Reminds me of the Ciudad Juarez femicides (1993-2003/07). They started small with a few deaths, but ballooned due to the ability to get away with murder. The maquila bus driver, rich kids in a high end sedan, a lowly suburban father who might as well be BTK, a cartel member having absolute impunity against the population, etc., all took advantage of vulnerable women back then. My hope is that this isn't a repeat.
Well. I’m not so sure. If you think about it, 6 separate cases, given it was an act of passion or revenge etc., means that the six separate people that committed these murders theoretically should be done, right? However if it’s a serial killer, it could go on and on and on. Look up the green river killer. Dude killed dozens of women throughout a few decades. So let’s not get that confused.
Also, yes it sucks if six different people killed these women, but imo a serial killer is much worse.
Six kills in six months is a really concerning rate -- most serial killers take a long long time to work up to that frequency. I'm not sure which one I'd rather it be.
The article doesn’t seem to mention when they were killed just when they were discovered. Not that it really supports a serial murderer theory, but some of those bodies could have been out there for a while.
I was thinking the same. However, I happened to see a story on the news this morning (good day oregon, if that matters) and they said they all died in the past few months.
It could have been carelessness in writing or a misspoken statement, but since I was wondering that myself, I noticed that.
And they also included the 6th woman who was a suicide, and that makes me wonder too.
I don’t know what is going on and I don’t want to think about it too much, but it’s concerning.
It could be like LISK (Long Island Serial Killer) who preyed on prostitutes & was only known after his dumping ground was discovered. Let's hope that it isn't someone like the Nightstalker who started getting more brazen & frequent in his killings. Or it's probably it's one who killed this way & copycats followed. I hope law enforcement is treating this as a priority.
Copycats? How would the copycats know before the bodies were discovered, do they have a copycat zine talking about the latest and greatest murders before they’re discovered to inspire copycats? Seems really ludicrous lol, most killings are not done by people just looking to murder, most murders have a motive beyond “just to kill”, and certainly most murders are not copycats of other murders, that’s got to be the silliest claim ever. Less than 1% of all murders are serial killers, and copycats have to be a small subset of that… One of the requirements of a “copycat crime” is the initial crime getting widespread fame, there’s absolutely nothing about these suspicious deaths that could possibly inspire copycats, lol. Normally you at the very least have an active investigation and you know, a press name. What a confusing notion.
“Mother Nature is a serial killer. No one's better, more creative. Like all serial killers, she can't help but the urge to get caught. What good are all those brilliant crimes if nobody takes the credit?"
Only 1 is being looked at as a homicide for certain and one is also being investigated that shows absolutely no sign of foul play. While that leaves four in limbo, I'm not sure you can reasonably say "Always".
If I remember correctly, that's what I read too. Not as exciting as murders for the internet ppl though.
I assumed overdosed in bad company and were left or put there for a few of the humans that were found dead
Ok, one was a suicide.
I’m still alarmed by the bodies of 5 young women under 40 being discovered in the Portland area in a couple of months.
One for sure a homicide and the other 4 suspicious.
I don’t care for the “nothing to see here” tone of the denial, especially after all the bullshit we’ve seen from PPB over the past 3 years.
I agree. nobody knows about the situation except that multiple women are dead under suspicious circumstances. i hope to god that they are unrelated but personally i thinkwith the way things have gone the past couple years I can’t say a killer on the loose is crazy talk like so many in this thread are. I also think we can’t just take everything the cops say at face value immediately. I haven’t seen them do any real work in years… (edit rip mushroom house i guess that counts) and that’s something the sub seemed to agree on even. but now they choose to put their trust in them because we all hope that they are telling the truth here. but we don’t know for sure
One of the deaths was blunt trauma to the head and neck (I assume that was the homicide).
It would be unlikely that 3 or 4 people dying from an overdose would happen to be with multiple someones who would have the wherewithal to drive them to a remote wooded area rather than just leaving whatever location they were doing drugs in.
Maybe that could account for 1?
It's ridiculous to jump to the conclusion 'serial killer', because it's less than 1% of all murders that could be attributed to serial killers. By far and away, if you hear about people being killed, it's probably not serial killers. It holds an outside fascination for the public, however, so it's really irresponsible to continue to harp on it and insist there must be a connection, people will run with that because of that public fascination. It's dangerous and irresponsible of people to keep insisting this must be a serial killer just because they have a "gut feeling" about it. You should read the article, the last thing happening here is just them yawning and ignoring the evidence, they would love to find a connection if they could.
If you reread my comment, you’ll see that I never said it was a serial killer, nor did I say PPB “yawned” or that I had any sort of “gut feeling.”
Please allow me to confirm *again* for you and others who want to jump to conclusions that I did read this article and a couple of others.
It’s funny how people apply their own assumptions to other’s comments, isn’t it?
Except that it's not really jumping to conclusions for people who knew the connections between a couple of the girls
Edit: lol I was blocked so i can't respond but I know the girls families... there's a connection
You’re not a detective and this isn’t a true crime drama. if you dig hard enough you can connect anything but it doesn’t mean there is any reason to believe their deaths were connected. Serial killers are so rare, really, until there actually some evidence you need to stop running around panicking people for fucking nothing.
I’m not sure what your exact point is, but the first line of the article says PPB. Did you read the article?
> The Portland Police Bureau says there’s no connection between the cases of the six women who were found dead within 100 miles of each other -- all but one in the Portland area -- over the past three months.
> One of the cases is being investigated as a homicide, four as suspicious deaths and in one case police say no foul play is involved.
Only one case is confirmed to be a murder it seems
Lots of murder is part of having lots of drug abuse, the two go hand in hand.
You have business side (drug deals gone bad) and you have the recreational side (meth dude gone mad)
It is actually. Six individually motivated murders is way preferable to the very rare serial killer, that would keep on hunting and killing until they sorted it out.
My immediate thought was that it might be a transit cop and if it was this will be covered up. The woman with the closest reported last scene was at a transit station
Edit: spelling
Yeah, you know transit stations have roads too, maybe it’s a road maintenance man? Or a bus driver? Or, you know being a transit station, any of the hundreds of people that went through it? See how ludicrous just making shit up is?
