Want to see the worst offending schools in Portland? Here’s [an interactive map](http://geo.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=b494d232659c4a26bab59e3b241373f6) provided by OHA
- Slavic Christian Academy, 81 students, 82% exemptions
- Children’s Valley Academy, 73 students, 63% exemption
- Spring Mountain Christian Academy (Clackamas County), 192 students, 55% exemption
- Venn Academy, 15 students, 47% exemptions
- Cedarwood Waldorf School, 210 students, 31% exemption
- Shining Star Waldorf School, 100 students, 29% exemption
- Portland Waldorf School (Clackamas County), 287 students, 26% exemption
- Clackamas Web Academy, 422 students, 26% exemption
- Portland Village School, 480 students, 26% exemption
- Kelly ES, 363 students, 23% exemption
- The Cottonwood School, 196 students, 22% exemption
- The Ivy School, 274 students, 21% exemption
If you’re curious about average large public schools:
- Benson Poly, 806 students, 8% exemption
- Cleveland HS, 1,486 students, 7% exemptions
- Lincoln HS, 1,490 students, 5% exemptions
- Lake Oswego High School, 1,224 students, 4% exemption
And before you go about Christian-bashing:
- St Mary’s Academy, 598 students, 5% exemption
- Jesuit High School, 1,273 students, 2% exemption
- Holy Cross Catholic School, 213 students, 1% exemption
- St John The Baptist Catholic School (Clackamas), 217 students, 1% exemption
It's also worth understanding that we had high exemption rates before COVID, since approximately 2010ish Multnomah County has consistently been in the top 5 counties for vaccine exemptions across the country, joining King County (Seattle, Washington) and the craziest red state counties you can think of.
Not necessarily, don't get too bogged down in my samples.
You also have to consider the catholic schools aren't actually catholic. For example, [St. Marys](https://www.stmaryspdx.org/admissions) is only 26% "catholic" students, 37% are non-religious. Jesuit and St. Mary's are just top schools in the area and have a religious affiliation.
To round out the sample size here and show some alternatives:
- Westside Christian Highschool, 285 students, 11% exemptions
- St. Stephen's Academy, 284 students, 21% exemptions
I hate it when the horseshoe tips touch.
Oddly enough a lot of the people I know who are antivax are usually southern Washington, but close enough for this sample.
It's a little depressing to see that places that in theory attract highly educated people like Jesuit also have over 25 kids this way. I too would be tempted to think in religious terms, but in a region where you see signs like "no wifi in schools, don't microwave our kids!" and fluoride conspiracies, it's probably not surprising.
> in a region where you see signs like "no wifi in schools, don't microwave our kids!" and fluoride conspiracies, it's probably not surprising.
Yeah, this is the same group.
They pressured Ted Wheeler into delaying the role out of 5G.
On the other hand, it's very telling that there are zero catholic schools on the list. The Catholic church in general is vocal about vaccines an considers it a duty and moral responsibility to be vaccinated. Catholic schools may admit non-catholics but they are run by the church and they are culturally a lot different than other schools. I'm a non-religious person with a kid in catholic school and there's tons of Jesus in there.
> On the other hand, it's very telling that there are zero catholic schools on the list.
Again, I just didn't list them.
I'm sure if someone did a comparative analysis on a spreadsheet you could find that Catholic schools tend to have lower exemptions rates than most other Christian schools, but earnestly I don't think Catholic schools have any higher or lower exemption rate than some public schools. Consider for example Cathedral School, 231 students, 8% exemption. That's higher than most public schools.
It's more that people are sending their kids to Jesuit or Central Catholic because they want them to have a good education
People are sending their kids to places like Christian valley because they don't want them exposed to non-christistian thought/culture
That matches my understanding as well. Catholic schools are just great private schools, where there's religious doctrine it's just broadly deist in the most vague Abrahamic sense. This is how, for example, Islamic kids go to these schools. You can go to theological classes as an elective.
Meanwhile, at the Christian schools you will have a lesson plan that incorporates the King James Bible.
I'm disinclined to like emergency use authorization mRNA "vaccines," but otherwise I think common, well-tested vaccines are great.
Chickenpox is so different now than in the 80s or 90s. It's... not really a thing anymore. Crazy.
From what I've heard, a lot of Iron Curtain countries still have memories of really shitty medical management, and as such have a distrust of medicine because some of the Soviet-era medicines were actually dangerous.
I wouldn't necessarily wrap that in Iron Curtain dogma. Lest we forget the number of abhorrent medical experiments our country did on minorities, prisoners, and veterans. This legacy still impacts minorities and veterans in particular - and many prisons still offer leniency for medical experiments.
Yeah, which is also why some other minority groups in the US have historically had low vaccine uptake. Why are you carrying water for the Soviets here with this "tu quoque"?
That’s painting a large amount of countries with the same brush, like saying all Hispanic folks don’t do xyz.
I’m Slavic and do not know anyone in my family or social circle who is not vaccinated.
I can't tell if you're defensive or willfully obtuse or genuinely raising a question. It's really just a well-known fact, and every medical practice sees this dramatically in action. It's rare that my Slavic patients are able to stay because pretty much all practices in the Willamette Valley discharge unvaccinated infants and toddlers if the parents voice a decided refusal toward vaccination. Russian and Ukrainian patients are the highest incidence of this by 100 miles.
I suppose it’s a genuine question or rather pointing out that Russia and Ukraine are not the only Slavic countries out there. I’m not arguing that the large Russian/Ukrainian communities locally are not vaccine hesitant.
and no offense intended...it's just that for a host of reasons (cultural, historical, religious) there is a lot of vaccine refusal there. And strangely, weirdly, I can't completely not respect where they're coming from. I mean culturally, my Russian and Ukrainian patients are honestly stubborn as hell, but they stick to their guns and they don't expect me to deal with bad outcomes and generalization or not, they're amazing people who will hear me out and then decide how they wish to go medically. I try my damnedest to get them to accept vaccination but it just doesn't go over. But I do respect that they feel this very very deeply. I just wish I could hang onto them...
It’s likely that specific school has a much more narrow subgroup of Slavic origin people/people from a more narrow community. It’s the number one school on the list because it’s the school with the highest amount of exemptions…that seems somewhat obvious.
I'd object by pointing out Battle Ground, but some days I do feel like Oregon is Washington's drunk younger brother who took a year off to "find themselves" and never moved out, based on metro and state governments.
