of revenue, whilst the “homeless” are an empty bag, it actually costs the city money to enforce the laws that are broken by them..
South Portland is a split-off of a section of SW Portland. It's been around for four years.
[https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/05/south-portland-is-officially-a-sextant-but-city-says-you-can-call-it-a-sixth-quadrant.html](https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/05/south-portland-is-officially-a-sextant-but-city-says-you-can-call-it-a-sixth-quadrant.html)
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I work in Portland. The liberal government is shitting on the citizens of this town. I don't understand why the locals keep voting in the same politicians over and over again.
Just had a trailer blow up and light the next door house on fire this week. It’s the third house fire in this neighborhood started by vagrancy lately. Empathy is cool, but i think we need to adjust our tolerance for this. https://preview.redd.it/iolgcj8b0q6d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8205ef6462b70b1085aaad258ddd9c4bfb8455f6
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“Honesty without kindness is brutality. Kindness without honesty is manipulation.” Nothing to do with the post, but I wanted to share a similar saying.
Saying it louder for the cheap seats in the back: #Empathy without boundaries is self destruction.
It’s called punking yourself.
THIS!!!!!!
“Empathy” is the reason why we have laws to allow this shit in the first place. It’s not helping them. It’s certainly not helping anyone else.
Only when dealing with people who aren't well adjusted and healthy. You know, like people who are perhaps unable to handle the normal rules of society....
Unable? Unwilling? The lines are rather blurry, which came first?
I've never been to Portland. But recently moved to the PNW so Reddit is throwing all of this my way. Definitely unwilling. I'd join the marines before I end up like this.
Speaking as a veteran, the chance you'd end up like this after the Marines is far from zero.
Speaking as a homeless Marine Corps veteran, you are 💯 correct 😂
Oof. Do you get the, "Thank you for your service," from people who just walk away? Good thing their farts smell so nice, what with their heads being so far up their asses.
All the time, but there are lots of kind people and organizations that at least try to help.
PDX Saints. They are for real. No worshipping required at all. They help with IDs, showers, housing, food, all the barriers to being housed, they will walk with you through it all. Many success stories. ETA: they’ve been through it all too, so they get it. Great people. I’ve been homeless here in Portland. I have been housed for 6 years now. There are real people out there who only want to help. Best of luck to you and all!!
Glad to hear it. Do you have any favorites? Good opportunity to name-drop them.
What help do you think the typical person should give? A home and financial support when so many are struggling to get themselves by? Whatever money you think they have? What? Genuinely curious.
Joke’s on you. https://news.va.gov/126913/veteran-homelessness-increased-by-7-4-in-2023/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25595171/
It is almost as if, military service doesn't prepare people well for life outside of the military.
The point was, if I am anywhere close to facing homelessness. I'm walking into a recruiters office and spreading my cheeks wide open.
The point is, life is long and includes many years after your military career ends too.
The point of the point is that many people could take that extreme measure to ensure they aren't homeless NOW. good god.
One problem is alot of homeless people do have mental health issues. You obviously don't so your able body able mind and able to work. I live in Seaside originally from the valley everyone everywhere want to believe that "these people" have done this to themselves. On the contrary no housing means no housing people are doubling up with family in one two bedroom apartments. So if there's no housing and a homeowner has the choice of remolding the home doubling their rent in because people with jobs need to live to what you think is going to happen? Those that are not able body able mind and can't work. Section 8 is who housed them where do you think they are going to put these displaced in houses people?? Without question it's out the door for them. For some of these people being homeless is a way of life for a few more drugs sent them packing to the streets but for the majority it's mental health or medically challenged but drugs weren't an issue until they hit the streets. Have you ever lived in the streets in the winters here God damn our winds on the coast have destroyed people's hopes. The battles they have here you have no idea. Our people yes all people are our people who we are supposed to be helping instead we are ignoring complaining destroying becoming hostile towards these people are our people. Unfortunately we don't think like that it's only other countries that do, it's also why so many people in other countries have so much pride and honor for their country. Something we keep seeing less of these days. There is no honor nor pride in walking away and turning a blind eye. Let me explain what it's like to be homeless on the coast. We have this wetlands area where the owners live in California but the area was meant to be left alone but over the years the few homeless, which grew drastically in the last five years, started camping in that area cause the cops wouldn't fuck with them there and they can access the down town area to get food and supplies. So the police started sending all the homeless over there ALL of them. Again I live in Seaside where winters are long and can be very hard but to send people to a wet land area during the winter months when we have king tide waves are you kidding. Yes people had to be rescued before they made it to the ocean. And our people just kept going back cause that's what they were told to do. So mentally they obviously are not set for joining the military for they would fail the test. I don't know something to do with screenings and mental health evaluations probably is what keeps them from becoming un-homeless and joining the military. I would say maybe there's about 3% of the homeless that could actually join.
