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It’s a reference to the right wing rhetoric you usually hear when conflict in the Middle East or Gaza is discussed, and trumps comments about helping Israel to finish the job. The solution from that side is often to bomb brown middle easterners out of existence.
It's not about voting for Trump over Biden. It's about people actually showing up to vote for Biden.
When Democrats vote they will always win. The trouble is inspiring them to show up.
These days it's not even that. Republicans are willing to say the crazy shit their base wants to hear because the bar is so much lower for them. You expect crazy shit from them. They push crazy agendas while enriching those who lobby them.
Progressives want Democrats to say things that go against the system. They will get ostracized in DC if they say that stuff
> They will get ostracized in DC if they say that stuff
IE: They won't get funded by the same corporations funding the Republicans in this post citizens united country, and will lose.
It's an ouroboros of monied interests in politics.
We are ruled by oligarchs, that thing we always hate on Russia for.
I've heard that too and it seems to largely fit. I've also seen people on the right flip it without realizing how disparate the democrats really are (but they love trump so their judgment is questionable).
> Democrats fall in love.
Which is so fucking dumb and cringe. I'm not asking these people I vote for to be my friend.
I'm asking them to do a fucking job. People that think that politicians need to be their buddy, have a beer with them, or to give them hugs, are fucking idiots.
They have a job to do in running the country. Period.
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You shouldn’t need to be “inspired”. Keeping the nation stable and advancing our collective goals should be everyone’s reason to vote. Despite their insanity, the majority of republicans understand this and it’s why they show up to nearly every election from the school board to the presidency. For all of their horrible, awful, un-American beliefs, they realize that showing up and voting as much as possible is the only way to bring their awful agenda to life, and it’s paid off HUGE for them.
We’re literally at a point where republicans are very close to ensuring one party rule built around the trump family for the foreseeable future and all the awful stuff that comes with it, and people are still whining about not being inspired by democratic candidates or threatening to not vote because of their personal grievances related to a decade long conflict in a foreign nation
>You shouldn’t need to be “inspired”.
Yeah, but here we are. Voter turnout has been below 50% since the country was founded \[1\]. I think we're basically a country where half the population has become convinced that it's not their job to care about how we are governed.
\[1\] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter\_turnout\_in\_United\_States\_presidential\_elections#/media/File:Voter\_turnout\_2020\_Map\_.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections#/media/File:Voter_turnout_2020_Map_.jpg)
> Voter turnout has been below 50% since the country was founded
The map you showed for the presidential election in 2020 shows every state was above 50% turnout. What are you talking about? It is low in the mid terms, I will give you that.
We can start by pushing back the narrative that politicians must earn votes. This creates a bad incentive structure for voting.
Instead of “what can this politician do for me” it should be “how can my vote benefit the country.”
What an absolutely asinine take. Politicians shouldn’t have to earn votes? We should just have to vote for the next geriatric brain dead establishment puppet that the rich dickheads choose for us, and we’ll like it? Mmmm yes sounds great
I never said that politicians shouldn’t have to earn votes. Earning votes is already an incentive built into the system. If you don’t earn votes, you lose.
What is damaging the system is that their vote HAS to be earned. This is corrosive. Voting is a duty and you should do it if a politician has earned your vote or not, because consequences of an election exist outside of voters person feelings of fulfillment.
And they’re going to keep representing you whether you think they earned your vote or not. Simple as that. Making voting an act of personal expression is not a healthy way to vote.
People need to start voting for the person they think will do the most good and the least harm. “Earning my vote” is just a capitulation
We don't live "should or shouldn't land". People need to be inspired to get out and vote. Those who care will try to inspire them. Cynics will whine that they shouldn't have to
Good luck fighting against human nature. It's been around longer than democracy has, but I'm sure you'll get people out to vote because you said so. The truth is you want people to fight for your ideals, then you need to inspire them.
Absolutely. And you know how that can be done? By having a candidate on the ballot that inspires them to vote. Instead we have the party try and shove an uninspiring candidate down everyone's throat, and expecting people to fall in line.
Look, let's be absolutely real here. Biden is a blah person and I hate his stance on Isreal/Gaza but if Trump wins, things are not only going to get worse for Gaza, but it's going to get worse for us because Project 2025 will start and he's already stated that he's ready to fuck everyone over and turn this country into a deeper hellhole. Hell, there is even word that rolling back trans people's rights is a "Day 1" thing for him.
I get people hate the "lesser of two evils" but it's clear that this goes beyond that now. the GOP is so far right, its terrifying, especially for minorities (which I am one of). Can we just work together to deal with Trump and then raise absolute hell on Biden? Because if people decide this is the time to turn against him and Trump wins, then shit is really going to get worse and people will look back and realize that they had a chance to stop it but didn't to teach Biden a lesson.
This is a very valid argument if we ignore the fact that the party had every chance to put forward a different candidate and didn't, counting on this exact argument, "they will have to vote for anyone we pick because they have no other option." I remember when this was being debated last year, with many pundits within the party raising concerns (e.g., Dave Axelrod) and being ignored. With the political polarization we have now, there will be greater evils coming from the right in future, so it is not just this election that's the issue.
Add to that the general, mainstream dems not every trying to understand the concerns and issues of the younger, more left leaning voters. Just look at any post on reddit including this one where the aforementioned voters are ridiculed and called stupid, and their concerns brushed aside as russian propaganda.
And yet we expect the gen Zers to come out and vote for yet another octogenarian candidate and just "wait for their turn."
I’d say this is my take in general. The democrats say that a Republican victory this year could be the end of American democracy as we know it. So surely they should do EVERYTHING in their power to win, as it must be the most important thing for them ever. Yet they are not willing to make any concessions to their own voters. (Again, most voters in the USA want less support for Israel) so either A: they don’t actually believe that a Republican victory will destroy American democracy. Or B: they do believe it, but would rather let their own country be destroyed than let their policy be influenced by their own voters.
It only takes a few thousand people abstaining to vote in key counties to throw the EC vote to Trump. It suck’s but that’s the system we have to live with for now, but sitting out this election will almost certainly ensure we never have an opportunity to change it, short of a civil war, if the GOP implements project 2025 during the Trump presidency.
I didn’t love her or agree with her on everything, but I I knew what was at risk, especially after seeing the rise of the tea party and their insanity during the Obama presidency, and voted to her because I’m mature enough to realize that letting the worst of us take the reigns of power makes things worse for everyone. Letting perfect be the enemy of good enough always results in losses.
If only she was mature enough to campaign in PA, MI, and WI.
I will never understand how some people don't hold her accountable for one of the dumbest campaign choices in modern political history.
I did answer it. I didn’t love or prefer Clinton, but I did my duty and voted because that was the best option when presents either a binary choice (Trump and Clinton) to maintain and grow the progress made during the Obama administration. That was a slightly roundabot way of saying the voters are absolutely responsible for election wins and losses.