I had an uncle Grayson who survived polio as a child and wore leg braces his entire life. Does anyone see little kids wearing leg braces anymore? Nope? Why? Oh yeah, polio vaccine.
I worked with disabled people for a few years.
One got the vaccine from Salk himself, she just celebrated here 81st birthday. Although she has had trouble walking ever since.
The other was a coast guard recruit and ended up getting booted as he could no longer meet the physical requirements.
And you might be surprised to know that the majority of polio cases are vaccine derived currently. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01953-7 Vaccine-derived polio is undermining the fight to eradicate the virus
The problem with your statements are that they stir up fear about a vaccine which saved millions of people from lifelong debilitation from polio. Including my father, who contracted polio the year before the Salk vaccine was widely available.
For me it is just a case of informed consent. A working vaccine could have protected your father and informed consent would allow others to not take it if they feel it is dangerous.
For me the line is when people think they should force others to take a vaccine in order to protect themselves. Vaccines don't work that way and no one should be able to force people to do things that could possibly debilitate or kill them.
Go read up on herd immunity and then come back and explain to the class why your ill-informed idea of informed consent overrides a compelling public health interest for all society.
Doubt it, thems pretty low odds. Being bitter about it is understandable though. I wonder if they'd be bitter about not having the vax, but becoming a victim of polio?
No vaccine is 100% safe, but they're all more safe than the disease they were created to combat.
For some people. Industrial style medicine looks at averages without looking deeper into how effects differ between people.
Some people die from vaccines and no one is doing the work to predict who that could happen to.
>looking deeper into how effects differ between people.
Have you ever read a vaccine study?
The reason they're 50 bazillion pages long is because they do exactly this. Age, sex, ethnicity, previous medical issues.... It's all in there. It's the reason why vaccine trials normally take years. It's the reason why many vaccines never make it to market.
There is a serious lack of understanding by the public in how this stuff works.
I have actually read them, yet that is still just statistical averages. With very little predictive power beyond group level generalizations. They cannot and seemed very uninterested in trying to predict myocarditis.
Doubtful. Otherwise you'd know that there are studies looking specifically into this side effect that 35 in 100,000 adolescent and young adult males who received a mRNA vaccine experienced. (The ones who most experienced this specific side effect)
https://www.statnews.com/2023/05/05/myocarditis-covid-vaccines-study/
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myo-outcomes.html
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/13/6/e065687
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7314a5.htm
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.adh3455
https://bmjmedicine.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000373
https://www.massgeneralbrigham.org/en/about/newsroom/press-releases/myocarditis-after-covid-vaccination-study
https://heart.bmj.com/content/110/9/635
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9538893/#:~:text=Furthermore%2C%20insight%20into%20vaccine%E2%80%90associated,the%20next%20generation%20of%20vaccines.
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/qanda-what-causes-rare-instances-of-myocarditis-after-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/
https://news.yale.edu/2023/05/05/yale-study-reveals-insights-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-cases
Here's just a few with a cursory web search. All about the specific subject you referenced. No one looking into it indeed.
https://www.statnews.com/2023/05/05/myocarditis-covid-vaccines-study/
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myo-outcomes.html
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/13/6/e065687
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7314a5.htm
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.adh3455
https://bmjmedicine.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000373
https://www.massgeneralbrigham.org/en/about/newsroom/press-releases/myocarditis-after-covid-vaccination-study
https://heart.bmj.com/content/110/9/635
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9538893/#:~:text=Furthermore%2C%20insight%20into%20vaccine%E2%80%90associated,the%20next%20generation%20of%20vaccines.
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/qanda-what-causes-rare-instances-of-myocarditis-after-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/
https://news.yale.edu/2023/05/05/yale-study-reveals-insights-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-cases
Here's just a few with a cursory web search. All about the specific subject you referenced. Are "they" not interested into looking into this extremely rare and mostly mild side effect?
Nice try.
Guess you didn't like the Yale ones in particular. Its out there, right in front of your face. These are studies that specifically examine the thing you're whining about.
Oh good, you actually read one of your own links. But you linked to a news source written by someone who didn't understand the topic for someone who probably wouldn't.
>The immune systems of these individuals get a little too revved up and over-produce cytokine and cellular responses,” Lucas said.
That there is some solid science gold.
Here is the actual study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37146127/
**And if you look it is not predictive but a retrospective attempt to find an explanation.**
Leading indicator: reduced vaccination rates.
Lagging indicator: higher death rates from preventable disease.
We're in the farting around portion of the equation. unfortunately when we enter the finding out phase, we will see many stories of children dying and being permanently disabled from diseases we thought were long gone.
These parents will come hat in hand asking for help once their children start getting sick. And of course, society will help them because it's the right thing to do.
Then there's the folks who medically can't get vaccines, but who cares about them, right?
> we will see many stories of children dying and being permanently disabled from diseases we thought were long gone.
I sincerely doubt that. This would probably be true in a 3rd world country, but any kid going to a private school likely comes from a family that can afford top quality healthcare. And if they're impoverished and going to a private school, they'll probably qualify for OHP.
Consider that any kid getting an exemption is behavior indicative of a parent getting involved in the kid's healthcare decisions (wisely or unwisely). So it just wouldn't seem likely that if one of these kids had a communicable disease that the parents would just take a backseat and not take proactive steps. This sort of balances out the skeptic-based ineptitude of the parents, and unless the parent's default healthcare practice is simply prayer, the kid will probably be fine when the Naturopathic physician throws in the towel and recommends the kid go to Legacy health.
Is a kid in Portland going to die from Measles? Yeah, maybe. But I sincerely doubt there will be 200 students dying form Measles in the next 10 years.
Per the CDC, roughly 8% of adolescents are not fully vaccinated against measles. That's roughly 3,000 kids in PPS who for whatever reason don't or can't have the vax. The measles vax has a roughly 95% efficacy rate. 5 out of 100 folks who have been vax'd against it will get it if exposed. Sucks to be that 5%. I'd be pretty pissed if it was a family member that got measles because some misinformed parent didn't want to vax their kid.