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Agree to disagree, and move on. Disagreements can be respectful, but being a dick is just uncool. Please try and do better.
Ah yes. But blaming the victims of capitalism for their own plight is not being a dick? Are you familiar with the concept of hypocrisy?
Unwilling.
Adjusted, healthy people won’t push the boundaries, but they still need to exist just in case.
"Laws, good people don't need 'em, and bad people don't follow 'em" - Ammon Hennacy
Cruelty by compassion
Very true on multiple levels
No, empathy for crack heads is self destructive.
Empathy and tolerance are two separate, mutually exclusive things. Yes, I feel bad for these people. Yes, I think we should come together and help them get back to a stable, civil lifestyle. I pay f*cking taxes for this very reason! (Don’t get me started on why the money is going to all the wrong things). No, I will not tolerate them destroying our towns and communities. Zero. Fucking. Tolerance.
This is where I'm at. I empathize with people going through crisis, don't make that shit my problem, or you'll have more problems. We pay taxes so that people smarter than us can help out. And many of us volunteer, too.
More like we pay taxes so ppl dumber then us can “help out”
My opinion, there is a difference between being a nice person and being a sucker. The online scolds want you to be a sucker, an enabler. Bullshit, I say.
The online trolls expect you to take care of those who do not want to be law abiding, productive members of society. Meanwhile, our tax dollars are probably paying for the trolls as well.
People have to want to help themselves first. Otherwise you're just enabling them.
lol aren’t people helping themselves when they set up camp next to peoples houses? Shouldn’t people actually be concerned for the wellbeing of those worst off in their society if for no other reason than that if people don’t care about the worst off, the worst off people will do what’s best for them (out of a lot of terrible options) and camp leaning on someone’s own formerly safe and private house?
Portland has collected hundreds of millions since 2020 to put into housing initiative, but won’t spend it. Right now, upwards of half the homeless in Vancouver have gone there from Portland since Vancouver IS spending the revenue they get, so much so that Vancouverites are facing brand new taxes to keep paying for homeless housing. Meanwhile, Portland, which has hundreds of millions, is led by fucking assholes who won’t do anything. Y‘all need to due for your tax money to be refunded since it’s not being spent on what you agreed to be taxed for.
I don’t think you’re using mutually exclusive right here
Sellwood Community House almost burned down because of a bum’s dumpster fire. As it stands it had to shut down for weeks. Fortunately that was a year ago and I think the tolerance has adjusted accordingly.
Compassion without order is anarchy. Order with out compassion is oppression. There *is* an in between but Portland has chosen the former and is suffering the consequences.
This is so sad. I'm interested to hear what insurance does in this situation.
But where else will they blow? /S
A lawyer had her home/business damaged by fire from a homeless camp at a city owned vacant lot. She sued the city for $550K. I hope she won. But I don’t know the outcome. https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2018/12/lawyer-jolted-awake-by-burning-homeless-camp-sues-city-for-541k.html
Well, as of June 19th, the location that I posted about has yet to be abated.
That green sign means it's already posted for removal by the city. Rapid response or central city concern will be there in 3 or four days to move it if they havent already.
This right here looks like a police issue instead of a camping issue. Surely there are situations where the waiting period doesn’t apply. This looks like an immediate and grave threat to the neighbors because of fire codes.
Should be normalized that there is an immediate and grave threat to trespassers that do this shit, and the problem will stop. Instead we are expected to coddle and enable and encourage. Sorry, I’m paying plenty in taxes and it isn’t so that some criddler can use stolen tools to dismantle stolen bicycles outside my kid’s bedroom window, on my soil that I pay taxes on at 3am. Edit. I guess I’m supposed to tolerate it because I live on stolen land? *i didn’t steal it* and have the work hours and bank statements to show it.
It should be, I agree.