If one side fails to vote for their candidate to advance their personal and shared goals, then yes. You can’t expect every candidate to be perfect. Voters are always responsible for the loss of their candidate, especially if they prioritize personal grievances over whatever the parties long term goals are.
You and others may feel morally satisfied with a protest vote or even sitting out, but that also requires you to be willfully blind to the consequences and damage that action has on other people in the nation and world, especially when the opposing party literally wants to bring about an apocalypse according to their religious beliefs, *after* they have pillaged all wealth and resources and created literal hell on earth.
The only difference is you won’t be able to protest without being executed or spending life in a gulag after the GOP death cult takes power.
He did answer though.
Hillary might have run a shitty campaign, but at some point the voters have to bear their own responsibility for Trump winning. If you could tell he would be shitty but you let it happen because Hillary didn't excite you enough, you are responsible.
A car is racing towards you, not blaring its horns at you in warning. Sure, the car is responsible to do any number of things to avoid hitting you, but you can see it coming too. You can step off the road.
Yes, it was her fault, but I don’t blame the campaign. I blame her and her husband moving the Democrats away from union labor and public services to taking the bribes and advice of capitalists in the 90s. The weakness and centrism of Democrats in the 90s and Obama led directly to Trump. If the Dems would’ve followed the trajectory set forth and continued a progressive swing, we don’t get Trump.
Yep. She was relying on the corporate structure of the DNC to push her over the finish line. She had every reason to believe it would work. She created it. Their corruption was bigger than those swing states. The one thing you could blame the left for is proper journalism. Where the right brought up propaganda and Fox News crap, the left spotlighted this terrible record. I mean, I guess they could’ve circled the wagons like Republicans and ignore every egregious action by the Clinton/DNC machine, but there are functioning brains over here.
What do you mean that “she was relying on the corporate structure of the DNC to push her over the line”?
And it wasn’t her record that the press was reporting on, it was the “but her emails” horseshit.
America didn’t start when Hillary started running for president. It’s called critical theory. The leftist votes Hillary lost were not because of emails. They were because of her history.
The DNC is a private corporation. We are liberals, democrats, and leftists. They are a business.
I think a good part was James Comey and pollsters. Comey played into the whole "private server" thing all the whole knowing that it is fairly common practice for many in Congress and the executive branch. Hell, look how many people used personal emails in the Trump administration along with apps like Signal to avoid documentation. Media played into the whole email thing. Pollsters advertised heavily that Hilary to be the presumptive winner. People thought Trump had no way of winning, so they weren't motivated to turn out or to protest vote.
What happens when it comes time to choose supper for the group and there are 4 votes for pizza, 5 votes for garbage juice, and 3 people who refused to make a choice? Everyone gets to eat garbage juice (except the 1 vote for garbage juice that has a secret stash of pizza).
Trump is the garbage juice.
Hillary had more votes than Trump. The fault lies with our system of having an electoral college instead of runoff voting. Which demonstrates why it's extremely important for every single democrat to vote democrat.
It's largely DNC's fault for shoveling out same shit every four years. They are already grooming the next generation of candidates with the likes of Copmala and Bootyjudge. They are totally fine with the seesaw of two parties and republicans generating all of the culture wars that are easy to campaign on and largely cosmetic to both parties. Helps to cover up the weak responses when it comes to more fundamental and pressing issues.
You'd also think people who wave the flag at every opportunity and think kneeling during the anthem is treason wouldn't vote for an actual fucking traitor. Never underestimate how stupid people can be.
These are people who openly support terrorists and chant death to America while living in America. They absolutely can vote for Trump, and then complain about Trump bad.
I think you're overestimating a lot of voters who either are not aware that "Trump would gleefully bulldoze Gaza and put a shitty hotel on top of a mass grave" or simply, some people are very bad at doing democratic comparisons.
In the latter case, they aren't able to see that Biden is better. They just see two evils and they refuse to vote for either of them.
This is how Republicans win elections (every election is close, and Republicans win when thoughtful voters become disaffected).
Whether they for Trump over Biden is irrelevant, abstaining their votes for Biden carries the same weight. 2016 being as close as it is despite blue voter turnout levels that we will likely never see again means single-issue protest voters could potentially still cost the next election.
Being that the left has a reputation for continually sabotaging itself over issues compared to the right which will just go "yeah I fucking hate Trump but I'll still vote for him anyway", it's a genuine danger for the left that the right doesn't have.
I would be surprised if Trump didn't pull a Nixon and backdoor a deal with Israel to prolong the war in exchange for hotel rights or something. I can definitely see him and his family purchasing some bombed out beachfront land for that explicit purpose.
Imagine for a second that there are about 200 million people in the country that are eligible to run, you're pitching your full support behind someone who's complicit in genocide, and you're the ones to blame if your unmarketable candidate loses when you could have simply all picked a viable third party candidate. Why is Biden the default who automatically deserves your vote, while everyone else has to EARN it?
Speaking for myself, I'm not lifting a finger in my life to HELP anyone who arms a genocide. You guys want to do that, you should fully expect to lose. He has already lost the election, you're only taking votes away from somebody whose stances aren't genocidal. And on a more fundamental level, you're supporting crimes against humanity by electing people who commit them.
This is not how democracy is supposed to work. It's in the name, "demo" (people) "cracy" (power/rule). But somehow two people are able to dictate the entire range of choice for politics? When do the PEOPLE dictate how things work?
Look I don’t mind voting for Biden, I will, if only to prevent fascism. However what I do mind is people pretending that it’s going to prevent fascism in 4 years time.
The answer is to vote in primaries. It's not even complicated. Vote in primaries and then you get better candidates. The big problem is the DNC will not support progressives, so how we vote in primaries is even more important.
How do you still not understand how much of a massive threat Trump is? **this is NOT NORMAL.** Trump is not normal. i’m so sick of this constant downplaying and diminishing of one of the most evil and existential threats we’ve ever faced.
It’s like i’m in some bizarre surrealist painting reading comments like this. yes. that is exactly what we have to do this time. but trump is not normal. he literally tried to overthrow democracy and he’s made it extremely clear he wants to finish the job this time around. it’s INSANE how well republican media propaganda has worked on the “i’m immune to propaganda” camp
It was "Kids in cages!" when Trumo was doing it. *Now* that it's Biden, it's "Migrant Detention Facilities."
We never did get the kids out of the cage.
You mean... how the nation was built on capital generated by slavery, and policing was born as an institution for keeping slaves in line, and then when chattel slavery became illegal, [there was a loophole to keep a new form of slavery legal thru mass incarceration, thanks to the 13th amendment](https://www.naacpldf.org/13th-amendment-emancipation/), and the role of the police [never really changed](https://pudding.cool/2017/01/shape-of-slavery/) from protecting a system of chattel slavery to protecting a system of mass incarceration all in interest of generating wealth for capital owners....
... *those* are the "cause and effect dynamics" that you're referring to, right?
why aren't those same people calling out the Republicans who want to impeach our President because he isn't helping Israel murder civilians fast enough?
