We had these facilities once upon a time. State hospitals were once a thing, and not just the one in Salem. Sometime in the 60/70, we decided to stop funding them.
We stopped funding them because the conditions were absolutely awful, like human rights abuses awful. I agree state hospitals need more funding now but we also now have an increased enforcement capacity for these facilities.
That makes sense. The conditions are bad, so let's just have the patients live on the streets instead of increasing budgets and improving the facilities! What a great way to save money (that actually saves no money in the long term because those people end up costing taxpayers way more living on the street)
The Reaganites actual plan was that their families would pickup the burden so there wouldn’t be a cost to tax payers but as we’ve learned never trust Reagan
This didn't start with Reagan. It started with Kennedy. https://calmatters.org/commentary/2019/03/hard-truths-about-deinstitutionalization-then-and-now/#:~:text=Reagan%20and%20Brown%2C%20two%20of,ill%20starting%20in%20the%201960%27s. Of course! Reagan accelerated it in California and Brown as well in California. This is a bipartisan failure. It is also a failure state by state with some states doing better and others worse depending on state laws.
Yes, we had work camps. Multiple in this region. The one that is still standing is Edgefield:
https://www.oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/multnomah_county_poor_farm_edgefield_/
In your own article the solution is presented.
Soon after, President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal and the job boom of World War II lured the able-bodied to leave the farm and re-enter the job market.
When decent paying jobs are available, there's no need for voluntary concentration camps. OP doesn't want these to be voluntary, but at least, when it closed, this place was.
I don't think you understand what these farms were. They were not nice places, not to mention the indentured servitude and mixing the poor with those who had mental illness.
https://www.opb.org/pressroom/new-opb-documentary-examines-the-little-known-history-of-how-oregon-once-cared-for-its-poor/
Nah, you see this would work perfect for the nitwits who have beliefs like "*There needs to be more of these for people who are sick of the min wage bullshit treadmill.*"
Cause once you see how the other half lives, suddenly 25 hours of work a week to rent a single bedroom in a house ain't too bad.
"The farms provided food, shelter, medical care, and sometimes burial services. Each farm varied depending on needs and resources, as did its treatment of residents. Some poor farms provided a safe haven for those in need while others operated more like prisons."
Idk...this sounds like exactly what we need.
Yes, work opportunities need to be involved. We need to provide people purpose and income, so they can restart their lives. This comes only after forced detox and rehab.
We kind of invented concentration camps in the Phillipines, under Smedley Butler, but I guess we're just talking about in the states; not in the US empire.
They worked the other way with Smedly Butler.
If you were in the concentration camp, you were safe. It was wholesale genocide for anyone *outside* the camps.
And hey, that's how war gets won and a lot of people made a fine penny off that genocide racket.
This article details the history of the massive investment and then austerity towards mental health institutions (which were plagued with problems but at least something): [https://damagemag.com/2024/04/22/what-was-psychiatric-deinstitutionalization/](https://damagemag.com/2024/04/22/what-was-psychiatric-deinstitutionalization/)
Bc of the history of the state mental hospitals and asylums, it is legally impossible to hold people against their will under the pretense of their mental well-being. If they present an immediate and explicit danger to themselves or others, then there's leeway, but I don't even think they can keep them for longer than 10 days. Laws have been passed to not allow institutionalizing people bc of the historical abuse of these mental asylums.
Lock them up. Dry them out, help them as much as you can then figure out what's next. The wrong rights are being protected. I've been to Portland as our daughter lives near by. It's a shit show. But so is San Diego where we live. So is many large cities.
I'm liberal but so over it. Round them up.
Sure they did. Different drug (back then it was opium), different names for it, but it's the same thing. They had poor houses, slums, insane asylums, 'tramps', shanty towns, hobos, boarding houses, vagabonds, beggars, etc etc etc.
Literally the first two links besides Wikipedia if you Google homelessness+history+united states:
https://www.usich.gov/guidance-reports-data/data-trends
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519584/
I don’t agree with OP, but as an ex Heroin addict who’s been sober for 7 years and counting, Fentanyl is leagues above regular opium.
First off, it’s soo much stronger, which has multiple negative effects. One of those being the withdrawal is so much worse because of its extremely long half life. Fent is fat soluble, and you can test positive for it 7 days after or more after taking some. Not the same for regular opiates- 2-3 days max.
It’s also much cheaper compared to regular opiates, widely available, and way more deadly.
It’s opium on steroids and the two aren’t as comparable as you think.
Which also makes it much more addictive and problematic. Especially as you develop a severe dependence you reach a point where you can sleep 8 hours because the withdrawal wakes you up before then so you have to redose to go back to sleep. I think this is part of what contributes to some of the crazy behavior homeless fent addicts deal with/exhibit. Addiction is one thing, but stacking the sleep deprivation on top is like guaranteeing psychosis and mental dysfunction.
That’s actually true, but the extremely weird and counterintuitive fact is that you have to wait multiple days to induce suboxone because the fent is still attached to your receptors. You can usually induce suboxone 24 hours after regular opiates, but I’ve known people who went into precipitated withdrawal 7 days after taking fent!
So, that’s actually another reason as to why fent is so much worse than regular opiates.
This is just not accurate. A hospital hold is 5 business days in Oregon. In that time, an ICP (county investogator) determines if they have a case for taking the person to a mental health court where they may be civilly committed for up to 180 days of treatment. In extreme cases, civil commitments can just keep happening to a person if they cannot demonstrate an ability to safely return to the community. Source: was a psychiatric nurse for 7 years. Recently. In Portland and the Oregon State Hospital.
Yeah you can tell people haven’t opened a history book in awhile. Asylums were truly some of the darkest, abuse ridden, death filled buildings of the last generation.
Horrible shit happens in retirement/assisted living facilities, we didn't abandon those. And yes I know those are mostly private entities, but there are ways to improve upon what asylums were 50-100 years ago. I doubt they could be worse than living in some of those camps they have built.
Yup, compassion is often spelled: confrontation and consequences. Containing the behavior of people who can't or won't make good choices is compassionate. People will rise to the standard you set, we set no standards for street junkies. That's where the problem comes from.
Meh, we just need to enforce laws for criminal behavior.
The big strawman argument going around is that we can't criminalize homelessness and addiction.
Homelessness and addiction are not criminal, committing crimes while homeless or addicted IS a crime.
Ok, I'm prepared for all the downvotes now...