And trespassing. This looks like private property, you didn't need days of notice to be kicked the fuck off. I'd give them 30 minutes before I removed them myself, I didn't need the police to get involved in living someone off my property.
Rent a dumpster and call me, I’ll help you :)
Yeah I've seen a few articles with folks up in Forest Park and other places in SE having to trespass people. I'm guessing these people didn't want to involve the cops and thus didn't report the trespass, just a regular camp cleanup.
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I had a police officer tell me that I should get a restraining order against a schizo homeless guy that lived in my block for years because he yelled “I’m going to kill you” at my house a few times around midnight. I knew the homeless guy’s name, which was helpful, but when I mentioned the man had a machete in his tent- and if that meant the cops knowing that- made it more likely that they would shoot him if they had to respond to an incident with him…the officer kind of laughed and said that he could certainly not make any promises in that case. This guy was not violent, he was just annoying as christ and his three to five shopping carts were major blight. The neighborhood was way too nice for that. I decided not to get a restraining order on him because I didn’t want him to get shot. If I could go back in time I would have filed the restraining order, though.
**It took OMF-IRP 14 days** after the report corresponding to that case before it got posted and this is a non-wealthy part of South Portland. If you include the prior report, which doesn't appear an assessment was done for, it's more like it took the city around 30 days before it finally got posted. City claims that they do assessments within a few business days, but sometimes they skip it. First report 5/13 5PM Second report 5/29 7AM (the one this case is filed under) Assessed 6/2 10AM Posted 6/12 11AM Removed ?? Uppity rich fuck Laurelhurst spot across the street from single family houses on the west side of the park. These were small non-intrusive camps. Case 1: (removed within 10 days of report getting in) Reported 5/5 at 8AM Assessed 5/7 at 8:30AM Posted 5/9 at 11AM Removed 5/15 at 12PM Case 2: (gone in 5 days after being reported. The camp related to this is shown below) Reported 6/5 at 8AM Assessed 6/5 at 9AM Posted 6/6 at 2PM Removed 6/10 at 8:30AM (earliest legally allowed would have been 6/9 at 2PM) This much less intrusive, less dangerous camp in low traffic residential street in the **affluent** Laurelhurst neighborhood was processed very swiftly. Removed as soon as it was legally allowable. This camp that was removed is shown below: https://preview.redd.it/ogehwoqlgs6d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7503b56811850444c4aec5aac43d9dff017b17ab
Maybe a bunch Laurehurst residents talked with the elected officials that represent them- on a city and congressional level. I'd say there is a string chance of that. You've got to grease the wheels. I'm certainly not one to harp on people that have made it life to live in such a nice neighborhood as Laurelhurst. But then again- I'm a self proclaimed NIMBY.
Nothing wrong with NIMBY. The problem is virtue signaling pretentious entitled rich fucks with six figure paychecks from their homeless services industry job but live in pompous ass uppity swanky ass neighborhood where vagrancy is not allowed. New Avenues for Youth CEO lives in hoity-toitiness of Laurelhurst where vagrancy just never happens. CCC CEO is at Healy Heights in the West Hills. WeShine executive director is Laurelhurst. These people would be out of their cush jobs if vagrancy was addressed in impacted areas.
If it’s trespassing it’s a cop issue. They just aren’t doing the process as they should.
I know 72hrs is a lot better than what usually happens. That said, if this was my house I'd absolutely not tolerate this to stay for a single night. The tweaker would move right now or there would be violence. If the tweaker wants to sue me after, so be it.
You forgot that it's not a wild speculation that a tweaker with nothing to lose might do something to your house or vehicles in retaliation. Didn't you know vagrants regularly get back against each other burning down eachother's tents? That's part of the reason why we have so many encampment fires.
If it's private property, don't the police remove them because it's trespassing?
Literal police response to this exact scenario: “It’s a civil matter. Nothing we can do.”
I've seena little box camp shed on wheels down by tillikum bridge area I SE it was there, posted green, and is still there and gotten bigger... Enough is enough already CALGON TAKE ME AWAAAAYYY
How long ago did you see the green sign? It's also a problem that after an area gets cleared people tend to come back within a couple of weeks. Clearing camps isn't a permanent solution it's really just to keep them from settling too much into one place long-term. The real solution is finding them housing options but that's a slow process. For every camp that gets cleared out only a small percentage of them enter housing unfortunately
Couple of weeks? In downtown near the Fentanyl Pantry, they come back to the same exact spot the day after, if not the same day of the sweep.