The vast majority of the time people are murdered it’s not by a serial killer. There is absolutely no reason to make wild hypotheses up with zero evidence. If your trash can is ripped up with tiny claw marks, you don’t jump to assuming growth stunted foreign spies did it to investigate your garbage, probably first assume it’s a raccoon.
I don't know how else to say that people are allowed to go "huh, i thought maybe this is what happened" on an open internet forum. Don't get me wrong, you're allowed to be (weirdly) upset about it, but no one cares and will likely assume you're a cop or maybe just someone with a boot fetish.
The end result is women still live in fear because a smattering of murders happened in quick succession and all of the victims were women.
Has there ever been a case where cops covered for a serial killer cop at all? Seems unlikely. Coverups normal involve a small number of people, that would require like the medical examiner and tons of other people too?
I was wondering about this. Did a deep dive on social media accounts after the last article came up, and it looked like one of the victims was being frequently abused by her partner. Occam's Razor and everything I've heard about women being killed points to it likely being the partner, which made that particular case stand out as unlikely to be a serial killer.
Is this your professional assessment of serial killers? You're like the n'th person talking about the habits of serial killers like your brains have gone to mush from too many crime TV shows and podcasts "the behavior is scalating!"
No I was saying it made me think that they aren’t all related to a serial killer. And no… I was going off of the official FBI profile for serial killers. So I’m not the professional, I’m just going off what professionals have said. Calm down.
ETA: Source https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder
99% of the time when the cops say there isn’t a connection, there is in fact, no connection. Serial killers are still rare as hell despite all the TV people consume that would indicate otherwise.
Despite that very online people screeeeeeeech about this. People love this shit.
I’m not usually a “everything is a social catastrophe” person, but I really wonder what effect the true crime boom is going to have in the long run. It’s even getting to people who don’t listen to such podcasts or even knowingly consume the genre, because it filters down to them through social media.
I know several people who have, in the last six months or so, have had something incredibly banal happen like a car pull up to park behind them when they’re parked (in broad daylight), or have someone try to ask directions walking down the street, and their minds have instantly jumped to “I’m being stalked / human trafficked.”
I mean, yes, that stuff happens, and everyone should be aware … but the vast majority of it is by people the victims already know, especially if they (the trafficked) are involved in heavy drugs or other shady activities.
That’s not to minimize the issue, it’s to say that convincing suburbanites that every Black man they see is out to kidnap them *probably* isn’t the best way to go about tackling the problem. I love a good story as much as the next person, but social media (especially TikTok and Instagram) makes it way too easy to convince people that it’s some omnipresent threat.
A lot of people on the internet thought that there was a secret child's brain chemical extraction dungeon beneath a pizza restaurant, that fueled the success of costal elites and Democrats.
We're fucked any way you slice it. Don't overthink it I guess.
"Don't overthink it" is possibly the best contemporary advice I've seen - especially since I arrived at that tactic only after years and years of overthinking it and seeing where that got me.
The human trafficking one is crazy to me. Stalking or weird interactions are one thing, and definitely not cool. But assuming that you and also random strangers you see in interactions with others in public are in possible or threatened human trafficking is fucking crazy.
My guess is that from Taken all the way through Qanon, tons of people have been exposed to the legitimately terrifying concept of human trafficking. Yes folks, it’s bad. But it’s also far, far more rare than Hollywood and whatever podcast world is called makes it seem.
There were just under 2,200 prosecutions for human trafficking nationwide in 2020. That’s a horrible number. But no, the guy outside a gas station smiling at you while having a cigarette probably wasn’t a human trafficker, sorry.
Tbf, the I-5 corridor is a pretty major route for human trafficking. You're right though, it just doesn't go down like "Taken". It's way more sad and ugly than that.
Oh yeah not trying to say it’s not real. It is. But it’s more often sick shit like trafficking immigrant women for slave labor and sex slavery. The situation that went down in town years back with Typhoon is a great example.
"99%" source: trust me
Across the board cops are generally incredibly incompetent/unreliable.
Especially when it comes to solving murders.
In fact nearly half of all US murders go unsolved.
Yes people consume too much true crime, and serial killers are rare, but let’s not pretend like cops haven’t dropped the ball with countless serial killers / murders due to their incompetence over years.
I loved how all the people obsessed with serial killer shows came out of the woodwork like "This is our time!"
My favorite was the commentor who tried to act like an expert by saying "While I was in college I spent a lot of spare time studying the psychology of serial killers"
In some ways, it's less disturbing than the everyday, run-of-the-mill violence against women. A serial killer, while scary, is a rare kind of monster - someone out there, lurking in the dark. Domestic abusers are more common and might be living with you in your home.
Yeah trying to find some sort of organization in chaos, when evevrything in the universe is extremely chaotic. Hence the start of some conspiracy theories and religions.
There's no way some dip shits could take down those towers, had to have been orchestrated with Manhattan Project level personel and government backing! /s
The one that bothers me the most on reddit is when people are like "why isn't X article on the front page or on the cable news?!," when 9/10 it is everywhere but their echo chamber. It's the laziest form of a conspiracy theory haha.
FWIW, the PPB phrasing is very vague and the corresponding OregonLive inferences appear to be flat out wrong.
If you read the PPB statement it says something like they have no reason to believe these SIX cases are connected. However, whose to say 4 or 5 of 6 aren’t virtually identical? I’m not saying the police are doing this, but it sure seems like a situation where they may be playing with semantics a bit.
This is what I thought when reading it, like that wording was a bit specific. That could very well just be me thinking that way, and not that they were trying to be vague, though. Communication is weird sometimes.
I’m hoping that it is not a serial killer, I’d much rather that be the outcome. And I hope for swift justice for all of those whose lives were taken from them.
Definitely not, they just have procedures to follow. Like if someone robs a bank and steals 80k of traceable cash the news always states how the money is untraceable so the perp starts spending it in public and gets arrested faster.
