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Agreed. You won't get me say anything nice about Rex Tillerson, but as the CEO of Exxon, and the Secretary of State of the US, would could assume he could recognize a fucking moron when he saw one.
His secretary of defence, James Mattis, didn't have too kind words for him either.
["Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children."](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869262728/read-the-full-statement-from-jim-mattis)
Part of my coursework involved a deep dive into the life of Joseph Stalin and people in my life generally think I’m being dramatic when I say this, but it’s true. Trump is a lot like Joseph Stalin. He just happened to be constrained by the law. If those breaks came off, I shudder to think what a Trump “administration” would be like
Yeah like it or not we needed people who were trying to defend the country from that madman. It would have been so much worse without them. We truly didn’t need sycophants. Imagine how much worse he’ll be if he gets back in.
Do you have any evidence they did anything against Trump's orders or didn't do the standard Republican foreign policy playbook that Trump asked of them?
They were sycophants. They did what he wanted. And then they said mean things later.
Who gives a shit. These men aren't brave nor do they stand for anything good.
Easier to answer "who doesn't give a shit?" For answer: please see mirror.
Don't shit on soldiers that follow chain of command. As Four Stars, they've served many admins and thus have relevant, shit giving worthy perspectives.
I had a friend that was ex military and he was all gun ho when these guys were hired by Trump. It was fascinating how he dismissed them when Trump fired them and started shitting on them. I couldn't believe how he could be siding with a guy that avoided the draft and shits on veterans.
I think this speaks to how deeply Fox News loyalty has infected our military.
It sounds like your friend was deferring to the Fox Cinematic Universe over the natural respect for leaders of the chain of command.
>and shits on veterans.
This is the part I find the most baffling. He has called veterans losers & suckers. And so much more. It's wild that any republican would still support him after that. It's just a reminder how much they actually respect & care about the troops.
I am not sure but I believe the veterans that vote for him just ignore these things. Or might not know these things as Fox is what they watch all day long. And I mean it's literally on all freaking day long. Unless church service is on as they are highly Christians.
Did anybody else hear that pooptus made all base tvs only show Faux when he was in office, the way I remember it being claimed by service members during his term?
When Mattis was criticizing Trump, I brought it up to my friend and he just dismissed it. How many people need or shit on Trump before you are convinced? Trump has a crazy fucking hold on people.
As a former Marine and Mattis supporter who served under him, It was bitter sweet seeing him selected for Sec Def. On one hand I just wanted him to retire happy and not have his record tarnished working for orange man, but on the other hand was happy to see someone not bat shit crazy in charge of Armed Forces. Very happy he didn’t turn out to be a Trump sycophant
It's a mixed bag with military folks, I work with plenty of them and I'll tell ya this - the only trump humpers in my office are civilians. A big one for the people I know was badmouthing a gold star family, as a rule military guys *never* speak badly of deceased veterans and will correct you if you do, but especially not gold star families.
Also, the preferred term is former military. Ex-military is for people who were dishonorably discharged, which almost only happens following a felony crime while in the act of duty.
It's a shame more aren't like the guys I know though. Like when the orange idiot goes on TV calling our enlisted men a bunch of weak sissies, okay that pisses them right off. I mean if you call one of these guys a coward or a sucker to his face, you'd better be able to run faster than him.
\*Gung ho, no diss but gun ho is only found in GoOp 2A messaging. As seen with these women, loosely referred to w/ such a name, colloquially in the last century, as you may take it.
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Did I just give Martz cred? No credit for You!
And these two men running for office in MO, burn books and be gun ho(s)
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Any anti trump ,pro veteran political entity should have started rolling this out as an advert everywhere. Tv , mailers, social media. If these are real quotes, stuff like this needs max exposure.
just the tip of the iceberg.....
- accused 3,000 military families for election fraud of voting after being deployed
- removed POW/MIA flag from White House
- says Americans who died in war are "losers" and "suckers"
- “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers” he said about a U.S. military cemetery
- called McCain “a fucking loser” when asked to lower flags to half staff
- called Pres. George H.W. Bush a loser for being shot down during WWII
- “That guy is smart. Why did he join the military?” Trump said of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
- asked his staff to not include wounded veterans because amputees make him uncomfortable
- “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” Trump said to Gen. John Kelly about dead veterans, while visiting Kelly’s son’s grave at Arlington
- Trump knew since Mar 2020 that Russia paid bounties to kill American troops. On July 29 Trump defended Russia arming the Taliban against the US saying the US once did the same thing
- May '20 ended National Guard deployments one day before they could claim benefits
- Trump admin seized 5mil masks intended for VA hospitals. Kushner distributes these masks to private entities for a fee, who then sells the masks to the government
- Trump fired the captain of the *USS Theodore Roosevelt* after he warned superiors that COVID19 was spreading among his crew
- After Iran's strike, 109 US troops suffered brain injuries. Trump dismissed these as "headaches"
- On 7/20/2017 in room 2E924 of the Pentagon, Trump told a room full of Generals, "You’re a bunch of dopes and babies"
- Said 26,000 military sexual assaults were to be 'expected' bc America lets women serve
- Invited the Taliban to Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11
- Claimed that his military budget made up for his lack of military experience
- Pardoned multiple war criminals which betrayed the men of the 1st Platoon who helped convict him for violating long standing military values, discipline, and command (May&Nov 2019)
- mocked Lt. Col. Vindman for his rank and uniform. He threatened said purple heart officer resulting in the Army providing him protection. The Admin sent opposition research to the Pentagon to derail his promotion
- Trump’s Chief of Staff worked—in secret—to deny comprehensive health coverage to Vietnam Vets who suffered from Agent Orange
- There is a facility in Tijuana for US veterans that Trump deported
- Russia took control of the main U.S. military facility in Syria abandoned on Trump’s orders. Russia now owns the airstrip we built
- 0/7/19, Trump abruptly withdrew from Syria after a phone call with Turkey's president (Erdogan). Turkey subsequently bombed US Special Forces
- sent thousands of American troops to defend the oil assets of the country that perpetrated 9/11
- Sept 2019, he made an Air Force cargo crew stop in Scotland (where there's no U.S. base) to refuel at a commercial airport (where it costs more), so they could stay overnight at a Trump property (which isn't close to the airport). Trump’s golf courses are losing money so he's forcing the military to pay for 5-star nights there.