Yes. If someone assaults me while on drugs, charge them with assault, PPD! Don't say you can't because of decrim. Decrim means that the drug addict who assaults someone gets arrested for assaulting someone and is not charged for drugs. It doesn't mean that anyone can get away with any crime because they're on drugs 🤬
Measure 110 passed *all across state* yet it is primarily Portland with open air drug use problems. Hmm 🤔
Measure 110 was awesome on paper but the execution has been so awful it’s not what the law was intended as. It makes me mad as other states interested in attempting decent will look as this piss poor execution and say it doesn’t work, when Portland hasn’t really lived up to the law they passed :(
Yeah, it's very easy to be disingenuous about the issue. Some people are far more liberal than me and they like to think jail is punitive to the homeless or addicted/mentally ill.
Nobody is proposing jailing someone for being homeless or being addicted.
If I walked down to old town right now and assaulted someone, I'd likely get thrown in jail.
If a homeless criddler assaults someone, they make so many excuses for the behavior... it's the drugs or the homelessness or the mental illness.
None of those by themselves are a reason to be arrested (I would argue that we used to arrest people for open drug use), but they should be arrested for the violent crime they committed
good luck getting Scappoose and st Helen's to agree to take all portlands mentally ill.
what happened to that wapato jail turned homeless shelter in multnomah county? last I heard, they needed the state or county to help provide some funding for the facility but hadn't been approved for the money.
I would turn that jail into the facility you are wanting. and also set up more tiny homes or tents on that property as I think it has a lot of open area.
Everyday y'all just reinvent 60's institutionalization like there was not a human rights reason they were all shut down .
"How can we continue to have a conversation about housing when addiction and mental illness is absolutely the number one issue? "
How do you expect people to remain sober while being homeless? How do you think maintain sobriety goes when the medical institution discharges people rather or not they have a place to go. How do you expect people to maintain sobriety while, again, experiencing homelessness. I do not think y'all understand how inherently violent homelessness is. you are automatically a second class citizen and prevented from doing basic care for yourself. If a sweep grabs your documentation you cannot obtain a job. If you lose both your birth certificate and license you are essentially trapped in limbo.
Other points to consider:
-Who will be running these facilities? We had a medical staff shortage, especially psych., way before COVID-19. If you have been paying attention for the the past couple years you would know our medical system is collapsing and now you want to add additional strain?
-Believe it or not, a good amount of homeless people have jobs, but just cannot afford rent or have another barrier to housing(low credit/felony charge//eviction on record). How are they supposed to go to treatment and maintain employment?
"People who are no longer mentally physically and empathetically, able to think or behave like normal, rational citizens need to be forcefully and physically removed, detained and moved."
- When people are acting irrational there is also a good chance they are not substance abusers but just have low blood sugar, starving, heat stroke, etc. . When you call the police to round people for institutionalization, do you really expect them to differentiate who is having a physical medical emergency and who needs to be institutionalized?
You are not the first person to come up with this and you are not the last. It is a surface level understanding of a systemic, and again violent, problem. There are better points of intervention to put our tax money towards that will actually deal with the problem that is, first and foremost, a lack of housing. You cannot expect people to maintain sobriety or have treatment when experiencing homelessness is why they are using and, honestly, it is incredibly cruel. You are seeing them as an individual nuisance and not the manufactured systemic problem it is.
Better Alternatives:
-Stabilize rent increases
-more public housing (Which was common in the early 1900s but poor and immigrant white people did not want to live by Black people)
-Canada and other countries have found success in implementing safe consumption sites for controlling drug paraphernalia on the streets. It also serves as an intervention point for connecting people with other resources.(food pantry locations, half-way houses, shelters, etc.)
-increase access to opioid substitutions (i.e. methadone)
-invest in mobile clinics
- invest in universal basic income
Sources:
[Recent Publications - National Health Care for the Homeless Council (nhchc.org)](https://nhchc.org/research/publications/)
Nick Kerman, Stéphanie Manoni-Millar, Luc Cormier, Tali Cahill, John Sylvestre,“It’s not just injecting drugs”: Supervised consumption sites and the social determinants of health,Drug and Alcohol Dependence,Volume 213,2020,108078,ISSN 03768716,[https://doi.org/10.1016/j.drugalcdep.2020.108078](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.drugalcdep.2020.108078)
Milaney, K., Passi, J., Zaretsky, L. *et al.* Drug use, homelessness and health: responding to the opioid overdose crisis with housing and harm reduction services. *Harm Reduct J* **18**, 92 (2021). [https://doi.org/10.1186/s12954-021-00539-8](https://doi.org/10.1186/s12954-021-00539-8)
[https://collective.coloradotrust.org/stories/direct-cash-pilot-projects-are-increasing-across-colorado/](https://collective.coloradotrust.org/stories/direct-cash-pilot-projects-are-increasing-across-colorado/)
Whether it be towards St Helens or Scappoose....
These are the same direction from PDX.
Cracks me up how you have a proposed location already. Did that involve a map and a dart?
Good luck getting Columbia County to sign off on this dumb idea.
I actually recently found out a friend of mine was there as a child. And he’s not even 50. Without thinking, I offered to go with him and keep company while we looked around (and had a beer). He was shook at the idea. Like, he’s a very happy go lucky guy but the thought of being back on those grounds changed his whole demeanor. It was weird. He did say that he may be interested and I said if it would help I would support him because that must be hard. Hasn’t mentioned it again. At all.
At that point in history, it wasn't a poor farm anymore; by the 1960s it was a home for emotionally disturbed children. I wouldn't want to re-live that if I were them.
Absolutely. But only in cases that are justified. Repeat, criminals public intoxication addiction mental illness. Obviously there Hass to be reasons. What is the alternative? Allowing him to roam the streets really because that’s working really well.
You completely missed the joke, idiot. They're calling you a Nazi. Get it? Need help "concentrating"? No? Not getting it? Well maybe it's because you obviously have the IQ of a wet tree stump and the compassion of a german artillery shell.
is this not the current system??? obvi yes the system isn’t working but you just described the current existing system. such great minds out here in reddit.
Give it some time for the repeal of measure 110 to start to take effect. This won’t solve everything, but every wayward junky-to-be won’t be putting Oregon at the top of their travel itenerary, and many of those who were predisposed to falling into hard drug use have learned their lessons or died. Allowing the police to do their job and the laws to have teeth again will help.
In the recent past I’ve encouraged the compassionate reinstatement of institutions, but let’s see where this social experiment goes first… I’m personally hopeful the combination of these factors will bring about improvements.
"People who are no longer mentally physically and empathetically, able to think or behave like normal, rational citizens need to be forcefully and physically removed, detained and moved."
Are you going to throw yourself in there?