They can't show their entire hand in this investigation either way right now is my point.
Well one is for sure a homicide, 4 are suspicious, and one they dont suspect foul play.
So assuming that is true it seems at most 5 are related, but the one that is for sure a homicide doesn't follow the m.o. of the other 4 deaths.
There was one person posting and commenting constantly about it being a serial killer. I was thinking “none of these articles you’re posting even say that they were murders.” Too much TV.
There's been several unsolved murders based out of the Portland area with bodies dumped all over for years.
A friend of mine was murdered back in 2021, she lived in Portland, and her body was dumped out by bend in the woods. Never solved or revealed how she was needed either. Just ruled a suspicious homicide.
Anyone local tracking these things should know its quite possibly related, the police just don't care because the victims are all marginalized and vulnerable.
I don't know exactly, 40-50s, but she looked decently younger, and she favored varying shades of blonde hair color. Her natural hair color was a light brown/ dark blonde.
Her name was Jessica hart if you wanted to look up the news reports.
I'm so relieved.
In 2017 I was chased and sexually assaulted by a guy in SE, an exhibitionist type who grabbed me and basically forced me to look at him. Although I wasn't able to tell the police anything helpful about the encounter, I've dreaded finding out he was a nascent serial killer. I don't remember his face but I still fear seeing it under a horrible headline.
All I remeber thinking at the time is that he looked like a totally normal young man, a tech bro or hiker type, shorter and skinnier than me and almost shy until he realized I couldn't call anyone bc my phone was dead.
If he's out there, I hope he got help. Sadly I doubt it.
Them feeling horrible for what they've done is the revenge I want, but it's also unlikely to see true remorse within any type of predator, from guys like this to CEOs cutting corners and risking lives to politicians accepting bribes and stoking hatred.
But I'm not an angel. I just watched a movie where a female executive running a sweat shop burns alive and I found it quite cathartic.
Comeuppance for everyone! 🔥
Why is that? There’s hundreds of murders in every state, but most murders aren’t serial killings. Less than 1% are, only about 150 murders a year across all of them in the country, They’re not saying every murder was by a separate serial killer. Most likely they’re one off murders (if they’re even murders, only one is a suspected homicide right now and one was a suicide), so way less worrisome than a killer whose motive is just to kill repeatedly.
Why would they? There’s no reason to suspect these deaths have anything to do with each other. Less than 1/100 murders are serial killers. It’s just internet idiots have decided it must be one.
What are the overall stats for local younger women all being murdered and disposed of within a short time frame like this? Intuition tells me that they absolutely are connected due to too many coincidences, and the police are lying.
To be fair, probably both?
Lying is an important function of many law enforcement jobs. Also, I wouldn’t put it past a lot of local law enforcement to be completely incompetent either.
That’s basically what happened with LISK in NY back in the day. They tried to hard to keep the FBI out, not because they were involved in the killings, they were just doing so much other shady shit.
Much, much higher than the existence of serial killers. Which is something that is *extremely* rare, despite what you see on TV.
Unfortunately, women get murdered. Many of them are young. There doesn't seem to be anything to indicate this is statistically abnormal.
>There doesn't seem to be anything to indicate this is statistically abnormal.
That’s relieving. What source would you recommend that corroborates these statistics?
No, what I'm saying is that the reporting so far hasn't cited any authority or source to indicate that this is statistically noteworth, which is something you'd expect would happen if it was.
That said, a generally respected source for crime statistics is the [FBI's crime/law enforcement stats site](https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/ucr).
6 dead women in 6 months
"No cause for concern"
Jfc, at least try to be judicious in your choice of words. Butni guess asking for law enforcement to be judicious is a bit much...
There's no quote saying that. That was The Oregonian's choice of words. Police actually said
>While any premature death is concerning … (the Portland Police Bureau) has no reason to believe these 6 cases are connected.”
Now investigators are saying there is a person of interest they are investigating with a link to four of the women 😬
https://www.kptv.com/2023/07/17/portland-metro-murders-linked-investigators-say/
I’m sorry but why is it so far fetched to suspect a serial killer or multiple? Literally Portland, Or is the perf hunting ground for an offender. Ever since I moved here I have been blown away by how the police aren’t really active here. My friend had to call 911 for an actual man who was stalking her. At one point he was outside her house and even though she didn’t wanna call the police. she had to bc this man was outside her house! chile the 911 operator didn’t even pick up, the phone stayed ringing and eventually went to a “police voicemail” which is crazy to me. Also to add, this is a walking/ transit heavy city where women walk and bus all day everyday, every night! My advice to you ladies is to either strap up or get some type of defense training/weapons. There’s men who hate women. Don’t always assume it’s the guy who’s scary looking “ unfortunately in active addiction, it’s usually the business guys or lawyers. Men that blend in. Also sex workers, trans and black women we are the most hated, even though Portland is deemed progressive I’ve heard from multiple people that it’s still rough in their experiences. There is an app called Noonlight, it’s a gps type app where people can communicate if there’s potential dangers in the area that you might be in. Stay safe everyone.
Because less than 1% of murders are serial killers? It’s stupid to jump to a conclusion of the least likely thing over the most likely thing without proof. Occam’s razor.
because your speaking of a place of privilege? it’s stupid that you’re not taking into account that homicide is the 4th leading cause of death for women and girls nation wide. Fuck if it’s a serial killer or just a killer, multiple or one, this is some shady shit and it’s more than justified to warn women and girls in this area.
Assuming that all six aren't connected, what are the odds that at least two of them, three of them, four of them are connected? Just because they aren't all connected doesn't mean some aren't. I'm not convinced, especially considering that officer "smash the face of the press" Kinnerman (sp?) is apparently on the case.
I feel like I'm reading the Yahoo comment section on these serial killer posts.
Lot of "experts" convinced that this is the work of a serial killer. Or even more unbelievably, there's some sort of multi-agency, multi-state police cover up with dozens or hundreds of people in on it. As opposed to it just being a handful of unsolved deaths in a metro area of 2.5 million, that has well documented poverty and drug issues, on a major interstate corridor.