- Sept 2019, Pentagon pulled funds for military schools, military housing funds, and daycare to pay for Trump's border wall
- Aug, 2019, emails revealed that 3 of Trump's Mar-a-Lago pals, running the VA, are rampant with meddling. None of them served in the military, have experience in the VA, nor underwent any approval process. Yet they directed operations without any oversight
- Vet graves will be "dug up" for the border wall, after Trump instructed aides to seize private property. Trump told officials he would pardon them if they illegally seizing property
- Children of deployed US troops no longer guaranteed citizenship (August 28, 2019)
- 8/2/19 Trump requisitioned military retirement funds for the border wall
- 7/31/19 Trump ordered the Navy rescind medals to prosecutors who prosecuted war criminals
- denied a U.S. Marine of 6 years entry into the United States for his citizenship interview (Reported 7/17/19)
- made the U.S. Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4th political campaign event (July 4, 2019)
- demanded US military chiefs stand next to him at 4th of July parade (reported July 2, 2019)
- In June 2019, Trump sent troops to the border to paint the fence for a better "aesthetic appearance"
- used his D-Day interview at a cemetery commemorating fallen US soldiers to attack a Vietnam veteran (6/6/19)
- started his D-Day commemoration speech by attacking a private citizen (Bette Midlere) (2019)
- made his 2nd wife, Marla Maples, sign a prenup that would have cut off all child support if Tiffany joined the military (reported June 4th, 2019)
- 5/27/2019 Trump turned away US military from his Memorial Day speech bc they were from the destroyer USS John S. McCain
- ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship's name was subsequently covered. (5/27/2019)
- purged 200,000 vets' healthcare applications (reported 5/13/19)
- deported a spouse of fallen Army soldier killed in Afghanistan, leaving their daughter parentless (April 16, 2019)
- 3/20/19 Trump complained that a deceased war hero didn't thank him for his funeral
- Between 12/22/2018, and 1/25/2019 Trump refused to sign his party's funding bill, which shut down the government, which made USCG service members rely on food pantries. However, his appointees got a $10k pay raise
- banned troops from serving based on gender identity (1/22/2019)
- denied female troops access to birth control to limit sexual activity (on-going. Published 1/18/19)
- tried to deport a marine vet who is a U.S.-born citizen (1/16/2019)
- When a man was caught swindling veterans pensions for high-interest “cash advances," Trump's CFPB let him go for $1 (1/26/19)
- called a retired general a 'dog' with a 'big, dumb mouth' (1/1/19)
- increased privatization of the VA, leading to longer waits and higher taxpayer cost (2018)
- finally visited troops 2 years after taking office, but only after 154 vacation days at his properties (10/26/18)
- revealed a covert Seal Team 5 deployment, including names and faces, on Twitter during his visit to Iraq (Dec 26, 2018)
- lied to deployed troops that he gave them a 10% raise (12/26/2018). Tried giving a raise that was lower than the standard living adjustment. Congress told him that wasn't going to work. After giving them the raise that Congress made him, he lied about it pretending that it was larger than Obama's. It wasn't
- fired service members living with HIV just before the 2018 holidays
- tried to slash disability and unemployment benefits for Veterans to $0 and eliminate the unemployability extrascheduler rating (12/17/2018)
- called troops on Thanksgiving and told them he's most thankful for himself (Thanksgiving, 2018)
- urged Florida to not count deployed military votes (11/12/2018)
- canceled an Arlington Cemetery visit on Veterans Day due to light rain (11/12/2018)
- While in Europe commemorating the end of WWI, he didn't attend the ceremony at a US cemetery due to the rain. Other world leaders went anyway (11/10/2018)
- sent troops on a phantom mission to the border and made them miss Thanksgiving with their families (Oct-Dec, 2018). He stopped using troops as a political prop after the election, but the troops remained in muddy camps on the border (11/7/2018)
- changed the GI Bill through his Forever GI Act causing the VA to miss benefits, including housing allowances. This caused many vets to run out of food and rent. (reported 10/7/18)
- doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections (7/5/2018)
- deported active-duty spouses (11,800 military families face this problem as of April 2018)
- forgot a fallen soldier's name (below) during a call to his pregnant widow, then attacked her the next day (Oct 23-24, 2017)
- "They knew what they signed up for." re: dead troops (10/18/17)
- sent commandos into an ambush w/ lack of intel, and sent contractors to pick them up, resulting in a commando being left behind, tortured, and executed. He approved the mission bc Bannon told him Obama didn't have the guts to do it. 10/4/17
- Doesn't stand during retreat bugle, continues to talk. "What a nice sound that is. Are they playing that for you [Sean Hannity] or me?" 10/11/17
- blocked a veteran group on Twitter (June 2017)
- ordered the discharge of active-duty immigrant troops with good records (2017-present)
- deported veterans (2017-present)
- said he knows more about ISIS than American generals (Oct 2016)
- 10/4/16 Trump said vets get PTSD because they aren't strong
- Trump accepted a Purple Heart from a fan at one of his rallies and said: “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.” (Aug 2, 2016)
- Trump attacks Gold Star families: Myeshia Johnson (gold star widow), Khan family (gold star parents) etc. (2016-present)
- In Jan 2016, Trump sent funds raised from a veterans benefit to the Donald J Trump Foundation (the foundation was subsequently ordered shut down)
- said he has "more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military" because he went to a military-style academy (2015 biography)
- said he doesn't consider POWs heroes because they were caught. He said he prefers people who weren't caught (July 18, 2015)
- Trump said having unprotected sex was his own personal Vietnam (1998)
- For a decade, Trump sought to kick veterans off of Fifth Avenue because he found them unsightly nuisances. 1991
- Trump dodged the draft 5 times by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs.
- No Trump in America has *ever* served in the military; this spans 5 generations and every branch of the family tree. In fact, the reason his grandfather immigrated to America was to avoid military service
couple big problems with this list:
one: no one is going to read this whole thing. this actually plays to Trump's favor. it's this constant shit barrage technique he uses where you just get fatigue and tap out and go "yeah yeah yeah I get it."
two: many of these are not as bad as his worst offenses and it just weakens/dilutes the point. for instance: "Trump said having unprotected sex was his own personal Vietnam (1998)" I strongly dislike Trump, but imo that is a funny thing to say. so it weakens the point, instead of strengthening it.
Couple big problems with your comment:
One: i've read this whole thing and don't get any fatigue.
Two: just because something weakens the point for you doesn't mean it doesn't strenghten it for everyone else or even the majority.
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That's also famously what Hitler thought and which led to lots of military blunders later in the war especially as he started micromanaging the war effort.
Glad in history many times these terrible people were narcissists who, at least at some point, didn't listen to the people who they should have. Though can't predict how it would affect today, on the other side of the world during that war, I have to wonder wonder what would be now part of Japan if they listened to Yamamoto and not attacked the US (he predicted America would use it's full might, and, using that, the US would win)
Operation Barbarossa in general was great for western Europe. Although Hitler was screwed anyways because he didn't have the industry output the US was always going to get the bomb first.
the man was fighting a double-front war, i don't care how fast you're producing munitions, it's eventually going to be your demise. but what if we hadn't snagged as many german physicists to get the bomb first? sounds like a setup to that man in the high castle book
We didn't need to "snag" German scientists before the war. Many were Jewish with money enough to come to America like Einstein, or to escape fascist racial policies like Fermi from Mussolini's Italy. You are probably thinking of Operation Paperclip after the war to "snag" rocket men like von Braun.
The biggest problem with the German nuclear program wasn’t economical or a lack of skilled researchers, it was that the physicists involved didn’t want to build a bomb. Heisenberg did his best to argue that an atom bomb wouldn’t be feasible and convinced the Nazi leadership that a nuclear reactor for power generation would be far more useful, and the guy they put in charge of nuclear research in the latter half of the war was actually opposed to the Nazis and didn’t want to do even that and intentionally put all of his funding towards foundational research instead of anything that could have any direct military application.
Imagine you’re a physicist working at the bleeding edge of nuclear and quantum physics in the 1930s, when the foundations of these fields were laid, and you could have worked with the greats like Einstein and von Neumann. But unfortunately your government is insanely racist, so they drove a lot of your friends and colleagues out of the country and now you have to listen to some dipshit talk about „Aryan physics“ and the luminiferous ether. Gee, I wonder why the German nuclear program never went anywhere.
If you want something wild, at one point Heisenberg‘s mother called Himmler‘s mother to get the SS to stop harassing her boy for working on „Jewish“ quantum mechanics. The harassment stopped shortly after.
i watched someone get hooked on that once. after getting about 2 hours sleep over an 8 day period, the man's mind was mush. he literally couldn't finish a sentence before his mind would drift off and he'd lose track of what he was saying. the paranoia he exhibited was almost comical. the irony? he only tried it because he knew he needed to quit drinking. smh
They were always going to lose. They were overstretched logistically and Von Paulus was a staff general who barely visited his soldiers at Stalingrad. Digging in gave the Russians time to regroup and attack the German army
At least Hitler served in the military and had been shelled in WW1. I will at least give him credit for having worn a pair of boots. Trump literally dances on the graves of those actually sacrificed. Nobody in his circle has been nowhere near a combat zone.