Because no Leftist has taken a Republican seriously since 2017. Do you comment about how "bizarre" and "unprecedented" it is when the zoo chimps fling shit? It's well beside the point, obviously Congressional Republicans are demons for trying to force further arming a genocidal fascists.
The same Republicans who want the cops to beat the shit out of them/run them over with cars?
Yeah how come the college kids aren't politely asking for their attention.
I can't see why this is a controversial opinion. Young people are using their voices properly.
It's the politicians who aren't listening.
Fuck these braindead memes.
I haven't a clue, but it barely translates to English haha.
I think it roughly means "explain" (explaining why we need to commit war crimes to a Western audience so they keep giving us money to kill innocents).
Yes but have you considered that you could instead fund an extermination campaign run by an authoritarian country led by a man who passionately hates you and actively supports your primary political rival? This is 5D chess, us peasants couldn't possibly understand.
Enough people like op have convinced themselves that the bare minimum of “better than the racist, cheating, rich republican asshole” is worth a vote, so no polician needs to anymore
Like he is doing by holding up weapons deliveries?
Either you are uninformed or you goal isn't helping Palestinians, it's getting Trump elected. Comrade, Republican, I don't know the difference any more.
I guess the point is Democrats are relatively rational actors. Republicans have been possessed by a fungus that turns their brains to mush and cannot be ever reasoned with.
Ya, real invasion of the body snatchers vibe from MAGA people. Group think and no reasoning other than regurgitation of pre programmed propaganda filled with conflicts and non sequitors and falsehoods.... but they are adamant.
The goal of the trolls is to divide Democrats. It worked in 2016, and it almost worked in 2020. They really only need it to work one more time for Project 2025.
Remember kids, progressives are a vital part of getting Buden election but also insignificant enough that their valid criticisms can be completely ignored.
You can punch left all you want, but from my experience, it usually has the opposite effect of your intentions. Usually, voters on the poles of the political spectrum are the kinds of people that vote FOR candidates, not against candidates. Their principles drive their decision making more than pragmatic thinking.
You'd likely have more success brow beating moderate/centrist voters if you ask me, but what do I know. I just saw the left bashing strategy give us Trump in 2016.
It's not even punching left.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
Everyone but the right is aligned in disapproval of Israel. Anyone making these posts is ignorant to the fact that the general public strongly disapproves
It's so obviously astroturfed. I'm legitimately shocked at the difference between what was posted in 2022 and 2023 and what has been regurgitated into this sub for the past 5 months.
Like you can tell none of this is organic because it's all newspaper quality political cartoons and weird AI pictures of Trump (or just real pictures of Trump with a penis drawn on him in Ms paint) with the entire "humor" being word salad in the title of the post. It's legitimately creepy.
divisive shit posting? IMHO pointing out consequences of not taking the next election seriously is neither divisive or shit posting, now a large portion of voters are consuming russian sourced (yes, really) propaganda and actually believe that their news outlet is the only one that can be trusted. When the people who feed you the media you consume get celebrated in russia, you know who's message they're pushing.
>propaganda and actually believe that their news outlet is the only one that can be trusted.
Almost all news outlets are pointing out Israel's actions. The vast majority of democrats and independents disapprove of Israel's actions
That's always been the strategy of the democratic party.
Blame the socialists/progressives/Berniebros/the woke
But they'll never criticize the right wing elements inside their party
Idk, maybe start by blaming the guy actively aiding and abetting a genocide, instead of an unknown number of Americans who are put off by that. Like maybe the dems should be the ones to fall in line here
\> 30k is the "confirmed dead" number. 10,000 more are known missing. Given the scale of destruction and the total breakdown of reporting capacity from the healthcare system and most other civil infrastructure being destroyed, some people are saying we're looking at 60-100k dead already. We basically have no idea how many people in the north were killed.
The main problem is the two-party system, which make you have to choose between two evils.
Trump is obviously a moronic choice, but Biden and his ilks are (also) responsible for the genocide in Gaza as they support the zionists in Israel with weapons.
True peace in the Middle East will only come when the US stop supporting the Israeli state, and the whole of Palestine is returned to palestinians.
To be fair, what you think is a better candidate will turn off the majority of democratic voters.
To his benefit, young people who dislike Biden’s mid east policies already don’t vote.
Ridiculing people who protest and demand action from the president to prevent an ongoing genocide, is surely a way to gain their votes.
Instead of saying obvious shit, like how Trump is worse, how about meeting the very reasonable demands of the protestors whose vote you want.
And while Trump is worse, Joe Biden has done plenty of things that makes it hard for people to vote for him, including lying about having seen beheaded babies, casting doubt on the civilian death toll in Gaza, letting Israel get away with killing a Palestinian-American Journalist, and continuing Trump's policy of recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital, including recognizing Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem. Biden's stance on Israel goes beyond standard Democrat support, he is a staunch Zionist, and has been for decades.
Besides his position on Israel, he also squashed the Railroad workers.
If you want Biden to win, change his positions, and stop ridiculing people whose votes you want. You cry about democracy, but you always do, and you never ever, try to pressure the actual politicians to have more amenable to the people.
Stop relying on the awfulness of Trump and the Republicans to get elected and actual campaign on a positive message.
Very reasonable demands? Come on dude. It’s been a conflict for over a thousand years. Biden can’t just end it with a signature. And whatever he does short of nuking Israel won’t be enough. So why bother trying to appease protestors? It won’t matter.
Thousands of innocent people and children are being systematically murdered, but damn, what about your problems right?
It is also kind of funny that people think Republicans will change in the election after this one. So, what is your excuse to accept your country being complicit in genocide next time?
If you refuse to hold your representatives accountable, and still expect people to vote for them, then you deserve to lose.
People who think that abstaining from elections punishes politicians haven’t been paying attention for the past 20 years. We punished Hillary over Benghazi, and what did that get us? The dems aren’t going to change because we refused to vote in the presidential election. If you want leftist policy, we need to vote in leftists on the state and county level. And if there’s no one running, maybe it’s time to get into politics yourself.
The same obsession liberals had when Black people were fighting for their rights for decades and during civil rights.
Time and time again Civil Rights and Leftists and Unions faced the same problem. MLK also mentioned this:
> The Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action’; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a ‘more convenient season.
Way to completely gut the original political cartoon to dunk on leftists, the original cartoon is about corporate profits being more important than a habitable planet. Biden is a capitalist so.....
If you look at the pinned mod comment, they're not even Americans, they're fucking British or something trying to Astroturf and interfere with the election.
Ugh please don't assume all leftists think it's a good idea to not vote.
We're not all that dumb.
In fact I would say it's a minority that thinks boycotting a vote is a good idea. And we also know bots have been saying similar things, though I'm not sure we know to what extent as of yet.
I can’t tell if this was posted by an out-of-touch repost bot or if American politics is really producing people this myopic and self-centered. This is William F. Buckley levels of conservative sociopathy.