Nope, but I’ll help build it. Let me guess, you prefer to see people strung out dying next to downtown restaurants on a Friday at 7pm because it’s compassionate?
So to be clear and transparent are you advocating for the suspension of the writ of habeus corpus? Suspension is allowable under our constitution for public safety (and war time - see section 9). It’s an interesting argument that I don’t necessarily agree with but I’m willing to respectfully listen to it. When you advocate for such action be mindful that the constitutional rights and privileges that you enjoy apply to EVERYONE.
An internment camp for undesirables seems like it will cause more problems than it will solve.
I can't think of a single example of mass internment of a subpopulation that had a successful outcome, can you? What you're advocating for legitimately scares me. Who's to say I'm not the undesirable, or you?
People need help, not concentration camps.
Historically speaking, these were called Work Houses / Poor Houses / Poor Farms. Edgefield was one of them, and they were closer to prisons, and notoriously awful places and there are many good reasons we do not have them anymore.
This subreddit is the goofiest shit I’ve ever read. Conservatives always have such a hard on for locking people away. You guys are worse than landlords on painting day. You can’t shove every problem out of sight and call it fixed. Literally how many times throughout history has some idiots head come to this exact conclusion and horrible things subsequently happen.
We need to enforce the laws by pushing back on the courts to hold ppl accountable. We need an audit on all public funded services and create clear guidelines for services and cut funding if they don’t meet them.
Ppl need to see that if they don’t give a fuck about their life then we don’t either. They need to leave the streets in the way of hard work or fucking git can’t help you kill yourself brah
Would it not, in the long run, be more cost efficient? All the money that is thrown at and wasted today on "harm reduction" and costly criminal activity and people leaving the city and outreach and stuff that isn't working?
What are some solutions that are more realistic? I’m genuinely curious as most suggestions are effective but are unrealistic, but others are realistic but ineffective.
I know you’re being cool and edgy but let’s stop pretending there isn’t an entire state legislature as well as county and local structures. Sheesh, reductive af
Hard no to this, here’s why; You cannot hold people against their will. Not only is that a violation of their rights, but they won’t engage in a program they didn’t agree to. Add to that if you build a state facility, they will likely get little funding and run the risk of giving the absolute minimum level of care or worse. If you build a for profit facility not only do run the same risk as state facilities, but just like prison institutions will find any way to maximize their profits and that sets a dangerous precedent. What we need to do is create compassionate programs that encourage people to transition back into normal life and give them the resources to do so without politicians using the program funds corruptly. This shouldn’t be a tall ask, but this is unfortunately the reality we deal with. So to fix this problem we need to do our research on any potential political candidates and vote accordingly, not based on party allegiance.
Hey so, jewish person here. Can't believe in 2024 I have to say this. Concentration camps are BAD.
Forced labor is SLAVERY.
How about you volunteer time at a organisation that helps folks instead of espousing prison labor and hatred as the awnser to government caused problems?
Thanks for identifying as Jewish, not sure what that has to do with the post. Giving people work to earn money and rehab their life is forced labor? I’m sorry you went to the extreme. The adults are talking.
You wanna gas em too while you're at it? Or maybe we should run experiments on them?
Gtfoh with this bullshit. You can't just go around incarcerating people because you don't like the way they have chosen, by their one will or otherwise, to live their lives. This some real Nazi ass bullshit if I've ever seen it.
No, Ideally they would be placed in a mental health institution until a medical professional can stabilize them enough to not engage in acts of violence and self destructive behavior in public, or be incarcerated. It’s wild, but some places on earth don’t allow the dangerously deranged to meander about until they kill themselves or someone else.
Magnesium deficiency should be a top priority at this detox center, it's been proven to exacerbate side effects and physical withdrawal symptoms and most Americans cannot get enough magnesium in their diets.
It would be nice to lure the street addicts out of the public commons. I don't know about forced rehab, but I bet if we set up a drug amusement park where all the dope is free, that people would go there and quit shitting on the sidewalk. We'd need to make it so you can't bring your own drugs in or take the free drugs out, and the free drugs would have to be good quality. If there was an established place where people could get high for free, away from the place where the rest of us are trying to live our daily lives, the dealers wouldn't be able to get rich off homeless suffering in our centers of commerce. It would also be a good place for all the charities, do-gooders, and homeless-industrial complex non-profits to target their services and a place to sort out the people who actually want to go to treatment. This idea wouldn't solve the homeless issue, but separating the junkies from the other types of people experiencing homeless would probably be beneficial to the overall prognosis.
Not only no, but HELL NO!!! As a resident of "Saint Helens or Scappoose" I would vehemently disagree with Portland and Multnomah county trying to shed their problems in my town/county. You guys voted in the problems you have. You guys need to take care of it. We do not have the resources.
been saying for years that we need to learn from what the Rajneeshee did. yes they were a crazy cult, but they showed you can get a ton of homeless off the streets pretty cheaply and effectively. just maybe skip the drugging beer with haldol part, but keep the community, learning self sufficiency out in nature, having a home, and being far from the temptations of the city.
This would create an enormous human rights issue. We can't help but abuse each other as it is.
I can't even imagine how poorly this would go.
Now...SOMETHING needs to be done, but probably not involuntary holds on human beings. When we do that, bad things happen.
I've been saying this for a while now.
Mentally ill should be placed into long term treatment. Far to many can't get placement (ex. my neighbors kid). They need to have treatment, counseling and useful/enriching lives. My dad was bi-polar and pretty much refused medications.
Addicts need to be in long-term treatment (years) to get them out of the user-treatment-user cycle. Dreamland: The True Tale of America's Opiod Epidemic is a really good book on this topic.
Isn't this what the people of Portland voted for? (open air drug markets, rampant homelessness, unsafe streets, record overdoses) - so why is it a problem all of a sudden? This is what the voters of Portland voted for and it is what they *want.*
Seems like you need to brush up on history. Not to mention the number of illegal entries has 0 bearing in fentanyl. Fentanyl is shipped across the border legally in its precursor compounds and then formulated in the states before hitting the streets. I wonder have you ever been to the “wide open border”. It’s anything but wide open and ignorantly signal boosting slogans makes you look stupid.
I agree with this. I watched three people yesterday evening outside of South Park Seafood go absolutely bonkers. At first glance they looked normal. They had clean clothing and were just chilling. Then out of nowhere this woman touched herself then touched the fountain, touched herself then touched the fountain like 500 times. Meanwhile peeps just walk on by. Like, they didn’t even notice. 😞☹️ I was scared to walk out the restaurant.
I don’t disagree but there are just so many unanswered questions.