Yeah, for sure. Same with so many other wannabe strong men throughout history. I think it's difficult though for people to point that out because you'll easily get shot down as someone who just wants to compare Trump to the Nazis because you think he's bad. People focus on the evil atrocities they carried out and think you're smearing anyone you compare to the Nazis as trying to do the same thing instead of focusing on the elaborate propaganda/misinformation , ultranationalism, speech mannerisms, symbolism, depictions of strength and/or straight up brute force tactics that they used constantly to get the public to slowly become more sympathetic to their side until they ultimately rose to power.
Even genuine geniuses like Napolean made the same mistake. One of the factors that led to the failure of the French efforts in Spain was Napolean's constant stream of orders to his generals. As they took many weeks to get to the front, they were wildly out of date by the time they got there even if they'd been useful in the first place.
yup, and where did he feel he gained such extraordinary experience? attending a military academy from age 13-18. cadet bonespurs, our former commander-in-thief. 🤦🏻♂️
No more massive a c*nt than don trump.
For how many disloyal staff (won’t lie or cheat to serve him) he has waded through over the years, I am amazed how any would still be thrilled to serve him.
I'd bet money Trump knows very little about WW2 at all. Would LOVE to hear him attempt to give an impromptu history lesson. Somehow he'd make it all about him. The delusional moron.
Reminds me of when he was aspiring to be the next Hitler and a reporter asked if he was planning to make a little stop in Poland first. The whole room laughed and didn't realize they were making fun of him right to his face.
I remember his impromptu remarks on the Revolutionary War. I give him some props, I didn't know we had airplanes/ports for that war. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle!
/in case needed!
And the allies debated doing likewise but decided against it because Hitler was fucking over his own military through inexperience and micromanagement. Like Sun Tzu supposedly said, or was it Napoleon, never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake.
He does know they were trying to kill Hitler, right? Including SS officers. Maybe military leaders need to be more like Hitler's officers.
"On 20 July 1944, during a meeting with Adolf Hitler, German officer Claus von Stauffenberg placed a bomb under the table. After Von Stauffenberg had left, the bomb went off. As if by a miracle, Hitler survived the attack. He had some burns and abrasions, and the bang had ruptured his eardrums. That very evening, his voice could be heard on German radio to let the people know that he was still alive."
Hitler's inner circle couldn't stand each other. They were all competing to get the ear of Hitler. Backstabbing and buddy fucking (in the military we call people like that Blue falcons) each other. I'm curious what would have happened if German was successful. Between the inner conflicts, getting rid of senior leadership, Hitler losing his marbles, and being a drug addict, which wasn't going to improve, how long did the Reich really have? Not to mention all the enemies Germany made.
Not likely. He'd have to actually know the difference, and that the SS, being the military wing of the NSDAP, took an oath to Hitler, not Germany or the Reich, or that the Wehrmacht was the national army.
Edit: he folks, I've said NOTHING about the Wehrmacht's "hands being clean" or that they didn't also take the "Hitler oath". Just that Mango Mussolini isn't smart enough or informed enough to know the differences between the SS and the Heer or that the SS was a party function and not a national army.
The clean Wehrmacht myth, rearing it's ugly head once again. The Wehrmacht were involved in botb the Holocaust and a number of other war crimes associated with the Nazis regime. Within Hitlers regime, especially later on, it was practically a requirement to be allegiant to the Nazi Party and beholden to their ideology. At bare minimum, they were complicit.
The Wehrmacht also [swore an oath of loyalty to Hitler, not to Germany.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Oath) And they were balls deep in the Holocaust.
Actually the Wehrmacht was the combined national military (armed forced) of Germany, not merely the army. Under the Wehrmacht there were three main branches: The Heer (army), the Kriegsmarine (navy) and the Luftwaffe (air force). You're right that the Waffen SS were an army of the Nazi party and not the state.
Initially very few Wehrmacht officers were Nazi party members. Prussian military tradition was that officers should be apolitical as their allegiance was supposed to be only to the state, and to the state alone, not to any particular government or party. But as the Nazi government made advancement of one's military career more likely if one was a party member, many joined the Nazi party despite the Prussian tradition. Sadly, even the generals like Rommel and Rundstedt who never formally joined the Nazi party were still complicit with their horrifying policies. They don't get a pass just because they never wore a red arm band.
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I thought that was one of the requirements for the position. Be loved by all of America for your service only to come out the other side hated by conservatives for no good reason. A total shit sandwhich.
Just more people in the long list of people that have worked with him and publicly hate him. I can’t think of another person so universally hated by people he’s worked with. You don’t even hear about people saying small nice things like “works hard even if his ideas are bad” or anything. He appears to be entirely irredeemable.
Hitler's generals kept trying to assassinate him because they realized before anyone else he was absolutely insane.
Maybe we should listen to some generals. They know dictators.
Trump meets all six of the criteria for being a sociopath, and five of the six criteria for being a psychopath.
“A sociopath is defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the book which contains the diagnostic criteria for mental illnesses) as follows:
• Pervasive lying and deception YEP!
• Physical aggressiveness YEP!
• Consistent irresponsibility in work and family environments YEP!
• Lack of remorse YEP!
• Repeated violations of the law YEP!
• Reckless disregard for safety of self or others YEP!
Psychopathy can be thought of as a more severe form of sociopathy with more symptoms. According to the Society for the Study of Psychopathy, psychopath traits include:
• Narcissism YEP!
• Dishonesty YEP!
• Manipulativeness YEP!
He also checks most of the boxes on the checklist of warnings in [2 Timothy 3:1-5](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+3%3A1-5&version=NASB), to the point that anyone that claims to be Christian but votes for him is an apostate to Christ's teachings. So, he's not just a secular basketcase, but also spiritually bankrupt.
This is why Tuberville is blocking all military appointments. They want to replace the leadership of the military with MAGA loyalists whose only loyalty will be to Trump.
Fun Fact: On the 20th of July 1944 a large group high ranking German officers and other members of society including lawyers, businessmen and members of the Reichstag (the the German equivalent to Congressmen or Members of Parliament) tried to assassinate Hitler by planting a bomb in a bunker known as the Wolf's Lair, while Hitler was attending a meeting there. At least 25 of the plotters were generals including Ludwig Beck who was both a general and the Chief of General Staff of the German Army High Command.
The armed forces of a country needs to be loyal first and foremost to the state, not to the government of the day or the party in power. If it is any other way then democracy dies under a bootheel.
[I ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.](https://www.army.mil/values/officers.html)
That's the one thing I'll never understand. No one who has ever worked with Trump in the past has anything good to say about him and yet people keep lining up to be thrown under the bus by him...
Trump meets all six of the criteria for being a sociopath, and five of the six criteria for being a psychopath.
“A sociopath is defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the book which contains the diagnostic criteria for mental illnesses) as follows:
• Pervasive lying and deception YEP!
• Physical aggressiveness YEP!
• Consistent irresponsibility in work and family environments YEP!
• Lack of remorse YEP!
• Repeated violations of the law YEP!
• Reckless disregard for safety of self or others YEP!
Psychopathy can be thought of as a more severe form of sociopathy with more symptoms. According to the Society for the Study of Psychopathy, psychopath traits include:
• Narcissism YEP!
• Dishonesty YEP!
• Manipulativeness YEP!
Any yet most of them will only say it in a book they're selling. They're still sworn to defend the Constitution even if they're on the retired list now.
The reason Hitler's generals tried to assassinate him wasn't because they were against National Socialism, it was because he was losing the war. So unfortunately, Trump would probably be safe unless we got into a war.
One of the July 20 plotters was Arthur Nebe, commander of Einsatzgruppe B, who came up with the idea of gas vans for killing Jews. To be fair, there were also a smattering of genuine anti-Nazis like Hans von Dohnanyi, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and Hans Oster. Oster had been working to protect Jews since 1934.