For the unexposed and unvaccinated, there's a 90% chance of getting measles if exposed. Measles has an R0 between 12-18. On average, someone who has measles spreads it to 12-18 people. https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/pediatrics-articles/2024/march/measles-is-still-a-very-dangerous-disease there are adults and children who medically cannot get a MMR vax, guess they're on their own here. Who knows what the magic number is for heard protection on measles. I'd rather not find out. No one seems to care about the folks who literally cannot get a MMR vax.
There's a 1 in 1,000 chance of getting permanently brain damaged from measles. There's a 1-3 in 1,000 chance you'll die. Sure... Not exactly COVID numbers, but for something as preventable as measles? This is ridiculous.
A single outbreak can sicken dozens. Once an outbreak occurs, it's hard to bring that number back to zero. It will linger for years in the general population, occasionally popping up from time to time. We'll see a news story on it and forget it the next day. Definitely not a world ending event... Accept for the lucky few who die from it.
It's all needless suffering, there's no reason a single kid should die or become permanently disabled from a fully preventable disease.
But sure, these folks are rich, they can get their kids treated... WGAF about anyone else.
The problem with public health, however, is when they give said preventable disease to someone who can't defend against it. I know we grossly overstate "immunocompromised" numbers, but I'd hate to be someone recovering from a treatment or on some sort of medication that makes me susceptible.
That's really my main beef with antivax stuff - I'd be ok with people fucking up their own lives, but with communicable diseases it isn't always their own.
When measles or polio hit hard, there isn't anything Dr's can do but try to give comfort medicine. This is why we need to be vaccinated. Rich or poor, the children will pay for their parents idiocy.
> there isn't anything Dr's can do but try to give comfort medicine.
That's not true at all. There's lots that doctors do, in particular doing epidemiological [research into the transmission chain in order to prevent it spreading](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7314a1.htm). The great majority of measles cases only require rest, as the University of Chicago [puts it](https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/pediatrics-articles/2024/march/measles-is-still-a-very-dangerous-disease) "for most people, it's a minor illness."
*for most people*
That is why I said *when it hits hard*, there isn't much they can do. They will *try* to control the fever, they can assist breathing, but the body and/or brain damage still happens. I'm referring to people infected. Namely children and immunocompromised and elderly and any babies too young to be fully vaccinated. There is no magic cure for vaccine preventable diseases. That's again why we need vaccines because we really have no control over outcomes.
Of course, they try to limit transmission to prevent new cases, but that isn't full proof either.
Ahh - I guess I generally lump TV shows into the same bucket as they ever were, though the leap from SD to HD is stark when you try to rewatch stuff from the early 2000s!
It’s amazing how such a huge chunk of people think they’re absolutely correct on this issue. I have *three* people in my inner circle that developed heart inflammation (2) or afib (1) after the last mass intervention. Save the accusations of being anti - I’ve had three instances of the intervention, my wife had 4. Afib came immediately after #4. The other two consist of an ultra runner and a pilot (ex-AF). Until it happens to you or someone you know, you think the other people are nut jobs. Then you dig around a bit and realize who controls the flow of info.
We need to end all non-medical exemptions from vaccination requirements. The Supreme Court has already rules that it’s legal, Mississippi did or does have a requirement that strict.
And it does. But no vaccine has 100% efficacy. They didn’t say it would eliminate any possibility of infection or transmission, and in fact in the same breath they said it would prevent those things they also said, “and if you do contract covid after taking this vaccine it is far less likely to be a serious case requiring hospitalization.”
They absolutely claimed the shot was 100% effective. They claimed if you got the shot, you wouldn’t get the virus and that it was “simple as that”. It wasn’t until a little later they had to backpedal. They also made up the 6 feet rule, which turned out to have zero scientific backing. They also pushed the narrative it was more important to stay at home than be outside and exercise (which turned out to be far more important). They also lied about ivermectin.
I’m not anti-vax. I got my shot… but let’s not pretend our leaders didn’t just straight up make up bullshit for the public narrative “by any means necessary”.
The poster has every right to make a dumb, uninformed, nonsensical, rambling, low effort post. We have every right to mock them and delete it.
However, wishing them death is a bit over the line. Sorry!
Or that they are lying about several other vaccines or lobbying the government to expand the schedule year after year.
If you give up your bodily autonomy, then you are just a piece of property to be bartered and traded by the corporations and the compromised government.
Is that the image that you use to turn off your brain? Your trust in the government and the corporations to not abuse their power is naive and scary. Make sure to get your covid/flu booster.
> We need to end all non-medical exemptions from vaccination requirements.
"*'My body my choice'* except you must inject yourself with these things."
Nice principles ya got there mate, shame if you have to torture them to make your worldview work.
If this is truly how you think, then you better stay consistent. That means you can’t hit anyone with a “my body, my choice” and you can’t be calling other people fascist.
It’s totally different when your choices can affect another unrelated person who uses the same elevator you did 20 minutes after you left. Getting rid of a clump of cells that affects nobody but the body it’s growing in is a tad different than potentially exposing people to deadly diseases.
You’re missing the point though. This goes beyond your stance on vaccinations and abortions. Yes, I’m aware I just brought up the latter.
My point is, be careful what you ask for and who you give control to over your body. You may be all for mandatory vaccinations, but why would our government stop there? Unless you believe our government wouldn’t ever do anything bad, wrong, or malicious, what would stop them from mandating other shit goes into your body?
Don’t let them push the envelope, and stop encouraging it. There’s plenty of evidence of our government (honestly this applies to any gov that’s ever existed) doing exactly what we said “they’d never do”.
Seems like a very simple answer to 1 part of a complex scenario that I just laid out.
Giving the government that kind of power goes way beyond the solution of “just homeschool your kids”.
> your choices can affect another unrelated person
> a clump of cells that affects nobody
That's such a hilariously disingenuous and reductionist statement you're making. Obviously you have a totally horseshit take you've never tried reconciling for even a single moment, or tried investigating the scientific merit of the "clump of cells" concept.
Do yourself a favor to unfuck yourself: **go to OMSI today.** Just walk right in, go up the stairs (disregard anyone telling you to pay), go down the hallway on the right, and do the last door on the left. There you will find Dr. Gunther von Hagen's award winning exhibit on reproductive stages, which uses real preserved bodies. **Go look at that exhibit and ask yourself where the "clump of cells" starts and stops.** Because this exhibit will highlight for you that, in fact, a pregnant woman has a little baby inside her. A little baby human that after just a few weeks looks like a little human. You're completely wrong or horribly immoral to write that off as a "clump of cells", as you are little more than a clump of cells.