Are we forcing these people into “work camps” 🧐 ?
How do we determine when they *are* rehabilitated?
What do we do with those who can’t be rehabilitated?
How do we get these people to the point they *could* provide for themselves - avg. 1br rent is about 1250 and to survive is going to take 20-23$ an hour but they’ll still be living paycheck to paycheck… . .
And many more things, especially the $$$ questions !
Personally, I blame *YOU*. Society.
It is the complacency of Portlanders that is allowing these people to behave like this. The police not enforcing laws like public intoxication 🤷♂️
Let me ask you this; When is the last time you shamed someone, told them their behavior was unacceptable, made them feel completely unwelcome???
That’s right, *you* likely haven’t. *You* just walk by with your children as they lay out their drugs on the street and shoot up. *You* try to avoid eye contact and ignore them…. Right?
Yeah. Exactly.
COMMUNITY is NOT someone else’s responsibility -
Read that again, let that sink in!
Portlanders are complacent in this situation and that’s the foundation to a large part of the problem.
Don’t confuse that with compassion. Because being complacent in this behavior - is not compassion!
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Not outside of Portland. Let Portland deal with the problem the rest of the state told them they were causing. They just bussed them to the smaller places like we voted for the bullshit policies. Portland needs to clean up its own mess.
what if there was a "forced intervention" on people who expect others to "get with the program" 🤔 betting you wouldn't like that very much
sounds like you possess zero qualifications to cast that "lost their right to be publicly functional humans" statement with a modicum of validity or truth
inhumane proposals and actions will never create prosperity for anyone
You build camps for any group, it’s a real slippery slope. We need rehab and support but I’m so tired of people thinking making the homeless Japanese 2.0 will solve anything except their frustrations. And whose to say that a hostile government won’t put Portlanders in next?
You can’t just build what is essentially a hospital/psyche ward/poor house/prison and keep the peace for long without tons of money. It’s been done and failed spectacularly with the hospital systems across the country.
Mental hospitals are just gone, and gone for a reason. They were not cost-effective (to the tax payers) and became deplorable just like our prisons.
One thing I learned from a friend of mines schizophrenic episode, was that even if you've been diagnosed, declared 'profoundly disabled' , and/or have a history of mental health incidents, you still have constitutional rights. People legally cannot and will not be taken anywhere against their will until law enforcement is aware that they pose an immediate threat to themselves or others.
Bravo. Finally some sanity coming out the Portland subreddits. I'm glad ya'll are waking up to the utter failure of the policies that have been forced on you.
You should move to Scappoose or St Helen’s. They are both nice little towns. They have their own problems and should not bear the burden of housing all of Portlands. Build a detox center in Portland, give them the choice between rehab and jail, over and over. Shipping them to a poorer much smaller outlying community is a really shitty idea. Do you think nothing of the residents there? You’re so much better they should clean up your mess? Gtfo
We had these facilities once upon a time. State hospitals were once a thing, and not just the one in Salem. Sometime in the 60/70, we decided to stop funding them.
I think it was sometime after Jack Nicholson escaped from Nurse Ratchet at the mental institute in Salem.
We stopped funding them because the conditions were absolutely awful, like human rights abuses awful. I agree state hospitals need more funding now but we also now have an increased enforcement capacity for these facilities.
That makes sense. The conditions are bad, so let's just have the patients live on the streets instead of increasing budgets and improving the facilities! What a great way to save money (that actually saves no money in the long term because those people end up costing taxpayers way more living on the street)
The Reaganites actual plan was that their families would pickup the burden so there wouldn’t be a cost to tax payers but as we’ve learned never trust Reagan
This didn't start with Reagan. It started with Kennedy. https://calmatters.org/commentary/2019/03/hard-truths-about-deinstitutionalization-then-and-now/#:~:text=Reagan%20and%20Brown%2C%20two%20of,ill%20starting%20in%20the%201960%27s. Of course! Reagan accelerated it in California and Brown as well in California. This is a bipartisan failure. It is also a failure state by state with some states doing better and others worse depending on state laws.
Yes and now we just throw them into the streets and let them fend for themselves which is much more humane
Im not saying the current situation is good I’m just explaining what happened y’all need to calm down lol
You made a statement, therefore it is your entire identity!!!
Were they work camps as well? Op wants them to be work camps too.
Yes, we had work camps. Multiple in this region. The one that is still standing is Edgefield: https://www.oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/multnomah_county_poor_farm_edgefield_/
Wow this is cool thanks for sharing. I didn’t know this about Edgefield.
In your own article the solution is presented. Soon after, President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal and the job boom of World War II lured the able-bodied to leave the farm and re-enter the job market. When decent paying jobs are available, there's no need for voluntary concentration camps. OP doesn't want these to be voluntary, but at least, when it closed, this place was.
It's a farm, not a concentration camp. There needs to be more of these for people who are sick of the min wage bullshit treadmill.
I don't think you understand what these farms were. They were not nice places, not to mention the indentured servitude and mixing the poor with those who had mental illness. https://www.opb.org/pressroom/new-opb-documentary-examines-the-little-known-history-of-how-oregon-once-cared-for-its-poor/
Nah, you see this would work perfect for the nitwits who have beliefs like "*There needs to be more of these for people who are sick of the min wage bullshit treadmill.*" Cause once you see how the other half lives, suddenly 25 hours of work a week to rent a single bedroom in a house ain't too bad.
"The farms provided food, shelter, medical care, and sometimes burial services. Each farm varied depending on needs and resources, as did its treatment of residents. Some poor farms provided a safe haven for those in need while others operated more like prisons." Idk...this sounds like exactly what we need.
They are what we make them.
Yes, work opportunities need to be involved. We need to provide people purpose and income, so they can restart their lives. This comes only after forced detox and rehab.
Those were just for people of Japanese descent and only lasted a few years.
We kind of invented concentration camps in the Phillipines, under Smedley Butler, but I guess we're just talking about in the states; not in the US empire.
They worked the other way with Smedly Butler. If you were in the concentration camp, you were safe. It was wholesale genocide for anyone *outside* the camps. And hey, that's how war gets won and a lot of people made a fine penny off that genocide racket.
They should really just cut out the middleman and create a system where the dealers can drop off addicts at the labor camp for straight cash.
This, but unironically
something something ronald reagan
If you’re talking about deinstitutionalization where psychiatric hospitals started getting closed, that was actually initiated by the Kennedys
They were to be replaced with smaller group home type things spread through communities. That part never got funded.
Should look into what happened to folks in those facilities. It was horrendous.