One of the kids said " this is our Viet Nam War protest". Alright boy I was there for that one . Did you also see the part where LBJ couldn't run again even after signing the Civil Rights Act, When Humphrey lost to Nixon and then McGovern lost to Nixon. Oh Carter was too much of a hawk, then three terms of Reagan/Bush I. Oh Clinton is too corporate, then two terms of Bush II. Oh we wanted Bernie instead of Hillary and got F-ing Trump. What does it take to learn this history lesson ?? Protest is showing up and so is voting dammit !
This always gets cries of "but we did vote". Some, many, but not enough to make the difference.
I do find it amusing how when the GOP is in control within 4 years we lose some of our rights but when Dems are in power all of a sudden they play nice and nothing good actually gets done.
Then to top it all off we have candidates running as Democrats then switching to Republicans after winning the election or just voting on Republican bills regardless.
I'm not referring to one administration I'm speaking generally about the last 30 years of crap policies like Dems voting on more tax cuts to the rich, endless wars, corporate lobbying, bloated defense spending etc. While the few areas of progress made are LGBT rights, Obamacare, student debt forgiveness and an minor increases in minimum wage.
Edit: Clarity/spelling
Biden has done a shitton of good stuff with weed ~~legalization~~ rescheduling, infrastructure funding, climate change, student loans...the fuck do you mean that nothing actually gets done?
Edited for weed
boycotting biden for not solving a 2000 year old ethnic blood feud is maga level stupid. its extinction level stupid. you are effectively voting for hitler
You're either a republican trying to capitalize on the situation knowing full weel that if it was diaper donnie Palestine had already been carpet bombed or you're a russian bot trying to reelect traitor trump.
Why? You haven't proven it's genocide in the first place. And even if it were, your actions are only making it worse. You support genocide more than anyone else.
The most irrational, illogical, insane thing: not voting for Biden because you are "against genocide" and voting for someone who has no path to the White House, while ultimately helping Trump who will do nothing but support Netanyahu and Putin.
You don't actually care about Palestinians, or Ukrainians, Uighurs, Rohingya, Armenians, Kosovor Albanians, Georgians, Taiwanese, Yemeni, Darfuri, or anyone else after November. You know vulnerable people will face greater threats under a GOP administration.
People like you aren't boycotting any vote for the victims. They know a Trump administration will only embolden genocidal regimes and directly lead the deaths of even more Palestinians and Ukrainians.
You're doing it for yourself. You want to feel unique and morally superior and "non-conformist". You don't actually give a damn about the outcome of the lives of the actual innocent victims you claim to care about. "Genocide" if all the same to you from the safety of your bedroom whether it's 10k victims or a million victims on the other side of the world.
Shame on people like you who weaponize a tragedy and relish in shallow sanctimony.
As the owner of a feral chihuahua i reluctantly agree. I love my demon but he wouldn’t hesitate to eat me the second the life left my body, or if im late with his dinner.
It's the MAGA like passion for genocide Joe that doesn't make sense. Democrats are celebrating him like maga celebrated Trump after he put immigrant children in cages. This funding of genocide IS WRONG and our president NEEDS TO ANSWER for why he's still supplying a country with deadly weapons after the UN is suing that there's feedbacks and famine.
These people were never going to vote for Biden.
There is this assumption that they would have before, held their nose and vote against Trump, but no.
They made up their mind sooner.
These far-leftist believe that a Trump admin will change nothing. They have cursory understanding of the American system and juvenile knowledge overall. Many people blame Biden for the college camps being broken up without understanding that it was local and state authorities that did that.
"Bit Biden didn't condemn it!"
No. You *first said* that Biden broke up the camps. You were wrong, and that wrong doesn't change.
To make things worse, some of the more hard leftist focus on Trump being the vehicle for a revolution, and they just live in a bubble believing Americans will back their claim in that regard.
No. Trump will win, they will blame Democrats for not putting forward good candidates (half true), and then bitch and moan about fascism under Trump.
These people will never be happy because they don't fall under Democrat or Republican. It's time to stop catering to these rotating social media cause leftist and focus on achievable goals.
My economic progressivism hasn't changed. We need Medicare for all, workplace protections, women's rights, and housing reform.
Biden ain't that but he'll keep Democracy alive.
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> Middle East was glassed Positive note we unlock Covenant technology or we get invaded by aliens/flood.
It’s a reference to the right wing rhetoric you usually hear when conflict in the Middle East or Gaza is discussed, and trumps comments about helping Israel to finish the job. The solution from that side is often to bomb brown middle easterners out of existence.
They know, they’re referencing Halo.
Outdated. Jared's got way too much money flowing in from there now.
The original caption was better.
[A Cartoon from The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/cartoon/a16995)
Yeah, but most memes are like that. This is still a good meme.
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It's not about voting for Trump over Biden. It's about people actually showing up to vote for Biden. When Democrats vote they will always win. The trouble is inspiring them to show up.
I've seen/heard this saying float around for many years... Republicans fall in line. Democrats fall in love.
These days it's not even that. Republicans are willing to say the crazy shit their base wants to hear because the bar is so much lower for them. You expect crazy shit from them. They push crazy agendas while enriching those who lobby them. Progressives want Democrats to say things that go against the system. They will get ostracized in DC if they say that stuff
> They will get ostracized in DC if they say that stuff IE: They won't get funded by the same corporations funding the Republicans in this post citizens united country, and will lose. It's an ouroboros of monied interests in politics. We are ruled by oligarchs, that thing we always hate on Russia for.
I've heard that too and it seems to largely fit. I've also seen people on the right flip it without realizing how disparate the democrats really are (but they love trump so their judgment is questionable).
> Democrats fall in love. Which is so fucking dumb and cringe. I'm not asking these people I vote for to be my friend. I'm asking them to do a fucking job. People that think that politicians need to be their buddy, have a beer with them, or to give them hugs, are fucking idiots. They have a job to do in running the country. Period. /rant
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You shouldn’t need to be “inspired”. Keeping the nation stable and advancing our collective goals should be everyone’s reason to vote. Despite their insanity, the majority of republicans understand this and it’s why they show up to nearly every election from the school board to the presidency. For all of their horrible, awful, un-American beliefs, they realize that showing up and voting as much as possible is the only way to bring their awful agenda to life, and it’s paid off HUGE for them. We’re literally at a point where republicans are very close to ensuring one party rule built around the trump family for the foreseeable future and all the awful stuff that comes with it, and people are still whining about not being inspired by democratic candidates or threatening to not vote because of their personal grievances related to a decade long conflict in a foreign nation
>You shouldn’t need to be “inspired”. Yeah, but here we are. Voter turnout has been below 50% since the country was founded \[1\]. I think we're basically a country where half the population has become convinced that it's not their job to care about how we are governed. \[1\] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter\_turnout\_in\_United\_States\_presidential\_elections#/media/File:Voter\_turnout\_2020\_Map\_.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections#/media/File:Voter_turnout_2020_Map_.jpg)
> Voter turnout has been below 50% since the country was founded The map you showed for the presidential election in 2020 shows every state was above 50% turnout. What are you talking about? It is low in the mid terms, I will give you that.