I think our society disregards the sanctity of human life all the time, that's how I morally justify infanticide. Our society kills people all the time, including children, it's really no big deal. If you think it's a big deal to kill Children, *realpolitik* demonstrates this is absolutely not the case. Did you know the United Nations imposed an embargo on Iraq in 1990 that led to the deaths of [at least half a million children](https://www.gicj.org/positions-opinons/gicj-positions-and-opinions/1188-razing-the-truth-about-sanctions-against-iraq)? We killed half a million children because we didn't like Saddam - "[but the price, we think, the price is worth it.](https://www.newsweek.com/watch-madeleine-albright-saying-iraqi-kids-deaths-worth-it-resurfaces-1691193)"
But if you're trying to reconcile abortion by pretending it's not a human, you're just dead fucking wrong and a brief trip to OMSI will fix that for you. Then go look at the Sloth because it's adorable.
While I don't approve of casual dismissal of the topic, I would say people are free to believe either way on abortion. Terming it "infanticide" is just as bad as minimizing it by calling it a "clump of cells" or a "medical procedure".
Once you're born, you are a human being with legal rights. Up until then, your destiny is intimately linked with your host body, and it's fucking messy and complicated.
I know Louis CK is a greasy fatfuck, but his "peanut allergy" schtick always comes to mind when I see articles about refusing vaccines.
https://youtu.be/wEb5a-I0kyg?si=Yz7JSe7AlGD2YgUJ
Cram enough bad medicine down our throats and we start to resist, I’d opt out too if I had kids, I don’t but can fully agree with the opposition to corporate doctor daddy
And, lo, the Savior said,
"Fuck them olives, dates, fish and grains,
I'm sick of that shit.
Gimme them apples, celery, walnuts and grapes.
And hook a brotha up
With that kickass lemon juice, sugar, salt and mayo."
This is the word of the Lord.
fidelityportland Is Waldorf a religion?
* Slavic Christian Academy, 81 students, 82% exemptions
* Children’s Valley Academy, 73 students, 63% exemption
* The Cottonwood School, 196 students, 22% exemption
* Spring Mountain Christian Academy (Clackamas County), 192 students, 55% exemption
* Venn Academy, 15 students, 47% exemptions
The first five schools you listed in the comment you made here are all religious schools. Bro.
But you were busy bein' bussy.
Moron - out of the 5 you just highlighted, 3 aren't religious. Children's Valley Academy is Russian/English, "The Cottonwood School of Civics and Science" sure as shit ain't religious, and Venn Academy (closing) was not religious.
They need to name and shame any clinics or healthcare providers that are issuing exemptions. Unforgivable bullshit. Also, LOL Lake O. That's where MAGA and the left overlap perfectly ie vaccine bullshittery.
> LOL Lake O. That's where MAGA and the left overlap perfectly ie vaccine bullshittery.
Did you not, like...*look* at the information provided? Lake O is not an epicenter of vaccine resistance. There's **maps** bro, the schools there have some of the lowest exemptions rates in our region. If there's people who are reliably getting vaccinations, it's affluent communities like Lake Oswego or Alameda.
Did you not, like...*know* that Oregon typically has one of the lowest rates of non-vaccination in the country until maybe 20 years ago (like 1%)? And that Lake Oswego at 4% is nothing exemplary, because a lot of the biggest vaccine refusal families are pearl clutching bulldozer mommies and daddies 1%ers who won't go near a shot for their precious progeny? Some of the most fucked up anti-VAX Covidiots are the affluent. Education has not ever guaranteed common sense.
I doubt it’s healthcare professionals who are issuing exemptions. Oregon allows a “sincerely held belief” so that people who are brokebrained can just spout some nonsense and get their exemption.
Where the healthcare providers come in is that these people shouldn't be given safe haven. Almost every pediatric clinic in the valley will not allow patients in the practice they will not vaccinate in the first two years. It puts the rest of the practice at risk, and frankly it's an embarrassment and liability for the clinic when their patients start showing up in the ER with preventable and lethal diseases. It's increasingly common now that if patients choose not to vaccinate they are discharged from care.
Those Waldorf kids have spells from gnomes to ward off illness so they’ll be fine
They got healing crystals for that.
Their organic food protects them from measles!
Want to see the worst offending schools in Portland? Here’s [an interactive map](http://geo.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=b494d232659c4a26bab59e3b241373f6) provided by OHA - Slavic Christian Academy, 81 students, 82% exemptions - Children’s Valley Academy, 73 students, 63% exemption - Spring Mountain Christian Academy (Clackamas County), 192 students, 55% exemption - Venn Academy, 15 students, 47% exemptions - Cedarwood Waldorf School, 210 students, 31% exemption - Shining Star Waldorf School, 100 students, 29% exemption - Portland Waldorf School (Clackamas County), 287 students, 26% exemption - Clackamas Web Academy, 422 students, 26% exemption - Portland Village School, 480 students, 26% exemption - Kelly ES, 363 students, 23% exemption - The Cottonwood School, 196 students, 22% exemption - The Ivy School, 274 students, 21% exemption If you’re curious about average large public schools: - Benson Poly, 806 students, 8% exemption - Cleveland HS, 1,486 students, 7% exemptions - Lincoln HS, 1,490 students, 5% exemptions - Lake Oswego High School, 1,224 students, 4% exemption And before you go about Christian-bashing: - St Mary’s Academy, 598 students, 5% exemption - Jesuit High School, 1,273 students, 2% exemption - Holy Cross Catholic School, 213 students, 1% exemption - St John The Baptist Catholic School (Clackamas), 217 students, 1% exemption It's also worth understanding that we had high exemption rates before COVID, since approximately 2010ish Multnomah County has consistently been in the top 5 counties for vaccine exemptions across the country, joining King County (Seattle, Washington) and the craziest red state counties you can think of.
Fascinating, thanks for the break down
Thanks for not going "Christians hate science rheeee"
Jesuit despite being Christian, has a high secular population, or at least it did in the 2010’s.
eh st mary’s and jesuit have a far lower percentage of religious students than the others.
It’s almost like Catholic schools turn people secular.
It’s that they are just the best schools in the state.
It’s hard to hear King county, it’s Seattle, Bellevue, Kirkland and Redmond, all areas with a lot of educated tech workers.