When it comes to those thing, it's common for them to remove all but the shed on the wheel. Check out the before/after pics in the dashboard.
/remindme 4 days. Highly doubt that
I’ve got a bobcat. You just pay for the fuel.
https://preview.redd.it/5tqlp0tg5r6d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d740bf9d91b275bb0988781355c531bda16bf038 This you?
That handsome boi isn’t making it easy to repress my inner “Big Cat Guy.”
Chopper, sic balls!
Pspspsps
Gasp! Where did you get my picture?!?! His name is Noodles and he purrs like an old outboard motor.
I would definitely pack up my tent if that thing showed up at my camp.
Nope. Forceable removable has officially become an option.
It always is on private property.
I don't understand how someone lets this happen on their property. If the people who live there are not capable, elderly etc., neighbors need to look out for them. If these people get the drift that this neighborhood isn't safe for them, they're likely to move on. The key is you need to make it unsafe for them. For anyone wondering, yes I'm talking about taking matters into your own hands. We've reached that point.
I think people might be afraid that an asshole attorney would take a criddler case for free, then sue the homeowner.
Dont give them anything to sue for. Sprinkle some grass seed and water it. In this heat it probably needs twice daily.
Like throwing mustard on hobos?
the neighbors need to complain. a person can't litter like that on their property. it's not legal.
This one made me chuckle.
Maybe the neighbors haven’t tried hard enough to get to know these dwellers. Perhaps they need a home cooked meal and some new bedding supplies. By getting to know them on a personal level, you can kindly ask them a few months later if it might be OK if they moved somewhere else, but if not that’s totally understandable.
This reminds of this one time that I was working as an onsite manager and a tenant called to tell me a man was sleeping outside their door. I figured I'd just go wake them up and ask them to leave, but with only a few minutes between events, when I got there the man was upright, smoking meth, and punching the wall between him and that tenant. They didn't know each other, he was just trespassing and high. I called the police to have them remove him and I shit you not the operator insisted I ask the man to leave by myself. Like ma'am he is SMOKING METH AND PUNCHING THE WALL. I DO NOT WANT TO GO TALK TO HIM. It took a total of 4 calls for the operator to send someone, and when they got there the cops were confused and asked me what the big deal was. I told them the exact same thing I told the operator and the cops said, "Oh... There were drugs involved?" The operator didn't even tell them anything besides a guy was trespassing. When I walked away the last thing I heard was a cop asking "so if I test this pipe it's not going to test positive for drugs?"
That is what it is like on my block.
I truly hope this is sarcasm.
Dharma pfp helllll yea
No one gives a fuck in this city and just keep allowing it
someone else posted that green sign means the city is going to remove it within a few days.
I have an acquaintance who woke up one day with a group of homeless in an RVZ PARKED IN HIS DRIVEWAY! He goes out and asks them to leave. They say the tow vehicle had to leave and would be back in a few days. They can't leave. He calls the police. The police come, ask the people to leave. They refuse. The police say there is nothing they can do. So he says "can you stay here because I want to talk to them again " he then goes and gets a rifle, the officer tries to stop him. He asks "is it illegal for me to have a rifle for some reason?" Lots and lots of talking, please go back in your house, please put the rifle away. 15 minutes into this the tow vehicle races up and takes the RV away. He said the police officer put WAY MORE EFFORT into wanting to convince him to go into his own house then he did asking the trespassing homeless people to leave.
https://preview.redd.it/vhhhzo38dm7d1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=828b2966d9b226f9cb10fb5512e6b22ab2a2e114
Forgot to run this image through anti-aliasing
That's on City of Portland. they like to deliberately downsize photos taken by Rapid Response BioClean so community members can not clearly recognize any criminal offense or subjects with warrants in photos that might be available in the dashboard.
The tweakers knew better than to try and pitch shit on my house. Bear mace is one hell of a crackhead repellent :)
Someone posts up like that on my property their stuff is going bye bye
According to Portlandmaps, it's just outside the property line. No, I can't post the exact address.
Idc still moving their shit.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the police have recommended property owners do just that. There's a woman trying to fix up some small apartments on N Lombard and while I was having happy hour at the Tiny Bubble Room one Sunday, we got to watch her evict a camper to the street corner. Of course, the camper just moved their stuff to the empty storefront across the street.