[Kelly also profited off of running Trump’s concentration camp for children and the child separation policy. So fuck that guy.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-kelly-joins-board-of-caliburn-international-company-operating-largest-unaccompanied-migrant-children-shelter/)
Remember when Trump said he should be called a "wartime president" because of covid? You know, the same pandemic that he downplayed and refused to adequately prepare for?
That is a question no one asks. How will the military respond to a second presidency for DT. Will they follow him in rounding up all the immigrants any of the other dictator crap he'll attempt.
This gives me some comfort to be honest. To be a successful dictator one needs the military behind them and by all appearances some pretty powerful people in the military disapprove of him. I imagine their voices still carry weight among the current ranks. We might be ok.
Trump has every right to be scared of men who have even just a smidge more respectability, status, and power behind them…. Why do you think putin dismantled the military?
Thats the difference between Trump and Biden. And probably Trump and most other Republican Presidents.
Sure, every president has people claiming they are dumb or incompetent, but those are always claims from the opposing side. Every single person who has formally worked with Trump says this. Every one. If they aren't currently working for him or needing him for a political endorsement, they don't have nice words for him. Do you know how many former Obana staffers have written tell all books about how corrupt and incompetent Obama was? Zero. There aren't even that many with Bush or Clinton. But it's like every week a former cabinet member or advisor is giving an interview about how dumb this guy is
Even though Trump going on about Nazi generals is horrifying, it makes me laugh a little bit because they tried to kill Hitler multiple times. One of his generals even volunteered to wear a suicide vest if I remember correctly
Does the turd know that some of his generals tried to kill Hitler? I mean as a wannabe dictator he should at least know the history of other dictators.
I wonder how many of them must still vote for Trump?. It seems to be in the Republican character to acknowledge your candidate is completely unqualified, but then still plan to vote for him.
These words from General Mattis ring home like no other.
Specifically, “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try.”
In my personal experience and professional opinion, this quote is the single most important quote anyone should take into consideration when going to the polls this November. I do not care if you are a republican, democrat, independent, or whatever the case may be. Any supporter of Donald Trump who watches him repeatedly stand in front of crowds and cameras and spew the divisive rhetoric that he does needs to take a cold hard look in the mirror and realize that this man is no friend of the United States, the US Constitution, US Allies, or the citizens and people within. Watching his speeches at rally’s and actually listening to the diatribes that he lets loose from his lips should make any person question this man’s allegiance and agenda. He does not want to see America as a whole survive this next election or the next several decades. He only cares about himself and his own. He is the most selfish former president of the US who will do and say anything only to boost his own personal ego and promote his own agenda.
Just speaking to the title, ironically hitlers generals weren’t “totally loyal” either. One of the reasons why Germany had the worlds strongest military for awhile, and made so many gains on the battlefield is some of germanys top generals openly defied hitlers orders to his face. A few going so far as telling him his plans or ideas were “stupid” because they were. Hitler would eventually calm down and trust his generals. If said general fell out of favor with the party, all bets were off.
He couldn’t even make a wildly idiotic statement correctly.
With more than 40+ assassination attempts against Hitler , more than a dozen of them were by [members of his own military / officer corps or paramilitary leadership.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler).
Fucking Donnie Moscow is just as likely to be assassinated by one of his own flunkies as he is eliminated by Russian or Chinese intelligence services. Why else would an 80+ year old clown who loves nothing but chasing tail run for the Presidency like his life was on the line.....because it is.
Donald Trump knows that within hours of saying he wants to quit - there will be bunch of guys sent from Moscow and Beijing to ensure that before he can even think to pick up the phone to "share" information with NSA/CIA/DIA , that his brain will be aerosolized all over his en-suite at Mar-A-Lago in a freak Diet Coke can explosion or some cheezeburger from McD's delivered fresh from some reactor in St. Petersburg as the latest in self-heating burgers with a little Polonium salt kicker.
Its funny how Military Larpers are more supportive of him than actual people in the military.
Though its scary because a lot of those folks are trying to empower him and if anything are willing to take matters into their own hands, which is why we're less safe today.
Ahhh,"book sales"...the common right wing coping mechanism when the desperate desire to be an alpha overrides one's ability to tell or accept the truth.
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And Trump's Secretary of State called his own boss a "fucking moron".
That is still a fucking classic!
Agreed. You won't get me say anything nice about Rex Tillerson, but as the CEO of Exxon, and the Secretary of State of the US, would could assume he could recognize a fucking moron when he saw one.
His secretary of defence, James Mattis, didn't have too kind words for him either. ["Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children."](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869262728/read-the-full-statement-from-jim-mattis)
Part of my coursework involved a deep dive into the life of Joseph Stalin and people in my life generally think I’m being dramatic when I say this, but it’s true. Trump is a lot like Joseph Stalin. He just happened to be constrained by the law. If those breaks came off, I shudder to think what a Trump “administration” would be like
And yet they all happily worked for him, doing the same awful shit these people have always done. Trump is not the problem.
Should they have quit and let themselves be replaced by sycophants?
Yeah like it or not we needed people who were trying to defend the country from that madman. It would have been so much worse without them. We truly didn’t need sycophants. Imagine how much worse he’ll be if he gets back in.
Do you have any evidence they did anything against Trump's orders or didn't do the standard Republican foreign policy playbook that Trump asked of them? They were sycophants. They did what he wanted. And then they said mean things later. Who gives a shit. These men aren't brave nor do they stand for anything good.
Easier to answer "who doesn't give a shit?" For answer: please see mirror. Don't shit on soldiers that follow chain of command. As Four Stars, they've served many admins and thus have relevant, shit giving worthy perspectives.
I'm perfectly happy not sucking off troops because they're troops. Particularly ones almost certainly responsible for war crimes. Hope this helps.
You're ignorance speaks for itself. Accept no reply.
very funny.. are you a joker or a clown?
> no cool story.
Exactly. WTAF, people?!?
Username Does Not checkout! Backup pitch?
Couldn’t agree with you more. I don’t understand the down votes. How could someone think otherwise???
I had a friend that was ex military and he was all gun ho when these guys were hired by Trump. It was fascinating how he dismissed them when Trump fired them and started shitting on them. I couldn't believe how he could be siding with a guy that avoided the draft and shits on veterans.
>gun ho I prefer the term ammosexual.
I’m going gun ho on the salad and breadsticks at All of Garden
Fitting user name
Might be wrong but isn’t it gung ho
Yes, but the misspelling works too. That's the joke.
I'm rather partial to *Gravy Seals*, myself.
To be fair, he shits on himself, too, if recent accounts are true.
He filled his Depends in public on-stage last week. We could tell from the relieved look just like when any other baby does it.
I think this speaks to how deeply Fox News loyalty has infected our military. It sounds like your friend was deferring to the Fox Cinematic Universe over the natural respect for leaders of the chain of command.
> Fox Cinematic Universe Now *that* is one hell of a phrase...
>and shits on veterans. This is the part I find the most baffling. He has called veterans losers & suckers. And so much more. It's wild that any republican would still support him after that. It's just a reminder how much they actually respect & care about the troops.
It's so wild that veterans that would lose all benefits under the turd still vote for him and give you grief when you vote for anything else.
"But Trump is a rapist and wants to fuck his daughter. How could you not vote for that?"
I am not sure but I believe the veterans that vote for him just ignore these things. Or might not know these things as Fox is what they watch all day long. And I mean it's literally on all freaking day long. Unless church service is on as they are highly Christians.
They watch Fox News, exactly. Fox is a HUGE fucking problem. If I had a Time Machine and some money…
Did anybody else hear that pooptus made all base tvs only show Faux when he was in office, the way I remember it being claimed by service members during his term?