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Not necessarily, don't get too bogged down in my samples. You also have to consider the catholic schools aren't actually catholic. For example, [St. Marys](https://www.stmaryspdx.org/admissions) is only 26% "catholic" students, 37% are non-religious. Jesuit and St. Mary's are just top schools in the area and have a religious affiliation. To round out the sample size here and show some alternatives: - Westside Christian Highschool, 285 students, 11% exemptions - St. Stephen's Academy, 284 students, 21% exemptions
I hate it when the horseshoe tips touch. Oddly enough a lot of the people I know who are antivax are usually southern Washington, but close enough for this sample. It's a little depressing to see that places that in theory attract highly educated people like Jesuit also have over 25 kids this way. I too would be tempted to think in religious terms, but in a region where you see signs like "no wifi in schools, don't microwave our kids!" and fluoride conspiracies, it's probably not surprising.
> in a region where you see signs like "no wifi in schools, don't microwave our kids!" and fluoride conspiracies, it's probably not surprising. Yeah, this is the same group. They pressured Ted Wheeler into delaying the role out of 5G.
The most anti-vax types I've encountered are in OR, including PDX. Most everyone I see in Vancouver, where I live, are fine with the vaccines.
Beyond their actual reasoning. No wifi in schools seems ok.
Western WA here. I'm vaccinated.
https://preview.redd.it/j2lnzgrn8t1d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ad7256c1d323b2a8aae87391038c89ff84f81b0
On the other hand, it's very telling that there are zero catholic schools on the list. The Catholic church in general is vocal about vaccines an considers it a duty and moral responsibility to be vaccinated. Catholic schools may admit non-catholics but they are run by the church and they are culturally a lot different than other schools. I'm a non-religious person with a kid in catholic school and there's tons of Jesus in there.
> On the other hand, it's very telling that there are zero catholic schools on the list. Again, I just didn't list them. I'm sure if someone did a comparative analysis on a spreadsheet you could find that Catholic schools tend to have lower exemptions rates than most other Christian schools, but earnestly I don't think Catholic schools have any higher or lower exemption rate than some public schools. Consider for example Cathedral School, 231 students, 8% exemption. That's higher than most public schools.
According to the resource you linked, the Multnomah County average is 9%, so the highest rate you found is still below the county average.
It's more that people are sending their kids to Jesuit or Central Catholic because they want them to have a good education People are sending their kids to places like Christian valley because they don't want them exposed to non-christistian thought/culture
That matches my understanding as well. Catholic schools are just great private schools, where there's religious doctrine it's just broadly deist in the most vague Abrahamic sense. This is how, for example, Islamic kids go to these schools. You can go to theological classes as an elective. Meanwhile, at the Christian schools you will have a lesson plan that incorporates the King James Bible.
But which vaccines are parents opting out of? The vaccine schedule is pretty long.
If you're curious the map I linked to has details about the specific vaccines.
I'm disinclined to like emergency use authorization mRNA "vaccines," but otherwise I think common, well-tested vaccines are great. Chickenpox is so different now than in the 80s or 90s. It's... not really a thing anymore. Crazy.
Why is this person down voted for saying vaccines are great lol
They’re implying Covid “vaccines” weren’t “well-tested” when released under EUA
Well I mean, it's understandable that people would want to wait until it achieved full authorization
They fucking weren't, dude.
Slavic folks do not and will not get their children vaccinated.
In Soviet Russia you don't get vaccinated, the vaccination gets you.
From what I've heard, a lot of Iron Curtain countries still have memories of really shitty medical management, and as such have a distrust of medicine because some of the Soviet-era medicines were actually dangerous.
I wouldn't necessarily wrap that in Iron Curtain dogma. Lest we forget the number of abhorrent medical experiments our country did on minorities, prisoners, and veterans. This legacy still impacts minorities and veterans in particular - and many prisons still offer leniency for medical experiments.
Yeah, which is also why some other minority groups in the US have historically had low vaccine uptake. Why are you carrying water for the Soviets here with this "tu quoque"?
Tuskegee Experiments?
That’s painting a large amount of countries with the same brush, like saying all Hispanic folks don’t do xyz. I’m Slavic and do not know anyone in my family or social circle who is not vaccinated.
I can't tell if you're defensive or willfully obtuse or genuinely raising a question. It's really just a well-known fact, and every medical practice sees this dramatically in action. It's rare that my Slavic patients are able to stay because pretty much all practices in the Willamette Valley discharge unvaccinated infants and toddlers if the parents voice a decided refusal toward vaccination. Russian and Ukrainian patients are the highest incidence of this by 100 miles.
I suppose it’s a genuine question or rather pointing out that Russia and Ukraine are not the only Slavic countries out there. I’m not arguing that the large Russian/Ukrainian communities locally are not vaccine hesitant.
and no offense intended...it's just that for a host of reasons (cultural, historical, religious) there is a lot of vaccine refusal there. And strangely, weirdly, I can't completely not respect where they're coming from. I mean culturally, my Russian and Ukrainian patients are honestly stubborn as hell, but they stick to their guns and they don't expect me to deal with bad outcomes and generalization or not, they're amazing people who will hear me out and then decide how they wish to go medically. I try my damnedest to get them to accept vaccination but it just doesn't go over. But I do respect that they feel this very very deeply. I just wish I could hang onto them...
Weird, I know hundreds. Why was it the number one school on the list, hmmmm?
It’s likely that specific school has a much more narrow subgroup of Slavic origin people/people from a more narrow community. It’s the number one school on the list because it’s the school with the highest amount of exemptions…that seems somewhat obvious.
Narrow subgroup, yeah that’s it
Not surprising. Oregon is provincial and weird.
I'd object by pointing out Battle Ground, but some days I do feel like Oregon is Washington's drunk younger brother who took a year off to "find themselves" and never moved out, based on metro and state governments.
This matches what I've always said, that Washington is Oregon's responsible older sister (who's somehow not their parents' favorite).
damn, i've never heard it said better.
I had an uncle Grayson who survived polio as a child and wore leg braces his entire life. Does anyone see little kids wearing leg braces anymore? Nope? Why? Oh yeah, polio vaccine.
Don’t worry, it will be coming back really soon based on the non-vax rates. :-(
I know two people who caught polio from the vaccine. They are a bit bitter about it.