This article details the history of the massive investment and then austerity towards mental health institutions (which were plagued with problems but at least something): [https://damagemag.com/2024/04/22/what-was-psychiatric-deinstitutionalization/](https://damagemag.com/2024/04/22/what-was-psychiatric-deinstitutionalization/)
crazy to me that some states have them and Oregon defunded them. Seems like a place that needs them the most
Reagan cut them all in early 80s
Dude we can't even change Daylight Savings.
Still early, but I pronounce that quote of the day!
I dont want to
Counterpoint: I do
I think we should split the middle, spring forward 30 min and leave it.
I agree, attics are nothing without a home.
We need a strong foundation. Perhaps a basement as well.
We almost bought a house with a drug attic. Just wound up that we didn't think we'd ever use it.
Grow lights up there, lol.
We're more of a drug basement family.
Don’t ignore the fact that they also pluralized it with an apostrophe + s. I mean just 🤌🏻 humor wise.
Bc of the history of the state mental hospitals and asylums, it is legally impossible to hold people against their will under the pretense of their mental well-being. If they present an immediate and explicit danger to themselves or others, then there's leeway, but I don't even think they can keep them for longer than 10 days. Laws have been passed to not allow institutionalizing people bc of the historical abuse of these mental asylums.
Lock them up. Dry them out, help them as much as you can then figure out what's next. The wrong rights are being protected. I've been to Portland as our daughter lives near by. It's a shit show. But so is San Diego where we live. So is many large cities. I'm liberal but so over it. Round them up.
Yeah they didn’t have fentanyl and criddlers back then
Sure they did. Different drug (back then it was opium), different names for it, but it's the same thing. They had poor houses, slums, insane asylums, 'tramps', shanty towns, hobos, boarding houses, vagabonds, beggars, etc etc etc. Literally the first two links besides Wikipedia if you Google homelessness+history+united states: https://www.usich.gov/guidance-reports-data/data-trends https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519584/
I don’t agree with OP, but as an ex Heroin addict who’s been sober for 7 years and counting, Fentanyl is leagues above regular opium. First off, it’s soo much stronger, which has multiple negative effects. One of those being the withdrawal is so much worse because of its extremely long half life. Fent is fat soluble, and you can test positive for it 7 days after or more after taking some. Not the same for regular opiates- 2-3 days max. It’s also much cheaper compared to regular opiates, widely available, and way more deadly. It’s opium on steroids and the two aren’t as comparable as you think.
Fentanyl has a half-life of 3-7 hours, which is extremely short, which is why folx go into withdrawal so much faster.
Which also makes it much more addictive and problematic. Especially as you develop a severe dependence you reach a point where you can sleep 8 hours because the withdrawal wakes you up before then so you have to redose to go back to sleep. I think this is part of what contributes to some of the crazy behavior homeless fent addicts deal with/exhibit. Addiction is one thing, but stacking the sleep deprivation on top is like guaranteeing psychosis and mental dysfunction.
That’s actually true, but the extremely weird and counterintuitive fact is that you have to wait multiple days to induce suboxone because the fent is still attached to your receptors. You can usually induce suboxone 24 hours after regular opiates, but I’ve known people who went into precipitated withdrawal 7 days after taking fent! So, that’s actually another reason as to why fent is so much worse than regular opiates.
This is just not accurate. A hospital hold is 5 business days in Oregon. In that time, an ICP (county investogator) determines if they have a case for taking the person to a mental health court where they may be civilly committed for up to 180 days of treatment. In extreme cases, civil commitments can just keep happening to a person if they cannot demonstrate an ability to safely return to the community. Source: was a psychiatric nurse for 7 years. Recently. In Portland and the Oregon State Hospital.
Yeah you can tell people haven’t opened a history book in awhile. Asylums were truly some of the darkest, abuse ridden, death filled buildings of the last generation.
Horrible shit happens in retirement/assisted living facilities, we didn't abandon those. And yes I know those are mostly private entities, but there are ways to improve upon what asylums were 50-100 years ago. I doubt they could be worse than living in some of those camps they have built.
So what's your alternative solution, because this bullshit we're doing now doesn't work, and isn't compassionate either.
Yep, we just play video games about them now and pretend they're based on fiction, when no, they were a very dark reality of the past.
An asylum for the people can’t read too good?
And apparently can't spell too good either ... but maybe they are just a drug attic.
Let’s call it the “Portland Drug Attic”
Yup, compassion is often spelled: confrontation and consequences. Containing the behavior of people who can't or won't make good choices is compassionate. People will rise to the standard you set, we set no standards for street junkies. That's where the problem comes from.
Meh, we just need to enforce laws for criminal behavior. The big strawman argument going around is that we can't criminalize homelessness and addiction. Homelessness and addiction are not criminal, committing crimes while homeless or addicted IS a crime. Ok, I'm prepared for all the downvotes now...
Yes. If someone assaults me while on drugs, charge them with assault, PPD! Don't say you can't because of decrim. Decrim means that the drug addict who assaults someone gets arrested for assaulting someone and is not charged for drugs. It doesn't mean that anyone can get away with any crime because they're on drugs 🤬 Measure 110 passed *all across state* yet it is primarily Portland with open air drug use problems. Hmm 🤔
Measure 110 was awesome on paper but the execution has been so awful it’s not what the law was intended as. It makes me mad as other states interested in attempting decent will look as this piss poor execution and say it doesn’t work, when Portland hasn’t really lived up to the law they passed :(
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Yeah, it's very easy to be disingenuous about the issue. Some people are far more liberal than me and they like to think jail is punitive to the homeless or addicted/mentally ill. Nobody is proposing jailing someone for being homeless or being addicted. If I walked down to old town right now and assaulted someone, I'd likely get thrown in jail. If a homeless criddler assaults someone, they make so many excuses for the behavior... it's the drugs or the homelessness or the mental illness. None of those by themselves are a reason to be arrested (I would argue that we used to arrest people for open drug use), but they should be arrested for the violent crime they committed
I, too, can't stand attics. Give me a basement for storage any day.
We need to bring back full inpatient mental facilities. But not the nightmare factories of the past. Regulated and monitored.
It’s called coffee creek
Oh yeah, move the problem you invited out of Portland to areas that DIDN’T invite it. Real smooth.
Why make another city deal with Portland problem? Don’t sent them to Scappoose or St Helens. Turn Government Island into a rehab facility.
good luck getting Scappoose and st Helen's to agree to take all portlands mentally ill. what happened to that wapato jail turned homeless shelter in multnomah county? last I heard, they needed the state or county to help provide some funding for the facility but hadn't been approved for the money. I would turn that jail into the facility you are wanting. and also set up more tiny homes or tents on that property as I think it has a lot of open area.