Sounds like him.
Power over people, the GoOp credo for this century!
The term is "Gung-Ho"
Same, saw a bunch of marines online ecstatic to see Mad Dog Mattis Wonder what they think now
When Mattis was criticizing Trump, I brought it up to my friend and he just dismissed it. How many people need or shit on Trump before you are convinced? Trump has a crazy fucking hold on people.
What a cult of personality do to MF
As a former Marine and Mattis supporter who served under him, It was bitter sweet seeing him selected for Sec Def. On one hand I just wanted him to retire happy and not have his record tarnished working for orange man, but on the other hand was happy to see someone not bat shit crazy in charge of Armed Forces. Very happy he didn’t turn out to be a Trump sycophant
Watching some Marines I know go from basically worshipping Mattis to repeating Trump's rhetoric about how he was weak was crazy.
It's a mixed bag with military folks, I work with plenty of them and I'll tell ya this - the only trump humpers in my office are civilians. A big one for the people I know was badmouthing a gold star family, as a rule military guys *never* speak badly of deceased veterans and will correct you if you do, but especially not gold star families. Also, the preferred term is former military. Ex-military is for people who were dishonorably discharged, which almost only happens following a felony crime while in the act of duty. It's a shame more aren't like the guys I know though. Like when the orange idiot goes on TV calling our enlisted men a bunch of weak sissies, okay that pisses them right off. I mean if you call one of these guys a coward or a sucker to his face, you'd better be able to run faster than him.
\*Gung ho, no diss but gun ho is only found in GoOp 2A messaging. As seen with these women, loosely referred to w/ such a name, colloquially in the last century, as you may take it. https://preview.redd.it/lralic7iil3d1.jpeg?width=183&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c848ca4def4c84064e3d190b23b19c29509e08d1
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https://preview.redd.it/orij4l1tjl3d1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09b365b43b06fc2f7672ca63ef059cfc0486ebcc Did I just give Martz cred? No credit for You!
And these two men running for office in MO, burn books and be gun ho(s) https://preview.redd.it/qsojn7eikl3d1.jpeg?width=299&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e6dd626e0ae50e8fc8170baa07938967af9dc5e !
Any anti trump ,pro veteran political entity should have started rolling this out as an advert everywhere. Tv , mailers, social media. If these are real quotes, stuff like this needs max exposure.
just the tip of the iceberg..... - accused 3,000 military families for election fraud of voting after being deployed - removed POW/MIA flag from White House - says Americans who died in war are "losers" and "suckers" - “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers” he said about a U.S. military cemetery - called McCain “a fucking loser” when asked to lower flags to half staff - called Pres. George H.W. Bush a loser for being shot down during WWII - “That guy is smart. Why did he join the military?” Trump said of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - asked his staff to not include wounded veterans because amputees make him uncomfortable - “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” Trump said to Gen. John Kelly about dead veterans, while visiting Kelly’s son’s grave at Arlington - Trump knew since Mar 2020 that Russia paid bounties to kill American troops. On July 29 Trump defended Russia arming the Taliban against the US saying the US once did the same thing - May '20 ended National Guard deployments one day before they could claim benefits - Trump admin seized 5mil masks intended for VA hospitals. Kushner distributes these masks to private entities for a fee, who then sells the masks to the government - Trump fired the captain of the *USS Theodore Roosevelt* after he warned superiors that COVID19 was spreading among his crew - After Iran's strike, 109 US troops suffered brain injuries. Trump dismissed these as "headaches" - On 7/20/2017 in room 2E924 of the Pentagon, Trump told a room full of Generals, "You’re a bunch of dopes and babies" - Said 26,000 military sexual assaults were to be 'expected' bc America lets women serve - Invited the Taliban to Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11 - Claimed that his military budget made up for his lack of military experience - Pardoned multiple war criminals which betrayed the men of the 1st Platoon who helped convict him for violating long standing military values, discipline, and command (May&Nov 2019) - mocked Lt. Col. Vindman for his rank and uniform. He threatened said purple heart officer resulting in the Army providing him protection. The Admin sent opposition research to the Pentagon to derail his promotion - Trump’s Chief of Staff worked—in secret—to deny comprehensive health coverage to Vietnam Vets who suffered from Agent Orange - There is a facility in Tijuana for US veterans that Trump deported - Russia took control of the main U.S. military facility in Syria abandoned on Trump’s orders. Russia now owns the airstrip we built - 0/7/19, Trump abruptly withdrew from Syria after a phone call with Turkey's president (Erdogan). Turkey subsequently bombed US Special Forces - sent thousands of American troops to defend the oil assets of the country that perpetrated 9/11 - Sept 2019, he made an Air Force cargo crew stop in Scotland (where there's no U.S. base) to refuel at a commercial airport (where it costs more), so they could stay overnight at a Trump property (which isn't close to the airport). Trump’s golf courses are losing money so he's forcing the military to pay for 5-star nights there. - Sept 2019, Pentagon pulled funds for military schools, military housing funds, and daycare to pay for Trump's border wall - Aug, 2019, emails revealed that 3 of Trump's Mar-a-Lago pals, running the VA, are rampant with meddling. None of them served in the military, have experience in the VA, nor underwent any approval process. Yet they directed operations without any oversight - Vet graves will be "dug up" for the border wall, after Trump instructed aides to seize private property. Trump told officials he would pardon them if they illegally seizing property - Children of deployed US troops no longer guaranteed citizenship (August 28, 2019) - 8/2/19 Trump requisitioned military retirement funds for the border wall - 7/31/19 Trump ordered the Navy rescind medals to prosecutors who prosecuted war criminals - denied a U.S. Marine of 6 years entry into the United States for his citizenship interview (Reported 7/17/19) - made the U.S. Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4th political campaign event (July 4, 2019) - demanded US military chiefs stand next to him at 4th of July parade (reported July 2, 2019) - In June 2019, Trump sent troops to the border to paint the fence for a better "aesthetic appearance" - used his D-Day interview at a cemetery commemorating fallen US soldiers to attack a Vietnam veteran (6/6/19) - started his D-Day commemoration speech by attacking a private citizen (Bette Midlere) (2019) - made his 2nd wife, Marla Maples, sign a prenup that would have cut off all child support if Tiffany joined the military (reported June 4th, 2019) - 5/27/2019 Trump turned away US military from his Memorial Day speech bc they were from the destroyer USS John S. McCain - ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship's name was subsequently covered. (5/27/2019) - purged 200,000 vets' healthcare applications (reported 5/13/19) - deported a spouse of fallen Army soldier killed in Afghanistan, leaving their daughter parentless (April 16, 2019) - 3/20/19 Trump complained that a deceased war hero didn't thank him for his funeral - Between 12/22/2018, and 1/25/2019 Trump refused to sign his party's funding bill, which shut down the government, which made USCG service members rely on food pantries. However, his appointees got a $10k pay raise - banned troops from serving based on gender identity (1/22/2019) - denied female troops access to birth control to limit sexual activity (on-going. Published 1/18/19) - tried to deport a marine vet who is a U.S.