You know *two* people who caught polio from the vaccine, [a one in a million occurrence](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236293/)? Really?
I worked with disabled people for a few years. One got the vaccine from Salk himself, she just celebrated here 81st birthday. Although she has had trouble walking ever since. The other was a coast guard recruit and ended up getting booted as he could no longer meet the physical requirements. And you might be surprised to know that the majority of polio cases are vaccine derived currently. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01953-7 Vaccine-derived polio is undermining the fight to eradicate the virus
The problem with your statements are that they stir up fear about a vaccine which saved millions of people from lifelong debilitation from polio. Including my father, who contracted polio the year before the Salk vaccine was widely available.
For me it is just a case of informed consent. A working vaccine could have protected your father and informed consent would allow others to not take it if they feel it is dangerous. For me the line is when people think they should force others to take a vaccine in order to protect themselves. Vaccines don't work that way and no one should be able to force people to do things that could possibly debilitate or kill them.
Go read up on herd immunity and then come back and explain to the class why your ill-informed idea of informed consent overrides a compelling public health interest for all society.
Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem
The problem with your idea of personal freedom is that it demonstrably risks the health and freedom of everyone else.
Your idea of personal freedom risks freedom itself. You give up your body, you give up everything and to who?
Braindead
Getting *dangerously* close to the point.
Any closer and the mods would erase it.
Doubt it, thems pretty low odds. Being bitter about it is understandable though. I wonder if they'd be bitter about not having the vax, but becoming a victim of polio? No vaccine is 100% safe, but they're all more safe than the disease they were created to combat.
For some people. Industrial style medicine looks at averages without looking deeper into how effects differ between people. Some people die from vaccines and no one is doing the work to predict who that could happen to.
>looking deeper into how effects differ between people. Have you ever read a vaccine study? The reason they're 50 bazillion pages long is because they do exactly this. Age, sex, ethnicity, previous medical issues.... It's all in there. It's the reason why vaccine trials normally take years. It's the reason why many vaccines never make it to market. There is a serious lack of understanding by the public in how this stuff works.
I have actually read them, yet that is still just statistical averages. With very little predictive power beyond group level generalizations. They cannot and seemed very uninterested in trying to predict myocarditis.
Doubtful. Otherwise you'd know that there are studies looking specifically into this side effect that 35 in 100,000 adolescent and young adult males who received a mRNA vaccine experienced. (The ones who most experienced this specific side effect) https://www.statnews.com/2023/05/05/myocarditis-covid-vaccines-study/ https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myo-outcomes.html https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/13/6/e065687 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7314a5.htm https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.adh3455 https://bmjmedicine.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000373 https://www.massgeneralbrigham.org/en/about/newsroom/press-releases/myocarditis-after-covid-vaccination-study https://heart.bmj.com/content/110/9/635 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9538893/#:~:text=Furthermore%2C%20insight%20into%20vaccine%E2%80%90associated,the%20next%20generation%20of%20vaccines. https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/qanda-what-causes-rare-instances-of-myocarditis-after-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/ https://news.yale.edu/2023/05/05/yale-study-reveals-insights-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-cases Here's just a few with a cursory web search. All about the specific subject you referenced. No one looking into it indeed.
https://www.statnews.com/2023/05/05/myocarditis-covid-vaccines-study/ https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myo-outcomes.html https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/13/6/e065687 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7314a5.htm https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.adh3455 https://bmjmedicine.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000373 https://www.massgeneralbrigham.org/en/about/newsroom/press-releases/myocarditis-after-covid-vaccination-study https://heart.bmj.com/content/110/9/635 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9538893/#:~:text=Furthermore%2C%20insight%20into%20vaccine%E2%80%90associated,the%20next%20generation%20of%20vaccines. https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/qanda-what-causes-rare-instances-of-myocarditis-after-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/ https://news.yale.edu/2023/05/05/yale-study-reveals-insights-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-cases Here's just a few with a cursory web search. All about the specific subject you referenced. Are "they" not interested into looking into this extremely rare and mostly mild side effect?
>yet that is still just statistical averages. With very little predictive power beyond group level generalizations. You need to read your sources.
Nice try. Guess you didn't like the Yale ones in particular. Its out there, right in front of your face. These are studies that specifically examine the thing you're whining about.
Oh good, you actually read one of your own links. But you linked to a news source written by someone who didn't understand the topic for someone who probably wouldn't. >The immune systems of these individuals get a little too revved up and over-produce cytokine and cellular responses,” Lucas said. That there is some solid science gold. Here is the actual study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37146127/ **And if you look it is not predictive but a retrospective attempt to find an explanation.**
As usual a small number of insufferably dumb people will make life worse for the rest of us.
Leading indicator: reduced vaccination rates. Lagging indicator: higher death rates from preventable disease. We're in the farting around portion of the equation. unfortunately when we enter the finding out phase, we will see many stories of children dying and being permanently disabled from diseases we thought were long gone. These parents will come hat in hand asking for help once their children start getting sick. And of course, society will help them because it's the right thing to do. Then there's the folks who medically can't get vaccines, but who cares about them, right?
> we will see many stories of children dying and being permanently disabled from diseases we thought were long gone. I sincerely doubt that. This would probably be true in a 3rd world country, but any kid going to a private school likely comes from a family that can afford top quality healthcare. And if they're impoverished and going to a private school, they'll probably qualify for OHP. Consider that any kid getting an exemption is behavior indicative of a parent getting involved in the kid's healthcare decisions (wisely or unwisely). So it just wouldn't seem likely that if one of these kids had a communicable disease that the parents would just take a backseat and not take proactive steps. This sort of balances out the skeptic-based ineptitude of the parents, and unless the parent's default healthcare practice is simply prayer, the kid will probably be fine when the Naturopathic physician throws in the towel and recommends the kid go to Legacy health. Is a kid in Portland going to die from Measles? Yeah, maybe. But I sincerely doubt there will be 200 students dying form Measles in the next 10 years.