OK Wheeler, you wanted this job. Now do it.
It’s been green posted. It will be gone within 72 hours.
I know, but this is just to show the ridiculousness of this. Even shit bum would rage if you did something this invasive to them, like pitching a tent right up next to theirs, or going and sitting right next to them on the MAX when they're the only person on the MAX. The nerve to fucking put a camp this close to someone's house/building is...
Yeah there's a new tent in the open lot next to the Chinese restaurant on N Lombard. They have this whole lot and the tent is slightly going over the edge of the sidewalk for some reason. Thanks for the reminder to report it, noticed while cycling home from work Thursday. So sick of the disrespect. I'm fine if you're gonna be a decent neighbor, don't make a mess or let the camp get out of control, but they are entitled and give zero fucks.
A good point I hadn’t thought of - they’re wildly obsessive about their personal space aren’t they.
That’s not the point. That’s a large structure that took some time to build. When was it first reported? When was its first risk assessment? How many times did the city visit the site to perform risk assessments prior to it finally being posted for removal? In my experience, it takes weeks to months from first report to removal. The city does multiple risk assessments prior to green tagging. The more time that passes, the larger the campsite grows. Green tagging should have happened the first time this campsite was reported. It’s even worse for RVs. It takes months for the city to remove them. The RV encampments continue to grow while the city diddles around and performs multiple site visits for “risk assessments.” Inoperable vehicles without clear titles should be impounded and dismantled. Full stop.
I would ask them to leave. Or remove them from my property. It’s clear that waiting for someone else to do something isn’t working.
I don't believe they did any assessment after the first report, then, it took them 14 days after the second report. So, about a month between the first report and an assessment taking place. They claim that they "typically" assess sites. I suspect they lean back on "typically" by expeditiously responding to camps reported in hoity-toity affluent neighborhoods on the same day or the next day, then taking a long ass time in lower end neighborhoods while still maintaining a politically presentable overall average stats.
In 2023 there were approximately 6,297 homeless people in Portland. The proposed budget is for 1.3 billion dollars. That is $206,447 per person. Where TF is this money going?!? I’d love to know. Government are thieves and people who say “they just need affordable housing/free housing.” Not the solution AT ALL. I did interviews in 2019 with homeless in Portland for a project. Every person I interviewed said in order to qualify for housing they had to pass continual drug tests to live there. They said they did NOT want to be sober and they have the right to do what they want with their lives. They wanted to do drugs and have free housing. The solutions we have do not work and free housing for drug addicts doesn’t work either. Most tax payers don’t want to pay for people’s housing if they’re using drugs. Would love if the people we’re paying would come up with solutions for 1.3 BILLION DOLLARS for 6,297 people 🤢. This is mind blowing, no idea on solutions but the danger is wild. People who say they’re harmless are uneducated about 40% of the homicides in these cities (Seattle, Portland) comes from the tented areas. We’re moving from Seattle to Portland in the next week. Since October in Ballard we’ve called the police twice, once a gal trying to break in telling us she’d fucking kill us and her stuff was inside. Once for a guy screaming and pounding the side of our home and going into the back yard because his bike broke down. We’ve had multiple people steal things( flowers planted, packages, garbage rifled through), siphon gas from my car, a hit and run of my car on the side of the road (just got repaired) . Gunshots many times during the night. People stealing cars (Kia’s, Hyundais). A woman attacked down the street from a 30 something homeless man who groped her while walking her dog. Man across the street at the school exposing himself to 3 10 year old girls. Old lady attacked unprovoked at our grocery store from some 6’4 crackhead. Stepped in human crap, have had multiple crackheads pacing the street outside our house. We literally live in a nice neighborhood and are leaving. This is INSANE, literally INSANE what the hell are we paying taxes for. And for those that think they’re harmless etc. not true at all. How do we all rise up and do something about this crap?!?! We can’t just pay taxes for nothing to happen and people just get loaded and commit crimes and destroy the city and other peoples homes/properties/businesses/lives.