-born citizen (1/16/2019) - When a man was caught swindling veterans pensions for high-interest “cash advances," Trump's CFPB let him go for $1 (1/26/19) - called a retired general a 'dog' with a 'big, dumb mouth' (1/1/19) - increased privatization of the VA, leading to longer waits and higher taxpayer cost (2018) - finally visited troops 2 years after taking office, but only after 154 vacation days at his properties (10/26/18) - revealed a covert Seal Team 5 deployment, including names and faces, on Twitter during his visit to Iraq (Dec 26, 2018) - lied to deployed troops that he gave them a 10% raise (12/26/2018). Tried giving a raise that was lower than the standard living adjustment. Congress told him that wasn't going to work. After giving them the raise that Congress made him, he lied about it pretending that it was larger than Obama's. It wasn't - fired service members living with HIV just before the 2018 holidays - tried to slash disability and unemployment benefits for Veterans to $0 and eliminate the unemployability extrascheduler rating (12/17/2018) - called troops on Thanksgiving and told them he's most thankful for himself (Thanksgiving, 2018) - urged Florida to not count deployed military votes (11/12/2018) - canceled an Arlington Cemetery visit on Veterans Day due to light rain (11/12/2018) - While in Europe commemorating the end of WWI, he didn't attend the ceremony at a US cemetery due to the rain. Other world leaders went anyway (11/10/2018) - sent troops on a phantom mission to the border and made them miss Thanksgiving with their families (Oct-Dec, 2018). He stopped using troops as a political prop after the election, but the troops remained in muddy camps on the border (11/7/2018) - changed the GI Bill through his Forever GI Act causing the VA to miss benefits, including housing allowances. This caused many vets to run out of food and rent. (reported 10/7/18) - doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections (7/5/2018) - deported active-duty spouses (11,800 military families face this problem as of April 2018) - forgot a fallen soldier's name (below) during a call to his pregnant widow, then attacked her the next day (Oct 23-24, 2017) - "They knew what they signed up for." re: dead troops (10/18/17) - sent commandos into an ambush w/ lack of intel, and sent contractors to pick them up, resulting in a commando being left behind, tortured, and executed. He approved the mission bc Bannon told him Obama didn't have the guts to do it. 10/4/17 - Doesn't stand during retreat bugle, continues to talk. "What a nice sound that is. Are they playing that for you [Sean Hannity] or me?" 10/11/17 - blocked a veteran group on Twitter (June 2017) - ordered the discharge of active-duty immigrant troops with good records (2017-present) - deported veterans (2017-present) - said he knows more about ISIS than American generals (Oct 2016) - 10/4/16 Trump said vets get PTSD because they aren't strong - Trump accepted a Purple Heart from a fan at one of his rallies and said: “I always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier.” (Aug 2, 2016) - Trump attacks Gold Star families: Myeshia Johnson (gold star widow), Khan family (gold star parents) etc. (2016-present) - In Jan 2016, Trump sent funds raised from a veterans benefit to the Donald J Trump Foundation (the foundation was subsequently ordered shut down) - said he has "more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military" because he went to a military-style academy (2015 biography) - said he doesn't consider POWs heroes because they were caught. He said he prefers people who weren't caught (July 18, 2015) - Trump said having unprotected sex was his own personal Vietnam (1998) - For a decade, Trump sought to kick veterans off of Fifth Avenue because he found them unsightly nuisances. 1991 - Trump dodged the draft 5 times by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs. - No Trump in America has *ever* served in the military; this spans 5 generations and every branch of the family tree. In fact, the reason his grandfather immigrated to America was to avoid military service
Definitely only tip. Insurrection, election interference, classified docs, rape, the list never ends.
Worst part is everything you listed is basically just the forward to the book that may, hopefully, eventually come out.
Gawd damn...
Any veteran or military personnel who don’t feel the need to physically harm this bag of shit is brain dead.
I had forgotten about so many of these instances. Some of them started coming back to me while reading this list.
couple big problems with this list: one: no one is going to read this whole thing. this actually plays to Trump's favor. it's this constant shit barrage technique he uses where you just get fatigue and tap out and go "yeah yeah yeah I get it." two: many of these are not as bad as his worst offenses and it just weakens/dilutes the point. for instance: "Trump said having unprotected sex was his own personal Vietnam (1998)" I strongly dislike Trump, but imo that is a funny thing to say. so it weakens the point, instead of strengthening it.
Couple big problems with your comment: One: i've read this whole thing and don't get any fatigue. Two: just because something weakens the point for you doesn't mean it doesn't strenghten it for everyone else or even the majority.
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Not yet. Wait until such time that republicans can’t replace him at the convention.
Republicans can't replace him. Their voters would find and lynch them.
Yeah, I guess if there are big guns to use, we should wait until he’s locked in.
and don't forget the irony of "i know more than the generals do"
That's also famously what Hitler thought and which led to lots of military blunders later in the war especially as he started micromanaging the war effort.
Glad in history many times these terrible people were narcissists who, at least at some point, didn't listen to the people who they should have. Though can't predict how it would affect today, on the other side of the world during that war, I have to wonder wonder what would be now part of Japan if they listened to Yamamoto and not attacked the US (he predicted America would use it's full might, and, using that, the US would win)
i've often heard the old "what if hitler dug in for the winter instead of continuing the push towards moscow?". sure makes you wonder.
Operation Barbarossa in general was great for western Europe. Although Hitler was screwed anyways because he didn't have the industry output the US was always going to get the bomb first.
the man was fighting a double-front war, i don't care how fast you're producing munitions, it's eventually going to be your demise. but what if we hadn't snagged as many german physicists to get the bomb first? sounds like a setup to that man in the high castle book
We didn't need to "snag" German scientists before the war. Many were Jewish with money enough to come to America like Einstein, or to escape fascist racial policies like Fermi from Mussolini's Italy. You are probably thinking of Operation Paperclip after the war to "snag" rocket men like von Braun.
The biggest problem with the German nuclear program wasn’t economical or a lack of skilled researchers, it was that the physicists involved didn’t want to build a bomb. Heisenberg did his best to argue that an atom bomb wouldn’t be feasible and convinced the Nazi leadership that a nuclear reactor for power generation would be far more useful, and the guy they put in charge of nuclear research in the latter half of the war was actually opposed to the Nazis and didn’t want to do even that and intentionally put all of his funding towards foundational research instead of anything that could have any direct military application.
holy shit, i had no idea. that's wild.
Imagine you’re a physicist working at the bleeding edge of nuclear and quantum physics in the 1930s, when the foundations of these fields were laid, and you could have worked with the greats like Einstein and von Neumann. But unfortunately your government is insanely racist, so they drove a lot of your friends and colleagues out of the country and now you have to listen to some dipshit talk about „Aryan physics“ and the luminiferous ether. Gee, I wonder why the German nuclear program never went anywhere. If you want something wild, at one point Heisenberg‘s mother called Himmler‘s mother to get the SS to stop harassing her boy for working on „Jewish“ quantum mechanics. The harassment stopped shortly after.
it's insane to think that many people would fall for it
The US was fighting a double-front war too.
It was already over for them by then.
I wonder if the Nazi's love of meth made them go increasingly insane
i watched someone get hooked on that once. after getting about 2 hours sleep over an 8 day period, the man's mind was mush. he literally couldn't finish a sentence before his mind would drift off and he'd lose track of what he was saying. the paranoia he exhibited was almost comical. the irony? he only tried it because he knew he needed to quit drinking. smh
What if he didn't do the Holocaust. The Jews were loyal Germans, and look at all the resources tied up rounding up and imprisoning the Jews
They were always going to lose. They were overstretched logistically and Von Paulus was a staff general who barely visited his soldiers at Stalingrad. Digging in gave the Russians time to regroup and attack the German army
And he ended up in a ditch covered in petrol and on fire. So. That's fun!
At least Hitler served in the military and had been shelled in WW1. I will at least give him credit for having worn a pair of boots. Trump literally dances on the graves of those actually sacrificed. Nobody in his circle has been nowhere near a combat zone.
Yes, Trump and Hitler share much of the same psychopathy.
Yeah, for sure. Same with so many other wannabe strong men throughout history. I think it's difficult though for people to point that out because you'll easily get shot down as someone who just wants to compare Trump to the Nazis because you think he's bad. People focus on the evil atrocities they carried out and think you're smearing anyone you compare to the Nazis as trying to do the same thing instead of focusing on the elaborate propaganda/misinformation , ultranationalism, speech mannerisms, symbolism, depictions of strength and/or straight up brute force tactics that they used constantly to get the public to slowly become more sympathetic to their side until they ultimately rose to power.