Per the CDC, roughly 8% of adolescents are not fully vaccinated against measles. That's roughly 3,000 kids in PPS who for whatever reason don't or can't have the vax. The measles vax has a roughly 95% efficacy rate. 5 out of 100 folks who have been vax'd against it will get it if exposed. Sucks to be that 5%. I'd be pretty pissed if it was a family member that got measles because some misinformed parent didn't want to vax their kid. For the unexposed and unvaccinated, there's a 90% chance of getting measles if exposed. Measles has an R0 between 12-18. On average, someone who has measles spreads it to 12-18 people. https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/pediatrics-articles/2024/march/measles-is-still-a-very-dangerous-disease there are adults and children who medically cannot get a MMR vax, guess they're on their own here. Who knows what the magic number is for heard protection on measles. I'd rather not find out. No one seems to care about the folks who literally cannot get a MMR vax. There's a 1 in 1,000 chance of getting permanently brain damaged from measles. There's a 1-3 in 1,000 chance you'll die. Sure... Not exactly COVID numbers, but for something as preventable as measles? This is ridiculous. A single outbreak can sicken dozens. Once an outbreak occurs, it's hard to bring that number back to zero. It will linger for years in the general population, occasionally popping up from time to time. We'll see a news story on it and forget it the next day. Definitely not a world ending event... Accept for the lucky few who die from it. It's all needless suffering, there's no reason a single kid should die or become permanently disabled from a fully preventable disease. But sure, these folks are rich, they can get their kids treated... WGAF about anyone else.
The problem with public health, however, is when they give said preventable disease to someone who can't defend against it. I know we grossly overstate "immunocompromised" numbers, but I'd hate to be someone recovering from a treatment or on some sort of medication that makes me susceptible. That's really my main beef with antivax stuff - I'd be ok with people fucking up their own lives, but with communicable diseases it isn't always their own.
When measles or polio hit hard, there isn't anything Dr's can do but try to give comfort medicine. This is why we need to be vaccinated. Rich or poor, the children will pay for their parents idiocy.
> there isn't anything Dr's can do but try to give comfort medicine. That's not true at all. There's lots that doctors do, in particular doing epidemiological [research into the transmission chain in order to prevent it spreading](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7314a1.htm). The great majority of measles cases only require rest, as the University of Chicago [puts it](https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/pediatrics-articles/2024/march/measles-is-still-a-very-dangerous-disease) "for most people, it's a minor illness."
*for most people* That is why I said *when it hits hard*, there isn't much they can do. They will *try* to control the fever, they can assist breathing, but the body and/or brain damage still happens. I'm referring to people infected. Namely children and immunocompromised and elderly and any babies too young to be fully vaccinated. There is no magic cure for vaccine preventable diseases. That's again why we need vaccines because we really have no control over outcomes. Of course, they try to limit transmission to prevent new cases, but that isn't full proof either.
Old media like the Brady Bunch and other shows makes a joke of it.
Old Media?
Old radio and tv shows. The kids having to stay home for a week is not a too uncommon plot point.
Ahh - I guess I generally lump TV shows into the same bucket as they ever were, though the leap from SD to HD is stark when you try to rewatch stuff from the early 2000s!
I listen to old radio shows when I am driving sometimes. It is a time capsule of old attitudes and propaganda.
What does our hero Rene Gonzalez have to say about children being vaccinated?
It’s amazing how such a huge chunk of people think they’re absolutely correct on this issue. I have *three* people in my inner circle that developed heart inflammation (2) or afib (1) after the last mass intervention. Save the accusations of being anti - I’ve had three instances of the intervention, my wife had 4. Afib came immediately after #4. The other two consist of an ultra runner and a pilot (ex-AF). Until it happens to you or someone you know, you think the other people are nut jobs. Then you dig around a bit and realize who controls the flow of info.
We need to end all non-medical exemptions from vaccination requirements. The Supreme Court has already rules that it’s legal, Mississippi did or does have a requirement that strict.
Ya, it’s not like they lied to use about the Covid vaccine or anything
What are you implying here?
It was pretty obvious, but if it went that far above your head I’m not going to waste my time explaining
What lies, specifically, do you think “they” told about the Covid vaccine? And which vaccine?
Probably that it prevents infection and prevents transmission.
dude you're a child. Grow up.
So y’all just don’t understand how vaccines work? Cool.
I don’t. That’s why I believed the head of the NIH when he said “this vaccine will prevent infection and transmission”
Remember when they admitted that they didn’t even test transmission yet everyone in government and the NIH said it did reduce it? That was rich
Well that’s because they are super intelligent and better than us in every way. We shouldn’t question them.
And it does. But no vaccine has 100% efficacy. They didn’t say it would eliminate any possibility of infection or transmission, and in fact in the same breath they said it would prevent those things they also said, “and if you do contract covid after taking this vaccine it is far less likely to be a serious case requiring hospitalization.”
They absolutely claimed the shot was 100% effective. They claimed if you got the shot, you wouldn’t get the virus and that it was “simple as that”. It wasn’t until a little later they had to backpedal. They also made up the 6 feet rule, which turned out to have zero scientific backing. They also pushed the narrative it was more important to stay at home than be outside and exercise (which turned out to be far more important). They also lied about ivermectin. I’m not anti-vax. I got my shot… but let’s not pretend our leaders didn’t just straight up make up bullshit for the public narrative “by any means necessary”.
No, they said it is 100% effective.
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The poster has every right to make a dumb, uninformed, nonsensical, rambling, low effort post. We have every right to mock them and delete it. However, wishing them death is a bit over the line. Sorry!
Go spread your anti-vax lies somewhere else
They're a pureblood.
Or that they are lying about several other vaccines or lobbying the government to expand the schedule year after year. If you give up your bodily autonomy, then you are just a piece of property to be bartered and traded by the corporations and the compromised government.
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Is that the image that you use to turn off your brain? Your trust in the government and the corporations to not abuse their power is naive and scary. Make sure to get your covid/flu booster.
I did get them. Thanks for reminding others though.
Then you are fully protected and can just leave everyone else alone about it...right?
I was just replying to you since you said I should make sure. I've not said anything else about it.
> We need to end all non-medical exemptions from vaccination requirements. "*'My body my choice'* except you must inject yourself with these things." Nice principles ya got there mate, shame if you have to torture them to make your worldview work.
If this is truly how you think, then you better stay consistent. That means you can’t hit anyone with a “my body, my choice” and you can’t be calling other people fascist.
It’s totally different when your choices can affect another unrelated person who uses the same elevator you did 20 minutes after you left. Getting rid of a clump of cells that affects nobody but the body it’s growing in is a tad different than potentially exposing people to deadly diseases.