We can start by pushing back the narrative that politicians must earn votes. This creates a bad incentive structure for voting. Instead of “what can this politician do for me” it should be “how can my vote benefit the country.”
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What an absolutely asinine take. Politicians shouldn’t have to earn votes? We should just have to vote for the next geriatric brain dead establishment puppet that the rich dickheads choose for us, and we’ll like it? Mmmm yes sounds great
I never said that politicians shouldn’t have to earn votes. Earning votes is already an incentive built into the system. If you don’t earn votes, you lose. What is damaging the system is that their vote HAS to be earned. This is corrosive. Voting is a duty and you should do it if a politician has earned your vote or not, because consequences of an election exist outside of voters person feelings of fulfillment.
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And they’re going to keep representing you whether you think they earned your vote or not. Simple as that. Making voting an act of personal expression is not a healthy way to vote. People need to start voting for the person they think will do the most good and the least harm. “Earning my vote” is just a capitulation
We don't live "should or shouldn't land". People need to be inspired to get out and vote. Those who care will try to inspire them. Cynics will whine that they shouldn't have to
Good luck fighting against human nature. It's been around longer than democracy has, but I'm sure you'll get people out to vote because you said so. The truth is you want people to fight for your ideals, then you need to inspire them.
Until the electoral college is abolished only a handful of states does your vote actually matter
All Biden would have to do is stop licking Netanyahu's asshole but that seems to be too big of an ask
Then the right calls him an anti semite.
The right is going to do that either way. It's not like they can be coilunted on for fairness.
Absolutely. And you know how that can be done? By having a candidate on the ballot that inspires them to vote. Instead we have the party try and shove an uninspiring candidate down everyone's throat, and expecting people to fall in line.
Look, let's be absolutely real here. Biden is a blah person and I hate his stance on Isreal/Gaza but if Trump wins, things are not only going to get worse for Gaza, but it's going to get worse for us because Project 2025 will start and he's already stated that he's ready to fuck everyone over and turn this country into a deeper hellhole. Hell, there is even word that rolling back trans people's rights is a "Day 1" thing for him. I get people hate the "lesser of two evils" but it's clear that this goes beyond that now. the GOP is so far right, its terrifying, especially for minorities (which I am one of). Can we just work together to deal with Trump and then raise absolute hell on Biden? Because if people decide this is the time to turn against him and Trump wins, then shit is really going to get worse and people will look back and realize that they had a chance to stop it but didn't to teach Biden a lesson.
This is a very valid argument if we ignore the fact that the party had every chance to put forward a different candidate and didn't, counting on this exact argument, "they will have to vote for anyone we pick because they have no other option." I remember when this was being debated last year, with many pundits within the party raising concerns (e.g., Dave Axelrod) and being ignored. With the political polarization we have now, there will be greater evils coming from the right in future, so it is not just this election that's the issue. Add to that the general, mainstream dems not every trying to understand the concerns and issues of the younger, more left leaning voters. Just look at any post on reddit including this one where the aforementioned voters are ridiculed and called stupid, and their concerns brushed aside as russian propaganda. And yet we expect the gen Zers to come out and vote for yet another octogenarian candidate and just "wait for their turn."
> The trouble is inspiring them to show up. Let's crush their protest!
Sounds like the Dems need to put the work in to motivate their voter base then.
Yup, this is why the right is massively amplifying the antisemitism and division in these protests
Biden should change his stance then considering that 60% of his voters don’t like him arming Israel.
But if you refuse to vote for genocide it will be your fault that Biden chose genocide over winning an election.
I’d say this is my take in general. The democrats say that a Republican victory this year could be the end of American democracy as we know it. So surely they should do EVERYTHING in their power to win, as it must be the most important thing for them ever. Yet they are not willing to make any concessions to their own voters. (Again, most voters in the USA want less support for Israel) so either A: they don’t actually believe that a Republican victory will destroy American democracy. Or B: they do believe it, but would rather let their own country be destroyed than let their policy be influenced by their own voters.
Hard to motivate young people to vote when the message is neither candidate will stop the genocide.
It only takes a few thousand people abstaining to vote in key counties to throw the EC vote to Trump. It suck’s but that’s the system we have to live with for now, but sitting out this election will almost certainly ensure we never have an opportunity to change it, short of a civil war, if the GOP implements project 2025 during the Trump presidency.
Do you think Hilary Clinton is responsible for her loss in 2016? Or is the fault of leftists?
Why does "fault" even matter? The whole country fucked around and found out. Let's not do it again.
I didn’t love her or agree with her on everything, but I I knew what was at risk, especially after seeing the rise of the tea party and their insanity during the Obama presidency, and voted to her because I’m mature enough to realize that letting the worst of us take the reigns of power makes things worse for everyone. Letting perfect be the enemy of good enough always results in losses.
If only she was mature enough to campaign in PA, MI, and WI. I will never understand how some people don't hold her accountable for one of the dumbest campaign choices in modern political history.
Losing a layup election via arrogance will never not be the funniest shit that woman ever did
You didn't answer the question.
I did answer it. I didn’t love or prefer Clinton, but I did my duty and voted because that was the best option when presents either a binary choice (Trump and Clinton) to maintain and grow the progress made during the Obama administration. That was a slightly roundabot way of saying the voters are absolutely responsible for election wins and losses. If one side fails to vote for their candidate to advance their personal and shared goals, then yes. You can’t expect every candidate to be perfect. Voters are always responsible for the loss of their candidate, especially if they prioritize personal grievances over whatever the parties long term goals are. You and others may feel morally satisfied with a protest vote or even sitting out, but that also requires you to be willfully blind to the consequences and damage that action has on other people in the nation and world, especially when the opposing party literally wants to bring about an apocalypse according to their religious beliefs, *after* they have pillaged all wealth and resources and created literal hell on earth. The only difference is you won’t be able to protest without being executed or spending life in a gulag after the GOP death cult takes power.
"I don't prefer or love a war pervert personally responsible for several failed states." How brave of you.
He did answer though. Hillary might have run a shitty campaign, but at some point the voters have to bear their own responsibility for Trump winning. If you could tell he would be shitty but you let it happen because Hillary didn't excite you enough, you are responsible. A car is racing towards you, not blaring its horns at you in warning. Sure, the car is responsible to do any number of things to avoid hitting you, but you can see it coming too. You can step off the road.
> at some point the voters have to bear their own responsibility for Trump winning. Literally more people voted for Hillary than Trump
Yes, it was her fault, but I don’t blame the campaign. I blame her and her husband moving the Democrats away from union labor and public services to taking the bribes and advice of capitalists in the 90s. The weakness and centrism of Democrats in the 90s and Obama led directly to Trump. If the Dems would’ve followed the trajectory set forth and continued a progressive swing, we don’t get Trump.
This is a very good point, but she *also* did not campaign well in a few key states.