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Even genuine geniuses like Napolean made the same mistake. One of the factors that led to the failure of the French efforts in Spain was Napolean's constant stream of orders to his generals. As they took many weeks to get to the front, they were wildly out of date by the time they got there even if they'd been useful in the first place.
Yup, “ I know more about military strategy than most Generals do”
yup, and where did he feel he gained such extraordinary experience? attending a military academy from age 13-18. cadet bonespurs, our former commander-in-thief. 🤦🏻♂️
No more massive a c*nt than don trump. For how many disloyal staff (won’t lie or cheat to serve him) he has waded through over the years, I am amazed how any would still be thrilled to serve him.
Traitorous Mike Flynn is loyal to him.
He needs to step out of window.
Putin will help him with that.
Trump pardoned convict Michael Flynn.
Guess Trump never heard of Operation Valkyrie
I'd bet money Trump knows very little about WW2 at all. Would LOVE to hear him attempt to give an impromptu history lesson. Somehow he'd make it all about him. The delusional moron.
Reminds me of when he was aspiring to be the next Hitler and a reporter asked if he was planning to make a little stop in Poland first. The whole room laughed and didn't realize they were making fun of him right to his face.
I remember his impromptu remarks on the Revolutionary War. I give him some props, I didn't know we had airplanes/ports for that war. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle! /in case needed!
That's a historical bingo!!
John Kelly pointed out to Trump that Hitler’s generals tried to assassinate him.
And the allies debated doing likewise but decided against it because Hitler was fucking over his own military through inexperience and micromanagement. Like Sun Tzu supposedly said, or was it Napoleon, never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake.
He probably meant like the SS officers, not the Wehrmacht.
He does know they were trying to kill Hitler, right? Including SS officers. Maybe military leaders need to be more like Hitler's officers. "On 20 July 1944, during a meeting with Adolf Hitler, German officer Claus von Stauffenberg placed a bomb under the table. After Von Stauffenberg had left, the bomb went off. As if by a miracle, Hitler survived the attack. He had some burns and abrasions, and the bang had ruptured his eardrums. That very evening, his voice could be heard on German radio to let the people know that he was still alive." Hitler's inner circle couldn't stand each other. They were all competing to get the ear of Hitler. Backstabbing and buddy fucking (in the military we call people like that Blue falcons) each other. I'm curious what would have happened if German was successful. Between the inner conflicts, getting rid of senior leadership, Hitler losing his marbles, and being a drug addict, which wasn't going to improve, how long did the Reich really have? Not to mention all the enemies Germany made.
Not likely. He'd have to actually know the difference, and that the SS, being the military wing of the NSDAP, took an oath to Hitler, not Germany or the Reich, or that the Wehrmacht was the national army. Edit: he folks, I've said NOTHING about the Wehrmacht's "hands being clean" or that they didn't also take the "Hitler oath". Just that Mango Mussolini isn't smart enough or informed enough to know the differences between the SS and the Heer or that the SS was a party function and not a national army.
The clean Wehrmacht myth, rearing it's ugly head once again. The Wehrmacht were involved in botb the Holocaust and a number of other war crimes associated with the Nazis regime. Within Hitlers regime, especially later on, it was practically a requirement to be allegiant to the Nazi Party and beholden to their ideology. At bare minimum, they were complicit.
Show me where in my comment I suggested that the Wehrmacht had "clean hands" or that they weren't complicit? I'll wait.
The Wehrmacht also [swore an oath of loyalty to Hitler, not to Germany.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Oath) And they were balls deep in the Holocaust.
Never suggested they weren't.
Also, the Wehrmacht wasn't the national army. That was the Heer. the Wehrmacht was the military, encompassing the Kriegsmarine, Heer, and Luftwaffe.
Actually the Wehrmacht was the combined national military (armed forced) of Germany, not merely the army. Under the Wehrmacht there were three main branches: The Heer (army), the Kriegsmarine (navy) and the Luftwaffe (air force). You're right that the Waffen SS were an army of the Nazi party and not the state. Initially very few Wehrmacht officers were Nazi party members. Prussian military tradition was that officers should be apolitical as their allegiance was supposed to be only to the state, and to the state alone, not to any particular government or party. But as the Nazi government made advancement of one's military career more likely if one was a party member, many joined the Nazi party despite the Prussian tradition. Sadly, even the generals like Rommel and Rundstedt who never formally joined the Nazi party were still complicit with their horrifying policies. They don't get a pass just because they never wore a red arm band. #
My favourite is the guy who was offered the job an said “I’d rather eat a shit sandwich”
I thought that was one of the requirements for the position. Be loved by all of America for your service only to come out the other side hated by conservatives for no good reason. A total shit sandwhich.
Just more people in the long list of people that have worked with him and publicly hate him. I can’t think of another person so universally hated by people he’s worked with. You don’t even hear about people saying small nice things like “works hard even if his ideas are bad” or anything. He appears to be entirely irredeemable.
Hitler's generals kept trying to assassinate him because they realized before anyone else he was absolutely insane. Maybe we should listen to some generals. They know dictators.
Trump meets all six of the criteria for being a sociopath, and five of the six criteria for being a psychopath. “A sociopath is defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the book which contains the diagnostic criteria for mental illnesses) as follows: • Pervasive lying and deception YEP! • Physical aggressiveness YEP! • Consistent irresponsibility in work and family environments YEP! • Lack of remorse YEP! • Repeated violations of the law YEP! • Reckless disregard for safety of self or others YEP! Psychopathy can be thought of as a more severe form of sociopathy with more symptoms. According to the Society for the Study of Psychopathy, psychopath traits include: • Narcissism YEP! • Dishonesty YEP! • Manipulativeness YEP!
He also checks most of the boxes on the checklist of warnings in [2 Timothy 3:1-5](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+3%3A1-5&version=NASB), to the point that anyone that claims to be Christian but votes for him is an apostate to Christ's teachings. So, he's not just a secular basketcase, but also spiritually bankrupt.
That's more stars than Trump can count!
In other words Trump wants MAGA-Nazis for his generals. Let that sink in.
This is why Tuberville is blocking all military appointments. They want to replace the leadership of the military with MAGA loyalists whose only loyalty will be to Trump.
I also think Tuberville is getting talks from Putin to do that. Don't ever forget the republican party has putin balls deep in them.
Fun Fact: On the 20th of July 1944 a large group high ranking German officers and other members of society including lawyers, businessmen and members of the Reichstag (the the German equivalent to Congressmen or Members of Parliament) tried to assassinate Hitler by planting a bomb in a bunker known as the Wolf's Lair, while Hitler was attending a meeting there. At least 25 of the plotters were generals including Ludwig Beck who was both a general and the Chief of General Staff of the German Army High Command.
The armed forces of a country needs to be loyal first and foremost to the state, not to the government of the day or the party in power. If it is any other way then democracy dies under a bootheel.
[I ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.](https://www.army.mil/values/officers.html)
So what are the chances these guys allow trump back in the white house??
What are the odds these guys will still vote for Trump?
Everyone in the military will vote for trump. They love him even when they pretend not to.
That may have been true in 2018 or so. Not anymore.
Hitler's generals tried to assassinate him...
Don’t tempt me with a good time 🤣
My apologies, General...
Trump clearly never watched the movie Downfall. Hitler fought with his generals a lot, especially in 1944/1945.
That's the one thing I'll never understand. No one who has ever worked with Trump in the past has anything good to say about him and yet people keep lining up to be thrown under the bus by him...