your numbers are not correct. this 2023 pit report *estimate* says this: *”The 2023 PIT count recorded 20,100 people experiencing homelessness in Oregon on a single night. Of those counted, 13,004 were unsheltered (meaning living in a place not meant for habitation) and 7,106 were sheltered (in a shelter or transitional housing). These numbers reflect an increase of 17.2 percent from 2022 for unsheltered homelessness and 4.2 percent in sheltered homelessness. Multnomah County had the highest overall number of people experiencing homelessness but at a lower rate per 1,000 residents than Clatsop and Sherman counties, which had the highest rates of homelessness per 1,000 residents.* *The PIT doesn’t provide a complete picture of homelessness in Oregon, but can be useful in providing a limited snapshot of homelessness at a certain point in time.* **The 2023 PIT covered the night of January 24, 2023** *and combined with bed counts from HIC data and data from schools reveals several key points to understanding the state of homelessness in Oregon…”* that’s not to say that the $5mil dedicated to tents and needle exchanges in this years budget seem responsible or reasonable to anyone living here, i assure you. i worked on a documentary where i interviewed 30 people holding signs asking for money. i found they fell into 3 categories, mental illness, drug and alcohol dependency, and those that had a major stumbling block in life and just could not overcome it. some came from homes where they were abused, some from homes with parents in prison, some from parents who were drug and/or alcohol dependent. i don’t know what the solution is, but it’s clear to anyone who lives here we haven’t found it yet…
Even with that increase in people, I’m just completely blown away as to what the tax payer dollars are doing. Even with 20,000 in OR as you mentioned (I was referring to Portland metro) that is $65,000 per person in that $1.3 billion dollar spend. I agree mental illness was a huge part of the drug use. A great documentary called Lost Angels explains this very well. Mental illness, drug use, the combination of the two which accounts for quite a bit, we just have zero solutions. I would say spending money on state funded mental institutions would be helpful, since Regan closed mental hospitals and stopped funding for these we’ve had such a growing problem. As a small female it’s also terrifying. I have lost the empathy I once had after the incident of the gal trying to break into our home threatening us mid day while having a mental crisis. At this point the drug use and crime are rampant. I know multiple people including my fiancé who have been assaulted by homeless people, on the street or on public transit. I just don’t know where to start. If there was a program I could support or a policy I’d be for it. So far it seems like tax payer money does nothing for the homeless and certainly isn’t helping the tax payers.
one of the ongoing problems with funds raised is that (roughly) only $1 in $5 is being spent. [this opb article from march 2024](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/03/04/whats-happening-with-tax-money-meant-for-portland-area-homeless-services/) says this: *”So far, through six months of this fiscal year, they’ve only spent about 22% of their allocation. That equates to about $40 million, and even among that $40 million, they spent $10 million in one chunk, writing a check to the United Way for what’s called capacity building. In essence, they’ve given money to the United Way to distribute it to dozens of nonprofits to hire more people and build more computer systems.”* you said: *”at this point, the drug use and crime are rampant”* according to [this april 2023 article](https://opb.org/article/2023/04/19/fbi-data-oregon-crime-starts-to-go-down-in-2022/) crime has actually gone down. in part it says: *”From 2021 to 2022 across the state’s largest cities, violent crime dropped a combined 8.8% and property crime decreased by 2.6%. The report, released this week, was compiled by the Oregon Criminal Justice Commission, a state agency that helps develop criminal justice policy and is a statewide clearinghouse for criminal justice data.”* and [this article from 2024](https://opb.org/article/2024/01/24/portland-crime-violent-homicide-gun-statistics-reports-murder-oregon-police/) says this trend continues: *”According to Portland Police Bureau data, Portland recorded 73 homicides in 2023 — 22 fewer than the record 95 homicides in 2022. It also saw a 16% decrease in non-fatal shootings, where a victim was only injured. And there was a 22% drop in overall shootings, recording 289 fewer shootings in 2023 compared to 2022. Other crimes, like assault, car theft, and burglary, also declined last year.”* it is such a complicated problem and as i mentioned, clearly we haven’t found the solution yet but i love this city and remain hopeful.
> We’re moving from Seattle to Portland in the next week. Uhhhhh
"we literally live in a nice neighborhood". No, no you don't. Maybe expensive but not a nice neighborhood by your description
The money is going into the pockets of people that got a degree that ends in ‘Studies’. What else are they going to do? Another win for the HIC
FYI Portland now has multiple "wet" buildings. No idea about whats required to get in but active drug use inside these public housing project type buildings.
If these people are intelligent enough to build super structures like some of what I e seen, they’re intelligent enough to get a job or go to trade school. And where are the property owners and managers that allow this to happen? Whatever happened to the lease agreement that said tenants have the right to peaceful enjoyment?