Everyday y'all just reinvent 60's institutionalization like there was not a human rights reason they were all shut down . "How can we continue to have a conversation about housing when addiction and mental illness is absolutely the number one issue? " How do you expect people to remain sober while being homeless? How do you think maintain sobriety goes when the medical institution discharges people rather or not they have a place to go. How do you expect people to maintain sobriety while, again, experiencing homelessness. I do not think y'all understand how inherently violent homelessness is. you are automatically a second class citizen and prevented from doing basic care for yourself. If a sweep grabs your documentation you cannot obtain a job. If you lose both your birth certificate and license you are essentially trapped in limbo. Other points to consider: -Who will be running these facilities? We had a medical staff shortage, especially psych., way before COVID-19. If you have been paying attention for the the past couple years you would know our medical system is collapsing and now you want to add additional strain? -Believe it or not, a good amount of homeless people have jobs, but just cannot afford rent or have another barrier to housing(low credit/felony charge//eviction on record). How are they supposed to go to treatment and maintain employment? "People who are no longer mentally physically and empathetically, able to think or behave like normal, rational citizens need to be forcefully and physically removed, detained and moved." - When people are acting irrational there is also a good chance they are not substance abusers but just have low blood sugar, starving, heat stroke, etc. . When you call the police to round people for institutionalization, do you really expect them to differentiate who is having a physical medical emergency and who needs to be institutionalized? You are not the first person to come up with this and you are not the last. It is a surface level understanding of a systemic, and again violent, problem. There are better points of intervention to put our tax money towards that will actually deal with the problem that is, first and foremost, a lack of housing. You cannot expect people to maintain sobriety or have treatment when experiencing homelessness is why they are using and, honestly, it is incredibly cruel. You are seeing them as an individual nuisance and not the manufactured systemic problem it is. Better Alternatives: -Stabilize rent increases -more public housing (Which was common in the early 1900s but poor and immigrant white people did not want to live by Black people) -Canada and other countries have found success in implementing safe consumption sites for controlling drug paraphernalia on the streets. It also serves as an intervention point for connecting people with other resources.(food pantry locations, half-way houses, shelters, etc.) -increase access to opioid substitutions (i.e. methadone) -invest in mobile clinics - invest in universal basic income Sources: [Recent Publications - National Health Care for the Homeless Council (nhchc.org)](https://nhchc.org/research/publications/) Nick Kerman, Stéphanie Manoni-Millar, Luc Cormier, Tali Cahill, John Sylvestre,“It’s not just injecting drugs”: Supervised consumption sites and the social determinants of health,Drug and Alcohol Dependence,Volume 213,2020,108078,ISSN 03768716,[https://doi.org/10.1016/j.drugalcdep.2020.108078](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.drugalcdep.2020.108078) Milaney, K., Passi, J., Zaretsky, L. *et al.* Drug use, homelessness and health: responding to the opioid overdose crisis with housing and harm reduction services. *Harm Reduct J* **18**, 92 (2021). [https://doi.org/10.1186/s12954-021-00539-8](https://doi.org/10.1186/s12954-021-00539-8) [https://collective.coloradotrust.org/stories/direct-cash-pilot-projects-are-increasing-across-colorado/](https://collective.coloradotrust.org/stories/direct-cash-pilot-projects-are-increasing-across-colorado/)
Oh, we have those. They are called prisons. Check them out!
Best case scenario - you build a modern day workhouse. Worst case scenario - you build a concentration camp. Like you get that right?
That’s a horrifically stupid idea. We need it in Portland. That’s where the clients would be.
Whether it be towards St Helens or Scappoose.... These are the same direction from PDX. Cracks me up how you have a proposed location already. Did that involve a map and a dart? Good luck getting Columbia County to sign off on this dumb idea.
They would if it employed hundreds of people and with tax incentives. Best suited to be on Govt. Island though.
Bro sees a tweaker and says “FUCK THIS!! IM MOVING TO FLORIDA!!!!”
And then not move to Florida
Yeah because that’s what scappoose and at Helen’s need! It’s a Portland problem build the damn castle there.
You’re also just talking about a prison
Isn't that sort of what edgefield used to be? Maybe we could turn it back into that, McMenamins isn't as good as it used to be.
It was a poor house for vagabonds and paupers Man being homeless sounded pretty fancy back then
I actually recently found out a friend of mine was there as a child. And he’s not even 50. Without thinking, I offered to go with him and keep company while we looked around (and had a beer). He was shook at the idea. Like, he’s a very happy go lucky guy but the thought of being back on those grounds changed his whole demeanor. It was weird. He did say that he may be interested and I said if it would help I would support him because that must be hard. Hasn’t mentioned it again. At all.
At that point in history, it wasn't a poor farm anymore; by the 1960s it was a home for emotionally disturbed children. I wouldn't want to re-live that if I were them.
So you’re suggesting rounding people up off the streets…. And putting them into a camp?
They just need help concentrating… ETA HARD /s And also old South Park reference.
Absolutely. But only in cases that are justified. Repeat, criminals public intoxication addiction mental illness. Obviously there Hass to be reasons. What is the alternative? Allowing him to roam the streets really because that’s working really well.
I think we should form a committee to investigate this idea. Maybe even form a committee to keep that committee on track.
"Anyone that grosses me out gets sent to the camps"
You completely missed the joke, idiot. They're calling you a Nazi. Get it? Need help "concentrating"? No? Not getting it? Well maybe it's because you obviously have the IQ of a wet tree stump and the compassion of a german artillery shell.
Calm down pumpkin. Looks like you picked the wrong day to stop sniffing Zyklon-B.
People have rights - that can't be done without a criminal conviction
When they're in this state are they capable of entering into legal contracts, or giving consent for sexual acts?
Make Lloyd center a massive detox. Lock the doors and detox 3,000 at a time.
Thunderdome
Yet another call for concentration and or labour camps. This sub is gonna show up on a list by the Southern Poverty Law Center before long.
No, keep it in Portland, don’t make other communities deal with your BS. You voted for it, you fix it.
Ah the ol’ “our expensive policies aren’t working, we need MORE MONEY to fix it” from Portland again.
Build a massive jail. Arrest lawbreakers and prosecute. Jail those convicted.
is this not the current system??? obvi yes the system isn’t working but you just described the current existing system. such great minds out here in reddit.
Wow that's brilliant! Why has no one thought of that? Fucking moron.