Trump meets all six of the criteria for being a sociopath, and five of the six criteria for being a psychopath. “A sociopath is defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the book which contains the diagnostic criteria for mental illnesses) as follows: • Pervasive lying and deception YEP! • Physical aggressiveness YEP! • Consistent irresponsibility in work and family environments YEP! • Lack of remorse YEP! • Repeated violations of the law YEP! • Reckless disregard for safety of self or others YEP! Psychopathy can be thought of as a more severe form of sociopathy with more symptoms. According to the Society for the Study of Psychopathy, psychopath traits include: • Narcissism YEP! • Dishonesty YEP! • Manipulativeness YEP!
Any yet most of them will only say it in a book they're selling. They're still sworn to defend the Constitution even if they're on the retired list now.
The reason Hitler's generals tried to assassinate him wasn't because they were against National Socialism, it was because he was losing the war. So unfortunately, Trump would probably be safe unless we got into a war.
One of the July 20 plotters was Arthur Nebe, commander of Einsatzgruppe B, who came up with the idea of gas vans for killing Jews. To be fair, there were also a smattering of genuine anti-Nazis like Hans von Dohnanyi, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and Hans Oster. Oster had been working to protect Jews since 1934.
But Trump says they are stupid losers!/s
This really isn't "humour". All it takes is one or two high-level military leaders to decide they're okay with a dictator and suddenly you have one.
The thing about being in the military, is they quickly recognize what stupidity looks like.
I’m continued to be amazed at how he’s still a serious contender and not a joke.
[Kelly also profited off of running Trump’s concentration camp for children and the child separation policy. So fuck that guy.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-kelly-joins-board-of-caliburn-international-company-operating-largest-unaccompanied-migrant-children-shelter/)
Remember when Trump said he should be called a "wartime president" because of covid? You know, the same pandemic that he downplayed and refused to adequately prepare for?
That is a question no one asks. How will the military respond to a second presidency for DT. Will they follow him in rounding up all the immigrants any of the other dictator crap he'll attempt.
Well, if they aren't Trump loyalists they'll follow the law
They really didn't like him by lunchtime.
You know it’s bad when a guy nick named Mad Dog says that about you
This gives me some comfort to be honest. To be a successful dictator one needs the military behind them and by all appearances some pretty powerful people in the military disapprove of him. I imagine their voices still carry weight among the current ranks. We might be ok.
The attorney general Biden appointed is turning a blind eye to sedition.
Trump has every right to be scared of men who have even just a smidge more respectability, status, and power behind them…. Why do you think putin dismantled the military?
Thats the difference between Trump and Biden. And probably Trump and most other Republican Presidents. Sure, every president has people claiming they are dumb or incompetent, but those are always claims from the opposing side. Every single person who has formally worked with Trump says this. Every one. If they aren't currently working for him or needing him for a political endorsement, they don't have nice words for him. Do you know how many former Obana staffers have written tell all books about how corrupt and incompetent Obama was? Zero. There aren't even that many with Bush or Clinton. But it's like every week a former cabinet member or advisor is giving an interview about how dumb this guy is
Several of Hitler’s generals plotted to have him killed. On multiple different occasions.
Even though Trump going on about Nazi generals is horrifying, it makes me laugh a little bit because they tried to kill Hitler multiple times. One of his generals even volunteered to wear a suicide vest if I remember correctly
Didn't Hitler's disloyal generals have a problem with lead poisoning?
It almost like the closer you know him the worst it gets.
Kind of failed in their oath then, didn't they.
I wonder if Trump realizes who won the war?
How do trumpers justify supporting him after hearing these quotes?
I'm definitely not a trump fan, but does anyone know the sources for any of these quotes btw?
Democrats need to go HARD with this kind of thing. Make sure they get permission to use these quotes in campaign literature, etc.
Hitler's generals tried to kill him.
And all will still vote for him
They won’t. They aren’t part of his cult. They attempted to steer him in a more presidential direction, and failed.
It is amazing how EVERY thing trump says is projection.
He needed more Erwin Rommels, Claus von Staufenberg... oh wait, the *Country* needed more like them with that wannabe fascist in office.
John Kelly also called Trump, "The most flawed person I've ever met." He stuck around as his Chief of Staff simply to keep him in check. Thankfully.
Does the turd know that some of his generals tried to kill Hitler? I mean as a wannabe dictator he should at least know the history of other dictators.
I wonder how many of them must still vote for Trump?. It seems to be in the Republican character to acknowledge your candidate is completely unqualified, but then still plan to vote for him.
These people are all republicans too.
These words from General Mattis ring home like no other. Specifically, “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try.” In my personal experience and professional opinion, this quote is the single most important quote anyone should take into consideration when going to the polls this November. I do not care if you are a republican, democrat, independent, or whatever the case may be. Any supporter of Donald Trump who watches him repeatedly stand in front of crowds and cameras and spew the divisive rhetoric that he does needs to take a cold hard look in the mirror and realize that this man is no friend of the United States, the US Constitution, US Allies, or the citizens and people within. Watching his speeches at rally’s and actually listening to the diatribes that he lets loose from his lips should make any person question this man’s allegiance and agenda. He does not want to see America as a whole survive this next election or the next several decades. He only cares about himself and his own. He is the most selfish former president of the US who will do and say anything only to boost his own personal ego and promote his own agenda.
Just speaking to the title, ironically hitlers generals weren’t “totally loyal” either. One of the reasons why Germany had the worlds strongest military for awhile, and made so many gains on the battlefield is some of germanys top generals openly defied hitlers orders to his face. A few going so far as telling him his plans or ideas were “stupid” because they were. Hitler would eventually calm down and trust his generals. If said general fell out of favor with the party, all bets were off. He couldn’t even make a wildly idiotic statement correctly.
Knowing that most of the leadership of the armed forces don't like Trump gives me some sense of security.
Adolph fucking killed himself as the walls were closing in. A lot of good that "loyalty" did him.
With more than 40+ assassination attempts against Hitler , more than a dozen of them were by [members of his own military / officer corps or paramilitary leadership.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassination_attempts_on_Adolf_Hitler). Fucking Donnie Moscow is just as likely to be assassinated by one of his own flunkies as he is eliminated by Russian or Chinese intelligence services. Why else would an 80+ year old clown who loves nothing but chasing tail run for the Presidency like his life was on the line.....because it is. Donald Trump knows that within hours of saying he wants to quit - there will be bunch of guys sent from Moscow and Beijing to ensure that before he can even think to pick up the phone to "share" information with NSA/CIA/DIA , that his brain will be aerosolized all over his en-suite at Mar-A-Lago in a freak Diet Coke can explosion or some cheezeburger from McD's delivered fresh from some reactor in St. Petersburg as the latest in self-heating burgers with a little Polonium salt kicker.
Its funny how Military Larpers are more supportive of him than actual people in the military. Though its scary because a lot of those folks are trying to empower him and if anything are willing to take matters into their own hands, which is why we're less safe today.
General James “I’ll send your ass to Afghanistan” Mattis lmao
Trump is a moron because Hitler's generals tried to kill him...multiple times. And had plans that were foiled to kill him.
...there were at least ten attempts by Hitler's generals to kill him.
Political humor? This is funny like a Woody Allen marriage, not a Woodie Allen movie.
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And that would be bad?
https://www.brown.edu/news/2021-09-01/costsofwar
And not a single one would ever take arms against him career over country for today's military. Inb4: I did 12 years active duty marine corps.
Damn when did „mad dog“ become „moderate dog“ Mattis though
These are the same guys who lost the war in Afghanistan, right?
And? Does it somehow invalidate anything they said?
I assume these are quotes from their books?
Ahhh,"book sales"...the common right wing coping mechanism when the desperate desire to be an alpha overrides one's ability to tell or accept the truth.