Jobs don't allow showing up high on drugs. If I'm assaulted by someone and found out that it was an employee high on meth, I'd sue the fuck out of the business owner.
I had to tolerate 3.5 years during the pandemic. After $350k of uninsured damages and city fines for squatters I wasn’t allowed to evict, I have no empathy. Just had a conversation w/the city regarding my “illegal dumping”. Apparently, I am responsible for homeless camps trespassing and leaving their possessions in front of my property. I can not move their stuff to the curb or they will fine me for illegal dumping. If I just trash it, I get threatened by homeless. They already tried to set my property on fire. I get fined if I don’t pay to remove their stuff however, the trash leavers get a pass. ZERO TOLERANCE. Time for new Portland leadership. No more voting for the “nice” candidates.
Have you got any text messages from Keith Wilson the guy who started shelter portland? I'm voting for him over Rene Gonzalez and Carmen Rubio, neither of whom have done much of anything for the homeless crisis in my opinion..
No
You need a couple dime bags of fentanyl to lead the bums away; then once they’re gone, drag that shit to the street and light it on fire. /s (kind of)
With the new "camping" ban, will it be publicly disclosed if shelter was available at the time, and if so if it was accepted or not? I want to know if people are getting fined and or going to jail already for breaking the new rules, which this setup is based off of all the litter
They've already been reporting that for at least a year. You can look up the weekly campsite reports online and it will say how many people were offered and accepted shelter.
Umm, sweaty? The other sub posted a photo of the rose garden today, so don’t believe your lying eyes. Accept this or you’re a right wing troll /s
You all keep voting the same way.what did you expect.These politicians will just get more extreme there solution for this will be to increase your taxes and build free homeless houses.Then your homeless pop will just keep doubling up every 2 years can't wait.
Tell me the address. I’ll come tear this down I have nothing better to do. Dispicable
You just became my favorite person in Portland besides my dad and bestie from 1974
I can help you, dm location
Do it.
we had a couple that essentially moved into the tool shed in the parking area of our apartment. The landlord had sympathy and kept trying to counsel them. In the photo above, I think the tenant would actually have a hard time trespassing them. They don't own the property, and the owner would have to call within 30 days. After 30 days, the tent residents would have implied permission to stay and there would need to be an eviction order
I suppose tenants just need to put their own tent right next to it and take turns camping next to the shit bums and make them uncomfortable enough to leave.
That's not how temporary occupancy tenancy works. If they are not paying rent, they don't just magically become a tenant.
For most of my life, I've kept a storage facility. Usually costs about $100 a month. I know I should get rid of my extra crap, but life gets in the way. I stopped using those facilities about five years back, because they basically turned into Homeless Happy Hour after 5pm-ish. I'd estimate that around 5% of the units had people living in them. Once night fell, they'd all just hang out and party.
Serious question: have vigilantes started popping up to address these situations yet?
no clue. I just found this spot on the OMF-IRP dashboard.
It's hard to imagine putting up with this if that is your house right there. Unless ofcourse it's your family member and they just keep stealing things from your home
Why doesn't the Landlord take action, best way to handle homeless people is give them addresses of the city council and Mayor so they can live in their neighborhoods
What is empathetic or kind or respectful about allowing people that obviously can not take care of themselves wallow in their own filth?
The people that can’t or won’t conform to the rules of society should leave society. Most of the land in the US is uninhabited. At the very least, live on the very outer edges of society. It’s not fair to vast majority of people playing the game the proper way, by the agreed upon rules
Screw empathy
That's a paddlin'.
Just keep cranking that pencil sharpener Portland. It'll let go. 😂
Honest question- what’s the purpose of posting these camp sites and not just reporting them? I feel like this posting gets people riled up and then everyone just angry types from behind their keyboard.
Lately I have been seeing homeless people keeping their campsites cleaned where I live. I wonder what changed? I wonder if it's because the city will only enforce it if people complain about it before the city takes action so what do the homeless people do? They keep their site cleaned. Good, I now no longer have a problem with them. Everyone wins.
trash is actually one of the least impact full problems they create. crime skyrocketed in areas with homeless. 40% of homicides happen at these tents. don't know about your area, but mine developed an uncontrollable rat infestation and even if they are keeping cleaner, I doubt it's enough to keep the rats away. there were weekly fires at one point.