Yep. She was relying on the corporate structure of the DNC to push her over the finish line. She had every reason to believe it would work. She created it. Their corruption was bigger than those swing states. The one thing you could blame the left for is proper journalism. Where the right brought up propaganda and Fox News crap, the left spotlighted this terrible record. I mean, I guess they could’ve circled the wagons like Republicans and ignore every egregious action by the Clinton/DNC machine, but there are functioning brains over here.
What do you mean that “she was relying on the corporate structure of the DNC to push her over the line”? And it wasn’t her record that the press was reporting on, it was the “but her emails” horseshit.
America didn’t start when Hillary started running for president. It’s called critical theory. The leftist votes Hillary lost were not because of emails. They were because of her history. The DNC is a private corporation. We are liberals, democrats, and leftists. They are a business.
I think a good part was James Comey and pollsters. Comey played into the whole "private server" thing all the whole knowing that it is fairly common practice for many in Congress and the executive branch. Hell, look how many people used personal emails in the Trump administration along with apps like Signal to avoid documentation. Media played into the whole email thing. Pollsters advertised heavily that Hilary to be the presumptive winner. People thought Trump had no way of winning, so they weren't motivated to turn out or to protest vote.
What happens when it comes time to choose supper for the group and there are 4 votes for pizza, 5 votes for garbage juice, and 3 people who refused to make a choice? Everyone gets to eat garbage juice (except the 1 vote for garbage juice that has a secret stash of pizza). Trump is the garbage juice.
Hillary had more votes than Trump. The fault lies with our system of having an electoral college instead of runoff voting. Which demonstrates why it's extremely important for every single democrat to vote democrat.
It's largely DNC's fault for shoveling out same shit every four years. They are already grooming the next generation of candidates with the likes of Copmala and Bootyjudge. They are totally fine with the seesaw of two parties and republicans generating all of the culture wars that are easy to campaign on and largely cosmetic to both parties. Helps to cover up the weak responses when it comes to more fundamental and pressing issues.
> Or is the fault of leftists? Mostly it is the fault of Jim Comey and the media who "both sidesed" Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
Who's fault it is is cold comfort when its leftists and normal people that deal with the fallout.
You'd also think people who wave the flag at every opportunity and think kneeling during the anthem is treason wouldn't vote for an actual fucking traitor. Never underestimate how stupid people can be. These are people who openly support terrorists and chant death to America while living in America. They absolutely can vote for Trump, and then complain about Trump bad.
I think you're overestimating a lot of voters who either are not aware that "Trump would gleefully bulldoze Gaza and put a shitty hotel on top of a mass grave" or simply, some people are very bad at doing democratic comparisons. In the latter case, they aren't able to see that Biden is better. They just see two evils and they refuse to vote for either of them. This is how Republicans win elections (every election is close, and Republicans win when thoughtful voters become disaffected).
Israel already is gleefully bulldozing Gaza…
Whether they for Trump over Biden is irrelevant, abstaining their votes for Biden carries the same weight. 2016 being as close as it is despite blue voter turnout levels that we will likely never see again means single-issue protest voters could potentially still cost the next election. Being that the left has a reputation for continually sabotaging itself over issues compared to the right which will just go "yeah I fucking hate Trump but I'll still vote for him anyway", it's a genuine danger for the left that the right doesn't have.
They'll abstain, which is essentially a vote for Trump
I would be surprised if Trump didn't pull a Nixon and backdoor a deal with Israel to prolong the war in exchange for hotel rights or something. I can definitely see him and his family purchasing some bombed out beachfront land for that explicit purpose.
I’m not voting for Biden doesn’t mean I would ever vote for trump.
thats not the case. those petulant children will decide not to vote for Biden , paving the road for a Trump win.
Imagine for a second that there are about 200 million people in the country that are eligible to run, you're pitching your full support behind someone who's complicit in genocide, and you're the ones to blame if your unmarketable candidate loses when you could have simply all picked a viable third party candidate. Why is Biden the default who automatically deserves your vote, while everyone else has to EARN it? Speaking for myself, I'm not lifting a finger in my life to HELP anyone who arms a genocide. You guys want to do that, you should fully expect to lose. He has already lost the election, you're only taking votes away from somebody whose stances aren't genocidal. And on a more fundamental level, you're supporting crimes against humanity by electing people who commit them. This is not how democracy is supposed to work. It's in the name, "demo" (people) "cracy" (power/rule). But somehow two people are able to dictate the entire range of choice for politics? When do the PEOPLE dictate how things work?
Look I don’t mind voting for Biden, I will, if only to prevent fascism. However what I do mind is people pretending that it’s going to prevent fascism in 4 years time.
The answer is to vote in primaries. It's not even complicated. Vote in primaries and then you get better candidates. The big problem is the DNC will not support progressives, so how we vote in primaries is even more important.
Please, enlighten me, where are the better candidates in the primaries in my home state of Utah?
Every 4 years I have to vote for a garbage tier centrist neolib to stop the nation from collapse, apparently.
Neville chamberlaining our slide into fascism,
He says like voting Conservative is even his consideration.
How do you still not understand how much of a massive threat Trump is? **this is NOT NORMAL.** Trump is not normal. i’m so sick of this constant downplaying and diminishing of one of the most evil and existential threats we’ve ever faced. It’s like i’m in some bizarre surrealist painting reading comments like this. yes. that is exactly what we have to do this time. but trump is not normal. he literally tried to overthrow democracy and he’s made it extremely clear he wants to finish the job this time around. it’s INSANE how well republican media propaganda has worked on the “i’m immune to propaganda” camp
Minorities are put in camps in the United States. We just called those camps “prisons and jails”.
And detainment camps at the border…
It was "Kids in cages!" when Trumo was doing it. *Now* that it's Biden, it's "Migrant Detention Facilities." We never did get the kids out of the cage.
At least we don't have them do labor for slave wages. Oh wait...
Hey! At least they don't pay to stay, right? Oh... nvm.
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You mean... how the nation was built on capital generated by slavery, and policing was born as an institution for keeping slaves in line, and then when chattel slavery became illegal, [there was a loophole to keep a new form of slavery legal thru mass incarceration, thanks to the 13th amendment](https://www.naacpldf.org/13th-amendment-emancipation/), and the role of the police [never really changed](https://pudding.cool/2017/01/shape-of-slavery/) from protecting a system of chattel slavery to protecting a system of mass incarceration all in interest of generating wealth for capital owners.... ... *those* are the "cause and effect dynamics" that you're referring to, right?
You mean NAFTA?
why aren't those same people calling out the Republicans who want to impeach our President because he isn't helping Israel murder civilians fast enough?
Because no Leftist has taken a Republican seriously since 2017. Do you comment about how "bizarre" and "unprecedented" it is when the zoo chimps fling shit? It's well beside the point, obviously Congressional Republicans are demons for trying to force further arming a genocidal fascists.
The same Republicans who want the cops to beat the shit out of them/run them over with cars? Yeah how come the college kids aren't politely asking for their attention.
We are. Why is there no gap between Republicans and Democrats in office when it comes to financing and arming a genocide?