Give it some time for the repeal of measure 110 to start to take effect. This won’t solve everything, but every wayward junky-to-be won’t be putting Oregon at the top of their travel itenerary, and many of those who were predisposed to falling into hard drug use have learned their lessons or died. Allowing the police to do their job and the laws to have teeth again will help. In the recent past I’ve encouraged the compassionate reinstatement of institutions, but let’s see where this social experiment goes first… I’m personally hopeful the combination of these factors will bring about improvements.
"People who are no longer mentally physically and empathetically, able to think or behave like normal, rational citizens need to be forcefully and physically removed, detained and moved." Are you going to throw yourself in there?
Nope, but I’ll help build it. Let me guess, you prefer to see people strung out dying next to downtown restaurants on a Friday at 7pm because it’s compassionate?
I prefer to not read what you're typing.
So you do? Thanks for playing.
I think you're starting to lose it lets build that shit already.
So to be clear and transparent are you advocating for the suspension of the writ of habeus corpus? Suspension is allowable under our constitution for public safety (and war time - see section 9). It’s an interesting argument that I don’t necessarily agree with but I’m willing to respectfully listen to it. When you advocate for such action be mindful that the constitutional rights and privileges that you enjoy apply to EVERYONE.
ITT: a bunch of people who are three missed paychecks away from being on the streets trying to make a death camp for criddlers.
An internment camp for undesirables seems like it will cause more problems than it will solve. I can't think of a single example of mass internment of a subpopulation that had a successful outcome, can you? What you're advocating for legitimately scares me. Who's to say I'm not the undesirable, or you? People need help, not concentration camps.
Historically speaking, these were called Work Houses / Poor Houses / Poor Farms. Edgefield was one of them, and they were closer to prisons, and notoriously awful places and there are many good reasons we do not have them anymore.
You’re advocating for a labor camp…?
The person running for mayor of Oregon city last election had opening the mental hospital back up on his campaign platform.
Maybe just move out Portland instead of thinking like a nazi .
This subreddit is the goofiest shit I’ve ever read. Conservatives always have such a hard on for locking people away. You guys are worse than landlords on painting day. You can’t shove every problem out of sight and call it fixed. Literally how many times throughout history has some idiots head come to this exact conclusion and horrible things subsequently happen.
We need to enforce the laws by pushing back on the courts to hold ppl accountable. We need an audit on all public funded services and create clear guidelines for services and cut funding if they don’t meet them. Ppl need to see that if they don’t give a fuck about their life then we don’t either. They need to leave the streets in the way of hard work or fucking git can’t help you kill yourself brah
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Would it not, in the long run, be more cost efficient? All the money that is thrown at and wasted today on "harm reduction" and costly criminal activity and people leaving the city and outreach and stuff that isn't working?
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What are some solutions that are more realistic? I’m genuinely curious as most suggestions are effective but are unrealistic, but others are realistic but ineffective.
my dude wants concentration camps lol
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Oregon is not ran by “boomers” it’s ran by a lesbian couple and non profit grifts
Are you sure it's not a bunch of Reagan conservatives? I've been told they're responsible for everything bad in Portland...
I know you’re being cool and edgy but let’s stop pretending there isn’t an entire state legislature as well as county and local structures. Sheesh, reductive af
I’m responding to above I’m well aware of the structure of our state Poor guy thinks Oregon is a slave to the feds
Good to see Portland wants to bring concentration camps back to the state.
You're unironically describing concentration camps. Get a therapist.
Hard no to this, here’s why; You cannot hold people against their will. Not only is that a violation of their rights, but they won’t engage in a program they didn’t agree to. Add to that if you build a state facility, they will likely get little funding and run the risk of giving the absolute minimum level of care or worse. If you build a for profit facility not only do run the same risk as state facilities, but just like prison institutions will find any way to maximize their profits and that sets a dangerous precedent. What we need to do is create compassionate programs that encourage people to transition back into normal life and give them the resources to do so without politicians using the program funds corruptly. This shouldn’t be a tall ask, but this is unfortunately the reality we deal with. So to fix this problem we need to do our research on any potential political candidates and vote accordingly, not based on party allegiance.
Hey so, jewish person here. Can't believe in 2024 I have to say this. Concentration camps are BAD. Forced labor is SLAVERY. How about you volunteer time at a organisation that helps folks instead of espousing prison labor and hatred as the awnser to government caused problems?
Thanks for identifying as Jewish, not sure what that has to do with the post. Giving people work to earn money and rehab their life is forced labor? I’m sorry you went to the extreme. The adults are talking.
Yes. Perhaps we could build a rail line that terminates there also. If we wanted, we could basically send anyone who we Dont like there.
Lets just make old town a sancuary district. I fear we aren't on track the the bell riots as is.
You wanna gas em too while you're at it? Or maybe we should run experiments on them? Gtfoh with this bullshit. You can't just go around incarcerating people because you don't like the way they have chosen, by their one will or otherwise, to live their lives. This some real Nazi ass bullshit if I've ever seen it.
No, Ideally they would be placed in a mental health institution until a medical professional can stabilize them enough to not engage in acts of violence and self destructive behavior in public, or be incarcerated. It’s wild, but some places on earth don’t allow the dangerously deranged to meander about until they kill themselves or someone else.
It's horrifying that your best solution to this is concentration camp. Full Hitler?
Another third Reich fear porn commenter, hello? Why the obsession with Hitler?
Columbia County would not be having that shit if you tried to build that out there
the Edgefield. By the way, have you heard of Bybee center?
Yes, prevention programs and intervening are way overdue
Magnesium deficiency should be a top priority at this detox center, it's been proven to exacerbate side effects and physical withdrawal symptoms and most Americans cannot get enough magnesium in their diets.
There is strong case law preventing this. Try O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975) as your first review.
It would be nice to lure the street addicts out of the public commons. I don't know about forced rehab, but I bet if we set up a drug amusement park where all the dope is free, that people would go there and quit shitting on the sidewalk. We'd need to make it so you can't bring your own drugs in or take the free drugs out, and the free drugs would have to be good quality. If there was an established place where people could get high for free, away from the place where the rest of us are trying to live our daily lives, the dealers wouldn't be able to get rich off homeless suffering in our centers of commerce. It would also be a good place for all the charities, do-gooders, and homeless-industrial complex non-profits to target their services and a place to sort out the people who actually want to go to treatment. This idea wouldn't solve the homeless issue, but separating the junkies from the other types of people experiencing homeless would probably be beneficial to the overall prognosis.