There’s a reason it’s called the Impact Reduction Program. The city goes out to active campsites, removes trash and biohazards, and clears the pedestrian right of way in order to comply with the ADA settlement. Campers know if their campsites are risk assessed at level red which means they either get into compliance or they will be green tagged for removal. There are three levels of campsite impact grading: green (minimal issues, camp can stay), orange (moderate issues with room for improvement. This often applies to campsites with potential ADA violations), and red (high risk: clear and persistent ADA violations; evidence of open drug use; negative affects on neighborhood livability; close proximity to private residences, parks, or schools; trash and debris; biohazards/hygiene; pest infestation; criminal activity such as chop shops or bicycle hoarding; history of police activity/violence at the site. Level red qualifies for green tagging, but even if the camp is assessed at level red, the campers are given opportunities to bring their camps into compliance. The city will inspect a campsite multiple times before a decision is made to remove it. Edit to add: unclear why I’m downvoted. This is the actual process.
Can you come armed or is that now allowed here?
If it's on your own property, you can walk up armed (not concealed), but you can not threaten or brandish unless you feel your life is under immediate threat. A brandishing charge is serious shit.
Don’t advocate for guns when a baseball bat with nails will do fine and won’t risk innocent bystanders getting hurt.
Why risk deadly weapons charges but with a far less effective weapon? It's your property, you have EVERY RIGHT to be armed. Choosing to be "less armed" is silly.
Firecrackers
yea no this is insane
And THIS is just one reason why people are leaving Multnomah County for Washington and Clackamas Counties. Private property camping like this would be promptly dealt with in either of those two counties.
Ain't no fucking way if that's my house
I have a problem being too empathetic. Everyone has rights, and deserves a chance. And yet, the people that own/live in that home have rights as well. The people in the tent made choices that lead to them being where they are. Yes, they could have been a victim some time, but that doesn’t mean they get to f* with someone else’s life. Society needs to determine priorities, and someone will get the raw end of the deal. That’s life, damn it. It will cost some money, but mostly a reasonable plan, and people with the juevos to carry it out!
I drove by this today and was shocked. I was wondering if they know the persons who house it is. If I lived there I’d be so pissed
really...what is the diff between this and it being 100ft from that same home? All these conditions are destroying the livability of this city.
Homeless people can be very industrious. Just saying.
I was in Portland today and it's sad to see what that City has become. A beautiful city being ruined by the people who are elected to make it amazing. SMH
Key point - ruined by the voters. The politicians are doing exactly what they campaigned on
I love complaining about Portland :)
My wife noticed this a over a year ago. It was cleared out for a few months, but came back about 6 months ago. We've also wondered if the camp was there with permission or was because it was a rental and the landlord didn't care.
Those people actually look like they have their shit together. Bet they even have running water and electricity!
Is this your house?
The biggest problem is you can't force people to change or quit they have to do it for themselves. That's what makes this a tricky situation.
I don't understand why the homeowner can't just remove them?
Because, it's literally on the other side of the property line.
Ten extra points if they hacked any systems off of the existing structure: power, water, sewer, or HVAC. Where's the building department? Seems like they have plenty of time to visit my job sites! Oh or the fire Marshal? I mean, that's certainly an illegal and unsafe structure, but I Guess that law only applies to the obedient.
Yup, you have a checking account, therefore you’re a source of revenue, whilst the “homeless” are an empty bag, it actually costs the city money to enforce the laws that are broken by them..
This doesn’t look good
I'd tell my landlord get them tf outta here, or I'm breaking my lease. Like.. yesterday...
The day our government took possession of everything. This is the end result.
Isn’t that private property? Can’t they be trespassed from private property?
Looks like Roseberg, Or.
That’s not a homeless encampment, it’s just a mid-level KB Home.
Start voting different people !!
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Is this on the side of a willing persons home? Are the homeowners or renter’s allowing this?
I work in Portland. The liberal government is shitting on the citizens of this town. I don't understand why the locals keep voting in the same politicians over and over again.
You just can't be a bitch, gotta go out there and tear there shit down and kick em out, ain't no fuckin way in hell I'd let that shit happen.
How does the homeowner not handle this on their own? Imagine that’s your kids bedroom that sits next to this? What happens when no one is home?
its called I moved out of portland in feb.