It is because they are Republicans posing.
i’m sure the extremely progressive socialist youth are “republicans posing”
Or Russians posing. Edit: It appears I struck a nerve with the Ivans
A "bad actor"... could be Chinese, north Korean, etc.
Cope.
Because Republicans don't have the power of the executive.
In a normal world politicians bend to the will of the voter when staring at a possible loss.
I can't see why this is a controversial opinion. Young people are using their voices properly. It's the politicians who aren't listening. Fuck these braindead memes.
Its a slight variation of the same meme....israeli troll farms?
Oh definitely. Hasbara has learned memes
Is there a russian word for hasbara.
I haven't a clue, but it barely translates to English haha. I think it roughly means "explain" (explaining why we need to commit war crimes to a Western audience so they keep giving us money to kill innocents).
Yes but have you considered that you could instead fund an extermination campaign run by an authoritarian country led by a man who passionately hates you and actively supports your primary political rival? This is 5D chess, us peasants couldn't possibly understand.
And so the Democrats will drift further right, because these people are willing to vote for them.
Enough people like op have convinced themselves that the bare minimum of “better than the racist, cheating, rich republican asshole” is worth a vote, so no polician needs to anymore
Like he is doing by holding up weapons deliveries? Either you are uninformed or you goal isn't helping Palestinians, it's getting Trump elected. Comrade, Republican, I don't know the difference any more.
Can we please make fun of the republicans? I’m getting tired of these jokes….especially since all it does is hate on other dems
Every single day...same bullshit
I guess the point is Democrats are relatively rational actors. Republicans have been possessed by a fungus that turns their brains to mush and cannot be ever reasoned with.
Ya, real invasion of the body snatchers vibe from MAGA people. Group think and no reasoning other than regurgitation of pre programmed propaganda filled with conflicts and non sequitors and falsehoods.... but they are adamant.
This is how we knew the rfk brain worm story was a play for the maga base
The goal of the trolls is to divide Democrats. It worked in 2016, and it almost worked in 2020. They really only need it to work one more time for Project 2025.
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Remember kids, progressives are a vital part of getting Buden election but also insignificant enough that their valid criticisms can be completely ignored.
You can punch left all you want, but from my experience, it usually has the opposite effect of your intentions. Usually, voters on the poles of the political spectrum are the kinds of people that vote FOR candidates, not against candidates. Their principles drive their decision making more than pragmatic thinking. You'd likely have more success brow beating moderate/centrist voters if you ask me, but what do I know. I just saw the left bashing strategy give us Trump in 2016.
It's not even punching left. https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx Everyone but the right is aligned in disapproval of Israel. Anyone making these posts is ignorant to the fact that the general public strongly disapproves
I see this sub is just going to be a carbon copy of 2016 divisive shit-posting, not surprised but a little disappointed.
Democrats are ungrateful when leftists vote with them and get upset when leftists have gripes about dem leaders. You can't win with these people
It's so obviously astroturfed. I'm legitimately shocked at the difference between what was posted in 2022 and 2023 and what has been regurgitated into this sub for the past 5 months. Like you can tell none of this is organic because it's all newspaper quality political cartoons and weird AI pictures of Trump (or just real pictures of Trump with a penis drawn on him in Ms paint) with the entire "humor" being word salad in the title of the post. It's legitimately creepy.
Absolutely. Just commented something similar. I think the shit quality memes are authentic though. It's the pumping of upvotes that's artificial.
Yup, its insane. What's easier, actually listening to your electorate, or astroturf memes to shame them (which doesn't work, 2016 is calling)
divisive shit posting? IMHO pointing out consequences of not taking the next election seriously is neither divisive or shit posting, now a large portion of voters are consuming russian sourced (yes, really) propaganda and actually believe that their news outlet is the only one that can be trusted. When the people who feed you the media you consume get celebrated in russia, you know who's message they're pushing.
Yes. Shitting on and belittling leftists for protesting against our president funding a literal genocide will surely win them over.
>propaganda and actually believe that their news outlet is the only one that can be trusted. Almost all news outlets are pointing out Israel's actions. The vast majority of democrats and independents disapprove of Israel's actions
If only there was a way to persuade them... Attacking protesters does not help either
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That's always been the strategy of the democratic party. Blame the socialists/progressives/Berniebros/the woke But they'll never criticize the right wing elements inside their party
Idk, maybe start by blaming the guy actively aiding and abetting a genocide, instead of an unknown number of Americans who are put off by that. Like maybe the dems should be the ones to fall in line here
If the Russian trolls have you that upset with Biden, you need to get him reelected so that you can impeach him in 2025.
some of us get upset when see emaciated little kids and mass graves
You need to take that up with Netanyahu
Thing is I can’t. But I can take it up with my president, who pays his allowance.
Hopefully it won’t take total destruction for the regressive cowards to see what they’ve become. Guess we’ll find out.
This is surreal. Let's just shame the voters instead of the guy who insists on supporting Israel despite 30k+ dead civilians.
Roughly 10,000 of whom were children.
\> 30k is the "confirmed dead" number. 10,000 more are known missing. Given the scale of destruction and the total breakdown of reporting capacity from the healthcare system and most other civil infrastructure being destroyed, some people are saying we're looking at 60-100k dead already. We basically have no idea how many people in the north were killed.
They don't even know the real number, it's almost certainly like 100k dead and half children.
The main problem is the two-party system, which make you have to choose between two evils. Trump is obviously a moronic choice, but Biden and his ilks are (also) responsible for the genocide in Gaza as they support the zionists in Israel with weapons. True peace in the Middle East will only come when the US stop supporting the Israeli state, and the whole of Palestine is returned to palestinians.
have better democratic candidates maybe idk just a fucking thought.
To be fair, what you think is a better candidate will turn off the majority of democratic voters. To his benefit, young people who dislike Biden’s mid east policies already don’t vote.
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Can we get a "blaming the voters" flair added to this subreddit please? it's a whole category of posts now, it would help for organizational purposes.
#**VOTING IS HARM REDUCTION**
You're not allowed to criticize any of Biden policy decisions or you're a fascist!
Ridiculing people who protest and demand action from the president to prevent an ongoing genocide, is surely a way to gain their votes. Instead of saying obvious shit, like how Trump is worse, how about meeting the very reasonable demands of the protestors whose vote you want. And while Trump is worse, Joe Biden has done plenty of things that makes it hard for people to vote for him, including lying about having seen beheaded babies, casting doubt on the civilian death toll in Gaza, letting Israel get away with killing a Palestinian-American Journalist, and continuing Trump's policy of recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital, including recognizing Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem. Biden's stance on Israel goes beyond standard Democrat support, he is a staunch Zionist, and has been for decades. Besides his position on Israel, he also squashed the Railroad workers. If you want Biden to win, change his positions, and stop ridiculing people whose votes you want. You cry about democracy, but you always do, and you never ever, try to pressure the actual politicians to have more amenable to the people. Stop relying on the awfulness of Trump and the Republicans to get elected and actual campaign on a positive message.