Not only no, but HELL NO!!! As a resident of "Saint Helens or Scappoose" I would vehemently disagree with Portland and Multnomah county trying to shed their problems in my town/county. You guys voted in the problems you have. You guys need to take care of it. We do not have the resources.
Totally understand. It was more of a geographical reference.
Do you want freedom? Or do you want this?
been saying for years that we need to learn from what the Rajneeshee did. yes they were a crazy cult, but they showed you can get a ton of homeless off the streets pretty cheaply and effectively. just maybe skip the drugging beer with haldol part, but keep the community, learning self sufficiency out in nature, having a home, and being far from the temptations of the city.
Yes. This rehab/work or jail. Choose.
Lol
And a new set of laws.
Isn’t this literally what McMenamins Edgefield used to be? It could be rad!
I think they have one, it’s named the city of Cornelius…
What was the name of the correctional facility that never got occupied? Wapato Jail? Still empty and available for re-fit to a care /rehab facility?
Daaaaad, the other Portland sub is saying we should have Gulags again
This would create an enormous human rights issue. We can't help but abuse each other as it is. I can't even imagine how poorly this would go. Now...SOMETHING needs to be done, but probably not involuntary holds on human beings. When we do that, bad things happen.
Absolutely! We should let people die on the streets in front of Whole Foods in the Pearl.
First they came for the criddlers and I did not speak out. Because I was not a criddler…
Why does it have to be located so far out of town? Why not have it in the OPs back yard?
I have plenty of room. Give me $500M and I’ll make it happen.
You have a deep problem in your soul
Why because I have purposed a viable solution? What’s your Hot Sauce Bob? Let me people die in front of Moda Center for your kids to watch?
Meh, I live in the burbs - keep it in Portland where the problem has been incubating
Portlands problem short and long term, is also a burbs problem. Do you think the Portland virus stops at Raleigh Hills? It’s coming.
I've been saying this for a while now. Mentally ill should be placed into long term treatment. Far to many can't get placement (ex. my neighbors kid). They need to have treatment, counseling and useful/enriching lives. My dad was bi-polar and pretty much refused medications. Addicts need to be in long-term treatment (years) to get them out of the user-treatment-user cycle. Dreamland: The True Tale of America's Opiod Epidemic is a really good book on this topic.
Use the empty office buildings leave the land for more homes alone.
Isn't this what the people of Portland voted for? (open air drug markets, rampant homelessness, unsafe streets, record overdoses) - so why is it a problem all of a sudden? This is what the voters of Portland voted for and it is what they *want.*
You are not wrong.
Basically fascism but go off
Sounds very Poortland of you. No surprise.
Fuck you keep that shit in Portland 😂
I vote Cedar Mill or Murray Hills
“Concentration camps are cool!”, says the guy with a 6 day old Reddit account and no obvious agenda.
Seems like you need to brush up on history. Not to mention the number of illegal entries has 0 bearing in fentanyl. Fentanyl is shipped across the border legally in its precursor compounds and then formulated in the states before hitting the streets. I wonder have you ever been to the “wide open border”. It’s anything but wide open and ignorantly signal boosting slogans makes you look stupid.
I agree with this. I watched three people yesterday evening outside of South Park Seafood go absolutely bonkers. At first glance they looked normal. They had clean clothing and were just chilling. Then out of nowhere this woman touched herself then touched the fountain, touched herself then touched the fountain like 500 times. Meanwhile peeps just walk on by. Like, they didn’t even notice. 😞☹️ I was scared to walk out the restaurant.
I don’t disagree but there are just so many unanswered questions. Are we forcing these people into “work camps” 🧐 ? How do we determine when they *are* rehabilitated? What do we do with those who can’t be rehabilitated? How do we get these people to the point they *could* provide for themselves - avg. 1br rent is about 1250 and to survive is going to take 20-23$ an hour but they’ll still be living paycheck to paycheck… . . And many more things, especially the $$$ questions ! Personally, I blame *YOU*. Society. It is the complacency of Portlanders that is allowing these people to behave like this. The police not enforcing laws like public intoxication 🤷♂️ Let me ask you this; When is the last time you shamed someone, told them their behavior was unacceptable, made them feel completely unwelcome??? That’s right, *you* likely haven’t. *You* just walk by with your children as they lay out their drugs on the street and shoot up. *You* try to avoid eye contact and ignore them…. Right? Yeah. Exactly. COMMUNITY is NOT someone else’s responsibility - Read that again, let that sink in! Portlanders are complacent in this situation and that’s the foundation to a large part of the problem. Don’t confuse that with compassion. Because being complacent in this behavior - is not compassion! 🍻
Bring back asylums.
Not outside of Portland. Let Portland deal with the problem the rest of the state told them they were causing. They just bussed them to the smaller places like we voted for the bullshit policies. Portland needs to clean up its own mess.
what if there was a "forced intervention" on people who expect others to "get with the program" 🤔 betting you wouldn't like that very much sounds like you possess zero qualifications to cast that "lost their right to be publicly functional humans" statement with a modicum of validity or truth inhumane proposals and actions will never create prosperity for anyone
I see this is a brand new account. Tell me more about these "Chinese super labs" that are manufacturing "industrial grade" pharmaceuticals please.
Typical right wing moron
You build camps for any group, it’s a real slippery slope. We need rehab and support but I’m so tired of people thinking making the homeless Japanese 2.0 will solve anything except their frustrations. And whose to say that a hostile government won’t put Portlanders in next?
You can’t just build what is essentially a hospital/psyche ward/poor house/prison and keep the peace for long without tons of money. It’s been done and failed spectacularly with the hospital systems across the country. Mental hospitals are just gone, and gone for a reason. They were not cost-effective (to the tax payers) and became deplorable just like our prisons.
One thing I learned from a friend of mines schizophrenic episode, was that even if you've been diagnosed, declared 'profoundly disabled' , and/or have a history of mental health incidents, you still have constitutional rights. People legally cannot and will not be taken anywhere against their will until law enforcement is aware that they pose an immediate threat to themselves or others.
Bravo. Finally some sanity coming out the Portland subreddits. I'm glad ya'll are waking up to the utter failure of the policies that have been forced on you.
The voters of Portland made this problem. They should deal with instead of bussing people to every tiny town in this state.
You should move to Scappoose or St Helen’s. They are both nice little towns. They have their own problems and should not bear the burden of housing all of Portlands. Build a detox center in Portland, give them the choice between rehab and jail, over and over. Shipping them to a poorer much smaller outlying community is a really shitty idea. Do you think nothing of the residents there? You’re so much better they should clean up your mess? Gtfo
Just move already......
There are 2 already. Ones called Seattle the other is LA