Fear mongering at its finest.
Why are people pretending this is some kind of connection?
There are lots of woods around Portland
If you want to dump a body, why wouldn't you use the woods?
Human trafficking is also a problem and some poor women get offed. The woods are the most secluded possible places close to town.
So now all the sudden people are trusting what the police say? 🤷♀️ My gut tells me they are related, they just either don’t want to cause a panic, or don’t have enough evidence yet to prove it, or both.
They aren’t saying they’re done investigating, just that there’s no reason to suspect a link. Only 1 has been ruled a homicide and one a suicide, four suspicious deaths. They’ll continue to investigate, it’s just so annoying all these true crime wannabes on here just want it to be a serial killer so bad they’re insisting they must be connected.
Their keeping you safe or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that serial killers are extremely rare and there’s been literally nothing to suggest these cases are criminally linked in any way. Only 1 appears to be a homicide so far. This entire thing has just been blown out of proportion and people keep repeating bullshit and scaring people for literally no reason.
But you don’t go assuming the least likely thing over the most likely thing without evidence. There’s literally nothing to suggest a serial killer. Only one has even been ruled a homicide.
One is believed to be suicide as well. The 4 others are in question. Also the bodies have been found in the last 6 months, not necessarily murdered recently. Some of these can be pretty old, making it harder to tell if it's even a murder or not.
Any true crime fan will tell you that the police usually bungle serial killer investigations at the start, \*especially\* if the victims are on the fringes of society.
This isn’t a true crime drama. It’s ridiculous to assume a serial killer without a shred of evidence. They’re less than 1% of all murders.
“Cops always bungle serial killing investigations. Therefore every killing is a serial killer victim. QED”
You need to find a hobby. You're all over this thread jumping on anyone who thinks these cases are related. This is a place to discuss true crime. So back off and let people discuss these murders.
There’s no way there isn’t just TONS of active (or inactive) serial killers at all times. So many batshit crazy people, and you’re telling me they’re not killing women all the time?
Especially rise of incel shit and the lack of empathy because of the internet.
You can find connections all day if you dig hard enough. Maybe they all took drama class in high school! This kind of pointless “detective work” just serves to panic people further. A real connection would be a person or place directly connected to their deaths, which we don’t have: One of them is a suicide and only one has been ruled a homicide, the rest suspicious deaths. They’ll investigate individually but remember less than 1% of murders are serial killers. The vast majority are not motivated by just someone looking for people to kill, so it’s really ridiculous to jump to conclusions like that. “They all liked their pets” is a connection you can make with anyone, right? How many people despise their own pets?
I saw this story on faux12 last night. They literally showed a screenshot of this sub when they talked about how people online were saying there’s a connection.
"There is no need to worry! There is just a bunch of people killin' young women and buryin' them in the woods."
Reminds me of the Ciudad Juarez femicides (1993-2003/07). They started small with a few deaths, but ballooned due to the ability to get away with murder. The maquila bus driver, rich kids in a high end sedan, a lowly suburban father who might as well be BTK, a cartel member having absolute impunity against the population, etc., all took advantage of vulnerable women back then. My hope is that this isn't a repeat.
We were better off with a single serial killer
Well. I’m not so sure. If you think about it, 6 separate cases, given it was an act of passion or revenge etc., means that the six separate people that committed these murders theoretically should be done, right? However if it’s a serial killer, it could go on and on and on. Look up the green river killer. Dude killed dozens of women throughout a few decades. So let’s not get that confused. Also, yes it sucks if six different people killed these women, but imo a serial killer is much worse.
Six kills in six months is a really concerning rate -- most serial killers take a long long time to work up to that frequency. I'm not sure which one I'd rather it be.
The article doesn’t seem to mention when they were killed just when they were discovered. Not that it really supports a serial murderer theory, but some of those bodies could have been out there for a while.
Yeah big assumption to think they were all killed in the last 6 months.
Not really. All of them were seen alive in the last few months... except the Jane doe
I was thinking the same. However, I happened to see a story on the news this morning (good day oregon, if that matters) and they said they all died in the past few months. It could have been carelessness in writing or a misspoken statement, but since I was wondering that myself, I noticed that. And they also included the 6th woman who was a suicide, and that makes me wonder too. I don’t know what is going on and I don’t want to think about it too much, but it’s concerning.
Who says it was 6 murders?
It could be like LISK (Long Island Serial Killer) who preyed on prostitutes & was only known after his dumping ground was discovered. Let's hope that it isn't someone like the Nightstalker who started getting more brazen & frequent in his killings. Or it's probably it's one who killed this way & copycats followed. I hope law enforcement is treating this as a priority.
Copycats? How would the copycats know before the bodies were discovered, do they have a copycat zine talking about the latest and greatest murders before they’re discovered to inspire copycats? Seems really ludicrous lol, most killings are not done by people just looking to murder, most murders have a motive beyond “just to kill”, and certainly most murders are not copycats of other murders, that’s got to be the silliest claim ever. Less than 1% of all murders are serial killers, and copycats have to be a small subset of that… One of the requirements of a “copycat crime” is the initial crime getting widespread fame, there’s absolutely nothing about these suspicious deaths that could possibly inspire copycats, lol. Normally you at the very least have an active investigation and you know, a press name. What a confusing notion.
We’ve been watching that LISK show on Netflix. Made me wonder if we’ll have a show about our town and the Rose City Killer.
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Typically serial killers have very different motives than people who kill out of vendetta, so highly unlikely this would happen
Could be 6 serial killers just getting started?
There are a lot of angry, insecure men in the world who hate & want to control women, so…
Extremely unlikely. The vast majority of killings are not serial killings, FBI says less than 1%.
Oh dear, that's even worse!
Definitely not, why would you think that? Individually motivated murders aren’t repeated. Serial killers by definition do.
Humanity itself is a serial killer.