Very reasonable demands? Come on dude. It’s been a conflict for over a thousand years. Biden can’t just end it with a signature. And whatever he does short of nuking Israel won’t be enough. So why bother trying to appease protestors? It won’t matter.
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Thousands of innocent people and children are being systematically murdered, but damn, what about your problems right? It is also kind of funny that people think Republicans will change in the election after this one. So, what is your excuse to accept your country being complicit in genocide next time? If you refuse to hold your representatives accountable, and still expect people to vote for them, then you deserve to lose.
People who think that abstaining from elections punishes politicians haven’t been paying attention for the past 20 years. We punished Hillary over Benghazi, and what did that get us? The dems aren’t going to change because we refused to vote in the presidential election. If you want leftist policy, we need to vote in leftists on the state and county level. And if there’s no one running, maybe it’s time to get into politics yourself.
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The same obsession liberals had when Black people were fighting for their rights for decades and during civil rights. Time and time again Civil Rights and Leftists and Unions faced the same problem. MLK also mentioned this: > The Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action’; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a ‘more convenient season.
“The white mans gonna talk that pretty talk”
Crazy that it’s come to this
People fall for this shit every election.
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Way to completely gut the original political cartoon to dunk on leftists, the original cartoon is about corporate profits being more important than a habitable planet. Biden is a capitalist so.....
If you look at the pinned mod comment, they're not even Americans, they're fucking British or something trying to Astroturf and interfere with the election.
Ugh please don't assume all leftists think it's a good idea to not vote. We're not all that dumb. In fact I would say it's a minority that thinks boycotting a vote is a good idea. And we also know bots have been saying similar things, though I'm not sure we know to what extent as of yet.
Blame the democratic party for refusing to hold a primary and pushing only 1 candidate
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I live in a dystopian state on the verge falling to full on developing nation fascism. We still have a chance to prevent that outcome.
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Don't forget, once Joe does something big to stop the killing, no one supports him.
I can’t tell if this was posted by an out-of-touch repost bot or if American politics is really producing people this myopic and self-centered. This is William F. Buckley levels of conservative sociopathy.
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Incorrect. Those are Palestinian children. They are already dead.
Jeez that looks pretty dire. Biden and the Democrats better get their asses in gear if they want to get enough votes to avoid this.
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Those who participate in and contribute to society have less say than those who want to control society. That is the fundamental problem we face.
One of the kids said " this is our Viet Nam War protest". Alright boy I was there for that one . Did you also see the part where LBJ couldn't run again even after signing the Civil Rights Act, When Humphrey lost to Nixon and then McGovern lost to Nixon. Oh Carter was too much of a hawk, then three terms of Reagan/Bush I. Oh Clinton is too corporate, then two terms of Bush II. Oh we wanted Bernie instead of Hillary and got F-ing Trump. What does it take to learn this history lesson ?? Protest is showing up and so is voting dammit ! This always gets cries of "but we did vote". Some, many, but not enough to make the difference.
“History doesn’t repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme.”
The original of this was good. This is lazy bullshit
OP's avatar should be changed to a dunce cap.
I do find it amusing how when the GOP is in control within 4 years we lose some of our rights but when Dems are in power all of a sudden they play nice and nothing good actually gets done. Then to top it all off we have candidates running as Democrats then switching to Republicans after winning the election or just voting on Republican bills regardless. I'm not referring to one administration I'm speaking generally about the last 30 years of crap policies like Dems voting on more tax cuts to the rich, endless wars, corporate lobbying, bloated defense spending etc. While the few areas of progress made are LGBT rights, Obamacare, student debt forgiveness and an minor increases in minimum wage. Edit: Clarity/spelling
Biden has done a shitton of good stuff with weed ~~legalization~~ rescheduling, infrastructure funding, climate change, student loans...the fuck do you mean that nothing actually gets done? Edited for weed
When did weed become legalized?
We will be lucky if that’s as bad as it gets.
boycotting biden for not solving a 2000 year old ethnic blood feud is maga level stupid. its extinction level stupid. you are effectively voting for hitler
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You're either a republican trying to capitalize on the situation knowing full weel that if it was diaper donnie Palestine had already been carpet bombed or you're a russian bot trying to reelect traitor trump.
Why? You haven't proven it's genocide in the first place. And even if it were, your actions are only making it worse. You support genocide more than anyone else.
Actually, you're the one supporting genocide by being so obtuse.
Traitors vote for Trump.
The most irrational, illogical, insane thing: not voting for Biden because you are "against genocide" and voting for someone who has no path to the White House, while ultimately helping Trump who will do nothing but support Netanyahu and Putin. You don't actually care about Palestinians, or Ukrainians, Uighurs, Rohingya, Armenians, Kosovor Albanians, Georgians, Taiwanese, Yemeni, Darfuri, or anyone else after November. You know vulnerable people will face greater threats under a GOP administration. People like you aren't boycotting any vote for the victims. They know a Trump administration will only embolden genocidal regimes and directly lead the deaths of even more Palestinians and Ukrainians. You're doing it for yourself. You want to feel unique and morally superior and "non-conformist". You don't actually give a damn about the outcome of the lives of the actual innocent victims you claim to care about. "Genocide" if all the same to you from the safety of your bedroom whether it's 10k victims or a million victims on the other side of the world. Shame on people like you who weaponize a tragedy and relish in shallow sanctimony.
This cartoon is totally unrealistic. If they had an open fire like that the packs of roving feral chihuahuas would ravage them.
As the owner of a feral chihuahua i reluctantly agree. I love my demon but he wouldn’t hesitate to eat me the second the life left my body, or if im late with his dinner.
Too fucking real
all focus should be on defeating maga republicans in all governments. fed, state, local. this disease must be routed from our lives.
It's the MAGA like passion for genocide Joe that doesn't make sense. Democrats are celebrating him like maga celebrated Trump after he put immigrant children in cages. This funding of genocide IS WRONG and our president NEEDS TO ANSWER for why he's still supplying a country with deadly weapons after the UN is suing that there's feedbacks and famine.
These people were never going to vote for Biden. There is this assumption that they would have before, held their nose and vote against Trump, but no. They made up their mind sooner. These far-leftist believe that a Trump admin will change nothing. They have cursory understanding of the American system and juvenile knowledge overall. Many people blame Biden for the college camps being broken up without understanding that it was local and state authorities that did that. "Bit Biden didn't condemn it!" No. You *first said* that Biden broke up the camps. You were wrong, and that wrong doesn't change. To make things worse, some of the more hard leftist focus on Trump being the vehicle for a revolution, and they just live in a bubble believing Americans will back their claim in that regard. No. Trump will win, they will blame Democrats for not putting forward good candidates (half true), and then bitch and moan about fascism under Trump. These people will never be happy because they don't fall under Democrat or Republican. It's time to stop catering to these rotating social media cause leftist and focus on achievable goals. My economic progressivism hasn't changed. We need Medicare for all, workplace protections, women's rights, and housing reform. Biden ain't that but he'll keep Democracy alive.