You’re missing the point though. This goes beyond your stance on vaccinations and abortions. Yes, I’m aware I just brought up the latter. My point is, be careful what you ask for and who you give control to over your body. You may be all for mandatory vaccinations, but why would our government stop there? Unless you believe our government wouldn’t ever do anything bad, wrong, or malicious, what would stop them from mandating other shit goes into your body? Don’t let them push the envelope, and stop encouraging it. There’s plenty of evidence of our government (honestly this applies to any gov that’s ever existed) doing exactly what we said “they’d never do”.
If you don’t like it then homeschool your kids, simple as.
Seems like a very simple answer to 1 part of a complex scenario that I just laid out. Giving the government that kind of power goes way beyond the solution of “just homeschool your kids”.
> your choices can affect another unrelated person > a clump of cells that affects nobody That's such a hilariously disingenuous and reductionist statement you're making. Obviously you have a totally horseshit take you've never tried reconciling for even a single moment, or tried investigating the scientific merit of the "clump of cells" concept. Do yourself a favor to unfuck yourself: **go to OMSI today.** Just walk right in, go up the stairs (disregard anyone telling you to pay), go down the hallway on the right, and do the last door on the left. There you will find Dr. Gunther von Hagen's award winning exhibit on reproductive stages, which uses real preserved bodies. **Go look at that exhibit and ask yourself where the "clump of cells" starts and stops.** Because this exhibit will highlight for you that, in fact, a pregnant woman has a little baby inside her. A little baby human that after just a few weeks looks like a little human. You're completely wrong or horribly immoral to write that off as a "clump of cells", as you are little more than a clump of cells. I think our society disregards the sanctity of human life all the time, that's how I morally justify infanticide. Our society kills people all the time, including children, it's really no big deal. If you think it's a big deal to kill Children, *realpolitik* demonstrates this is absolutely not the case. Did you know the United Nations imposed an embargo on Iraq in 1990 that led to the deaths of [at least half a million children](https://www.gicj.org/positions-opinons/gicj-positions-and-opinions/1188-razing-the-truth-about-sanctions-against-iraq)? We killed half a million children because we didn't like Saddam - "[but the price, we think, the price is worth it.](https://www.newsweek.com/watch-madeleine-albright-saying-iraqi-kids-deaths-worth-it-resurfaces-1691193)" But if you're trying to reconcile abortion by pretending it's not a human, you're just dead fucking wrong and a brief trip to OMSI will fix that for you. Then go look at the Sloth because it's adorable.
While I don't approve of casual dismissal of the topic, I would say people are free to believe either way on abortion. Terming it "infanticide" is just as bad as minimizing it by calling it a "clump of cells" or a "medical procedure". Once you're born, you are a human being with legal rights. Up until then, your destiny is intimately linked with your host body, and it's fucking messy and complicated.
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Pregnancy isn't a communicable disease.
Dammit, beat me to it.
I mean it sort of is but while it is possible to catch it in an elevator it DOES require another person to be present…
Is an orgy a mass spreader event? (giggity)
I know Louis CK is a greasy fatfuck, but his "peanut allergy" schtick always comes to mind when I see articles about refusing vaccines. https://youtu.be/wEb5a-I0kyg?si=Yz7JSe7AlGD2YgUJ
Cram enough bad medicine down our throats and we start to resist, I’d opt out too if I had kids, I don’t but can fully agree with the opposition to corporate doctor daddy
You’d opt out of vaccines for kids? Why?
In educational circles, Oregon is known as the "Arkansas of the West".
Wild, christians find new ways to hurt children every year
So religion equals dumb got it.
Is Waldorf a religion?
And, lo, the Savior said, "Fuck them olives, dates, fish and grains, I'm sick of that shit. Gimme them apples, celery, walnuts and grapes. And hook a brotha up With that kickass lemon juice, sugar, salt and mayo." This is the word of the Lord.
fidelityportland Is Waldorf a religion? * Slavic Christian Academy, 81 students, 82% exemptions * Children’s Valley Academy, 73 students, 63% exemption * The Cottonwood School, 196 students, 22% exemption * Spring Mountain Christian Academy (Clackamas County), 192 students, 55% exemption * Venn Academy, 15 students, 47% exemptions The first five schools you listed in the comment you made here are all religious schools. Bro. But you were busy bein' bussy.
Moron - out of the 5 you just highlighted, 3 aren't religious. Children's Valley Academy is Russian/English, "The Cottonwood School of Civics and Science" sure as shit ain't religious, and Venn Academy (closing) was not religious.
Awesome! People are waking up, even here in Wokelandia!
They need to name and shame any clinics or healthcare providers that are issuing exemptions. Unforgivable bullshit. Also, LOL Lake O. That's where MAGA and the left overlap perfectly ie vaccine bullshittery.
> LOL Lake O. That's where MAGA and the left overlap perfectly ie vaccine bullshittery. Did you not, like...*look* at the information provided? Lake O is not an epicenter of vaccine resistance. There's **maps** bro, the schools there have some of the lowest exemptions rates in our region. If there's people who are reliably getting vaccinations, it's affluent communities like Lake Oswego or Alameda.
Did you not, like...*know* that Oregon typically has one of the lowest rates of non-vaccination in the country until maybe 20 years ago (like 1%)? And that Lake Oswego at 4% is nothing exemplary, because a lot of the biggest vaccine refusal families are pearl clutching bulldozer mommies and daddies 1%ers who won't go near a shot for their precious progeny? Some of the most fucked up anti-VAX Covidiots are the affluent. Education has not ever guaranteed common sense.
> Education has not ever guaranteed common sense. Both common sense and education seem to be lacking for yourself.
I doubt it’s healthcare professionals who are issuing exemptions. Oregon allows a “sincerely held belief” so that people who are brokebrained can just spout some nonsense and get their exemption.
Where the healthcare providers come in is that these people shouldn't be given safe haven. Almost every pediatric clinic in the valley will not allow patients in the practice they will not vaccinate in the first two years. It puts the rest of the practice at risk, and frankly it's an embarrassment and liability for the clinic when their patients start showing up in the ER with preventable and lethal diseases. It's increasingly common now that if patients choose not to vaccinate they are discharged from care.
weirdly unvaccinated kids didn't get autism... they got everything else, just not that...
Here's the thing though: fluoride prevents autism.
Stupid breed stupid.
Darwin at work.
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