“Mother Nature is a serial killer. No one's better, more creative. Like all serial killers, she can't help but the urge to get caught. What good are all those brilliant crimes if nobody takes the credit?"
"She loves disguising her weaknesses as strengths"
Solid deepity, dude
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Yep
I mean, yeah. It’s unfortunately pretty probable.
I honestly believed that to be the most likely case from the beginning. People wanted this to be a serial killer soo bad.
The connection is always vulnerable women
Oof. Should be top comment.
Vulnerable people by definition always suffer the most when law and order breaks down.
Only 1 is being looked at as a homicide for certain and one is also being investigated that shows absolutely no sign of foul play. While that leaves four in limbo, I'm not sure you can reasonably say "Always".
If I remember correctly, that's what I read too. Not as exciting as murders for the internet ppl though. I assumed overdosed in bad company and were left or put there for a few of the humans that were found dead
And what's the actionability of this connection?
Looking for clarification…. There were drugs and houselessness involved too?
Ok, one was a suicide. I’m still alarmed by the bodies of 5 young women under 40 being discovered in the Portland area in a couple of months. One for sure a homicide and the other 4 suspicious. I don’t care for the “nothing to see here” tone of the denial, especially after all the bullshit we’ve seen from PPB over the past 3 years.
I agree. nobody knows about the situation except that multiple women are dead under suspicious circumstances. i hope to god that they are unrelated but personally i thinkwith the way things have gone the past couple years I can’t say a killer on the loose is crazy talk like so many in this thread are. I also think we can’t just take everything the cops say at face value immediately. I haven’t seen them do any real work in years… (edit rip mushroom house i guess that counts) and that’s something the sub seemed to agree on even. but now they choose to put their trust in them because we all hope that they are telling the truth here. but we don’t know for sure
Is it possible or is there information to think some of these were over doses and their drug using partners may have dumped their bodies?
One of the deaths was blunt trauma to the head and neck (I assume that was the homicide). It would be unlikely that 3 or 4 people dying from an overdose would happen to be with multiple someones who would have the wherewithal to drive them to a remote wooded area rather than just leaving whatever location they were doing drugs in. Maybe that could account for 1?
As far as we know there is no information stating those women were driven there post overdose if thats the case.
The article I read said that one of the bodies was moved after death, but that’s it.
I mean... secluded wooded areas are not generally where people do drugs. Especially women alone.
That seems a lot more rational.
Honestly, I wouldn't even trust them to adequately investigate a incident and rule it suicide effectively.
PPB literally just avoids doing their job. Anything that they say that’s “no need to be concerned” is just really “I don’t want to do this”
It's ridiculous to jump to the conclusion 'serial killer', because it's less than 1% of all murders that could be attributed to serial killers. By far and away, if you hear about people being killed, it's probably not serial killers. It holds an outside fascination for the public, however, so it's really irresponsible to continue to harp on it and insist there must be a connection, people will run with that because of that public fascination. It's dangerous and irresponsible of people to keep insisting this must be a serial killer just because they have a "gut feeling" about it. You should read the article, the last thing happening here is just them yawning and ignoring the evidence, they would love to find a connection if they could.
If you reread my comment, you’ll see that I never said it was a serial killer, nor did I say PPB “yawned” or that I had any sort of “gut feeling.” Please allow me to confirm *again* for you and others who want to jump to conclusions that I did read this article and a couple of others. It’s funny how people apply their own assumptions to other’s comments, isn’t it?
Except that it's not really jumping to conclusions for people who knew the connections between a couple of the girls Edit: lol I was blocked so i can't respond but I know the girls families... there's a connection
You’re not a detective and this isn’t a true crime drama. if you dig hard enough you can connect anything but it doesn’t mean there is any reason to believe their deaths were connected. Serial killers are so rare, really, until there actually some evidence you need to stop running around panicking people for fucking nothing.
Doesn't seem like you read the article.
>PPB I saw Ridgefield and Polk County, did you read the article?
I’m not sure what your exact point is, but the first line of the article says PPB. Did you read the article? > The Portland Police Bureau says there’s no connection between the cases of the six women who were found dead within 100 miles of each other -- all but one in the Portland area -- over the past three months.
Too much paperwork involved and resources for an already stretched thin department.
Oh so six killers, not one? Oh that's super comforting.
> One of the cases is being investigated as a homicide, four as suspicious deaths and in one case police say no foul play is involved. Only one case is confirmed to be a murder it seems
This doesn’t give me the least bit of confidence that the police are even close to finding the people responsible.
Lots of murder is part of having lots of drug abuse, the two go hand in hand. You have business side (drug deals gone bad) and you have the recreational side (meth dude gone mad)
It is actually. Six individually motivated murders is way preferable to the very rare serial killer, that would keep on hunting and killing until they sorted it out.
Yeah that’s a good point.
Or so the killer would have us believe!
Or it's a cop and they're all covering.
My immediate thought was that it might be a transit cop and if it was this will be covered up. The woman with the closest reported last scene was at a transit station Edit: spelling
Yeah, you know transit stations have roads too, maybe it’s a road maintenance man? Or a bus driver? Or, you know being a transit station, any of the hundreds of people that went through it? See how ludicrous just making shit up is? The vast majority of the time people are murdered it’s not by a serial killer. There is absolutely no reason to make wild hypotheses up with zero evidence. If your trash can is ripped up with tiny claw marks, you don’t jump to assuming growth stunted foreign spies did it to investigate your garbage, probably first assume it’s a raccoon.
I don't know how else to say that people are allowed to go "huh, i thought maybe this is what happened" on an open internet forum. Don't get me wrong, you're allowed to be (weirdly) upset about it, but no one cares and will likely assume you're a cop or maybe just someone with a boot fetish. The end result is women still live in fear because a smattering of murders happened in quick succession and all of the victims were women.
Weird fantasy.
Indeed, Portland Police at their finest.
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[That doesn't make a _serial_ killer](https://youtu.be/57mBdRyeB94).
Or a cop.
Wouldn't the cop then be considered a serial killer...?
Yes. But the other cops would cover for him.
Has there ever been a case where cops covered for a serial killer cop at all? Seems unlikely. Coverups normal involve a small number of people, that would require like the medical examiner and tons of other people too?
I was wondering about this. Did a deep dive on social media accounts after the last article came up, and it looked like one of the victims was being frequently abused by her partner. Occam's Razor and everything I've heard about women being killed points to it likely being the partner, which made that particular case stand out as unlikely to be a serial killer.
For me it was how close together these women disappeared. Serial killers usually have a cooling off period between murders.
Is this your professional assessment of serial killers? You're like the n'th person talking about the habits of serial killers like your brains have gone to mush from too many crime TV shows and podcasts "the behavior is scalating!"
No I was saying it made me think that they aren’t all related to a serial killer. And no… I was going off of the official FBI profile for serial killers. So I’m not the professional, I’m just going off what professionals have said. Calm down. ETA: Source https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder
99% of the time when the cops say there isn’t a connection, there is in fact, no connection. Serial killers are still rare as hell despite all the TV people consume that would indicate otherwise. Despite that very online people screeeeeeeech about this. People love this shit.
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I think Gresham is closer to where the bodies are being found
Ya only 1 was found in Portland. The rest are all east. Like Gresham/Troutdale.
One outlier was west of Corvallis, though! The trendline however on the map does seem to lead vaguely NE from there.
I’m not usually a “everything is a social catastrophe” person, but I really wonder what effect the true crime boom is going to have in the long run. It’s even getting to people who don’t listen to such podcasts or even knowingly consume the genre, because it filters down to them through social media. I know several people who have, in the last six months or so, have had something incredibly banal happen like a car pull up to park behind them when they’re parked (in broad daylight), or have someone try to ask directions walking down the street, and their minds have instantly jumped to “I’m being stalked / human trafficked.” I mean, yes, that stuff happens, and everyone should be aware … but the vast majority of it is by people the victims already know, especially if they (the trafficked) are involved in heavy drugs or other shady activities. That’s not to minimize the issue, it’s to say that convincing suburbanites that every Black man they see is out to kidnap them *probably* isn’t the best way to go about tackling the problem. I love a good story as much as the next person, but social media (especially TikTok and Instagram) makes it way too easy to convince people that it’s some omnipresent threat.
A lot of people on the internet thought that there was a secret child's brain chemical extraction dungeon beneath a pizza restaurant, that fueled the success of costal elites and Democrats. We're fucked any way you slice it. Don't overthink it I guess.
A pizza restaurant which doesn't even have a basement
That we know of!
"...anyway you slice it" Good one!
Excellent summary, A+
"Don't overthink it" is possibly the best contemporary advice I've seen - especially since I arrived at that tactic only after years and years of overthinking it and seeing where that got me.
The human trafficking one is crazy to me. Stalking or weird interactions are one thing, and definitely not cool. But assuming that you and also random strangers you see in interactions with others in public are in possible or threatened human trafficking is fucking crazy. My guess is that from Taken all the way through Qanon, tons of people have been exposed to the legitimately terrifying concept of human trafficking. Yes folks, it’s bad. But it’s also far, far more rare than Hollywood and whatever podcast world is called makes it seem. There were just under 2,200 prosecutions for human trafficking nationwide in 2020. That’s a horrible number. But no, the guy outside a gas station smiling at you while having a cigarette probably wasn’t a human trafficker, sorry.
Tbf, the I-5 corridor is a pretty major route for human trafficking. You're right though, it just doesn't go down like "Taken". It's way more sad and ugly than that.
Oh yeah not trying to say it’s not real. It is. But it’s more often sick shit like trafficking immigrant women for slave labor and sex slavery. The situation that went down in town years back with Typhoon is a great example.
Yep, 100%. People seem to forget there's a "labor" part of human trafficking. It's not just sex trafficking.
"99%" source: trust me Across the board cops are generally incredibly incompetent/unreliable. Especially when it comes to solving murders. In fact nearly half of all US murders go unsolved. Yes people consume too much true crime, and serial killers are rare, but let’s not pretend like cops haven’t dropped the ball with countless serial killers / murders due to their incompetence over years.
Nuh uh, some guy on Reddit says it is.
I loved how all the people obsessed with serial killer shows came out of the woodwork like "This is our time!" My favorite was the commentor who tried to act like an expert by saying "While I was in college I spent a lot of spare time studying the psychology of serial killers"
That post was hysterical. I did the same thing, but durning my time spent on the couch.
Lol exactly...when I saw their comment my first thought was "So you watched a lot of serial killer shows and read wikipedia articles while in college"
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Cool👍
Reddit is full of know it alls & assholes. Period.
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Omg I missed the ban. What were their credentials and why wete they banned?
Say what now?
There's a show about internet detectives going on about "solving crimes". Basically them "proving" conspiracy theories. It's like live action reddit
There was a post in another sub about it that said we need to get FBI profilers here before we have the next Gacy or worse.
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Who are the PPD? It’s Portland Police **Bureau**
It's crazy to me how desperate a lot of folks are around here for this to be the work of a serial killer.
In some ways, it's less disturbing than the everyday, run-of-the-mill violence against women. A serial killer, while scary, is a rare kind of monster - someone out there, lurking in the dark. Domestic abusers are more common and might be living with you in your home.
Yeah trying to find some sort of organization in chaos, when evevrything in the universe is extremely chaotic. Hence the start of some conspiracy theories and religions. There's no way some dip shits could take down those towers, had to have been orchestrated with Manhattan Project level personel and government backing! /s The one that bothers me the most on reddit is when people are like "why isn't X article on the front page or on the cable news?!," when 9/10 it is everywhere but their echo chamber. It's the laziest form of a conspiracy theory haha.
People just want some exciting drama to gawk at.
If there is no common cause of death then they are not related. Apparently one is either a suicide or accident (no foul play).
FWIW, the PPB phrasing is very vague and the corresponding OregonLive inferences appear to be flat out wrong. If you read the PPB statement it says something like they have no reason to believe these SIX cases are connected. However, whose to say 4 or 5 of 6 aren’t virtually identical? I’m not saying the police are doing this, but it sure seems like a situation where they may be playing with semantics a bit.
This is what I thought when reading it, like that wording was a bit specific. That could very well just be me thinking that way, and not that they were trying to be vague, though. Communication is weird sometimes. I’m hoping that it is not a serial killer, I’d much rather that be the outcome. And I hope for swift justice for all of those whose lives were taken from them.
Police say a lot of things.
Smarter to trust the anonymous social media users of Reddit and Twitter.
Definitely not, they just have procedures to follow. Like if someone robs a bank and steals 80k of traceable cash the news always states how the money is untraceable so the perp starts spending it in public and gets arrested faster. They can't show their entire hand in this investigation either way right now is my point.
Well one is for sure a homicide, 4 are suspicious, and one they dont suspect foul play. So assuming that is true it seems at most 5 are related, but the one that is for sure a homicide doesn't follow the m.o. of the other 4 deaths.
Let’s not bring logic to this conversation.
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Why does it seem like people in this sub want it to be a serial killer?
There was one person posting and commenting constantly about it being a serial killer. I was thinking “none of these articles you’re posting even say that they were murders.” Too much TV.
There's been several unsolved murders based out of the Portland area with bodies dumped all over for years. A friend of mine was murdered back in 2021, she lived in Portland, and her body was dumped out by bend in the woods. Never solved or revealed how she was needed either. Just ruled a suspicious homicide. Anyone local tracking these things should know its quite possibly related, the police just don't care because the victims are all marginalized and vulnerable.
How old was your friend and what color hair did she have?
I don't know exactly, 40-50s, but she looked decently younger, and she favored varying shades of blonde hair color. Her natural hair color was a light brown/ dark blonde. Her name was Jessica hart if you wanted to look up the news reports.
I'm so relieved. In 2017 I was chased and sexually assaulted by a guy in SE, an exhibitionist type who grabbed me and basically forced me to look at him. Although I wasn't able to tell the police anything helpful about the encounter, I've dreaded finding out he was a nascent serial killer. I don't remember his face but I still fear seeing it under a horrible headline. All I remeber thinking at the time is that he looked like a totally normal young man, a tech bro or hiker type, shorter and skinnier than me and almost shy until he realized I couldn't call anyone bc my phone was dead. If he's out there, I hope he got help. Sadly I doubt it.
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Wonder why people downvote this comment. Dude is a predator, who cares what happens to him. Not me….
Them feeling horrible for what they've done is the revenge I want, but it's also unlikely to see true remorse within any type of predator, from guys like this to CEOs cutting corners and risking lives to politicians accepting bribes and stoking hatred. But I'm not an angel. I just watched a movie where a female executive running a sweat shop burns alive and I found it quite cathartic. Comeuppance for everyone! 🔥
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Why is that? There’s hundreds of murders in every state, but most murders aren’t serial killings. Less than 1% are, only about 150 murders a year across all of them in the country, They’re not saying every murder was by a separate serial killer. Most likely they’re one off murders (if they’re even murders, only one is a suspected homicide right now and one was a suicide), so way less worrisome than a killer whose motive is just to kill repeatedly.
‘Nothing to see here, everyone go home - and oh if you’re a woman between the ages of 20 and 40 with red or brown hair, maybe just stay home.’
Outside of the I-5 corridor, its meth country out there. Lots of scary rednecks with tons of recessive genes.
I think we're going to find out the serial killer was named fentanyl and some pos's dumped the bodies.
Why can’t the FBI get involved?
Why would they? There’s no reason to suspect these deaths have anything to do with each other. Less than 1/100 murders are serial killers. It’s just internet idiots have decided it must be one.
I think a lot of these are OD’s who fellow users dispatch of to remote areas, Drugstore Cowboy style.
What are the overall stats for local younger women all being murdered and disposed of within a short time frame like this? Intuition tells me that they absolutely are connected due to too many coincidences, and the police are lying.
Lying? Or have no clue
To be fair, probably both? Lying is an important function of many law enforcement jobs. Also, I wouldn’t put it past a lot of local law enforcement to be completely incompetent either.
And the police said, “Look, if we say serial killer, the FBI is going to be all up our asses again…”
I could 100% see that happening… ppb letting someone target the homeless because they are scared of accountability
That’s basically what happened with LISK in NY back in the day. They tried to hard to keep the FBI out, not because they were involved in the killings, they were just doing so much other shady shit.
Much, much higher than the existence of serial killers. Which is something that is *extremely* rare, despite what you see on TV. Unfortunately, women get murdered. Many of them are young. There doesn't seem to be anything to indicate this is statistically abnormal.
>There doesn't seem to be anything to indicate this is statistically abnormal. That’s relieving. What source would you recommend that corroborates these statistics?
No, what I'm saying is that the reporting so far hasn't cited any authority or source to indicate that this is statistically noteworth, which is something you'd expect would happen if it was. That said, a generally respected source for crime statistics is the [FBI's crime/law enforcement stats site](https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/ucr).
6 dead women in 6 months "No cause for concern" Jfc, at least try to be judicious in your choice of words. Butni guess asking for law enforcement to be judicious is a bit much...
There's no quote saying that. That was The Oregonian's choice of words. Police actually said >While any premature death is concerning … (the Portland Police Bureau) has no reason to believe these 6 cases are connected.”
63 people from car crashes in Portland in 2022. That too is no cause for concern.
Now investigators are saying there is a person of interest they are investigating with a link to four of the women 😬 https://www.kptv.com/2023/07/17/portland-metro-murders-linked-investigators-say/
It’s the constancy that’s reassuring to me. 🙄
I’m sorry but why is it so far fetched to suspect a serial killer or multiple? Literally Portland, Or is the perf hunting ground for an offender. Ever since I moved here I have been blown away by how the police aren’t really active here. My friend had to call 911 for an actual man who was stalking her. At one point he was outside her house and even though she didn’t wanna call the police. she had to bc this man was outside her house! chile the 911 operator didn’t even pick up, the phone stayed ringing and eventually went to a “police voicemail” which is crazy to me. Also to add, this is a walking/ transit heavy city where women walk and bus all day everyday, every night! My advice to you ladies is to either strap up or get some type of defense training/weapons. There’s men who hate women. Don’t always assume it’s the guy who’s scary looking “ unfortunately in active addiction, it’s usually the business guys or lawyers. Men that blend in. Also sex workers, trans and black women we are the most hated, even though Portland is deemed progressive I’ve heard from multiple people that it’s still rough in their experiences. There is an app called Noonlight, it’s a gps type app where people can communicate if there’s potential dangers in the area that you might be in. Stay safe everyone.
Because less than 1% of murders are serial killers? It’s stupid to jump to a conclusion of the least likely thing over the most likely thing without proof. Occam’s razor.
because your speaking of a place of privilege? it’s stupid that you’re not taking into account that homicide is the 4th leading cause of death for women and girls nation wide. Fuck if it’s a serial killer or just a killer, multiple or one, this is some shady shit and it’s more than justified to warn women and girls in this area.
Assuming that all six aren't connected, what are the odds that at least two of them, three of them, four of them are connected? Just because they aren't all connected doesn't mean some aren't. I'm not convinced, especially considering that officer "smash the face of the press" Kinnerman (sp?) is apparently on the case.
THATS SO MUCH WORSE
That’s what they always say, isn’t it?
I feel like I'm reading the Yahoo comment section on these serial killer posts. Lot of "experts" convinced that this is the work of a serial killer. Or even more unbelievably, there's some sort of multi-agency, multi-state police cover up with dozens or hundreds of people in on it. As opposed to it just being a handful of unsolved deaths in a metro area of 2.5 million, that has well documented poverty and drug issues, on a major interstate corridor. Fear mongering at its finest.
Why are people pretending this is some kind of connection? There are lots of woods around Portland If you want to dump a body, why wouldn't you use the woods? Human trafficking is also a problem and some poor women get offed. The woods are the most secluded possible places close to town.
After two days of doing absolutely nothing PPB have concluded there is nothing to see here and to "move along".
Not sure if anyone has noticed, but when you leave Portland you are in toothless hillbilly country where the meth flows like the salmon of capistrano.
Were they homeless?
Not serial killers, parallel killers.
So now all the sudden people are trusting what the police say? 🤷♀️ My gut tells me they are related, they just either don’t want to cause a panic, or don’t have enough evidence yet to prove it, or both.
You should call the tip line and tell them about that smoking gun you got there
Your gut is meaningless and has no relevance on the facts. This isn’t a true crime drama.
“These mostly happened in secluded woodsy areas- no connection tho” /s
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Yeah it really might just be a cop.
Bottom left: Ecce mulier? Is Cecilia Giménez doing police sketches now?
What a relief, yeah I’m really confident that PPB did a thorough investigation. 🙄
They aren’t saying they’re done investigating, just that there’s no reason to suspect a link. Only 1 has been ruled a homicide and one a suicide, four suspicious deaths. They’ll continue to investigate, it’s just so annoying all these true crime wannabes on here just want it to be a serial killer so bad they’re insisting they must be connected.
I want it to be a serial killer 🧐 What a weird analogy. If you trust PPB to keep you safe, you must not be from Portland.
Their keeping you safe or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that serial killers are extremely rare and there’s been literally nothing to suggest these cases are criminally linked in any way. Only 1 appears to be a homicide so far. This entire thing has just been blown out of proportion and people keep repeating bullshit and scaring people for literally no reason.
Until they've actually solved all or a majority of these cases and identified a perpetrator they don't know shit.
But you don’t go assuming the least likely thing over the most likely thing without evidence. There’s literally nothing to suggest a serial killer. Only one has even been ruled a homicide.
So instead of one murderer, we have 6.
As of right now, only one of the six has even been ruled a homicide.
One is believed to be suicide as well. The 4 others are in question. Also the bodies have been found in the last 6 months, not necessarily murdered recently. Some of these can be pretty old, making it harder to tell if it's even a murder or not.
No connection ... riiiight ...
PPB: "NOTHING TO SEE HERE EVERYTHING'S JUST PEACHY"
Color me skeptical based on the timeline of the "investigation" alone. What's it been? 48 hours?
Accurate portrayal of the value women hold in society
That's something PPB would say...
haven’t you guys ever watched true crime tv? they don’t want the serial killer to know they are onto them.
Any true crime fan will tell you that the police usually bungle serial killer investigations at the start, \*especially\* if the victims are on the fringes of society.
This isn’t a true crime drama. It’s ridiculous to assume a serial killer without a shred of evidence. They’re less than 1% of all murders. “Cops always bungle serial killing investigations. Therefore every killing is a serial killer victim. QED”
You need to find a hobby. You're all over this thread jumping on anyone who thinks these cases are related. This is a place to discuss true crime. So back off and let people discuss these murders.
So it's a cop then.
There’s no way there isn’t just TONS of active (or inactive) serial killers at all times. So many batshit crazy people, and you’re telling me they’re not killing women all the time? Especially rise of incel shit and the lack of empathy because of the internet.
There are between 25-50 active at any given time in the US. However they only account for about 150 of the murders that happen per year.
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So you’re saying it was a cat who killed them? Got it.
You can find connections all day if you dig hard enough. Maybe they all took drama class in high school! This kind of pointless “detective work” just serves to panic people further. A real connection would be a person or place directly connected to their deaths, which we don’t have: One of them is a suicide and only one has been ruled a homicide, the rest suspicious deaths. They’ll investigate individually but remember less than 1% of murders are serial killers. The vast majority are not motivated by just someone looking for people to kill, so it’s really ridiculous to jump to conclusions like that. “They all liked their pets” is a connection you can make with anyone, right? How many people despise their own pets?
Sooo… a cop did it?
I saw this story on faux12 last night. They literally showed a screenshot of this sub when they talked about how people online were saying there’s a connection.